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Title: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: LF on January 29, 2016, 01:22:14 PM
http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/teams/gws/afl-2016-cam-mccarthy-granted-indefinite-leave-from-greater-western-sydney/news-story/be7819ffa23550ef6ea989f2de5cbbd5

GWS Giants forward Cam McCarthy is set to return to Western Australia after being granted indefinite leave from the club to deal with “personal issues”.

In a statement released by the club this morning, Giants chief David Matthews said McCarthy was “struggling to deal” with the demands of AFL football.

“After careful consideration and ongoing discussion with Cameron, his family and his manager, we have agreed that it is in Cam’s best interests to return to Perth for an indefinite period of leave,” Matthews said.

“Cam has most recently been struggling to deal with the day to day demands of being an AFL footballer and as a result we have agreed that the best course of action is for him to step away from the game.”
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Pkbaldy on January 29, 2016, 01:32:21 PM
The weak dog is so faking it... Just so he can play at Freo as soon as possible.
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: fanTCfool on January 29, 2016, 02:08:48 PM
Hard to tell if he is serious, or "stuff you blokes for not trading me :'("
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Gigantor on January 29, 2016, 04:33:56 PM
I'll generally go in to bat for anyone who is battling mental health issues but this really seems dodgy to me
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Ricochet on January 29, 2016, 04:53:35 PM
Good work Cam >:D
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Nige on January 29, 2016, 05:02:50 PM
TIL what homesickness can do.
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Capper on January 29, 2016, 05:18:51 PM
Its a bit of 6 one 1 half a dozen of the other.

Some will say suck it up. Just because you didnt get the trade you wanted to Freo you are going to take some time off.

Others who know the feeling, feel for him. As when anxiety hits you don't know how to cope.

Hope he is alright and this isn't a ploy
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Gigantor on January 29, 2016, 05:29:32 PM
Good work Cam >:D

It would be hilarious if he ends up at West Coast  :P
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Ricochet on January 29, 2016, 05:47:48 PM
Good work Cam >:D

It would be hilarious if he ends up at West Coast  :P
No

No it wouldn't  >:(
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: tbagrocks on January 29, 2016, 05:51:52 PM
It's their own fault! If the Giants had recruited better in the first place instead of hoarding draft picks, they would have a better culture and the young guys might have wanted to stick around!

Told you all that would happen!
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Mr.Craig on January 29, 2016, 06:21:55 PM
Could have got something decent for him and now they will likely get squat.
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Barra13 on January 29, 2016, 06:46:08 PM
The weak dog is so faking it... Just so he can play at Freo as soon as possible.

I hope so. Then they might leave Jesse Hogan alone.  ;D
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: JBs-Hawks on January 29, 2016, 06:49:15 PM
person ass dog
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: meow meow on January 29, 2016, 06:53:05 PM
Never trust anyone with a moustache.
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: nrich102 on January 30, 2016, 12:30:44 AM
I hate how the first thought is that he's faking it. Maybe he is genuinly home sick, and something has happenned since he signed the new contract.

If he is faking it, it's pretty poor, but there's no real proof of that yet.
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Ziplock on January 30, 2016, 06:42:13 PM
It's their own fault! If the Giants had recruited better in the first place instead of hoarding draft picks, they would have a better culture and the young guys might have wanted to stick around!

Told you all that would happen!

Oh yeah, so when players leave the crows they're mummas boys, sooks and wimps, but any other club it's a culture issue.

Step off you hypocritical flog.


For the record, I think the poor guy probably is seriously anxious or stressed for being homesick- homesickness isn't a mental illness, but if you're getting severe anxiety or depression from it...

Hopefully he'll get well and end up playing for us again.

If not


Could have got something decent for him and now they will likely get squat.

pretty sure all freo were offering was their first round pick (which was like pick 20) and a showerty fringe player? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if that's all it was I'm glad we didn't keel over and instead tried to fix mccarthy's issues.
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: nrich102 on January 30, 2016, 09:45:51 PM
Could have got something decent for him and now they will likely get squat.

pretty sure all freo were offering was their first round pick (which was like pick 20) and a showerty fringe player? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if that's all it was I'm glad we didn't keel over and instead tried to fix mccarthy's issues.
I think it might of even been there second round pick, cause they wanted Harley, yeah?
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Mr.Craig on January 31, 2016, 12:37:29 AM

Could have got something decent for him and now they will likely get squat.

pretty sure all freo were offering was their first round pick (which was like pick 20) and a showerty fringe player? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if that's all it was I'm glad we didn't keel over and instead tried to fix mccarthy's issues.

The offer was Pick 22 and a 2016 first round pick. I know Freo really wanted to fill that hole in their forward line but that's massive overs for a guy who had only played half a dozen decent games.

In the end Freo used 22 to get Bennell and they may end up getting McCarthy for this years first rounder or less, presuming he sorts out his issues and they still want him (and GWS are willing to break the contract).

GWS had a "When keeping it real goes wrong" moment. Totally understandable that they wanted to hold on to their investment but at the same time I don't think many of us are surprised that it's turned out the way it has.

Hopefully it all works out for him.
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on January 31, 2016, 12:52:50 AM
the deal could have been something like

Freo lose Weller, gain McCarthy
Saints lose pick 5, gain Weller
GWS lose McCarthy, gain pick 5

and probably other little bits n shower

that's what the Saints were pushing for I'm pretty sure
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Ricochet on January 31, 2016, 01:31:33 AM
the deal could have been something like

Freo lose Weller, gain McCarthy
Saints lose pick 5, gain Weller
GWS lose McCarthy, gain pick 5

and probably other little bits n shower

that's what the Saints were pushing for I'm pretty sure
Weller isn't going anywhere
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on January 31, 2016, 01:42:27 AM
the deal could have been something like

Freo lose Weller, gain McCarthy
Saints lose pick 5, gain Weller
GWS lose McCarthy, gain pick 5

and probably other little bits n shower

that's what the Saints were pushing for I'm pretty sure
Weller isn't going anywhere
dunno man, bloke on Bigfooty (I know I know) who has a very good strike rate on these things reckons the only thing stopping the deal was GWS

Weller's signed though I guess so that ends that. until he's out of contract again :P
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Ricochet on January 31, 2016, 02:19:16 AM
the deal could have been something like

Freo lose Weller, gain McCarthy
Saints lose pick 5, gain Weller
GWS lose McCarthy, gain pick 5

and probably other little bits n shower

that's what the Saints were pushing for I'm pretty sure
Weller isn't going anywhere
dunno man, bloke on Bigfooty (I know I know) who has a very good strike rate on these things reckons the only thing stopping the deal was GWS

Weller's signed though I guess so that ends that. until he's out of contract again :P
come talk to me at the end of 2018 then :P
He'll have a brownlow by then ;)
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: LF on January 31, 2016, 10:56:52 AM
http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/teams/gws/homesick-cam-mccarthy-could-become-a-delisted-free-agent-if-gws-agrees-to-sever-contract/news-story/69c6fb58c2bc6933b192659e78852fc6

FREMANTLE could potentially pick up trade target Cam McCarthy as a delisted free agent for nothing ahead of the 2017 season.

McCarthy’s uncertain future is likely to become clearer by the end of this week after a series of meetings between the AFL, AFL Players Association, Greater Western Sydney and McCarthy’s management.

McCarthy, a WA product who has battled homesickness at the Giants, was granted indefinite leave from the club after the crisis came to a head this week.

The 20-year-old appears unlikely to attend any meetings over his future in person.

McCarthy’s management is expected to push for the youngster to be delisted by the Giants and his contract — which has two more seasons to run — severed.

The AFL would then need to determine by what means McCarthy could re-enter the competition in 2017, with the prospect he would be considered a delisted free agent.
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Ringo on January 31, 2016, 02:18:52 PM
GWS would surely be seeking some compo from the AFL though if they were to go down this path and make him a free agent. 


Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Ziplock on January 31, 2016, 04:24:26 PM
Nah, screw that- put him through the trade system- if he wants to sever his contract, then if freo are being wanks he can try his luck at the PSD.
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Holz on February 01, 2016, 10:01:34 AM
GWS would surely be seeking some compo from the AFL though if they were to go down this path and make him a free agent.

possibly but they are getting enough compo with this academy rubbish.

Kennedy and Hooper is just unfair.

they cant stock pile all the talent. They have too many good young players.

Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Mr.Craig on February 01, 2016, 02:46:13 PM
You make it sound like they are holding on to all their talent.

Tyson, Treloar, Adams, O'Rourke, Jaksch, Frost, Plowman, Sumner, Townsend, Miles, Boyd, Edwards, Darley, Hampton, Lamb, Phillips, Bugg....
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Barra13 on February 01, 2016, 07:47:13 PM
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Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Ziplock on February 01, 2016, 08:44:11 PM
GWS would surely be seeking some compo from the AFL though if they were to go down this path and make him a free agent.

possibly but they are getting enough compo with this academy rubbish.

Kennedy and Hooper is just unfair.

they cant stock pile all the talent. They have too many good young players.

haha, we don't have FS, so I think academy players are fair enough considering the development the clubs have to put into them.

 
You make it sound like they are holding on to all their talent.

Tyson, Treloar, Adams, O'Rourke, Jaksch, Frost, Plowman, Sumner, Townsend, Miles, Boyd, Edwards, Darley, Hampton, Lamb, Phillips, Bugg....

GWS recruited knowing they'd lose a shower ton of talent. Obviously some of those are better than others- but Tyson, Treloar, Adams and Miles... that's basically a beast inside midfield right there (albeit, pretty sure Miles was forced out).  To be fair, they did play for star players like pendles etc. with ridiculously good pick packages, but it never happened.

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Eh, scoops like this can come from one disgruntled player tbh. Like, it's entirely probable and tbh, if he was battling with homesickness that badly, quite probable. But w.e, I still feel bad for him tbh.
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Rusty00 on May 09, 2016, 08:58:01 PM
So if GWS had agreed to trade McCarthy to Freo and the end of last season they would currently be looking at Pick 1 in this year's draft along with Pick 5 (Treloar trade), Pick 7 (Carlton trade) and Pick 14 (own pick).

I think TBags head would've exploded if that had happened :P
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Grazz on May 09, 2016, 09:07:39 PM
Really don't like how the kid has gone about all this, needs to harden the flower up. Don't believe any of the mental issues I reckon it's all bullshower meself brought up as decent excuse so he could head home. The kids a wimp, sorry but that's how I feel about it, just a bunch of lies all of it.
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: PowerBug on May 09, 2016, 09:12:41 PM
Really don't like how the kid has gone about all this, needs to harden the flower up. Don't believe any of the mental issues I reckon it's all bullshower meself brought up as decent excuse so he could head home. The kids a wimp, sorry but that's how I feel about it, just a bunch of lies all of it.
And it's all gonna backfire if that is the case because the teams have gone in opposite directions this season.
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Grazz on May 09, 2016, 09:19:26 PM
Really don't like how the kid has gone about all this, needs to harden the flower up. Don't believe any of the mental issues I reckon it's all bullshower meself brought up as decent excuse so he could head home. The kids a wimp, sorry but that's how I feel about it, just a bunch of lies all of it.
And it's all gonna backfire if that is the case because the teams have gone in opposite directions this season.


Looks that way mate. I'm with others GWS should make it as hard as possible for him to get to Freo. He flowered with them let them flower with him now. Weak as power that kid, can't stand that sort of bullshower, it's a backhander to those that have genuine mental health issues and unforgivable from my point of view to lie about it which as i said I believe he is.
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: JBs-Hawks on May 09, 2016, 09:19:49 PM
Be nice if all clubs took a stand and said well Cam if you want to be an absolute flowerwit about it then enjoy a career in the WAFL
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Grazz on May 09, 2016, 09:22:26 PM
Be nice if all clubs took a stand and said well Cam if you want to be an absolute flowerwit about it then enjoy a career in the WAFL

+1 that would be sweet for my liking. With the position Freo is in I feel it's highly unlikely, they'll jump on him asap if possible and can't really blame them but yeh love the idea of it JB.
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: nrich102 on May 09, 2016, 09:38:12 PM
They should trade him to Gold Coast, you can't get much further away from Freo than that!
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Mat0369 on May 09, 2016, 11:39:07 PM
So if GWS had agreed to trade McCarthy to Freo and the end of last season they would currently be looking at Pick 1 in this year's draft along with Pick 5 (Treloar trade), Pick 7 18(Carlton trade) and Pick 14 (own pick).

I think TBags head would've exploded if that had happened :P

Fixed. We traded them the Cats pick, not our own.

They should trade him to Gold Coast, you can't get much further away from Freo than that!

There is Brisbane.

Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: kilbluff1985 on May 10, 2016, 06:03:24 AM
even if he was available to be selected would have to be in good form to stay in the best 22
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Rusty00 on May 10, 2016, 08:00:22 AM
So if GWS had agreed to trade McCarthy to Freo and the end of last season they would currently be looking at Pick 1 in this year's draft along with Pick 5 (Treloar trade), Pick 7 18(Carlton trade) and Pick 14 (own pick).

I think TBags head would've exploded if that had happened :P

Fixed. We traded them the Cats pick, not our own
But that doesn't sound as good for my story :P
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Ziplock on May 10, 2016, 03:16:56 PM
even if he was available to be selected would have to be in good form to stay in the best 22

haha

because the rest of freo has had to stay in good form?

:P

Look, if he does have genuine mental health problems, I feel bad for him. If he doesn't, he's a little dog and a flower wit. But I don't know which one's right so I'm not going to judge him and I'll give him benefit of the doubt. Best of luck to him.
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Grazz on May 10, 2016, 08:00:07 PM
even if he was available to be selected would have to be in good form to stay in the best 22

haha

because the rest of freo has had to stay in good form?

:P

Look, if he does have genuine mental health problems, I feel bad for him. If he doesn't, he's a little dog and a flower wit. But I don't know which one's right so I'm not going to judge him and I'll give him benefit of the doubt. Best of luck to him.

I'd be the first with a sincere apology if indeed he does mate but as iv'e said I don't believe for second he has any issues he's just used it as an excuse which is not cool.
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: tbagrocks on May 10, 2016, 08:02:00 PM
It's their own fault! If the Giants had recruited better in the first place instead of hoarding draft picks, they would have a better culture and the young guys might have wanted to stick around!

Told you all that would happen!

Oh yeah, so when players leave the crows they're mummas boys, sooks and wimps, but any other club it's a culture issue.

Step off you hypocritical flog.


Got to love how this guy always misses what I actually meant, a few of you though tbh ;)

Adelaide recruited a team of mature footballers and all but missed the GF after just three years ........  yeah, totally the same ::)
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Ringo on May 10, 2016, 08:20:11 PM
One of the reasons why I reckon Drafted players should be on a minimum 3 year contract so club does get the benefit for drafting and developing.  We have lost so many players after the 2 years.

Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: PowerBug on May 10, 2016, 09:51:55 PM
One of the reasons why I reckon Drafted players should be on a minimum 3 year contract so club does get the benefit for drafting and developing.  We have lost so many players after the 2 years.
It's currently a two year contract isn't it? I would agree with extending it another year. And no loopholes allowed. If they chuck in the towel after 1 year they can't get picked up in the 3rd year by another club, they have to take 2 years outside of the AFL before they can go anywhere else.
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Ringo on May 11, 2016, 08:13:21 AM
Yep 2 years PB.
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Nige on May 12, 2016, 09:29:27 AM
even if he was available to be selected would have to be in good form to stay in the best 22
This is true.

Jezza's their no.1, I daresay Lobb's almost got himself in as no.2 in the pecking order because he can play as the back-up ruck and Patton's no.3 because they invested so much into him through his knee injuries and obviously being the no.1 draft pick.

Plus then there's Tomlinson/Stewart as well.

Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Ziplock on May 14, 2016, 07:02:22 PM
It's their own fault! If the Giants had recruited better in the first place instead of hoarding draft picks, they would have a better culture and the young guys might have wanted to stick around!

Told you all that would happen!

Oh yeah, so when players leave the crows they're mummas boys, sooks and wimps, but any other club it's a culture issue.

Step off you hypocritical flog.


Got to love how this guy always misses what I actually meant, a few of you though tbh ;)

Adelaide recruited a team of mature footballers and all but missed the GF after just three years ........  yeah, totally the same ::)

Adelaide made the top 8 once in their first 6 years.

GWS tried to recruit star players when they started, but nobody wanted to come to sydney. They didn't want just rejects like the crows current team, so they decided to load up on talent so when they invariably lose players due to the go home factor, they still retained young talent. When they had the opportunity to get established and good players (Mumford, Shaw, Griffen, Stevie J) they went for it.

Their strategy was sound, and that's why they're currently sitting top 4.
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: kilbluff1985 on May 14, 2016, 07:13:09 PM
even if he was available to be selected would have to be in good form to stay in the best 22

haha

because the rest of freo has had to stay in good form?

:P

Look, if he does have genuine mental health problems, I feel bad for him. If he doesn't, he's a little dog and a flower wit. But I don't know which one's right so I'm not going to judge him and I'll give him benefit of the doubt. Best of luck to him.

i was talking about him getting games for GWS this year
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Grazz on May 14, 2016, 10:30:29 PM
It's their own fault! If the Giants had recruited better in the first place instead of hoarding draft picks, they would have a better culture and the young guys might have wanted to stick around!

Told you all that would happen!

Oh yeah, so when players leave the crows they're mummas boys, sooks and wimps, but any other club it's a culture issue.

Step off you hypocritical flog.


Got to love how this guy always misses what I actually meant, a few of you though tbh ;)

Adelaide recruited a team of mature footballers and all but missed the GF after just three years ........  yeah, totally the same ::)

Adelaide made the top 8 once in their first 6 years and 2 flags in their first 8 years.

GWS tried to recruit star players when they started, but nobody wanted to come to sydney. They didn't want just rejects like the crows current team, so they decided to load up on talent so when they invariably lose players due to the go home factor, they still retained young talent. When they had the opportunity to get established and good players (Mumford, Shaw, Griffen, Stevie J) they went for it.

Their strategy was sound, and that's why they're currently sitting top 4.

Fixed.  :P
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Ziplock on May 17, 2016, 10:26:17 PM
It's their own fault! If the Giants had recruited better in the first place instead of hoarding draft picks, they would have a better culture and the young guys might have wanted to stick around!

Told you all that would happen!

Oh yeah, so when players leave the crows they're mummas boys, sooks and wimps, but any other club it's a culture issue.

Step off you hypocritical flog.


Got to love how this guy always misses what I actually meant, a few of you though tbh ;)

Adelaide recruited a team of mature footballers and all but missed the GF after just three years ........  yeah, totally the same ::)

Adelaide made the top 8 once in their first 6 years and 2 flags in their first 8 years.

GWS tried to recruit star players when they started, but nobody wanted to come to sydney. They didn't want just rejects like the crows current team, so they decided to load up on talent so when they invariably lose players due to the go home factor, they still retained young talent. When they had the opportunity to get established and good players (Mumford, Shaw, Griffen, Stevie J) they went for it.

Their strategy was sound, and that's why they're currently sitting top 4.

Fixed.  :P

we're using comparable time frames to the giants :P
Title: Re: McCarthy granted indefinite leave
Post by: Grazz on May 17, 2016, 11:12:02 PM
Yeh I know, just being a smarty pants is all mate.  ;)