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Title: 2017 Season
Post by: _wato on September 05, 2016, 03:06:54 PM
Lots of things to look forward to IMO. Yes we lost some stars and some vets (Swanny, Cloke, Macaffer, Toovey) which is always tough but we have so many talented players on our team/to come back that I can't help but see many good things to come. Keefe, Thomas, Elliot, Shaz to come back in 2017 after injuries and suspensions as well as Daicos and Brown who will be picked up as F/S picks in the draft. If we can hold onto Brown and nab another 1 or 2 KPP players (disappointed we aren't after Marchbank by what I've been told), we might do okay next year - our biggest weakness is our KPP's and we are so thin in this area... Only genuine worry. WHE also looks likely to nominate pies as his preferred destination.

Best 22 (before draft and trade period)

B: Marsh, Brown, Maynard
HB: Smith, Reid, Howe
C: Sidebottom, Adams, Crisp
HF: Varcoe, White, Greenwood
F: Elliot, Moore, Fasolo
R: Grundy, Pendlebury, Treloar
Int: De Goey, Sinclair, Aish, Goldsack

Small Defender Depth: Scharenberg, Ramsay, Langdon, Williams, Oxley
Key Defender Depth: Keeffe, Frost
Midfield/Forward Depth: Broomhead, Wills, Crocker, Phillips, Blair, Sier, Thomas
Ruck Depth: Cox, Witts

Traded: Cloke
Retired: Swan, Macaffer, Toovey
Delistings:

Over the course of the year I think Scharenberg, Ramsay, Broomhead and Thomas can easily become best 22. Everything obviously is bound by the offseason pickups. Would love to see Hoskin-Elliot a former number four pick. Would give us 5 top 8 picks in the last 5 years (Moore, Aish, Shaz, JDG, WHE) along with our bonafide stars Pendles, Grundy, Reid, Treloar, Adams, Sidey which can give us a really strong base to work with. A fit Elliot and Fas makes us an instant 3-4 goal better team. Gotten rid of all the deadwood over the last few years and this list is so young and fresh. Doesn't look like there is any genuine passengers just being a list clogger. Anyone else share this excitement?


Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: T Dog on September 05, 2016, 07:12:43 PM
Ok I'm sold. Go Pies Go Hard Go Aishy   ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: Nige on September 05, 2016, 10:40:31 PM
Would have thought Langdon was best 22?
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: crowls on September 05, 2016, 10:41:18 PM
good positive write up wato.    i can hear bucks presenting it to the board.   all you need now is an attitude change.   

Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: fanTCfool on September 05, 2016, 10:43:33 PM
Would have thought Langdon was best 22?

Agreed, would have had him and possibly Shaz in front of Marsh, don't rate him too much.
I'd be trading Marley Williams, Josh Smith and Maynard seem to be keeping him out of a role.
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: _wato on September 06, 2016, 12:12:29 PM
Would have thought Langdon was best 22?

Agreed, would have had him and possibly Shaz in front of Marsh, don't rate him too much.
I'd be trading Marley Williams, Josh Smith and Maynard seem to be keeping him out of a role.

You could be right but he's not in my best 22. You need Marsh as D3 to allow Howe to play more of a rebounding role. Howe is good as a third tall but is better when he has the freedom to run. Marsh in also allows Reid further flexibility to roam and take intercept marks which is what he is great at. Maynard has the small defender role (is our best small defender now) as well as Smith who has done nothing wrong to lose his spot. Langdon isn't great by foot and isn't great in the air, he's sort of a depth player but won't be a bloke who takes us to our next flag tilt. Shaz will be in front of him again by years end. Yes Langdon is handy and yes he is a fairly good defender but imo he'll be part of a rotation of blokes who will play in that role next year (and obviously opposition is important) but I simply see others in front of him atm. Hopefully he's filled out a little while he's been out.

My hope is that Shaz can really prove his worth and come straight into the team Rd 1 which will push Langdon back in the pecking order.
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: RaisyDaisy on September 06, 2016, 12:25:20 PM
As an outsider looking in, Langdon is easily in your best 22 man

Pretty sure he is rated very highly in the club too
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: _wato on September 06, 2016, 12:37:41 PM
As an outsider looking in, Langdon is easily in your best 22 man

Pretty sure he is rated very highly in the club too

Easy to say but missed since Rd 6 this year so will have to work to get his spot back. He won't be gifted a game.

As I said, Smith took his role and nailed it, Maynard, Howe, Reid, Brown are locks so he is literally fighting with Marsh for the last spot. If Marsh can get bigger he'll be able to take on the gorillas next year (192cm) and is probably more influential than Langdon (189cm) because he allows Reid & Howe to play their natural games. Langdon at best will only ever be a D3/4 meaning Reid will have to play lockdown.
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: meow meow on September 06, 2016, 12:43:41 PM
Ramsay stiff to miss. He's a gun who NEVER loses one on one contests. Maynard is better offensively but I'd pick Jackson ahead of him if you want a Nick Smith type stopper.

I'd find it impossible to be 100% excited about the team while Jesse White is still in there.

Goldsack should be kicked out by someone like Langdon, Thomas or Broomy if they put in a good preseason.
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: _wato on September 06, 2016, 01:23:15 PM
Ramsay stiff to miss. He's a gun who NEVER loses one on one contests. Maynard is better offensively but I'd pick Jackson ahead of him if you want a Nick Smith type stopper.

I'd find it impossible to be 100% excited about the team while Jesse White is still in there.

Goldsack should be kicked out by someone like Langdon, Thomas or Broomy if they put in a good preseason.

I agree that's he's a gun. But like many of our defenders he's had really bad luck with injuries and missed most of 2016. So is going to have to work his way back into the team. There's a chance that Sinclair doesn't play again so could be a spot open for one of Ramsay/Shaz/Langdon/Broomhead (who I rate really really high) as you said for a Round 1 spot.

Also agree that will never be 100% excited until we can rid ourselves of a bloke like Spud White. But seeing as Cloke's out and Cox is still learning the game, it's the way to go forward until we can go after a Wright or someone else. If Moore/Elliot/Fas can manage 40 goal season we'll do well next year despite fielding spuds like him
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: Rusty00 on September 06, 2016, 03:38:26 PM
Since he's been mentioned here, what's the latest on Jamie Elliott? Last I heard there was no fixed date on his return and he was in doubt for the start of next season?
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: Torpedo10 on September 13, 2016, 08:40:09 PM
Pies fans,

Are we thinking Mas Cox will be getting Ruck status for 2017?
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: ossie85 on September 14, 2016, 04:07:41 AM
Pies fans,

Are we thinking Mas Cox will be getting Ruck status for 2017?

I wouldn't think so, but who knows
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: T Dog on September 16, 2016, 10:19:18 AM
Assuming Jong not getting to the Pies now.

So its just Will Hoskin-Elliott; Chris Mayne; Nick Dal Santo and potentially Boomer Harvey so far?  ???

Interesting to see what deal gets sorted from Bullies for Cloke.
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: Spite on September 17, 2016, 06:20:32 PM
Assuming Jong not getting to the Pies now.

So its just Will Hoskin-Elliott; Chris Mayne; Nick Dal Santo and potentially Boomer HarveyWells so far?  ???

Interesting to see what deal gets sorted from Bullies for Cloke.

Since he's been mentioned here, what's the latest on Jamie Elliott? Last I heard there was no fixed date on his return and he was in doubt for the start of next season?

Will start training in Dec, think he has been going alright and he said he thinks he will be good to go for next season (I assume he means round 1?)
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: shaker on September 17, 2016, 06:33:15 PM
Assuming Jong not getting to the Pies now.

So its just Will Hoskin-Elliott; Chris Mayne; Nick Dal Santo and potentially Boomer Harvey so far?  ???

Interesting to see what deal gets sorted from Bullies for Cloke.

Why would you go down the path of trading in old farts ? pointless did you watch the VFL prelim. today , the Bulldogs have raised the bar along with GWS  ;)
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: ossie85 on September 18, 2016, 11:14:13 AM
3 years for Wells sounds a huge risk to me. Though we are a young side

I don't rate Mayne much.

Here's hoping I'm wrong!
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: The Woodman on September 18, 2016, 01:10:26 PM
I'm actually really hoping we get Wells. Gives us pace through the middle, which we're lacking right now. Varcoe can't be everywhere!
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: shaker on September 18, 2016, 01:41:08 PM
3 years for Wells sounds a huge risk to me. Though we are a young side

I don't rate Mayne much.

Here's hoping I'm wrong!


3 years you have got to be kidding he is 32 in Feb with a history of chronic lower leg problems good luck with that one  ;)
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: ossie85 on September 18, 2016, 04:30:50 PM
3 years for Wells sounds a huge risk to me. Though we are a young side

I don't rate Mayne much.

Here's hoping I'm wrong!


3 years you have got to be kidding he is 32 in Feb with a history of chronic lower leg problems good luck with that one  ;)

That's what they've offered Wells.
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: _wato on September 18, 2016, 05:35:37 PM
I was at first on the stance that getting Wells was stupid.

Starting to think now that it is a good call. Brings experience, brings leg speed, brings an X factor, brings a linking player between half back and half forward and is someone we are considerably lacking in our team. Yes it could be termed a short term fix but I honestly think we can get him for chips and it'll be worth it in the long run.
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: crowls on September 19, 2016, 03:19:12 AM
I was at first on the stance that getting Wells was stupid.

Starting to think now that it is a good call. Brings experience, brings leg speed, brings an X factor, brings a linking player between half back and half forward and is someone we are considerably lacking in our team. Yes it could be termed a short term fix but I honestly think we can get him for chips and it'll be worth it in the long run.
if he goes it will be just for the additional cash.     north would be better trying to help him post retirement with options.   if he goes and then breaksdown,  ...........    you get what you deserve.
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: Grazz on September 19, 2016, 05:06:06 AM
Pies would be better off not going after Wells. To risky and his age I just don't see enough upside to it with his fragility.
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: Spite on September 22, 2016, 05:54:22 PM
I was at first on the stance that getting Wells was stupid.

Starting to think now that it is a good call. Brings experience, brings leg speed, brings an X factor, brings a linking player between half back and half forward and is someone we are considerably lacking in our team. Yes it could be termed a short term fix but I honestly think we can get him for chips and it'll be worth it in the long run.

Been through the same thought process as you too Wato. Everyone knows Wells is a good player and could win us an extra game or two next season. Sure, he isn't young but if he gets the job done, raises the teams confidence a little, even though it is a short term thing, I still think it's a win
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: shaker on September 23, 2016, 11:43:38 AM
I was at first on the stance that getting Wells was stupid.

Starting to think now that it is a good call. Brings experience, brings leg speed, brings an X factor, brings a linking player between half back and half forward and is someone we are considerably lacking in our team. Yes it could be termed a short term fix but I honestly think we can get him for chips and it'll be worth it in the long run.

Been through the same thought process as you too Wato. Everyone knows Wells is a good player and could win us an extra game or two next season. Sure, he isn't young but if he gets the job done, raises the teams confidence a little, even though it is a short term thing, I still think it's a win

600K a year for 3 years they would have to be the most expensive chips ever , bad trade you really need a good key position back which Wells is not I thought the Tiges were the only ones that made bad trades like this one  :P
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: Spite on September 23, 2016, 01:53:10 PM
I was at first on the stance that getting Wells was stupid.

Starting to think now that it is a good call. Brings experience, brings leg speed, brings an X factor, brings a linking player between half back and half forward and is someone we are considerably lacking in our team. Yes it could be termed a short term fix but I honestly think we can get him for chips and it'll be worth it in the long run.

Been through the same thought process as you too Wato. Everyone knows Wells is a good player and could win us an extra game or two next season. Sure, he isn't young but if he gets the job done, raises the teams confidence a little, even though it is a short term thing, I still think it's a win

600K a year for 3 years they would have to be the most expensive chips ever , bad trade you really need a good key position back which Wells is not I thought the Tiges were the only ones that made bad trades like this one  :P

It's not a trade mate, we get him for nothing. Since we can front end most of his contract this season, he's practically free for the next two years which will allow us some extra cap space wriggle room to chase those key defenders.
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: shaker on September 23, 2016, 03:51:29 PM
I was at first on the stance that getting Wells was stupid.

Starting to think now that it is a good call. Brings experience, brings leg speed, brings an X factor, brings a linking player between half back and half forward and is someone we are considerably lacking in our team. Yes it could be termed a short term fix but I honestly think we can get him for chips and it'll be worth it in the long run.

Been through the same thought process as you too Wato. Everyone knows Wells is a good player and could win us an extra game or two next season. Sure, he isn't young but if he gets the job done, raises the teams confidence a little, even though it is a short term thing, I still think it's a win

600K a year for 3 years they would have to be the most expensive chips ever , bad trade you really need a good key position back which Wells is not I thought the Tiges were the only ones that made bad trades like this one  :P

It's not a trade mate, we get him for nothing. Since we can front end most of his contract this season, he's practically free for the next two years which will allow us some extra cap space wriggle room to chase those key defenders.

My bad deal not trade all the talk is you are getting him for his polish off half back NDS would do the same job for roughly half the price , you could get him on a one year deal and he is less injury prone ?
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: Spite on September 24, 2016, 12:00:35 PM
I was at first on the stance that getting Wells was stupid.

Starting to think now that it is a good call. Brings experience, brings leg speed, brings an X factor, brings a linking player between half back and half forward and is someone we are considerably lacking in our team. Yes it could be termed a short term fix but I honestly think we can get him for chips and it'll be worth it in the long run.

Been through the same thought process as you too Wato. Everyone knows Wells is a good player and could win us an extra game or two next season. Sure, he isn't young but if he gets the job done, raises the teams confidence a little, even though it is a short term thing, I still think it's a win

600K a year for 3 years they would have to be the most expensive chips ever , bad trade you really need a good key position back which Wells is not I thought the Tiges were the only ones that made bad trades like this one  :P

It's not a trade mate, we get him for nothing. Since we can front end most of his contract this season, he's practically free for the next two years which will allow us some extra cap space wriggle room to chase those key defenders.

My bad deal not trade all the talk is you are getting him for his polish off half back NDS would do the same job for roughly half the price , you could get him on a one year deal and he is less injury prone ?

We need the speed. Think that's the major selling point here. We can't drag Wells across for a 1 year deal, he wouldn't do it so had to be multi year. NDS I'm not even sure would move for just one season if north have offered him after career activities or work opportunities
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: Money on October 14, 2016, 11:40:30 PM
Does the Wells addition push Taylor Adams out of the midfield?
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: Cambo on October 15, 2016, 01:40:08 PM
No, but it will lighten the load on all the mids.  Pendles will spend more time across half back or even forward more, which could only be a good thing with Well's ball delivery  ;)
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: Samsturmfels on October 16, 2016, 08:52:23 PM
Our backline is going to be flowered if we dont get some more quality defenders in. Marsh, brown, frost are all going. We need get more experience and leadership into it. Someone like Eric Macenzie would be ideal
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: Cambo on October 16, 2016, 11:25:02 PM
Doesnt look like anyone from WA wants Marsh  ;D so he will probably stay. We are also getting Keeffe back which will help.
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: ossie85 on October 17, 2016, 08:45:38 AM
Doesnt look like anyone from WA wants Marsh  ;D so he will probably stay. We are also getting Keeffe back which will help.

Marsh is a relief now...

Doesn't Nathan's twin brother want back to Victoria? And didn't we just sign Mitch Brown's wife to our netball team?


... also, what's Presti doing these days? And Fletcher's suspension is up
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: Samsturmfels on October 17, 2016, 04:11:14 PM
Doesnt look like anyone from WA wants Marsh  ;D so he will probably stay. We are also getting Keeffe back which will help.

Marsh is a relief now...

Doesn't Nathan's twin brother want back to Victoria? And didn't we just sign Mitch Brown's wife to our netball team?


... also, what's Presti doing these days? And Fletcher's suspension is up
Presti plays open age basketball in my league..
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: ossie85 on October 17, 2016, 04:13:11 PM
Have a quiet word with him sam
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: kilbluff1985 on October 19, 2016, 01:35:17 PM
I was at first on the stance that getting Wells was stupid.

Starting to think now that it is a good call. Brings experience, brings leg speed, brings an X factor, brings a linking player between half back and half forward and is someone we are considerably lacking in our team. Yes it could be termed a short term fix but I honestly think we can get him for chips and it'll be worth it in the long run.

Been through the same thought process as you too Wato. Everyone knows Wells is a good player and could win us an extra game or two next season. Sure, he isn't young but if he gets the job done, raises the teams confidence a little, even though it is a short term thing, I still think it's a win

600K a year for 3 years they would have to be the most expensive chips ever , bad trade you really need a good key position back which Wells is not I thought the Tiges were the only ones that made bad trades like this one  :P

It's not a trade mate, we get him for nothing. Since we can front end most of his contract this season, he's practically free for the next two years which will allow us some extra cap space wriggle room to chase those key defenders.

My bad deal not trade all the talk is you are getting him for his polish off half back NDS would do the same job for roughly half the price , you could get him on a one year deal and he is less injury prone ?

has NDS even said he wants to play next year?
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: GoLions on October 19, 2016, 01:37:27 PM
I was at first on the stance that getting Wells was stupid.

Starting to think now that it is a good call. Brings experience, brings leg speed, brings an X factor, brings a linking player between half back and half forward and is someone we are considerably lacking in our team. Yes it could be termed a short term fix but I honestly think we can get him for chips and it'll be worth it in the long run.

Been through the same thought process as you too Wato. Everyone knows Wells is a good player and could win us an extra game or two next season. Sure, he isn't young but if he gets the job done, raises the teams confidence a little, even though it is a short term thing, I still think it's a win

600K a year for 3 years they would have to be the most expensive chips ever , bad trade you really need a good key position back which Wells is not I thought the Tiges were the only ones that made bad trades like this one  :P

It's not a trade mate, we get him for nothing. Since we can front end most of his contract this season, he's practically free for the next two years which will allow us some extra cap space wriggle room to chase those key defenders.

My bad deal not trade all the talk is you are getting him for his polish off half back NDS would do the same job for roughly half the price , you could get him on a one year deal and he is less injury prone ?

has NDS even said he wants to play next year?
Looking like he's going to retire :-\
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: enzedder on December 21, 2016, 01:15:32 PM
Just saw a tweet somewhere on twitter and there was a piece on Keeffe who is 26 and hasn't played at all for 2 years ... must've been a naughty one... vaguely recall his name...and mentions he is pushing to be ready by R1.
Can't be bothered doing any research so jumped on here to get some knowledge if there's any givers as I'm happy to be a taker.
Also what position and price in SC? Is he a possibility for a rookie spot?
TIA
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: RaisyDaisy on December 21, 2016, 01:22:15 PM
Just saw a tweet somewhere on twitter and there was a piece on Keeffe who is 26 and hasn't played at all for 2 years ... must've been a naughty one... vaguely recall his name...and mentions he is pushing to be ready by R1.
Can't be bothered doing any research so jumped on here to get some knowledge if there's any givers as I'm happy to be a taker.
Also what position and price in SC? Is he a possibility for a rookie spot?
TIA

160K ish defender

Absolutele lock for me. Can possibly start on field early on than sit at D8 all year

Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: Ringo on December 21, 2016, 02:08:39 PM
Just saw a tweet somewhere on twitter and there was a piece on Keeffe who is 26 and hasn't played at all for 2 years ... must've been a naughty one... vaguely recall his name...and mentions he is pushing to be ready by R1.
Can't be bothered doing any research so jumped on here to get some knowledge if there's any givers as I'm happy to be a taker.
Also what position and price in SC? Is he a possibility for a rookie spot?
TIA

160K ish defender

Absolutele lock for me. Can possibly start on field early on than sit at D8 all year
Keefe and Josh Thomas were suspended for 2 years for drug use.  Pies kept on Rookie list and elevated both this year as ban concludes. At $160k Keefe is a lock and will play every game. Was in Pies best 22 before suspension playing 18 games in 2014 and averaging 62 which I will take from a D6 - D8 anytime. Still trying to decide on Thomas who is priced at $193k but a lot more forward options with rookies than defenders.
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: enzedder on December 21, 2016, 03:01:25 PM
Cheers boys.
Good to know.
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: Money Shot on December 22, 2016, 09:22:35 AM
Do you guys know why Greenwood dropped off so immensely in scoring at Collingwood? He was good for a mid 90s avg at north and now he is struggling to go over 80.
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: Holz on December 22, 2016, 09:41:42 AM
Do you guys know why Greenwood dropped off so immensely in scoring at Collingwood? He was good for a mid 90s avg at north and now he is struggling to go over 80.

He averaged that for a season and then 6 games in another season.

Prior to that he had 4 years of being a spud.

The answer, he isnt a very good player. In his 1 good year he racked up junk ball as evident in his 102 DT points to 94 Sc.

Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: Money Shot on December 22, 2016, 11:11:04 AM
Do you guys know why Greenwood dropped off so immensely in scoring at Collingwood? He was good for a mid 90s avg at north and now he is struggling to go over 80.

He averaged that for a season and then 6 games in another season.

Prior to that he had 4 years of being a spud.

The answer, he isnt a very good player. In his 1 good year he racked up junk ball as evident in his 102 DT points to 94 Sc.
Okay cheers mate! Trying to find some guys that are a little bit different for my forward line as Macrae/Dahl are the only two people I would confidently start.

Guess greenwood isn't the guy hahaha
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: Holz on December 22, 2016, 11:30:28 AM
Do you guys know why Greenwood dropped off so immensely in scoring at Collingwood? He was good for a mid 90s avg at north and now he is struggling to go over 80.

He averaged that for a season and then 6 games in another season.

Prior to that he had 4 years of being a spud.

The answer, he isnt a very good player. In his 1 good year he racked up junk ball as evident in his 102 DT points to 94 Sc.
Okay cheers mate! Trying to find some guys that are a little bit different for my forward line as Macrae/Dahl are the only two people I would confidently start.

Guess greenwood isn't the guy hahaha

Im personally going Dahl Macrae then picking rookies from then on out, im sure McGlugg at F3 is a pretty unique set up.

Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: Ringo on December 22, 2016, 05:39:15 PM
Do you guys know why Greenwood dropped off so immensely in scoring at Collingwood? He was good for a mid 90s avg at north and now he is struggling to go over 80.

He averaged that for a season and then 6 games in another season.

Prior to that he had 4 years of being a spud.

The answer, he isnt a very good player. In his 1 good year he racked up junk ball as evident in his 102 DT points to 94 Sc.
Okay cheers mate! Trying to find some guys that are a little bit different for my forward line as Macrae/Dahl are the only two people I would confidently start.

Guess greenwood isn't the guy hahaha

Im personally going Dahl Macrae then picking rookies from then on out, im sure McGlugg at F3 is a pretty unique set up.
That is if McLugg plays  ;) Strong competition for spots at Lions so McLugg will have to earn a spot.
Title: Re: 2017 Season
Post by: Toga on April 01, 2017, 11:51:41 AM
Hate to say it but it's crazy how much Collingwood need another option in the forward 50 right now. The club flowered up pushing Trav out the door last year.