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Title: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Ricochet on March 30, 2015, 12:52:55 PM
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/collingwood-pair-on-drug-test-20150330-1maznj.html?&utm_source=social&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=nc&eid=socialn:twi-14omn0023-optim-nnn:nonpaid-27/06/2014-social_traffic-all-organicpost-nnn-age-o&campaign_code=nocode&promote_channel=social_twitter

Two Collingwood footballers are understood to have tested positive to a performance enhancing drug.

The Magpie pair, Lachy Keeffe and Josh Thomas, are believed to have tested positive to the presence in samples collected earlier in the year.

If proven the player are facing a lengthy suspension and possible dismissal from the club.

Collingwood chief executive Gary Pert did not return calls from Fairfax Media today but the Magpies are understood to be considering their legal position with regards to the players.

Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Big Mac on March 30, 2015, 12:54:02 PM
Lol
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: SydneyRox on March 30, 2015, 12:56:55 PM
oh dear...
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: elephants on March 30, 2015, 12:59:04 PM
The less we look the less we'll find aha
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: T Dog on March 30, 2015, 12:59:17 PM
It just may be a long season for us Pie supporters  :(
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Jackross10 on March 30, 2015, 01:02:37 PM
Fk sake
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: LF on March 30, 2015, 01:03:07 PM
Well then
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Nige on March 30, 2015, 01:05:21 PM
Tell me more.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: SydneyRox on March 30, 2015, 01:09:21 PM
Tell me more.

Interesting that neither HS or AFL have written anything yet?
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Ricochet on March 30, 2015, 01:10:21 PM
from Patrick Keane

ASADA has notified AFL that Collingwood players Lachlan Keeffe & Josh Thomas have tested positive for presence of a prohibited substance.

The nature of the substance – Clenbuterol - for the failed test requires the two players to be immediately provisionally suspended.

The AFL notes that only the A sample has been tested and the players have the right to request an analysis of their B sample.

The analysis of the B sample is currently scheduled for 14 April 2015. Under the code, players have consented to release of this statement.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Nige on March 30, 2015, 01:13:00 PM
Provisional suspension, ggwp.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Big Mac on March 30, 2015, 01:17:42 PM
Clenbuterol? They're gone then.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: JBs-Hawks on March 30, 2015, 01:17:50 PM
Hahaha clen, theres no dodging that one. They're  gone!
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Nige on March 30, 2015, 01:19:44 PM
ELI5 on Clen?
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Big Mac on March 30, 2015, 01:22:59 PM
ELI5 on Clen?

Steroids - Used (mainly by bodybuilders) to either build muscle quickly or help retain muscle at a very low bodyfat
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Ricochet on March 30, 2015, 01:33:58 PM
annnd this is why we have to be careful making jokes about the Bombers. Drugs are riddled through all clubs and many clubs used supplements programs. Won't be surprised if many more get caught this year
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Big Mac on March 30, 2015, 01:35:44 PM
annnd this is why we have to be careful making jokes about the Bombers. Drugs are riddled through all clubs and many clubs used supplements programs. Won't be surprised if many more get caught this year

They seem to be getting serious about it now
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Nige on March 30, 2015, 01:36:01 PM
ELI5 on Clen?

Steroids - Used (mainly by bodybuilders) to either build muscle quickly or help retain muscle at a very low bodyfat
Ah okay. Yep, good luck to them.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Jukes on March 30, 2015, 01:59:41 PM
Assuming they knew that they were taking it and all that stuff, going to be hard for them to get out of this :/ seeing as clenbuterol is right down the serious end of PEDs.

I'm sure a lot of other players are using stuff like this without being caught tho
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 30, 2015, 02:04:24 PM
Well they both gave permission for their names to be released, so I guess they're going to go down the line of ignorance and say they have no idea how they got it
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: T Dog on March 30, 2015, 02:06:34 PM
Well they both gave permission for their names to be released, so I guess they're going to go down the line of ignorance and say they have no idea how they got it

Did Mick M send them a xmas cake?
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Pkbaldy on March 30, 2015, 02:12:29 PM
Ahhhh oh, spagettio.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Toga on March 30, 2015, 02:20:11 PM
Here we go again. Doesn't look good for them
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: shaker on March 30, 2015, 02:21:36 PM
Pies needed that like a hole in the head
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Ricochet on March 30, 2015, 02:34:46 PM
 :o
(http://i58.tinypic.com/2586m9f.png)
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Mr.Craig on March 30, 2015, 02:36:19 PM
Is it wrong that I immediately thought "This could be good for Nathan Freeman"?

I don't care.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: elephants on March 30, 2015, 02:37:02 PM
Is it wrong that I immediately thought "This could be good for Nathan Freeman"?

I don't care.

I immediately thought "flower my XVs!" #JT :'(
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: silloc on March 30, 2015, 02:37:17 PM
I can't believe the article, they nearly talk it down. Clen is a big deal, and how is it not classified as a PED? WTF ASADA?

Those cows better hope they have asthma
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: JBs-Hawks on March 30, 2015, 02:47:43 PM
Is it wrong that I immediately thought "This could be good for Nathan Freeman"?

I don't care.

I immediately thought "flower my XVs!" #JT :'(

Me too, #Keefe
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Gigantor on March 30, 2015, 02:51:30 PM
I can't wait to hear what his holiness Edward McGuire has to say about this
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Mr.Craig on March 30, 2015, 02:54:27 PM
I can't wait to hear what his holiness Edward McGuire has to say about this

"Something something equalisation".
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on March 30, 2015, 02:56:02 PM
This is obviously the fault of the Sydney Swans Academy. Issac Heeney must've drugged em
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: grange76 on March 30, 2015, 03:17:02 PM
Interesting that comments around Reid going back to play defence instead of forward with Cloke. In hindsight one might think they knew that they would be down a tall down back??

Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Mat0369 on March 30, 2015, 03:21:13 PM
Apparently it can also be found in tainted meat in some countries so if they don't have asthma they better hope they visited one of these countries

There is a press conference from the club in a couple of minutes. I think they are going to play it on Triple M so put it on if you can
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: JBs-Hawks on March 30, 2015, 03:30:11 PM
Interesting that comments around Reid going back to play defence instead of forward with Cloke. In hindsight one might think they knew that they would be down a tall down back??

Or maybe thats just because Reid is a quality defender compared to a mediocre forward.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: JBs-Hawks on March 30, 2015, 03:39:11 PM
Loving the memes already!

(http://i57.tinypic.com/15fkadx.jpg)

(http://i57.tinypic.com/140kb2d.jpg)
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: nrich102 on March 30, 2015, 03:47:20 PM
Join the Hird  ;D
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Rusty00 on March 30, 2015, 03:47:44 PM
Apparently it can also be found in tainted meat in some countries so if they don't have asthma they better hope they visited one of these countries

There is a press conference from the club in a couple of minutes. I think they are going to play it on Triple M so put it on if you can
Which is how Michael Rogers avoided a ban for a positive test of Clenbuterol
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on March 30, 2015, 03:53:30 PM
Apparently it can also be found in tainted meat in some countries so if they don't have asthma they better hope they visited one of these countries

There is a press conference from the club in a couple of minutes. I think they are going to play it on Triple M so put it on if you can
Which is how Michael Rogers avoided a ban for a positive test of Clenbuterol

Its how every single cyclist tries to avoid their drug charge
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Mat0369 on March 30, 2015, 06:57:35 PM
Bucks is on 360 and said it happened while Collingwood were in NZ. Thomas and Keefe shared a room on the trip so they are trying to trace it back to something they might have done in NZ and the players are oblivious to what caused the positive test
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: AFEV on March 30, 2015, 07:12:49 PM
Hope for their sake and the games sake that they were taking the medication for breathing difficulties and not actually doping.

All these bans are the last thing that the league needs after multiple years of the ongoing troubles with Essendon, bad look.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 30, 2015, 07:29:35 PM
Surely it cannot be a coincidence that the only 2 players who did it are the same two that shared a room in NZ...

Does that narrow it down to Room Service or Self Taken?

Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Ricochet on March 30, 2015, 10:33:38 PM
yeah.. steaks

http://m.foxsports.com.au/nrl/reni-maitua-is-on-the-cusp-of-returning-to-the-nrl-with-parramatta-admits-he-took-party-drugs/story-e6frf3ou-1226055784270
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Drak on March 30, 2015, 10:40:36 PM
How is it, that when Essendon story broke. The entire media front of Australia stopped and went in to over drive....


I haven't seen anything but on AFL.com.au


And clen is a real deal italian tour de france winner stripped of all things sporting and banned type of drug. Like... real anabolic steroids.


I had a feeling Essendon was the tip of the iceberg. And I think this runs even deeper. showereth is going to hitteth the fanneth.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Ricochet on March 31, 2015, 09:51:16 AM
so 3 possible reasons

a) they took it knowingly
b) they took a supplement from an unreliable supplier
c) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udNHsk57f24
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Drak on March 31, 2015, 09:51:36 AM
Caroline Wilson to the rescue....



What a twit of a human being
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Drak on March 31, 2015, 09:53:06 AM
so 3 possible reasons

a) they took it knowingly
b) they took a supplement from an unreliable supplier
c) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udNHsk57f24


Hahaha, yeah thats what the word is. There was some clenbuterol in some illegal showere they were getting stuck in to.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on March 31, 2015, 10:49:19 AM
I haven't seen anything but on AFL.com.au

They get forbidden to report about it for a certain period of time when it first arises. It happened with the Essendon thing and the Majak Daw stuff among others
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Samsturmfels on March 31, 2015, 12:47:12 PM
heres the facts we currently have
1) they were tested 3 days after they had returned from NZ
2) they were room mates in NZ
3) they wern't aware that they had taken the drug (according to neil balme)

so in my opinion theres a high chance that it was in a meal they had when they were at NZ
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Nige on March 31, 2015, 12:50:04 PM
Eddie has said if they're guilty, they're sacked.

Link: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-31/guilty-youre-out
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Ricochet on March 31, 2015, 12:50:48 PM
heres the facts we currently have
1) they were tested 3 days after they had returned from NZ
2) they were room mates in NZ
3) they wern't aware that they had taken the drug (according to neil balme)

so in my opinion theres a high chance that it was in a meal they had when they were at NZ
The NZ Beef industry has squashed that theory already.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Ziplock on March 31, 2015, 01:12:40 PM
How is it, that when Essendon story broke. The entire media front of Australia stopped and went in to over drive....


I haven't seen anything but on AFL.com.au


And clen is a real deal italian tour de france winner stripped of all things sporting and banned type of drug. Like... real anabolic steroids.


I had a feeling Essendon was the tip of the iceberg. And I think this runs even deeper. showereth is going to hitteth the fanneth.

 I saw like 4 articles on it last night on afl.com.au, so no idea what you're on about there.

This is completely different to the essendon scenario- this is, at worst, the case of two individuals who've decided to do performance enhancing drugs. The essendon scenario is a potential case of an entire club systematically using banned substances.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on March 31, 2015, 01:58:31 PM
heres the facts we currently have
1) they were tested 3 days after they had returned from NZ
2) they were room mates in NZ
3) they wern't aware that they had taken the drug (according to neil balme)

so in my opinion theres a high chance that it was in a meal they had when they were at NZ
The NZ Beef industry has squashed that theory already.

Can you imagine them ever admitting that there could be steroids in their meat?
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: shaker on March 31, 2015, 05:47:03 PM
Ha ha ha the steak , the steak it was the steak I wonder if any of the other players ate the steak , China and Mexico are the only countries that allow it in there beef or food chain but like someone said it's the cyclist's excuse when they get caught , maybe they will send someone back over to get the steak and have it tested who knows maybe it was a Chinese or Mexican owner that was having it smuggled in on the cheap  :P
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Mr.Craig on March 31, 2015, 06:00:29 PM
https://twitter.com/TonySheahan/status/582736894133301248

"Anabolic steroid #clenbuterol is about to claim another 2 scalps. Two un-identified AFL players could be outed as early as this week."
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Grazz on March 31, 2015, 06:04:59 PM
https://twitter.com/TonySheahan/status/582736894133301248

"Anabolic steroid #clenbuterol is about to claim another 2 scalps. Two un-identified AFL players could be outed as early as this week."

Saw Hickey and Bell posted somewhere, not sure as i haven't seen anything but these two were posted.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Drak on March 31, 2015, 06:06:48 PM
Was in the coke the shared in NZ apparently
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: shaker on March 31, 2015, 06:07:16 PM
https://twitter.com/TonySheahan/status/582736894133301248

"Anabolic steroid #clenbuterol is about to claim another 2 scalps. Two un-identified AFL players could be outed as early as this week."

Saw Hickey and Bell posted somewhere, not sure as i haven't seen anything but these two were posted.

What is going on .... bloody steak
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Mr.Craig on March 31, 2015, 06:13:15 PM
I love snorting a good steak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONyD7Q9Q9xo
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: shaker on March 31, 2015, 06:19:47 PM
Ha ha Homer what a champion
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: T Dog on March 31, 2015, 06:32:49 PM
People who recut and sell recreational drugs must take more care in who they distribute their product to  8)
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Barra13 on March 31, 2015, 07:09:03 PM
heres the facts we currently have
1) they were tested 3 days after they had returned from NZ
2) they were room mates in NZ
3) they wern't aware that they had taken the drug (according to neil balme)

so in my opinion theres a high chance that it was in a meal they had when they were at NZ
The NZ Beef industry has squashed that theory already.

Can you imagine them ever admitting that there could be steroids in their meat?

Can you imagine the players ever admitting that they took steroids?
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on March 31, 2015, 07:27:06 PM
heres the facts we currently have
1) they were tested 3 days after they had returned from NZ
2) they were room mates in NZ
3) they wern't aware that they had taken the drug (according to neil balme)

so in my opinion theres a high chance that it was in a meal they had when they were at NZ
The NZ Beef industry has squashed that theory already.

Can you imagine them ever admitting that there could be steroids in their meat?

Can you imagine the players ever admitting that they took steroids?

2 players is not the same as a national meat industry that feeds 4.471 million people. Which one do you think will get more negative press?
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Mr.Craig on March 31, 2015, 07:36:20 PM
Innocent or guilty, I've always thought there was something a little off about Josh Thomas.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: T Dog on March 31, 2015, 07:41:47 PM
Innocent or guilty, I've always thought there was something a little off about Josh Thomas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua-pNYOKnBM

What?
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: JBs-Hawks on March 31, 2015, 07:44:43 PM
heres the facts we currently have
1) they were tested 3 days after they had returned from NZ
2) they were room mates in NZ
3) they wern't aware that they had taken the drug (according to neil balme)

so in my opinion theres a high chance that it was in a meal they had when they were at NZ
The NZ Beef industry has squashed that theory already.

Can you imagine them ever admitting that there could be steroids in their meat?

Can you imagine the players ever admitting that they took steroids?

2 players is not the same as a national meat industry that feeds 4.471 million people. Which one do you think will get more negative press?

The 2 playes got caught with clen in there system.

The meat industry hasnt.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on March 31, 2015, 07:50:04 PM
heres the facts we currently have
1) they were tested 3 days after they had returned from NZ
2) they were room mates in NZ
3) they wern't aware that they had taken the drug (according to neil balme)

so in my opinion theres a high chance that it was in a meal they had when they were at NZ
The NZ Beef industry has squashed that theory already.

Can you imagine them ever admitting that there could be steroids in their meat?

Can you imagine the players ever admitting that they took steroids?

2 players is not the same as a national meat industry that feeds 4.471 million people. Which one do you think will get more negative press?

The 2 playes got caught with clen in there system.

The meat industry hasnt.

Yeah they got caught. Clenbuterol is still available as a animal health product in New Zealand though and can be used for cattle, so really its just a PR statement than the truth
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Grazz on March 31, 2015, 08:20:44 PM
NZ use it for horses only i think mate.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on March 31, 2015, 08:27:32 PM
NZ use it for horses only i think mate.

To my knowledge, Planipart solution (used on sheep and cattle which contains clenb.) is readily available in New Zealand and Australia

http://www.drugs.com/international/planipart.html
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Grazz on March 31, 2015, 08:36:37 PM
NZ use it for horses only i think mate.

To my knowledge, Planipart solution (used on sheep and cattle which contains clenb.) is readily available in New Zealand and Australia

http://www.drugs.com/international/planipart.html

While clenbuterol is used in livestock in some countries, New Zealand beef industry association chairman Bill Falconer was adamant that was not the case in his country.

"Clenbuterol is not present in the Australian food chain. It is not present in the New Zealand food chain, it has occurred in China and Mexico but it is not an issue here," Ings told 3AW. ;D

"It's a veterinary drug in Australia, it's a veterinary drug in New Zealand; it's only approved for use in racehorses.

Quotes from this article  http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-31/kiwis-beef-over-clenbuterol
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on March 31, 2015, 08:47:43 PM
NZ use it for horses only i think mate.

To my knowledge, Planipart solution (used on sheep and cattle which contains clenb.) is readily available in New Zealand and Australia

http://www.drugs.com/international/planipart.html

While clenbuterol is used in livestock in some countries, New Zealand beef industry association chairman Bill Falconer was adamant that was not the case in his country.

"Clenbuterol is not present in the Australian food chain. It is not present in the New Zealand food chain, it has occurred in China and Mexico but it is not an issue here," Ings told 3AW. ;D

"It's a veterinary drug in Australia, it's a veterinary drug in New Zealand; it's only approved for use in racehorses.

Quotes from this article  http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-31/kiwis-beef-over-clenbuterol

Yeah, and he lied.

http://www.infopest.com.au/extra/asp/infopest/nra/labels.asp?prodcode=35963&LabelType=L
http://www.petceutics.com.au/planipart-inj.html
http://www.boehringer-ingelheim.com.au/our_business/animal_health/products_new_zealand.html
http://www.sciquest.org.nz/node/35407

All that is required is a basic veterinary prescription in some cases (probably not even that). These are all within the last 10 years as well.

What he was referring to was in China where people were hospitalized due to clenbuterol residue poisoning in pigs
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Grazz on March 31, 2015, 08:58:17 PM
Im comfortable it isn't in beef cattle going to market in NZ tbh.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on March 31, 2015, 09:01:34 PM
Quite possibly, but he glosses over the fact that it is legal and used on cattle in New Zealand and uses irrelevant cases in China to divert attention.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: frenzy on March 31, 2015, 09:29:06 PM
there ya go ASADA, see if you can botch this one as well.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: shaker on April 01, 2015, 10:47:39 AM
Quite possibly, but he glosses over the fact that it is legal and used on cattle in New Zealand and uses irrelevant cases in China to divert attention.

It is probably used by vets for individual animals but not administered to the whole of the cattle industry like in China and Mexico
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: silloc on April 01, 2015, 01:14:09 PM
heres the facts we currently have
1) they were tested 3 days after they had returned from NZ
2) they were room mates in NZ
3) they wern't aware that they had taken the drug (according to neil balme)

so in my opinion theres a high chance that it was in a meal they had when they were at NZ
The NZ Beef industry has squashed that theory already.

Can you imagine them ever admitting that there could be steroids in their meat?

Can you imagine the players ever admitting that they took steroids?

2 players is not the same as a national meat industry that feeds 4.471 million people. Which one do you think will get more negative press?

Considering all the professional sports people from New Zealand have never had a problem, I think it's safe to safe that theory is bullshower
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Gigantor on April 01, 2015, 01:37:36 PM
heres the facts we currently have
1) they were tested 3 days after they had returned from NZ
2) they were room mates in NZ
3) they wern't aware that they had taken the drug (according to neil balme)

so in my opinion theres a high chance that it was in a meal they had when they were at NZ
The NZ Beef industry has squashed that theory already.

Can you imagine them ever admitting that there could be steroids in their meat?

Can you imagine the players ever admitting that they took steroids?

2 players is not the same as a national meat industry that feeds 4.471 million people. Which one do you think will get more negative press?

Considering all the professional sports people from New Zealand have never had a problem, I think it's safe to safe that theory is bullshower
+1
The Kiwi cricket team sure as hell wasn't on anything performance enhancing on the weekend :)
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Ziplock on April 01, 2015, 05:29:42 PM
heres the facts we currently have
1) they were tested 3 days after they had returned from NZ
2) they were room mates in NZ
3) they wern't aware that they had taken the drug (according to neil balme)

so in my opinion theres a high chance that it was in a meal they had when they were at NZ
The NZ Beef industry has squashed that theory already.

Can you imagine them ever admitting that there could be steroids in their meat?

Can you imagine the players ever admitting that they took steroids?

2 players is not the same as a national meat industry that feeds 4.471 million people. Which one do you think will get more negative press?

Considering all the professional sports people from New Zealand have never had a problem, I think it's safe to safe that theory is bullshower
+1
The Kiwi cricket team sure as hell wasn't on anything performance enhancing on the weekend :)

unless they ate somewhere which got it's meat on the sly from some small farmer who was roiding up their beef, it's pretty unlikely.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Ricochet on April 08, 2015, 08:06:00 PM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/lachie-keeffe-josh-thomas-summoned-to-face-asada/story-fni5f6hd-1227296161646?utm_content=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=EditorialSF&utm_source=HeraldSun&utm_medium=Twitter

COLLINGWOOD players Lachie Keeffe and Josh Thomas will plead their case with ASADA on Monday ahead of the testing of their B samples the following day
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Mat0369 on April 08, 2015, 08:19:30 PM
I was having a think about something relating to this. If they did happen to snort something laced with clenbuterol I think I know a way they could potentially get off. Wes Welker was busted in the NFL for taking an amphetamine which fell under the PED instead of substance abuse code. He claimed someone spiked his drink resulting in him testing positive to what he thought was Molly (ended up being Adderall which is also a banned substance). Eventually the NFL was in the middle of reviewing their drug code and his suspension was lifted from performance enhancing to substance abuse which saw the suspension decreased.

So this brings me to my point, if Thomas and Keefe did take a bad batch of coke, they can claim someone spiked their drinks and then prove that is what caused the positive test though a hair sample. Hair testing can show what was in their system for months and if cocaine or whatever it was they took shows up it will help corroborate the story. I doubt anyone will fall for it, but it might be the only thing that saves them.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Ricochet on April 15, 2015, 10:13:31 PM
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/collingwood-pair-lachie-keeffe-and-josh-thomas-will-be-spared-maximum-four-year-drugs-bans/story-e6frf3e3-1227305369940

COLLINGWOOD pair Lachie Keeffe and Josh Thomas will avoid four-year bans and will be able to select the most beneficial clauses from two versions of the AFL Anti-Doping Code.

The pair, who tested positive to the banned drug Clenbuterol, could know the results of “B” samples as soon as Friday.

Should those samples also come back positive, the players are certain to be charged by the AFL and will face a tribunal hearing.

But the Herald Sun understands they will be spared a maximum four-year suspension prescribed in the 2015 AFL Anti-Doping Code.

That document — although dated January 1 — was not published until after their positive samples were taken in February.

It is now in force, however, and the principle of Lex Mitior will apply to any prosecution.

It means, effectively, that any negative effect of the 2015 code is ruled out but any beneficial application of new clauses or wording can be used to help them.

The AFL had earlier indicated four-year bans were on the table, but it is now accepted the maximum applicable ban is two years.

Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: sidvicious on April 22, 2015, 12:01:15 PM
Media has gone very quiet on this
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Capper on April 22, 2015, 02:59:30 PM
Media has gone very quiet on this
was thinking the same thing
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Samsturmfels on May 02, 2015, 05:02:40 PM
When do we find out the results??
I would love to have  Thomas and Keefe back
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Nige on May 22, 2015, 10:05:21 PM
The B samples have tested positive, these boys are in real trouble.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on May 22, 2015, 10:06:05 PM
#sidebyside
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Ricochet on May 23, 2015, 10:04:47 AM
Well thats 2 years bans surely.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Nige on May 23, 2015, 10:13:07 AM
Well thats 2 years bans surely.
Josh Thomas is a decent footballer, he may get a second chance.

Can't imagine Lachlan Keeffe having the same luck, his career is probably over.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: sidvicious on August 10, 2015, 11:26:16 AM
Two year ban De-listed and fined 50K each
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/collingwoods-josh-thomas-lachie-keeffe-accept-two-year-bans-for-taking-banned-drug-clenbuterol/story-fni5f6hd-1227477105462
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Grazz on August 10, 2015, 12:28:27 PM
Two year ban De-listed and fined 50K each
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/collingwoods-josh-thomas-lachie-keeffe-accept-two-year-bans-for-taking-banned-drug-clenbuterol/story-fni5f6hd-1227477105462

Pie's really sending a message to their list with 50k fines for the two young blokes charged, good on them. Will help other clubs with young blokes seeing that, they may start to think twice about risking it.
Hope the two Pie's can sort themselves over the ban and gain a second chance and still have an AFL career to be proud of.
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Capper on August 10, 2015, 01:13:21 PM
So they are de-listed, if they come back in to the comp, are they already on strike 1 after admitting to taking illicit drugs?
Title: Re: Collingwood pair on drug test
Post by: Grazz on August 11, 2015, 12:22:39 AM
So they are de-listed, if they come back in to the comp, are they already on strike 1 after admitting to taking illicit drugs?

No because they were caught for a performance enhancing substance no strike will be recorded against them for an Illicit Drug even though they have admitted to it in saying it was in an Illicit drug they took. Pretty good drug policy the AFL have, the sooner it's toughened up the better.