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Title: Adam Treloar
Post by: sidvicious on August 09, 2015, 10:57:04 AM
Why are all the media reporting that Treloar is sure to come to Collingwood ? Can anyone explain what connection he has to the club if any? Also the same question on Aish surly he would be more likely to go back to S.A
Title: Re: Adem Treloar
Post by: Holz on August 09, 2015, 11:24:42 AM
Why are all the media reporting that Treloar is sure to come to Collingwood ? Can anyone explain what connection he has to the club if any? Also the same question on Aish surly he would be more likely to go back to S.A

I think its more to do with the fact they have the cap space to get him. Have a young team with lots of upside but can provide him more of a staring role than GWS can with their loads of talent (and also more money and of course its Victoria). They are also highly pursuing him.

North probably isnt as good a fit, carlton essendon no way, dogs probably have enough mid talent they need to keep and are paying boyd. Richmond is the second best fit. Hawks wouldnt have the space for him and Geelong are going after Danger and Selwood.
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Spite on August 09, 2015, 06:59:00 PM
Think he wants to come back to Vic. We also have Taylor Adams, not sure if they are friends but you'd think so. I've thought him coming to us was a lock a while ago and when I heard the new rules on draft picks, I'm even more confident he will be in the black and white next year.
Aish to Carlton has been a rumour for over a month now. Apparently he wants to go to a big club in the heart of AFL
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: _wato on August 09, 2015, 07:06:37 PM
I DONT WANT MORE MIDS BECAUSE WE HAVE ENOUGH OF THEM (Pendles, Swan, Sidey, Greenwood, Adams, Crisp, De Goey, Caff, Freeman, Karny etc) in saying that though, wouldn't say no to Treloar, but he's the wrong coop because we will pay overs for what we really need and that is a A GUN KEY POWER FORWARD and then I'll be happy
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Spite on August 09, 2015, 07:43:52 PM
I DONT WANT MORE MIDS BECAUSE WE HAVE ENOUGH OF THEM (Pendles, Swan, Sidey, Greenwood, Adams, Crisp, De Goey, Caff, Freeman, Karny etc) in saying that though, wouldn't say no to Treloar, but he's the wrong coop because we will pay overs for what we really need and that is a A GUN KEY POWER FORWARD and then I'll be happy

We don't have many treloar type midfielders though - being those that can actually kick well and hit targets. Adams, Greenwood, Swan all have average (too below avg) disposal.

Swan won't last forever though and Treloar is 22. From our list it would seem that our midfield isn't as deep as you think. Pendles, Swan, Adams, Crisp, De Goey and Caff should get a regular gig in the guts but that is only 6 people which isn't very many.
Freeman is quite a long way off I think and I am hoping he comes good but who knows. We can't reserve a midfielder spot for him incase he turns out to be a flop.

Karny is meant to be some sort of tall midfielder/forward but I'm not sure what his role would be in the team, guess we will see soon as I assume he will come in shortly after dominating the VFL this week.

Ben Kennedy is trade fodder or delist worthy unfortunately. He had a good second half on the weekend, but unfortunately, we just don't need him. Blair does the same things and he's a little more consistent.

If Seeds is indeed traded to Brisbane, that frees up a spot too. Our mids aren't actually that deep.

I agree on the key forward but with Cloke, Reid and Moore, I'm not so sure what the point would be. Where would be play Reid? Should we just trade him? We can't play him back now, did you see how good Marsh is?! We'd be forcing Marsh to another team if we did that. Goldy also would be questioning his worth to the team if we played Reid with Frost and Brown.

We have got quite a bunch of really good youth down back, I'm really happy how they are all learning and progressing as a unit. Getting an extra gun mid will add a huge amount to our team, especially if the forward delivery gets better because of this.
We have faz and Elliot who are both competent - yet confidence based small forwards so besides gathering experience and improving as a team, there isn't much to do in this trade period except for getting a gun mid.

Of course all this is my opinion, I could be way off!
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: meow meow on August 09, 2015, 08:12:31 PM
^ you forgot Sidebottom
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Holz on August 09, 2015, 08:49:24 PM
I DONT WANT MORE MIDS BECAUSE WE HAVE ENOUGH OF THEM (Pendles, Swan, Sidey, Greenwood, Adams, Crisp, De Goey, Caff, Freeman, Karny etc) in saying that though, wouldn't say no to Treloar, but he's the wrong coop because we will pay overs for what we really need and that is a A GUN KEY POWER FORWARD and then I'll be happy

Treloar is better than all of them bar Pendles and would be your second best player on your team at age 22. who wouldnt want that. the only team that could afford to lose a treloar quality player is GWS.
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Spite on August 09, 2015, 09:36:33 PM
^ you forgot Sidebottom

Good call. He can be used on the half back, forward flank or wing so he's versatile in our team. Adams sucks as a forward so he has to be a perma-mid.
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: _wato on August 09, 2015, 10:26:11 PM
Disagree that Treloar would be our second best player - I rate Sidebottom and Swan (at his current age) over him, albeit different players

What I'm really getting at is that you can have an unreal midfield, but unless there's a good team surrounding them and targets to kick too, they're useless!! Brisbane are the perfect example - Rocky, Beams, Redden, Rich, Hanley, Zorko, Christensen, Stef Martin is an unbelievable midfield but they're hopeless because their forward 6 just can't formulate enough goals! And this is exactly our problem at the moment, because our midfield and back 6 are doing a power of work but in recent weeks have been getting no reward from it. We've constantly had more inside 50's, CP's, tackles etc but Cloke has been useless, White is no good and Grundy/Witts isn't the third tall/ruck value that Hawthorn/NM get each week, Fas/Jamie/Blair have their games but are too stretched apart and Ben Reid is made out of something very very soft! I agree that Darcy Moore is the future and that Reid is a gun when playing but our window is in the next 4/5 years and as good as Treloar would be, I don't think he is the solution.

Jack Riewoldt is out of contract next year, so why not throw a 4/5 year multi million dollar deal at him? JRoo and Cloke with Reid/Frost/Brown down back looks better than Cloke/Reid and Frost/Brown/Goldsack (as our third defender)
Understand that Treloar would be a huge get as he will be a gun and you could argue that he already is, but I don't know about it..

Elliot, Cloke, Fasolo
Sidebottom, Reid, Blair
Crisp, Treloar, Adams
Langdon, Brown, Williams
Toovey, Frost, Goldsack
Grundy, Pendlebury, Swan
Insert 4 bench players

Edit: guess it does look like a much better team, hahahaha
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Big Mac on August 10, 2015, 05:03:54 PM
Sorry Wato, JRoo contracted until end of 2019

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-star-jack-riewoldt-signs-new-longterm-contract-with-tigers-20150630-gi1mtf.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-star-jack-riewoldt-signs-new-longterm-contract-with-tigers-20150630-gi1mtf.html)

And you can keep your hands off Hogan!
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Ricochet on August 10, 2015, 05:26:20 PM
Key forward? Just play Gault ;)
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: T Dog on August 10, 2015, 06:28:42 PM
Key forward? Just play Gault ;)

Key forward? Just play Gault ;)   Nah....Just get Dangerfield   8)
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: MC on August 11, 2015, 10:34:12 PM
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/collingwood-is-hopeful-of-securing-adam-treloar-and-james-aish-during-afl-trade-period/story-e6frf3e3-1227479263831


This is interesting  8)

What do you think gets each deal done?
2015 and 2016 first picks for Treloar?
2015 2nd pick + seedy for Aish? Or do we need to give up more given how we went with the Beams deal? :P
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: nrich102 on August 12, 2015, 06:29:14 AM
That's not going to happen.
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Nige on August 12, 2015, 09:35:02 AM
Surely the midfield is the one place you don't need to add players to?  :P
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: T Dog on August 12, 2015, 09:50:46 AM
Surely the midfield is the one place you don't need to add players to?  :P

Quite right Nige. JRoo could be handy   :)
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: elephants on August 12, 2015, 10:58:56 AM
I overrate Seedsman I think but I reckon he has the tools to be elite.
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: meow meow on August 12, 2015, 11:14:43 AM
I overrate Seedsman I think but I reckon he has the tools to be elite.

His defensive game is atrocious. Collingwood are a highly defensive team and Bucks won't stand for his lapses in concentration/ability to stick to the gameplan.
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: elephants on August 12, 2015, 11:21:36 AM
I overrate Seedsman I think but I reckon he has the tools to be elite.

His defensive game is atrocious. Collingwood are a highly defensive team and Bucks won't stand for his lapses in concentration/ability to stick to the gameplan.

Oh, I agree. But his attacking attributes could benefit a team who believe his attacking assets outweigh his defensive deficiencies or who have players that can cover Seedsman's defensive flaws.
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Toga on August 12, 2015, 12:21:48 PM
Surely the midfield is the one place you don't need to add players to?  :P

Quite right Nige. JRoo could be handy   :)

Lol, dreaming :P
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Spite on August 12, 2015, 01:06:57 PM
Treloar is enough for me... wouldn't mind Aish but he'd be squeezing someone else out.

Treloar for first round pick this year and a second round pick next year + sweetener?
Aish for a first round pick next season + seeds or a second round pick next year will probably get it done.

Bennedy should be traded for a second rounder so that may ease some trading issues
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Big Mac on August 12, 2015, 02:01:25 PM
Don't think Aish is worth it imo

Hasn't done enough to justify the (likely) high asking price
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: MC on August 12, 2015, 03:02:06 PM
Treloar is enough for me... wouldn't mind Aish but he'd be squeezing someone else out.

Treloar for first round pick this year and a second round pick next year + sweetener?
Aish for a first round pick next season + seeds or a second round pick next year will probably get it done.

Bennedy should be traded for a second rounder so that may ease some trading issues

Ben Kennedy was drafted at #19 and certainly hasn't done anything to drop in value, surely? He's played well when given the opportunity, and would be a ready-made asset after his 25-odd games of AFL experience. Probably worth more than a mere 2nd-rounder in such a shallow draft? Could be used (similar to Crisp) to sweeten a deal with Brisbane or another club perhaps, but I can't see them offloading him for (effectively) nothing. He is also contracted until the end of 2016, having just recently signed an extension.

He's from SA originally, straight swap for Danger? 8)
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Spite on August 12, 2015, 03:08:05 PM
Treloar is enough for me... wouldn't mind Aish but he'd be squeezing someone else out.

Treloar for first round pick this year and a second round pick next year + sweetener?
Aish for a first round pick next season + seeds or a second round pick next year will probably get it done.

Bennedy should be traded for a second rounder so that may ease some trading issues

Ben Kennedy was drafted at #19 and certainly hasn't done anything to drop in value, surely? He's played well when given the opportunity, and would be a ready-made asset after his 25-odd games of AFL experience. Probably worth more than a mere 2nd-rounder in such a shallow draft? Could be used (similar to Crisp) to sweeten a deal with Brisbane or another club perhaps, but I can't see them offloading him for (effectively) nothing. He is also contracted until the end of 2016, having just recently signed an extension.

He's from SA originally, straight swap for Danger? 8)

He hasn't maintained his exact value so even if it was a little drop in value that pushes him in to the second round, which is what I was saying? He definitely has not played so well when given the chances, that's why he keeps getting dropped!! I would love to get rid of him now before he definitely drops in value, we don't need any more small mids/forwards so sell him while we can imo.
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Toga on August 12, 2015, 03:19:30 PM
The problem I see with Bennedy is he hasn't been allowed to have any continuity with his chances so far - he's played near 50% of his games starting as the sub (limiting the impact he can have on games) and then is often dropped the week after because of this lack of ability to impact the game. I think give him a bit of continuity and you might be surprised at just what he could be able to do.

That being said, you guys have a lot of players like him, so he might be best to seek opportunity elsewhere. I'm a big fan so certainly hoping he does get a chance whether it be at Collingwood or at another team!
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Ziplock on August 12, 2015, 03:35:53 PM
Treloar is enough for me... wouldn't mind Aish but he'd be squeezing someone else out.

Treloar for first round pick this year and a second round pick next year + sweetener?
Aish for a first round pick next season + seeds or a second round pick next year will probably get it done.

Bennedy should be traded for a second rounder so that may ease some trading issues

eh, I dunno if that'd get it done.

like, if the giants had no other choice... but they could play hardball.
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Spite on August 12, 2015, 05:59:49 PM
Treloar is enough for me... wouldn't mind Aish but he'd be squeezing someone else out.

Treloar for first round pick this year and a second round pick next year + sweetener?
Aish for a first round pick next season + seeds or a second round pick next year will probably get it done.

Bennedy should be traded for a second rounder so that may ease some trading issues

eh, I dunno if that'd get it done.

like, if the giants had no other choice... but they could play hardball.

So first and second rounder and sweetener is a no go? I'm sure that's all we will trade man. Beams was worth roughly that and treloar is not that different, especially if he doesn't want to play at the club at all costs next year. Tbh I'd rather let him walk into the draft than offer overs... don't think others could afford to take him salary wise and also it's waste of a pick on someone who will walk when that 2 year contract is done. Pies and GWS have a pretty good trading history and I'm sure it'll get done easily though, just think GWS fans will be a little disappointed.
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Big Mac on August 12, 2015, 06:28:21 PM
Treloar is enough for me... wouldn't mind Aish but he'd be squeezing someone else out.

Treloar for first round pick this year and a second round pick next year + sweetener?
Aish for a first round pick next season + seeds or a second round pick next year will probably get it done.

Bennedy should be traded for a second rounder so that may ease some trading issues

eh, I dunno if that'd get it done.

like, if the giants had no other choice... but they could play hardball.

So first and second rounder and sweetener is a no go? I'm sure that's all we will trade man. Beams was worth roughly that and treloar is not that different, especially if he doesn't want to play at the club at all costs next year. Tbh I'd rather let him walk into the draft than offer overs... don't think others could afford to take him salary wise and also it's waste of a pick on someone who will walk when that 2 year contract is done. Pies and GWS have a pretty good trading history and I'm sure it'll get done easily though, just think GWS fans will be a little disappointed.

Can't figure out how this could possibly be the case

Beams and Treloar are 2 very different situations imo
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Ziplock on August 12, 2015, 07:26:51 PM
Treloar is enough for me... wouldn't mind Aish but he'd be squeezing someone else out.

Treloar for first round pick this year and a second round pick next year + sweetener?
Aish for a first round pick next season + seeds or a second round pick next year will probably get it done.

Bennedy should be traded for a second rounder so that may ease some trading issues

eh, I dunno if that'd get it done.

like, if the giants had no other choice... but they could play hardball.

So first and second rounder and sweetener is a no go? I'm sure that's all we will trade man. Beams was worth roughly that and treloar is not that different, especially if he doesn't want to play at the club at all costs next year. Tbh I'd rather let him walk into the draft than offer overs... don't think others could afford to take him salary wise and also it's waste of a pick on someone who will walk when that 2 year contract is done. Pies and GWS have a pretty good trading history and I'm sure it'll get done easily though, just think GWS fans will be a little disappointed.

It depended what the sweetener was?

I suppose it rests on how highly GWS rate the draft this year/ next year.
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Spite on August 12, 2015, 07:48:11 PM
Treloar is enough for me... wouldn't mind Aish but he'd be squeezing someone else out.

Treloar for first round pick this year and a second round pick next year + sweetener?
Aish for a first round pick next season + seeds or a second round pick next year will probably get it done.

Bennedy should be traded for a second rounder so that may ease some trading issues

eh, I dunno if that'd get it done.

like, if the giants had no other choice... but they could play hardball.

So first and second rounder and sweetener is a no go? I'm sure that's all we will trade man. Beams was worth roughly that and treloar is not that different, especially if he doesn't want to play at the club at all costs next year. Tbh I'd rather let him walk into the draft than offer overs... don't think others could afford to take him salary wise and also it's waste of a pick on someone who will walk when that 2 year contract is done. Pies and GWS have a pretty good trading history and I'm sure it'll get done easily though, just think GWS fans will be a little disappointed.

Can't figure out how this could possibly be the case

Beams and Treloar are 2 very different situations imo

Why are they that different? Treloar is just being more tactful about it. He wants to come home to Vic and that's that. The club isn't going to hold him "hostage" there. Just like we didn't hold Beams "hostage". Beams wanted to go home - albeit wouldn't just come out and say it and made up excuses.
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Holz on August 13, 2015, 08:57:25 AM
I overrate Seedsman I think but I reckon he has the tools to be elite.

His defensive game is atrocious. Collingwood are a highly defensive team and Bucks won't stand for his lapses in concentration/ability to stick to the gameplan.

Oh, I agree. But his attacking attributes could benefit a team who believe his attacking assets outweigh his defensive deficiencies or who have players that can cover Seedsman's defensive flaws.

Depends who he is pushing out though, If its shaz than I just see him as a better option all round.
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: _wato on August 13, 2015, 09:10:08 AM
Seedsman > Scharenberg you're saying Holz?
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Holz on August 13, 2015, 09:29:12 AM
Seedsman > Scharenberg you're saying Holz?

depends what your trying to say.

Shaz is greater then (>) seeds as i love shaz

but replace (>) seeds with shaz than I agree with that.
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: MC on August 13, 2015, 10:02:35 AM
Yeah Seedy seems superfluous now given the depth of our run and carry defenders. May as well trade him and get some solid return - casually play an ANZAC day replay during the negotiations and Bob's your uncle!

Langdon, Ox, Marsh, Marley, Shaz and even Maynard are ahead of him seemingly at the moment.
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Spite on August 13, 2015, 02:12:35 PM
Yeah Seedy seems superfluous now given the depth of our run and carry defenders. May as well trade him and get some solid return - casually play an ANZAC day replay during the negotiations and Bob's your uncle!

Langdon, Ox, Marsh, Marley, Shaz and even Maynard are ahead of him seemingly at the moment.

Don't forget the Pharoah (Ramsey) and Sinclair!
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Samsturmfels on August 19, 2015, 09:51:20 PM
Is there any point trying to get both Treloar + Aish?? We should just get Treloar then aim for a kkp such as Sam Reid, James stewart, Aaron Black (dont want him),

Id also suggest to the pies to continue to raid gws. There depth is massive
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Ziplock on August 19, 2015, 09:57:06 PM
Is there any point trying to get both Treloar + Aish?? We should just get Treloar then aim for a kkp such as Sam Reid, James stewart, Aaron Black (dont want him),

Id also suggest to the pies to continue to raid gws. There depth is massive

Most of GWS is still signed though.

I agree though, I'd go for a KPP rather than Aish.
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Spite on August 20, 2015, 02:48:00 PM
Agree with both of you. Lets do Treloar as priority. Why do we need Aish? I would take him if we could get Treloar and Aish if we don't lose a decent player in the process but I can't see that happening.
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: MC on August 20, 2015, 03:12:59 PM
Aish is another one who wouldn't necessarily improve our team. Depending on what we lose to get him though I guess. Shaz apparently might walk, though he's an SA boy I think.
If he's struggled to get a gig at Brisbane this year his value HAS dropped, contrary to the belief of the Lions management. If they held him back knowing that he'd walk it might be another story though.
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Barra13 on August 27, 2015, 11:17:02 AM
SEN reporting Treloar has chosen the Tigers.
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Spite on August 27, 2015, 12:15:40 PM
SEN reporting Treloar has chosen the Tigers.

Because KB said Treloar has chosen Tigers! But he's not biased at all... right? right? I'm not worried yet!  8)  :D
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Nige on August 27, 2015, 01:05:07 PM
Enjoy your Aish.  :P
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: powersuperkents on September 18, 2015, 11:41:21 PM
Aish could be set for Collingwood. Seedsman apparently wants a move (Collingwood could package the runner with a 2nd round pick and lock Aish away I think)
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Spite on September 19, 2015, 02:26:42 PM
Aish could be set for Collingwood. Seedsman apparently wants a move (Collingwood could package the runner with a 2nd round pick and lock Aish away I think)

Would be perfect. Allows our first round pick to move and a pick from next season for Treloar. Would be stoked with that result, especially after re-signing Shaz
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: T Dog on September 20, 2015, 06:42:25 PM
Treloar on one wing; Sidey / Pendles on the other.....noice   ;D
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: sidvicious on October 14, 2015, 07:11:18 PM
Two first round picks way too much
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Big Mac on October 14, 2015, 07:16:47 PM
Two first round picks way too much

A bird in the hand or 2 in the bush....
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: meow meow on October 14, 2015, 07:20:35 PM
Two first round picks way too much

Not really. Treloar would go at pick 1 if he was in the draft and the majority of clubs would give up picks 7 and 10 to get a number 1 draft pick. GWS offered picks 5 and 6 to St Kilda for the number one draft pick last year and the Giants got knocked back. Top end talent that has already gotten the showerty development years out the way is easily worth it.
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: T Dog on October 14, 2015, 07:28:12 PM
Treloar, Aish, Howe...Noice  :)
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: sidvicious on October 14, 2015, 07:42:46 PM
Two first round picks way too much

A bird in the hand or 2 in the bush....
I like Bush
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on October 14, 2015, 07:57:35 PM
Two first round picks way too much

A bird in the hand or 2 in the bush....
I like Bush
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Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: T Dog on October 14, 2015, 08:00:53 PM
That's just not right   >:(
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: powersuperkents on October 14, 2015, 08:04:30 PM
Just nut up and give GWS both first round picks Collingwood (I would be over the moon if Port were in that position).

He's a gun and you recently recruited Moore, De Goey, Maynard & Scharenberg (Goodyear is promising as well)

What's there to lose? - remember Broomhead & Grundy were recent picks as well

Plus Treloar is young...
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: T Dog on October 14, 2015, 08:07:06 PM
Just nut up and give GWS both first round picks Collingwood (I would be over the moon if Port were in that position).

He's a gun and you recently recruited Moore, De Goey, Maynard & Scharenberg (Goodyear is promising as well)

What's there to lose? - remember Broomhead & Grundy were recent picks as well

Plus Treloar is young...

Just need a little something to get it done....Rocky?   ;D
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: tbagrocks on October 14, 2015, 08:19:22 PM
I swear GWS are flowering stupid

Yes I said it two, three and four years ago! Why hoard draft picks? Why not get ALL the bigger, older bodies you can scrape? (No not Stevie J, too flowering old ::) )

flower me, they still don't get it up thee and all the high picked kids are leaving now ::)

Was I wrong or was I correct? ;)
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: T Dog on October 14, 2015, 08:26:05 PM
I swear GWS are flowering stupid

Yes I said it two, three and four years ago! Why hoard draft picks? Why not get ALL the bigger, older bodies you can scrape? (No not Stevie J, too flowering old ::) )

flower me, they still don't get it up thee and all the high picked kids are leaving now ::)

Was I wrong or was I correct? ;)

Yes you were mate   ::)
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: powersuperkents on October 14, 2015, 08:50:50 PM
I swear GWS are flowering stupid

Yes I said it two, three and four years ago! Why hoard draft picks? Why not get ALL the bigger, older bodies you can scrape? (No not Stevie J, too flowering old ::) )

flower me, they still don't get it up thee and all the high picked kids are leaving now ::)

Was I wrong or was I correct? ;)
Losing Treloar is big, but remember they have been in demand by older experienced players (Mumford, Shaw, Patfull, & Griffen) and they have young ACT-based talent (who are more promising than Treloar was in his junior years - not comparing them though because Treloar elite) coming through with Kennedy & Hopper and even more next season. Academy players will be more loyal and I see losing Treloar being bad in the short-term, but the Giants can easily replace him in the long-term (he's a gun, but at the end of the day midfielders grow on trees and the club has done well to secure the irreplaceable players - i.e. Jezza Cameron etc. - I think McCarthy is just immature and will stay at the Giants by the time his current contract is served as well).

I think in terms of their list in the long-term, they will be fine as long as Jeremy Cameron stays (and he's signed for like the next 7 years - at approx. $1mil per season as well..)
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: elephants on October 15, 2015, 12:25:36 PM
I swear GWS are flowering stupid

Yes I said it two, three and four years ago! Why hoard draft picks? Why not get ALL the bigger, older bodies you can scrape? (No not Stevie J, too flowering old ::) )

flower me, they still don't get it up thee and all the high picked kids are leaving now ::)

Was I wrong or was I correct? ;)

I can't even begin to explain how wrong you are
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: fanTCfool on October 15, 2015, 09:48:03 PM
What are Collingwood wanting this Trade Period?

In: Treloar, Aish, Howe
Out: Seeds, Freeman

How can all this fit in a salary cap?
Treloar & Howe will want a fair slab, and we know Aish is a little financially orientated, something has got to give?
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Grazz on October 15, 2015, 09:56:45 PM
What are Collingwood wanting this Trade Period?

In: Treloar, Aish, Howe
Out: Seeds, Freeman

How can all this fit in a salary cap?
Treloar & Howe will want a fair slab, and we know Aish is a little financially orientated, something has got to give?

Backended contracts do wonders in these situations.
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: _wato on October 15, 2015, 10:24:08 PM
What are Collingwood wanting this Trade Period?

In: Treloar, Aish, Howe
Out: Seeds, Freeman

How can all this fit in a salary cap?
Treloar & Howe will want a fair slab, and we know Aish is a little financially orientated, something has got to give?

Nothing has to give. Pendles, Cloke and Swan are the only three on our list that I currently foresee demanding over $600-700k per year, with a lot of our players currently on the list earning anything from between $200-600k, with many at that base/mid value. If you take a good hard look at our list, you will see that we fail in comparison to many other teams in terms of having genuine 'superstars' that require the money to keep on the team, and that a lot of our players are talent in terms of youth which means minimal expenditure, or players who have come across from opposition teams such as Varcoe and Greenwood who would be on $300-500k per year as an example.

Take a look at Hawthorn and ask that question mate, because if you think for one second that Collingwood has to give something up for a star, a highlights reel and a current wannabe, you must be highly delusional.
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: powersuperkents on October 15, 2015, 11:05:34 PM
What are Collingwood wanting this Trade Period?

In: Treloar, Aish, Howe
Out: Seeds, Freeman

How can all this fit in a salary cap?
Treloar & Howe will want a fair slab, and we know Aish is a little financially orientated, something has got to give?

Nothing has to give. Pendles, Cloke and Swan are the only three on our list that I currently foresee demanding over $600-700k per year, with a lot of our players currently on the list earning anything from between $200-600k, with many at that base/mid value. If you take a good hard look at our list, you will see that we fail in comparison to many other teams in terms of having genuine 'superstars' that require the money to keep on the team, and that a lot of our players are talent in terms of youth which means minimal expenditure, or players who have come across from opposition teams such as Varcoe and Greenwood who would be on $300-500k per year as an example.

Take a look at Hawthorn and ask that question mate, because if you think for one second that Collingwood has to give something up for a star, a highlights reel and a current wannabe, you must be highly delusional.
+1

Would not think Collingwood's salary cap is squeezed - Blair would be one of the higher earners in the club and he would certainly be at less than $400k per season.

Add Beams leaving last season (Crisp, De Goey, & Moore combined would not cost 50% of what he would have been paid)

A young list in which the older players are not superstars. Varcoe would be one of their higher earners.

Salary cap would be the least of Collingwood's problems going into this off-season imo
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: T Dog on October 22, 2015, 06:15:30 PM
Derek Hine, A God who walks amongst mere mortals  ;D
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Mat0369 on November 20, 2015, 04:40:12 PM
New Pie Treloar is 'delusional', says Bartlett (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-19/new-pie-treloar-is-delusional-says-bartlett)

I don't think KB should be calling anyone delusional without looking in the mirror first. I wonder how this guy actually has a job in the media?
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Nige on November 20, 2015, 06:20:47 PM
Nobody listens to KB, as much as I love him.

He's only good at riling up Blues and Pies supporters who take him seriously.
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: T Dog on November 20, 2015, 06:48:46 PM
Nobody listens to KB, as much as I love him.

He's only good at riling up Blues and Pies supporters who take him seriously.

He almost has me changing my Pies support to the Tiges...almost   ;D
Title: Re: Adam Treloar
Post by: Mat0369 on November 20, 2015, 07:58:09 PM
Nobody listens to KB, as much as I love him.

He's only good at riling up Blues and Pies supporters who take him seriously.

I know he is full of crap, the sad thing is he is serious in his own delusional mind.