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Title: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on December 11, 2016, 11:27:07 PM
Sure to be a hell of a lot of talk about this over the next couple of months

Gawn and Goldy appear to be the set and forget option, but players like Stef, Grundy and even Sauce are getting interest and Sandi will be very popular due to his price

What I'm more interested in is R3

We know that Giles will be WCE main ruck, and is only 280k. What if Vardy (265k) or Witts (217k) get named Round 1? Are they worth spending the extra cash on for R3?

At the moment I have Sandi R2 with Ryder F3, but if Giles or Witts were to line up Rd1 I would seriously consider starting them at R3 and then dumping Ryder from my forward line for someone else

I know there's months to go, but I can't see myself changing from Gawn and Sandi, so for me personally R3 and Ryder in the forwards or not is where my decisions will be I think

What about you?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on December 12, 2016, 09:36:47 AM
In all the years of playing SC I have never nailed the rucks last year I had Goldy and Stef  :'( as for next year Gawn seems a must I think Goldy will lose points to Daw and I don't care how cheap Sandi is I am not getting him he is 34 and a massive unit with a injury plagued past I'm surprised he is still playing , so it's looking like Gawn and Grundy at this stage for me but Grundy is not set in stone
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on December 12, 2016, 10:38:49 AM
Hoping Sandi finds some form early and makes coin to allow easy upgrade when he gets injured.

There are 3 R/F to cover a week or 2 injuries in Ryder, Tom Boyd and Nankervis at a new club. Will Nankervis be the Number 1 ruck at tigers?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on December 12, 2016, 10:57:40 AM
In all the years of playing SC I have never nailed the rucks last year I had Goldy and Stef  :'( as for next year Gawn seems a must I think Goldy will lose points to Daw and I don't care how cheap Sandi is I am not getting him he is 34 and a massive unit with a injury plagued past I'm surprised he is still playing , so it's looking like Gawn and Grundy at this stage for me but Grundy is not set in stone

Daw wont be rucking he is being developed as a fwd.

Goldy dropped last year due to injury not daw.

The risk of goldy is the loss of boomer NDS in getting HTA and also i guess losing more games.

remember though he was averaging 128 from the first 5 rounds then got injured round 6 and went 52,

then he went 103 105 172 and then got injured the game after scoring 112 and leaving the ground.

Then he pretty much struggled the rest of the year.

as for rucks Goldy is locked then im going Grundy Gawn or Sandi.

if Sandi is sole ruck and Ryder is sole ruck ill got Goldy Sandi Ryder.

or even thinking Goldy Ryder then go Rookie Fwd to Gawn at some point.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on December 12, 2016, 11:37:44 AM
In all the years of playing SC I have never nailed the rucks last year I had Goldy and Stef  :'( as for next year Gawn seems a must I think Goldy will lose points to Daw and I don't care how cheap Sandi is I am not getting him he is 34 and a massive unit with a injury plagued past I'm surprised he is still playing , so it's looking like Gawn and Grundy at this stage for me but Grundy is not set in stone

Daw wont be rucking he is being developed as a fwd.

Goldy dropped last year due to injury not daw.

The risk of goldy is the loss of boomer NDS in getting HTA and also i guess losing more games.

remember though he was averaging 128 from the first 5 rounds then got injured round 6 and went 52,

then he went 103 105 172 and then got injured the game after scoring 112 and leaving the ground.

Then he pretty much struggled the rest of the year.

as for rucks Goldy is locked then im going Grundy Gawn or Sandi.

if Sandi is sole ruck and Ryder is sole ruck ill got Goldy Sandi Ryder.

or even thinking Goldy Ryder then go Rookie Fwd to Gawn at some point.

Have a look at goldy's scores when Daw played this year half of them were sub 100 I don't believe for a second that Daw will not be used in the ruck as well as forward
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on December 12, 2016, 11:48:16 AM
In all the years of playing SC I have never nailed the rucks last year I had Goldy and Stef  :'( as for next year Gawn seems a must I think Goldy will lose points to Daw and I don't care how cheap Sandi is I am not getting him he is 34 and a massive unit with a injury plagued past I'm surprised he is still playing , so it's looking like Gawn and Grundy at this stage for me but Grundy is not set in stone

Daw wont be rucking he is being developed as a fwd.

Goldy dropped last year due to injury not daw.

The risk of goldy is the loss of boomer NDS in getting HTA and also i guess losing more games.

remember though he was averaging 128 from the first 5 rounds then got injured round 6 and went 52,

then he went 103 105 172 and then got injured the game after scoring 112 and leaving the ground.

Then he pretty much struggled the rest of the year.

as for rucks Goldy is locked then im going Grundy Gawn or Sandi.

if Sandi is sole ruck and Ryder is sole ruck ill got Goldy Sandi Ryder.

or even thinking Goldy Ryder then go Rookie Fwd to Gawn at some point.

Have a look at goldy's scores when Daw played this year half of them were sub 100 I don't believe for a second that Daw will not be used in the ruck as well as forward

105 100 87 127 92 82 99 124 so a 102 average

so this is his games after round 10 without Daw

83 99 110 93 118 so a 101 average,

basically what that tells you is Daw is a non factor he was just injured and north where playing badly. The second bit is a worry.

however look at Daw's HO in his last 5 games 6,5,3,8,4 that is a fwd who is pinch hitting. As a comparison thats not much more then Jack Watts gets at melbourne.

Daw is being developed as a FWD as we clearly do not want him in the ruck, the guy who is being developed as a ruck is Preuss which makes sense as when goldy retires Daw will be way too old to take over Preuss will just be hitting ruck age. Petrie is gone and Daw will take his spot, Waite is almost gone too.

long term the fwd line is Wood, Daw, Brown with Preuss probably in the ruck.

the only concern for Goldy is the weak team and the fact the midfield wont win that much ball. Goldy is better then Gawn but dees midfield is far better then north (and most teams). So thats whyu gawn will score. Likewise i like Grundy as pendles Treloar are superstars.


Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on December 12, 2016, 12:03:59 PM
In all the years of playing SC I have never nailed the rucks last year I had Goldy and Stef  :'( as for next year Gawn seems a must I think Goldy will lose points to Daw and I don't care how cheap Sandi is I am not getting him he is 34 and a massive unit with a injury plagued past I'm surprised he is still playing , so it's looking like Gawn and Grundy at this stage for me but Grundy is not set in stone

Daw wont be rucking he is being developed as a fwd.

Goldy dropped last year due to injury not daw.

The risk of goldy is the loss of boomer NDS in getting HTA and also i guess losing more games.

remember though he was averaging 128 from the first 5 rounds then got injured round 6 and went 52,

then he went 103 105 172 and then got injured the game after scoring 112 and leaving the ground.

Then he pretty much struggled the rest of the year.

as for rucks Goldy is locked then im going Grundy Gawn or Sandi.

if Sandi is sole ruck and Ryder is sole ruck ill got Goldy Sandi Ryder.

or even thinking Goldy Ryder then go Rookie Fwd to Gawn at some point.

Have a look at goldy's scores when Daw played this year half of them were sub 100 I don't believe for a second that Daw will not be used in the ruck as well as forward

105 100 87 127 92 82 99 124 so a 102 average

so this is his games after round 10 without Daw

83 99 110 93 118 so a 101 average,

basically what that tells you is Daw is a non factor he was just injured and north where playing badly. The second bit is a worry.

however look at Daw's HO in his last 5 games 6,5,3,8,4 that is a fwd who is pinch hitting. As a comparison thats not much more then Jack Watts gets at melbourne.

Daw is being developed as a FWD as we clearly do not want him in the ruck, the guy who is being developed as a ruck is Preuss which makes sense as when goldy retires Daw will be way too old to take over Preuss will just be hitting ruck age. Petrie is gone and Daw will take his spot, Waite is almost gone too.

long term the fwd line is Wood, Daw, Brown with Preuss probably in the ruck.

the only concern for Goldy is the weak team and the fact the midfield wont win that much ball. Goldy is better then Gawn but dees midfield is far better then north (and most teams). So thats whyu gawn will score. Likewise i like Grundy as pendles Treloar are superstars.



Apart from him being not fully fit this year Goldy looked like his workload was to much I still picking Daw will be used in the rucks more next year but we will have to wait and see who is right  ;)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on December 12, 2016, 12:23:28 PM
Mummy and Tom Boyd with Ryder up forward.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on December 12, 2016, 12:25:25 PM
Mummy and Tom Boyd with Ryder up forward.

So I guess your not taking Super coach seriously again?

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on December 12, 2016, 03:21:46 PM
I posted on a Facebook forum that surely gawn fyfe and beams are the biggest locks of 2017.

I find myself questioning the price of Gawn compared to the value elsewhere.

I legit feel a Ryder sandi and nankervis set up could work this season.

(Can really see myself falling into major mid price trap but there is just so much value this season it is incredible)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on December 12, 2016, 03:24:24 PM
Would love to hear some thoughts about what I mentioned in regards to R3 in the OP
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: fanTCfool on December 12, 2016, 03:30:50 PM
A long way out but will likely look to start Strnadica as the basement price R/F for the R3 position, if there's cash to spare, I wouldn't rule out looking at Tim English for just 30k more, will need time to bulk up like most rucks, but the Doggies always seem to give their top draftees a run at some stage throughout their debut year.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on December 12, 2016, 03:32:07 PM
Would love to hear some thoughts about what I mentioned in regards to R3 in the OP

Time will tell with Giles. But if vardy and Petrie are up and going round 1. I wouldn't even play giles at all. I don't really buy into him being the number 1 ruck talk which has been discussed. With regards his selection for SuperCoach - I wouldn't touch him.

Don't see point in paying up for bench ruck.

Much prefer the idea of the wafl lad at r3 and nank or Ryder forward.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Money Shot on December 12, 2016, 03:32:56 PM
I personally think Grundy will be the number one ruck come seasons end and Sandi should go up in price early and be able to be traded to a cheaper Gawn/Goldy.

Ryder in the forward line for help as well as I think he can become a keeper.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on December 12, 2016, 03:34:58 PM
I personally think Grundy will be the number one ruck come seasons end and Sandi should go up in price early and be able to be traded to a cheaper Gawn/Goldy.

Ryder in the forward line for help as well as I think he can become a keeper.

wouldnt bank on a cheaper goldy.

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on December 12, 2016, 03:36:17 PM
A lot will depend on how your other lines stack up RD - So basically it would mean dropping your R/F to a rookie priced player and spending the extra on R3.  You would say be spending an extra $150k to get Vardy and $100k to get Witts.

So your decision is do I keep I reasonable R/F who would be effectively d5/d6 in complete team or downgrade to a rookie requiring another upgrade.

Personally can not see the Suns playing 2 Rucks with Peter Wright available in forward line.  Expect them to rotate Nicholls, Currie and Witts. 

Hard decision but as I said will be based on needs and final team structures.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: _wato on December 12, 2016, 03:36:27 PM
I personally think Grundy will be the number one ruck come seasons end and Sandi should go up in price early and be able to be traded to a cheaper Gawn/Goldy.

Ryder in the forward line for help as well as I think he can become a keeper.

wouldnt bank on a cheaper goldy.

Or Grundy being number one ruck.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: LordSneeze on December 12, 2016, 04:49:22 PM
Ive looked into Grundy a bit and has been crossed off my potential ruck option list.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: enzedder on December 12, 2016, 08:07:46 PM
Set and forget for me.
Goldy and Gawn.
Goldy has the runs on the board. Is a hitout to advantage beast. Gawn was unreal in 2016. Clear AA. Showed his potential in 2015 with 102 ave in 13 games and delivered in 2016. I'm happy to say I started both last year and didn't spend a trade in rucks as a result. Melbourne is on the up which only makes me more confident in Gawn going massive again. NM will probably struggle (9th-13th IMO) but can't see that as something that will hurt Goldy too much. Both have huge ceilings.
Next best is Grundy. 127 was his best in 2016. He isn't 23 yet. He finished the year off really well, though we are yet to see him dominate Gawn/ Goldy style. 100-115 is where his good scores have been at. He'll improve but by how much? I'm not that confident that it will be by an amount that will see him catch Goldy and Gawn. He'll be a good pick but not the best one IMO. Collingwood are coached by Buckley let's not forget. Pendles could get hidden in the forward line as a key forward post Cloke... who knows? With Pendles, Treloar, Sidey to dish it too there's quality to win his hitouts but a part of me worries about him being clumsy, given frees away and not being too clean below his knees. Collingwood will be hoping Moore can come on quickly and he'll need to for Collingwood to score well enough often enough.... there's doubt in my mind about Collingwood helping Grundy's cause and as I said earlier no worries about Melbourne helping Gawn's.
As an added factor I'll point out that Goldy and Gawn both kicked more goals than Grundy in 2016 too.
Sandi was a force. He'll still shine on occasions as 211 must help a bit but he's a bit of a relic now. Will he get through the year okay? How will Freo go? Pass for me. Give me the best two. I'll pay the piper initially but I think I'll do better for it.
As for R3... haven't looked into it. What I would like is a 102k Ruck/ Fwd with a nice draw for loophole possibilities.
Not sold on Ryder as fwd cover... still need to consider what's best in fwds... but open to the idea at this stage.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Peter on December 12, 2016, 08:37:06 PM
Thoughts on Giles as a cash cow?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on December 12, 2016, 09:06:27 PM
Thoughts on Giles as a cash cow?
has not much of a ceiling starting at $280k though.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Jukes on December 12, 2016, 10:49:35 PM
Thoughts on Giles as a cash cow?
has not much of a ceiling starting at $280k though.

And we gotta remember that this guy was rejected by both GWS and the dons...and he had a 123 in 2016 but still averaged under 75 from 3 games. Maybe if we had a massive scarcity of ruckmen, but we have a few good premo options and then better cheap options like Sandi, Ryder, and Bellcho.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Big Mac on December 15, 2016, 01:21:00 AM
In all the years of playing SC I have never nailed the rucks last year I had Goldy and Stef  :'( as for next year Gawn seems a must I think Goldy will lose points to Daw and I don't care how cheap Sandi is I am not getting him he is 34 and a massive unit with a injury plagued past I'm surprised he is still playing , so it's looking like Gawn and Grundy at this stage for me but Grundy is not set in stone

Daw wont be rucking he is being developed as a fwd.

Goldy dropped last year due to injury not daw.

The risk of goldy is the loss of boomer NDS in getting HTA and also i guess losing more games.

remember though he was averaging 128 from the first 5 rounds then got injured round 6 and went 52,

then he went 103 105 172 and then got injured the game after scoring 112 and leaving the ground.

Then he pretty much struggled the rest of the year.

as for rucks Goldy is locked then im going Grundy Gawn or Sandi.

if Sandi is sole ruck and Ryder is sole ruck ill got Goldy Sandi Ryder.

or even thinking Goldy Ryder then go Rookie Fwd to Gawn at some point.

Have a look at goldy's scores when Daw played this year half of them were sub 100 I don't believe for a second that Daw will not be used in the ruck as well as forward

105 100 87 127 92 82 99 124 so a 102 average

so this is his games after round 10 without Daw

83 99 110 93 118 so a 101 average,

basically what that tells you is Daw is a non factor he was just injured and north where playing badly. The second bit is a worry.

however look at Daw's HO in his last 5 games 6,5,3,8,4 that is a fwd who is pinch hitting. As a comparison thats not much more then Jack Watts gets at melbourne.

Daw is being developed as a FWD as we clearly do not want him in the ruck, the guy who is being developed as a ruck is Preuss which makes sense as when goldy retires Daw will be way too old to take over Preuss will just be hitting ruck age. Petrie is gone and Daw will take his spot, Waite is almost gone too.

long term the fwd line is Wood, Daw, Brown with Preuss probably in the ruck.

the only concern for Goldy is the weak team and the fact the midfield wont win that much ball. Goldy is better then Gawn but dees midfield is far better then north (and most teams). So thats whyu gawn will score. Likewise i like Grundy as pendles Treloar are superstars.

Just saying, Champion Data actually rate the dees midfield as the worst in the comp. And that's after you add Jordan Lewis to it. Gawn > Goldy confirmed  ;)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: jfitty on December 16, 2016, 09:36:07 AM
Interesting article up on the AFL website this morning about Stef's 2016 season:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-12-16/what-ruined-martins-season-it-wasnt-the-ko-bump

Seems as though his knee was giving him some issues, wasn't just the concussion that caused his bad year.

Definitely in the mix, with Rocky and Beams both 100% fit he could get back to a 110 average.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on December 16, 2016, 10:36:23 AM
Just saying, Champion Data actually rate the dees midfield as the worst in the comp. And that's after you add Jordan Lewis to it. Gawn > Goldy confirmed  ;)

Ill happily trade all north mids for dees :P

Well if we are going down this route champion data rates Gawn the 3rd best ruck after NN at 2 and Goldy at 1.

so Goldy #1 confirmed
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Big Mac on December 16, 2016, 02:14:02 PM
Just saying, Champion Data actually rate the dees midfield as the worst in the comp. And that's after you add Jordan Lewis to it. Gawn > Goldy confirmed  ;)

Ill happily trade all north mids for dees :P

Well if we are going down this route champion data rates Gawn the 3rd best ruck after NN at 2 and Goldy at 1.

so Goldy #1 confirmed

Flower, you got me then
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Jukes on December 16, 2016, 03:29:47 PM
Gawn is overrated

Goldy is overrated

Go with Ryder/Sandi/Bellcho tbh
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on December 16, 2016, 03:33:19 PM
get a Hickey up ya
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on December 16, 2016, 04:12:04 PM
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Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on December 16, 2016, 05:06:02 PM
Anyone rolling with Stef and Sandi?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: enzedder on December 16, 2016, 05:16:29 PM
Anyone rolling with Stef and Sandi?
The article of Stef was interesting and got me thinking but the short answer to your question is no. I rate Stef as one of the elite with Goldy, Gawn and NicNat in SC and if his knee is okay then he could be a viable option in SC. The article about him today said something like he's largely pain free. Largely meaning something is still not right. You'd have to see him as a risk as such and as long as Goldy and Gawn are up and running I'll set and forget.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on December 16, 2016, 06:42:18 PM
Anyone rolling with Stef and Sandi?
Considering it obviously but will be watching Stef's output at training and intraclub.

Couple of relative paragraphs from the AFL report

"I just wasn't happy with my season. I would put it down to the knee but either way I felt a little bit embarrassed to be in third spot [in the B&F] just because my output wasn't what I wanted it to be," Martin said.

However that experience has made the 199cm mobile ruckman desperate to make amends next season.

Although still in the rehab group he is enjoying a week down at Launceston with his teammates and in particular being able to once again do leg weights and speed work at training.

"It is like I am a first year [player] in that way so it is really exciting. [I'm] largely pain free [and] able to do everything, which is the important thing whereas I was really limited last year," Martin said.

Martin is also relishing his role with mentoring youngsters being the only player over 30 on our list.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on December 16, 2016, 08:22:57 PM
I think I'll go mid pricers in other positions rather than just the rucks.

Locking in Gawn goldy.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Money Shot on December 16, 2016, 08:47:40 PM
Anyone rolling with Stef and Sandi?
Considering it obviously but will be watching Stef's output at training and intraclub.

Couple of relative paragraphs from the AFL report

"I just wasn't happy with my season. I would put it down to the knee but either way I felt a little bit embarrassed to be in third spot [in the B&F] just because my output wasn't what I wanted it to be," Martin said.

However that experience has made the 199cm mobile ruckman desperate to make amends next season.

Although still in the rehab group he is enjoying a week down at Launceston with his teammates and in particular being able to once again do leg weights and speed work at training.

"It is like I am a first year [player] in that way so it is really exciting. [I'm] largely pain free [and] able to do everything, which is the important thing whereas I was really limited last year," Martin said.

Martin is also relishing his role with mentoring youngsters being the only player over 30 on our list.
If I remember correctly there was a similar article this time last year about Gawn saying he wanted to become the best ruck and the game and from a supercoach point of view that happened so I will be watching Stef very closely ???
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Gigantor on December 16, 2016, 09:07:45 PM
Any chance of Archie Smith playing and flowering up Martins scoring?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on December 16, 2016, 09:29:20 PM
Any chance of Archie Smith playing and flowering up Martins scoring?
I would say not Gigantor but have been wrong before. Reason I say that is that playing Hipwood, Schache, McStay/Close/Freeman as the 3 tall forwards no room for Smith.  Archie has a fair bit of work to do on his kicking as well. Andrews or Close will chop out in rucks if needed.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on December 16, 2016, 11:19:54 PM
Matty Eagles is the big threat to Stef  ;D
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: _wato on December 16, 2016, 11:56:19 PM
Stef has me thinking but I dunno where I'd spend the $100k?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Money Shot on December 18, 2016, 08:38:49 PM
What happened to big Sauce Jacobs last year? and why is there no love for him this year?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: fasttrack13 on December 19, 2016, 12:30:08 AM
What happened to big Sauce Jacobs last year? and why is there no love for him this year?

Danger couldn't rove his taps this year... and spent 7% less time on ground (probably because of Jenkins) - or injury???
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Money Shot on December 19, 2016, 08:14:16 AM
What happened to big Sauce Jacobs last year? and why is there no love for him this year?

Danger couldn't rove his taps this year... and spent 7% less time on ground (probably because of Jenkins) - or injury???
Surely danger doesn't make to much of a difference? 7% less time on ground if concerning how ever.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: TomK on December 19, 2016, 09:33:45 AM
What happened to big Sauce Jacobs last year? and why is there no love for him this year?

Danger couldn't rove his taps this year... and spent 7% less time on ground (probably because of Jenkins) - or injury???
Surely danger doesn't make to much of a difference? 7% less time on ground if concerning how ever.
I don't believe he does. We were #1 in the comp for Centre Clearances towards the end of the year so he managed to do well there but just his work around the ground dropped, hence his decline in Dreamteam as well. Was carrying an elbow injury I'm pretty sure all year so that could've played a part. Wouldn't surprise md to see him as a top 5 ruck again but too risky imo.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: fanTCfool on December 19, 2016, 01:16:53 PM
I've currently got Gawn and Grundy, they're 24 and 22 respectively, and with pretty much every other position we assume that players around that age will improve their average with a few years under their belt, there's no reason why we can't assume rucks are the same.

Stef, Goldy, even Sauce, they're all on the wrong side of 26, even if under-priced I think I'll avoid this year as I look to build a team of mainly younger premos with room to add about 5ppg.

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on December 19, 2016, 01:20:51 PM
Any chance of Archie Smith playing and flowering up Martins scoring?
I would say not Gigantor but have been wrong before. Reason I say that is that playing Hipwood, Schache, McStay/Close/Freeman as the 3 tall forwards no room for Smith.  Archie has a fair bit of work to do on his kicking as well. Andrews or Close will chop out in rucks if needed.
After attending training today I am still not 100% certain.  Archie was doing a fair amount of work with the forwards so maybe there is a possibility.  Will have to wait till next year when Stef starts training with main group as to whether this is a real possibility with Archie and stef interchanging in the forward pocket,
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: fasttrack13 on December 19, 2016, 01:52:59 PM
What happened to big Sauce Jacobs last year? and why is there no love for him this year?

Danger couldn't rove his taps this year... and spent 7% less time on ground (probably because of Jenkins) - or injury???
Surely danger doesn't make to much of a difference? 7% less time on ground if concerning how ever.
I don't believe he does. We were #1 in the comp for Centre Clearances towards the end of the year so he managed to do well there but just his work around the ground dropped, hence his decline in Dreamteam as well. Was carrying an elbow injury I'm pretty sure all year so that could've played a part. Wouldn't surprise md to see him as a top 5 ruck again but too risky imo.

It was just apart of my reasoning for not picking him last year, going to stick with it ;)

I think if i had the cash I'd pick him over Sandilands... He also dropped in hitouts from 37 to 34 from his all aus year and then 34-32 last year. Of course because of the decrease in TOG. All his other stats stayed the same pretty much. Worth it i reckon!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on December 19, 2016, 04:35:50 PM
I've currently got Gawn and Grundy, they're 24 and 22 respectively, and with pretty much every other position we assume that players around that age will improve their average with a few years under their belt, there's no reason why we can't assume rucks are the same.

Stef, Goldy, even Sauce, they're all on the wrong side of 26, even if under-priced I think I'll avoid this year as I look to build a team of mainly younger premos with room to add about 5ppg.

I understand what you're saying, but it's pretty flawed considering 27+ is when players are generally in their absolute prime and already proven

Saying you'll pick Grundy because he is 22 over Goldy who is a proven beast just seems bizarre
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: fanTCfool on December 19, 2016, 04:56:16 PM
I've currently got Gawn and Grundy, they're 24 and 22 respectively, and with pretty much every other position we assume that players around that age will improve their average with a few years under their belt, there's no reason why we can't assume rucks are the same.

Stef, Goldy, even Sauce, they're all on the wrong side of 26, even if under-priced I think I'll avoid this year as I look to build a team of mainly younger premos with room to add about 5ppg.

I understand what you're saying, but it's pretty flawed considering 27+ is when players are generally in their absolute prime and already proven

Saying you'll pick Grundy because he is 22 over Goldy who is a proven beast just seems bizarre

A proven beast maybe, but carrying Goldy at some stages last season was painful.
North were so skinny in the ruck department, they continued to play a bloke who was clearly half-shot.
At times last season I would have accepted a donut if it meant he got the week off to somewhat recover for the weeks ahead.

I don't really want to start the whole Goldy debate again, but as some will tell you, that 128.8 is statistically a one-off. Other season bests are 113s in 2011 and 2013, which are a while ago now. I don't those numbers are out of reach for Goldy, but I also don't think it is out of reach for Grundy.

At this stage I'd say they may well average quite similarly, so I personally would prefer to take the younger option who could continue to break out, or the proven beast who surely has no further improvement in him. Grundy doesn't have Goldy's injury troubles, and is starting 60k cheaper.

Maybe Goldy beats Grundy by 5ppg each and every week, not ideal, but it's only 110 points over the entire season.
The old arguement to this is that Goldy is a captaincy option and Grundy is not, and therefore it will be more than 110 points, but last year Goldy only scored above Dangerfield's average twice, Round 3 and Round 9. I don't think that Goldy will be a common captaincy choice so even a potential 5ppg gap doesn't overly worry me.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: fasttrack13 on December 19, 2016, 10:01:17 PM
I'm not sure whether it'll be this year... but grundy will rival the stats of Dean Cox, possibly better it!

- Racks them up like Cox
- Tackles like Mummy
- Averages more hitouts this year already than Cox in a season

His ruck work will only improve, been down to a few sessions for the pies and he's flying which suggests to me he will get a heavier work load than 84.6%TOG (or is at least ready for it). Add to that just the year to year improvement of stats which happens for most players, the potential is there to be the best supercoach Ruckman in the game. His actual tap work isn't great but even if he improves slightly it will be beneficial to his scores.
Wouldn't be picking him hoping he's a 105-115 type, 105 will be his ceiling... goldy can easily hit 115-120 again. Seriously he was injured part the year and averaged 108, like the improvement is pretty obvious.

*Grundy has had niggling back problems previously btw*

If you could use that 60k better somewhere else then go for it... but goldy will outscore him by 8-12 points over the year. The bloke is still a jet!!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: GoLions on December 20, 2016, 12:27:59 AM
I hate flowering around in the rucks. Goldy and Gawn, set and forget.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: DunnyBrush on December 20, 2016, 04:14:42 AM
Should be a short thread here too.
Gawn,Goldy,Gundy,Sandi (fit R1) & Martin (if willing to risk knee only feeling ''largely better'' and solo ruck duties).
Jacobs on a steady decrease since the Ruck scoring system changed a few years back, Hickey will improve but not enough to warrant selection.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: sidvicious on December 20, 2016, 06:09:24 AM
Are one of Ryder. Nankervis a must have in the Fwd line if starting Sandi at R2 ?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on December 20, 2016, 09:44:53 AM
I've currently got Gawn and Grundy, they're 24 and 22 respectively, and with pretty much every other position we assume that players around that age will improve their average with a few years under their belt, there's no reason why we can't assume rucks are the same.

Stef, Goldy, even Sauce, they're all on the wrong side of 26, even if under-priced I think I'll avoid this year as I look to build a team of mainly younger premos with room to add about 5ppg.

I understand what you're saying, but it's pretty flawed considering 27+ is when players are generally in their absolute prime and already proven

Saying you'll pick Grundy because he is 22 over Goldy who is a proven beast just seems bizarre

A proven beast maybe, but carrying Goldy at some stages last season was painful.
North were so skinny in the ruck department, they continued to play a bloke who was clearly half-shot.
At times last season I would have accepted a donut if it meant he got the week off to somewhat recover for the weeks ahead.

I don't really want to start the whole Goldy debate again, but as some will tell you, that 128.8 is statistically a one-off. Other season bests are 113s in 2011 and 2013, which are a while ago now. I don't those numbers are out of reach for Goldy, but I also don't think it is out of reach for Grundy.

At this stage I'd say they may well average quite similarly, so I personally would prefer to take the younger option who could continue to break out, or the proven beast who surely has no further improvement in him. Grundy doesn't have Goldy's injury troubles, and is starting 60k cheaper.

Maybe Goldy beats Grundy by 5ppg each and every week, not ideal, but it's only 110 points over the entire season.
The old arguement to this is that Goldy is a captaincy option and Grundy is not, and therefore it will be more than 110 points, but last year Goldy only scored above Dangerfield's average twice, Round 3 and Round 9. I don't think that Goldy will be a common captaincy choice so even a potential 5ppg gap doesn't overly worry me.

The solution is clear. Pick Goldy and Grundy.

2011: 113 average
2012: 93 but that was because Hmac stuffed him up scored big without him
2013: 113 average
2014: 107 still super solid but was injured round 1, he averaged 125 in the last 14 games!!!!
2015: 128 average
2016: averaged 128 in the first 5 weeks then got some kncoks in a game and scored 52, then averaged 123 in the next 4 and got injured as struggled a little bit for the rest of the season.


So really over 40 consecutive games being back half of 2014, all of 2015, start of 2016 he averaged 127 points. then as i said the injured 52 and then 123 points over 4 weeks.

As you said the issue is a injured goldy will still play reducing his scoring. But that just turns him from a by far the best ruck in the comp to a top 3 ruck.

He has to be picked, those numbers cant be undisputed.

If he is uninjured and has no other number 1 (no majak is not Hmac) then he has averaged 113+ in the last 6 years. When he has been fully healthy in the last 3 years he has averaged 127.

Also just look at the draw, people say its tough yeah it is for north but not for goldy.


Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Big Mac on December 20, 2016, 10:56:17 AM
I've currently got Gawn and Grundy, they're 24 and 22 respectively, and with pretty much every other position we assume that players around that age will improve their average with a few years under their belt, there's no reason why we can't assume rucks are the same.

Stef, Goldy, even Sauce, they're all on the wrong side of 26, even if under-priced I think I'll avoid this year as I look to build a team of mainly younger premos with room to add about 5ppg.

I understand what you're saying, but it's pretty flawed considering 27+ is when players are generally in their absolute prime and already proven

Saying you'll pick Grundy because he is 22 over Goldy who is a proven beast just seems bizarre

A proven beast maybe, but carrying Goldy at some stages last season was painful.
North were so skinny in the ruck department, they continued to play a bloke who was clearly half-shot.
At times last season I would have accepted a donut if it meant he got the week off to somewhat recover for the weeks ahead.

I don't really want to start the whole Goldy debate again, but as some will tell you, that 128.8 is statistically a one-off. Other season bests are 113s in 2011 and 2013, which are a while ago now. I don't those numbers are out of reach for Goldy, but I also don't think it is out of reach for Grundy.

At this stage I'd say they may well average quite similarly, so I personally would prefer to take the younger option who could continue to break out, or the proven beast who surely has no further improvement in him. Grundy doesn't have Goldy's injury troubles, and is starting 60k cheaper.

Maybe Goldy beats Grundy by 5ppg each and every week, not ideal, but it's only 110 points over the entire season.
The old arguement to this is that Goldy is a captaincy option and Grundy is not, and therefore it will be more than 110 points, but last year Goldy only scored above Dangerfield's average twice, Round 3 and Round 9. I don't think that Goldy will be a common captaincy choice so even a potential 5ppg gap doesn't overly worry me.

The solution is clear. Pick Goldy and Grundy.

2011: 113 average
2012: 93 but that was because Hmac stuffed him up scored big without him
2013: 113 average
2014: 107 still super solid but was injured round 1, he averaged 125 in the last 14 games!!!!
2015: 128 average
2016: averaged 128 in the first 5 weeks then got some kncoks in a game and scored 52, then averaged 123 in the next 4 and got injured as struggled a little bit for the rest of the season.


So really over 40 consecutive games being back half of 2014, all of 2015, start of 2016 he averaged 127 points. then as i said the injured 52 and then 123 points over 4 weeks.

As you said the issue is a injured goldy will still play reducing his scoring. But that just turns him from a by far the best ruck in the comp to a top 3 ruck.

He has to be picked, those numbers cant be undisputed.

If he is uninjured and has no other number 1 (no majak is not Hmac) then he has averaged 113+ in the last 6 years. When he has been fully healthy in the last 3 years he has averaged 127.

Also just look at the draw, people say its tough yeah it is for north but not for goldy.

Yes, everybody do this please
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on December 20, 2016, 11:12:28 AM
The solution is clear. Pick Goldy and Grundy.
le say its tough yeah it is for north but not for goldy.

Yes, everybody do this please

I kinda hope people dont as it helps me win the 50k.

show me your tema and ill show you where the 150k could be used elsewhere.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Money Shot on December 20, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
When did the rucking scoring change? I remember it happening but can't remember the year.

I really am considering Jacobs but he has been slowly declining and I'm wondering if it's since the new scoring for rucks come in.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on December 20, 2016, 11:37:33 AM
When did the rucking scoring change? I remember it happening but can't remember the year.

I really am considering Jacobs but he has been slowly declining and I'm wondering if it's since the new scoring for rucks come in.

before 2015 when everyone was saying how bad it was and that goldy was never going to match 107 then pumped out 128.

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Money Shot on December 20, 2016, 11:39:15 AM
When did the rucking scoring change? I remember it happening but can't remember the year.

I really am considering Jacobs but he has been slowly declining and I'm wondering if it's since the new scoring for rucks come in.

before 2015 when everyone was saying how bad it was and that goldy was never going to match 107 then pumped out 128.
Hahaha love it! Thanks mate.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: fasttrack13 on December 20, 2016, 11:44:25 AM
Are one of Ryder. Nankervis a must have in the Fwd line if starting Sandi at R2 ?

Its a real safety net... not a must but you dont want to rely on sandi the whole year. Plus ryder could go top 10 forward the way they're set up and im one of the few who thinks nank will do the same
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on December 20, 2016, 06:52:36 PM
Why don't you want to rely on Sandi?

2014: 21 games
2015: 21 games
2016: Collision injury that can happen to anyone.

2017: He's fully fit and will pump out another 20 games.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Jukes on December 20, 2016, 11:20:18 PM
Why don't you want to rely on Sandi?

2014: 21 games
2015: 21 games
2016: Collision injury that can happen to anyone.

2017: He's fully fit and will pump out another 20 games.

13, 12, and 7 games the three years before that though...I'd be locking him in of course, but his injury history is a cause of concern
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on December 20, 2016, 11:39:58 PM
Why don't you want to rely on Sandi?

2014: 21 games
2015: 21 games
2016: Collision injury that can happen to anyone.

2017: He's fully fit and will pump out another 20 games.

13, 12, and 7 games the three years before that though...I'd be locking him in of course, but his injury history is a cause of concern

How far do we look back though?

Besides getting his ribs busted he's been fit and playing for years so that's why he is a lock for me
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Big Mac on December 20, 2016, 11:58:23 PM
The solution is clear. Pick Goldy and Grundy.
le say its tough yeah it is for north but not for goldy.

Yes, everybody do this please

I kinda hope people dont as it helps me win the 50k.

show me your tema and ill show you where the 150k could be used elsewhere.

If the fact that Gawn averaged 23 ppg over Grundy last year isn't enough reason then how about the fact that he scored 160+ on 5 occasions. Great VC option. I don't deny that Grundy will probably improve but I can't see any situation in which Gawn declines. He will still be better than Grundy, so by starting with Grundy you're automatically not going to have the top 2 rucks by end of season without wasting a trade.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: fasttrack13 on December 21, 2016, 02:52:26 AM
The solution is clear. Pick Goldy and Grundy.
le say its tough yeah it is for north but not for goldy.

Yes, everybody do this please

I kinda hope people dont as it helps me win the 50k.

show me your tema and ill show you where the 150k could be used elsewhere.

If the fact that Gawn averaged 23 ppg over Grundy last year isn't enough reason then how about the fact that he scored 160+ on 5 occasions. Great VC option. I don't deny that Grundy will probably improve but I can't see any situation in which Gawn declines. He will still be better than Grundy, so by starting with Grundy you're automatically not going to have the top 2 rucks by end of season without wasting a trade.

traditionally top rucks don't maintain previous average, hence cause of concern over gawn for me... Jacobs, Goldy, Mumford, Minson... I think he's overpriced and will only pump out maybe 110ish. Still a better option than grundy though
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on December 21, 2016, 09:46:47 AM
Why don't you want to rely on Sandi?

2014: 21 games
2015: 21 games
2016: Collision injury that can happen to anyone.

2017: He's fully fit and will pump out another 20 games.

because he is 34 years old.

im not too happy with 20 games as a ruck. Its not too crazy to see him getting rested 2-3 games even if healthy. Remember he is 1.5 years older then when he last played 21 games.

Gawn played 22 and Goldy played 21 (one injury)







Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: enzedder on December 21, 2016, 10:10:51 AM
Why don't you want to rely on Sandi?

2014: 21 games
2015: 21 games
2016: Collision injury that can happen to anyone.

2017: He's fully fit and will pump out another 20 games.

because he is 34 years old.

im not too happy with 20 games as a ruck. Its not too crazy to see him getting rested 2-3 games even if healthy. Remember he is 1.5 years older then when he last played 21 games.

Gawn played 22 and Goldy played 21 (one injury)
Exactly this. Durable beasts...100+ every week...set and forget.
Hoping for 44 games with a non playing rookie for loophole purposes. Easy.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Jukes on December 21, 2016, 11:57:47 AM
Why don't you want to rely on Sandi?

2014: 21 games
2015: 21 games
2016: Collision injury that can happen to anyone.

2017: He's fully fit and will pump out another 20 games.

because he is 34 years old.

im not too happy with 20 games as a ruck. Its not too crazy to see him getting rested 2-3 games even if healthy. Remember he is 1.5 years older then when he last played 21 games.

Gawn played 22 and Goldy played 21 (one injury)
Exactly this. Durable beasts...100+ every week...set and forget.
Hoping for 44 games with a non playing rookie for loophole purposes. Easy.

But, the difference between Gawn and Sandi is what 300k+? I could easily see Sandi averaging about the same (5 points give or take) than Gawn and Goldy. Meanwhile, that 300k could be invested in what turning Myers/CEY/Hibberd/whoever into JPK/Neale/Parker or something like that

Would you prefer Hibberd and Gawn or Parker and Sandilands? You gotta risk it to get the biscuit...
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: enzedder on December 21, 2016, 12:52:23 PM
Why don't you want to rely on Sandi?

2014: 21 games
2015: 21 games
2016: Collision injury that can happen to anyone.

2017: He's fully fit and will pump out another 20 games.

because he is 34 years old.

im not too happy with 20 games as a ruck. Its not too crazy to see him getting rested 2-3 games even if healthy. Remember he is 1.5 years older then when he last played 21 games.

Gawn played 22 and Goldy played 21 (one injury)
Exactly this. Durable beasts...100+ every week...set and forget.
Hoping for 44 games with a non playing rookie for loophole purposes. Easy.

But, the difference between Gawn and Sandi is what 300k+? I could easily see Sandi averaging about the same (5 points give or take) than Gawn and Goldy. Meanwhile, that 300k could be invested in what turning Myers/CEY/Hibberd/whoever into JPK/Neale/Parker or something like that

Would you prefer Hibberd and Gawn or Parker and Sandilands? You gotta risk it to get the biscuit...
You can risk it and we'll get the biscuit.
Not only do you get more points by taking Gawn/Goldy you save a trade (potentially by having the best injury free rucks). Your point about starting an extra premium is valid but those who have an extra rookie(say in fwds) over a mid pricer by paying up in the rucks should also generate the cash that Sandilands might anyway.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on December 21, 2016, 02:01:25 PM
Why don't you want to rely on Sandi?

2014: 21 games
2015: 21 games
2016: Collision injury that can happen to anyone.

2017: He's fully fit and will pump out another 20 games.

because he is 34 years old.

im not too happy with 20 games as a ruck. Its not too crazy to see him getting rested 2-3 games even if healthy. Remember he is 1.5 years older then when he last played 21 games.

Gawn played 22 and Goldy played 21 (one injury)
Exactly this. Durable beasts...100+ every week...set and forget.
Hoping for 44 games with a non playing rookie for loophole purposes. Easy.

But, the difference between Gawn and Sandi is what 300k+? I could easily see Sandi averaging about the same (5 points give or take) than Gawn and Goldy. Meanwhile, that 300k could be invested in what turning Myers/CEY/Hibberd/whoever into JPK/Neale/Parker or something like that

Would you prefer Hibberd and Gawn or Parker and Sandilands? You gotta risk it to get the biscuit...

Geez thats a huge call.

1 year and a half ago as a 32 year old playing for a top 2 team in the comp he averaged 107.5

Given he is now 34 and playing for a team that was bottom 4 (despite being better then that in reality)

You either expect Gawn to fall big and Goldy not to go back to his superstar status. Gawn beat 2015 Sandi bya healthy 10.5 points and you would expect that margin to grow.

So lets call it 15 and Add to that he should be rested a few games so if you put in a 60 cover for 2 games. Thats 416 points lost or 19 per week.

take out the fact it could cost you a trade.

The myers/hibberd/cey into JPK/NealeParker bit is abit of a joke.

1. Myers is like 130k so it could maybe get you to a marc murphy.
2. Hibberd is a defender so your taking JPK + def rookie over Hibberd + mid rookie.

the real situation is you can go Hibberd + Sandi or Gawn + Def Rookie i know which of those ill take.







Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: fasttrack13 on December 21, 2016, 08:39:42 PM
Why don't you want to rely on Sandi?

2014: 21 games
2015: 21 games
2016: Collision injury that can happen to anyone.

2017: He's fully fit and will pump out another 20 games.

because he is 34 years old.

im not too happy with 20 games as a ruck. Its not too crazy to see him getting rested 2-3 games even if healthy. Remember he is 1.5 years older then when he last played 21 games.

Gawn played 22 and Goldy played 21 (one injury)
Exactly this. Durable beasts...100+ every week...set and forget.
Hoping for 44 games with a non playing rookie for loophole purposes. Easy.

But, the difference between Gawn and Sandi is what 300k+? I could easily see Sandi averaging about the same (5 points give or take) than Gawn and Goldy. Meanwhile, that 300k could be invested in what turning Myers/CEY/Hibberd/whoever into JPK/Neale/Parker or something like that

Would you prefer Hibberd and Gawn or Parker and Sandilands? You gotta risk it to get the biscuit...

Geez thats a huge call.

1 year and a half ago as a 32 year old playing for a top 2 team in the comp he averaged 107.5

Given he is now 34 and playing for a team that was bottom 4 (despite being better then that in reality)

You either expect Gawn to fall big and Goldy not to go back to his superstar status. Gawn beat 2015 Sandi bya healthy 10.5 points and you would expect that margin to grow.

So lets call it 15 and Add to that he should be rested a few games so if you put in a 60 cover for 2 games. Thats 416 points lost or 19 per week.

take out the fact it could cost you a trade.

The myers/hibberd/cey into JPK/NealeParker bit is abit of a joke.

1. Myers is like 130k so it could maybe get you to a marc murphy.
2. Hibberd is a defender so your taking JPK + def rookie over Hibberd + mid rookie.

the real situation is you can go Hibberd + Sandi or Gawn + Def Rookie i know which of those ill take.
I'd say most people would be trading sandi to gawn before his bye...  You'd only lose 200ish points that way, i think you'd probably get that back easily considering its about 340k between the two.
Most would drop from 5 midfield premiums to 4, to try and get d.swallow (to allow gawn) who's probably only going to average 85-90 compared to the likes of rockliff/kennedy/hanners/parker who all go to 20-30 points better.
Then say you traded swallow out at the same time, you're still in a better position than when you had gawn.

so partially agree, all depends on where you use the cash from having sandi over gawn
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on December 22, 2016, 09:08:54 AM
Why don't you want to rely on Sandi?

2014: 21 games
2015: 21 games
2016: Collision injury that can happen to anyone.

2017: He's fully fit and will pump out another 20 games.

because he is 34 years old.

im not too happy with 20 games as a ruck. Its not too crazy to see him getting rested 2-3 games even if healthy. Remember he is 1.5 years older then when he last played 21 games.

Gawn played 22 and Goldy played 21 (one injury)
Exactly this. Durable beasts...100+ every week...set and forget.
Hoping for 44 games with a non playing rookie for loophole purposes. Easy.

But, the difference between Gawn and Sandi is what 300k+? I could easily see Sandi averaging about the same (5 points give or take) than Gawn and Goldy. Meanwhile, that 300k could be invested in what turning Myers/CEY/Hibberd/whoever into JPK/Neale/Parker or something like that

Would you prefer Hibberd and Gawn or Parker and Sandilands? You gotta risk it to get the biscuit...

Geez thats a huge call.

1 year and a half ago as a 32 year old playing for a top 2 team in the comp he averaged 107.5

Given he is now 34 and playing for a team that was bottom 4 (despite being better then that in reality)

You either expect Gawn to fall big and Goldy not to go back to his superstar status. Gawn beat 2015 Sandi bya healthy 10.5 points and you would expect that margin to grow.

So lets call it 15 and Add to that he should be rested a few games so if you put in a 60 cover for 2 games. Thats 416 points lost or 19 per week.

take out the fact it could cost you a trade.

The myers/hibberd/cey into JPK/NealeParker bit is abit of a joke.

1. Myers is like 130k so it could maybe get you to a marc murphy.
2. Hibberd is a defender so your taking JPK + def rookie over Hibberd + mid rookie.

the real situation is you can go Hibberd + Sandi or Gawn + Def Rookie i know which of those ill take.
I'd say most people would be trading sandi to gawn before his bye...  You'd only lose 200ish points that way, i think you'd probably get that back easily considering its about 340k between the two.
Most would drop from 5 midfield premiums to 4, to try and get d.swallow (to allow gawn) who's probably only going to average 85-90 compared to the likes of rockliff/kennedy/hanners/parker who all go to 20-30 points better.
Then say you traded swallow out at the same time, you're still in a better position than when you had gawn.

so partially agree, all depends on where you use the cash from having sandi over gawn

totally agree but the thing is i reckon most people who have sandi in the ruck have ryder up front (who i dont love so your compromising abit there as i reckon say Gawn McGluggage is better then Sandi Ryder. The other thing is if your ruck misses and you dont have ryder up front then your likely going to burn a trade and there isnt any good R3 i see. The worse scenario is what if you pick up a 1 week injury with Sandi you likely eat a donut or burn a trade.

If say you punt on a fwd def or mid - mid pricer then you just play a rookie for the week of the bench and dont take too big a hit.

The reason i dont take risks in the rucks is there is only 1 bench cover and they typically dont play or if they do they suck. I dont love any F/R
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on December 22, 2016, 09:13:17 AM
Slight derail, but didn't think the topic needed it's own thread

3rd Man Up has been scrapped now, so that rucks will be able to apply their craft and battle 1 v 1, however do we think any of these guys will now drop in average?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0LgInmUoAAOfaF.jpg)

From a #SuperCoach perspective, Fyfe had the best HTA% from 3rd man up HO since 2013 (41.4%). Bont next best with 41.2% and Parker 40.3%.

Do we think these guys scoring will drop a bit now?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on December 22, 2016, 09:18:07 AM
Slight derail, but didn't think the topic needed it's own thread

3rd Man Up has been scrapped now, so that rucks will be able to apply their craft and battle 1 v 1, however do we think any of these guys will now drop in average?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0LgInmUoAAOfaF.jpg)

From a #SuperCoach perspective, Fyfe had the best HTA% from 3rd man up HO since 2013 (41.4%). Bont next best with 41.2% and Parker 40.3%.

Do we think these guys scoring will drop a bit now?

Blicavs maybe but the big thing is the elite rucks like Goldy Gawn Sandi actually should go even better. Sandi is a great pick i just dont like his age, team and the fact he is coming off injury. Give me a 28 year old healthy Sandi and i see him going 120+
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Money Shot on December 22, 2016, 09:19:41 AM
Only thing is can see happening is an increase in Zac Smith/Rhys Stanley's scores and a decrease in Blicavs score. Apart from that it won't make a huge difference as Wines and Bont will probably make up for the loss of points by roving and getting a contested possession anyways.

When I heard the rule I had a look at it my self but I don't really think Smith/Stanley are that relevant in terms of SuperCoach anyways.

Also back to the old convo I think Ryder is a great choice and I would be picking him even if I didn't have Sandi. Lobbe is out of favour and Trengrove is much better playing as a defender. This means Ryder can come in and do 80% of the ruck work and then sneak forward and kick a goal.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on December 22, 2016, 09:21:32 AM
Only thing is can see happening is an increase in Zac Smith/Rhys Stanley's scores and a decrease in Blicavs score. Apart from that it won't make a huge difference as Wines and Bont will probably make up for the loss of points by roving and getting a contested possession anyways.

When I heard the rule I had a look at it my self but I don't really think Smith/Stanley are that relevant in terms of SuperCoach anyways.

Also back to the old convo I think Ryder is a great choice and I would be picking him even if I didn't have Sandi. Lobbe is out of favour and Trengrove is much better playing as a defender. This means Ryder can come in and do 80% of the ruck work and then sneak forward and kick a goal.

Agree with all of this

Good point you make about Bont, Wines etc too
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Money Shot on December 22, 2016, 09:23:12 AM
Only thing is can see happening is an increase in Zac Smith/Rhys Stanley's scores and a decrease in Blicavs score. Apart from that it won't make a huge difference as Wines and Bont will probably make up for the loss of points by roving and getting a contested possession anyways.

When I heard the rule I had a look at it my self but I don't really think Smith/Stanley are that relevant in terms of SuperCoach anyways.

Also back to the old convo I think Ryder is a great choice and I would be picking him even if I didn't have Sandi. Lobbe is out of favour and Trengrove is much better playing as a defender. This means Ryder can come in and do 80% of the ruck work and then sneak forward and kick a goal.

Agree with all of this

Good point you make about Bont, Wines etc too
Thanks mate! One Thing you might not agree with is I'm going for Jacobs and Sandi in the ruck at this stage. ::)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: _wato on February 16, 2017, 06:15:53 PM
Got some interesting info today scanning across Fantasy Freako Twitter and BF forums.

Hitout win % from 2016 - Sandi 62%, NN 58%, Gawn 54%, Hampson 52%, Goldy 48%
HOTA % from 2016 - Nank 38%, Gawn 34%, NN 33%, Mummy 33%, Naismith 32%

Then with the rule changes in play, a quick look at opposition % of third man up from 2016

Gawn - 10% of his nearly 1200 contests had opposition third man up, only Michael Naismith West higher.

Teammate % of third man up - Gawn, NN, Goldy, Lycett among the lowest at 2% or thereabouts. Highest was Hickey, Stanley, Smith

What does all this mean?
Gawn is by far a lock
Hickey very interesting considering high teammate % third man up despite high HOA rates.
Goldy doesn't look good on these stats. Grundy was ranked 20th in hitout win %.
Mummy could be an option - ranked third in hitout average (34.74) and third in HOTA (33.3%) and had Griffen and Ward who finished top 10 in players who went third man up... who will outmuscle him, he's a giant.

Just food for thought !!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Mantis on February 16, 2017, 07:01:09 PM
What are peoples thoughts on Mumford?. I know he's injury prone but can see Gawn and Mumford really benefitting from this new rule. Both beasts and great tap ruckman. Sandi should also benefit from the new rule but I'm more worried about injury with him than Mumford
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on February 16, 2017, 07:55:10 PM
Another way to look at the stats is gawn was the 2nd best hitouts and 3rd most HTA. If he slips a lottle he will drop average.

Goldy by his standards wasnt very high in either category yet averaged 108. So that means if he goes back to elite in these categories he has a big scope to increase.

Goldy Gawn locked.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: EazyMoney on February 16, 2017, 08:10:19 PM
Another way to look at the stats is gawn was the 2nd best hitouts and 3rd most HTA. If he slips a lottle he will drop average.

Goldy by his standards wasnt very high in either category yet averaged 108. So that means if he goes back to elite in these categories he has a big scope to increase.

Goldy Gawn locked.

Set and forget for season 2017!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 16, 2017, 09:47:21 PM
I've had Gawn and Sandi since Dec and haven't changed once

What to do for cover is killing me though!

Ryder/Lycett as F3, or Witts/Vardy as R3, meaning I don't need either Ryder or Lycett taking up a fwd spot. Witts/Vardy can be downgraded to Strnadica once they've made money and provided enough cover

No idea which way to go

Besides Dahl and Macrae, I don't like any of the other 460k+ forwards to start with, so it's either Ryder/Lycett or Heeney

Other option is to start Witts/Vardy R3 and then go with WHE/Turner/Glugg/Bowes etc from F3 onwards, then load up other lines

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on February 16, 2017, 10:50:43 PM
I've had Gawn and Sandi since Dec and haven't changed once

What to do for cover is killing me though!

Ryder/Lycett as F3, or Witts/Vardy as R3, meaning I don't need either Ryder or Lycett taking up a fwd spot. Witts/Vardy can be downgraded to Strnadica once they've made money and provided enough cover

No idea which way to go

Besides Dahl and Macrae, I don't like any of the other 460k+ forwards to start with, so it's either Ryder/Lycett or Heeney

Other option is to start Witts/Vardy R3 and then go with WHE/Turner/Glugg/Bowes etc from F3 onwards, then load up other lines
whe looked good tonight/   not sure how it converted to points though.
will sandi stay upright long enough to make stepping stone to goldy/grundy mummy/stef?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: AaronKirk on February 16, 2017, 11:00:17 PM
I've had Gawn and Sandi since Dec and haven't changed once

What to do for cover is killing me though!

Ryder/Lycett as F3, or Witts/Vardy as R3, meaning I don't need either Ryder or Lycett taking up a fwd spot. Witts/Vardy can be downgraded to Strnadica once they've made money and provided enough cover

No idea which way to go

Besides Dahl and Macrae, I don't like any of the other 460k+ forwards to start with, so it's either Ryder/Lycett or Heeney

Other option is to start Witts/Vardy R3 and then go with WHE/Turner/Glugg/Bowes etc from F3 onwards, then load up other lines

I have Gawn/Sandi and Witts R3. Happy to go with that till we see any evidence that Nicholls will be playing come the start of the season.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on February 20, 2017, 10:23:48 AM
Nth Melbourne: "He's going to give himself every chance to play a game" Leigh Tudor on Braydon Preuss' efforts

Looks like we may have a R3 who is going to make money and be a back up to Goldy. Handy loophole as well with North playing 8 Sunday Games and 4 Saturday Night games - not quite as good as Strnadica but not bad at all.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on February 20, 2017, 10:30:57 AM
Nth Melbourne: "He's going to give himself every chance to play a game" Leigh Tudor on Braydon Preuss' efforts

Looks like we may have a R3 who is going to make money and be a back up to Goldy. Handy loophole as well with North playing 8 Sunday Games and 4 Saturday Night games - not quite as good as Strnadica but not bad at all.

Only thing is he is not DPP so if he is not playing and R1 or 2 miss a week even if you have a R/F in your FWD's or plan to trade one in he is no good
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on February 20, 2017, 11:15:14 AM
Nth Melbourne: "He's going to give himself every chance to play a game" Leigh Tudor on Braydon Preuss' efforts

Looks like we may have a R3 who is going to make money and be a back up to Goldy. Handy loophole as well with North playing 8 Sunday Games and 4 Saturday Night games - not quite as good as Strnadica but not bad at all.

have seriously considered him the loss of DPP is big though. Certainly one to consider if you have Goldy and essentially it means you get 21 games from your R1
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: sammy123 on February 20, 2017, 11:47:35 AM
I've had Gawn and Sandi since Dec and haven't changed once

What to do for cover is killing me though!

Ryder/Lycett as F3, or Witts/Vardy as R3, meaning I don't need either Ryder or Lycett taking up a fwd spot. Witts/Vardy can be downgraded to Strnadica once they've made money and provided enough cover

No idea which way to go

Besides Dahl and Macrae, I don't like any of the other 460k+ forwards to start with, so it's either Ryder/Lycett or Heeney

Other option is to start Witts/Vardy R3 and then go with WHE/Turner/Glugg/Bowes etc from F3 onwards, then load up other lines

I have Gawn/Sandi and Witts R3. Happy to go with that till we see any evidence that Nicholls will be playing come the start of the season.

what if currie plays?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on February 20, 2017, 01:12:48 PM
I've had Gawn and Sandi since Dec and haven't changed once

What to do for cover is killing me though!

Ryder/Lycett as F3, or Witts/Vardy as R3, meaning I don't need either Ryder or Lycett taking up a fwd spot. Witts/Vardy can be downgraded to Strnadica once they've made money and provided enough cover

No idea which way to go

Besides Dahl and Macrae, I don't like any of the other 460k+ forwards to start with, so it's either Ryder/Lycett or Heeney

Other option is to start Witts/Vardy R3 and then go with WHE/Turner/Glugg/Bowes etc from F3 onwards, then load up other lines

I have Gawn/Sandi and Witts R3. Happy to go with that till we see any evidence that Nicholls will be playing come the start of the season.

what if currie plays?
Because of Days injury this from Rocket in his press conference:
Gold Coast: "By getting injuries Dan was only meant to play a half.. he's had some tendinitis in his knee" Rodney Eade on Dan Currie
Currie did only spend 69% TOG compared to Witts 66 so obviusly some concern there for Witts if Currie is fit.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on February 20, 2017, 01:21:04 PM
Ringo,  what is the likelihood of archie and stef playing together for most of the year.   Secondly what impact do you see archie having on stef scoring if he plays.     At the moment I need stef to play by himself.   Means I can go without R/F in fwd line.     Cannot afford Goldy without changing my other lines.    Carried Stef all of last year and it hurt like hell.   Do not want another year of it.    If desperate can start Sandi and go with whatever R3 is getting a game I suppose.   
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on February 20, 2017, 01:36:48 PM
Ringo,  what is the likelihood of archie and stef playing together for most of the year.   Secondly what impact do you see archie having on stef scoring if he plays.     At the moment I need stef to play by himself.   Means I can go without R/F in fwd line.     Cannot afford Goldy without changing my other lines.    Carried Stef all of last year and it hurt like hell.   Do not want another year of it.    If desperate can start Sandi and go with whatever R3 is getting a game I suppose.   
From what I observed in JLT 1 they appeared to be sharing the ruck duties (Their combined TOG adds up to 100% which confirms observation) with resting time on bench. Whether we can afford that luxury in seasons proper I doubt so expect Stef to be sole ruck. Neither of them imo are good enough to be a resting forward when we have others available. Schache, Hipwood, Close, Freeman and Walker all options up forward. 
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Fid on February 20, 2017, 05:02:17 PM
Goldy Gawn locked for me as well.

Still considering Ryder as a forward option as well
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: petefisker on February 22, 2017, 02:16:45 PM
Officially back to the drawing board with R2.
How long will doggies roughead be out for? 8 weeks? I'm leaning towards Tom Boyd as a viable option now.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Keeper27 on February 22, 2017, 02:49:22 PM
with injury setbacks and possible shared duties, i think my initial Ruck set up of Gawn/Grundy is the way to go.
set and forget.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Grufflez on February 23, 2017, 02:33:02 AM
So who thinks that North Melbourne's decline, he's recent ankle problem, and he's reported knee issues from last season are all pointing to a good year for Todd Goldstein? 588k isn't cheap either.

So we are backing him in purely on history and hoping that changes bounce off him like superman?

To be honest i am a little concerned, particularly with North Melbourne's rebuild starting, as like most players Goldy scores less in loses.

I am still thinking about a cheap R2/R3 Sandilands/Witts combo atm.

Mumford is interesting after posting his first solid 21 game season last year, anyone know how often Rory Lobb chopped Mummy out?
I can really see a Martin or Mumford matching Goldies reduced output this year, and with a cloud over Goldsteins best past quality (durability) this might be the year to back Mummy in, thoughts?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 23, 2017, 08:28:25 AM
Haven't changed from Gawn Sandi since day dot 

Locked and loaded

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on February 23, 2017, 09:18:55 AM
So who thinks that North Melbourne's decline, he's recent ankle problem, and he's reported knee issues from last season are all pointing to a good year for Todd Goldstein? 588k isn't cheap either.

So we are backing him in purely on history and hoping that changes bounce off him like superman?


We are backing him on how fantastic a ruck he is.

2011: 113
2012: 93 but this was destroyed by Hmac sharing ruck duties.
2013: 113
2014: 107 again playing with an injury for a month remove that and 113+
2015: 128
2016: 108 playing with a bad knee for most of the year. he averaged 115 for the first 10 even with a knee knock causing a 50.

so basically in the last 6 years playing as sole ruck he has averaged a minimum of 113 (recently its much higher). He has played through injury a few times which has hurt his average.

Im not worried about his ankle if he hurt his ankle round 5 he would play through it and average 95-105. Its fantastic that this happend during the preseason and not the season.

also north is not going to be that bad he averaged 113 when they finished 10th and he is a better player now then he was then. Yes north lost some experience but firito and petrie arent that big a loss.

yes Wells Boomer NDS out hurts but we do have some talent looking to break in.

I reckon backing a player in on 6 years of history is a smarter move then saying a top 10 player will stop being elite because of a minor ankle injury add to the fact he no longer has to have 3rd man's up jumping all over him.

I dont understand how you can question bascially the most solid ruck premium since Dean Cox but then consider Sandilands a 34 year old riddled with injury, mumford a guy called mummy because he is always wrapped up in bandages.

Goldy's best quality isnt his durability its his scoring.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: LordSneeze on February 23, 2017, 09:22:57 AM
So who thinks that North Melbourne's decline, he's recent ankle problem, and he's reported knee issues from last season are all pointing to a good year for Todd Goldstein? 588k isn't cheap either.

So we are backing him in purely on history and hoping that changes bounce off him like superman?

To be honest i am a little concerned, particularly with North Melbourne's rebuild starting, as like most players Goldy scores less in loses.

I am still thinking about a cheap R2/R3 Sandilands/Witts combo atm.

Mumford is interesting after posting his first solid 21 game season last year, anyone know how often Rory Lobb chopped Mummy out?
I can really see a Martin or Mumford matching Goldies reduced output this year, and with a cloud over Goldsteins best past quality (durability) this might be the year to back Mummy in, thoughts?

Remember that there is a set number of points allocated to each match. Who else in the North team will actually score enough to take points away from Goldy?

Wells Boomer NDS all gone means there are points to be allocated to other players. I cannot see Goldy being any worse. Only concern is injury and missing games, but historically he has played through injuries.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on February 23, 2017, 09:52:48 AM
So who thinks that North Melbourne's decline, he's recent ankle problem, and he's reported knee issues from last season are all pointing to a good year for Todd Goldstein? 588k isn't cheap either.

So we are backing him in purely on history and hoping that changes bounce off him like superman?

To be honest i am a little concerned, particularly with North Melbourne's rebuild starting, as like most players Goldy scores less in loses.

I am still thinking about a cheap R2/R3 Sandilands/Witts combo atm.

Mumford is interesting after posting his first solid 21 game season last year, anyone know how often Rory Lobb chopped Mummy out?
I can really see a Martin or Mumford matching Goldies reduced output this year, and with a cloud over Goldsteins best past quality (durability) this might be the year to back Mummy in, thoughts?

Remember that there is a set number of points allocated to each match. Who else in the North team will actually score enough to take points away from Goldy?

Wells Boomer NDS all gone means there are points to be allocated to other players. I cannot see Goldy being any worse. Only concern is injury and missing games, but historically he has played through injuries.

i dont know what the best stat is to see who wins the ball for the ruck but im going with 3 indicators (center clearances,contested possessions and stopages.

the number is where they rank in AFL

22 Swallow
32 Ben Cunnington
40 Jack Ziebel
49 Daniel Wells

22 Ben Cunnington
24 Andrew Swallow
38 Jack Ziebel
48 Daniel Wells

9 Ben Cunnington
11 Daniel Wells
39 Andrew Swallow
46 Jack Ziebel

so based on that it pretty clear to me Cunner Swallow and JZ are his main guys and he still has them. Boomer NDS really shouldnt affect him too much, Wells will abit but there are some good guys coming in.

just an interesting fact the games Wells missed Goldy scored 105 173 99 110.

He will be fine.

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 23, 2017, 09:59:01 AM
Agree, can't see any reason why Goldy won't average 105-115

I just think Sandi can go 105-110 for 250k cheaper, which I prefer
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: LordSneeze on February 23, 2017, 10:01:37 AM
Agree, can't see any reason why Goldy won't average 105-115

I just think Sandi can go 105-110 for 250k cheaper, which I prefer
Might all come down to rookie availability for me. If I need cash to for rookies or MP, then I might need to go Sandi.
Id likely drop Gawn though as I can see him dropping slightly, where I can only see Goldy improving.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on February 23, 2017, 10:23:24 AM
Agree, can't see any reason why Goldy won't average 105-115

I just think Sandi can go 105-110 for 250k cheaper, which I prefer
Might all come down to rookie availability for me. If I need cash to for rookies or MP, then I might need to go Sandi.
Id likely drop Gawn though as I can see him dropping slightly, where I can only see Goldy improving.
With Raisy on this one.   
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on February 23, 2017, 10:32:32 AM
Agree, can't see any reason why Goldy won't average 105-115

I just think Sandi can go 105-110 for 250k cheaper, which I prefer

Thats delusional Sandi's best every year was 114 7 years ago at the age of 27.

He hasnt reached 108 in the last 4 years and is currently 34 battling through a calf strain injury and is no longer playing for an elite team.

yeah he went 107 2 years ago but this was a 32 year old playing for the best team in the comp.

at best you can expect 100-105 thats assuming he doesnt get injured.

but if we assume goldy doesnt get injured (much much higher chance) then history says expect around 115.

so i see it as high chance of 110-115 with a low chance of maybe 95-105 or

 low chance of 100-105 with a high chance of sub 100 or trade out. 
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 23, 2017, 10:41:42 AM
Agree, can't see any reason why Goldy won't average 105-115

I just think Sandi can go 105-110 for 250k cheaper, which I prefer

Thats delusional Sandi's best every year was 114 7 years ago at the age of 27.

He hasnt reached 108 in the last 4 years and is currently 34 battling through a calf strain injury and is no longer playing for an elite team.

yeah he went 107 2 years ago but this was a 32 year old playing for the best team in the comp.

at best you can expect 100-105 thats assuming he doesnt get injured.

but if we assume goldy doesnt get injured (much much higher chance) then history says expect around 115.

so i see it as high chance of 110-115 with a low chance of maybe 95-105 or

 low chance of 100-105 with a high chance of sub 100 or trade out.

I think you're the delusional one

2016 - 5 games, copped NicNat knee which was just bad luck
2015  - 21 games at 107.8
2014 - 21 games at 108

And I don't buy this age crap for a second. He's part of the leadership team, has trained all pre season except the last week or two with calf

Ablett, NROO, Montags, Hodge, Gibbo, Shaw, Priddis, Boyd, Bob, Smitch the list goes on there's heaps of guns playing in their mid 30's

Besides last years unfortunate NN knee to ribs, his 2 seasons prior where 108 missing 1 game a year

I'll take that for 300k thanks
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 23, 2017, 10:48:01 AM
Sandi + Ryder vs Goldy + FWD rookie

Sandi 105
Ryder 90 (conservative)

195, 200 not out of the question

Goldy 110
Rookie 65

175

Not to mention Ryder could be good enough for F6 all year and provide year round ruck cover

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 23, 2017, 10:49:55 AM
And while were talking rucks, I keep hearing more and more good things coming out of Richmond about Nank

Another article today about how great he is going, and even though he only played a handful of games last year he was actually Ranked #1 for HOTA

Ryder vs Nank + 50k?

Reckon the next 2 weeks JLT will be the decider, but going with Ryder for now as he has the runs on the board
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on February 23, 2017, 10:58:55 AM
Agree, can't see any reason why Goldy won't average 105-115

I just think Sandi can go 105-110 for 250k cheaper, which I prefer

Thats delusional Sandi's best every year was 114 7 years ago at the age of 27.

He hasnt reached 108 in the last 4 years and is currently 34 battling through a calf strain injury and is no longer playing for an elite team.

yeah he went 107 2 years ago but this was a 32 year old playing for the best team in the comp.

at best you can expect 100-105 thats assuming he doesnt get injured.

but if we assume goldy doesnt get injured (much much higher chance) then history says expect around 115.

so i see it as high chance of 110-115 with a low chance of maybe 95-105 or

 low chance of 100-105 with a high chance of sub 100 or trade out.

I think you're the delusional one

2016 - 5 games, copped NicNat knee which was just bad luck
2015  - 21 games at 107.8
2014 - 21 games at 108

And I don't buy this age crap for a second. He's part of the leadership team, has trained all pre season except the last week or two with calf

Ablett, NROO, Montags, Hodge, Gibbo, Shaw, Priddis, Boyd, Bob, Smitch the list goes on there's heaps of guns playing in their mid 30's

Besides last years unfortunate NN knee to ribs, his 2 seasons prior where 108 missing 1 game a year

I'll take that for 300k thanks

every single player you named are ball winners and mainly mids.

they arent 2.11cm 120kg even the great Dean Cox tappered off abit.


29: 122
30: 112
31: 107
32: 89

what your asking sandilands to do is basically never been done before. add in to the fact he is the biggest elite ruck the game has ever had coming off an injury.

I guess we will see, its certainly possibly sandilands can average 105-110. But its 1 in a 100, there still a shot so you could be right.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on February 23, 2017, 11:02:55 AM
Sandi + Ryder vs Goldy + FWD rookie

Sandi 105
Ryder 90 (conservative)

195, 200 not out of the question

Goldy 110
Rookie 65

175

Not to mention Ryder could be good enough for F6 all year and provide year round ruck cover

or sanid averages 95 and get injured, ryder put ups 80-85 and is that annoying guy underpeforming on your team. Goldy gets healthy bounce back to 115-120 and your kicking yourself. Meanwhile my rookie makes 200k and i double trade him up to a real fwd premo over Ryder.

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ricochet on February 23, 2017, 11:05:54 AM
And while were talking rucks, I keep hearing more and more good things coming out of Richmond about Nank

Another article today about how great he is going, and even though he only played a handful of games last year he was actually Ranked #1 for HOTA
Yes but he also had elite mids at his feet to tap to. JPK Hanners Parker TMitch are a step above Richmond's

He also only averaged 14 HO's a game. Which ranks him at #37 in the comp...

Obviously time in the middle affects this and he should improve at Richmond, but that HOTA stat that is floating around is a little misleading
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: jfitty on February 23, 2017, 12:00:05 PM
And while were talking rucks, I keep hearing more and more good things coming out of Richmond about Nank

Another article today about how great he is going, and even though he only played a handful of games last year he was actually Ranked #1 for HOTA

Ryder vs Nank + 50k?

Reckon the next 2 weeks JLT will be the decider, but going with Ryder for now as he has the runs on the board

I've had a bit of a think about Nankervis, but might depend how Richmond structure their rucks. Without Vickery they may run with both Nank and Hampson, but if Nank rucks on his own he could be worth considering.

An Ivan Maric 2012 style season would be nice ;D
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 23, 2017, 12:54:48 PM
To be honest, I couldn't see myself every actually starting someone like Nank

Holz - there's if and maybe's to both sides, so we just have to make our own decision and go with it, and then see how we go
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on February 23, 2017, 12:56:15 PM
Sandi + Ryder vs Goldy + FWD rookie

Sandi 105
Ryder 90 (conservative)

195, 200 not out of the question

Goldy 110
Rookie 65

175

Not to mention Ryder could be good enough for F6 all year and provide year round ruck cover

or sanid averages 95 and get injured, ryder put ups 80-85 and is that annoying guy underpeforming on your team. Goldy gets healthy bounce back to 115-120 and your kicking yourself. Meanwhile my rookie makes 200k and i double trade him up to a real fwd premo over Ryder.
Who is this "real fwd premo" you refer to Holz?    One of my problems this year has been finding fwds who I class as premium.    At the moment that is Dahlhous and ........      all the other fwds have question marks over their ability to get to 95+ which is what I would want from fwd premo.     My goal at year end would be 105, 100,100, 95, 95, 90.       How many people will be in that position come end of season?   On that basis Ryder is high probability to be no worse than F6 and probably f4/5 with a 20/1 chance of 100+
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on February 23, 2017, 01:07:09 PM
Who is this "real fwd premo" you refer to Holz?    One of my problems this year has been finding fwds who I class as premium.    At the moment that is Dahlhous and ........      all the other fwds have question marks over their ability to get to 95+ which is what I would want from fwd premo.     My goal at year end would be 105, 100,100, 95, 95, 90.       How many people will be in that position come end of season?   On that basis Ryder is high probability to be no worse than F6 and probably f4/5 with a 20/1 chance of 100+

I don't know that why im not picking one, I will know by round 8 who it is though.

Nroo
Lids
JJK
Buddy
Macrae
Tom Lynch
Gunston
Greene
Caddy
Westhoff
Wingard

looking at all those guys. The top 7 in particular i really like.

Lynch is improving every year and GC should get better you would think he is a shot at going 95-100. i reckon thats worth the 80k over ryder.

Remember Ryder did only average 85 in his first year at port. 420k for 85 and 500k for 95 ill take the 95.

Macrae has gone 100 twice if he looks like he can do that again then worth the 90k over ryder easy.

Lids who knows if fit could average 85-110.

Nroo coming off a 100 back it up a must have.

Buddy we all know what he can do has a great engine room might start a little slow as not 100% but easily able to average 100 from round 4 onwards for example.

Gunston average 97 the year before, 92 last year depends how hawks and roughy go he averaged 97 with roughy in the squad, if tom mitchell and JOM intergrate into the side hawks could be very very deadly.

So there is 8 guys i can easily see scoring 90+ and probably 95+.

If you think Ryder goes 90+ pick him.

but a 80-85 will not cut it.

The good thing is guys like Lynch Nroo Buddy JJK often have a few quiet games and drop in price to 450kish so 420k isnt a steal.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Gavdroid on February 23, 2017, 01:33:59 PM
And while were talking rucks, I keep hearing more and more good things coming out of Richmond about Nank

Another article today about how great he is going, and even though he only played a handful of games last year he was actually Ranked #1 for HTA

So was Hampson when we got him though, so not sure it makes a great deal of difference. He'll be better fwd than Hampson though
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on February 23, 2017, 01:49:35 PM
Sandi will last approximately 3 rounds before he misses.

Clearly Tom Boyd is the best value for money option now that his premiership winning partner has gone down. He'll assume the role of #1 ruck not only at WB but in the entire AFL. And win the Coleman medal while he's at it.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on February 23, 2017, 02:29:00 PM
I am actually warming to Boyd following the injury- Will have to discard one of macrae or Dahlhaus to fit though.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 23, 2017, 02:55:08 PM
Enjoy the 70 average and 40k price rise :P
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on February 23, 2017, 03:06:00 PM
I am actually warming to Boyd following the injury- Will have to discard one of macrae or Dahlhaus to fit though.
Can we have a breath test in Qld please.    Lot of prayer required to se Boyd get above 80.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on February 23, 2017, 03:34:51 PM
I am actually warming to Boyd following the injury- Will have to discard one of macrae or Dahlhaus to fit though.
Can we have a breath test in Qld please.    Lot of prayer required to se Boyd get above 80.
Only said warming - based on price and what I need structure rise. Still prefer Ryder if I can fit in.
Hard to remember he was a number 1 draft pick 3 years ago.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Hippo on February 23, 2017, 03:59:12 PM
Who is this "real fwd premo" you refer to Holz?    One of my problems this year has been finding fwds who I class as premium.    At the moment that is Dahlhous and ........      all the other fwds have question marks over their ability to get to 95+ which is what I would want from fwd premo.     My goal at year end would be 105, 100,100, 95, 95, 90.       How many people will be in that position come end of season?   On that basis Ryder is high probability to be no worse than F6 and probably f4/5 with a 20/1 chance of 100+

I don't know that why im not picking one, I will know by round 8 who it is though.

Nroo
Lids
JJK
Buddy
Macrae
Tom Lynch
Gunston
Greene
Caddy
Westhoff
Wingard

looking at all those guys. The top 7 in particular i really like.

Lynch is improving every year and GC should get better you would think he is a shot at going 95-100. i reckon thats worth the 80k over ryder.

Remember Ryder did only average 85 in his first year at port. 420k for 85 and 500k for 95 ill take the 95.

Macrae has gone 100 twice if he looks like he can do that again then worth the 90k over ryder easy.

Lids who knows if fit could average 85-110.

Nroo coming off a 100 back it up a must have.

Buddy we all know what he can do has a great engine room might start a little slow as not 100% but easily able to average 100 from round 4 onwards for example.

Gunston average 97 the year before, 92 last year depends how hawks and roughy go he averaged 97 with roughy in the squad, if tom mitchell and JOM intergrate into the side hawks could be very very deadly.

So there is 8 guys i can easily see scoring 90+ and probably 95+.

If you think Ryder goes 90+ pick him.

but a 80-85 will not cut it.

The good thing is guys like Lynch Nroo Buddy JJK often have a few quiet games and drop in price to 450kish so 420k isnt a steal.
Gee gone out on a limb here Hoz  ::) Needs more Miller in your list
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: tommy10 on February 23, 2017, 11:12:10 PM
Who is this "real fwd premo" you refer to Holz?    One of my problems this year has been finding fwds who I class as premium.    At the moment that is Dahlhous and ........      all the other fwds have question marks over their ability to get to 95+ which is what I would want from fwd premo.     My goal at year end would be 105, 100,100, 95, 95, 90.       How many people will be in that position come end of season?   On that basis Ryder is high probability to be no worse than F6 and probably f4/5 with a 20/1 chance of 100+

I don't know that why im not picking one, I will know by round 8 who it is though.

Nroo
Lids
JJK
Buddy
Macrae
Tom Lynch
Gunston
Greene
Caddy
Westhoff
Wingard

looking at all those guys. The top 7 in particular i really like.

Lynch is improving every year and GC should get better you would think he is a shot at going 95-100. i reckon thats worth the 80k over ryder.

Remember Ryder did only average 85 in his first year at port. 420k for 85 and 500k for 95 ill take the 95.

Macrae has gone 100 twice if he looks like he can do that again then worth the 90k over ryder easy.

Lids who knows if fit could average 85-110.

Nroo coming off a 100 back it up a must have.

Buddy we all know what he can do has a great engine room might start a little slow as not 100% but easily able to average 100 from round 4 onwards for example.

Gunston average 97 the year before, 92 last year depends how hawks and roughy go he averaged 97 with roughy in the squad, if tom mitchell and JOM intergrate into the side hawks could be very very deadly.

So there is 8 guys i can easily see scoring 90+ and probably 95+.

If you think Ryder goes 90+ pick him.

but a 80-85 will not cut it.

The good thing is guys like Lynch Nroo Buddy JJK often have a few quiet games and drop in price to 450kish so 420k isnt a steal.
Gee gone out on a limb here Hoz  ::) Needs more Miller in your list
And Heeney
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: tor01doc on February 24, 2017, 12:13:07 AM
Must admit I got a bit excited reading the dog fight between two of my favourites in this thread.

Holz vs RD - get a room boys and I will video it

Just watched Trainspotting as a warm up for the sequel - pass me the syringe

PS Love that soundtrack

Good luck 2017 Supercoachers
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on February 24, 2017, 01:13:37 AM
Will there be enough cheap forward rookies to justify Goldy + rookie? There's also the question of having back-up for a ruck missing a week. Odds are it will happen.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: BomberSam on February 24, 2017, 02:17:27 AM
Gawndy- lock and load!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: js19 on February 24, 2017, 08:33:09 AM
Gawndy- lock and load!

But which one... ::)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on February 24, 2017, 08:42:25 AM
Only first game but peoples thoughts on Ryder's performance 70% TOG have not seen his SC score but it looks like it will be low ?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Rusty00 on February 24, 2017, 08:48:29 AM
Only first game but peoples thoughts on Ryder's performance 70% TOG have not seen his SC score but it looks like it will be low ?
Hard to get a proper gauge seeing as Lobbe was playing as well last night and he won't be during the regular season.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on February 24, 2017, 08:53:41 AM
Only first game but peoples thoughts on Ryder's performance 70% TOG have not seen his SC score but it looks like it will be low ?
Hard to get a proper gauge seeing as Lobbe was playing as well last night and he won't be during the regular season.

Has that been confirmed and by who that Lobbe will not be playing ?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on February 24, 2017, 09:04:44 AM
Will there be enough cheap forward rookies to justify Goldy + rookie? There's also the question of having back-up for a ruck missing a week. Odds are it will happen.

no necessarily cheap but

M.Kennedy, Knight, Turner, McCluggage, Taranto, McCarthy, Bowes, Ainsworth, Schoenmakers, JKH, Black, Eddy

to counter the cover issue im starting preuss at R3. The issue is now only if gawn misses a game.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 24, 2017, 09:14:52 AM
Only first game but peoples thoughts on Ryder's performance 70% TOG have not seen his SC score but it looks like it will be low ?
Hard to get a proper gauge seeing as Lobbe was playing as well last night and he won't be during the regular season.

Has that been confirmed and by who that Lobbe will not be playing ?

Who know's, but I think Ryder/Trengove is what they have said they would be going with

Ryder scored 31 - scores in the scores thread

Will there be enough cheap forward rookies to justify Goldy + rookie? There's also the question of having back-up for a ruck missing a week. Odds are it will happen.

no necessarily cheap but

M.Kennedy, Knight, Turner, McCluggage, Taranto, McCarthy, Bowes, Ainsworth, Schoenmakers, JKH, Black, Eddy

to counter the cover issue im starting preuss at R3. The issue is now only if gawn misses a game.

Pretty much that list, but hopefully Bolton, Pickett or Cameron might get games too

I currently have JKH, Black, Bolton, Cameron and Eddy as place holders, but can easily get more cash for the higher priced guys if need be
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Rusty00 on February 24, 2017, 09:15:15 AM
Only first game but peoples thoughts on Ryder's performance 70% TOG have not seen his SC score but it looks like it will be low ?
Hard to get a proper gauge seeing as Lobbe was playing as well last night and he won't be during the regular season.

Has that been confirmed and by who that Lobbe will not be playing ?
I'm not aware of any confirmation, more so my opinion.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on February 24, 2017, 11:11:25 AM
With Zac Clake now out till mid season does this mean there is less chance of resting Sandi in the early rounds? Given the light travel for freo early this could now be the case making him more relevant now.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on February 24, 2017, 11:32:25 AM
Sandi only rests for one match very late in the season. Resting won't be the issue, soft tissue will be the issue. Old man calf will claim him.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 24, 2017, 01:13:30 PM
Sandi only rests for one match very late in the season. Resting won't be the issue, soft tissue will be the issue. Old man calf will claim him.

Yep, he doesn't rest early. Clarke out doesn't really change anything imo

Just need to hope he can avoid injury
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: LordSneeze on February 24, 2017, 01:30:10 PM
Sandi only rests for one match very late in the season. Resting won't be the issue, soft tissue will be the issue. Old man calf will claim him.

Yep, he doesn't rest early. Clarke out doesn't really change anything imo

Just need to hope he can avoid injury
Griffen will do as cover for Sandi
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: TomK on February 24, 2017, 01:32:38 PM
Only first game but peoples thoughts on Ryder's performance 70% TOG have not seen his SC score but it looks like it will be low ?
Hard to get a proper gauge seeing as Lobbe was playing as well last night and he won't be during the regular season.

Has that been confirmed and by who that Lobbe will not be playing ?
cause he's trash
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on February 24, 2017, 02:16:24 PM
Only first game but peoples thoughts on Ryder's performance 70% TOG have not seen his SC score but it looks like it will be low ?
Hard to get a proper gauge seeing as Lobbe was playing as well last night and he won't be during the regular season.

Has that been confirmed and by who that Lobbe will not be playing ?
cause he's trash

He might be trash but he comfortably outscored Ryder with much less TOG
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: GoLions on February 24, 2017, 04:01:33 PM
Only first game but peoples thoughts on Ryder's performance 70% TOG have not seen his SC score but it looks like it will be low ?
Hard to get a proper gauge seeing as Lobbe was playing as well last night and he won't be during the regular season.

Has that been confirmed and by who that Lobbe will not be playing ?
cause he's trash

He might be trash but he comfortably outscored Ryder with much less TOG
And if I'm not mistaken, this is basically the only thing that coaches look at when selecting the best 22 each week, particularly in JLT games.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Rusty00 on February 24, 2017, 04:47:01 PM
Only first game but peoples thoughts on Ryder's performance 70% TOG have not seen his SC score but it looks like it will be low ?
Hard to get a proper gauge seeing as Lobbe was playing as well last night and he won't be during the regular season.

Has that been confirmed and by who that Lobbe will not be playing ?
cause he's trash

He might be trash but he comfortably outscored Ryder with much less TOG
And if I'm not mistaken, this is basically the only thing that coaches look at when selecting the best 22 each week, particularly in JLT games.
You're in fine form today ;)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Dons on February 24, 2017, 06:05:55 PM
Only first game but peoples thoughts on Ryder's performance 70% TOG have not seen his SC score but it looks like it will be low ?
Hard to get a proper gauge seeing as Lobbe was playing as well last night and he won't be during the regular season.
Ryder had the tracksuit on at half time and didn't play in the second half. Maybe the 70% TOG statistic means 70% of the first half? Or maybe it's just been cocked up... He also spent basically all of the second quarter fwd too, so I wouldn't read too much into this game.

Has that been confirmed and by who that Lobbe will not be playing ?
cause he's trash

He might be trash but he comfortably outscored Ryder with much less TOG
And if I'm not mistaken, this is basically the only thing that coaches look at when selecting the best 22 each week, particularly in JLT games.
You're in fine form today ;)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on February 24, 2017, 07:01:44 PM
Will there be enough cheap forward rookies to justify Goldy + rookie? There's also the question of having back-up for a ruck missing a week. Odds are it will happen.

no necessarily cheap but

M.Kennedy, Knight, Turner, McCluggage, Taranto, McCarthy, Bowes, Ainsworth, Schoenmakers, JKH, Black, Eddy

to counter the cover issue im starting preuss at R3. The issue is now only if gawn misses a game.

Sandi & Ryder costs 726k, you would need a rookie under 140k to match that. As for the cash generation, I reckon both Sandi & Ryder will make $$. At a minimum, the combo should bring in 200k (and that's in the event they need to be traded).
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: benny_fraz on February 24, 2017, 09:52:41 PM
TOBY NANKERVIS ANYONE?

If he's the sole ruckman, I can see him averaging 100. He tackles, marks and can sneak a goal.

Played well tonight
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: TomK on February 24, 2017, 09:56:59 PM
TOBY NANKERVIS ANYONE?

If he's the sole ruckman, I can see him averaging 100. He tackles, marks and can sneak a goal.

Played well tonight
settle down
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: GoLions on February 24, 2017, 10:41:57 PM
Will there be enough cheap forward rookies to justify Goldy + rookie? There's also the question of having back-up for a ruck missing a week. Odds are it will happen.

no necessarily cheap but

M.Kennedy, Knight, Turner, McCluggage, Taranto, McCarthy, Bowes, Ainsworth, Schoenmakers, JKH, Black, Eddy

to counter the cover issue im starting preuss at R3. The issue is now only if gawn misses a game.

Sandi & Ryder costs 726k, you would need a rookie under 140k to match that. As for the cash generation, I reckon both Sandi & Ryder will make $$. At a minimum, the combo should bring in 200k (and that's in the event they need to be traded).
It really depends on Ryder. If you think he can go 90+ then you'd start him. Personally, I reckon he goes around 85, which means he makes, what, 50k? Definitely not worth it. 90+ though, and he makes 100k (or thereabouts), and can probably be kept at F6, which would make him worth starting. Going to have to wait until at least R9 though to see what ends up being the right choice though :P

And everyone knows Sandi is capable of pushing a 105-110 average, which would see him makea lot of cash. Just need him to stay on the park.

I have Gawn and Goldy, no cover up forward, and tbh the only other option I have considered is Goldy or Gawn to Stef if I need a bit more cash, but never made the change myself.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: GoLions on February 24, 2017, 10:43:53 PM
TOBY NANKERVIS ANYONE?

If he's the sole ruckman, I can see him averaging 100. He tackles, marks and can sneak a goal.

Played well tonight
settle down
Yeah, no way he averages 100 haha.





Sole ruck he'll average 105.





110 if he gets to play the Crows every week.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: TomK on February 24, 2017, 10:57:35 PM
TOBY NANKERVIS ANYONE?

If he's the sole ruckman, I can see him averaging 100. He tackles, marks and can sneak a goal.

Played well tonight
settle down
Yeah, no way he averages 100 haha.





Sole ruck he'll average 105.





110 if he gets to play the Crows every week.
Imagine what he'll do to the Lions then :o
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on February 24, 2017, 11:03:41 PM
Will there be enough cheap forward rookies to justify Goldy + rookie? There's also the question of having back-up for a ruck missing a week. Odds are it will happen.

no necessarily cheap but

M.Kennedy, Knight, Turner, McCluggage, Taranto, McCarthy, Bowes, Ainsworth, Schoenmakers, JKH, Black, Eddy

to counter the cover issue im starting preuss at R3. The issue is now only if gawn misses a game.

Sandi & Ryder costs 726k, you would need a rookie under 140k to match that. As for the cash generation, I reckon both Sandi & Ryder will make $$. At a minimum, the combo should bring in 200k (and that's in the event they need to be traded).
It really depends on Ryder. If you think he can go 90+ then you'd start him. Personally, I reckon he goes around 85, which means he makes, what, 50k? Definitely not worth it. 90+ though, and he makes 100k (or thereabouts), and can probably be kept at F6, which would make him worth starting. Going to have to wait until at least R9 though to see what ends up being the right choice though :P

And everyone knows Sandi is capable of pushing a 105-110 average, which would see him makea lot of cash. Just need him to stay on the park.

I have Gawn and Goldy, no cover up forward, and tbh the only other option I have considered is Goldy or Gawn to Stef if I need a bit more cash, but never made the change myself.

Ryder should get 70% of the ruck work, he tends to do very well when given the top job. 85 would be the bare minimum, prior to 2015 he averaged 90, 105, 90, 101. He's also insurance, that's a trade saved or a donut avoided if disaster strikes.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on February 24, 2017, 11:06:43 PM
Will there be enough cheap forward rookies to justify Goldy + rookie? There's also the question of having back-up for a ruck missing a week. Odds are it will happen.

no necessarily cheap but

M.Kennedy, Knight, Turner, McCluggage, Taranto, McCarthy, Bowes, Ainsworth, Schoenmakers, JKH, Black, Eddy

to counter the cover issue im starting preuss at R3. The issue is now only if gawn misses a game.

Sandi & Ryder costs 726k, you would need a rookie under 140k to match that. As for the cash generation, I reckon both Sandi & Ryder will make $$. At a minimum, the combo should bring in 200k (and that's in the event they need to be traded).
It really depends on Ryder. If you think he can go 90+ then you'd start him. Personally, I reckon he goes around 85, which means he makes, what, 50k? Definitely not worth it. 90+ though, and he makes 100k (or thereabouts), and can probably be kept at F6, which would make him worth starting. Going to have to wait until at least R9 though to see what ends up being the right choice though :P

And everyone knows Sandi is capable of pushing a 105-110 average, which would see him makea lot of cash. Just need him to stay on the park.

I have Gawn and Goldy, no cover up forward, and tbh the only other option I have considered is Goldy or Gawn to Stef if I need a bit more cash, but never made the change myself.

Ryder should get 70% of the ruck work, he tends to do very well when given the top job. 85 would be the bare minimum, prior to 2015 he averaged 90, 105, 90, 101. He's also insurance, that's a trade saved or a donut avoided if disaster strikes.
That is a pretty fair assessment of Ryder Bully.   Effectively you get free cover for Rucks for a F6 worst case scenario. 
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: GoLions on February 24, 2017, 11:07:05 PM
Will there be enough cheap forward rookies to justify Goldy + rookie? There's also the question of having back-up for a ruck missing a week. Odds are it will happen.

no necessarily cheap but

M.Kennedy, Knight, Turner, McCluggage, Taranto, McCarthy, Bowes, Ainsworth, Schoenmakers, JKH, Black, Eddy

to counter the cover issue im starting preuss at R3. The issue is now only if gawn misses a game.

Sandi & Ryder costs 726k, you would need a rookie under 140k to match that. As for the cash generation, I reckon both Sandi & Ryder will make $$. At a minimum, the combo should bring in 200k (and that's in the event they need to be traded).
It really depends on Ryder. If you think he can go 90+ then you'd start him. Personally, I reckon he goes around 85, which means he makes, what, 50k? Definitely not worth it. 90+ though, and he makes 100k (or thereabouts), and can probably be kept at F6, which would make him worth starting. Going to have to wait until at least R9 though to see what ends up being the right choice though :P

And everyone knows Sandi is capable of pushing a 105-110 average, which would see him makea lot of cash. Just need him to stay on the park.

I have Gawn and Goldy, no cover up forward, and tbh the only other option I have considered is Goldy or Gawn to Stef if I need a bit more cash, but never made the change myself.

Ryder should get 70% of the ruck work, he tends to do very well when given the top job. 85 would be the bare minimum, prior to 2015 he averaged 90, 105, 90, 101. He's also insurance, that's a trade saved or a donut avoided if disaster strikes.
He hasn't played in a long time though. I would be surprised if he went straight back to his previous scoring, think he will take a while to work into things. So that would mean that from a money making perspective, particularly for early on in the season, he wouldn't be all that good.

I could be completely wrong though and he could go 90+ from round 1 ;D
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: GoLions on February 24, 2017, 11:08:34 PM
Will there be enough cheap forward rookies to justify Goldy + rookie? There's also the question of having back-up for a ruck missing a week. Odds are it will happen.

no necessarily cheap but

M.Kennedy, Knight, Turner, McCluggage, Taranto, McCarthy, Bowes, Ainsworth, Schoenmakers, JKH, Black, Eddy

to counter the cover issue im starting preuss at R3. The issue is now only if gawn misses a game.

Sandi & Ryder costs 726k, you would need a rookie under 140k to match that. As for the cash generation, I reckon both Sandi & Ryder will make $$. At a minimum, the combo should bring in 200k (and that's in the event they need to be traded).
It really depends on Ryder. If you think he can go 90+ then you'd start him. Personally, I reckon he goes around 85, which means he makes, what, 50k? Definitely not worth it. 90+ though, and he makes 100k (or thereabouts), and can probably be kept at F6, which would make him worth starting. Going to have to wait until at least R9 though to see what ends up being the right choice though :P

And everyone knows Sandi is capable of pushing a 105-110 average, which would see him makea lot of cash. Just need him to stay on the park.

I have Gawn and Goldy, no cover up forward, and tbh the only other option I have considered is Goldy or Gawn to Stef if I need a bit more cash, but never made the change myself.

Ryder should get 70% of the ruck work, he tends to do very well when given the top job. 85 would be the bare minimum, prior to 2015 he averaged 90, 105, 90, 101. He's also insurance, that's a trade saved or a donut avoided if disaster strikes.
That is a pretty fair assessment of Ryder Bully.   Effectively you get free cover for Rucks for a F6 worst case scenario.
No, worst case you lose 10-15ppg, don't make any cash from the pick, and either waste a trade to upgrade him or continue to bleed points ;)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on February 24, 2017, 11:19:58 PM
Will there be enough cheap forward rookies to justify Goldy + rookie? There's also the question of having back-up for a ruck missing a week. Odds are it will happen.

no necessarily cheap but

M.Kennedy, Knight, Turner, McCluggage, Taranto, McCarthy, Bowes, Ainsworth, Schoenmakers, JKH, Black, Eddy

to counter the cover issue im starting preuss at R3. The issue is now only if gawn misses a game.

Sandi & Ryder costs 726k, you would need a rookie under 140k to match that. As for the cash generation, I reckon both Sandi & Ryder will make $$. At a minimum, the combo should bring in 200k (and that's in the event they need to be traded).
It really depends on Ryder. If you think he can go 90+ then you'd start him. Personally, I reckon he goes around 85, which means he makes, what, 50k? Definitely not worth it. 90+ though, and he makes 100k (or thereabouts), and can probably be kept at F6, which would make him worth starting. Going to have to wait until at least R9 though to see what ends up being the right choice though :P

And everyone knows Sandi is capable of pushing a 105-110 average, which would see him makea lot of cash. Just need him to stay on the park.

I have Gawn and Goldy, no cover up forward, and tbh the only other option I have considered is Goldy or Gawn to Stef if I need a bit more cash, but never made the change myself.

Ryder should get 70% of the ruck work, he tends to do very well when given the top job. 85 would be the bare minimum, prior to 2015 he averaged 90, 105, 90, 101. He's also insurance, that's a trade saved or a donut avoided if disaster strikes.
That is a pretty fair assessment of Ryder Bully.   Effectively you get free cover for Rucks for a F6 worst case scenario.
No, worst case you lose 10-15ppg, don't make any cash from the pick, and either waste a trade to upgrade him or continue to bleed points ;)

But even in the worst case scenario ie. 85 average, Sandi should make up the points difference over a Goldy + rookie situation. The latter will 100% cost a trade, I'd be content to keep Ryder for the season knowing he will be there if a ruck goes down. If Sandi only plays the first half of the year at least he makes money and can be upgraded to Goldy. The upside to all this is Sandi plays most of the year, Ryder averages 90+ and I get an extra trade over the Goldy + rookie combo.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: GoLions on February 24, 2017, 11:26:17 PM
Will there be enough cheap forward rookies to justify Goldy + rookie? There's also the question of having back-up for a ruck missing a week. Odds are it will happen.

no necessarily cheap but

M.Kennedy, Knight, Turner, McCluggage, Taranto, McCarthy, Bowes, Ainsworth, Schoenmakers, JKH, Black, Eddy

to counter the cover issue im starting preuss at R3. The issue is now only if gawn misses a game.

Sandi & Ryder costs 726k, you would need a rookie under 140k to match that. As for the cash generation, I reckon both Sandi & Ryder will make $$. At a minimum, the combo should bring in 200k (and that's in the event they need to be traded).
It really depends on Ryder. If you think he can go 90+ then you'd start him. Personally, I reckon he goes around 85, which means he makes, what, 50k? Definitely not worth it. 90+ though, and he makes 100k (or thereabouts), and can probably be kept at F6, which would make him worth starting. Going to have to wait until at least R9 though to see what ends up being the right choice though :P

And everyone knows Sandi is capable of pushing a 105-110 average, which would see him makea lot of cash. Just need him to stay on the park.

I have Gawn and Goldy, no cover up forward, and tbh the only other option I have considered is Goldy or Gawn to Stef if I need a bit more cash, but never made the change myself.

Ryder should get 70% of the ruck work, he tends to do very well when given the top job. 85 would be the bare minimum, prior to 2015 he averaged 90, 105, 90, 101. He's also insurance, that's a trade saved or a donut avoided if disaster strikes.
That is a pretty fair assessment of Ryder Bully.   Effectively you get free cover for Rucks for a F6 worst case scenario.
No, worst case you lose 10-15ppg, don't make any cash from the pick, and either waste a trade to upgrade him or continue to bleed points ;)

But even in the worst case scenario ie. 85 average, Sandi should make up the points difference over a Goldy + rookie situation. The latter will 100% cost a trade, I'd be content to keep Ryder for the season knowing he will be there if a ruck goes down. If Sandi only plays the first half of the year at least he makes money and can be upgraded to Goldy. The upside to all this is Sandi plays most of the year, Ryder averages 90+ and I get an extra trade over the Goldy + rookie combo.
Yeah I agree you'd most likely get more ppg. I don't trust Sandi to stay on the park though :P

If Sandi stays fit for the first half of the season, and Ryder can average 90+, then that combo is a huge winner (unless Goldy gets back to 120+, and/or the rookie you choose in the Goldy combo kills it and makes a tonne of cash). Also a winner if Goldy or Gawn or whoever your R1 is gets injured and you have Ryder covering.

If guys like Gawn and Goldy can stay fit and play all year though, or if Ryder doesn't get that 90+ average, and/or Sandi misses games in the first half of the season before making enough cash to justify the pick to upgrade him, then it's a decent loss.

Could go either way. Not by any means saying that my opinion is fact or anything, and happy for Sandi and Ryder to prove me wrong :) (although would be even happier to see Goldy go 120+ tbqh ;))
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: bowyanger on February 25, 2017, 12:50:52 AM
I cant believe what I just read...

211 = Massive risk - why bother? Freo clearly managing him....he is cooked...has been for the last 3 years

Ryder = I hope he proves me wrong because Ive tried faith in him in the past and I genially like the fellah. IMO because Ive had him he is seriously inconsistent and goes missing. In a team I expect to have a new coach some time through the year there is no way I'm going near him

Goldy = Limited preseason for a bloke playing a position that is massively reliant on fitness and getting to a contest..

Ruck is a very tough positon and it takes a toll (See Mumford, 211, Goldy etc) the time at the top is short lived - I'm looking at blokes coming into their prime like Grundy, ZSmith, THickey etc

Due to the new rule changes it also could blind side me, I wouldn't be surprised if relatively durable quality tap ruckmen like Sauce Jacobs kill the pig

Ruck is something I will monitor closely early on due to rule changes

I'm starting ZSmith & Gawn

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 25, 2017, 04:10:22 AM
I cant believe what I just read...

Me too, but in reference to your post lol

Sandi has been cooked for 3 years? Goldy has had a limited preseason? Ryder goes missing but Zac Smith you like?  :o

Sandi copped broken ribs last year and prior to that had two seasons of 21 games played averaging 108 and 107.8

Goldy has only missed a couple of weeks with an ankle injury which is no big deal at all

I'm starting to move away from Ryder because I just can't see enough upside. Like you guys have mentioned if he goes 85 it's a fail, and if he goes 90 it's barely a pass. The cover is great, and 90 at F6 is fine but for 418k it's not a great result

The Nank has been floating around for a while, but last night showed he is clearly the Number 1 ruck, and he won't have a second ruck in the side like Ryder will. Nank scored 89 from 73% TOG and at 366k he can provide cover like Ryder, but actually make more cash and also turn into a F6 keeper possibly

I know it's a small percentage, but again his HOTA last night was 50%. Really starting to warm to The Nank

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on February 25, 2017, 09:38:35 AM
Ask this question to yourself if ryder was a F only would everyone be picking him?

He averaged 85 in his last season at port. Lets say he starts a little slow due to port and him wirking it out and gies 80-85 thats shocking from a 400+ forward.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: GCSkiwi on February 25, 2017, 10:33:29 AM
Ask this question to yourself if ryder was a F only would everyone be picking him?

He averaged 85 in his last season at port. Lets say he starts a little slow due to port and him wirking it out and gies 80-85 thats shocking from a 400+ forward.

That's not really an argument though... If Jelwood was a defender, would everyone be picking him? Of course. But that's irrelevant, because he's not. Part opf Ryder's appeal is that he can be ruck cover, if he was fwd only of course you'd be less tempted to take the punt. But if he was fwd only, you'd also have to rethink your ruck situation to ensure you have cover. I'd rather go with Ryder and Sandi for 726k than with Gawn and a 123k rookie for 768k... The risk I'm hedging is trades, and I'm ok with that.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on February 25, 2017, 11:37:49 AM
Gawn, Goldy - Cameron
Nankervis + Boyd forward

Can't go wrong. No donut, cash galore, points galore.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 25, 2017, 11:43:15 AM
Can never be too safe meow!  ;D

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on February 25, 2017, 12:11:23 PM
Ask this question to yourself if ryder was a F only would everyone be picking him?

He averaged 85 in his last season at port. Lets say he starts a little slow due to port and him wirking it out and gies 80-85 thats shocking from a 400+ forward.

Why do Port have to go through another teething phase? That happened in 2015. For the record, Ryder's last 8 games for the Power yielded 4 tons and only one score under 80, I think it's fair to say they know how to use him.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on February 25, 2017, 12:36:05 PM
I cant believe what I just read...

Me too, but in reference to your post lol

Sandi has been cooked for 3 years? Goldy has had a limited preseason? Ryder goes missing but Zac Smith you like?  :o

Sandi copped broken ribs last year and prior to that had two seasons of 21 games played averaging 108 and 107.8

Goldy has only missed a couple of weeks with an ankle injury which is no big deal at all

I'm starting to move away from Ryder because I just can't see enough upside. Like you guys have mentioned if he goes 85 it's a fail, and if he goes 90 it's barely a pass. The cover is great, and 90 at F6 is fine but for 418k it's not a great result

The Nank has been floating around for a while, but last night showed he is clearly the Number 1 ruck, and he won't have a second ruck in the side like Ryder will. Nank scored 89 from 73% TOG and at 366k he can provide cover like Ryder, but actually make more cash and also turn into a F6 keeper possibly

I know it's a small percentage, but again his HOTA last night was 50%. Really starting to warm to The Nank

I like what Nank brings to the table but don't forget he had very little opposition once Sauce left the field. Hampson will also be staking his claim (although I personally prefer Nank). If Nankervis absolutely tears it up in the first 3 weeks then I'll just use a corrective trade. The risks associated with Ryder are being completely overblown in my opinion. Particularly given this year is a crap shoot in the forward line.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on February 25, 2017, 03:14:51 PM
Know it is only a half and with Melbourne dominating this is a little concerning especially with H/O to advantage gold in SC, "Just 1 hitout-to-advantage for Gawn from 26 ruck contests attended in the 1st half. Has 25 #SuperCoach points."

Hopefully just a slow start and not following through on the usual fail to follow up strong seasons. $645k looking very pricey atm.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on February 25, 2017, 08:53:27 PM
Know it is only a half and with Melbourne dominating this is a little concerning especially with H/O to advantage gold in SC, "Just 1 hitout-to-advantage for Gawn from 26 ruck contests attended in the 1st half. Has 25 #SuperCoach points."

Hopefully just a slow start and not following through on the usual fail to follow up strong seasons. $645k looking very pricey atm.
No worries Ringo,  at your age better to avoid high stress situations.  so drop Gawn and start Goldy in R1.   I will still start Gawn.  supported by Sandi.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Mat0369 on February 26, 2017, 12:21:32 AM
Ryder can average 100+ as the number 1 ruck. The thing is he is so inconsistent that you're better off looking at him as an upgrade just after his bye, especially if he puts up a stinker or two and drops in price.

Speaking of a walking injury but at a pretty good price, Matthew Kreuzer. He looked fit and ready to go at the game today. Gorringe also has an achilles injury so he will do the majority of the ruck work.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 26, 2017, 06:44:29 PM
Preuss looked good today scoring 95 while Goldy scored 94

I assume the decision for nearly everyone will now be down to Goldy R2 Preuss R3 vs Sandi R2 Strdanica R3 with Ryder/Lycett/Nank up front?



Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: GCSkiwi on February 26, 2017, 06:52:42 PM
Preuss looked good today scoring 95 while Goldy scored 94

I assume the decision for nearly everyone will now be down to Goldy R2 Preuss R3 vs Sandi R2 Strdanica R3 with Ryder/Lycett/Nank up front?

Preuss as an R/F would be real handy... I think this call will come down to rookies for me, at the moment got the Sandi/Strnadica/Ryder combo going, If there's a decent crop of fwd rookies up for grabs round 1 then I might go light up front (Dahl/Macrae/Roughy/rooks) and take Gawn/Goldy/Preuss, but for now I'm happy as is.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on February 26, 2017, 06:54:10 PM
If Preuss lines up R1 then no Goldy
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 26, 2017, 07:18:43 PM
If Preuss lines up R1 then no Goldy

I would have thought having the cover was good. Daw, Brown and Petrie etc haven't impacted Goldy's scoring so will Preuss really impact that much?

I've never had Goldy so not really impacting me but those that do have him I guess I'm curious to see how it plays at
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on February 26, 2017, 07:26:16 PM
If Preuss lines up R1 then no Goldy

I would have thought having the cover was good. Daw, Brown and Petrie etc haven't impacted Goldy's scoring so will Preuss really impact that much?

I've never had Goldy so not really impacting me but those that do have him I guess I'm curious to see how it plays at

Still have not really decided R2 but if Preuss lines up then Grundy looks the go for me maybe Preuss R3 see how things pan out I guess but it would have to some affect on Goldy's scoring
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on February 26, 2017, 07:57:42 PM
Goldy put up a good score with him in the team.

Goldy is the ruck but we saw he can kick a few goals to compensate not being in the ruck. Remember his 170 game against gawn
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on February 26, 2017, 08:14:05 PM
Goldy put up a good score with him in the team.

Goldy is the ruck but we saw he can kick a few goals to compensate not being in the ruck. Remember his 170 game against gawn
Big risk taking goldy if Pruess is going to get a consistent game.    Looks like great back up for goldy and north.   Not so good for SC.     Hard to see Goldy maintaining a 100+ avg with Pruess playing every game.   Will be sticking with my Gawndilandsstryndica
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on February 26, 2017, 08:29:54 PM
Even starting Preuss at R3 if he starts R1 if he gets dropped 2 or 3 games in you are stuck with non DPP  :-\ think I will just forget about it till before R1
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on February 26, 2017, 09:26:42 PM
Goldy put up a good score with him in the team.

Goldy is the ruck but we saw he can kick a few goals to compensate not being in the ruck. Remember his 170 game against gawn
Big risk taking goldy if Pruess is going to get a consistent game.    Looks like great back up for goldy and north.   Not so good for SC.     Hard to see Goldy maintaining a 100+ avg with Pruess playing every game.   Will be sticking with my Gawndilandsstryndica

Goldy preuss daw wood waite brown cant play in the same squad. Preuss only getting games as others are injured.

As shaker has said he might get dropped early even if he does plays. However in response to that he will play if goldy misses
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on February 26, 2017, 09:53:21 PM
Goldy put up a good score with him in the team.

Goldy is the ruck but we saw he can kick a few goals to compensate not being in the ruck. Remember his 170 game against gawn
Big risk taking goldy if Pruess is going to get a consistent game.    Looks like great back up for goldy and north.   Not so good for SC.     Hard to see Goldy maintaining a 100+ avg with Pruess playing every game.   Will be sticking with my Gawndilandsstryndica

Goldy preuss daw wood waite brown cant play in the same squad. Preuss only getting games as others are injured.

As shaker has said he might get dropped early even if he does plays. However in response to that he will play if goldy misses

He's good back-up for Goldy but not necessarily for Gawn, this is where the plan could unravel.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on February 26, 2017, 10:40:03 PM
I'm thinking a Preuss, Cameron - Korcheck (will be #1 (only ruck left) at Carlton in about 3 weeks) combo is the way to go. Allows me to have Dangerfield at M8
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: jfitty on February 27, 2017, 10:12:33 AM
Goldy put up a good score with him in the team.

Goldy is the ruck but we saw he can kick a few goals to compensate not being in the ruck. Remember his 170 game against gawn
Big risk taking goldy if Pruess is going to get a consistent game.    Looks like great back up for goldy and north.   Not so good for SC.     Hard to see Goldy maintaining a 100+ avg with Pruess playing every game.   Will be sticking with my Gawndilandsstryndica

Goldy preuss daw wood waite brown cant play in the same squad. Preuss only getting games as others are injured.

As shaker has said he might get dropped early even if he does plays. However in response to that he will play if goldy misses

This is what it comes down to for me - I can't see Preuss playing when both Daw and Brown are fit.. Especially not when you have an elite first ruckman.

Unless North has plans to rotate one of the rucks forward now that Wood is going to miss games, but add Waite into the mix and it's a pretty top-heavy forward line.

I've had Goldstein locked into my team for most of the preseason, but thinking I might wait and see how that all plays out.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on February 27, 2017, 11:49:35 AM
Do find it funny that a guy scored 94 from 65% game time and then people seem in a rush to trade him out.

what more do you want from him?

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Money Shot on February 27, 2017, 11:52:25 AM
Do find it funny that a guy scored 94 from 65% game time and then people seem in a rush to trade him out.

what more do you want from him?
I was hoping he would only play 50% and score 60 or so and everyone would trade him out so he can be a pod.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: frenzy on February 27, 2017, 07:55:30 PM
I'm thinking a Preuss, Cameron - Korcheck (will be #1 (only ruck left) at Carlton in about 3 weeks) combo is the way to go. Allows me to have Dangerfield at M8

^ Lol :o
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Judd Magic on February 28, 2017, 11:53:30 PM
Is going Grundy and Sandi as my rucks and not having Gawn a dumb idea?

My team looks way more balanced by downgrading Gawn to Grundy.

Can upgrade Sandi to Gawn when his price drops a bit.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: AaronKirk on March 01, 2017, 02:05:12 AM
Unless you believe Preuss is going to consistently play when Brown is fit then I wouldn't pick him.

I can see Daw and Preuss interchanging between the VFL and Senior sides most of the season.

Darcy Cameron seems to be the likely playing DPP option. If he plays round 1 I am inclined to pick him. Otherwise I will stick with an Floating Donut in Strndica.

I have abandoned the Witts R3 option.

Still at this stage going with Gawn and Sandi but if some mid rookies bob up I may just lock in Gawn and Goldy.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 01, 2017, 07:17:56 AM
Unless you believe Preuss is going to consistently play when Brown is fit then I wouldn't pick him.

I can see Daw and Preuss interchanging between the VFL and Senior sides most of the season.

Darcy Cameron seems to be the likely playing DPP option. If he plays round 1 I am inclined to pick him. Otherwise I will stick with an Floating Donut in Strndica.

I have abandoned the Witts R3 option.

Still at this stage going with Gawn and Sandi but if some mid rookies bob up I may just lock in Gawn and Goldy.
pretty much same resolution for me AK.    Currently have Strndica r3 and Cameron f7.   Extra cash from Sandi selection gives flexibility to juggle rest of my lines.    If I have to go Goldy Gawn then some of good value injury players come into my team.    Roughy, Beams, JOM and Swallow, Murphy
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: dottman on March 01, 2017, 07:53:41 AM
I'm thinking of ordering the "CURRIE" might end up with the sh!ts, but you never know if you don't try it.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 01, 2017, 08:07:13 AM
Unless you believe Preuss is going to consistently play when Brown is fit then I wouldn't pick him.

I can see Daw and Preuss interchanging between the VFL and Senior sides most of the season.

Darcy Cameron seems to be the likely playing DPP option. If he plays round 1 I am inclined to pick him. Otherwise I will stick with an Floating Donut in Strndica.

I have abandoned the Witts R3 option.

Still at this stage going with Gawn and Sandi but if some mid rookies bob up I may just lock in Gawn and Goldy.

Depends if you dont like ryder or lycett then having cameron on the r3 bench doesnt help to much unless you think he plays most of the season. I font think any ruck bench plays consistently.

If your picking goldy (you should) then preuss is great cover as you effectively have 1 ruck spot covvered all year so you just halfed your risk. Issue is your other ruck you cant bring in  ryder etc... up front.

Thats why im going solid in gawn or grundy
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: nas on March 01, 2017, 08:09:55 AM
I'm thinking of ordering the "CURRIE" might end up with the sh!ts, but you never know if you don't try it.

Could end up with the "RUNS" if it works out!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 02, 2017, 12:40:01 PM
im seriously considering going Goldy Sandi with no cover.

suicide yeah probably but if it pays off will pay off big time. Used the 300k going Gawn down to Sandi to turn Taranto into Lynch (GC) which is a big injection of points
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 02, 2017, 12:54:42 PM
im seriously considering going Goldy Sandi with no cover.

suicide yeah probably but if it pays off will pay off big time. Used the 300k going Gawn down to Sandi to turn Taranto into Lynch (GC) which is a big injection of points

Reading an article this morning on AFL site while FF was down with Goldy endorsing Preuss playing so you might not have to run with no cover not that I would pick Goldy myself if he does think it would have to have some affect on his scoring but Preuss would be cheap cover , what's the worst that can happen costs us a trade if he goes out of the team hopefully he has made some cash by then if it happens.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 02, 2017, 01:09:23 PM
im seriously considering going Goldy Sandi with no cover.

suicide yeah probably but if it pays off will pay off big time. Used the 300k going Gawn down to Sandi to turn Taranto into Lynch (GC) which is a big injection of points

Reading an article this morning on AFL site while FF was down with Goldy endorsing Preuss playing so you might not have to run with no cover not that I would pick Goldy myself if he does think it would have to have some affect on his scoring but Preuss would be cheap cover , what's the worst that can happen costs us a trade if he goes out of the team hopefully he has made some cash by then if it happens.

im not worried about Goldy missing im worried about Sandi missing.

if i do go with the crazy ruck set up i need the F/R in case i have to do a stupid Lynch to Ryder trade to stop a donut.

also I want the loophole option, can make up points early on. Ill have everyone else playing round 1 so i might gain 20-30 points in the first week with the donut at R3.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: aussied on March 02, 2017, 01:17:06 PM
I'm thinking a Preuss, Cameron - Korcheck (will be #1 (only ruck left) at Carlton in about 3 weeks) combo is the way to go. Allows me to have Dangerfield at M8

almost lost my sh*t when reading this... lol
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Kenny27 on March 02, 2017, 01:22:42 PM
Sandi named for JLT2. if he can get through these final 2 games without any niggles I'm backing him in with no backup besides Cameron.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: jfitty on March 02, 2017, 01:25:11 PM
im seriously considering going Goldy Sandi with no cover.

suicide yeah probably but if it pays off will pay off big time. Used the 300k going Gawn down to Sandi to turn Taranto into Lynch (GC) which is a big injection of points

Reading an article this morning on AFL site while FF was down with Goldy endorsing Preuss playing so you might not have to run with no cover not that I would pick Goldy myself if he does think it would have to have some affect on his scoring but Preuss would be cheap cover , what's the worst that can happen costs us a trade if he goes out of the team hopefully he has made some cash by then if it happens.

I reckon he said the same thing when Dan Currie was showing some promise - that he would be happy to share the ruck load.

Realistically I can't see North playing both Goldy and Preuss though, but all this talk is turning Goldstein into a POD!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 02, 2017, 01:40:13 PM
im seriously considering going Goldy Sandi with no cover.

suicide yeah probably but if it pays off will pay off big time. Used the 300k going Gawn down to Sandi to turn Taranto into Lynch (GC) which is a big injection of points

Reading an article this morning on AFL site while FF was down with Goldy endorsing Preuss playing so you might not have to run with no cover not that I would pick Goldy myself if he does think it would have to have some affect on his scoring but Preuss would be cheap cover , what's the worst that can happen costs us a trade if he goes out of the team hopefully he has made some cash by then if it happens.

im not worried about Goldy missing im worried about Sandi missing.

if i do go with the crazy ruck set up i need the F/R in case i have to do a stupid Lynch to Ryder trade to stop a donut.

also I want the loophole option, can make up points early on. Ill have everyone else playing round 1 so i might gain 20-30 points in the first week with the donut at R3.

If Preuss does play think I will take a chance with him at R3 and have a non player sitting on the mid bench
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 02, 2017, 01:42:08 PM
im seriously considering going Goldy Sandi with no cover.

suicide yeah probably but if it pays off will pay off big time. Used the 300k going Gawn down to Sandi to turn Taranto into Lynch (GC) which is a big injection of points

Reading an article this morning on AFL site while FF was down with Goldy endorsing Preuss playing so you might not have to run with no cover not that I would pick Goldy myself if he does think it would have to have some affect on his scoring but Preuss would be cheap cover , what's the worst that can happen costs us a trade if he goes out of the team hopefully he has made some cash by then if it happens.

I reckon he said the same thing when Dan Currie was showing some promise - that he would be happy to share the ruck load.

Realistically I can't see North playing both Goldy and Preuss though, but all this talk is turning Goldstein into a POD!

True Goldy does not pick the team but if Preuss continues on his merry way he has to be a chance
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on March 02, 2017, 02:09:20 PM
Really struggling with R2 - Grundy v Martin with Goldy at R1. Given the history over the last 5 years where leading ruck has not backed it up giving Gawn a miss early as I suspect his price will drop.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 02, 2017, 02:17:55 PM
im seriously considering going Goldy Sandi with no cover.

suicide yeah probably but if it pays off will pay off big time. Used the 300k going Gawn down to Sandi to turn Taranto into Lynch (GC) which is a big injection of points

Reading an article this morning on AFL site while FF was down with Goldy endorsing Preuss playing so you might not have to run with no cover not that I would pick Goldy myself if he does think it would have to have some affect on his scoring but Preuss would be cheap cover , what's the worst that can happen costs us a trade if he goes out of the team hopefully he has made some cash by then if it happens.

I reckon he said the same thing when Dan Currie was showing some promise - that he would be happy to share the ruck load.

Realistically I can't see North playing both Goldy and Preuss though, but all this talk is turning Goldstein into a POD!

True Goldy does not pick the team but if Preuss continues on his merry way he has to be a chance

Mason Wood and Ben Brown with injury clouds going into the season wouldnt suprise me to see preuss play early due to necessity but as more a forward.

no wahy Goldy plays 50% ruck and preuss 50% ruck.

maybe a 80 20 split giving goldy some rest.

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 02, 2017, 02:45:25 PM
Sandi named for JLT2. if he can get through these final 2 games without any niggles I'm backing him in with no backup besides Cameron.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: TomK on March 02, 2017, 03:21:43 PM
R2 is giving me a headache right now, I have been against Sandi all pre-season but I just don't trust anyone else either. I obviously like Goldy but if Preuss is playing, we know how rucks score when there is two in the same team. Thinking I just go Sandi but I feel like I'm gonna regret it haha.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 02, 2017, 03:26:51 PM
R2 is giving me a headache right now, I have been against Sandi all pre-season but I just don't trust anyone else either. I obviously like Goldy but if Preuss is playing, we know how rucks score when there is two in the same team. Thinking I just go Sandi but I feel like I'm gonna regret it haha.

Us Sandi owners can't have you bringing those negative vibes over so just pick Goldy please :P
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: TomK on March 02, 2017, 03:39:58 PM
R2 is giving me a headache right now, I have been against Sandi all pre-season but I just don't trust anyone else either. I obviously like Goldy but if Preuss is playing, we know how rucks score when there is two in the same team. Thinking I just go Sandi but I feel like I'm gonna regret it haha.

Us Sandi owners can't have you bringing those negative vibes over so just pick Goldy please :P
Hahaha I'm sorry! I take it back, Sandi is GOAT :P
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: plumdog millionaire on March 02, 2017, 06:03:14 PM
Sandi will play 22 rounds and will average the most of all rucks. This WILL happen.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 02, 2017, 06:12:47 PM
Sandi will play 22 rounds and will average the most of all rucks. This WILL happen.

Hahahahahahaha
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: jfitty on March 02, 2017, 06:43:48 PM
Sandi will play 22 rounds and will average the most of all rucks. This WILL happen.

You definitely have some large plumbs Plumdog!

Be nice if it happened
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 02, 2017, 07:50:11 PM
Sandi will play 22 rounds and will average the most of all rucks. This WILL happen.

Liam anthony to play 22 and outscore danger.

Equal chance
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on March 02, 2017, 07:52:43 PM
getting concerned with Stef atm - Early Days but Archie showing a lot more than Stef.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: plumdog millionaire on March 02, 2017, 09:05:07 PM
Sandi will play 22 rounds and will average the most of all rucks. This WILL happen.

Liam anthony to play 22 and outscore danger.

Equal chance
100%=100%
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on March 02, 2017, 09:57:57 PM
This is really disturbing may be putting a line through Stef.

 Fantasy Freako‏ @FantasyFreako 5m5 minutes ago

31 hitouts for Stef Martin but only 1 to advantage kept his #SuperCoach score well down (42).
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Gigantor on March 02, 2017, 10:06:56 PM
This is really disturbing may be putting a line through Stef.

 Fantasy Freako‏ @FantasyFreako 5m5 minutes ago

31 hitouts for Stef Martin but only 1 to advantage kept his #SuperCoach score well down (42).

Only 8 disposals, which is pretty low as well
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: jfitty on March 02, 2017, 10:26:29 PM
Definitely concerning when he's rucking against a guy who hasn't played an AFL game.

Stef off my list for now
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Gavdroid on March 02, 2017, 10:27:44 PM
And with the midfield he was hitting to its even worse
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: _wato on March 02, 2017, 11:55:17 PM
Hello Goldy.

Catch ya Gawn. Could prove to be crazy or a master stroke.

I just keep thinking about it. Gawn had a huge year and went 118. Goldy went big the year before and went 128, which is far and above the feats of Gawn. Gawn would go 160 and then 90, 105, 110, and then 170 down the track. Goldy more likely to go 120, 125, 110, 115.

If Preuss doesn't play Round 1 I'm going for it. Goldy + $60k!!!!! Is a lot of extra dosh
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 03, 2017, 12:09:59 AM
Hello Goldy.

Catch ya Gawn. Could prove to be crazy or a master stroke.

I just keep thinking about it. Gawn had a huge year and went 118. Goldy went big the year before and went 128, which is far and above the feats of Gawn. Gawn would go 160 and then 90, 105, 110, and then 170 down the track. Goldy more likely to go 120, 125, 110, 115.

If Preuss doesn't play Round 1 I'm going for it. Goldy + $60k!!!!! Is a lot of extra dosh

Based on last season Goldy was way more inconsistent, only 4 tons after the bye with a highest score of 127. He's also had a limited preseason, that should count against him. The 127 year was also an anomaly, since 2011 it's been 113, 93, 113, 106, 127 & 108. Preuss may not be selected round 1 but he will surely come in at some stage. Goldy even stated he preferred him in the team. I think this is the year his workload will be eased. North will also be wary of another club poaching a young ruck, this type of thing happens every year.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Mat0369 on March 03, 2017, 12:14:33 AM
Goldstein will average 113.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: _wato on March 03, 2017, 12:19:51 AM
Only 4 tons after the bye but that was because he was playing injured. Holz has said it all before and I won't repeat it again.

Also Preuss won't play if Goldy is killing it and Daw lives upto his hype. As if there's a spot for him. They've NEVER managed his load before as if they'd begin to do it now. They didn't play currie when he was on the cusp of leaving as if now is any different.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: _wato on March 03, 2017, 12:20:54 AM
The only reason I like Gawn is because he is a lone ruck and can score big. I don't actually rate him as the best ruck. Yes he can ruck well but you'd hope he could at his height. Goldy is a much much much better player.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 03, 2017, 12:23:52 AM
Only 4 tons after the bye but that was because he was playing injured. Holz has said it all before and I won't repeat it again.

Also Preuss won't play if Goldy is killing it and Daw lives upto his hype. As if there's a spot for him. They've NEVER managed his load before as if they'd begin to do it now. They didn't play currie when he was on the cusp of leaving as if now is any different.

North are in rebuild mode, don't be surprised if there's some experimentation along the way.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: _wato on March 03, 2017, 12:26:51 AM
Only 4 tons after the bye but that was because he was playing injured. Holz has said it all before and I won't repeat it again.

Also Preuss won't play if Goldy is killing it and Daw lives upto his hype. As if there's a spot for him. They've NEVER managed his load before as if they'd begin to do it now. They didn't play currie when he was on the cusp of leaving as if now is any different.

North are in rebuild mode, don't be surprised if there's some experimentation along the way.

Understand that but North aren't really that much worse off than last year. They're still a 6-12 team with a draw that isn't as hard as most people make it out to be. I expect them to be 0-4 but after that they have many winnable games. If Lycett doesn't get up Round 1 Goldy could give you a 150 Round one. Massive.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 03, 2017, 02:00:27 PM
It's funny how we get so much time (several months) to mull over this we can continually change our minds

Ive had Gawn/Sandi from day dot and have not budged once, but now I am actually thinking about dropping Gawn to Goldy

My reasoning: I cannot see Goldy going lower than 108, and I don't think Gawn can maintain 118

Goldy/Sandi for the first 8-12 weeks, then Sandi to Gawn if warranted

Too much time!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Jimmykidd on March 03, 2017, 02:04:58 PM
I like goldy/Sandi, but the problem is you kinda need backup if you take Sandi, and all the back up ruck options are not worth it.

Ryder? Has been poor so far. Nank? Possibly but risky. Lycett @ that price? Nah.

Or you go crazy and don't start a fwd ruck..
 
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: quinny88 on March 03, 2017, 02:37:48 PM
I like goldy/Sandi, but the problem is you kinda need backup if you take Sandi, and all the back up ruck options are not worth it.

Ryder? Has been poor so far. Nank? Possibly but risky. Lycett @ that price? Nah.

Or you go crazy and don't start a fwd ruck..

Exactly my worry too..
There may actually be a rookie priced ruckman or 2 this year though but then that stuffs up my loophole capabilities.
Got Ryder in the fwd line at the moment but I hope he shows a bit more in the next couple of weeks
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 03, 2017, 04:10:59 PM
It's funny how we get so much time (several months) to mull over this we can continually change our minds

Ive had Gawn/Sandi from day dot and have not budged once, but now I am actually thinking about dropping Gawn to Goldy

My reasoning: I cannot see Goldy going lower than 108, and I don't think Gawn can maintain 118

Goldy/Sandi for the first 8-12 weeks, then Sandi to Gawn if warranted

Too much time!
Go look at yourself in the mirror RD.   thou shalt not change your mind!!!!     
Gawn/Sandi for no 1 starting ruck combo.    Upgrade to Goldy come mid year. 
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: enzedder on March 03, 2017, 04:14:21 PM
It's funny how we get so much time (several months) to mull over this we can continually change our minds

Ive had Gawn/Sandi from day dot and have not budged once, but now I am actually thinking about dropping Gawn to Goldy

My reasoning: I cannot see Goldy going lower than 108, and I don't think Gawn can maintain 118

Goldy/Sandi for the first 8-12 weeks, then Sandi to Gawn if warranted

Too much time!
Gawn and Goldy since last year for me... nothing has changed. Easiest line to do.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 03, 2017, 04:35:02 PM
It's funny how we get so much time (several months) to mull over this we can continually change our minds

Ive had Gawn/Sandi from day dot and have not budged once, but now I am actually thinking about dropping Gawn to Goldy

My reasoning: I cannot see Goldy going lower than 108, and I don't think Gawn can maintain 118

Goldy/Sandi for the first 8-12 weeks, then Sandi to Gawn if warranted

Too much time!
Go look at yourself in the mirror RD.   thou shalt not change your mind!!!!     
Gawn/Sandi for no 1 starting ruck combo.    Upgrade to Goldy come mid year.

sounds smart to upgrade Gawn to Goldy and then to top it off you get cash in the bank.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: colmullet on March 03, 2017, 04:40:35 PM
anyone giving Grundy a look? Seriously considering rolling with Goldy/Grundy, Gawn overpriced and Sandi could go ping at anytime and im not that keen on the DPP options up forward (if only Roughy still had his)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Jimmykidd on March 03, 2017, 04:51:36 PM
anyone giving Grundy a look? Seriously considering rolling with Goldy/Grundy, Gawn overpriced and Sandi could go ping at anytime and im not that keen on the DPP options up forward (if only Roughy still had his)

Trying to convince myself he is a good option, but I just can't. Not sure why. Can he really increase his average by 10-15 points and be a keeper? Had an impressive back half of last year and got on my radar. I'm sure he will be solid enough. But we know how god like gawn/Goldy are so why bother..
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: colmullet on March 03, 2017, 04:54:00 PM
anyone giving Grundy a look? Seriously considering rolling with Goldy/Grundy, Gawn overpriced and Sandi could go ping at anytime and im not that keen on the DPP options up forward (if only Roughy still had his)

Trying to convince myself he is a good option, but I just can't. Not sure why. Can he really increase his average by 10-15 points and be a keeper? Had an impressive back half of last year and got on my radar. I'm sure he will be solid enough. But we know how god like gawn/Goldy are so why bother..

I dunno i just get the feeling he might, been burning up the track and looks like he could be one of those rucks who gets 20+ possies a game (ala Cox).
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Huttabito on March 03, 2017, 04:56:37 PM
anyone giving Grundy a look? Seriously considering rolling with Goldy/Grundy, Gawn overpriced and Sandi could go ping at anytime and im not that keen on the DPP options up forward (if only Roughy still had his)

Trying to convince myself he is a good option, but I just can't. Not sure why. Can he really increase his average by 10-15 points and be a keeper? Had an impressive back half of last year and got on my radar. I'm sure he will be solid enough. But we know how god like gawn/Goldy are so why bother..
Grundy averaged 89 with Cox in the team and 103 without last season. The last 7 rounds, he scored 100+ on 6 occasions - the only time he didn't, was when Cox was playing.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Sonnydark on March 03, 2017, 05:08:02 PM
There being no standout R2 or back-up Fwd/Ruck, I'm going:

Gawn + Sandi with NO Fwd/Ruck.

This allows me to have Beams, O'Meara, Swallow at M6+7+8 respectively.

If it works out I'm laughing. If Beams, O'Meara, or Sandi breakdown it's trade down/trade up to turn it into a set-and-forget Ruck combo with the best available Rookie at M8.

It's risk vs reward... I think it's worth the risk (with a 2 trade fix) in pursuit of the reward.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: frenzy on March 03, 2017, 05:41:55 PM
Ryder owners need Lobbe outta the team, Ryder the sole Ruck and outta the Fwd line. Can't see it happening myself.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 03, 2017, 06:01:24 PM
Ryder owners need Lobbe outta the team, Ryder the sole Ruck and outta the Fwd line. Can't see it happening myself.

Port played Trengove ahead of Lobbe and then tried to trade him, fair to say they don't rate him.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: HoleMeal on March 03, 2017, 07:42:34 PM
There being no standout R2 or back-up Fwd/Ruck, I'm going:

Gawn + Sandi with NO Fwd/Ruck.

This allows me to have Beams, O'Meara, Swallow at M6+7+8 respectively.

If it works out I'm laughing. If Beams, O'Meara, or Sandi breakdown it's trade down/trade up to turn it into a set-and-forget Ruck combo with the best available Rookie at M8.

It's risk vs reward... I think it's worth the risk (with a 2 trade fix) in pursuit of the reward.

I am warming to this myself.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Woppa15 on March 03, 2017, 08:22:54 PM
I don't think it's as much a question as to whether Gawn and Goldy will avg 105, 110, 115 or 120+. I think it's more of a question as to whether we believe any of the other ruckman will avg as much as Gawn and Goldy. I'm not sure what Goldyhawn will avg but I am confident they will be the top two ruckman and I don't think the others can get close enough hence why I am going set and forget.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Sonnydark on March 03, 2017, 11:17:04 PM
I don't think it's as much a question as to whether Gawn and Goldy will avg 105, 110, 115 or 120+. I think it's more of a question as to whether we believe any of the other ruckman will avg as much as Gawn and Goldy. I'm not sure what Goldyhawn will avg but I am confident they will be the top two ruckman and I don't think the others can get close enough hence why I am going set and forget.

This is exactly the point.

Up until this week I believed Gawn-Goldstein would be the best scoring Rucks by the season's end, and had them locked away as my set-and-forget combo.

It's the doubts on Goldstein that have forced me to reconsider. This is the first season I've played where every other premium R2 presents as many cons as they do pros. I don't see an obvious set-and-forget R2.

Sandy therefore almost forces himself as R2. There is as much chance of him averaging 105 as Goldstein averaging 105.

In other words, we're saying the same thing. Except you're interpreting it to get Goldstein, and I'm interpreting it to get Sandy.

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 04, 2017, 10:45:34 AM
I'm really hoping Darcy Cameron gets named Round 1 because he would solve all our headaches

Would mean I can pass on Ryder/Nank/Lycett, and Cameron scores very well for SC too. Scored 42 from just 30% TOG last night after scoring 80+ in first JLT and last year he averaged 90+ (can't remember exact number)

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Nige on March 04, 2017, 11:40:03 AM
If Nank continues to perform well in the rest of our JLT games, I'm genuinely gonna consider going Gawn -> Nank and running with a Nank/Sandi/Cameron combo. Flawless option really.  ;)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 04, 2017, 11:43:16 AM
Only 4 tons after the bye but that was because he was playing injured. Holz has said it all before and I won't repeat it again.

Also Preuss won't play if Goldy is killing it and Daw lives upto his hype. As if there's a spot for him. They've NEVER managed his load before as if they'd begin to do it now. They didn't play currie when he was on the cusp of leaving as if now is any different.

North are in rebuild mode, don't be surprised if there's some experimentation along the way.

Understand that but North aren't really that much worse off than last year. They're still a 6-12 team with a draw that isn't as hard as most people make it out to be. I expect them to be 0-4 but after that they have many winnable games. If Lycett doesn't get up Round 1 Goldy could give you a 150 Round one. Massive.

North will be in the bottom 4. They ain't a 6-12 team
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 04, 2017, 11:45:34 AM
I'm really hoping Darcy Cameron gets named Round 1 because he would solve all our headaches

Would mean I can pass on Ryder/Nank/Lycett, and Cameron scores very well for SC too. Scored 42 from just 30% TOG last night after scoring 80+ in first JLT and last year he averaged 90+ (can't remember exact number)

Yes it would but still think they will play Naismith with just tippett as back up
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 04, 2017, 11:50:18 AM
Can't wait to see how the Giraffe Sandi goes today
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 04, 2017, 11:53:34 AM
Can't wait to see how the Giraffe Sandi goes today
Be great to see him do a dudder and watch his % selection drop through the floor.  ;D
More than likely kick out 100 pts from 65-70% TOG and double his selection %
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 04, 2017, 11:55:57 AM
Can't wait to see how the Giraffe Sandi goes today
Be great to see him do a dudder and watch his % selection drop through the floor.  ;D
More than likely kick out 100 pts from 65-70% TOG and double his selection %

One thing we don't want is any little niggles or injuries otherwise people will leave him out in droves
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 04, 2017, 05:04:18 PM
211 ownership to double ?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ricochet on March 04, 2017, 05:22:56 PM
211 ownership to double ?
:(
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 04, 2017, 06:12:23 PM
211 ownership to double ?

Yep, unfortunately. Was hoping they'd give him a quarter.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: dicko_ on March 04, 2017, 09:52:37 PM
211 ownership to double ?

Not sure that will be the case. Most of the issues I see people having with him relate to durability rather than scoring, which this score does nothing to alleviate.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on March 04, 2017, 10:11:19 PM
211 ownership to double ?

Not sure that will be the case. Most of the issues I see people having with him relate to durability rather than scoring, which this score does nothing to alleviate.
Beg to differ slightly I my case it was is his scoring potential 105+.  He is priced at just over 72 so with playing 6 of first 9 games in Perth and he can average that 105 should see his price rise nicely enabling a trade to best performing Ruck after Gawn or keep till he goes down. Think quite a few people are adopting that policy.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 04, 2017, 10:12:21 PM
211 ownership to double ?

Not sure that will be the case. Most of the issues I see people having with him relate to durability rather than scoring, which this score does nothing to alleviate.

Hope you are right. The more people that don't start him the better.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 04, 2017, 10:15:07 PM
211 ownership to double ?

Not sure that will be the case. Most of the issues I see people having with him relate to durability rather than scoring, which this score does nothing to alleviate.
Beg to differ slightly I my case it was is his scoring potential 105+.  He is priced at just over 72 so with playing 6 of first 9 games in Perth and he can average that 105 should see his price rise nicely enabling a trade to best performing Ruck after Gawn or keep till he goes down. Think quite a few people are adopting that policy.

I never remotely had a worry about his scoring potential.
If the bloke played a full game today and scored 30 I would of picked him.
All I wanted was to see him play decent minutes.

Probably the biggest(literally) must have of the season now.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: GCSkiwi on March 05, 2017, 09:39:14 AM
211 ownership to double ?

Not sure that will be the case. Most of the issues I see people having with him relate to durability rather than scoring, which this score does nothing to alleviate.
Beg to differ slightly I my case it was is his scoring potential 105+.  He is priced at just over 72 so with playing 6 of first 9 games in Perth and he can average that 105 should see his price rise nicely enabling a trade to best performing Ruck after Gawn or keep till he goes down. Think quite a few people are adopting that policy.

Exactly what I'm doing. All I wanna say is look at 2014/2015. Everyone questioned Sandi's durability after the great turf toe of 2011-13. Those were two seasons of 21 games, averaging 108 both years, on the back of a long running injury which hasn't recurred since they figured out how to manage/treat it properly. Durability? Check. Scoring? Check.

Last season NicNat broke his ribs and punctured a lung... That's not like it's a result of poor conditioning and has a high probability of recurring. Then when he came back late in the year, Fyfe is gone, there's no-one doing much because Freo's cooked by then. Write off the entire of last season. Then he missed the start of JLT because of a calf injury

I don't understand most of the chatter about lack of durability on here. Someone who repeatedly gets the same injury, sure. Turf toe Sandi lacked durability. Shaun -"has anyone seen my hammies"- Higgins lacked durability. Anthony -"can we put in a coupla spare ACLs?"- Morabito lacked durability. 300k Sandi is a steal for what he can do on the scoreboard, and if he plays every game and averages 117 up to his bye (which he did in 2014) then you're laughing.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ingram on March 05, 2017, 10:30:12 AM
I feel for me personally risking Sandi is OK for me because I have decent ruck backups with Preuss and Cameron.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 05, 2017, 10:49:56 AM

shower,   what will be the impact of this (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/melbourne-ruckman-max-gawn-knows-footy-is-a-mix-of-fact-and-fiction-but-his-rise-is-real/news-story/71e4b70b061ee8c5688c2bfde459cc7e) on Gawns SC output.    Giving me thought about a Goldy start and pickup Gawn mid season.





Quote
MAX Gawn has revealed he may play as much time forward as he does in the ruck this season.[/font][/size]Gawn, 25, enjoyed his breakout season last year, winning All-Australian honours and finishing third in Melbourne’s best and fairest award (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/melbourne-midfielder-jack-viney-has-won-the-demons-best-and-fairest-award/news-story/ae88dd56bfb182ea09db47d9ce2fea05), but says there is a chance he might work in tandem this season with teammate Jake Spencer.[/font][/size]
He said Demons coach Simon Goodwin was leaning towards a dual ruck system that the team had trialled during the JLT Community Series matches.[/font][/size]
“The role has changed a bit,” Gawn said.[/font][/size]
“Goody has a bit of a different role for me than Roosy (Paul Roos) did.”[/font][/size]
“They have different philosophies in the way they play and the role they have for ruckmen, and it all might change a bit more with the third-man up change.[/font][/size]“If Jake doesn’t play, I will be 95 per cent in the ruck. But if Jake does play, I will obviously be going forward a lot more.[/font][/size]
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Southstorm on March 05, 2017, 10:56:56 AM

shower,   what will be the impact of this (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/melbourne-ruckman-max-gawn-knows-footy-is-a-mix-of-fact-and-fiction-but-his-rise-is-real/news-story/71e4b70b061ee8c5688c2bfde459cc7e) on Gawns SC output.    Giving me thought about a Goldy start and pickup Gawn mid season.





Quote
MAX Gawn has revealed he may play as much time forward as he does in the ruck this season.[/font][/size]Gawn, 25, enjoyed his breakout season last year, winning All-Australian honours and finishing third in Melbourne’s best and fairest award (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/melbourne-midfielder-jack-viney-has-won-the-demons-best-and-fairest-award/news-story/ae88dd56bfb182ea09db47d9ce2fea05), but says there is a chance he might work in tandem this season with teammate Jake Spencer.[/font][/size]
He said Demons coach Simon Goodwin was leaning towards a dual ruck system that the team had trialled during the JLT Community Series matches.[/font][/size]
“The role has changed a bit,” Gawn said.[/font][/size]
“Goody has a bit of a different role for me than Roosy (Paul Roos) did.”[/font][/size]
“They have different philosophies in the way they play and the role they have for ruckmen, and it all might change a bit more with the third-man up change.[/font][/size]“If Jake doesn’t play, I will be 95 per cent in the ruck. But if Jake does play, I will obviously be going forward a lot more.[/font][/size]
I wouldn't read too much into it. It's that time of the year where players and coaches come out and say a few odd things here and there
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Gigantor on March 05, 2017, 10:57:47 AM

shower,   what will be the impact of this (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/melbourne-ruckman-max-gawn-knows-footy-is-a-mix-of-fact-and-fiction-but-his-rise-is-real/news-story/71e4b70b061ee8c5688c2bfde459cc7e) on Gawns SC output.    Giving me thought about a Goldy start and pickup Gawn mid season.





Quote
MAX Gawn has revealed he may play as much time forward as he does in the ruck this season.[/font][/size]Gawn, 25, enjoyed his breakout season last year, winning All-Australian honours and finishing third in Melbourne’s best and fairest award (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/melbourne-midfielder-jack-viney-has-won-the-demons-best-and-fairest-award/news-story/ae88dd56bfb182ea09db47d9ce2fea05), but says there is a chance he might work in tandem this season with teammate Jake Spencer.[/font][/size]
He said Demons coach Simon Goodwin was leaning towards a dual ruck system that the team had trialled during the JLT Community Series matches.[/font][/size]
“The role has changed a bit,” Gawn said.[/font][/size]
“Goody has a bit of a different role for me than Roosy (Paul Roos) did.”[/font][/size]
“They have different philosophies in the way they play and the role they have for ruckmen, and it all might change a bit more with the third-man up change.[/font][/size]“If Jake doesn’t play, I will be 95 per cent in the ruck. But if Jake does play, I will obviously be going forward a lot more.[/font][/size]

What the flower do we do if both Spencer and Preuss are named round one haha
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 05, 2017, 11:10:54 AM
Spencer's a flowering potato and Gawn can still crush when he goes forward
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 05, 2017, 11:12:08 AM

shower,   what will be the impact of this (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/melbourne-ruckman-max-gawn-knows-footy-is-a-mix-of-fact-and-fiction-but-his-rise-is-real/news-story/71e4b70b061ee8c5688c2bfde459cc7e) on Gawns SC output.    Giving me thought about a Goldy start and pickup Gawn mid season.





Quote
MAX Gawn has revealed he may play as much time forward as he does in the ruck this season.[/font][/size]Gawn, 25, enjoyed his breakout season last year, winning All-Australian honours and finishing third in Melbourne’s best and fairest award (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/melbourne-midfielder-jack-viney-has-won-the-demons-best-and-fairest-award/news-story/ae88dd56bfb182ea09db47d9ce2fea05), but says there is a chance he might work in tandem this season with teammate Jake Spencer.[/font][/size]
He said Demons coach Simon Goodwin was leaning towards a dual ruck system that the team had trialled during the JLT Community Series matches.[/font][/size]
“The role has changed a bit,” Gawn said.[/font][/size]
“Goody has a bit of a different role for me than Roosy (Paul Roos) did.”[/font][/size]
“They have different philosophies in the way they play and the role they have for ruckmen, and it all might change a bit more with the third-man up change.[/font][/size]“If Jake doesn’t play, I will be 95 per cent in the ruck. But if Jake does play, I will obviously be going forward a lot more.[/font][/size]

What the flower do we do if both Spencer and Preuss are named round one haha

Sandi r1 witts r2 yolo!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: GoLions on March 05, 2017, 11:49:14 AM

shower,   what will be the impact of this (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/melbourne-ruckman-max-gawn-knows-footy-is-a-mix-of-fact-and-fiction-but-his-rise-is-real/news-story/71e4b70b061ee8c5688c2bfde459cc7e) on Gawns SC output.    Giving me thought about a Goldy start and pickup Gawn mid season.





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MAX Gawn has revealed he may play as much time forward as he does in the ruck this season.[/font][/size]Gawn, 25, enjoyed his breakout season last year, winning All-Australian honours and finishing third in Melbourne’s best and fairest award (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/melbourne-midfielder-jack-viney-has-won-the-demons-best-and-fairest-award/news-story/ae88dd56bfb182ea09db47d9ce2fea05), but says there is a chance he might work in tandem this season with teammate Jake Spencer.[/font][/size]
He said Demons coach Simon Goodwin was leaning towards a dual ruck system that the team had trialled during the JLT Community Series matches.[/font][/size]
“The role has changed a bit,” Gawn said.[/font][/size]
“Goody has a bit of a different role for me than Roosy (Paul Roos) did.”[/font][/size]
“They have different philosophies in the way they play and the role they have for ruckmen, and it all might change a bit more with the third-man up change.[/font][/size]“If Jake doesn’t play, I will be 95 per cent in the ruck. But if Jake does play, I will obviously be going forward a lot more.[/font][/size]

What the flower do we do if both Spencer and Preuss are named round one haha

Sandi r1 witts r2 yolo!
Witts for loopholing purposes, could save a bit of cash with the bargain basement rucks imho
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 05, 2017, 11:55:11 AM

shower,   what will be the impact of this (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/melbourne-ruckman-max-gawn-knows-footy-is-a-mix-of-fact-and-fiction-but-his-rise-is-real/news-story/71e4b70b061ee8c5688c2bfde459cc7e) on Gawns SC output.    Giving me thought about a Goldy start and pickup Gawn mid season.





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MAX Gawn has revealed he may play as much time forward as he does in the ruck this season.[/font][/size]Gawn, 25, enjoyed his breakout season last year, winning All-Australian honours and finishing third in Melbourne’s best and fairest award (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/melbourne-midfielder-jack-viney-has-won-the-demons-best-and-fairest-award/news-story/ae88dd56bfb182ea09db47d9ce2fea05), but says there is a chance he might work in tandem this season with teammate Jake Spencer.[/font][/size]
He said Demons coach Simon Goodwin was leaning towards a dual ruck system that the team had trialled during the JLT Community Series matches.[/font][/size]
“The role has changed a bit,” Gawn said.[/font][/size]
“Goody has a bit of a different role for me than Roosy (Paul Roos) did.”[/font][/size]
“They have different philosophies in the way they play and the role they have for ruckmen, and it all might change a bit more with the third-man up change.[/font][/size]“If Jake doesn’t play, I will be 95 per cent in the ruck. But if Jake does play, I will obviously be going forward a lot more.[/font][/size]
I wouldn't read too much into it. It's that time of the year where players and coaches come out and say a few odd things here and there

Spencer cannot play forward, so I cannot see how this arrangement would work. In any case, if Gawn isn't sole ruck I'll just do a round 3 downgrade to Goldy or whoever is tearing it up.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: dmac07 on March 05, 2017, 12:07:25 PM

What the flower do we do if both Spencer and Preuss are named round one haha
[/quote]

Grundy and Sandi combo anyone? Though Id be happy to take the risk on Grundy being more unique for me!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Nige on March 05, 2017, 12:08:27 PM
Grundy and Sandi combo anyone? Though Id be happy to take the risk on Grundy being more unique for me!
All over it already.  8)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 05, 2017, 12:12:44 PM
Well I've been adamant that I would not get Sandi but also not blind to the advantage he gives enabling another gun on one of the other lines think he will be the most picked ruck after yesterday , he played most of the game and scored big and unless his body fails in the last game I now have to consider because if his body fails early in the season a lot of people will be in the same boat .
If he does go down early then dealing with it is where I would differ to most I am not at all interested in players like Ryder or Nank in my FWD's and if you look at Sandi's history when he is injured it is usually for a good stint so think I would just bite the bullet and double trade if it happened before he made any money but really have to consider him it is to much of an advantage to those who pick him if  he does string a lot of games early.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 05, 2017, 05:46:44 PM
Nank taking the honours over Ryder. Might have to reassess my back-up situation.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 05, 2017, 05:52:15 PM
Nank taking the honours over Ryder. Might have to reassess my back-up situation.

It's Nank or nothing for me. Just not liking Ryder at all and today just confirms it

1/2 time and Ryder has ZERO possessions with 14 hitouts
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 05, 2017, 05:55:38 PM
Nank taking the honours over Ryder. Might have to reassess my back-up situation.

It's Nank or nothing for me. Just not liking Ryder at all and today just confirms it

1/2 time and Ryder has ZERO possessions with 14 hitouts

Nank killing him around the ground and that's Ryder's strength. The extra 60k will also come in handy.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 05, 2017, 06:35:28 PM
Don't understand why people going with Sandi have the need to spend close to or more than 400K for someone in there FWD's that might avg. 80 if they are lucky then if Sandi gets injured they are willing to move that average avg. into the rucks and then weaken there forward line in the process ... be bold take a risk and if Sandi fails trade him out .
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: js19 on March 05, 2017, 06:38:03 PM
Nank 106 at 3/4 time with Maric in the team. Make of that what you want.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: TomK on March 05, 2017, 06:39:41 PM
Don't understand why people going with Sandi have the need to spend close to or more than 400K for someone in there FWD's that might avg. 80 if they are lucky then if Sandi gets injured they are willing to move that average avg. into the rucks and then weaken there forward line in the process ... be bold take a risk and if Sandi fails trade him out .
Are you saying Ryder and Nank would be lucky to average 80? lol
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Mat0369 on March 05, 2017, 06:42:34 PM
Nank 106 at 3/4 time with Maric in the team. Make of that what you want.

I'm pretty sure Maric has just come on.

Are you saying Ryder and Nank would be lucky to average 80? lol

Nank will probably go 75-80, Ryder will inconsistently average a floor of 85 to a ceiling of 105 so I'll say a 95 average for the season. 
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 05, 2017, 06:47:22 PM
Don't understand why people going with Sandi have the need to spend close to or more than 400K for someone in there FWD's that might avg. 80 if they are lucky then if Sandi gets injured they are willing to move that average avg. into the rucks and then weaken there forward line in the process ... be bold take a risk and if Sandi fails trade him out .
Are you saying Ryder and Nank would be lucky to average 80? lol

Yep if you would not pick them normally don't pick them to cover someone else
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: GCSkiwi on March 05, 2017, 06:48:05 PM
Are you saying Ryder and Nank would be lucky to average 80? lol

Nank will probably go 75-80, Ryder will inconsistently average a floor of 85 to a ceiling of 105 so I'll say a 95 average for the season.

85-105 sounds consistent as hell to me haha! for 418k I think that would have to be close to a lock. I don't think he's going to go that well and I'm having a reassessment.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: jfitty on March 05, 2017, 06:50:57 PM
Nankervis and Sandilands looking tempting ??? ???

Is Hampson fit Tigers fans? Surely they wouldn't play two of these three guys
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Mat0369 on March 05, 2017, 06:51:55 PM
85-105 sounds consistent as hell to me haha! for 418k I think that would have to be close to a lock. I don't think he's going to go that well and I'm having a reassessment.

Week to week he isn't consistent at all. He has always put up stinkers or found a way to get suspended. Considering the bye it's not ideal and I wouldn't want to fork out 400k for an 85 average to start the year. Wait until he has his bye, drops in price and grab him then as cover for the year and a loophole option at F6.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: _wato on March 05, 2017, 06:57:10 PM
Yeah only thing that worries me is Hampson. What's he doing?

Maric will not play. If Nank plays lonesome Round 1 he'll be super tempting
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 05, 2017, 07:05:38 PM
Yeah only thing that worries me is Hampson. What's he doing?

Maric will not play. If Nank plays lonesome Round 1 he'll be super tempting

We'll play one ruck only, Griffiths will play back up. I reckon today has convinced me to pick Nankervis, 15 touches (10 contested), 22 hit outs, 5 tackles and 1 goal.

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Gigantor on March 05, 2017, 07:07:12 PM
Yeah only thing that worries me is Hampson. What's he doing?

Maric will not play. If Nank plays lonesome Round 1 he'll be super tempting

Another issue with Nank is you will have to lock him in on Thursday before the Sunday teams are finalised
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: _wato on March 05, 2017, 07:13:50 PM
Yeah only thing that worries me is Hampson. What's he doing?

Maric will not play. If Nank plays lonesome Round 1 he'll be super tempting

Another issue with Nank is you will have to lock him in on Thursday before the Sunday teams are finalised

What's wrong with that? I'd rather that tbh, imagine choosing him and then finding out on Sunday he's playing with Hampson or Maric who are late call ups. That'd stuff you right over.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: aces-high on March 05, 2017, 07:23:58 PM
gawn and nank locked for me. Nank is the pefect fit for us at Richmond. He's a presence and will average 85+ cant see Hampson playing. Maric will be in the 2's all year. A big guy that tackles and can mark are rare. Reminds me of big boy mummy that gets more of the pill. Will be given every opportunity
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Grufflez on March 05, 2017, 07:26:10 PM
Can't see Nank being a great long term keeper or money maker.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 05, 2017, 07:30:52 PM
Nank has the beautiful round 12 bye, is only 360k and has shown in his short career that he goes well as the number 1 ruck

360k is cheap for a guy who could go 90+ and provide cover

I reckon I'm going to lock Nank in. Will use a corrective trade if need be, but I reckon he can become a keeper at F6/F7/R3

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 05, 2017, 07:44:07 PM
Nank has the beautiful round 12 bye, is only 360k and has shown in his short career that he goes well as the number 1 ruck

360k is cheap for a guy who could go 90+ and provide cover

I reckon I'm going to lock Nank in. Will use a corrective trade if need be, but I reckon he can become a keeper at F6/F7/R3

More than happy to keep him for the entire season, if you were seaching for an appropriate F7 he'd tick all the boxes. He's also a tackling machine so will more than compensate for the lack of hit outs. His taps to advantage have actually been pretty good lately.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 05, 2017, 07:44:26 PM
Nank has the beautiful round 12 bye, is only 360k and has shown in his short career that he goes well as the number 1 ruck

360k is cheap for a guy who could go 90+ and provide cover

I reckon I'm going to lock Nank in. Will use a corrective trade if need be, but I reckon he can become a keeper at F6/F7/R3
Cheaper better version of Ryder based on what he has displayed.   I currently have Cameron at F7 and 400k in the bank so Nank is definite consideration as I feel we can get same output for lower price compared to the 2nd tier fwds over 400k.    Dahl only premium fwd this year so far.,
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: jfitty on March 05, 2017, 07:50:46 PM
Nank has the beautiful round 12 bye, is only 360k and has shown in his short career that he goes well as the number 1 ruck

360k is cheap for a guy who could go 90+ and provide cover

I reckon I'm going to lock Nank in. Will use a corrective trade if need be, but I reckon he can become a keeper at F6/F7/R3

Where would you start him RD? Up forward instead of Ryder?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 05, 2017, 07:51:44 PM
Nank has the beautiful round 12 bye, is only 360k and has shown in his short career that he goes well as the number 1 ruck

360k is cheap for a guy who could go 90+ and provide cover

I reckon I'm going to lock Nank in. Will use a corrective trade if need be, but I reckon he can become a keeper at F6/F7/R3

Where would you start him RD? Up forward instead of Ryder?

Yep, F4 or even F5
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: pendles93 on March 05, 2017, 08:17:27 PM
I'm hearing Hampson has ongoing back issues. He doesn't do anywhere near as much as Nank around the grounds either.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 05, 2017, 08:20:09 PM
I'm hearing Hampson has ongoing back issues. He doesn't do anywhere near as much as Nank around the grounds either.

Hampson is insurance, pure and simple. We played him last year because Maric ran out off puff, it was basically last man standing. The other point is Hardwick rarely plays two rucks, it's happened maybe half a dozen times over the past few years.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 05, 2017, 08:31:04 PM
Anyone got the stones to go Nank R1 Sandi R2?

Let's assume the two combined average 200 a week - will be 30 short of Gawn/Goldy but 600k cheaper!

I'm going to play around with it just for the lolz to see what I come up with  ;D
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: pendles93 on March 05, 2017, 08:36:27 PM
Anyone got the stones to go Nank R1 Sandi R2?

Let's assume the two combined average 200 a week - will be 30 short of Gawn/Goldy but 600k cheaper!

I'm going to play around with it just for the lolz to see what I come up with  ;D

DONT play around with it. It makes your mouth water to the point you can't look back when you see how deep you can go in the other lines hahaha.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 05, 2017, 08:37:24 PM
Anyone got the stones to go Nank R1 Sandi R2?

Let's assume the two combined average 200 a week - will be 30 short of Gawn/Goldy but 600k cheaper!

I'm going to play around with it just for the lolz to see what I come up with  ;D

I thought about it, could absolutely beef up the forward line with no rookie exposure.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Sonnydark on March 06, 2017, 09:51:04 AM
Anyone got the stones to go Nank R1 Sandi R2?

Let's assume the two combined average 200 a week - will be 30 short of Gawn/Goldy but 600k cheaper!

I'm going to play around with it just for the lolz to see what I come up with  ;D

DONT play around with it. It makes your mouth water to the point you can't look back when you see how deep you can go in the other lines hahaha.

My little effort, RD:

D: Laird; Tuohy; Marchbank; Hampton; Otten; Vickers-Willis (Hibberd; Stewart)

M: Hannebery; Selwood; Treloar; Zorko; Fyfe; Mitchell; Beams; Swallow (Powell-Pepper; Barrett; Wigg)

R: SANDINANKS (Cameron)

F: Dalhaus; Macrae; Miller; Petracca; Roughhead; Taranto (Black; Butler)

Bank: $0

May sit on this for a couple of days. Should probably insert Pickett as a midfield emergency to create a loop; and would consider McCluggage for Taranto.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: jfitty on March 06, 2017, 09:55:40 AM
NANKILANDS has a better ring to it I think 8)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Keeper27 on March 06, 2017, 09:58:10 AM
NANKILANDS has a better ring to it I think 8)

agreed, but i dont have the balls to start with it
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: GCSkiwi on March 06, 2017, 11:07:17 AM
Anyone got the stones to go Nank R1 Sandi R2?

Let's assume the two combined average 200 a week - will be 30 short of Gawn/Goldy but 600k cheaper!

I'm going to play around with it just for the lolz to see what I come up with  ;D

Was looking through teams, eaglesman is doing it. I don't think it's worth the risk personally, if Sandi goes down you're playing Nank & Ryder/Lycett/other... Would you be happwity Nankyder right now as your R1/R2??
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Sonnydark on March 06, 2017, 11:16:53 AM
Anyone got the stones to go Nank R1 Sandi R2?

Let's assume the two combined average 200 a week - will be 30 short of Gawn/Goldy but 600k cheaper!

I'm going to play around with it just for the lolz to see what I come up with  ;D

Was looking through teams, eaglesman is doing it. I don't think it's worth the risk personally, if Sandi goes down you're playing Nank & Ryder/Lycett/other... Would you be happwity Nankyder right now as your R1/R2??

That's making the assumption you're going with a Ruck cover strategy. If I went for a Nanks-Sandilands combination it would be with NO Ruck cover, knowing that if either of them goes down it would be a two-trade fix (trade one of your premiums down to a Rookie, and turn Sandi/Nanks into the best Ruck ultra-premium).
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 06, 2017, 11:27:50 AM
If Hampson was on LTI list I would be tempted myself to get the Nank , last report I saw on Hampson was about week and a half ago tight and stiff back still 2 1/2 weeks till kick off will see what unfolds
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: BomberSam on March 06, 2017, 11:42:40 AM
I hate myself. Currently going Gawn and Sandilands with the Nank at F4.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Sabretooth Tigers on March 06, 2017, 12:49:28 PM
I hate myself. Currently going Gawn and Sandilands with the Nank at F4.

Exactly ditto, with Roughy at F.3   
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 06, 2017, 12:52:06 PM
Anyone got the stones to go Nank R1 Sandi R2?

Let's assume the two combined average 200 a week - will be 30 short of Gawn/Goldy but 600k cheaper!

I'm going to play around with it just for the lolz to see what I come up with  ;D

Was looking through teams, eaglesman is doing it. I don't think it's worth the risk personally, if Sandi goes down you're playing Nank & Ryder/Lycett/other... Would you be happwity Nankyder right now as your R1/R2??

That's making the assumption you're going with a Ruck cover strategy. If I went for a Nanks-Sandilands combination it would be with NO Ruck cover, knowing that if either of them goes down it would be a two-trade fix (trade one of your premiums down to a Rookie, and turn Sandi/Nanks into the best Ruck ultra-premium).

Yep this. If I went with Nank/Sandi I would have no cover.

If it comes to it, JOM/Swallow/any other mid pricer down to a rookie then ruck up to prem

Like I mentioned previously, the saving of 600k by going with these two vs Gawn/Goldy is massive

That said, how do you feel when you don't have Gawn or Goldy and they punch out a 160+?

I'm not sure which way I am going yet, but it's either going to be Nank/Sandi no cover or Gawn/Goldy and Sandi with Nank at F4/5

That's the two options I've narrowed it down to
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: BomberSam on March 06, 2017, 01:21:09 PM
I hate myself. Currently going Gawn and Sandilands with the Nank at F4.

Exactly ditto, with Roughy at F.3   

Higgins at F3 for me.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 06, 2017, 02:26:46 PM
I hate myself. Currently going Gawn and Sandilands with the Nank at F4.

Exactly ditto, with Roughy at F.3   

Who the hell do you have a f456? I can't see one single player that I have the confidence of starting on field. Other than Taranto if he gets named round 1 but that's a big if and he might not last in the side.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 06, 2017, 02:30:29 PM
Anyone got the stones to go Nank R1 Sandi R2?

Let's assume the two combined average 200 a week - will be 30 short of Gawn/Goldy but 600k cheaper!

I'm going to play around with it just for the lolz to see what I come up with  ;D

Was looking through teams, eaglesman is doing it. I don't think it's worth the risk personally, if Sandi goes down you're playing Nank & Ryder/Lycett/other... Would you be happwity Nankyder right now as your R1/R2??

That's making the assumption you're going with a Ruck cover strategy. If I went for a Nanks-Sandilands combination it would be with NO Ruck cover, knowing that if either of them goes down it would be a two-trade fix (trade one of your premiums down to a Rookie, and turn Sandi/Nanks into the best Ruck ultra-premium).

Yep this. If I went with Nank/Sandi I would have no cover.

If it comes to it, JOM/Swallow/any other mid pricer down to a rookie then ruck up to prem

Like I mentioned previously, the saving of 600k by going with these two vs Gawn/Goldy is massive

That said, how do you feel when you don't have Gawn or Goldy and they punch out a 160+?

I'm not sure which way I am going yet, but it's either going to be Nank/Sandi no cover or Gawn/Goldy and Sandi with Nank at F4/5

That's the two options I've narrowed it down to

Ok if you go swallow down to a rookie that means pepper starts on field. ... who are the other 3 reliable starting bench rookies that you can generate you cash? I can't see them.
Wigg questionable to start and job security.
Barrett if he gets upgraded fingers crossed.
Find me one more?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 06, 2017, 02:51:20 PM
Ok if you go swallow down to a rookie that means pepper starts on field. ... who are the other 3 reliable starting bench rookies that you can generate you cash? I can't see them.
Wigg questionable to start and job security.
Barrett if he gets upgraded fingers crossed.
Find me one more?

It was just an example - the point is that we use correctional trades to fix things

A few weeks into the season and we could see more rookies getting a game - can't predict these things just yet
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 06, 2017, 03:05:34 PM
Ok if you go swallow down to a rookie that means pepper starts on field. ... who are the other 3 reliable starting bench rookies that you can generate you cash? I can't see them.
Wigg questionable to start and job security.
Barrett if he gets upgraded fingers crossed.
Find me one more?

It was just an example - the point is that we use correctional trades to fix things

A few weeks into the season and we could see more rookies getting a game - can't predict these things just yet

I agree that rookies will emerge.

At this point I can't see one reliable forward start rookie and I'm hoping that pepper wigg and Barrett will play for cash generation on my bench.

That's why I risking my rucks. I hate that I don't have Gawn and makes me feel very uncomfortable. Whether I start lycett for cover or not remains to be seen. But the only rookie player I think we can play on field with confidence is vickers. I even have my slight doubts on Hampton at the moment feel like he might not make the cut.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: TomK on March 06, 2017, 03:10:22 PM
I even have my slight doubts on Hampton at the moment feel like he might not make the cut.
Lock him in and throw away the key.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Grufflez on March 06, 2017, 03:34:52 PM
Ok if you go swallow down to a rookie that means pepper starts on field. ... who are the other 3 reliable starting bench rookies that you can generate you cash? I can't see them.
Wigg questionable to start and job security.
Barrett if he gets upgraded fingers crossed.
Find me one more?

It was just an example - the point is that we use correctional trades to fix things

A few weeks into the season and we could see more rookies getting a game - can't predict these things just yet

I agree that rookies will emerge.

At this point I can't see one reliable forward start rookie and I'm hoping that pepper wigg and Barrett will play for cash generation on my bench.

That's why I risking my rucks. I hate that I don't have Gawn and makes me feel very uncomfortable. Whether I start lycett for cover or not remains to be seen. But the only rookie player I think we can play on field with confidence is vickers. I even have my slight doubts on Hampton at the moment feel like he might not make the cut.

Jesus sounds like panic stations lol who the hell have you been fielding at M5-8 D4-6 F4-6 each season, all premiums?

Bowes up forward should get a gig then i'll have one of Houstan,Black or that Richmond lad rotate thru F6 and 1 of 4 mid rookies shuld be an ok starter lol.

As Raisy said more will emerge as shower teams give guys a go and injuries kick in ealry, not worried about fielding 3 rookies all up over 2 main lines at all.

Going to be carnage if a couple of popular back rookies go down for teams like yours fielding 1 premo back and dodgy mid pricers like Thurlow.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on March 06, 2017, 04:11:18 PM
I am seriously considering Nankervis and Sandilands with no cover.  As RD says you lose approx 20ppg but pick them up with strengthening other lines. In my team atm I am fielding only 5 players under 250k and no first year players on field.

Sandi has 6 of the first 9 games at Home so unless injury intervenes can see him playing all rounds early.

With the setup I have atm plenty of cope for upgrades as well.

Decided to investigate this low priced ruck strategy given Gawns playing a fair bit forward and doubts on Goldy with Preuss playing. This will allow observation of which rucks will emerge to trade up to if need be.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 06, 2017, 04:13:32 PM
Ok if you go swallow down to a rookie that means pepper starts on field. ... who are the other 3 reliable starting bench rookies that you can generate you cash? I can't see them.
Wigg questionable to start and job security.
Barrett if he gets upgraded fingers crossed.
Find me one more?

It was just an example - the point is that we use correctional trades to fix things

A few weeks into the season and we could see more rookies getting a game - can't predict these things just yet

I agree that rookies will emerge.

At this point I can't see one reliable forward start rookie and I'm hoping that pepper wigg and Barrett will play for cash generation on my bench.

That's why I risking my rucks. I hate that I don't have Gawn and makes me feel very uncomfortable. Whether I start lycett for cover or not remains to be seen. But the only rookie player I think we can play on field with confidence is vickers. I even have my slight doubts on Hampton at the moment feel like he might not make the cut.

Jesus sounds like panic stations lol who the hell have you been fielding at M5-8 D4-6 F4-6 each season, all premiums?

Bowes up forward should get a gig then i'll have one of Houstan,Black or that Richmond lad rotate thru F6 and 1 of 4 mid rookies shuld be an ok starter lol.

As Raisy said more will emerge as shower teams give guys a go and injuries kick in ealry, not worried about fielding 3 rookies all up over 2 main lines at all.

Going to be carnage if a couple of popular back rookies go down for teams like yours fielding 1 premo back and dodgy mid pricers like Thurlow.

Nope I'm realistic. We been gifted with bombers Suns and Giants. Now we don't have those easy ones. I'm hoping for Bowes myself. Butler Houston I'll be very very surprised if they are there round 1. Definitely not panic stations. Thurlow I don't see as being dodgy at all to be honest.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 06, 2017, 04:24:29 PM
Just looking at all the teams that have instantly included the Nank , one would think that Hampson is washed up finished been thrown on scrap heap  ::)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 06, 2017, 05:19:10 PM
Just looking at all the teams that have instantly included the Nank , one would think that Hampson is washed up finished been thrown on scrap heap  ::)

Hampson only played because Maric was cooked

Hammer goes alright with his tap work, but that's it and the amount of positives that have been coming out of Richmond all preseason about the Nank can't be ignored - they love him

I see Nank doing exactly what Maric did. Couldn't get a run at their original club so came over to Richmond and excelled

Hammer is back up. Nank is clearly the man at Richmond
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 06, 2017, 05:27:45 PM
Just looking at all the teams that have instantly included the Nank , one would think that Hampson is washed up finished been thrown on scrap heap  ::)

Hampson only played because Maric was cooked

Hammer goes alright with his tap work, but that's it and the amount of positives that have been coming out of Richmond all preseason about the Nank can't be ignored - they love him

I see Nank doing exactly what Maric did. Couldn't get a run at their original club so came over to Richmond and excelled

Hammer is back up. Nank is clearly the man at Richmond

Nank is also only 22 plus Vickery is gone Hampson will be back don't know when but he will play when fit
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Huttabito on March 06, 2017, 05:37:35 PM
Dimma typically only goes with one ruck doesn't he?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 06, 2017, 05:40:24 PM
Just looking at all the teams that have instantly included the Nank , one would think that Hampson is washed up finished been thrown on scrap heap  ::)

Hampson only played because Maric was cooked

Hammer goes alright with his tap work, but that's it and the amount of positives that have been coming out of Richmond all preseason about the Nank can't be ignored - they love him

I see Nank doing exactly what Maric did. Couldn't get a run at their original club so came over to Richmond and excelled

Hammer is back up. Nank is clearly the man at Richmond

Nank is also only 22 plus Vickery is gone Hampson will be back don't know when but he will play when fit

I see absolutely no reason to bring back Hampson. He's useless as a forward and he's largely useless around the ground. His one skill is hit outs to advantage but the extra 2-3 he achieves a game is hardy worth the extra 4-5 tackles, the extra 5 possessions, the extra contested marks and the extra intensity Nankervis brings to the table. The 'Widow Maker' is our number one man and he will be supported by Griffiths. Hammer comes in when Nank needs a rest or Griffiths falls out of favour.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: js19 on March 06, 2017, 05:43:00 PM
A Nankilands ruck gives me Rough F5, Swallow M8 and potentially Tuohy D3.

Tempting...
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 06, 2017, 05:48:47 PM
Just looking at all the teams that have instantly included the Nank , one would think that Hampson is washed up finished been thrown on scrap heap  ::)

Hampson only played because Maric was cooked

Hammer goes alright with his tap work, but that's it and the amount of positives that have been coming out of Richmond all preseason about the Nank can't be ignored - they love him

I see Nank doing exactly what Maric did. Couldn't get a run at their original club so came over to Richmond and excelled

Hammer is back up. Nank is clearly the man at Richmond

Nank is also only 22 plus Vickery is gone Hampson will be back don't know when but he will play when fit

I see absolutely no reason to bring back Hampson. He's useless as a forward and he's largely useless around the ground. His one skill is hit outs to advantage but the extra 2-3 he achieves a game is hardy worth the extra 4-5 tackles, the extra 5 possessions, the extra contested marks and the extra intensity Nankervis brings to the table. The 'Widow Maker' is our number one man and he will be supported by Griffiths. Hammer comes in when Nank needs a rest or Griffiths falls out of favour.

Yes Hampson is a good tap ruck why I think he will be back in, all this Nank hype is from 2 preseason games one against Jacobs who did not see the game out and the other against a clearly out of form Ryder and useless Lobbe lets see how he goes against Grundy this week but unfortunately we will not see how he goes against the quality rucks till the season
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 06, 2017, 05:53:01 PM
Just looking at all the teams that have instantly included the Nank , one would think that Hampson is washed up finished been thrown on scrap heap  ::)

Hampson only played because Maric was cooked

Hammer goes alright with his tap work, but that's it and the amount of positives that have been coming out of Richmond all preseason about the Nank can't be ignored - they love him

I see Nank doing exactly what Maric did. Couldn't get a run at their original club so came over to Richmond and excelled

Hammer is back up. Nank is clearly the man at Richmond

Nank is also only 22 plus Vickery is gone Hampson will be back don't know when but he will play when fit

I see absolutely no reason to bring back Hampson. He's useless as a forward and he's largely useless around the ground. His one skill is hit outs to advantage but the extra 2-3 he achieves a game is hardy worth the extra 4-5 tackles, the extra 5 possessions, the extra contested marks and the extra intensity Nankervis brings to the table. The 'Widow Maker' is our number one man and he will be supported by Griffiths. Hammer comes in when Nank needs a rest or Griffiths falls out of favour.

Yes Hampson is a good tap ruck why I think he will be back in, all this Nank hype is from 2 preseason games one against Jacobs who did not see the game out and the other against a clearly out of form Ryder and useless Lobbe lets see how he goes against Grundy this week

Nank's last 3 games for Sydney produced 14, 15 & 15 possessions - not bad for a second string ruck. The fact he performed well in a final is also commendable. the only reason he was dropped was to make way for Tippett.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 06, 2017, 06:03:28 PM
Just looking at all the teams that have instantly included the Nank , one would think that Hampson is washed up finished been thrown on scrap heap  ::)

Hampson only played because Maric was cooked

Hammer goes alright with his tap work, but that's it and the amount of positives that have been coming out of Richmond all preseason about the Nank can't be ignored - they love him

I see Nank doing exactly what Maric did. Couldn't get a run at their original club so came over to Richmond and excelled

Hammer is back up. Nank is clearly the man at Richmond

Nank is also only 22 plus Vickery is gone Hampson will be back don't know when but he will play when fit

I see absolutely no reason to bring back Hampson. He's useless as a forward and he's largely useless around the ground. His one skill is hit outs to advantage but the extra 2-3 he achieves a game is hardy worth the extra 4-5 tackles, the extra 5 possessions, the extra contested marks and the extra intensity Nankervis brings to the table. The 'Widow Maker' is our number one man and he will be supported by Griffiths. Hammer comes in when Nank needs a rest or Griffiths falls out of favour.

Yes Hampson is a good tap ruck why I think he will be back in, all this Nank hype is from 2 preseason games one against Jacobs who did not see the game out and the other against a clearly out of form Ryder and useless Lobbe lets see how he goes against Grundy this week

Nank's last 3 games for Sydney produced 14, 15 & 15 possessions - not bad for a second string ruck. The fact he performed well in a final is also commendable. the only reason he was dropped was to make way for Tippett.
Hey Bully I am happy the Tiges got him he will be our No1 ruck just not sure it will be this year
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 06, 2017, 06:06:50 PM
Just looking at all the teams that have instantly included the Nank , one would think that Hampson is washed up finished been thrown on scrap heap  ::)

Hampson only played because Maric was cooked

Hammer goes alright with his tap work, but that's it and the amount of positives that have been coming out of Richmond all preseason about the Nank can't be ignored - they love him

I see Nank doing exactly what Maric did. Couldn't get a run at their original club so came over to Richmond and excelled

Hammer is back up. Nank is clearly the man at Richmond

Nank is also only 22 plus Vickery is gone Hampson will be back don't know when but he will play when fit

I see absolutely no reason to bring back Hampson. He's useless as a forward and he's largely useless around the ground. His one skill is hit outs to advantage but the extra 2-3 he achieves a game is hardy worth the extra 4-5 tackles, the extra 5 possessions, the extra contested marks and the extra intensity Nankervis brings to the table. The 'Widow Maker' is our number one man and he will be supported by Griffiths. Hammer comes in when Nank needs a rest or Griffiths falls out of favour.

Yes Hampson is a good tap ruck why I think he will be back in, all this Nank hype is from 2 preseason games one against Jacobs who did not see the game out and the other against a clearly out of form Ryder and useless Lobbe lets see how he goes against Grundy this week

Nank's last 3 games for Sydney produced 14, 15 & 15 possessions - not bad for a second string ruck. The fact he performed well in a final is also commendable. the only reason he was dropped was to make way for Tippett.
Hey Bully I am happy the Tiges got him he will be our No1 ruck just not sure it will be this year

Hampson hasn't been sighted all preseason, he's been in rehab and has a back strain. Nank get named round 1 and it's his to lose, but I can't see that happening if he maintains this level of form.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 06, 2017, 06:14:22 PM
Just looking at all the teams that have instantly included the Nank , one would think that Hampson is washed up finished been thrown on scrap heap  ::)

Hampson only played because Maric was cooked

Hammer goes alright with his tap work, but that's it and the amount of positives that have been coming out of Richmond all preseason about the Nank can't be ignored - they love him

I see Nank doing exactly what Maric did. Couldn't get a run at their original club so came over to Richmond and excelled

Hammer is back up. Nank is clearly the man at Richmond

Nank is also only 22 plus Vickery is gone Hampson will be back don't know when but he will play when fit

I see absolutely no reason to bring back Hampson. He's useless as a forward and he's largely useless around the ground. His one skill is hit outs to advantage but the extra 2-3 he achieves a game is hardy worth the extra 4-5 tackles, the extra 5 possessions, the extra contested marks and the extra intensity Nankervis brings to the table. The 'Widow Maker' is our number one man and he will be supported by Griffiths. Hammer comes in when Nank needs a rest or Griffiths falls out of favour.

Yes Hampson is a good tap ruck why I think he will be back in, all this Nank hype is from 2 preseason games one against Jacobs who did not see the game out and the other against a clearly out of form Ryder and useless Lobbe lets see how he goes against Grundy this week

Nank's last 3 games for Sydney produced 14, 15 & 15 possessions - not bad for a second string ruck. The fact he performed well in a final is also commendable. the only reason he was dropped was to make way for Tippett.
Hey Bully I am happy the Tiges got him he will be our No1 ruck just not sure it will be this year

Hampson hasn't been sighted all preseason, he's been in rehab and has a back strain. Nank get named round 1 and it's his to lose, but I can't see that happening if he maintains this level of form.

I know it's a while ago but nank in his Jnr days boasted monster SuperCoach scores at under18 level (talking 200+). Some might see that as irrelevant but could it be he just needed the time like all other rucks to develop at afl level and now has the responsibility to shoulder the number 1 ruck duties.
This has been a great get by the tigers and I'm not missing the boat.
(Funnily enough I actually had nankervis in the first team I made but dismissed him when I thought the rookie situation was a lot more appealing than what the climate is now)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 06, 2017, 06:18:50 PM
Just looking at all the teams that have instantly included the Nank , one would think that Hampson is washed up finished been thrown on scrap heap  ::)

Hampson only played because Maric was cooked

Hammer goes alright with his tap work, but that's it and the amount of positives that have been coming out of Richmond all preseason about the Nank can't be ignored - they love him

I see Nank doing exactly what Maric did. Couldn't get a run at their original club so came over to Richmond and excelled

Hammer is back up. Nank is clearly the man at Richmond

Nank is also only 22 plus Vickery is gone Hampson will be back don't know when but he will play when fit

I see absolutely no reason to bring back Hampson. He's useless as a forward and he's largely useless around the ground. His one skill is hit outs to advantage but the extra 2-3 he achieves a game is hardy worth the extra 4-5 tackles, the extra 5 possessions, the extra contested marks and the extra intensity Nankervis brings to the table. The 'Widow Maker' is our number one man and he will be supported by Griffiths. Hammer comes in when Nank needs a rest or Griffiths falls out of favour.

Yes Hampson is a good tap ruck why I think he will be back in, all this Nank hype is from 2 preseason games one against Jacobs who did not see the game out and the other against a clearly out of form Ryder and useless Lobbe lets see how he goes against Grundy this week

Nank's last 3 games for Sydney produced 14, 15 & 15 possessions - not bad for a second string ruck. The fact he performed well in a final is also commendable. the only reason he was dropped was to make way for Tippett.
Hey Bully I am happy the Tiges got him he will be our No1 ruck just not sure it will be this year

Hampson hasn't been sighted all preseason, he's been in rehab and has a back strain. Nank get named round 1 and it's his to lose, but I can't see that happening if he maintains this level of form.
Yes he has a sore back to what extent nothing has really been said and if he ends up on the LTI list then I agree but with only Griffiths as back up who is injury prone Hampson has to come back in when fit
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 06, 2017, 06:41:50 PM
Just looking at all the teams that have instantly included the Nank , one would think that Hampson is washed up finished been thrown on scrap heap  ::)

Hampson only played because Maric was cooked

Hammer goes alright with his tap work, but that's it and the amount of positives that have been coming out of Richmond all preseason about the Nank can't be ignored - they love him

I see Nank doing exactly what Maric did. Couldn't get a run at their original club so came over to Richmond and excelled

Hammer is back up. Nank is clearly the man at Richmond

Nank is also only 22 plus Vickery is gone Hampson will be back don't know when but he will play when fit

I see absolutely no reason to bring back Hampson. He's useless as a forward and he's largely useless around the ground. His one skill is hit outs to advantage but the extra 2-3 he achieves a game is hardy worth the extra 4-5 tackles, the extra 5 possessions, the extra contested marks and the extra intensity Nankervis brings to the table. The 'Widow Maker' is our number one man and he will be supported by Griffiths. Hammer comes in when Nank needs a rest or Griffiths falls out of favour.

Yes Hampson is a good tap ruck why I think he will be back in, all this Nank hype is from 2 preseason games one against Jacobs who did not see the game out and the other against a clearly out of form Ryder and useless Lobbe lets see how he goes against Grundy this week

Nank's last 3 games for Sydney produced 14, 15 & 15 possessions - not bad for a second string ruck. The fact he performed well in a final is also commendable. the only reason he was dropped was to make way for Tippett.
Hey Bully I am happy the Tiges got him he will be our No1 ruck just not sure it will be this year

Hampson hasn't been sighted all preseason, he's been in rehab and has a back strain. Nank get named round 1 and it's his to lose, but I can't see that happening if he maintains this level of form.
Yes he has a sore back to what extent nothing has really been said and if he ends up on the LTI list then I agree but with only Griffiths as back up who is injury prone Hampson has to come back in when fit

Don't think Hardwick will play all of Nankervis, Griffiths & Hampson. He rarely played a second ruck with Maric so I can't see that changing any time soon.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 06, 2017, 06:47:34 PM
Now more than ever with our new midfield we need a good tap ruck we could differ on this all night but only time will tell  ;)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Grufflez on March 06, 2017, 07:38:23 PM
So he looked good vs a rusty Ryder and a pathetic Port this week..
Who did he look so great against last week?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 06, 2017, 08:11:09 PM
So he looked good vs a rusty Ryder and a pathetic Port this week..
Who did he look so great against last week?

Good game against Jacobs (for the first half).
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: LordSneeze on March 06, 2017, 10:15:17 PM
The way i see it not starting 1 of Gawn or Goldy is really really dangerous as they are likely to be the 2 top rucks this year and are both likely to pull huge numbers on any given week. The low premiums (Grundy Sauce, Martin, Mumford) im ruling out all together and really im looking at either a Set n Forget or SP/MP option.

Super Prems
Gawn - $645k - Implied 119 - High Ceiling (6 games over 150 LY), Prone to poor games (7 games under 100 last year.) Likely average 110
Goldy - $588k - Implied 108 - Proven history,  High Ceiling (2 games over 150 LY, 6 Year before), Prone to poor games (9 games under 100 last year.) Likely Average 110

Not many rucks have been able to back up huge years as teams look at ways to put more pressure on them. Gawn is relatively poor when under pressure so i expect teams to try to put some more pressure on him around the ground. While i expect him to still have big games im expecting a drop off in some of these and his base game. As for Goldy i don't expect a return to the big numbers for 2015, but do expect a bounce back in some form. The extra $57k to me is the deciding factor with 2 players that i cannot split on paper.

Ryder - $418k - Implied 77 - Unknown quantity at Port after year off, Poor Bye, DPP, Likely Average 85-90
Nankervis - $366k - Implied 67 - 11 Games, New Team, Expected no1 Ruck, DPP, Likely Average 85-90
Sandilands - $308k - Implied 57 - Proven scorer, Injury magnet, Soft starting draw, Likely Average 100

So from this the benefit of Sandi is huge, $337k from Gawn to Sandi is huge with potential for cash gains aswell, but the injury concern is a worry. If i was to start Sandi i want cover of some form.
Nankervis showed at the end of last year that he had the potential to score 80 plus with limited hitouts, Richmond have limited ruck options so he should see an increased in his hitouts and time around the ball further his potential, i see some potential for him to average 90+ and become a potential forward keeper. He is also 52k cheaper than Ryder and doesn't have the early bye.

The saving from Gawn to Sandi would allow rookie to Nankervis with $100k left over.

If i was to do this though i would not want many other risks in my team, going guns and rookies maybe with the exception of Roughy and Swallow.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 06, 2017, 10:22:50 PM
So TL:DR you're starting Gawn/Sandi with Nank in the forwards like a lot of us :P
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: LordSneeze on March 06, 2017, 10:29:48 PM
So TL:DR you're starting Gawn/Sandi with Nank in the forwards like a lot of us :P
Goldy/Sandi with Nank
Goldy is underpriced, Gawn overpriced. I expect them to come back together this year.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 06, 2017, 10:30:52 PM
Yep that's what I've currently got too

Had Gawn Sandi since Dec but just changed Gawn to Goldy for the same reason you mentioned
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 06, 2017, 11:29:49 PM
The way i see it not starting 1 of Gawn or Goldy is really really dangerous as they are likely to be the 2 top rucks this year and are both likely to pull huge numbers on any given week. The low premiums (Grundy Sauce, Martin, Mumford) im ruling out all together and really im looking at either a Set n Forget or SP/MP option.

Super Prems
Gawn - $645k - Implied 119 - High Ceiling (6 games over 150 LY), Prone to poor games (7 games under 100 last year.) Likely average 110
Goldy - $588k - Implied 108 - Proven history,  High Ceiling (2 games over 150 LY, 6 Year before), Prone to poor games (9 games under 100 last year.) Likely Average 110

Not many rucks have been able to back up huge years as teams look at ways to put more pressure on them. Gawn is relatively poor when under pressure so i expect teams to try to put some more pressure on him around the ground. While i expect him to still have big games im expecting a drop off in some of these and his base game. As for Goldy i don't expect a return to the big numbers for 2015, but do expect a bounce back in some form. The extra $57k to me is the deciding factor with 2 players that i cannot split on paper.

Ryder - $418k - Implied 77 - Unknown quantity at Port after year off, Poor Bye, DPP, Likely Average 85-90
Nankervis - $366k - Implied 67 - 11 Games, New Team, Expected no1 Ruck, DPP, Likely Average 85-90
Sandilands - $308k - Implied 57 - Proven scorer, Injury magnet, Soft starting draw, Likely Average 100

So from this the benefit of Sandi is huge, $337k from Gawn to Sandi is huge with potential for cash gains aswell, but the injury concern is a worry. If i was to start Sandi i want cover of some form.
Nankervis showed at the end of last year that he had the potential to score 80 plus with limited hitouts, Richmond have limited ruck options so he should see an increased in his hitouts and time around the ball further his potential, i see some potential for him to average 90+ and become a potential forward keeper. He is also 52k cheaper than Ryder and doesn't have the early bye.

The saving from Gawn to Sandi would allow rookie to Nankervis with $100k left over.

If i was to do this though i would not want many other risks in my team, going guns and rookies maybe with the exception of Roughy and Swallow.

This is great analysis. It's what I think and what most think anyways but it's a nice format to read.
One or two poor games at the right time of year for Gawn and goldy is what I'm banking on in conjunction with my rucks scoring in the manner you have outlined.

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Grufflez on March 07, 2017, 12:47:58 AM
So he looked good vs a rusty Ryder and a pathetic Port this week..
Who did he look so great against last week?

Good game against Jacobs (for the first half).

IC ty for the info mate.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Money Shot on March 07, 2017, 12:59:07 AM
You can only start so many mid pricers before it starts to hurt your overall team.

If O'meara and Swallow play well next week they are almost locks.

Beams and Roughy both look like they could go 100 and 90 respectively which is pushing keeper status so they need to be considered.

Sandi/Nank could be keepers but they are much more risky than the others mentioned.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: GoLions on March 07, 2017, 08:41:46 AM
You can only start so many mid pricers before it starts to hurt your overall team.

If O'meara and Swallow play well next week they are almost locks.

Beams and Roughy both look like they could go 100 and 90 respectively which is pushing keeper status so they need to be considered.

Sandi/Nank could be keepers but they are much more risky than the others mentioned.
If you think Beams will avg 100 then you definitely do not start him. 115-120 on the other hand...
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: LordSneeze on March 07, 2017, 09:31:36 AM
You can only start so many mid pricers before it starts to hurt your overall team.

If O'meara and Swallow play well next week they are almost locks.

Beams and Roughy both look like they could go 100 and 90 respectively which is pushing keeper status so they need to be considered.

Sandi/Nank could be keepers but they are much more risky than the others mentioned.
If you think Beams will avg 100 then you definitely do not start him. 115-120 on the other hand...

Beams and O'Meara are no locks. Neither are guaranteed premiums or making enough cash if they don't become a premium to be worth a stepping stone IMO.
Roughy and Swallow should be locks. Roughy should be a FWD prem, Swallow should make enough cash to be a stepping stone.

I know quite a few people will take  quite a few MP players and likely start strongly, but they will be light on rookies and not make enough cash to keep improving their teams compared to those that take the calculated MP options. Im expecting the MP teams to be overrun by much strong super prem teams at around Round 18-19
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 07, 2017, 09:34:45 AM
Yeah but a big reason there is so much mid price madness is because there is flower all rookies

Having Beams/JOM/Swallow at M6-8 and Rough/Nank F4-5 etc is because we have no rookies good enough to field. It's why I'm only starting 2 def prems

Could be the first year in a long time where mid price madness is the way to go
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 07, 2017, 09:44:07 AM
W.H.E Schoenmakers Turner are like more expensive rookies that should be playing and I'm sure 2 or 3 cheapies will pop up the FWD'S are not concerning me that much and mid pricers have ruined seasons past for me so will avoid as many as possible
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: LordSneeze on March 07, 2017, 09:51:45 AM
Yeah but a big reason there is so much mid price madness is because there is flower all rookies

Having Beams/JOM/Swallow at M6-8 and Rough/Nank F4-5 etc is because we have no rookies good enough to field. It's why I'm only starting 2 def prems

Could be the first year in a long time where mid price madness is the way to go

I would disagree, there are always rookies that show up. There are rookies IMO that have a strong chance to play, the MP madness is only a backup option if they don't get up.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 07, 2017, 10:08:20 AM
Yeah but a big reason there is so much mid price madness is because there is flower all rookies

Having Beams/JOM/Swallow at M6-8 and Rough/Nank F4-5 etc is because we have no rookies good enough to field. It's why I'm only starting 2 def prems

Could be the first year in a long time where mid price madness is the way to go

I would disagree, there are always rookies that show up. There are rookies IMO that have a strong chance to play, the MP madness is only a backup option if they don't get up.

there is a big difference in my books in a mid pricer who your hoping to break out like a billings steele or last year a Lonergan and then a premium player who is coming back from injury.

Jaeger averaged 98 his last season (2nd year)

if he can go 90+ ill be happy enough.

Sandi is just too good to pass up. If he can go 95+ will make some quick coin and will use him as a stepping stone to bring in gawn. That 340k gap i reckon will close to 150k at some point and thats easily made up with a double trade.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 07, 2017, 10:51:47 AM
You can only start so many mid pricers before it starts to hurt your overall team.

If O'meara and Swallow play well next week they are almost locks.

Beams and Roughy both look like they could go 100 and 90 respectively which is pushing keeper status so they need to be considered.

Sandi/Nank could be keepers but they are much more risky than the others mentioned.
If you think Beams will avg 100 then you definitely do not start him. 115-120 on the other hand...

Beams and O'Meara are no locks. Neither are guaranteed premiums or making enough cash if they don't become a premium to be worth a stepping stone IMO.
Roughy and Swallow should be locks. Roughy should be a FWD prem, Swallow should make enough cash to be a stepping stone.

I know quite a few people will take  quite a few MP players and likely start strongly, but they will be light on rookies and not make enough cash to keep improving their teams compared to those that take the calculated MP options. Im expecting the MP teams to be overrun by much strong super prem teams at around Round 18-19
Agree with your points LS but it is hard to ignore the MP premo's on offer.   I like the way to categorise each player and this is a great way to clarify in coaches minds the purpose of the selection. 


 I disagree with Beams assessment.  He has the runs on the board.  If he plays the season will be top 10, if plays until byes will be stepping stone.  If he is injured prior to byes we lose.   For me probably the better choice than swallow.     


JOM is POTENTIAL.  However other players who have scored as high as him in their early career have gone on to become Premo and SuperPremo.   Here we have an injury risk and a development risk.  Individual choice on whether to start him or not.   He has been in and out of my team and I am still uncertain which way I will go.   Probably end up depending on number of mid rookie starters.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on March 07, 2017, 12:56:26 PM
Just a few points here

Nankervis is priced at 57 - Expect a minimum of 80 so handy price rise
Sandi is priced at 56 - Capable of going 100+ for first rounds another handy price rise.
Allows upgrade to the best performing rucks. They may be Goldy and Gawn or they may not with some doubt around both.
Regarding Beams he is confident of playing all games this year. Says he is the fittest he has been being forced to do do a lot of upper body strength work. So believe he is capable of 110/115 which will do me for someone priced at 80.

Swallow and O'Meara are stepping stones and too cheap to ignore at prices. If a solid rook arises O'Meara will be the one downgraded.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: elephants on March 07, 2017, 01:05:12 PM
Grundy-Sandi with Nank F5 for me at this stage.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Blues Blues Blues on March 07, 2017, 01:09:29 PM
Currently have Nanky boy at R1 - feel slightly uncomfortable seeing there in that position on my team page. But I guess you need a decent set of plums to be rewarded
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on March 07, 2017, 01:11:38 PM
Another interesting fact I have come across is the number of Rucks that have changed clubs and scored exceptionally in first season at new club - Jacobs, Maric, Martin to name a few so hoping Nank can carry on.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 07, 2017, 01:25:08 PM
Another interesting fact I have come across is the number of Rucks that have changed clubs and scored exceptionally in first season at new club - Jacobs, Maric, Martin to name a few so hoping Nank can carry on.

Can add Mummy to that list.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on March 07, 2017, 01:27:01 PM
Another interesting fact I have come across is the number of Rucks that have changed clubs and scored exceptionally in first season at new club - Jacobs, Maric, Martin to name a few so hoping Nank can carry on.

Can add Mummy to that list.
Forgot him  ;)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 07, 2017, 01:56:39 PM
Johnno Giles has had 4 cracks at joining that club and still can't get a guernsey LOL
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Mat0369 on March 07, 2017, 03:11:09 PM
Leuenberger, Smith, Warnock, Big Boy, Ryder, Currie and a bunch of others are on the Giles list that changed clubs and either regressed or didn't live up to the hype.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Spite on March 07, 2017, 03:13:55 PM
SandiLish anyone? :P
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: pendles93 on March 07, 2017, 07:13:04 PM
"Speaking to @TomMcDonald92 on @SportsdayRadio. Says dual ruckmen Gawn-Spencer was a long shot start of pre-season... every chance now for R1"

645k is a lot of money.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: enzedder on March 07, 2017, 07:38:20 PM
"Speaking to @TomMcDonald92 on @SportsdayRadio. Says dual ruckmen Gawn-Spencer was a long shot start of pre-season... every chance now for R1"

645k is a lot of money.
Set and forget.
I'm prepared to the risk on Gawn and Goldy. 8)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 07, 2017, 11:19:31 PM
"Speaking to @TomMcDonald92 on @SportsdayRadio. Says dual ruckmen Gawn-Spencer was a long shot start of pre-season... every chance now for R1"

645k is a lot of money.

Will pick Goldy if this is the case.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 07, 2017, 11:21:24 PM
"Speaking to @TomMcDonald92 on @SportsdayRadio. Says dual ruckmen Gawn-Spencer was a long shot start of pre-season... every chance now for R1"

645k is a lot of money.

Will pick Goldy if this is the case.

Goldy or nank at r1 for me non-negotiable now.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 07, 2017, 11:40:43 PM
"Speaking to @TomMcDonald92 on @SportsdayRadio. Says dual ruckmen Gawn-Spencer was a long shot start of pre-season... every chance now for R1"

645k is a lot of money.

Will pick Goldy if this is the case.

Goldy or nank at r1 for me non-negotiable now.

Gawn to Goldy, Franklin to Riewoldt for me.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Rusty00 on March 08, 2017, 09:21:17 AM
So what is everyone doing if both Spencer and Preuss are named Rd.1 :P
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 08, 2017, 09:33:43 AM
So what is everyone doing if both Spencer and Preuss are named Rd.1 :P

Nank and Sandi - set and forget  ;D
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on March 08, 2017, 09:34:32 AM
So what is everyone doing if both Spencer and Preuss are named Rd.1 :P

Nank and Sandi - set and forget  ;D
+1
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 08, 2017, 09:34:59 AM
So what is everyone doing if both Spencer and Preuss are named Rd.1 :P

Nank and Sandi - set and forget  ;D

yep set and forget.

Week 4, dam im ranked 50,000 time to forget about this season
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Gigantor on March 08, 2017, 09:35:20 AM
So what is everyone doing if both Spencer and Preuss are named Rd.1 :P
Nankilands!!!!!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 08, 2017, 09:40:53 AM
So what is everyone doing if both Spencer and Preuss are named Rd.1 :P

Nank and Sandi - set and forget  ;D

yep set and forget.

Week 4, dam im ranked 50,000 time to forget about this season

The season we finished high up I was ranked 72k after round 2. Never give up haha
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 08, 2017, 09:45:58 AM
So what is everyone doing if both Spencer and Preuss are named Rd.1 :P

Nank and Sandi - set and forget  ;D

yep set and forget.

Week 4, dam im ranked 50,000 time to forget about this season

The season we finished high up I was ranked 72k after round 2. Never give up haha
2016  30K after round 5 ended up 1484.     Think I was 100k plus for round 4 score  :D :D    never give up. never surrender.     Just posted team with Gawn and gold at R1/2.   Be fun if Spencer and Pruess start.   Not sure i will hold my nerve.   I do have cash to upgrade F4 to Nank though.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 08, 2017, 09:53:22 AM
So what is everyone doing if both Spencer and Preuss are named Rd.1 :P

Nank and Sandi - set and forget  ;D

yep set and forget.

Week 4, dam im ranked 50,000 time to forget about this season

The season we finished high up I was ranked 72k after round 2. Never give up haha

Agree but thats if you have Goldy in your team not Nank.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 08, 2017, 10:06:14 AM
So what is everyone doing if both Spencer and Preuss are named Rd.1 :P

Nank and Sandi - set and forget  ;D

yep set and forget.

Week 4, dam im ranked 50,000 time to forget about this season

The season we finished high up I was ranked 72k after round 2. Never give up haha

Agree but thats if you have Goldy in your team not Nank.

You'll start nank this year or have him before round 3 ... guaranteed
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on March 08, 2017, 01:09:59 PM
Round 3: Spencer gets dropped after 2 pathetic matches in real AFL games, Gawn scores 200 and you cannot afford him at any point for the rest of the season while he averages 130. Muhahahaha
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Hawka on March 08, 2017, 02:17:38 PM
I put Nankilands in my team last night and my Midfield and Forward line look so juicy
Its so tempting haha
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: jfitty on March 08, 2017, 03:25:43 PM
I put Nankilands in my team last night and my Midfield and Forward line look so juicy
Its so tempting haha

Me too... Beams at M7 currently ;D ;D
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 08, 2017, 03:51:12 PM
I put Nankilands in my team last night and my Midfield and Forward line look so juicy
Its so tempting haha

Me too... Beams at M7 currently ;D ;D

jfitty and Hawka yeah your Midfield and Forward line might look good but the ruck line looks weak.

remember Goldy jumped out of the gate last year with 126 95 172 121 125 the man can outscore the premo mids and crushes the premo forwards.

I got Beams at M6 with JOM at m7 and Swallow at m8 with Rougy at f4. so still very strong.

ps Jfitty your a north fan you should know better.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: batt on March 08, 2017, 04:00:42 PM
Don't complicate things.  Max Gawn is still a very tall man.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Sven on March 08, 2017, 04:26:46 PM
I put Nankilands in my team last night and my Midfield and Forward line look so juicy
Its so tempting haha

Me too... Beams at M7 currently ;D ;D

jfitty and Hawka yeah your Midfield and Forward line might look good but the ruck line looks weak.

remember Goldy jumped out of the gate last year with 126 95 172 121 125 the man can outscore the premo mids and crushes the premo forwards.

I got Beams at M6 with JOM at m7 and Swallow at m8 with Rougy at f4. so still very strong.

ps Jfitty your a north fan you should know better.

Goldy wasn't sharing the ruck load like he wants to this year...buyer beware.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/north-melbourne-kangaroos-todd-goldstein-backs-threepronged-ruck-combination-20170301-guoj2z.html
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 08, 2017, 04:38:09 PM
I take it Sven you are also on the Nank bandwagon ...... buyer beware  ;)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 08, 2017, 04:47:32 PM
I put Nankilands in my team last night and my Midfield and Forward line look so juicy
Its so tempting haha

Me too... Beams at M7 currently ;D ;D

jfitty and Hawka yeah your Midfield and Forward line might look good but the ruck line looks weak.

remember Goldy jumped out of the gate last year with 126 95 172 121 125 the man can outscore the premo mids and crushes the premo forwards.

I got Beams at M6 with JOM at m7 and Swallow at m8 with Rougy at f4. so still very strong.

ps Jfitty your a north fan you should know better.

Goldy wasn't sharing the ruck load like he wants to this year...buyer beware.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/north-melbourne-kangaroos-todd-goldstein-backs-threepronged-ruck-combination-20170301-guoj2z.html

he actually said this

"But if they can work their forward craft together, I don't see why we can't work well together as a team."

note he said forward craft

also

"I don't see why we couldn't (play together) - we have very, very different strengths and as long as we're contributing and working to those strengths, I don't see why we couldn't," he told SEN.

he never said anything about sharing the ruck load, he just said they can all fit on one team.

we have only seen one game where they played together and yes Preuss played alot of ruck but its practice for a reason. He also kicked 3 goals which shows he can do something up forward. Goldy also only played 65% TOG so you would suggest that 35% at least Preuss was the sole ruck for the squad.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Rusty00 on March 08, 2017, 04:51:31 PM
I put Nankilands in my team last night and my Midfield and Forward line look so juicy
Its so tempting haha

Me too... Beams at M7 currently ;D ;D

jfitty and Hawka yeah your Midfield and Forward line might look good but the ruck line looks weak.

remember Goldy jumped out of the gate last year with 126 95 172 121 125 the man can outscore the premo mids and crushes the premo forwards.

I got Beams at M6 with JOM at m7 and Swallow at m8 with Rougy at f4. so still very strong.

ps Jfitty your a north fan you should know better.

Goldy wasn't sharing the ruck load like he wants to this year...buyer beware.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/north-melbourne-kangaroos-todd-goldstein-backs-threepronged-ruck-combination-20170301-guoj2z.html
People are reading too much into these comments (and Tom McDonald's comments about Gawn/Spencer). He was probably asked if he thought all 3 could play together in the same team. Of course he's going to say yes, he's hardly going to say that there's only room for 1 of them.

Nowhere did he say that he wants to share the load
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: enzedder on March 08, 2017, 06:13:58 PM
So what is everyone doing if both Spencer and Preuss are named Rd.1 :P
Probably getting Goldy and Gawn.
Balls to the wall.
I could start Nank and Sandi but there's a risk involved haha.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: hawkboy80 on March 08, 2017, 06:20:44 PM
I hate myself. Currently going Gawn and Sandilands with the Nank at F4.

Exactly ditto, with Roughy at F.3   
same same
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 09, 2017, 08:29:59 PM
So GC have played Witts as their main ruck tonight with Wright pinch hitting

No Nicholls

Nicholls was listed as 1-2 weeks with a calf, 3 weeks ago now

Being the last JLT does this make Witts a legit R3 option?

I wouldn't start him personally, but just asking

I figure he is dropped as soon as Nicholls is fit right?

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Mat0369 on March 09, 2017, 09:01:36 PM
So GC have played Witts as their main ruck tonight with Wright pinch hitting

No Nicholls

Nicholls was listed as 1-2 weeks with a calf, 3 weeks ago now

Being the last JLT does this make Witts a legit R3 option?

I wouldn't start him personally, but just asking

I figure he is dropped as soon as Nicholls is fit right?

I had him in my team most of the pre-season but have dropped him. I think if Preuss/Cameron are named they carry just as much value at R3 so that's the way I'll go.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 09, 2017, 09:51:55 PM
So GC have played Witts as their main ruck tonight with Wright pinch hitting

No Nicholls

Nicholls was listed as 1-2 weeks with a calf, 3 weeks ago now

Being the last JLT does this make Witts a legit R3 option?

I wouldn't start him personally, but just asking

I figure he is dropped as soon as Nicholls is fit right?

Sandi r1 witts r2 nank f6 ... I'm doing it let the roller coaster begin
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Sven on March 09, 2017, 10:28:08 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-09/tigers-put-shaun-hampson-on-longterm-injury-list

 :o

Well I guess that settles it....Nank is a lock.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: AaronKirk on March 10, 2017, 12:01:20 AM
Witts did get 31 hitouts to 27 from Tom Boyd.

Whilst he is a legitimate option and probably is the number 1 ruck for the suns I am unsure. I think he will get carved up by the better rucks.

I think Mat is on the money. If one of Preuss/Cameron get named they would be better value at R3
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Huttabito on March 10, 2017, 12:17:39 AM
Would have been nice if Witts was up against a good ruck to gauge where he's at.

Martin, Mumford, Jacobs and Goldy in the first 6 rounds.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 10, 2017, 08:36:11 AM
Wasnt hampson sole ruck last year?

He only averaged 71.

Besides a big nab any reason nank should be sognificantly better?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: plumdog millionaire on March 10, 2017, 09:06:56 AM
Wasnt hampson sole ruck last year?

He only averaged 71.

Besides a big nab any reason nank should be sognificantly better?
Yeah he's a better footballer
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: LordSneeze on March 10, 2017, 09:22:00 AM
Wasnt hampson sole ruck last year?

He only averaged 71.

Besides a big nab any reason nank should be sognificantly better?
Yeah he's a better footballer
Completely different players. Nank is a Ruck who can move and play fwd. 15 possessions and a goal a game is not out of the question.
Hampson average 8 possesions and a goal every 3 games.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 10, 2017, 09:52:38 AM
I have gone Nank in the FWD line but agree with Holz he has played only played a handful of games and there is no guarantee he will be up with the top rucks this year maybe in the future he is only 22 and rucks seem mature later than that
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 10, 2017, 01:16:22 PM
Ok have had my mind set on Gawn from the start I know it's only preseason but apart from the 1st game what he has done is far from impressive young Spencer seems to be the reason at $645K I am having a rethink
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 10, 2017, 01:28:01 PM
Ok have had my mind set on Gawn from the start I know it's only preseason but apart from the 1st game what he has done is far from impressive young Spencer seems to be the reason at $645K I am having a rethink
Yes,  forced me to consider my options over the past couple of weeks when it became clear that he may share ruck with Spencer.   Not paying top dollar for a bloke that is operating under different conditions to how his scores were generated. 


Currently  Goldy, Sandi and Nank F4.   
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 10, 2017, 01:39:33 PM
Ok have had my mind set on Gawn from the start I know it's only preseason but apart from the 1st game what he has done is far from impressive young Spencer seems to be the reason at $645K I am having a rethink
Yes,  forced me to consider my options over the past couple of weeks when it became clear that he may share ruck with Spencer.   Not paying top dollar for a bloke that is operating under different conditions to how his scores were generated. 


Currently  Goldy, Sandi and Nank F4.   

Yep I'm thinking that setup as well and probably half the people playing SC  :P
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: jvalles69 on March 10, 2017, 02:44:51 PM
Ok have had my mind set on Gawn from the start I know it's only preseason but apart from the 1st game what he has done is far from impressive young Spencer seems to be the reason at $645K I am having a rethink
Yes,  forced me to consider my options over the past couple of weeks when it became clear that he may share ruck with Spencer.   Not paying top dollar for a bloke that is operating under different conditions to how his scores were generated. 


Currently  Goldy, Sandi and Nank F4.   

Yep I'm thinking that setup as well and probably half the people playing SC  :P

Geez, I had this locked in 2 weeks ago with Gawn instead, thought it would be pretty isolated...obliviously not!  :o
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 10, 2017, 02:55:36 PM
Ok have had my mind set on Gawn from the start I know it's only preseason but apart from the 1st game what he has done is far from impressive young Spencer seems to be the reason at $645K I am having a rethink
Yes,  forced me to consider my options over the past couple of weeks when it became clear that he may share ruck with Spencer.   Not paying top dollar for a bloke that is operating under different conditions to how his scores were generated. 


Currently  Goldy, Sandi and Nank F4.   

Yep I'm thinking that setup as well and probably half the people playing SC  :P

Geez, I had this locked in 2 weeks ago with Gawn instead, thought it would be pretty isolated...obliviously not!  :o

It will be Goldy + Gawn
             Goldy + Sandi with Nank in FWD'S
             Gawn + Sandi "                         "
Then a small group who just go someone else for the hell of it or to support there team
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Huttabito on March 10, 2017, 02:58:44 PM
Sandi/Witts
Nanks

For the YOLO.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Rusty00 on March 10, 2017, 03:00:17 PM
Ok have had my mind set on Gawn from the start I know it's only preseason but apart from the 1st game what he has done is far from impressive young Spencer seems to be the reason at $645K I am having a rethink
Yes,  forced me to consider my options over the past couple of weeks when it became clear that he may share ruck with Spencer.   Not paying top dollar for a bloke that is operating under different conditions to how his scores were generated. 


Currently  Goldy, Sandi and Nank F4.   

Yep I'm thinking that setup as well and probably half the people playing SC  :P

Geez, I had this locked in 2 weeks ago with Gawn instead, thought it would be pretty isolated...obliviously not!  :o

It will be Goldy + Gawn
             Goldy + Sandi with Nank in FWD'S
             Gawn + Sandi "                         "
Then a small group who just go someone else for the hell of it or to support there team
I reckon there will be a fair few Nank + Sandi teams, especially if they both put up big scores in their games this weekend.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 10, 2017, 03:03:56 PM
Ok have had my mind set on Gawn from the start I know it's only preseason but apart from the 1st game what he has done is far from impressive young Spencer seems to be the reason at $645K I am having a rethink
Yes,  forced me to consider my options over the past couple of weeks when it became clear that he may share ruck with Spencer.   Not paying top dollar for a bloke that is operating under different conditions to how his scores were generated. 


Currently  Goldy, Sandi and Nank F4.   

Yep I'm thinking that setup as well and probably half the people playing SC  :P

Geez, I had this locked in 2 weeks ago with Gawn instead, thought it would be pretty isolated...obliviously not!  :o

It will be Goldy + Gawn
             Goldy + Sandi with Nank in FWD'S
             Gawn + Sandi "                         "
Then a small group who just go someone else for the hell of it or to support there team
I reckon there will be a fair few Nank + Sandi teams, especially if they both put up big scores in their games this weekend.

True forgot about that combo add that to my above list ;D
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 10, 2017, 04:08:07 PM
Ok have had my mind set on Gawn from the start I know it's only preseason but apart from the 1st game what he has done is far from impressive young Spencer seems to be the reason at $645K I am having a rethink
Yes,  forced me to consider my options over the past couple of weeks when it became clear that he may share ruck with Spencer.   Not paying top dollar for a bloke that is operating under different conditions to how his scores were generated. 


Currently  Goldy, Sandi and Nank F4.   

Yep I'm thinking that setup as well and probably half the people playing SC  :P

Geez, I had this locked in 2 weeks ago with Gawn instead, thought it would be pretty isolated...obliviously not!  :o

It will be Goldy + Gawn
             Goldy + Sandi with Nank in FWD'S
             Gawn + Sandi "                         "
Then a small group who just go someone else for the hell of it or to support there team
I reckon there will be a fair few Nank + Sandi teams, especially if they both put up big scores in their games this weekend.

True forgot about that combo add that to my above list ;D
Will be quite a few go Grundy, Sandi as well.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 10, 2017, 04:12:41 PM
Ok have had my mind set on Gawn from the start I know it's only preseason but apart from the 1st game what he has done is far from impressive young Spencer seems to be the reason at $645K I am having a rethink
Yes,  forced me to consider my options over the past couple of weeks when it became clear that he may share ruck with Spencer.   Not paying top dollar for a bloke that is operating under different conditions to how his scores were generated. 


Currently  Goldy, Sandi and Nank F4.   

Yep I'm thinking that setup as well and probably half the people playing SC  :P

Geez, I had this locked in 2 weeks ago with Gawn instead, thought it would be pretty isolated...obliviously not!  :o

It will be Goldy + Gawn
             Goldy + Sandi with Nank in FWD'S
             Gawn + Sandi "                         "
Then a small group who just go someone else for the hell of it or to support there team
I reckon there will be a fair few Nank + Sandi teams, especially if they both put up big scores in their games this weekend.

True forgot about that combo add that to my above list ;D
Will be quite a few go Grundy, Sandi as well.

Maybe but Grundy's coach is a knob that might put a few off  :P
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 10, 2017, 06:22:43 PM
Ok have had my mind set on Gawn from the start I know it's only preseason but apart from the 1st game what he has done is far from impressive young Spencer seems to be the reason at $645K I am having a rethink
Yes,  forced me to consider my options over the past couple of weeks when it became clear that he may share ruck with Spencer.   Not paying top dollar for a bloke that is operating under different conditions to how his scores were generated. 


Currently  Goldy, Sandi and Nank F4.   

Yep I'm thinking that setup as well and probably half the people playing SC  :P

Geez, I had this locked in 2 weeks ago with Gawn instead, thought it would be pretty isolated...obliviously not!  :o

It will be Goldy + Gawn
             Goldy + Sandi with Nank in FWD'S
             Gawn + Sandi "                         "
Then a small group who just go someone else for the hell of it or to support there team
I reckon there will be a fair few Nank + Sandi teams, especially if they both put up big scores in their games this weekend.

True forgot about that combo add that to my above list ;D
Will be quite a few go Grundy, Sandi as well.

Maybe but Grundy's coach is a knob that might put a few off  :P
Doesnt seem to affect the 70000 members and million other knob lovers.      Bucks will never be the SC wrecker than Lyon is though.   
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 10, 2017, 06:40:36 PM
No way does pruess start round 1 after this half.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 10, 2017, 06:46:29 PM
Ok have had my mind set on Gawn from the start I know it's only preseason but apart from the 1st game what he has done is far from impressive young Spencer seems to be the reason at $645K I am having a rethink
Yes,  forced me to consider my options over the past couple of weeks when it became clear that he may share ruck with Spencer.   Not paying top dollar for a bloke that is operating under different conditions to how his scores were generated. 


Currently  Goldy, Sandi and Nank F4.   

Yep I'm thinking that setup as well and probably half the people playing SC  :P

Geez, I had this locked in 2 weeks ago with Gawn instead, thought it would be pretty isolated...obliviously not!  :o

It will be Goldy + Gawn
             Goldy + Sandi with Nank in FWD'S
             Gawn + Sandi "                         "
Then a small group who just go someone else for the hell of it or to support there team
I reckon there will be a fair few Nank + Sandi teams, especially if they both put up big scores in their games this weekend.

True forgot about that combo add that to my above list ;D
Will be quite a few go Grundy, Sandi as well.

Maybe but Grundy's coach is a knob that might put a few off  :P
Doesnt seem to affect the 70000 members and million other knob lovers.      Bucks will never be the SC wrecker than Lyon is though.   
Getting away from knobs seems Grundy is doubtful to play this week that will put a few more off  ;D
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: bowyanger on March 10, 2017, 08:46:20 PM
Sandi/Witts
Nanks

For the YOLO.

I like it bud....balls out!! Especially with the new ruck rules and uncertainty that brings in potential ruck scoring

The name of the game which every 1 gets lost on is value for $$

If you pay stuff all for a big return then the result is profit...simple economics

$$ spent for points gained is the name of the game and if you get great return for the 1st few rounds from spending stuff all that you have managed to invest in wisely elsewhere..............then.....well.....

We have a truckload of trades now compared to say 5 years ago or whatever it was where we had to be really frugal with our cross trading / point chasing

If 211 or Witts start to slow down after a ripper start, its not a big deal to get in someone that has broken out or seems to be more durable

The question is...do you have the aggotts to stick with it on Rd 1 eve?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Huttabito on March 10, 2017, 08:57:39 PM
Sandi/Witts
Nanks

For the YOLO.

I like it bud....balls out!! Especially with the new ruck rules and uncertainty that brings in potential ruck scoring

The name of the game which every 1 gets lost on is value for $$

If you pay stuff all for a big return then the result is profit...simple economics

$$ spent for points gained is the name of the game and if you get great return for the 1st few rounds from spending stuff all that you have managed to invest in wisely elsewhere..............then.....well.....

We have a truckload of trades now compared to say 5 years ago or whatever it was where we had to be really frugal with our cross trading / point chasing

If 211 or Witts start to slow down after a ripper start, its not a big deal to get in someone that has broken out or seems to be more durable

The question is...do you have the aggotts to stick with it on Rd 1 eve?
I actually genuinely think it's crazy enough to work, but the balls? Probably not.

It gives this team though:
DEF: Shaw, Laird, Tuohy, Marchbank
MID: Danger, Pendles, Hanners, Jelwood, Treloar, Fyfe, Beams
RUC: Sandi, Witts
FWD: NRoo, Dahl Roughie, Nank

Hugh risk, but the rewards would be amazing if it actually works.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: TomK on March 10, 2017, 09:08:58 PM
This position is a nightmare this year, warming to the idea of Grundy at the moment.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: bowyanger on March 10, 2017, 09:09:54 PM
Sandi/Witts
Nanks

For the YOLO.

I like it bud....balls out!! Especially with the new ruck rules and uncertainty that brings in potential ruck scoring

The name of the game which every 1 gets lost on is value for $$

If you pay stuff all for a big return then the result is profit...simple economics

$$ spent for points gained is the name of the game and if you get great return for the 1st few rounds from spending stuff all that you have managed to invest in wisely elsewhere..............then.....well.....

We have a truckload of trades now compared to say 5 years ago or whatever it was where we had to be really frugal with our cross trading / point chasing

If 211 or Witts start to slow down after a ripper start, its not a big deal to get in someone that has broken out or seems to be more durable

The question is...do you have the aggotts to stick with it on Rd 1 eve?
I actually genuinely think it's crazy enough to work, but the balls? Probably not.

It gives this team though:
DEF: Shaw, Laird, Tuohy, Marchbank
MID: Danger, Pendles, Hanners, Jelwood, Treloar, Fyfe, Beams
RUC: Sandi, Witts
FWD: NRoo, Dahl Roughie, Nank

Hugh risk, but the rewards would be amazing if it actually works.
Wheres the rest of the team!?

IMO....
Your strategy in ruck has  been lost in the rest of the team I think

There is no doubt that the new ruck rules are NOT going to reduce Gawns PPG simply because of his size - let alone his ruck craft...you have paid top $ in other positions where the reward / risk is greater than having Gawn in your side

Your strategy doesn't make sense ....but I don't know what the rest of your team looks like either
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Huttabito on March 10, 2017, 09:19:57 PM
Stock standard rookies more or less.

DEF: Shaw, Laird, Tuohy, Marchbank, Hampton, Melican (EVW, Stewart)
MID: Danger, Pendles, Hanners, Jelwood, Treloar, Fyfe, Beams, Powell-Pepper (Barrett, Hibberd, Atley)
RUC: Sandi, Witts (Strnadica)
FWD: NRoo, Dahl Roughie, Nank, Florent, Butler (Eddy, Black)

Shaw/Marchbank/Jelwood -> Rance/Rookie/O'Meara goes Witts -> Gawn

I'm one of Gawn/Goldys biggest fans, I'm just not sure I feel comfortable if Spencer/Preuss are named Rd1.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: bowyanger on March 10, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
Stock standard rookies more or less.

DEF: Shaw, Laird, Tuohy, Marchbank, Hampton, Melican (EVW, Stewart)
MID: Danger, Pendles, Hanners, Jelwood, Treloar, Fyfe, Beams, Powell-Pepper (Barrett, Hibberd, Atley)
RUC: Sandi, Witts (Strnadica)
FWD: NRoo, Dahl Roughie, Nank, Florent, Butler (Eddy, Black)
Yeah ok

You have 7 players expected to be top 10 where it matters most in the guts along with Dahl, Shaw and Laird

You have 30 trades to sort your fwds, backs and rucks through the year...meh...it works for me...if your rucks fire and stay fit all year as keepers then happy days you will be tough to beat...which could...maybe...happen...

SC is 70% round 1 team selection prior to lockout, then 30% luck from there I reckon!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Huttabito on March 10, 2017, 09:47:05 PM
Stock standard rookies more or less.

DEF: Shaw, Laird, Tuohy, Marchbank, Hampton, Melican (EVW, Stewart)
MID: Danger, Pendles, Hanners, Jelwood, Treloar, Fyfe, Beams, Powell-Pepper (Barrett, Hibberd, Atley)
RUC: Sandi, Witts (Strnadica)
FWD: NRoo, Dahl Roughie, Nank, Florent, Butler (Eddy, Black)
Yeah ok

You have 7 players expected to be top 10 where it matters most in the guts along with Dahl, Shaw and Laird

You have 30 trades to sort your fwds, backs and rucks through the year...meh...it works for me...if your rucks fire and stay fit all year as keepers then happy days you will be tough to beat...which could...maybe...happen...

SC is 70% round 1 team selection prior to lockout, then 30% luck from there I reckon!
Sandilands stays and I always pick a R3/F7 throughout the season and Nank fits the bill from what I have researched so happy with him as back up for the price tag.

My structure really comes down to the R1 for me but there is just so much uncertainty. As above, it is a simple fix to bring Gawn back in. If Spencer is named Rd1, $645k is ALOT and I don't think I could bring myself to do it. Even though I know he'd be dropped after a week and Gawn would be firing thereafter. I think the different the MIDS will make should cover the drop in points for the rucks.

It's crazy, but sometimes crazy works.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2017, 02:40:44 AM
Goldy and Gawn doing their best to reduce their ownership %  ;D
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: billnats on March 11, 2017, 07:49:08 AM
Goldy and Gawn doing their best to reduce their ownership %  ;D

I've had one of the two with Sandi this whole time and Nank up forward. But now I'm confused!

Goldy R1 & Nank F4
Or
Nank R1 & Buddy F2
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: GoLions on March 11, 2017, 08:12:19 AM
Goldy and Gawn doing their best to reduce their ownership %  ;D

I've had one of the two with Sandi this whole time and Nank up forward. But now I'm confused!

Goldy R1 & Nank F4
Or
Nank R1 & Buddy F2
Goldy > Buddy, and that also means Nank can cover Sandi if he gets rested for a week
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: enzedder on March 11, 2017, 10:55:27 AM
Goldy and Gawn doing their best to reduce their ownership %  ;D
They are.
I have been one of the most vocal in saying set and forget...
Goldy with TG% at 88% for 56 pts is something that makes you wonder, but v Hawthorn in 65TG% had a healthy 94pts.
Gawn with 81TG% v WCE scored 68pts, 76TG% v Carl scored 78pts and 59TG% v WB had a healthy 94pts.
I'm still leaning on starting both but if Nankervis does well again today... and I expect he will... I don't think he can be ignored...at the very least he'll be a forward in my team...having DPP could be of great benefit but the main reason is he could prove to be a keeper...worthy of holding a permanent forward spot all year for a $366k outlay. I know he has only ever played 11 games, with his best SC score being 88pts...but 129 v Rich from 79TG% and 89 v Adel 72TG% is compelling. Add Hampson is on the long term injury list and won't play early on in the season and Nank will have the opportunity to lock himself firmly into the #1 spot.
Some chance I could start with 5 rucks this year. Goldy, Gawn, Strnadica, Nankervis and Cameron. :o
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 11, 2017, 11:06:21 AM
Goldy and Gawn doing their best to reduce their ownership %  ;D
They are.
I have been one of the most vocal in saying set and forget...
Goldy with TG% at 88% for 56 pts is something that makes you wonder, but v Hawthorn in 65TG% had a healthy 94pts.
Gawn with 81TG% v WCE scored 68pts, 76TG% v Carl scored 78pts and 59TG% v WB had a healthy 94pts.
I'm still leaning on starting both but if Nankervis does well again today... and I expect he will... I don't think he can be ignored...at the very least he'll be a forward in my team...having DPP could be of great benefit but the main reason is he could prove to be a keeper...worthy of holding a permanent forward spot all year for a $366k outlay. I know he has only ever played 11 games, with his best SC score being 88pts...but 129 v Rich from 79TG% and 89 v Adel 72TG% is compelling. Add Hampson is on the long term injury list and won't play early on in the season and Nank will have the opportunity to lock himself firmly into the #1 spot.
Some chance I could start with 5 rucks this year. Goldy, Gawn, Strnadica, Nankervis and Cameron. :o
Great reasoning NZ and this is what coaches should be considering with Nank.   Is he a potential keeper at f6/7 come years end. 
As others have highlighted Nank is not point coverage if Sandi goes down as the fwd rookie on the park for Nank will be the point coverage.  He may save you a trade if Sandi is rested or minor injury.   


Rucks this year have been extremely difficult.  I was Gawn Sandi Strndica for so long then since JLT and seeing these two ruck operations I have waivered.   It makes no sense to pay high prices for Gawn, Goldy if they start as two ruck setups and there prices will drop to low 500 for Gawn and maybe below 500 for Goldy.   sincerely hope both Goodwin and Scott abandon the two ruck setups early into the season.     Again this is a great reason for Nank as he will operate in a single ruck setup for the first part of the year at least.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: NickyBoy on March 11, 2017, 11:52:40 AM
Goldys ownership is now 13%. Starting to become a nice POD  ;D
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Money Shot on March 11, 2017, 05:12:52 PM
Gawn can drop 20 points and Goldy can drop 10 and average wise they would still be the top scoring rucks if all other rucks averaged the same. (Taking away Nic Nat as he won't be there for most of the season)

Although I see both dropping points due to Spencer/Preuss looking good for round one but I still think that they should still be the top two come seasons end.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: billnats on March 11, 2017, 05:40:16 PM
What about Sauce Jacobs with these new ruck rules?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Mat0369 on March 11, 2017, 05:48:25 PM
What about Sauce Jacobs with these new ruck rules?

He is one I'm looking at in draft formats and also for a Sandi sideways trade potentially down the track.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 11, 2017, 06:10:15 PM
Gawn can drop 20 points and Goldy can drop 10 and average wise they would still be the top scoring rucks if all other rucks averaged the same. (Taking away Nic Nat as he won't be there for most of the season)

Although I see both dropping points due to Spencer/Preuss looking good for round one but I still think that they should still be the top two come seasons end.
So that means we can buy them 100k and 50k cheaper later in the season.   Use the free cash to buy points generation at lower price.   It is not always about whether they will be the highest scoring but at what price you can buy them at.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 11, 2017, 06:35:08 PM
Maybe this year rucks are not going to be as dominant as years gone by most have put in poor scores this week Nank for one has come back to earth against Grundy he is looking like scoring about 75 SC and the Tiges are going to lose more than they win this year I am starting to go off Sandi a bit and having to have cover for him ..... decisions decisions
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2017, 06:42:22 PM
I think the masses are overreacting to a few JLT matches and those who fall for it will fall behind
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 11, 2017, 06:43:41 PM
I think the masses are overreacting to a few JLT matches and those who fall for it will fall behind

So are you picking Goldy & Gawn if Preuss & Spencer are selected?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 11, 2017, 06:45:20 PM
You dont base your premo picks on practice matches you look at them for rookies.

Ill pick goldy if preuss brown and somehow petrie lines up round 1.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2017, 06:46:38 PM
I think the masses are overreacting to a few JLT matches and those who fall for it will fall behind

So are you picking Goldy & Gawn if Preuss & Spencer are selected?

These proven guns wouldn't be going anywhere near 100% yet

Spencer is a flowering spud and if the Dees play him their crazy

Preuss, Daw, Brown, Goldy can they all fit? North have poured years into Maj and I don't think Preuss will get much of a chance - maybe a game or two. Remember how long Currie sat around never getting a look in, but did during NAB
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Gigantor on March 11, 2017, 06:47:13 PM
Maybe this year rucks are not going to be as dominant as years gone by most have put in poor scores this week Nank for one has come back to earth against Grundy he is looking like scoring about 75 SC and the Tiges are going to lose more than they win this year I am starting to go off Sandi a bit and having to have cover for him ..... decisions decisions

Nank 72DT 89SC
Grundy 90DT 63SC

Fantasy Freako‏ @FantasyFreako
Head to head, Nankervis won the hitouts 13-9 vs Grundy, and HTA's were 5-1. #SuperCoach

I think Nank had the wood over Grundy

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 11, 2017, 06:51:05 PM
You dont base your premo picks on practice matches you look at them for rookies.

Ill pick goldy if preuss brown and somehow petrie lines up round 1.

It's different for rucks. The composition of the team is critical. If Goldy has to share duties with Preuss then his scores will suffer, in which case others will be able to pick him up at a discount.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 11, 2017, 06:55:44 PM
You dont base your premo picks on practice matches you look at them for rookies.

Ill pick goldy if preuss brown and somehow petrie lines up round 1.

It's different for rucks. The composition of the team is critical. If Goldy has to share duties with Preuss then his scores will suffer, in which case others will be able to pick him up at a discount.

Any evidence he will share ruck role?

Brown has pinch hit for him in the past and Petrir before that.

Anyone notice in the 3rd practice game a.k.a the actaul match simulation that goldy was the sole ruck . Preuss has been good up front.

Goldy is wasted up front. He is an elite ruck but a average forward cant see north being that stupid. We saw how goldy hmac worked together.

Preuss was tested in the ruck in rhe jlt incase goldy got injured. The only downside i see in preuss is if goldy gets injured he will rest rather then battling through it.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 11, 2017, 07:14:27 PM
Gawn can drop 20 points and Goldy can drop 10 and average wise they would still be the top scoring rucks if all other rucks averaged the same. (Taking away Nic Nat as he won't be there for most of the season)

Although I see both dropping points due to Spencer/Preuss looking good for round one but I still think that they should still be the top two come seasons end.
So that means we can buy them 100k and 50k cheaper later in the season.   Use the free cash to buy points generation at lower price.   It is not always about whether they will be the highest scoring but at what price you can buy them at.

Yes exactly. MS your original seems pretty silly here
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 11, 2017, 07:19:03 PM
You dont base your premo picks on practice matches you look at them for rookies.

Ill pick goldy if preuss brown and somehow petrie lines up round 1.

It's different for rucks. The composition of the team is critical. If Goldy has to share duties with Preuss then his scores will suffer, in which case others will be able to pick him up at a discount.

I'm on nankwittylands but there is no way pruess plays based on yesterday. I thought he was a sure thing but he was practically non existent yesterday and looked to have next to zero game awareness. Be shocked if he plays round 1 but if he does he won't last to round 3.

Even so We will get goldy for 50-100k cheaper and be laughing all the way to the bank.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 11, 2017, 07:35:21 PM
You dont base your premo picks on practice matches you look at them for rookies.

Ill pick goldy if preuss brown and somehow petrie lines up round 1.

It's different for rucks. The composition of the team is critical. If Goldy has to share duties with Preuss then his scores will suffer, in which case others will be able to pick him up at a discount.

I'm on nankwittylands but there is no way pruess plays based on yesterday. I thought he was a sure thing but he was practically non existent yesterday and looked to have next to zero game awareness. Be shocked if he plays round 1 but if he does he won't last to round 3.

Even so We will get goldy for 50-100k cheaper and be laughing all the way to the bank.

I reckon you might be getting goldy for 50-100k more then we paid or even worse you never can afford him.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 11, 2017, 07:49:14 PM
You dont base your premo picks on practice matches you look at them for rookies.

Ill pick goldy if preuss brown and somehow petrie lines up round 1.

It's different for rucks. The composition of the team is critical. If Goldy has to share duties with Preuss then his scores will suffer, in which case others will be able to pick him up at a discount.

I'm on nankwittylands but there is no way pruess plays based on yesterday. I thought he was a sure thing but he was practically non existent yesterday and looked to have next to zero game awareness. Be shocked if he plays round 1 but if he does he won't last to round 3.

Even so We will get goldy for 50-100k cheaper and be laughing all the way to the bank.

I reckon you might be getting goldy for 50-100k more then we paid or even worse you never can afford him.

I am certain I will not be getting him for 588k or above this season. 100% certain.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2017, 08:41:43 PM
Isn't the argument of getting Goldy cheaper a win a mute point because you're losing points elsewhere and it requires trades?

We all have 10M to spend, so isolating 2 players/positions which most of us do I think can actually be misleading

Sandi/Witts allows you to stack elsewhere, but if it turns out Gawn and Goldy do in fact go 110+ and remain the clear stand outs it's going to be a lot harder to get both of them in, let alone one

I don't really buy into the weaker F6 argument either, because in most scenario's a weaker R2 will cost you more than a weaker F6



Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Mat0369 on March 11, 2017, 09:09:32 PM
Isn't the argument of getting Goldy cheaper a win a mute point because you're losing points elsewhere and it requires trades?

We all have 10M to spend, so isolating 2 players/positions which most of us do I think can actually be misleading

Sandi/Witts allows you to stack elsewhere, but if it turns out Gawn and Goldy do in fact go 110+ and remain the clear stand outs it's going to be a lot harder to get both of them in, let alone one

I don't really buy into the weaker F6 argument either, because in most scenario's a weaker R2 will cost you more than a weaker F6

This.

Any evidence he will share ruck role?

Brown has pinch hit for him in the past and Petrir before that.

Anyone notice in the 3rd practice game a.k.a the actaul match simulation that goldy was the sole ruck . Preuss has been good up front.

Goldy is wasted up front. He is an elite ruck but a average forward cant see north being that stupid. We saw how goldy hmac worked together.

Preuss was tested in the ruck in rhe jlt incase goldy got injured. The only downside i see in preuss is if goldy gets injured he will rest rather then battling through it.

Even if he does share the ruck load, he is a lot better in the forward line now compared to when HMac was taking chunks of the ruck work. He would be able to go forward and snag a couple of goals, the same way elite midfielders like Danger and Gaz can.

HMac was also the established ruck in that side before his injuries so it's a completely different scenario if Preuss comes in. He's not a guy that's going to demand 40% of the load. It's also quite possible for both rucks to score well. Cox and Nic Nat managed to co-exist with both guys going 110+ in 2012.

I see it the same way with Gawn. The guys is a mountain of a man and  if Spencer does come in it's so Gawn will rest forward instead of off the ground. Look at the game against Geelong a couple years back (his breakout game by the way) where he scored 146 SC points. Guess who was in the team that day? Jake Spencer. It allowed Gawn to push forward and still impact contests with his contested marking. The only reason I would not be picking Gawn is because he is probably priced at his ceiling and young rucks find it tough to back it up the following year. I think he might drop in price a little so I'll start with Goldy and Sandi and evaluate who the next best ruck is around mid year.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 11, 2017, 09:14:08 PM
Isn't the argument of getting Goldy cheaper a win a mute point because you're losing points elsewhere and it requires trades?

We all have 10M to spend, so isolating 2 players/positions which most of us do I think can actually be misleading

Sandi/Witts allows you to stack elsewhere, but if it turns out Gawn and Goldy do in fact go 110+ and remain the clear stand outs it's going to be a lot harder to get both of them in, let alone one

I don't really buy into the weaker F6 argument either, because in most scenario's a weaker R2 will cost you more than a weaker F6

Who are you playing at F6?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: petefisker on March 11, 2017, 09:24:31 PM
Have Gawn and Sandy and Taranto F6.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 12, 2017, 12:27:03 AM
Who are you playing at F6?

I've got 2 of WHE/Taranto/Turner at F5 and F6 which I think is solid. Don't want to rely on the shaky JS and poor scoring sub 160k players and I think 2 of these guys should be able to average 65+ and play every week giving me decent rookie scoring and cash growth. I can also make a few tweaks to upgrade F5 to a Steele type too but I think Rough and Nank is enough at that price point

I saw your forward line with Witts at R2 and it's super strong, but you're essentially already committing 5 of your 6 forward spots which doesn't leave much room to observe who will be the Top 6-8 forwards and then bring in the best because you only have 1 spot left

Pro's and cons to every structure so there's an argument for either side - just comes down to personal preferences at this point

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 12, 2017, 12:33:51 AM
Who are you playing at F6?

I've got 2 of WHE/Taranto/Turner at F5 and F6 which I think is solid. Don't want to rely on the shaky JS and poor scoring sub 160k players and I think 2 of these guys should be able to average 65+ and play every week giving me decent rookie scoring and cash growth. I can also make a few tweaks to upgrade F5 to a Steele type too but I think Rough and Nank is enough at that price point

I saw your forward line with Witts at R2 and it's super strong, but you're essentially already committing 5 of your 6 forward spots which doesn't leave much room to observe who will be the Top 6-8 forwards and then bring in the best because you only have 1 spot left

Pro's and cons to every structure so there's an argument for either side - just comes down to personal preferences at this point

With the forwards this year I can't see anyone bolting out of the blue. History tells you it's the midfield breakouts but with Heeney out of the picture the options are limited. There will also be injury, between that and having 1 spot to fill and I reckon I'll get the top 2 forwards once the picture is clearer.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 12, 2017, 12:46:59 AM
All good and well I guess, but still doesn't really deal with Witt's JS

Say he gets dropped early so you have to swing Nank to R2 and then bring in a poor rookie bench player on field

Meanwhile Witt's is stuck at R3 and you basically blow a trade down to Stradnica for a measly 100k and are then going with Sandi/Nank and no forward cover

Dunno man, just think the risk heavily outweighs the reward

Absolute best case scenario you get an R2 averaging 75-80 which, after 5 price rises might make you 150k and then needs to be traded before the Round 9 bye. A lot has to go right just to get to that too
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 12, 2017, 01:08:26 AM
All good and well I guess, but still doesn't really deal with Witt's JS

Say he gets dropped early so you have to swing Nank to R2 and then bring in a poor rookie bench player on field

Meanwhile Witt's is stuck at R3 and you basically blow a trade down to Stradnica for a measly 100k and are then going with Sandi/Nank and no forward cover

Dunno man, just think the risk heavily outweighs the reward

Absolute best case scenario you get an R2 averaging 75-80 which, after 5 price rises might make you 150k and then needs to be traded before the Round 9 bye. A lot has to go right just to get to that too

Witts has better JS than most of the rookies, I think that's the critical issue here. If after 2 rounds he's on the outer then he becomes Taranto or WHE or whoever has performed the best. Nank is obviously the key here, but his flexibility means he can go back and forth from R2 & F6, F7. The timing obviously has to be good but if last year is anything to go both Gawn & Goldy will put in a stinker or two before the byes. I've just put up some analysis on Goldy's draw and it's not the friendliest based on last year's scores.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 12, 2017, 01:35:30 AM
Witts has better JS than most of the rookies, I think that's the critical issue here. If after 2 rounds he's on the outer then he becomes Taranto or WHE or whoever has performed the best. Nank is obviously the key here, but his flexibility means he can go back and forth from R2 & F6, F7. The timing obviously has to be good but if last year is anything to go both Gawn & Goldy will put in a stinker or two before the byes. I've just put up some analysis on Goldy's draw and it's not the friendliest based on last year's scores.

I'm not sure how Witts has better JS than most of the rookies. GC aren't playing all of Nicholls, Witts and Wright. Witts is gone as soon as Nicholls is back, which could even be Round 1 considering he was only listed as 1-2 weeks 3 weeks ago now

As for the Goldy analysis, you're looking at it from one side of the coin - the side you are going with and are using those numbers to justify your decision and reasoning, but you really need to be doing both sides of the argument, and honestly too

It's easy to justify a decision when you've already made your mind up - you can see what you want to see which provides positive reinforcement, but you're not completely acknowledging the opposite option which is one of Goldy/Gawn could average 110+ from the get go, have zero JS issues and might not drop in price for some time. Even if they do drop 50-80k like you rely on, I don't see how the points lost in the meantime and the cost of a trade or trades can be considered a win at all

The best rucks can score just as good as the best mids. We're spoiled getting Sandi so cheap already and Nank looks great as cover and a long term F7/R3. Don't see why the likes of Witts would be risked on top, but I acknowledge both sides of the argument (just know which side I am :P)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 12, 2017, 02:00:59 AM
Witts has better JS than most of the rookies, I think that's the critical issue here. If after 2 rounds he's on the outer then he becomes Taranto or WHE or whoever has performed the best. Nank is obviously the key here, but his flexibility means he can go back and forth from R2 & F6, F7. The timing obviously has to be good but if last year is anything to go both Gawn & Goldy will put in a stinker or two before the byes. I've just put up some analysis on Goldy's draw and it's not the friendliest based on last year's scores.

I'm not sure how Witts has better JS than most of the rookies. GC aren't playing all of Nicholls, Witts and Wright. Witts is gone as soon as Nicholls is back, which could even be Round 1 considering he was only listed as 1-2 weeks 3 weeks ago now

As for the Goldy analysis, you're looking at it from one side of the coin - the side you are going with and are using those numbers to justify your decision and reasoning, but you really need to be doing both sides of the argument, and honestly too

It's easy to justify a decision when you've already made your mind up - you can see what you want to see which provides positive reinforcement, but you're not completely acknowledging the opposite option which is one of Goldy/Gawn could average 110+ from the get go, have zero JS issues and might not drop in price for some time. Even if they do drop 50-80k like you rely on, I don't see how the points lost in the meantime and the cost of a trade or trades can be considered a win at all

The best rucks can score just as good as the best mids. We're spoiled getting Sandi so cheap already and Nank looks great as cover and a long term F7/R3. Don't see why the likes of Witts would be risked on top, but I acknowledge both sides of the argument (just know which side I am :P)

I've just presented numbers, no commentary, just historical scores which includes the good with the bad. I also don't believe you can simply assume Nicholls will be back if Witts performs well over the first couple of weeks. GC recruited him for a reason and Nicholls isn't a world beater in any case. It's very similar to the Richmond scenario with Hampson & Nankervis.

As for the lost points & trades, this isn't correct as it ignores the benefits of strengthening the forward line. If you want to break it down, it's Witts (75) & Franklin (95) versus Goldy (110) & cheap rookie. You believe guys like WHE & Turner will get the job done whereas I have my doubts. This also assumes that Preuss will have minimal impact.

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 12, 2017, 02:27:08 AM
And just some more info on Goldy.

In 2016 with Daw in the side his average was 99. I'm assuming Preuss if selected will play a similar role.

In 2016 in NM losses Goldy averaged 99. You could expect the ledger to tip into the negative this year as the engine room has been cleared out. Looking at their first 5 games they could easily be 0-5.

As for the knee, it may be better but it's hard to imagine a return to 2015 form. From my perspective Goldy will be averaging 105 once all factors are taken into consideration. Probably good enough for R2 but his absence won't be killing your chances in 2017.



Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 12, 2017, 03:02:50 AM
I'm not saying Goldy is the answer and a must- far from it but I think you would want one of Gawn/Goldy etc in your starting line up. If not, Sandi/Nank is the only cheap option that I think has enough reward for risk, and I'm actually considering that duo myself

My argument has been that I don't think Witts is a good pick, especially at R2

In regards to Goldy though, he does have the runs on the board. Even if his average does drop to 105 that will still most likely make him the 2nd best ruck anyway

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 12, 2017, 05:05:43 AM
And just some more info on Goldy.

In 2016 with Daw in the side his average was 99. I'm assuming Preuss if selected will play a similar role.

In 2016 in NM losses Goldy averaged 99. You could expect the ledger to tip into the negative this year as the engine room has been cleared out. Looking at their first 5 games they could easily be 0-5.

As for the knee, it may be better but it's hard to imagine a return to 2015 form. From my perspective Goldy will be averaging 105 once all factors are taken into consideration. Probably good enough for R2 but his absence won't be killing your chances in 2017.

Yes but goldy was playing injured when daw was in the side and when they where losing remember they where top of ladder in first half when goldy was healthy.



Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 12, 2017, 11:20:16 AM
And just some more info on Goldy.

In 2016 with Daw in the side his average was 99. I'm assuming Preuss if selected will play a similar role.

In 2016 in NM losses Goldy averaged 99. You could expect the ledger to tip into the negative this year as the engine room has been cleared out. Looking at their first 5 games they could easily be 0-5.

As for the knee, it may be better but it's hard to imagine a return to 2015 form. From my perspective Goldy will be averaging 105 once all factors are taken into consideration. Probably good enough for R2 but his absence won't be killing your chances in 2017.

Yes but goldy was playing injured when daw was in the side and when they where losing remember they where top of ladder in first half when goldy was healthy.

It's the same situation in 2015, in losses his average was 108, in wins his average was 141.

As for the knee, it's hard to imagine Goldy suddenly returning to peak fitness, knees are often degenerative and given he was playing through the pain barrier there's an indication that it could be something more permanent. As good as Goldy has been over the years father time is catching up and he's entering the twilight years for a ruckman. He's not a bad pick by any means but those expecting a 2015 masterclass maybe be sorely disappointed. 
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 12, 2017, 11:38:24 AM
Witts has better JS than most of the rookies, I think that's the critical issue here. If after 2 rounds he's on the outer then he becomes Taranto or WHE or whoever has performed the best. Nank is obviously the key here, but his flexibility means he can go back and forth from R2 & F6, F7. The timing obviously has to be good but if last year is anything to go both Gawn & Goldy will put in a stinker or two before the byes. I've just put up some analysis on Goldy's draw and it's not the friendliest based on last year's scores.

I'm not sure how Witts has better JS than most of the rookies. GC aren't playing all of Nicholls, Witts and Wright. Witts is gone as soon as Nicholls is back, which could even be Round 1 considering he was only listed as 1-2 weeks 3 weeks ago now

As for the Goldy analysis, you're looking at it from one side of the coin - the side you are going with and are using those numbers to justify your decision and reasoning, but you really need to be doing both sides of the argument, and honestly too

It's easy to justify a decision when you've already made your mind up - you can see what you want to see which provides positive reinforcement, but you're not completely acknowledging the opposite option which is one of Goldy/Gawn could average 110+ from the get go, have zero JS issues and might not drop in price for some time. Even if they do drop 50-80k like you rely on, I don't see how the points lost in the meantime and the cost of a trade or trades can be considered a win at all

The best rucks can score just as good as the best mids. We're spoiled getting Sandi so cheap already and Nank looks great as cover and a long term F7/R3. Don't see why the likes of Witts would be risked on top, but I acknowledge both sides of the argument (just know which side I am :P)

I've just presented numbers, no commentary, just historical scores which includes the good with the bad. I also don't believe you can simply assume Nicholls will be back if Witts performs well over the first couple of weeks. GC recruited him for a reason and Nicholls isn't a world beater in any case. It's very similar to the Richmond scenario with Hampson & Nankervis.

As for the lost points & trades, this isn't correct as it ignores the benefits of strengthening the forward line. If you want to break it down, it's Witts (75) & Franklin (95) versus Goldy (110) & cheap rookie. You believe guys like WHE & Turner will get the job done whereas I have my doubts. This also assumes that Preuss will have minimal impact.


and turner won't go 50
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: aussied on March 12, 2017, 11:55:57 AM
lycett has dislocated his shoulder, would this mean Vardy is about to become number 1 ruck for the first few weeks?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 12, 2017, 12:02:05 PM
lycett has dislocated his shoulder, would this mean Vardy is about to become number 1 ruck for the first few weeks?

Petrie and Vardy would share the load

I'd avoid both
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 12, 2017, 12:02:29 PM
I'm not saying Goldy is the answer and a must- far from it but I think you would want one of Gawn/Goldy etc in your starting line up. If not, Sandi/Nank is the only cheap option that I think has enough reward for risk, and I'm actually considering that duo myself

My argument has been that I don't think Witts is a good pick, especially at R2

In regards to Goldy though, he does have the runs on the board. Even if his average does drop to 105 that will still most likely make him the 2nd best ruck anyway

Witts vs WHE vs Taranto vs Turner vs Schoenmakers is how this debate should be framed, with Nank in the team R2 is irrelevant. By round 3 I'm happy to use a correction trade if need be, that would entail swinging Nank back to R2 and picking up one of the other rookies. Now if you were a bookmaker who would you install as favourite to average the most points?

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 12, 2017, 03:38:54 PM
Witts vs WHE vs Taranto vs Turner vs Schoenmakers is how this debate should be framed, with Nank in the team R2 is irrelevant. By round 3 I'm happy to use a correction trade if need be, that would entail swinging Nank back to R2 and picking up one of the other rookies. Now if you were a bookmaker who would you install as favourite to average the most points?

What you're not factoring in though is if you need to trade Witts to one of those forwards and move Nank to R2 you've got no ruck cover anymore. Not a deal breaker, but not ideal

WHE and Taranto are the 2 I rate the most and am looking to start pending round 1 selection. I think both can average 70+ and provide solid rookie cover to begin the season.

WHE and Turner should have the best JS though

Either way, I'd rather Goldy/Gawn at R1 with these rookies on field vs Witts on field and an extra starting prem forward because Goldy/Gawn will average more than any forward

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 12, 2017, 04:16:48 PM
Argh, I thought this might happen

Ryder finally played as the sole ruck today. No Lobbe

Fantasy Freako‏ @FantasyFreako
Ryder dominant as the sole ruck, 12 disposals and 10 HTA's. Game-high 9 disposals inside 50 for Eddy and 5.4. Lock now for Rnd 1.

Ryder scored 109SC

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on March 12, 2017, 04:17:53 PM
With Brisbane dropping Smith seriously considering Big Stef with Sandi and Nank at F4, and WHE and Shoey ast F5. F6,
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Gavdroid on March 12, 2017, 04:51:41 PM
Is it worth putting Witts at R3 with a view to downgrade to Strnadica at his bye week? Does he have the scoring potential as an 'expensive rookie' to be a cash cow?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 12, 2017, 04:52:03 PM
Argh, I thought this might happen

Ryder finally played as the sole ruck today. No Lobbe

Fantasy Freako‏ @FantasyFreako
Ryder dominant as the sole ruck, 12 disposals and 10 HTA's. Game-high 9 disposals inside 50 for Eddy and 5.4. Lock now for Rnd 1.

Ryder scored 109SC

Enough to tease us for sure haha
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Mat0369 on March 12, 2017, 04:57:22 PM
Is it worth putting Witts at R3 with a view to downgrade to Strnadica at his bye week? Does he have the scoring potential as an 'expensive rookie' to be a cash cow?

It's the only way I would consider having him in my side. He also provides ruck cover which means no reason to waste a spot in the forward line.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 12, 2017, 05:01:44 PM
Argh, I thought this might happen

Ryder finally played as the sole ruck today. No Lobbe

Fantasy Freako‏ @FantasyFreako
Ryder dominant as the sole ruck, 12 disposals and 10 HTA's. Game-high 9 disposals inside 50 for Eddy and 5.4. Lock now for Rnd 1.

Ryder scored 109SC

hmm, could save some pennies by downgrading Buddy. Will think about this one.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 12, 2017, 05:10:31 PM
Enough to tease us for sure haha

hmm, could save some pennies by downgrading Buddy. Will think about this one.

Ha, yep my thoughts exactly. Had him for ages but then went cold on him but now he teases us. Macrae to Ryder saves 100k. Wouldn't need both Ryder and Nank in the fwd line, so could even drop Goldy too

Sandi/Nank with Ryder F3

Question is, can Ryder go 90+ and become a keeper

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 12, 2017, 05:18:31 PM
Enough to tease us for sure haha

hmm, could save some pennies by downgrading Buddy. Will think about this one.

Ha, yep my thoughts exactly. Had him for ages but then went cold on him but now he teases us. Macrae to Ryder saves 100k. Wouldn't need both Ryder and Nank in the fwd line, so could even drop Goldy too

Sandi/Nank with Ryder F3

Question is, can Ryder go 90+ and become a keeper

I think absolutely Ryder can go 90+ if that's his role. If you check his stats late in the year in 2015 he was averaging 92 from about round 16. His ceiling is also high, could hit 100 if everything falls into place.

What do you think about this one? Buddy to Ryder, Greene to Higgins, Murphy to Treloar
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 12, 2017, 05:24:46 PM
What do you think about this one? Buddy to Ryder, Greene to Higgins, Murphy to Treloar

Ryder and Treloar I like, but Higgins I just don't know

He did have one season of 95 and has looked very good preseason, but can we trust his body? That's my concern. Ever since Heeney went down I've considered him as a replacement, but just not sure I could do it
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 12, 2017, 05:36:04 PM
What do you think about this one? Buddy to Ryder, Greene to Higgins, Murphy to Treloar

Ryder and Treloar I like, but Higgins I just don't know

He did have one season of 95 and has looked very good preseason, but can we trust his body? That's my concern. Ever since Heeney went down I've considered him as a replacement, but just not sure I could do it

His body is dodgy for sure, that would be the big concern. But something has to give for me to make this trade work. I guess the worst case scenario is he bolts out of the blue gets to 500k and then provides an easy sideways to another premo. But this year he will almost be North's prime mover, he's the silk to compliment the blue collar guys. Out of interest, has there been a better performing forward in the preseason?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ricochet on March 12, 2017, 07:02:21 PM
So...

If one of Gawn/Goldy
and all of Nank, Ryder, Sandi, Witts

are sole rucks come RD1


What's everyones plans...
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 12, 2017, 07:12:05 PM
So...

If one of Gawn/Goldy
and all of Nank, Ryder, Sandi, Witts

are sole rucks come RD1


What's everyones plans...

Sandi locked at R2 and Nank locked as well (75% F4 but still a 25% chance for R1)

Not interested in Witts, but no idea what to do with the others yet  :-[
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 12, 2017, 07:15:03 PM
So...

If one of Gawn/Goldy
and all of Nank, Ryder, Sandi, Witts

are sole rucks come RD1


What's everyones plans...

I'm off to Wankilands and will probably take a Ryder for good measure. 




Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: _wato on March 12, 2017, 07:46:35 PM
So...

If one of Gawn/Goldy
and all of Nank, Ryder, Sandi, Witts

are sole rucks come RD1


What's everyones plans...

I'm off to Wankilands and will probably take a Ryder for good measure.

Brilliant.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 12, 2017, 07:56:35 PM
I've gone with Sandi+Nankervis.

Over the 3 JLT games Gawn hasn't scored over 100. Read into that as much or as little as you want but that's worrying for me. Especially for someone who costs what he does.

Also allowed me to free up cash and improve my midfield.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Goosey on March 12, 2017, 08:04:13 PM
Still unsure of R1, Gawn and Goldy are still a chance but pretty sure Sandi is R2 lock with Nankervis at F4. Toying with Martin for R1, this frees up cash for elsewhere.

Have to say this has been the toughest pre-season yet with regards to just locking in a draft team!!! Let alone finalising it for Round 1  :o
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Mat0369 on March 12, 2017, 08:24:49 PM
Goldy, Sandi and one of Cameron, Preuess or Witts at R3.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: _wato on March 12, 2017, 08:24:57 PM
NankWittiLands for me.

Risk v reward is massive.

The thing I like the most is that the rest of my squad is good.

Adams Laird Howe Marchbank Hampton Stewart
Danger Treloar Rocky Fyfe Watson Beams O'Meara Swallow

NRoo Dahl Higgins Rough Nank Taranto

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: plumdog millionaire on March 12, 2017, 08:28:11 PM
NankWittiLands for me.

Risk v reward is massive.

The thing I like the most is that the rest of my squad is good.

Adams Laird Howe Marchbank Hampton Stewart
Danger Treloar Rocky Fyfe Watson Beams O'Meara Swallow

NRoo Dahl Higgins Rough Nank Taranto
If the rookie situation ends up as bad as it looks this may be the best option.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 12, 2017, 08:46:10 PM
NankWittiLands for me.

Risk v reward is massive.

The thing I like the most is that the rest of my squad is good.

Adams Laird Howe Marchbank Hampton Stewart
Danger Treloar Rocky Fyfe Watson Beams O'Meara Swallow

NRoo Dahl Higgins Rough Nank Taranto
If the rookie situation ends up as bad as it looks this may be the best option.

Witts is the best rookie option in the ruck/forward line, I'll personally be confident going into head to head battles against Taranto/WHE/Turner/McCarthy/Ainsworth/Bowes/Schoenmakers. I really like Taranto but I reckon he'll have down days like any first year player, the chance of being rested is also high.

Currently sitting on a side with Nank at F6 and a super stacked midfield. Just need Otten to get named and I'll be content with Marchbank at D3.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 12, 2017, 08:56:03 PM
NankWittiLands for me.

Risk v reward is massive.

The thing I like the most is that the rest of my squad is good.

Adams Laird Howe Marchbank Hampton Stewart
Danger Treloar Rocky Fyfe Watson Beams O'Meara Swallow

NRoo Dahl Higgins Rough Nank Taranto
If the rookie situation ends up as bad as it looks this may be the best option.

Witts is the best rookie option in the ruck/forward line, I'll personally be confident going into head to head battles against Taranto/WHE/Turner/McCarthy/Ainsworth/Bowes/Schoenmakers. I really like Taranto but I reckon he'll have down days like any first year player, the chance of being rested is also high.

Currently sitting on a side with Nank at F6 and a super stacked midfield. Just need Otten to get named and I'll be content with Marchbank at D3.

I'm not sure there is enough defender rookies to have marchband d3. Hampton yes. Have to be concerned with hibberd only playing half a game. Otten should make it but who knows. Even Stewart how does he fit into the cats lineup? He isn't a certainty when you consider lonergan,taylor, Mackie, tuohy henderson thurlow ruggles blicavs.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 12, 2017, 08:58:45 PM
NankWittiLands for me.

Risk v reward is massive.

The thing I like the most is that the rest of my squad is good.

Adams Laird Howe Marchbank Hampton Stewart
Danger Treloar Rocky Fyfe Watson Beams O'Meara Swallow

NRoo Dahl Higgins Rough Nank Taranto
If the rookie situation ends up as bad as it looks this may be the best option.

Witts is the best rookie option in the ruck/forward line, I'll personally be confident going into head to head battles against Taranto/WHE/Turner/McCarthy/Ainsworth/Bowes/Schoenmakers. I really like Taranto but I reckon he'll have down days like any first year player, the chance of being rested is also high.

Currently sitting on a side with Nank at F6 and a super stacked midfield. Just need Otten to get named and I'll be content with Marchbank at D3.

I'm not sure there is enough defender rookies to have marchband d3. Hampton yes. Have to be concerned with hibberd only playing half a game. Otten should make it but who knows. Even Stewart how does he fit into the cats lineup? He isn't a certainty when you consider lonergan,taylor, Mackie, tuohy henderson thurlow ruggles blicavs.
To be fair Stewert played today with all those players you just listed. But it is different with 24 players instead of 22.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: plumdog millionaire on March 12, 2017, 09:01:52 PM
NankWittiLands for me.

Risk v reward is massive.

The thing I like the most is that the rest of my squad is good.

Adams Laird Howe Marchbank Hampton Stewart
Danger Treloar Rocky Fyfe Watson Beams O'Meara Swallow

NRoo Dahl Higgins Rough Nank Taranto
If the rookie situation ends up as bad as it looks this may be the best option.

Witts is the best rookie option in the ruck/forward line, I'll personally be confident going into head to head battles against Taranto/WHE/Turner/McCarthy/Ainsworth/Bowes/Schoenmakers. I really like Taranto but I reckon he'll have down days like any first year player, the chance of being rested is also high.

Currently sitting on a side with Nank at F6 and a super stacked midfield. Just need Otten to get named and I'll be content with Marchbank at D3.

I'm not sure there is enough defender rookies to have marchband d3. Hampton yes. Have to be concerned with hibberd only playing half a game. Otten should make it but who knows. Even Stewart how does he fit into the cats lineup? He isn't a certainty when you consider lonergan,taylor, Mackie, tuohy henderson thurlow ruggles blicavs.
To be fair Stewert played today with all those players you just listed. But it is different with 24 players instead of 22.
And looks like they're experimenting with playing Taylor up forward in JLT so that could open up a spot for Stewart
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Rusty00 on March 12, 2017, 09:03:55 PM
NankWittiLands for me.

Risk v reward is massive.

The thing I like the most is that the rest of my squad is good.

Adams Laird Howe Marchbank Hampton Stewart
Danger Treloar Rocky Fyfe Watson Beams O'Meara Swallow

NRoo Dahl Higgins Rough Nank Taranto
If the rookie situation ends up as bad as it looks this may be the best option.

Witts is the best rookie option in the ruck/forward line, I'll personally be confident going into head to head battles against Taranto/WHE/Turner/McCarthy/Ainsworth/Bowes/Schoenmakers. I really like Taranto but I reckon he'll have down days like any first year player, the chance of being rested is also high.

Currently sitting on a side with Nank at F6 and a super stacked midfield. Just need Otten to get named and I'll be content with Marchbank at D3.

I'm not sure there is enough defender rookies to have marchband d3. Hampton yes. Have to be concerned with hibberd only playing half a game. Otten should make it but who knows. Even Stewart how does he fit into the cats lineup? He isn't a certainty when you consider lonergan,taylor, Mackie, tuohy henderson thurlow ruggles blicavs.
Stewart should be ok as the third tall as long as they keep playing Taylor forward. As Harry has given nothing up forward in all 3 JLT games it's starting to look worrisome :-\
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 12, 2017, 09:28:06 PM
NankWittiLands for me.

Risk v reward is massive.

The thing I like the most is that the rest of my squad is good.

Adams Laird Howe Marchbank Hampton Stewart
Danger Treloar Rocky Fyfe Watson Beams O'Meara Swallow

NRoo Dahl Higgins Rough Nank Taranto
If the rookie situation ends up as bad as it looks this may be the best option.
Sure does,  team looks great wato.   not for me though,  still believe in quality  so goldy/sandi at this stage.   still tossing no r/f cover as well.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 12, 2017, 09:42:26 PM
This round has confused the shower of me lol

Gawn and Goldy went poor, Ryder finally popped up while Nank and Sandi solidified their spots

So many options. Too many actually and it's confusing which way to go now
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on March 12, 2017, 09:50:29 PM
Hickey and Stefan were the last players to have amazing games so surely they're the new flavour of the week?!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on March 12, 2017, 09:51:47 PM
McKernan > All though
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 12, 2017, 09:54:25 PM
NankWittiLands for me.

Risk v reward is massive.

The thing I like the most is that the rest of my squad is good.

Adams Laird Howe Marchbank Hampton Stewart
Danger Treloar Rocky Fyfe Watson Beams O'Meara Swallow

NRoo Dahl Higgins Rough Nank Taranto
If the rookie situation ends up as bad as it looks this may be the best option.

Witts is the best rookie option in the ruck/forward line, I'll personally be confident going into head to head battles against Taranto/WHE/Turner/McCarthy/Ainsworth/Bowes/Schoenmakers. I really like Taranto but I reckon he'll have down days like any first year player, the chance of being rested is also high.

Currently sitting on a side with Nank at F6 and a super stacked midfield. Just need Otten to get named and I'll be content with Marchbank at D3.

I'm not sure there is enough defender rookies to have marchband d3. Hampton yes. Have to be concerned with hibberd only playing half a game. Otten should make it but who knows. Even Stewart how does he fit into the cats lineup? He isn't a certainty when you consider lonergan,taylor, Mackie, tuohy henderson thurlow ruggles blicavs.

To be honest, I may even pick Ben Long as I'm reasonably confident he'll get a game in round 3.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on March 12, 2017, 09:55:39 PM
And now Hickey puts his hand up as a sole ruck just to further confuse the issue.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Goosey on March 12, 2017, 09:57:22 PM
I had Ryder in early versions of my team at F3/4 for ruck cover, but he was so disappointing in the first two games of JLT it reminded me of seasons past when I have picked him and he has disappointed, so his good game today won't convince me to pick him this year. Nankervis is cheaper and looks to have R1 to himself at Richmond so am picking him. I had Sinclair then Hickey as FWD/RUC cover last year, only had to use it once I think, but I think it's better than having to pay for a RUC rookie at R3.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 12, 2017, 09:58:35 PM
And now Hickey puts his hand up as a sole ruck just to further confuse the issue.
When in doubt stick with the Guns.     The more confused I get the more likely I start Goldy/Sandi and upgrade to Gawn after Goodwin gives up on the dual ruck idea.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 12, 2017, 10:01:07 PM
And now Hickey puts his hand up as a sole ruck just to further confuse the issue.

29 possessions is a huge effort.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 12, 2017, 10:03:32 PM
And now Hickey puts his hand up as a sole ruck just to further confuse the issue.
When in doubt stick with the Guns.     The more confused I get the more likely I start Goldy/Sandi and upgrade to Gawn after Goodwin gives up on the dual ruck idea.

All this confusion makes me feel better about picking Witts, time to look and work out who is dominating.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: plumdog millionaire on March 12, 2017, 10:05:04 PM
And now Hickey puts his hand up as a sole ruck just to further confuse the issue.
When in doubt stick with the Guns.     The more confused I get the more likely I start Goldy/Sandi and upgrade to Gawn after Goodwin gives up on the dual ruck idea.
This, with Nank at F3/4
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 12, 2017, 10:06:49 PM
And now Hickey puts his hand up as a sole ruck just to further confuse the issue.
When in doubt stick with the Guns.     The more confused I get the more likely I start Goldy/Sandi and upgrade to Gawn after Goodwin gives up on the dual ruck idea.

All this confusion makes me feel better about picking Witts, time to look and work out who is dominating.

Agree totally. And that early bye for him is perfect to force us to make a move on him at some early stage
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Goosey on March 12, 2017, 10:17:20 PM
And now Hickey puts his hand up as a sole ruck just to further confuse the issue.
When in doubt stick with the Guns.     The more confused I get the more likely I start Goldy/Sandi and upgrade to Gawn after Goodwin gives up on the dual ruck idea.

All this confusion makes me feel better about picking Witts, time to look and work out who is dominating.

But surely by the time you work out who is dominating it's too late? What can you do with a 200K ruck if you want to jump on who's hot?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: erich1036 on March 12, 2017, 10:18:21 PM
And now Hickey puts his hand up as a sole ruck just to further confuse the issue.
When in doubt stick with the Guns.     The more confused I get the more likely I start Goldy/Sandi and upgrade to Gawn after Goodwin gives up on the dual ruck idea.

All this confusion makes me feel better about picking Witts, time to look and work out who is dominating.

But surely by the time you work out who is dominating it's too late? What can you do with a 200K ruck if you want to jump on who's hot?

I don't think Witts would still be 200K by this stage of the season...
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 12, 2017, 10:21:09 PM
And now Hickey puts his hand up as a sole ruck just to further confuse the issue.
When in doubt stick with the Guns.     The more confused I get the more likely I start Goldy/Sandi and upgrade to Gawn after Goodwin gives up on the dual ruck idea.

All this confusion makes me feel better about picking Witts, time to look and work out who is dominating.

But surely by the time you work out who is dominating it's too late? What can you do with a 200K ruck if you want to jump on who's hot?

Witts will be 323k by round 7 based on a 75 average & 340k based on an 80 average. By that stage there will be a some bargains on the board.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Mat0369 on March 12, 2017, 10:22:10 PM
What's funny is Witts was dominated by Archie Smith 3 weeks ago and everyone was saying he is a horrible pick etc. Now he has an alright game against Tom Boyd and people are locking him into R2.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 12, 2017, 10:22:38 PM
All this ruck confusion

I'm thinking of just going YOLO for season 2017 and starting heaps of mid price risky players

Will play around with it now and see what i come up with
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 12, 2017, 10:27:39 PM
What's funny is Witts was dominated by Archie Smith 3 weeks ago and everyone was saying he is a horrible pick etc. Now he has an alright game against Tom Boyd and people are locking him into R2.
i've got him on the bench
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 12, 2017, 10:30:44 PM
What's funny is Witts was dominated by Archie Smith 3 weeks ago and everyone was saying he is a horrible pick etc. Now he has an alright game against Tom Boyd and people are locking him into R2.

He's a rookie with 40 games experience and a high ceiling, if he bombs it's no big deal. His form in the VFL last year was pretty good and you would expect at 24 things are about to click. If things don't turn out he gets traded by round 3.   

As far as the other rookies go only Taranto seems a reasonable bet to average more however he'd have to pull off some Ollie Wines type numbers to average 75.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Goosey on March 12, 2017, 10:31:08 PM
And now Hickey puts his hand up as a sole ruck just to further confuse the issue.
When in doubt stick with the Guns.     The more confused I get the more likely I start Goldy/Sandi and upgrade to Gawn after Goodwin gives up on the dual ruck idea.

All this confusion makes me feel better about picking Witts, time to look and work out who is dominating.

But surely by the time you work out who is dominating it's too late? What can you do with a 200K ruck if you want to jump on who's hot?

Witts will be 323k by round 7 based on a 75 average & 340k based on an 80 average. By that stage there will be a some bargains on the board.

It's probably too late by R7, especially if 75 avg means a few 50's to go with a few 100's, only to have made 125K. But this is just my opinion, I prefer to lock in something a bit more solid in the rucks  :)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 12, 2017, 10:37:28 PM
All this ruck confusion

I'm thinking of just going YOLO for season 2017 and starting heaps of mid price risky players

Will play around with it now and see what i come up with
YOLO?      Please explain......     (with a red headed aussie strine accent)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 12, 2017, 10:38:36 PM
And now Hickey puts his hand up as a sole ruck just to further confuse the issue.
When in doubt stick with the Guns.     The more confused I get the more likely I start Goldy/Sandi and upgrade to Gawn after Goodwin gives up on the dual ruck idea.

All this confusion makes me feel better about picking Witts, time to look and work out who is dominating.

But surely by the time you work out who is dominating it's too late? What can you do with a 200K ruck if you want to jump on who's hot?

Witts will be 323k by round 7 based on a 75 average & 340k based on an 80 average. By that stage there will be a some bargains on the board.

It' probably too late by R7, especially if 75 avg means a few 50's to go with a few 100's, only to have made 125K. But this is just my opinion, I prefer to lock in something a bit more solid in the rucks  :)

There's also points to consider and ensuring the number 1 ruck gets locked down without wasting trades. If Goldy doesn't recover from the knee injury and Gawn finds himself sharing the ruck with Spencer then there may even be some other players who emerge. One thing about rucks is they are a nightmare to predict, the one constant has been Goldy but he's 29 in a rebuilding side. Not confident about anyone this year.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 12, 2017, 10:39:22 PM
What's funny is Witts was dominated by Archie Smith 3 weeks ago and everyone was saying he is a horrible pick etc. Now he has an alright game against Tom Boyd and people are locking him into R2.

He's a rookie with 40 games experience and a high ceiling, if he bombs it's no big deal. His form in the VFL last year was pretty good and you would expect at 24 things are about to click. If things don't turn out he gets traded by round 3.   

As far as the other rookies go only Taranto seems a reasonable bet to average more however he'd have to pull off some Ollie Wines type numbers to average 75.

We've had our fair share of discussion about Witts, but to say he has a high ceiling is a bit of a stretch. 3 tons in his career

What happens if he isn't even named for Round 1? Article on afl.com.au about how he is pushing for a chance to get that spot. He's a chance, but no certainty at all

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 12, 2017, 10:42:14 PM
What's funny is Witts was dominated by Archie Smith 3 weeks ago and everyone was saying he is a horrible pick etc. Now he has an alright game against Tom Boyd and people are locking him into R2.

He's a rookie with 40 games experience and a high ceiling, if he bombs it's no big deal. His form in the VFL last year was pretty good and you would expect at 24 things are about to click. If things don't turn out he gets traded by round 3.   

As far as the other rookies go only Taranto seems a reasonable bet to average more however he'd have to pull off some Ollie Wines type numbers to average 75.

We've had our fair share of discussion about Witts, but to say he has a high ceiling is a bit of a stretch. 3 tons in his career

What happens if he isn't even named for Round 1? Article on afl.com.au about how he is pushing for a chance to get that spot. He's a chance, but no certainty at all

Well he will be named round 1 100% but if he doesn't we don't pick him? Pretty simple
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 12, 2017, 10:52:01 PM
What's funny is Witts was dominated by Archie Smith 3 weeks ago and everyone was saying he is a horrible pick etc. Now he has an alright game against Tom Boyd and people are locking him into R2.

He's a rookie with 40 games experience and a high ceiling, if he bombs it's no big deal. His form in the VFL last year was pretty good and you would expect at 24 things are about to click. If things don't turn out he gets traded by round 3.   

As far as the other rookies go only Taranto seems a reasonable bet to average more however he'd have to pull off some Ollie Wines type numbers to average 75.

We've had our fair share of discussion about Witts, but to say he has a high ceiling is a bit of a stretch. 3 tons in his career

What happens if he isn't even named for Round 1? Article on afl.com.au about how he is pushing for a chance to get that spot. He's a chance, but no certainty at all

Who will they pick in his absence? Looking at this logically it will be Witts and not a player who hasn't had a preseason. As far as his ceiling is concerned, he was largely second fiddle to Grundy and that's why he doesn't have more tons on the board. In the latter part of 2016 he took down quite a few AFL opponents in the VFL, often racking up 20 touches and 50+ hit outs. He'll be sole ruck and at 209cm should get enough HOTA to make a comfortable 75+ average. I understand the sacredness of R2 but this is a different year with so much uncertainty and crap forward rookies.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: _wato on March 12, 2017, 11:00:20 PM
Couldn't agree more Bully.

Simply it's not that hard to work out.

Goldy (110) + Black (55) v Macrae (95) + Witts (80) is one example.

Goldy (110) + Turner (60) v NRoo (100) + Witts (80)

Goldy (110) + $117k rookie - dunno who you'd pick (60) v Caddy (90) + Witts (80)

^^^ all for the same price. And that's assuming Goldy is sole ruck and scores at a premium level. Witts is priced at $217k and should be named as a sole ruck Round 1. He's the same price as WHE for god sake but he will score more points and has greater JS. Let's be completely honest, if this was any other line barring the rucks you wouldn't even think twice about it. He is a good pick with great upside and if it falls to pieces I'll look like the fool, but it is really a very easy fix. Nank to R2 and Witts to Taranto or another good scoring rookie. Simple.

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Goosey on March 12, 2017, 11:06:48 PM
Couldn't agree more Bully.

Simply it's not that hard to work out.

Goldy (110) + Black (55) v Macrae (95) + Witts (80) is one example.

Goldy (110) + Turner (60) v NRoo (100) + Witts (80)

Goldy (110) + (0) v Higgins (90) + Witts (80)


^^^ All for the same price. And that's assuming Goldy is sole ruck and scores at a premium level. Witts is priced at $217k and should be named as a sole ruck Round 1. He's the same price as WHE for god sake but he will score more points and has greater JS. Let's be completely honest, if this was any other line barring the rucks you wouldn't even think twice about it. He is a good pick with great upside and if it falls to pieces I'll look like the fool, but it is really a very easy fix. Nank to R2 and Witts to Taranto or another good scoring rookie. Simple.

A completely valid argument, but we all want to select rucks which won't cost us unnecessary trades, so if you move Nank to R2 and you lose your ruck cover, who else can you get for 200K to fill that void in your forward line?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 12, 2017, 11:10:26 PM
You boys make a lot of sense, and that's something I've never questioned ftr

So lets say Witts gets dropped and you do trade him to Taranto etc and swing Nank in

Are you comfortable having Sandi Nank with zero cover?

I'm starting Sandi and Nank in my team too, but even I think it's overly ambitious to think Sandi and Nank will do the job all year so that means eventually upgrades need to be made. If Witts gets dropped or injured too, you could be potentially using up to 6 trades to get your rucks finalised, where as teams with Goldy/Gawn R1 and Nank F4 could only use 2 AND have perma cover in Nank

All best case vs worst case scenario though
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 12, 2017, 11:14:48 PM
Let's stop talking about witts please before it becomes to obvious for everyone to jump on.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: _wato on March 12, 2017, 11:17:55 PM
Just gonna take the gamble that I won't need it. Better scenario, hope that it doesn't come to that, and Sandi Witts last until I need them too.

Honestly I think Sandi is a genuinely safe bet, it's all on Witts. He's 209cm so he has the height covered over most rucks which is why GC are so interested in playing him. Could be anything.

This is worst case scenario

Witts dropped -> Taranto before Rd 3. After I go for best available rookie. Inject $100k possibly.
Next trade will be my F6 to Goldy or best performing ruck requiring a dg, inject $250k in dg, net $350k turn $300k rook into Goldy for $200k
Sandi $500k > best performing ruck requires $50k, push Nank back to F6 maybe use another trade to get this all done. 5 trades max and one was a corrective so I'll live with it.

Best case scenario

Witts $400k and Sandi $500k both increase in price, downgrade for cash, double upgrade and 3 trades used, loads more points over others with rank F6.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: GoLions on March 12, 2017, 11:48:09 PM
Pretty sure the worst case is if Witts gets dropped, you bring Nank forward, and then Sandi gets injured ;)

Basically why i haven't considered Witts, cause I'm fairly confident that Nicholls will come back into the side early on, and i wouldn't start Sandi without cover.

Only way I'd start Witts is at R3, but Cameron, Preuss, English all chances to play games so meh.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 13, 2017, 12:04:09 AM
Would this be completely crazy?

Starting witts sandi and then Ryder and nank in the forwards?

Ryder gets really appealing when he is solo ruck. With the emergence of eddy this would allow them to have all of Trengove dixon or westhoff chip in when required.

Can't completely overlook what he did today.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 13, 2017, 12:16:27 AM
Would this be completely crazy?

Starting witts sandi and then Ryder and nank in the forwards?

Ryder gets really appealing when he is solo ruck. With the emergence of eddy this would allow them to have all of Trengove dixon or westhoff chip in when required.

Can't completely overlook what he did today.

I've already done that, I believe Ryder can easily hit 90+ this year. Eddy was always the key and it looks like he's good enough. Ryder's poor year in 2015 was down to being a lone forward in a crap team, it was really that simple. His best year was a 105 when he was the main ruck at the Dons.

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 13, 2017, 12:34:37 AM
Would this be completely crazy?

Starting witts sandi and then Ryder and nank in the forwards?

Ryder gets really appealing when he is solo ruck. With the emergence of eddy this would allow them to have all of Trengove dixon or westhoff chip in when required.

Can't completely overlook what he did today.

I've already done that, I believe Ryder can easily hit 90+ this year. Eddy was always the key and it looks like he's good enough. Ryder's poor year in 2015 was down to being a lone forward in a crap team, it was really that simple. His best year was a 105 when he was the main ruck at the Dons.

Oh god creepy how much we thinking alike
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: thornz23 on March 13, 2017, 12:38:38 AM
I've just done the same thing.. think there is a lot of value ruck picks and think they will have a much stronger year again with the new 3rd man up rule.

I don't know about Witts, seems like a reasonable idea tbh and might end up running with him too but for the moment I've got Goldy and Sandi in the rucks and then Ryder and Nank at F3 and F5.

I was gonna run with 3 on field rookies in the fwd line but I'm not as confident anymore so wanted to beef that line up a bit and I think there's too much uncertainty in a lot of the fwds getting thrown around after say Macrae and Dahl (NRoo is too expensive for me this year).

Agree Ryder will go back to 90+ again being the sole ruck with no Lobbe.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: batt on March 13, 2017, 12:51:56 AM
I am only really confused because I know how good a scoring line the rucks can be.  High floor AND high ceiling for a lot of these guys if they are sole rucks.

So? 

This is going to take a lot of thinking to figure out.  It's not clear cut by any means.  Just remember to prioritise scoring history.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Jukes on March 13, 2017, 01:00:26 AM
Yeah it's going to be really hard to pick rucks for 2017

You have Gawn, who won't be going up in price/scoring but probably will remain the #1 ruck in the comp
Grundy should be good, but can he be great?
Goldy and Stef Martin are underpriced but come with their issues (injuries and possibilities of sharing the ruckload)
Sandi is as injury prone as they get but his scoring potential is massive
Witts, Ryder, and Nankervis are cheap, but can they perform with the expectations on them?

It's only two spots but I reckon if you nail them it would be a huge advantage over everybody else
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ingram on March 13, 2017, 02:54:13 AM
Just checking, why is Currie not in the conversation again?

93 from 69% and 95 from 64% in the first 2 JLT games. Didn't play JLT3.

3rd club, 28 years old. I know he has a knee issue he manages. 338k isn't too bad.

More importantly maybe, is he going to threaten Witts' JS?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 13, 2017, 08:19:55 AM
Just checking, why is Currie not in the conversation again?

93 from 69% and 95 from 64% in the first 2 JLT games. Didn't play JLT3.

3rd club, 28 years old. I know he has a knee issue he manages. 338k isn't too bad.

More importantly maybe, is he going to threaten Witts' JS?

He's your Johno Giles - always the emergency

Witts split the webbing in his hand early on which explains his absence and why Currie played as he was the only fit ruck they had

Before reading the last few comments I'd also been playing around with both Nank and Ryder in the team. Reckon it's the way to go too

I might even toy around with Witts now that I'd have both rucks in the fwd, giving the contingency plan the back up it needs
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Nige on March 13, 2017, 08:50:19 AM
Still pretty comfortalble backing in Nank and Sandi. Probably Preuss or Cameron at R3. No cover in the fwds unless I find a way to get Grundy at R1 and move Nank fwd which probably won't happen.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 13, 2017, 10:23:10 AM
how long is lobbe out for?   is he likely to ruck with ryder at some stage,  at ryders price he would be expected to be a keeper

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 13, 2017, 10:25:50 AM
how long is lobbe out for?   is he likely to ruck with ryder at some stage,  at ryders price he would be expected to be a keeper

Imo lobbe is not best.m 22 any more
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 13, 2017, 12:05:20 PM
how long is lobbe out for?   is he likely to ruck with ryder at some stage,  at ryders price he would be expected to be a keeper

Imo lobbe is not best.m 22 any more

They couldn't even give him away over trade week. He's a statue and completely useless around the ground.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 13, 2017, 12:47:17 PM
Well after JLT I'm still no closer to choosing my rucks before JLT was going set and forget Gawn and Goldy but honestly both needed to show more than they did for the cost of getting them , Sandi went bang in one game but just can't get the feeling out of my head at his age and size that the dreaded red cross is going to appear anytime after the 1st quarter starts in R1 , then we have Nank who is No1 ruck now but feel we could see him throw some low scores when the Tiges have there inevitable bad games .

Maybe this a good year not to be a sheep and go with something a bit left field ;D
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 13, 2017, 01:04:25 PM
With Conigilio out for 4 now I expect Taranto should get a good run at it early

With that the case, thinking I might look at doing Nank and Sandi as rucks with Ryder in the fwd line
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: colmullet on March 13, 2017, 01:08:53 PM
Thinking the Sandi/Witts Ryder+Nank 4 prong attack might be the way to go at the moment for SC at least, but it will take some balls to hold onto it through until the first game kicks off
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Huttabito on March 13, 2017, 01:23:29 PM
Thinking the Sandi/Witts Ryder+Nank 4 prong attack might be the way to go at the moment for SC at least, but it will take some balls to hold onto it through until the first game kicks off
I think it will come down to team selections Rd1.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on March 13, 2017, 01:25:44 PM
McKernan and Vardy with Boyd up forward.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Grufflez on March 13, 2017, 02:52:14 PM
McKernan and Vardy with Boyd up forward.

I quadruple dare you!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: petefisker on March 13, 2017, 02:57:23 PM
I had Gawn Goldy for a long time jealous of everyone's midfields.
After JLT and all the talk of the dual ruck combo from coaches his year and seriously hard to start even one of them.
I stopped Goldy to Sandy afew weeks agoand just have a feeling spencer will play.. I'm at a Grundy Sandy with filed cover at the moment, if press and Spencer play all year, hard to argue grundy won't be top 2 or 3. If Spencer downtown play round 1 I'll put Gawn back in.
Not sold on Ryder yet, awkward price, with rather Higgins.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Money Shot on March 13, 2017, 03:11:58 PM
Will probably go for the two most expensive sole rucks named at this stage.

Gawn and Goldy will be locked if Spencer and Preuss aren't named but if they are the likes of Mumford, Grundy, Martin will be looking likely to firm a spot in my team.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 13, 2017, 08:30:45 PM
Toying around with Witts

Bully, I think you did some analysis previously but if we assume he just needs to play the first 9 rounds his opponents will be

Stef
Mummy
Big Boy
Kreuz
Sauce
Goldy
Smith/Stanley
Ryder

All things considered, I think I might stick to my initial thoughts and pass on Witts

Can def understand the selection and others picking him, but his JS is questionable and I just don't think he will pay off in those short 9 rounds

Could be proven wrong, but that's the game
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 13, 2017, 08:40:32 PM
Toying around with Witts

Bully, I think you did some analysis previously but if we assume he just needs to play the first 9 rounds his opponents will be

Stef
Mummy
Big Boy
Kreuz
Sauce
Goldy
Smith/Stanley
Ryder

All things considered, I think I might stick to my initial thoughts and pass on Witts

Can def understand the selection and others picking him, but his JS is questionable and I just don't think he will pay off in those short 9 rounds

Could be proven wrong, but that's the game

Historically that's actually a favourable draw based on previous scoring history but everyone will have their own opinions. I'm backing Witts to outscore all the forward rookies, including Taranto who will have his ups and downs. As for the JS, Nicholls hasn't had a preseason so he'll be serving time in the magoos one would think.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ricochet on March 13, 2017, 08:44:05 PM
Toying around with Witts

Bully, I think you did some analysis previously but if we assume he just needs to play the first 9 rounds his opponents will be

Stef
Mummy
Big Boy
Kreuz
Sauce
Goldy
Smith/Stanley
Ryder

All things considered, I think I might stick to my initial thoughts and pass on Witts

Can def understand the selection and others picking him, but his JS is questionable and I just don't think he will pay off in those short 9 rounds

Could be proven wrong, but that's the game
That's actually a pretty good draw for Witts imo
Goldy and Mummy probs the only real challenge at stoppages

others he should beat or at least break even
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 13, 2017, 10:01:00 PM
Really wish I could find some info on Nicholls

By all reports, Witts is more or less locked to play Round 1, and it's his to lose, but I wouldn't mind hearing where Nicholls is at injury wise

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Rusty00 on March 13, 2017, 10:11:45 PM
Really wish I could find some info on Nicholls

By all reports, Witts is more or less locked to play Round 1, and it's his to lose, but I wouldn't mind hearing where Nicholls is at injury wise
Hasn't been on the injury list the last couple of weeks so assume it's a matter of getting the work into him.

I'm sure we'll find out more the next week or so.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 13, 2017, 10:29:55 PM
Really wish I could find some info on Nicholls

By all reports, Witts is more or less locked to play Round 1, and it's his to lose, but I wouldn't mind hearing where Nicholls is at injury wise
Hasn't been on the injury list the last couple of weeks so assume it's a matter of getting the work into him.

I'm sure we'll find out more the next week or so.

Still showing on Suns injury list

Problem is, it was updated Feb 21 and has Nicholls listed as 1-2 weeks with a calf injury

Hasn't been updated in over 3 weeks now

Rucks driving me insane - too many options and ways to go
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 13, 2017, 10:58:43 PM
Really wish I could find some info on Nicholls

By all reports, Witts is more or less locked to play Round 1, and it's his to lose, but I wouldn't mind hearing where Nicholls is at injury wise
Hasn't been on the injury list the last couple of weeks so assume it's a matter of getting the work into him.

I'm sure we'll find out more the next week or so.

Still showing on Suns injury list

Problem is, it was updated Feb 21 and has Nicholls listed as 1-2 weeks with a calf injury

Hasn't been updated in over 3 weeks now

Rucks driving me insane - too many options and ways to go

Don't think it really matters, Nicholls isn't the clear number 1 ruck. He'll probably have to spend some time building match fitness and will then be considered. Very few clubs throw in an underdone ruck if they have the depth. The form principle will apply to Witts but it also applies to Taranto (perhaps more so) and WHE. Witts has also tonned up against Mummy & Kreuzer twice so the cards have fallen favourably.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: frenzy on March 13, 2017, 11:58:52 PM
Really wish I could find some info on Nicholls

By all reports, Witts is more or less locked to play Round 1, and it's his to lose, but I wouldn't mind hearing where Nicholls is at injury wise
Hasn't been on the injury list the last couple of weeks so assume it's a matter of getting the work into him.

I'm sure we'll find out more the next week or so.

Did you see the video on Feb 21 with Marcus Ashcroft, saying Tom has had an interupted pre season and will be available for JLT3 along Gazza. But didn't get picked???

Still showing on Suns injury list

Problem is, it was updated Feb 21 and has Nicholls listed as 1-2 weeks with a calf injury

Hasn't been updated in over 3 weeks now

Rucks driving me insane - too many options and ways to go
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: elephants on March 14, 2017, 01:07:21 AM
Sandi-Witts + Nank F5

Y'all know you want to!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: jvalles69 on March 14, 2017, 12:25:28 PM
Currently rolling with Ryder and Sandi in the rucks and Nank @ F3.

This is going to be chaos for everyone when teams drop trying to work Gawn back into the salary cap.  ::)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Money Shot on March 14, 2017, 12:31:03 PM
What are people's thoughts on Mumford?

Yes, he is injury prone but he has shown that he can score huge and is the clear number one ruck with Lobb helping him out in the forward line when he needs a break.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 14, 2017, 12:52:15 PM
Currently rolling with Ryder and Sandi in the rucks and Nank @ F3.

This is going to be chaos for everyone when teams drop trying to work Gawn back into the salary cap.  ::)

It's twofold, those carrying Gawn will be hoping like hell he doesn't start the year with 2-3 sub 80 scores. Coming from 640k it's a potential cliff fall.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 14, 2017, 12:56:33 PM
Currently rolling with Ryder and Sandi in the rucks and Nank @ F3.

This is going to be chaos for everyone when teams drop trying to work Gawn back into the salary cap.  ::)

It's twofold, those carrying Gawn will be hoping like hell he doesn't start the year with 2-3 sub 80 scores. Coming from 640k it's a potential cliff fall.

realistically if you start with Gawn your never going to trade him out so its just missed oppurtunity of picking him up cheaper.

looking at his opening month saints,pies, dogs,carlton  should start pretty well.

im looking to get him round 10 after Freo Crows North 
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 14, 2017, 01:09:10 PM
Currently rolling with Ryder and Sandi in the rucks and Nank @ F3.

This is going to be chaos for everyone when teams drop trying to work Gawn back into the salary cap.  ::)

It's twofold, those carrying Gawn will be hoping like hell he doesn't start the year with 2-3 sub 80 scores. Coming from 640k it's a potential cliff fall.

realistically if you start with Gawn your never going to trade him out so its just missed oppurtunity of picking him up cheaper.

looking at his opening month saints,pies, dogs,carlton  should start pretty well.

im looking to get him round 10 after Freo Crows North

The other issue is people are assuming Gawn will be the top scoring ruck, with Spencer around I have my doubts.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 14, 2017, 01:14:13 PM
Currently rolling with Ryder and Sandi in the rucks and Nank @ F3.

This is going to be chaos for everyone when teams drop trying to work Gawn back into the salary cap.  ::)
GAwn is one you could always plan on picking up later.    Most coaches will have a team with a Goldy Sandy or Gawn Sandy structure.   Just roll it on, add the rooks and install.    No worries mate....
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Keeper27 on March 14, 2017, 02:04:57 PM
Goldy or Gawn, i dont really like any other @ R1 with sandi @ R2
Most people think they'll both lose money with possible shared duties.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: _wato on March 14, 2017, 02:11:43 PM
Gawn from last year
Saints - 92
Pies - 105, 119
Dogs - 49
Blues - 111

Average of 95
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 14, 2017, 02:15:41 PM
I know it's not right and always magnifies things, but if you take out the 2 170+ scores from Goldy last year, he then averaged 101 over the other 19 games

Can't just ignore them because he did score those 170's, but still - 101 over 19 and the better player they had, isn't great. I know his knee was sore but still

I've pretty much completely ruled out Gawn and Goldy (Amazing because 2+ weeks ago at least one was a lock) but with so much mid priced and crap fwd rookie options value coming in I think it's best to wait and see with those two and spread the cash over both fwd and ruc

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 14, 2017, 02:26:11 PM
I know it's not right and always magnifies things, but if you take out the 2 170+ scores from Goldy last year, he then averaged 101 over the other 19 games

Can't just ignore them because he did score those 170's, but still - 101 over 19 and the better player they had, isn't great. I know his knee was sore but still


yeah the big scores pull up his average,

but look what happens if you take his scores up till round 9 (got injured round 10) and remove the round 6 game where he got a few knocks and wasn't able to do much around the ground.

128 average

Thats pretty scary.

He did go 107 in the last 6 weeks too so was starting to get back into it.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: elephants on March 14, 2017, 02:34:55 PM
If you remove every game except the game he scored 173 he actually averaged 173!

He's so under-priced based on this!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Jukes on March 14, 2017, 03:20:18 PM
If you remove every game except the game he scored 173 he actually averaged 173!

He's so under-priced based on this!

BUT

If you remove every game except the game he scored 49 he actually averaged 49!

Avoid this 49-plagued spud as much as you can - if he averages a point over 49 I'd be very surprised.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 14, 2017, 04:38:32 PM
If you remove every game except the game he scored 173 he actually averaged 173!

He's so under-priced based on this!

BUT

If you remove every game except the game he scored 49 he actually averaged 49!

Avoid this 49-plagued spud as much as you can - if he averages a point over 49 I'd be very surprised.

But if you remove every game he averaged 0

that's pretty poor for 580+K
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 14, 2017, 04:44:15 PM
Toying around with Witts

Bully, I think you did some analysis previously but if we assume he just needs to play the first 9 rounds his opponents will be

Stef
Mummy
Big Boy
Kreuz
Sauce
Goldy
Smith/Stanley
Ryder

All things considered, I think I might stick to my initial thoughts and pass on Witts

Can def understand the selection and others picking him, but his JS is questionable and I just don't think he will pay off in those short 9 rounds

Could be proven wrong, but that's the game

Here's some comments re. Witts (Inside Football)

vs Martin (2014) Battled away but no match for Martin around the ground.   SC=70
vs Mummy (2014) Did some good work in the ruck against Mumford. Developing slowly. SC=72
               (2015) Big effort one-out in ruck against Mumford. Might have just taken points. SC=71
vs Hale/Ceglar (2015)  Had main ruck role and won tap count. SC=81
vs Kreuzer (2013) Kicked 2.2 and was handy in the ruck. Best game for the Pies. SC=69
Note: Kreuzer injured 2014
vs Warnock (2014) Useful input in attack and on the ball. SC=103
               (2014) Huge. Had seven hit-outs to advantage to go with three inside-50s and a goal. SC=135
vs Jacobs (2013) Led well early and looked dangerous in first term then influence diminished. SC=83
              (2014) Beaten by Jacobs in the end but didn’t give up his wicket easily. SC=88
Note: (2014) Round 9 played forward and was subbed out SC=46
vs Goldstein (2015) 21 hitouts and a goal playing as second ruck and forward. Fair. SC=73
Note: (2014) Round 4 Couple of moments up forward but didn’t hit the scoreboard. Subbed out. SC=32
vs Smith (2014) Dominated the hit-out count and serviceable around the ground. SC=97
vs Ryder (2014) Halved hit-outs with Ryder but no influence around ground. SC=47
             (2014) Grabbed a few second-half disposals and offered support in ruck. SC=70
             (2015) Impressive in tough conditions for ruckmen. SC=63
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Money Shot on March 14, 2017, 04:58:23 PM
This time two weeks ago I had Goldy/Gawn locked in now I have Nankilands :)

Going with Spencer (if named) and Witts for AFL Fantasy because rucks aren't as important there.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 14, 2017, 05:08:26 PM
Just taking the stats above, Witts has an average of 76 against his opponents leading up to the bye. All things remaining equal his price at the end of round 8 would be 340k. Also bear in mind that he was sharing ruck duties with Grundy in half of those matches. With some natural improvement factored into the equation & sole ruck duties I think he can nudge 80, that would push his price to 360k+. I think for a rookie this would be a solid return.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 14, 2017, 07:23:50 PM
Pretty much sums it up

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/supercoach-news/supercoach-2017-how-much-does-sharing-the-ruck-impact-premium-scores/news-story/2f2b45231733a946297ee38ec6682926
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 14, 2017, 07:36:05 PM
That's it I'm not having any rucks.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 14, 2017, 07:36:54 PM
Pretty much sums it up

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/supercoach-news/supercoach-2017-how-much-does-sharing-the-ruck-impact-premium-scores/news-story/2f2b45231733a946297ee38ec6682926

Might need to summarise the main points, paywalled.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 14, 2017, 08:56:03 PM
Pretty much sums it up

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/supercoach-news/supercoach-2017-how-much-does-sharing-the-ruck-impact-premium-scores/news-story/2f2b45231733a946297ee38ec6682926

Might need to summarise the main points, paywalled.

Basically just giving the numbers on how the best rucks score better when solo, so if Spencer and Preuss/Daw play you can expect a drop, and Stef goes well without Archie etc
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Nige on March 14, 2017, 10:19:35 PM
That's why you gotta get on Grundy and Nank!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 14, 2017, 10:25:55 PM
That's why you gotta get on Grundy and Nank!

Grundy, Nank & Sandilands
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 14, 2017, 10:30:20 PM
That's why you gotta get on Grundy and Nank!
Nank is more attractive whilst Hampson is out.    Grundy will have M Cox cutting his lunch most games.  If Archie Smith doesnt start then Stef is a valid option again as well.   

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Nige on March 14, 2017, 10:45:28 PM
That's why you gotta get on Grundy and Nank!

Grundy, Nank & Sandilands
Yep, they're the three I have. Grundy R1, Sandi R2 and Nank F5. Beautiful combination.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: batt on March 15, 2017, 12:55:35 AM
Oh god I just came to the dark side with Sandiwitts.

My 3 rucks combined cost less than Gawn.  Bugger me.

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Judd Magic on March 15, 2017, 01:58:44 AM
I'm going Nank and Sandi as R1 and R2 with Witts at R3.

If Witts shows he is capable of holding down R2 I might switch Nank down forward with Strnadica, Taranto to M8 and Powell-Pepper to M9.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: quinny88 on March 15, 2017, 03:05:01 AM
I'm going Nank and Sandi as R1 and R2 with Witts at R3.

If Witts shows he is capable of holding down R2 I might switch Nank down forward with Strnadica, Taranto to M8 and Powell-Pepper to M9.

Considering this ruck set up myself. Makes all other lines look very nice too. Gonna be very hard to fix if it goes sour though
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: jvalles69 on March 15, 2017, 03:12:07 PM
With all these ruck options in Ryder, Nank, Witts, Sandi etc.  Is anyone actually following through if Gawn and Goldy are named sole ruckmen?  Think it's still an option, but surely you couldn't doing knowing Gawn and Goldy are capable of monster scores.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 15, 2017, 03:15:28 PM
With all these ruck options in Ryder, Nank, Witts, Sandi etc.  Is anyone actually following through if Gawn and Goldy are named sole ruckmen?  Think it's still an option, but surely you couldn't doing knowing Gawn and Goldy are capable of monster scores.
Even if there was a possibility that they are named sole ruckmen, i don't think they will. Spencer is almost a lock to play, and Preuss really impressed in JLT and I would think Daw is a chance also.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 15, 2017, 03:22:12 PM
With all these ruck options in Ryder, Nank, Witts, Sandi etc.  Is anyone actually following through if Gawn and Goldy are named sole ruckmen?  Think it's still an option, but surely you couldn't doing knowing Gawn and Goldy are capable of monster scores.

people are really overestimating the Preuss/Daw factor.

2015: Daw played and Goldy Scored 148

2014: the start goldy had that injured arm and Daw helped out alot but the last 3 games with Daw 166 131 133

I currently have the Vice Captain on Todd v Giles/Vardy at Etihad.

For Gawn if there was no sandi i would have him too.

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: jvalles69 on March 15, 2017, 03:25:55 PM
With all these ruck options in Ryder, Nank, Witts, Sandi etc.  Is anyone actually following through if Gawn and Goldy are named sole ruckmen?  Think it's still an option, but surely you couldn't doing knowing Gawn and Goldy are capable of monster scores.

people are really overestimating the Preuss/Daw factor.

2015: Daw played and Goldy Scored 148

2014: the start goldy had that injured arm and Daw helped out alot but the last 3 games with Daw 166 131 133

I currently have the Vice Captain on Todd v Giles/Vardy at Etihad.

For Gawn if there was no sandi i would have him too.

I completely agree and its only due to bye structure I have Gawn over Goldy, was just interested to know from the guys who do think it will be detrimental to their scores.  If anything if Spencer is named I prob will switch him to Goldy in case Gawn drops in price early.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 15, 2017, 03:41:20 PM
With all these ruck options in Ryder, Nank, Witts, Sandi etc.  Is anyone actually following through if Gawn and Goldy are named sole ruckmen?  Think it's still an option, but surely you couldn't doing knowing Gawn and Goldy are capable of monster scores.

people are really overestimating the Preuss/Daw factor.

2015: Daw played and Goldy Scored 148

2014: the start goldy had that injured arm and Daw helped out alot but the last 3 games with Daw 166 131 133

I currently have the Vice Captain on Todd v Giles/Vardy at Etihad.

For Gawn if there was no sandi i would have him too.



Firstly now with Petrie gone do you think the coach will go with all 3 I'm not sure myself ? I'm fine with Daw and Goldy but if Preuss plays as well it has to affect Goldy's scoring and I won't be going with him same With Gawn at his price he needs to be the sole ruck
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 15, 2017, 03:52:51 PM
people are really overestimating the Preuss/Daw factor.

2015: Daw played and Goldy Scored 148

2014: the start goldy had that injured arm and Daw helped out alot but the last 3 games with Daw 166 131 133

I currently have the Vice Captain on Todd v Giles/Vardy at Etihad.

For Gawn if there was no sandi i would have him too.

TODD GOLDSTEIN (NM) $588,400

2016 SC average: 108.14

2016 average as sole ruckman: 113

2016 average as shared ruck: 98.9 from eight matches
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 15, 2017, 03:58:58 PM
With all these ruck options in Ryder, Nank, Witts, Sandi etc.  Is anyone actually following through if Gawn and Goldy are named sole ruckmen?  Think it's still an option, but surely you couldn't doing knowing Gawn and Goldy are capable of monster scores.

people are really overestimating the Preuss/Daw factor.

2015: Daw played and Goldy Scored 148

2014: the start goldy had that injured arm and Daw helped out alot but the last 3 games with Daw 166 131 133

I currently have the Vice Captain on Todd v Giles/Vardy at Etihad.

For Gawn if there was no sandi i would have him too.



Firstly now with Petrie gone do you think the coach will go with all 3 I'm not sure myself ? I'm fine with Daw and Goldy but if Preuss plays as well it has to affect Goldy's scoring and I won't be going with him same With Gawn at his price he needs to be the sole ruck

Petrie didnt really do any hithouts.

The pinch hitting guys are Daw and sometimes Brown.

Daw was going about 5 hitouts a game in the last 6 weeks.

just cant see Daw Wood and Preuss in the same squad. Daw is getting transitioned from a Ruck to a Forward as i think we can all see preuss is the back up ruck so Daw is no longer needed.

The other thing is Mason Wood will come back at some stage.

Preuss Wood Waite Daw Brown and even guys like Durdin and Mckay.

can see Preuss possibly taking Daw's role, but then Brown would basically do no pinch hitting and Waite and Wood wont. So realistically its pretty much the same as usual with Goldy doing all the work and resting up forward abit with preuss in the ruck.

north forwards will be in and out of the squad.

what we have seen from Preuss is a great NAB 1 with goldy not named.
a very good NAB 2 where Goldy played 2/3 of his normal time and Preuss was good up front with 3 goals
NAB 3 being the truest test, He was rubbish with 8 hitouts and not much else while Goldy looked in 1st gear being the clear best ruck.



Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 15, 2017, 04:01:01 PM
people are really overestimating the Preuss/Daw factor.

2015: Daw played and Goldy Scored 148

2014: the start goldy had that injured arm and Daw helped out alot but the last 3 games with Daw 166 131 133

I currently have the Vice Captain on Todd v Giles/Vardy at Etihad.

For Gawn if there was no sandi i would have him too.

TODD GOLDSTEIN (NM) $588,400

2016 SC average: 108.14

2016 average as sole ruckman: 113

2016 average as shared ruck: 98.9 from eight matches

already answered this. He was injured in the second half when Daw was playing so of course the average will be like that.

Ben Brown in 2015 only had marginally less ruck time then Daw last year and Goldy averaged 128.

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: My Chumps on March 15, 2017, 06:09:28 PM
Has anyone else been considering the potential effect of the no third man up rule?

Without doing any research into the numbers, I would imagine teams would be going third man up very often against the best rucks of the comp. Especially against Goldy after his godlike season in 2015. Hit outs to advantage should come easier and more often this year, meaning there's definite scope for improvement amongst even the priciest rucks. I'm tempted to go Goldy + Gawn but Sandi should dominate for the same reason. 211 with no third man up is a beautiful prospect. Goldy + Gawn have a similar ceiling IMO so I'll take the cheaper option.

Goldy - Sandi - (Cameron/Strnadica)

I'm also now actually considering squeezing in Nank over Roughead.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 15, 2017, 06:39:14 PM
Has anyone else been considering the potential effect of the no third man up rule?

Without doing any research into the numbers, I would imagine teams would be going third man up very often against the best rucks of the comp. Especially against Goldy after his godlike season in 2015. Hit outs to advantage should come easier and more often this year, meaning there's definite scope for improvement amongst even the priciest rucks. I'm tempted to go Goldy + Gawn but Sandi should dominate for the same reason. 211 with no third man up is a beautiful prospect. Goldy + Gawn have a similar ceiling IMO so I'll take the cheaper option.

Goldy - Sandi - (Cameron/Strnadica)

I'm also now actually considering squeezing in Nank over Roughead.

Fair point, that's why Witts also has big upside, 209cm with no distractions. Curious to see how this affects guys like Bont as well.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: My Chumps on March 15, 2017, 06:39:48 PM
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/the-players-who-will-be-most-affected-by-afl-banning-thirdman-up/news-story/4b990201f722bf6bbff949231c5d274e (http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/the-players-who-will-be-most-affected-by-afl-banning-thirdman-up/news-story/4b990201f722bf6bbff949231c5d274e)

Actually having a look at this it seems like Gawn could be the one to benefit from the rule change the most.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Blues Blues Blues on March 15, 2017, 08:12:02 PM
Has anyone else been considering the potential effect of the no third man up rule?

Without doing any research into the numbers, I would imagine teams would be going third man up very often against the best rucks of the comp. Especially against Goldy after his godlike season in 2015. Hit outs to advantage should come easier and more often this year, meaning there's definite scope for improvement amongst even the priciest rucks. I'm tempted to go Goldy + Gawn but Sandi should dominate for the same reason. 211 with no third man up is a beautiful prospect. Goldy + Gawn have a similar ceiling IMO so I'll take the cheaper option.

Goldy - Sandi - (Cameron/Strnadica)

I'm also now actually considering squeezing in Nank over Roughead.

Fair point, that's why Witts also has big upside, 209cm with no distractions. Curious to see how this affects guys like Bont as well.

Agree - wondering if Bonts score may suffer
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 15, 2017, 08:22:18 PM
Bont is a star soon to be a superstar.  However change in rules for 3rd man, still young so I expect he will repeat last year given drop in points from 3rd man balanced against natural improvement.


Not in my starting or planned finishing mids.    I am going all superprem and proven prems,   
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 15, 2017, 08:30:25 PM
Has anyone else been considering the potential effect of the no third man up rule?

Without doing any research into the numbers, I would imagine teams would be going third man up very often against the best rucks of the comp. Especially against Goldy after his godlike season in 2015. Hit outs to advantage should come easier and more often this year, meaning there's definite scope for improvement amongst even the priciest rucks. I'm tempted to go Goldy + Gawn but Sandi should dominate for the same reason. 211 with no third man up is a beautiful prospect. Goldy + Gawn have a similar ceiling IMO so I'll take the cheaper option.

Goldy - Sandi - (Cameron/Strnadica)

I'm also now actually considering squeezing in Nank over Roughead.

Fair point, that's why Witts also has big upside, 209cm with no distractions. Curious to see how this affects guys like Bont as well.

Agree - wondering if Bonts score may suffer

I did the sums and he'll lose 6 points a game, but that should be counterbalanced by being at more contests and winning more contested ball. Still, it's probably one of those situations that makes you think twice about picking him.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: frenzy on March 15, 2017, 10:36:06 PM
Anyone mentioned Sauce Jacobs, haven't seen him in many teams. Sole ruckman atleast.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Roger Federer on March 16, 2017, 04:05:58 PM
I know it's not right and always magnifies things, but if you take out the 2 170+ scores from Goldy last year, he then averaged 101 over the other 19 games

Can't just ignore them because he did score those 170's, but still - 101 over 19 and the better player they had, isn't great. I know his knee was sore but still

I've pretty much completely ruled out Gawn and Goldy (Amazing because 2+ weeks ago at least one was a lock) but with so much mid priced and crap fwd rookie options value coming in I think it's best to wait and see with those two and spread the cash over both fwd and ruc

Yeah its a bloody scary thought going without Goldy and Gawn to start with but Im gonna do it.  So many rucks affected by sharing duties and have a feeling Nank is gonna get 80-100's.

Sandi and Nank starting for me with a view to either upgrading or moving nank into the fwd line for the next strongest ruckman.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on March 16, 2017, 06:46:04 PM
There was an article on the AFL site about Krooze so I'm on him now.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Gigantor on March 16, 2017, 06:49:36 PM
There was an article on the AFL site about Krooze so I'm on him now.

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Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Mat0369 on March 16, 2017, 08:12:31 PM
There was an article on the AFL site about Krooze so I'm on him now.

He's going to have to ruck solo with Levi spelling him since Sauce is injured. The funny thing with Kreuz is he played the most games he had in a while last year, however he was carrying an injury after the Cats game and wasn't really right.

The Geelong game he played a ripper and kicked the winner from memory. It was also the only time he rucked on his own for the season. If Sandi wasn't cheaper he's the mid price guy I'd be picking. If he doesn't get injured by the time Phillips gets back he would be nicely priced to trade to the best performing ruck.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: john23132 on March 16, 2017, 08:53:01 PM
"Viney says he thinks Gawn and Jake Spencer will both play Round 1" Bye bye Gawn hello Grundy.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: hawkers65 on March 16, 2017, 10:15:29 PM
Yep saw that too ! Nankilands will be it for me. Gawn is the only one i fancied tbh but with spencer there nah no way. When spencer gets dropped later on it could be time to go Nank to Gawn after cash has been made and gawn dropped
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on March 17, 2017, 01:38:20 AM
Nab cup means nothing folks. Stars coast through it and then remind everyone how good they are when the real stuff starts.

Todd should be in your team. You'll regret not picking him, guaranteed!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: LordSneeze on March 17, 2017, 09:13:46 AM
Nab cup means nothing folks. Stars coast through it and then remind everyone how good they are when the real stuff starts.

Todd should be in your team. You'll regret not picking him, guaranteed!

Plus people forget they are shorter quarters so high point scoring items overstate players (Goals etc). Most of the breakout players perform well over a shorter game, but struggle to keep up the intensity for a full AFL game.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Sonnydark on March 17, 2017, 09:25:22 AM
"Viney says he thinks Gawn and Jake Spencer will both play Round 1" Bye bye Gawn hello Grundy.

For those thinking about Sandilands - Witts & Nanks (F)

... would you also consider:

Sandilands - Spencer & Nanks (F)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 17, 2017, 09:36:31 AM
"Viney says he thinks Gawn and Jake Spencer will both play Round 1" Bye bye Gawn hello Grundy.

For those thinking about Sandilands - Witts & Nanks (F)

... would you also consider:

Sandilands - Spencer & Nanks (F)

surely not Spencer JS would alway be in threat and he is 230k. I dont like Witts but he is a much better pick then Spencer.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Money Shot on March 17, 2017, 02:06:39 PM
"Viney says he thinks Gawn and Jake Spencer will both play Round 1" Bye bye Gawn hello Grundy.

For those thinking about Sandilands - Witts & Nanks (F)

... would you also consider:

Sandilands - Spencer & Nanks (F)
I had Spencer is my AFL Fantasy but he could get dropped round 2.

Witts and Boyd and even Vardy are much better choices.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: fasttrack13 on March 17, 2017, 04:22:12 PM
I have adopted the Stef+Sandi (Strn/Nank) Swing...
Stef started really well last year until his concussion, reckon he will be back above 100 again. Pleased with his dominance of Sauce Jacobs too.

Does anyone think Hickey can go boom?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: john23132 on March 17, 2017, 04:40:29 PM
I have adopted the Stef+Sandi (Strn/Nank) Swing...
Stef started really well last year until his concussion, reckon he will be back above 100 again. Pleased with his dominance of Sauce Jacobs too.

Does anyone think Hickey can go boom?
Even with Archie Smith around?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 17, 2017, 05:01:19 PM
I have adopted the Stef+Sandi (Strn/Nank) Swing...
Stef started really well last year until his concussion, reckon he will be back above 100 again. Pleased with his dominance of Sauce Jacobs too.

Does anyone think Hickey can go boom?
Even with Archie Smith around?

Pretty sure Fagen got the message from Stef in JLT 3
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 17, 2017, 05:04:51 PM
I like Stef this year but like any of the rucks it's a lottery, more than happy to sit on the sidelines and see who emerges as the must have. By my reckoning it's between Gawn, Goldy, Martin, Hickey & Grundy.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 17, 2017, 05:08:17 PM
I like Stef this year but like any of the rucks it's a lottery, more than happy to sit on the sidelines and see who emerges as the must have. By my reckoning it's between Gawn, Goldy, Martin, Hickey & Grundy.

Agree, but don't discount Sandi. As long as he stays fit he's my R2 all year.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: jvalles69 on March 17, 2017, 05:11:05 PM
I have adopted the Stef+Sandi (Strn/Nank) Swing...
Stef started really well last year until his concussion, reckon he will be back above 100 again. Pleased with his dominance of Sauce Jacobs too.

Does anyone think Hickey can go boom?
Even with Archie Smith around?

Pretty sure Fagen got the message from Stef in JLT 3

Problem could be 1st round Gold Coast...who's May going to KO this time.  Last year Stef, previous Rocky... ???
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 17, 2017, 05:14:09 PM
I like Stef this year but like any of the rucks it's a lottery, more than happy to sit on the sidelines and see who emerges as the must have. By my reckoning it's between Gawn, Goldy, Martin, Hickey & Grundy.

Agree, but don't discount Sandi. As long as he stays fit he's my R2 all year.

I didn't include Sandi because every Tom, Dick and Harry already has him.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on March 17, 2017, 05:29:53 PM
I have adopted the Stef+Sandi (Strn/Nank) Swing...
Stef started really well last year until his concussion, reckon he will be back above 100 again. Pleased with his dominance of Sauce Jacobs too.

Does anyone think Hickey can go boom?
Even with Archie Smith around?

Pretty sure Fagen got the message from Stef in JLT 3

Problem could be 1st round Gold Coast...who's May going to KO this time.  Last year Stef, previous Rocky... ???
Depends on who Fagan wants up forward with Schache injured. He has a number of options one of which is Smith so we wait and see.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on March 17, 2017, 05:51:43 PM
A word of caution for those relying on Witts - Nicholls has been named in the Suns NEAFL side to take on Aspley in a trial match this weekend.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 17, 2017, 05:56:05 PM
A word of caution for those relying on Witts - Nicholls has been named in the Suns NEAFL side to take on Aspley in a trial match this weekend.

Shhh ringo.

He is 200k let everything pick him.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 17, 2017, 05:59:35 PM
A word of caution for those relying on Witts - Nicholls has been named in the Suns NEAFL side to take on Aspley in a trial match this weekend.

It's really no drama, if Nicholls plays then Witts becomes Taranto.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: tommy10 on March 17, 2017, 06:05:13 PM
A word of caution for those relying on Witts - Nicholls has been named in the Suns NEAFL side to take on Aspley in a trial match this weekend.

Shhh ringo.

He is 200k let everything pick him.
Was never gonna pick him but now everyone will jump off him  :P
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 17, 2017, 06:11:03 PM
A word of caution for those relying on Witts - Nicholls has been named in the Suns NEAFL side to take on Aspley in a trial match this weekend.

Shhh ringo.

He is 200k let everything pick him.
Was never gonna pick him but now everyone will jump off him  :P

I hope they do, but this will be a case of massively overrating Nicholls who gets smashed in the H/O department every week. Witts was recruited for a reason, he'll play round 1 and it's up to him to hold his place. People forget he was the number 1 ruck at Collingwood until he split the webbing in his hands.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 17, 2017, 07:43:55 PM
A word of caution for those relying on Witts - Nicholls has been named in the Suns NEAFL side to take on Aspley in a trial match this weekend.

Shhh ringo.

He is 200k let everything pick him.
Was never gonna pick him but now everyone will jump off him  :P

I hope they do, but this will be a case of massively overrating Nicholls who gets smashed in the H/O department every week. Witts was recruited for a reason, he'll play round 1 and it's up to him to hold his place. People forget he was the number 1 ruck at Collingwood until he split the webbing in his hands.

I really can't see how in the earth witts gets dropped from the side? They will play witts and Nichols before they drop witts imo. All this talk of witts getting dropped for Nichols once fit is nonsense. If they pick both for round 1 I'll still pick him.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: HoleMeal on March 17, 2017, 08:47:34 PM
A word of caution for those relying on Witts - Nicholls has been named in the Suns NEAFL side to take on Aspley in a trial match this weekend.

Shhh ringo.

He is 200k let everything pick him.
Was never gonna pick him but now everyone will jump off him  :P

I hope they do, but this will be a case of massively overrating Nicholls who gets smashed in the H/O department every week. Witts was recruited for a reason, he'll play round 1 and it's up to him to hold his place. People forget he was the number 1 ruck at Collingwood until he split the webbing in his hands.

I really can't see how in the earth witts gets dropped from the side? They will play witts and Nichols before they drop witts imo. All this talk of witts getting dropped for Nichols once fit is nonsense. If they pick both for round 1 I'll still pick him.

Never at any stage was he our number 1 ruck other than by default.
Grundy was left out of Round 1 last year for a reason.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 17, 2017, 10:32:30 PM
A word of caution for those relying on Witts - Nicholls has been named in the Suns NEAFL side to take on Aspley in a trial match this weekend.

Shhh ringo.

He is 200k let everything pick him.
Was never gonna pick him but now everyone will jump off him  :P

I hope they do, but this will be a case of massively overrating Nicholls who gets smashed in the H/O department every week. Witts was recruited for a reason, he'll play round 1 and it's up to him to hold his place. People forget he was the number 1 ruck at Collingwood until he split the webbing in his hands.

I really can't see how in the earth witts gets dropped from the side? They will play witts and Nichols before they drop witts imo. All this talk of witts getting dropped for Nichols once fit is nonsense. If they pick both for round 1 I'll still pick him.

Never at any stage was he our number 1 ruck other than by default.
Grundy was left out of Round 1 last year for a reason.

I think you're making light of the competition Witts put up for the number one mantle. The fact that Buckley played two ruckmen for the good part of two years illustrates how close it was. Grundy pulled away in 2016 and Witts was left languishing in the VFL, a competition which he dominated once over the hand injury. He's a good player and I think GC have done exceedingly well to grab him on the cheap. 
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: john23132 on March 18, 2017, 12:09:44 PM
Anyone going Grundy & Sandi like myself? Havent seen many
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: dmac07 on March 18, 2017, 12:16:43 PM
Anyone going Grundy & Sandi like myself? Havent seen many

I am. But not many doing it, im pretty happy with the Grundy/Sandi set up. Risking no forward cover though.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: john23132 on March 18, 2017, 12:25:49 PM
Anyone going Grundy & Sandi like myself? Havent seen many

I am. But not many doing it, im pretty happy with the Grundy/Sandi set up. Risking no forward cover though.
Risky prospect, i think all teams should start with the Nank
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: MontyJnr on March 18, 2017, 12:57:31 PM
Nicholls is lazy and extremely average haha why are people talking him up like he's the Gawn of Gold Coast? If Nicholls was fully fit, I'd still expect him to still languish in the reserves.. Currie a bigger risk IMO

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Nige on March 18, 2017, 12:58:56 PM
Anyone going Grundy & Sandi like myself? Havent seen many
Yep, locked and loaded. Nank at F5 too. Not for forward cover though, purely because I'm just keen to start all three.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: MontyJnr on March 18, 2017, 12:59:35 PM
Anyone considering Vardy? Only 50k more than Witts and very solid JS now with Naitanui and Lycett injured
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 18, 2017, 02:08:49 PM
Nicholls is lazy and extremely average haha why are people talking him up like he's the Gawn of Gold Coast? If Nicholls was fully fit, I'd still expect him to still languish in the reserves.. Currie a bigger risk IMO

Yep, part of the reason Witts chose GC was due to having a fair run at the top job. It's absurd to suggest he would go to a club and then play in a vastly inferior competition like the NEAFL.

Just for the record, here's why GC were so desperate to get a competent ruckman.

Nicholls HO Record

vs Gawn (9-60)
vs Sandi (16-48)
vs Mumford (18-51)
vs Naitanui (16-38)
vs Kurt Tippett (21-50) Note: Sinclair also had 23 hit outs
vs Hampson (23-42)
vs Leuenberger (24-32)
vs McEvoy/Ceglar (27-41)
vs Kreuzer (17-23) Note : Andrew Phillips had 11 hit outs

Statistically Nicholls is one of the worst tap ruckmen in the AFL and for a 200cm+ player, he's stone cold motherless last in the rankings. I hope people now realise that Witts will be given every opportunity to play out the year.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 18, 2017, 03:28:29 PM
Like the Witts advocates have said at the end of the day he's basically a 200k rookie, and he might actually get a good crack at being their number 1 ruck, and if it busts then you move Nank/Ryder to the rucks and sideways Witts to a fwd rookie

I'm contemplating Witts now, but I honestly wouldn't be expecting anything more than a 70ish average, which I guess isn't too bad at the end of the day IF he holds his spot and lasts up until their bye

Could even look at turning Witts and Nank into our R1 once we have a clearer idea of who the best ruck is
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Torpedo10 on March 18, 2017, 03:30:42 PM
Would people really be game enough to go SandiWitts with Nank forward?

Seems like an awful lot of risk for not much reward, Espeically if Goldy or Gawn start well.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 18, 2017, 03:45:02 PM
Would people really be game enough to go SandiWitts with Nank forward?

Seems like an awful lot of risk for not much reward, Espeically if Goldy or Gawn start well.

I think the main appeal of this is that it allows you to go deep in the forwards, because there are not many forward rookies at all and the ones that are looking likely to actually play are going to score really crap anyway
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 18, 2017, 04:19:05 PM
Would people really be game enough to go SandiWitts with Nank forward?

Seems like an awful lot of risk for not much reward, Espeically if Goldy or Gawn start well.

I don't see it as a risk if one can swing Ryder or Nank into R2. Goldy & Gawn are also fully priced so their value will be heading south, it's just a question of how much they shed. The risk is actually locking in a ruck when there are no guarantees that this choice will be the right one. Daw will affect Goldy's output, Spencer will affect Gawn's output, and if North go with Preuss one could expect more of the same.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 18, 2017, 05:54:04 PM
Would people really be game enough to go SandiWitts with Nank forward?

Seems like an awful lot of risk for not much reward, Espeically if Goldy or Gawn start well.

I think the main appeal of this is that it allows you to go deep in the forwards, because there are not many forward rookies at all and the ones that are looking likely to actually play are going to score really crap anyway
this plus also in defense. So many coaches are going to be crying when the likes of Stewart hibberd otten are either not named or dropped after one week.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Mat0369 on March 18, 2017, 06:22:52 PM
Like the Witts advocates have said at the end of the day he's basically a 200k rookie, and he might actually get a good crack at being their number 1 ruck, and if it busts then you move Nank/Ryder to the rucks and sideways Witts to a fwd rookie

I'm contemplating Witts now, but I honestly wouldn't be expecting anything more than a 70ish average, which I guess isn't too bad at the end of the day IF he holds his spot and lasts up until their bye

Could even look at turning Witts and Nank into our R1 once we have a clearer idea of who the best ruck is

I was on Witts early in the pre-season but it was never as a R2 option. That looks like it's going to bite a few in the ass if they do go that route. I'm in the camp that if there is a cheap R3 available then you start them. Witts, Preuss or Cameron were the 3 options, at the moment it's between Witts and Preuss as to who gets that bench spot. I'll make a decision early in the week.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: enzedder on March 18, 2017, 07:22:21 PM
The fwds are the worst bunch we've had in many a year. Put whatever dressing you want on it but few will get near 100 IMO. If you can pick which ones will get near 100 ave and they play 20-22 games then well
done.
Goldy and Gawn will average 110+ regardless of Spencer, Preuss, Daw, etc featuring during the year.
I have every intention at this stage stage on starting the big boys and will not have to worry about them scoring 100+ because they will ...whilst Witts owners will hoping he scores 80+ and Sandi owners will hope he plays each week.
A month ago everyone was happy to pay the piper for Gawn and Goldy. Now they seem to saving money for spuds or major injury risks to upgrade other players who are questionable at best.
I'm not buying it.
If Sandi Witts works it will be my worst SC season in a while.
At the moment I'm completely comfortable starting Goldy and Gawn.
Goldy has a great fixture to start the year.
Gawn should kill it again as #1 because Spencer is a spud.
We'll see though.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 18, 2017, 07:34:25 PM
Like the Witts advocates have said at the end of the day he's basically a 200k rookie, and he might actually get a good crack at being their number 1 ruck, and if it busts then you move Nank/Ryder to the rucks and sideways Witts to a fwd rookie

I'm contemplating Witts now, but I honestly wouldn't be expecting anything more than a 70ish average, which I guess isn't too bad at the end of the day IF he holds his spot and lasts up until their bye

Could even look at turning Witts and Nank into our R1 once we have a clearer idea of who the best ruck is

I was on Witts early in the pre-season but it was never as a R2 option. That looks like it's going to bite a few in the ass if they do go that route. I'm in the camp that if there is a cheap R3 available then you start them. Witts, Preuss or Cameron were the 3 options, at the moment it's between Witts and Preuss as to who gets that bench spot. I'll make a decision early in the week.

People keep saying having Witts at R2 is risky but that simply doesn't stack up to logic. What is the worst case scenario? He gets dropped and Nankervis goes to R2 instead? Strnadica then moves to the forward line and can be loop holed to ensure F6 gets two bites of the cherry. It really is nonsensical to be so melodramatic.

What's abundantly clear to me is that people have got in their head that you can't possibly play a rookie at R2. This is more about habit rather than being objective in their assessments. Also the fact that these same people have taken on different ruckmen indicates that there will be losers amongst you. To suggest otherwise is ignoring reality.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: quinny88 on March 18, 2017, 07:46:52 PM
I don't find the Witts selection as big of a risk as some but it's the combination of him and Sandi than makes it very risky.
Most people got one of Ryder or Nank to protect from a Sandi injury but now you have Witts getting dropped to worry about on top of that.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 18, 2017, 08:04:15 PM
I don't find the Witts selection as big of a risk as some but it's the combination of him and Sandi than makes it very risky.
Most people got one of Ryder or Nank to protect from a Sandi injury but now you have Witts getting dropped to worry about on top of that.

Then Witts gets traded, simple. It's the same principle that applies to any rookie, some get culled earlier than expected. If you were a bookmaker what odds would you give Taranto playing the first 8 games? Or Butler? Or Houston? Or WHE?

Now ask yourself out of that lot, who is more likely to average more? I'd have Witts at 75+ so already you're asking for an Ollie Wines type season out of Taranto, or for WHE to suddenly have a career best year and go from a 49 average with 1 score over 75, to churning out 70's & 80's week in, week out. And if he does? I can trade Witts to whoever. But those with premo rucks cannot trade in Witts. This is actually the most risk averse course of action but I think I'll just keep quiet for now. This is currently a good POD and it's better it stays that way.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: quinny88 on March 18, 2017, 08:25:49 PM
I don't find the Witts selection as big of a risk as some but it's the combination of him and Sandi than makes it very risky.
Most people got one of Ryder or Nank to protect from a Sandi injury but now you have Witts getting dropped to worry about on top of that.

Then Witts gets traded, simple. It's the same principle that applies to any rookie, some get culled earlier than expected. If you were a bookmaker what odds would you give Taranto playing the first 8 games? Or Butler? Or Houston? Or WHE?

Now ask yourself out of that lot, who is more likely to average more? I'd have Witts at 75+ so already you're asking for an Ollie Wines type season out of Taranto, or for WHE to suddenly have a career best year and go from a 49 average with 1 score over 75, to churning out 70's & 80's week in, week out. And if he does? I can trade Witts to whoever. But those with premo rucks cannot trade in Witts. This is actually the most risk averse course of action but I think I'll just keep quiet for now. This is currently a good POD and it's better it stays that way.

Trade Witts to who though? There are no other cheap rucks.
Let's say Sandi gets a 2-3 week injury and in the same week Witts gets dropped you can cover one with Nank and trade the other but you need someone to be able to trade them to.
Obviously that would be a disaster any time you have both your rucks injured/dropped but these guys do have a good chance of that happening. At least with Goldy or Gawn at R1 you can trade them to anyone
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 18, 2017, 08:38:43 PM
I don't find the Witts selection as big of a risk as some but it's the combination of him and Sandi than makes it very risky.
Most people got one of Ryder or Nank to protect from a Sandi injury but now you have Witts getting dropped to worry about on top of that.

Then Witts gets traded, simple. It's the same principle that applies to any rookie, some get culled earlier than expected. If you were a bookmaker what odds would you give Taranto playing the first 8 games? Or Butler? Or Houston? Or WHE?

Now ask yourself out of that lot, who is more likely to average more? I'd have Witts at 75+ so already you're asking for an Ollie Wines type season out of Taranto, or for WHE to suddenly have a career best year and go from a 49 average with 1 score over 75, to churning out 70's & 80's week in, week out. And if he does? I can trade Witts to whoever. But those with premo rucks cannot trade in Witts. This is actually the most risk averse course of action but I think I'll just keep quiet for now. This is currently a good POD and it's better it stays that way.

Trade Witts to who though? There are no other cheap rucks.
Let's say Sandi gets a 2-3 week injury and in the same week Witts gets dropped you can cover one with Nank and trade the other but you need someone to be able to trade them to.
Obviously that would be a disaster any time you have both your rucks injured/dropped but these guys do have a good chance of that happening. At least with Goldy or Gawn at R1 you can trade them to anyone

Nankervis or Ryder to R2, Witts to any forward that suits the moment. Or quite possibly Witts to the best performing ruck once the price increases kick in. The trade will depend on the circumstances but if he lasts 4-5 price increases then I will be sizing up Gawn. If it happens in round 3 I will bring in Taranto or any other decent cash cow.

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: _wato on March 18, 2017, 08:42:51 PM
Bully your reasoning is as sound as ever, no point trying to sway people otherwise.

I've gone Witts and I'm happy with that decision.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: quinny88 on March 18, 2017, 08:47:22 PM
I don't find the Witts selection as big of a risk as some but it's the combination of him and Sandi than makes it very risky.
Most people got one of Ryder or Nank to protect from a Sandi injury but now you have Witts getting dropped to worry about on top of that.

Then Witts gets traded, simple. It's the same principle that applies to any rookie, some get culled earlier than expected. If you were a bookmaker what odds would you give Taranto playing the first 8 games? Or Butler? Or Houston? Or WHE?

Now ask yourself out of that lot, who is more likely to average more? I'd have Witts at 75+ so already you're asking for an Ollie Wines type season out of Taranto, or for WHE to suddenly have a career best year and go from a 49 average with 1 score over 75, to churning out 70's & 80's week in, week out. And if he does? I can trade Witts to whoever. But those with premo rucks cannot trade in Witts. This is actually the most risk averse course of action but I think I'll just keep quiet for now. This is currently a good POD and it's better it stays that way.

Trade Witts to who though? There are no other cheap rucks.
Let's say Sandi gets a 2-3 week injury and in the same week Witts gets dropped you can cover one with Nank and trade the other but you need someone to be able to trade them to.
Obviously that would be a disaster any time you have both your rucks injured/dropped but these guys do have a good chance of that happening. At least with Goldy or Gawn at R1 you can trade them to anyone

Nankervis or Ryder to R2, Witts to any forward that suits the moment. Or quite possibly Witts to the best performing ruck once the price increases kick in. The trade will depend on the circumstances but if he lasts 4-5 price increases then I will be sizing up Gawn. If it happens in round 3 I will bring in Taranto or any other decent cash cow.

Yeah I'm more talking about if it happens early on. Can certainly see why people are going with the Sandi/Witts combo as it helps a lot loading up other positions but it is a risk in the early parts of the season.
Still will consider if Spencer is named with Gawn and Preuss is named with Goldy as I don't rate any of the other premium rucks
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: quinny88 on March 18, 2017, 09:48:45 PM
Apparently Ben brown got through in the VFL and is likely for round 1. Good news for Goldy owners as it's unlikely Preuss would play with Brown and Daw in the side
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: MontyJnr on March 18, 2017, 11:59:01 PM
Would people really be game enough to go SandiWitts with Nank forward?

Seems like an awful lot of risk for not much reward, Espeically if Goldy or Gawn start well.

It's an awful risk to pump ~600k each into Gawn and Goldstein only for them to pump out 90s while Witts gets 75-80. Owners that saved the cash on Witts then smash you with stacked forward lines whilst you cop 40s from Pickett/Parfaitt/Houston/Eddy at F6.

The bottom line is your not playing it anymore safer picking the big boys with Spencer/Preuss/Smith sniffing around. It's a complete gamble either way you decide to go and you could get hurt if Witts is only ~15-20 points off Gawn/Goldstein's scoring.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: MontyJnr on March 19, 2017, 12:02:08 AM
Apparently Ben brown got through in the VFL and is likely for round 1. Good news for Goldy owners as it's unlikely Preuss would play with Brown and Daw in the side

Daw has gone backwards and will probably never make it now. He's not a natural footballer.

Preuss >>> Daw if Brad Scott has half a brain
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Footyrulz on March 19, 2017, 12:19:47 AM
Apparently Ben brown got through in the VFL and is likely for round 1. Good news for Goldy owners as it's unlikely Preuss would play with Brown and Daw in the side

Daw has gone backwards and will probably never make it now. He's not a natural footballer.

Preuss >>> Daw if Brad Scott has half a brain
Completely disagree. Not only is Majak years ahead in his development (don't forget Preuss was mainly a rugby player as a junior), but Preuss will never have the agility, pace or stamina to make it as a forward. Majak is actually a fairly decent ruckman, so Preuss is no better there either.

Don't forget Majak kicked 4 in the finals last year. I doubt he'll be a consistently finals quality player, but he's more chance than Preuss.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Mat0369 on March 19, 2017, 02:09:02 AM
People keep saying having Witts at R2 is risky but that simply doesn't stack up to logic. What is the worst case scenario? He gets dropped and Nankervis goes to R2 instead? Strnadica then moves to the forward line and can be loop holed to ensure F6 gets two bites of the cherry. It really is nonsensical to be so melodramatic.

What's abundantly clear to me is that people have got in their head that you can't possibly play a rookie at R2. This is more about habit rather than being objective in their assessments. Also the fact that these same people have taken on different ruckmen indicates that there will be losers amongst you. To suggest otherwise is ignoring reality.

Your best case scenario is that Witts averages an 80, Goldy a 90 and you replacement forward is going to average the same as Goldy. The worst case scenario is Witts gets dropped, Goldy averages 120 over the first month, your forward will still average 90 while the forward rookie averages about 70. You then have to trade Witts (which burns a trade and generates no cash in the process) bring in a rookie forward and still have a sub par alternative to Goldy in the ruck.

You could still start Witts at R3 while having Goldy in your team and not have to run with Ryder/Nankervis for ruck cover. If Witts gets dropped you can use him to loophole until Nicholls inevitably gets injured. He could then provide cash generation down the track as a playing rookie. It minimises the risk and maximises the output considering you will be generating cash from multiple positions without forcing yourself to pay for 2 guys to cover 1 position in the forward line as a back up.

You are essentially putting your faith in two unproven commodities in a line that can produce premium mid numbers from the best. Meanwhile, the forward line this year looks scarce at the top end. 90-95 is looked at as a great return from a top end forward. Unless you're starting all 3 guys capable of outscoring Goldy in the forward line it seems like a waste. NRoo, Dahl and Macrae are the 3 I can only see getting close if they play to their potential, even then they all have the same bye so you could be in trouble come round 11. It's the same reason in the past I wouldn't spend cash in the back line. The drop off from the premiums to the expensive rookies like Hoskin-Elliot, Taranto etc. won't be as big as the drop off between the rookies and the top end guys on other lines, particularly in the ruck.

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: quinny88 on March 19, 2017, 02:46:16 AM
Ive changed my mind like 4 times on this now haha. I'm just gonna leave it till Thursday.
If Gawn or Goldy are named alone i run with 1 of them, if they aren't I get Witts.

Goldy plays WCE round 1 with no nicnat or Lycett then Geelong (Zac Smith) round 2
He will smash out a couple of 150s to start the year if he rucks alone
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 19, 2017, 10:33:37 AM
Ive changed my mind like 4 times on this now haha. I'm just gonna leave it till Thursday.
If Gawn or Goldy are named alone i run with 1 of them, if they aren't I get Witts.

Goldy plays WCE round 1 with no nicnat or Lycett then Geelong (Zac Smith) round 2
He will smash out a couple of 150s to start the year if he rucks alone

I currently have the witts set up but i must admit goldy against the eagles round 1 scares the hell out of me. The only thing is he has a history of scoring well when the Roos win and my eagles are going to pump the Roos by 10 goals round 1.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 19, 2017, 11:28:49 AM
People keep saying having Witts at R2 is risky but that simply doesn't stack up to logic. What is the worst case scenario? He gets dropped and Nankervis goes to R2 instead? Strnadica then moves to the forward line and can be loop holed to ensure F6 gets two bites of the cherry. It really is nonsensical to be so melodramatic.

What's abundantly clear to me is that people have got in their head that you can't possibly play a rookie at R2. This is more about habit rather than being objective in their assessments. Also the fact that these same people have taken on different ruckmen indicates that there will be losers amongst you. To suggest otherwise is ignoring reality.

Your best case scenario is that Witts averages an 80, Goldy a 90 and you replacement forward is going to average the same as Goldy. The worst case scenario is Witts gets dropped, Goldy averages 120 over the first month, your forward will still average 90 while the forward rookie averages about 70. You then have to trade Witts (which burns a trade and generates no cash in the process) bring in a rookie forward and still have a sub par alternative to Goldy in the ruck.

You could still start Witts at R3 while having Goldy in your team and not have to run with Ryder/Nankervis for ruck cover. If Witts gets dropped you can use him to loophole until Nicholls inevitably gets injured. He could then provide cash generation down the track as a playing rookie. It minimises the risk and maximises the output considering you will be generating cash from multiple positions without forcing yourself to pay for 2 guys to cover 1 position in the forward line as a back up.

You are essentially putting your faith in two unproven commodities in a line that can produce premium mid numbers from the best. Meanwhile, the forward line this year looks scarce at the top end. 90-95 is looked at as a great return from a top end forward. Unless you're starting all 3 guys capable of outscoring Goldy in the forward line it seems like a waste. NRoo, Dahl and Macrae are the 3 I can only see getting close if they play to their potential, even then they all have the same bye so you could be in trouble come round 11. It's the same reason in the past I wouldn't spend cash in the back line. The drop off from the premiums to the expensive rookies like Hoskin-Elliot, Taranto etc. won't be as big as the drop off between the rookies and the top end guys on other lines, particularly in the ruck.

Ok, that's a long post so I'll have to address each issue one by one.

First issue is that if the make up of your team contains one 200k rookie in the forward line then that is the player who should be compared to Witts. It's Goldy & 200k rookie versus Witts & Forward premo & $$$. Now I've gone with Ryder and have also used the residual cash to get Higgins, Nankervis is my F6. If you are running with 120k rookies in the forward line then you are running a far bigger risk than a 75 average from Witts, this will break many people and I bet Houston or Butler get dropped well before Witts.

Now on the worst case scenario. If Witts gets dropped in round 2, I simply move move him to the bench, put Nank or Ryder in at
R2, loophole Butler for a week and then assess the other rookies (I'm actually in the same position as you but with a forward loophole). Then by round 3 I pick off the best forward rookie using one of my correction trades.

Witts at a 75 average will be 340k by round 8, that's the aim. If he registers 80 he will be 360k. With roughly 200k short of Goldy or Gawn, I'll be able to upgrade in two trades. I'm personally hoping by that stage, Spencer is out of the side and Gawn is rucking solo, meanwhile Gawn has thrown up a couple of 60's and is around the 500k mark.

See the problem you face is that Goldy may well average 105 but is still 15 short of the next best ruckman. You are making a big bet on a guy with a degenerative knee who will be playing for a team likely to be 0-5 at the start of the year. Then there's the Daw /Preuss factor to consider. The fact of the matter is Goldy's scores suffer both in losses & with Daw - it's the double whammy and you are betting against history. Goldy faces 6 finalists in the first 8 rounds and Sandi, a player he scored 44 against 2 season's ago. To suggest he'll average 120 is being overly optimistic, I reckon you'll get 105 at best (even in 2015 Goldy only averaged 109 in losses).

So the risk is just as much in your court as it is mine, but at least I can confidently say I'll have the top scoring ruck in my side by season's end.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 19, 2017, 11:35:03 AM
People keep saying having Witts at R2 is risky but that simply doesn't stack up to logic. What is the worst case scenario? He gets dropped and Nankervis goes to R2 instead? Strnadica then moves to the forward line and can be loop holed to ensure F6 gets two bites of the cherry. It really is nonsensical to be so melodramatic.

What's abundantly clear to me is that people have got in their head that you can't possibly play a rookie at R2. This is more about habit rather than being objective in their assessments. Also the fact that these same people have taken on different ruckmen indicates that there will be losers amongst you. To suggest otherwise is ignoring reality.

Your best case scenario is that Witts averages an 80, Goldy a 90 and you replacement forward is going to average the same as Goldy. The worst case scenario is Witts gets dropped, Goldy averages 120 over the first month, your forward will still average 90 while the forward rookie averages about 70. You then have to trade Witts (which burns a trade and generates no cash in the process) bring in a rookie forward and still have a sub par alternative to Goldy in the ruck.

You could still start Witts at R3 while having Goldy in your team and not have to run with Ryder/Nankervis for ruck cover. If Witts gets dropped you can use him to loophole until Nicholls inevitably gets injured. He could then provide cash generation down the track as a playing rookie. It minimises the risk and maximises the output considering you will be generating cash from multiple positions without forcing yourself to pay for 2 guys to cover 1 position in the forward line as a back up.

You are essentially putting your faith in two unproven commodities in a line that can produce premium mid numbers from the best. Meanwhile, the forward line this year looks scarce at the top end. 90-95 is looked at as a great return from a top end forward. Unless you're starting all 3 guys capable of outscoring Goldy in the forward line it seems like a waste. NRoo, Dahl and Macrae are the 3 I can only see getting close if they play to their potential, even then they all have the same bye so you could be in trouble come round 11. It's the same reason in the past I wouldn't spend cash in the back line. The drop off from the premiums to the expensive rookies like Hoskin-Elliot, Taranto etc. won't be as big as the drop off between the rookies and the top end guys on other lines, particularly in the ruck.

Ok, that's a long post so I'll have to address each issue one by one.

First issue is that if the make up of your team contains one 200k rookie in the forward line then that is the player who should be compared to Witts. It's Goldy & 200k rookie versus Witts & Forward premo & $$$. Now I've gone with Ryder and have also used the residual cash to get Higgins, Nankervis is my F6. If you are running with 120k rookies in the forward line then you are running a far bigger risk than a 75 average from Witts, this will break many people and I bet Houston or Butler get dropped well before Witts.

Now on the worst case scenario. If Witts gets dropped in round 2, I simply move move him to the bench, put Nank or Ryder in at
R2, loophole Butler for a week and then assess the other rookies (I'm actually in the same position as you but with a forward loophole). Then by round 3 I pick off the best forward rookie using one of my correction trades.

Witts at a 75 average will be 340k by round 8, that's the aim. If he registers 80 he will be 360k. With roughly 200k short of Goldy or Gawn, I'll be able to upgrade in two trades. I'm personally hoping by that stage, Spencer is out of the side and Gawn is rucking solo, meanwhile Gawn has thrown up a couple of 60's and is around the 500k mark.

See the problem you face is that Goldy may well average 105 but is still 15 short of the next best ruckman. You are making a big bet on a guy with a degenerative knee who will be playing for a team likely to be 0-5 at the start of the year. Then there's the Daw /Preuss factor to consider. The fact of the matter is Goldy's scores suffer both in losses & with Daw - it's the double whammy and you are betting against history. Goldy faces 6 finalists in the first 8 rounds and Sandi, a player he scored 44 against 2 season's ago. To suggest he'll average 120 is being overly optimistic, I reckon you'll get 105 at best (even in 2015 Goldy only averaged 109 in losses).

So the risk is just as much in your court as it is mine, but at least I can confidently say I'll have the top scoring ruck in my side by season's end.

Thanks mate. Just when I was starting to get itchy fingers about witts you have reassured me the path.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 19, 2017, 12:10:54 PM
All rucks will not be decided till R1 teams are out , all rucks are in the mix and I have never got my rucks right in all the years of SC and this year is looking the hardest of all  :-\
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: TomK on March 19, 2017, 12:16:50 PM
Ok, that's a long post so I'll have to address each issue one by one.

First issue is that if the make up of your team contains one 200k rookie in the forward line then that is the player who should be compared to Witts. It's Goldy & 200k rookie versus Witts & Forward premo & $$$. Now I've gone with Ryder and have also used the residual cash to get Higgins, Nankervis is my F6. If you are running with 120k rookies in the forward line then you are running a far bigger risk than a 75 average from Witts, this will break many people and I bet Houston or Butler get dropped well before Witts.

Now on the worst case scenario. If Witts gets dropped in round 2, I simply move move him to the bench, put Nank or Ryder in at
R2, loophole Butler for a week and then assess the other rookies (I'm actually in the same position as you but with a forward loophole). Then by round 3 I pick off the best forward rookie using one of my correction trades.

Witts at a 75 average will be 340k by round 8, that's the aim. If he registers 80 he will be 360k. With roughly 200k short of Goldy or Gawn, I'll be able to upgrade in two trades. I'm personally hoping by that stage, Spencer is out of the side and Gawn is rucking solo, meanwhile Gawn has thrown up a couple of 60's and is around the 500k mark.

See the problem you face is that Goldy may well average 105 but is still 15 short of the next best ruckman. You are making a big bet on a guy with a degenerative knee who will be playing for a team likely to be 0-5 at the start of the year. Then there's the Daw /Preuss factor to consider. The fact of the matter is Goldy's scores suffer both in losses & with Daw - it's the double whammy and you are betting against history. Goldy faces 6 finalists in the first 8 rounds and Sandi, a player he scored 44 against 2 season's ago. To suggest he'll average 120 is being overly optimistic, I reckon you'll get 105 at best (even in 2015 Goldy only averaged 109 in losses).

So the risk is just as much in your court as it is mine, but at least I can confidently say I'll have the top scoring ruck in my side by season's end.
Well Bully, you have me convinced!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 19, 2017, 12:27:04 PM
Yep, it all makes sense to me

@Mat, I'm curious to know, if you have Witts at R3 and as you say "don't need Nank or Ryder for cover" then what does your forward line actually look like without them?

You must be relying on a lot of dubious rookies on field
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Huttabito on March 19, 2017, 12:31:56 PM
All rucks will not be decided till R1 teams are out , all rucks are in the mix and I have never got my rucks right in all the years of SC and this year is looking the hardest of all  :-\
If you could let us know your final set up, that would be grand!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Sabretooth Tigers on March 19, 2017, 12:42:41 PM
All rucks will not be decided till R1 teams are out , all rucks are in the mix and I have never got my rucks right in all the years of SC and this year is looking the hardest of all  :-\

Really know the feeling. Last season I very confidently started with Nicnat and Mummy and we all know how that fared. This year have been switching between Goldy / Gawn   to  Goldy / Sandi  with Nank up forward.  Sticking with the latter right up to the first bounce in anger.

 ;)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on March 19, 2017, 12:52:42 PM
Timmy English will play R1 and be the new Dean Cox so he's looking like he'll be my R1 by seasons end.

Vardy has no competition at WC so he's locked.

Sandi will last 2.3 matches so he's a no.

Boyd singlehandedly won 4 finals including a flag so has to be considered.

Goldy is Godly.

Witts is cheap and okayish.

Nank is in Vardy's class but better.

Stefan has to compete with all of Beams, Rocky and Zorko for the first time ever.

Gawn has a beard.

Grundy had an impressive 2nd half of the season and doesn't need to improve, just needs to maintain that.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: elephants on March 19, 2017, 12:54:49 PM
Stefan has to compete with all of Beams, Rocky and Zorko for the first time ever.

Didnt seem to bother him in his last JLT hitout haha
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on March 19, 2017, 02:07:50 PM
Stefan has to compete with all of Beams, Rocky and Zorko for the first time ever.

Didnt seem to bother him in his last JLT hitout haha
Some one has to hit it to these guys  ;)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Rusty00 on March 19, 2017, 06:15:47 PM
Gawn has a beard.
/thread
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: petefisker on March 19, 2017, 06:45:27 PM
Im just loving that Grundy is still looking strong and an extremely low risk option @ 8.3% at the moment.
In the first 7 rounds of the 2017 season the Grundylicious man DOES NOT compete against:
Gawn, Goldy, Stefan Martin, Sandy, WCE/Vardy OR Mummy.
Confident he'll get off to a flyer. Grundy also Averages 18 possies a game, higher than any other ruckman.

vs Dogs, Boyd/Campbell
vs Rich, Nank
vs Syd, Tippet
vs Saints, Hickey
vs Dons, Bellchambers
vs Cats, Stanley/Zac smith
vs Blues, Kreuzer

Dont have Witts as he's a spud and will get 40's. Have Taranto F6 who'll average alot more.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Torpedo10 on March 19, 2017, 06:46:32 PM
Im just loving that Grundy is still looking strong and an extremely low risk option @ 8.3% at the moment.
In the first 7 rounds of the 2017 season the Grundylicious man DOES NOT compete against:
Gawn, Goldy, Stefan Martin, Sandy, WCE/Vardy OR Mummy.
Confident he'll get off to a flyer. Grundy also Averages 18 possies a game, higher than any other ruckman.

vs Dogs, Boyd/Campbell
vs Rich, Nank
vs Syd, Tippet
vs Saints, Hickey
vs Dons, Bellchambers
vs Cats, Stanley/Zac smith
vs Blues, Kreuzer

Dont have Witts as he's a spud and will get 40's. Have Taranto F6 who'll average alot more.
What does the rest of your side look like? Mids and/or Defenders must be very weak.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: petefisker on March 19, 2017, 06:52:26 PM
Im just loving that Grundy is still looking strong and an extremely low risk option @ 8.3% at the moment.
In the first 7 rounds of the 2017 season the Grundylicious man DOES NOT compete against:
Gawn, Goldy, Stefan Martin, Sandy, WCE/Vardy OR Mummy.
Confident he'll get off to a flyer. Grundy also Averages 18 possies a game, higher than any other ruckman.

vs Dogs, Boyd/Campbell
vs Rich, Nank
vs Syd, Tippet
vs Saints, Hickey
vs Dons, Bellchambers
vs Cats, Stanley/Zac smith
vs Blues, Kreuzer

Dont have Witts as he's a spud and will get 40's. Have Taranto F6 who'll average alot more.
What does the rest of your side look like? Mids and/or Defenders must be very weak.

... Thoughts on Grundy R1?
Everyone is going light in defense so no brainer.
My M7 is Beams with Pepper M8 on the ground atm.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 19, 2017, 07:59:36 PM
Im just loving that Grundy is still looking strong and an extremely low risk option @ 8.3% at the moment.
In the first 7 rounds of the 2017 season the Grundylicious man DOES NOT compete against:
Gawn, Goldy, Stefan Martin, Sandy, WCE/Vardy OR Mummy.
Confident he'll get off to a flyer. Grundy also Averages 18 possies a game, higher than any other ruckman.

vs Dogs, Boyd/Campbell
vs Rich, Nank
vs Syd, Tippet
vs Saints, Hickey
vs Dons, Bellchambers
vs Cats, Stanley/Zac smith
vs Blues, Kreuzer

Dont have Witts as he's a spud and will get 40's. Have Taranto F6 who'll average alot more.

If you pick Grundy it doesn't matter when he plays Gawn etc, he will play them eventually. I'd also have a bet that Stefan Martin averages more possessions than Grundy.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: petefisker on March 19, 2017, 08:10:32 PM
Nah Stef is 2nd bud.
Grundy Total 387 disposals, Average 18.4
Stef Martin 335 disposals, Average 16.8
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 19, 2017, 08:17:41 PM
Nah Stef is 2nd bud.
Grundy Total 387 disposals, Average 18.4
Stef Martin 335 disposals, Average 16.8

Stef had a poor year last year, came off averaging 21.6 touches in 2015 & 22.4 in 2014. He was also affected by the knock he received early in the year. If you want sheer weight of possessions then he's your man. Will probably average the same in hit outs.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: petefisker on March 19, 2017, 08:28:25 PM
Nah Stef is 2nd bud.
Grundy Total 387 disposals, Average 18.4
Stef Martin 335 disposals, Average 16.8

Stef had a poor year last year, came off averaging 21.6 touches in 2015 & 22.4 in 2014. He was also affected by the knock he received early in the year. If you want sheer weight of possessions then he's your man. Will probably average the same in hit outs.

Yeh for sure, is the main reason folk are steering clear of Stef at the moment Archie Smith impact and another bloke?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 19, 2017, 08:33:43 PM
Nah Stef is 2nd bud.
Grundy Total 387 disposals, Average 18.4
Stef Martin 335 disposals, Average 16.8

Stef had a poor year last year, came off averaging 21.6 touches in 2015 & 22.4 in 2014. He was also affected by the knock he received early in the year. If you want sheer weight of possessions then he's your man. Will probably average the same in hit outs.

Yeh for sure, is the main reason folk are steering clear of Stef at the moment Archie Smith impact and another bloke?

Archie is the worry but wasn't onfield in JLT 3, I reckon that will be the round 1 prognosis. I think Grundy is the safest to have the ruck to himself but won't have the upside of the others. So it becomes a question risk versus upside, 100 versus 110+.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 19, 2017, 08:36:24 PM
Do like Stef,  kept him all of last year.   Q this year is Fagan and hawks history of ruck management.   Fagan knows , we know, hell everybody knows Stef plays better as solo ruck.,     Just not sure Fagan has left hawks structure behind
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 19, 2017, 08:41:18 PM
Sick to death of this. Still cannot decide what ruck I want to couple with Sandi, and that is stopping me from completing the rest of my time

Goldy, Nank or Witts are the options. Stef a possibility too

Doing my absolute head in!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 19, 2017, 08:45:14 PM
Sick to death of this. Still cannot decide what ruck I want to couple with Sandi, and that is stopping me from completing the rest of my time

Goldy, Nank or Witts are the options. Stef a possibility too

Doing my absolute head in!
Good see you are a normal footyfan and cannot rationalise everything RD.    Can put forward a valid narrative for each of them.  has to come down to probability assessment.  What is the most probable outcome for each scenario.   What is the most probable worst result.  What is the most probable best result.   Then risk manage.      Finally throw it all out the door and go with your gut.    ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 19, 2017, 09:01:27 PM
Sick to death of this. Still cannot decide what ruck I want to couple with Sandi, and that is stopping me from completing the rest of my time

Goldy, Nank or Witts are the options. Stef a possibility too

Doing my absolute head in!
Good see you are a normal footyfan and cannot rationalise everything RD.    Can put forward a valid narrative for each of them.  has to come down to probability assessment.  What is the most probable outcome for each scenario.   What is the most probable worst result.  What is the most probable best result.   Then risk manage.      Finally throw it all out the door and go with your gut.    ;D ;D ;D ;D

That's why Witts is so attractive, he's kind of the wait and see option. With all this confusion I can see that there will be winners and losers in the ruck division. It will be the barometer for success or failure this year. The first guy I picked at the start of the year was Gawn and I haven't changed my view that he will be the best option when things settle down. But I'm also confident he will drop in price if playing with Spencer. If the difference between Gawn & Witts can be reigned in by 250k then that's a big win in my opinion.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Judd Magic on March 19, 2017, 10:02:47 PM
Sick to death of this. Still cannot decide what ruck I want to couple with Sandi, and that is stopping me from completing the rest of my time

Goldy, Nank or Witts are the options. Stef a possibility too

Doing my absolute head in!
Good see you are a normal footyfan and cannot rationalise everything RD.    Can put forward a valid narrative for each of them.  has to come down to probability assessment.  What is the most probable outcome for each scenario.   What is the most probable worst result.  What is the most probable best result.   Then risk manage.      Finally throw it all out the door and go with your gut.    ;D ;D ;D ;D

That's why Witts is so attractive, he's kind of the wait and see option. With all this confusion I can see that there will be winners and losers in the ruck division. It will be the barometer for success or failure this year. The first guy I picked at the start of the year was Gawn and I haven't changed my view that he will be the best option when things settle down. But I'm also confident he will drop in price if playing with Spencer. If the difference between Gawn & Witts can be reigned in by 250k then that's a big win in my opinion.


Yeah no way am I flowering starting Gawn, he's too expensive.

I'll pick him up as an upgrade later for Sandi.

I'm going to go Goldy an Sandi at R1 and R2 and Nank at F4 (spud Freo rookie ruck at R3)

Will consider replacing Goldy with Witts and upgrading my F6 (Taranto) to Ryder so I have both Nank and Ryder up forward should Witts go pear shaped!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 19, 2017, 11:47:57 PM
Sick to death of this. Still cannot decide what ruck I want to couple with Sandi, and that is stopping me from completing the rest of my time

Goldy, Nank or Witts are the options. Stef a possibility too

Doing my absolute head in!
Good see you are a normal footyfan and cannot rationalise everything RD.    Can put forward a valid narrative for each of them.  has to come down to probability assessment.  What is the most probable outcome for each scenario.   What is the most probable worst result.  What is the most probable best result.   Then risk manage.      Finally throw it all out the door and go with your gut.    ;D ;D ;D ;D

That's why Witts is so attractive, he's kind of the wait and see option. With all this confusion I can see that there will be winners and losers in the ruck division. It will be the barometer for success or failure this year. The first guy I picked at the start of the year was Gawn and I haven't changed my view that he will be the best option when things settle down. But I'm also confident he will drop in price if playing with Spencer. If the difference between Gawn & Witts can be reigned in by 250k then that's a big win in my opinion.


Yeah no way am I flowering starting Gawn, he's too expensive.

I'll pick him up as an upgrade later for Sandi.

I'm going to go Goldy an Sandi at R1 and R2 and Nank at F4 (spud Freo rookie ruck at R3)

Will consider replacing Goldy with Witts and upgrading my F6 (Taranto) to Ryder so I have both Nank and Ryder up forward should Witts go pear shaped!
sames as my fallback plan but changed ryder for caddy cause rd9 byes
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: MontyJnr on March 20, 2017, 11:50:08 AM
Sick to death of this. Still cannot decide what ruck I want to couple with Sandi, and that is stopping me from completing the rest of my time

Goldy, Nank or Witts are the options. Stef a possibility too

Doing my absolute head in!

I'm quite relaxed about rucks actually.

The scoring and value potential of Sandi is too much to pass up, so he is a lock. Given the injury risk of Sandi, solo-rucking Nankervis is basically the other part of a 2 package deal with Sandi to provide insurance in case he goes down. So Nank is a lock up Forward with a rookie R/F player at R3 to provide the link.

Then it comes down to Goldy or Witts for the other starting ruck spot, which no-one can really make a definitive decision on until teams are released.

If Preuss is named, I pick Witts.
If Preuss is not named, I pick Goldstein.

I have worked out 2 different teams I'm happy with depending on which ruck I need to go with, so patience for team selection is all that is needed right now :)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 20, 2017, 12:08:46 PM
Sick to death of this. Still cannot decide what ruck I want to couple with Sandi, and that is stopping me from completing the rest of my time

Goldy, Nank or Witts are the options. Stef a possibility too

Doing my absolute head in!

I'm quite relaxed about rucks actually.

The scoring and value potential of Sandi is too much to pass up, so he is a lock. Given the injury risk of Sandi, solo-rucking Nankervis is basically the other part of a 2 package deal with Sandi to provide insurance in case he goes down. So Nank is a lock up Forward with a rookie R/F player at R3 to provide the link.

Then it comes down to Goldy or Witts for the other starting ruck spot, which no-one can really make a definitive decision on until teams are released.

If Preuss is named, I pick Witts.
If Preuss is not named, I pick Goldstein.

I have worked out 2 different teams I'm happy with depending on which ruck I need to go with, so patience for team selection is all that is needed right now :)

Yeah I think I'm sorted in the rucks now too

Nank and Sandi with Ryder at F3

Can completely understand the appeal of Witts and how easy it is to replace him if it doesn't work, but I've decided against it (for now lol)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 20, 2017, 12:11:33 PM
I'm settled with Hickey and Sandilands. Hickey should be the lone ruckman this year.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: LordSneeze on March 20, 2017, 12:27:54 PM
Im taking the option of

Goldy (If pruess not named, Witts if he is)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 20, 2017, 12:30:35 PM
I'm settled with Hickey and Sandilands. Hickey should be the lone ruckman this year.

Don't count Longer being named R1 or worse coming into the team early in the year he has been impressive preseason as well
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 20, 2017, 12:33:05 PM
I'm settled with Hickey and Sandilands. Hickey should be the lone ruckman this year.

Don't count Longer being named R1 or worse coming into the team early in the year he has been impressive preseason as well
Well the Saints rolled with all 3 options in the JLT series and I reckon they played their best when Hickey was sole ruck so I'm pretty confident that he'll be alone in round one and throughout most of the year. Pending form of Hickey and Longer.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 20, 2017, 12:47:38 PM
I'm settled with Hickey and Sandilands. Hickey should be the lone ruckman this year.

Don't count Longer being named R1 or worse coming into the team early in the year he has been impressive preseason as well
Well the Saints rolled with all 3 options in the JLT series and I reckon they played their best when Hickey was sole ruck so I'm pretty confident that he'll be alone in round one and throughout most of the year. Pending form of Hickey and Longer.
The only other player they used for a couple of H/O's is Bruce I was keen on him to after his last game but saw an article maybe on the AFL site or TV can't remember and the coach was praising both of them , think Longer kicked a bag of goals the same week Hickey had a blinder lets see what happens R1
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 20, 2017, 12:52:54 PM
I'm settled with Hickey and Sandilands. Hickey should be the lone ruckman this year.

Don't count Longer being named R1 or worse coming into the team early in the year he has been impressive preseason as well
Well the Saints rolled with all 3 options in the JLT series and I reckon they played their best when Hickey was sole ruck so I'm pretty confident that he'll be alone in round one and throughout most of the year. Pending form of Hickey and Longer.
The only other player they used for a couple of H/O's is Bruce I was keen on him to after his last game but saw an article maybe on the AFL site or TV can't remember and the coach was praising both of them , think Longer kicked a bag of goals the same week Hickey had a blinder lets see what happens R1
Longer didn't play when Hickey dominated.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 20, 2017, 12:57:28 PM
I'm settled with Hickey and Sandilands. Hickey should be the lone ruckman this year.

Don't count Longer being named R1 or worse coming into the team early in the year he has been impressive preseason as well
Well the Saints rolled with all 3 options in the JLT series and I reckon they played their best when Hickey was sole ruck so I'm pretty confident that he'll be alone in round one and throughout most of the year. Pending form of Hickey and Longer.
The only other player they used for a couple of H/O's is Bruce I was keen on him to after his last game but saw an article maybe on the AFL site or TV can't remember and the coach was praising both of them , think Longer kicked a bag of goals the same week Hickey had a blinder lets see what happens R1
Longer didn't play when Hickey dominated.
Longer did not play in the game with Hickey must of been in the 2's
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on March 20, 2017, 04:43:18 PM
McKernan upgraded. Jump on now before it's too late!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: elephants on March 20, 2017, 04:54:18 PM
McKernan upgraded. Jump on now before it's too late!

If only he was a ruckman, I'd be all over him like shower on Fremantle
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Samsturmfels on March 20, 2017, 04:58:29 PM
Even if he was a ruckman I wouldnt go near him
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 20, 2017, 05:44:24 PM
Im taking the option of

Goldy (If pruess not named, Witts if he is)

Preuss won't be named. Lock in goldy? I still. It sure. Goldy will go 120+ this week
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: enzedder on March 20, 2017, 05:52:18 PM
As a Saints fan I think Hickey will be#1 ruck based on last year and strong pre season. Don't think Longer will play in the same22 unless match ups deem it logical. That being said, Longer has had a good pre season and was #1 in 2015. If Hickey's form slips Longer will get his chance. As such Saints rucks are best avoided.
Rucks are easy this year. No worries, no stress. 8)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: jvalles69 on March 20, 2017, 06:05:58 PM
Team looks better turning Ryder into Goldy...
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on March 20, 2017, 08:25:27 PM
McKernan upgraded. Jump on now before it's too late!

If only he was a ruckman, I'd be all over him like shower on Fremantle

He doesn't have ruck status? Baffling! Did not know that.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on March 20, 2017, 08:28:22 PM
Nank is priced at 68 right? So if picking him you'd expect him to be a top 6 forward, correct? As a ruck he won't be a top guy, and as a cow he won't make as much coin as you could with a different option unless he goes 100+

Witts on the other hand should make plenty of dollah to justify selection. Might go with him and Kreuzer.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on March 20, 2017, 08:44:09 PM
Vardy priced at 49 should rise in price by 30+

Witts priced at 40 could, should, will make that 30+ rise.

Sandi priced at 57 would make 30+ if he wasn't going to get injured in the 2nd quarter of round 3.

English has to average just 54 to make my baseline amount.

Nank to average 98? Big ask! Possible, yes. Probable, ich don't think so.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: tommy10 on March 20, 2017, 08:57:16 PM
'Assuming' that Preuss is playing, would you have Nank and Sandi as R1 & R2 with Witts as R3? Then you won't need a Fwd/ruck option, and can go heavy in the Fwds. Anyone thinking this? You still have Witts and he will generate cash.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on March 20, 2017, 09:07:39 PM
Too expensive to be sitting on the bench IMO. Why not just go Preuss in that case? Can score like crap and still make the same amount of money.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: elephants on March 21, 2017, 01:47:27 AM
McKernan upgraded. Jump on now before it's too late!

If only he was a ruckman, I'd be all over him like shower on Fremantle

He doesn't have ruck status? Baffling! Did not know that.

I know, its a disgrace. Penning an enraged letter to the AFL as I type.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: juzztheball on March 21, 2017, 08:02:51 AM
I don't have the time to scroll through 45 pages of comments, but whats the jury out on the Sandi/Witts R1 R2 combo? Have Nank forward to cover if Witts is shower...
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: LordSneeze on March 21, 2017, 09:14:46 AM
I don't have the time to scroll through 45 pages of comments, but whats the jury out on the Sandi/Witts R1 R2 combo? Have Nank forward to cover if Witts is shower...

Its one of the options that people are considering (Currently my setup), but I have a backup to switch Witts to Goldy if Preuss is not named and rookies are available.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on March 21, 2017, 09:42:14 AM
Vardy/Witts at R2/3 is pretty cheap. Don't need Nank then and there's still plenty of cash for Todd.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: MontyJnr on March 21, 2017, 09:50:19 AM
Vardy/Witts at R2/3 is pretty cheap. Don't need Nank then and there's still plenty of cash for Todd.

Where does Sandi fit in? It's essential everyone starts with him IMO, regardless of injury risk.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 21, 2017, 10:00:33 AM
Cannot recall a year of wasting more time and doing my head in over rucks than this year!

Over it

Don't love Goldy and Gawn and don't love Ryder either.

Nank and Sandi with no cover. Well Darcy Cameron at F7
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: tommy10 on March 21, 2017, 10:02:34 AM
Vardy/Witts at R2/3 is pretty cheap. Don't need Nank then and there's still plenty of cash for Todd.

Where does Sandi fit in? It's essential everyone starts with him IMO, regardless of injury risk.
Agree.

If Cameron is playing he's my backup for Sandi. I know what everyone is saying about Witts but don't trust him. Will wait for teams to finalise rucks.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: tommy10 on March 21, 2017, 04:07:43 PM
Too expensive to be sitting on the bench IMO. Why not just go Preuss in that case? Can score like crap and still make the same amount of money.
I agree if it was Gawn/Goldy but if choosing Nank and Sandi, you can still have a solid back up in Witts and still stock up in Fwds or elsewhere.Time will tell which is the best option, but it's out of Nank, Grundy, and Stef. Unless offcourse if Preuss and Spencer are not named in which case we'll all have to reassess. Can't believe how much this is flowering driving me nuts  >:(
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Huttabito on March 21, 2017, 04:14:57 PM
I think I am so sold on my structure elsewhere I will find it incredibly hard to be bringing Goldy or Gawn into my side. Would create a massive overhaul to get the lines looking right.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Rusty00 on March 21, 2017, 04:23:49 PM
I think I am so sold on my structure elsewhere I will find it incredibly hard to be bringing Goldy or Gawn into my side. Would create a massive overhaul to get the lines looking right.
Same. I've been trying so hard to get Goldy into my team the last 2 days and the only way I can is to compromise something else that I don't want to. I'm really happy with the team I have without Goldy, except for the fact I don't have Goldy :-\
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 21, 2017, 05:04:00 PM
Edit : Cameron out. 

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Huttabito on March 21, 2017, 05:32:21 PM
Edit : Cameron out.
Infected finger! I wonder if he was playing with his dog and it got bit?

Well that puts a pickle in plans.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 21, 2017, 05:45:29 PM
Edit : Cameron out.
Infected finger! I wonder if he was playing with his dog and it got bit?

Well that puts a pickle in plans.

Think I'm just going to pick Butler to ensure I get a forward loop. Round 1,2,3 covered. Round 4, 5, 6 Eddy can be looped with Nank being the swingman. If Butler is dropped I may even bring in Cameron once he's fit, certainly not the worst scenario.

The case for Witts couldn't be stronger, two bites of the cherry for 6 rounds. Solo ruck duties. A 76 average against his upcoming opponents. Right age for a maturing ruck. Mass confusion in the ruck division generally. An easy correction trade if worst comes to worst. Those picking WHE & Taranto are not playing the odds on my opinion, but enough said of that. Time to lock em in.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Huttabito on March 21, 2017, 05:50:37 PM
Edit : Cameron out.
Infected finger! I wonder if he was playing with his dog and it got bit?

Well that puts a pickle in plans.

Think I'm just going to pick Butler to ensure I get a forward loop. Round 1,2,3 covered. Round 4, 5, 6 Eddy can be looped with Nank being the swingman. If Butler is dropped I may even bring in Cameron once he's fit, certainly not the worst scenario.

The case for Witts couldn't be stronger, two bites of the cherry for 6 rounds. Solo ruck duties. A 76 average against his upcoming opponents. Right age for a maturing ruck. Mass confusion in the ruck division generally. An easy correction trade if worst comes to worst. Those picking WHE & Taranto are not playing the odds on my opinion, but enough said of that. Time to lock em in.
Couldn't agree more, but you forgot the 76 average was sharing it with Grundy half the time ;) Witts is locked for mine.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: MontyJnr on March 21, 2017, 06:16:11 PM
Edit : Cameron out.
Infected finger! I wonder if he was playing with his dog and it got bit?

Well that puts a pickle in plans.

Think I'm just going to pick Butler to ensure I get a forward loop. Round 1,2,3 covered. Round 4, 5, 6 Eddy can be looped with Nank being the swingman. If Butler is dropped I may even bring in Cameron once he's fit, certainly not the worst scenario.

The case for Witts couldn't be stronger, two bites of the cherry for 6 rounds. Solo ruck duties. A 76 average against his upcoming opponents. Right age for a maturing ruck. Mass confusion in the ruck division generally. An easy correction trade if worst comes to worst. Those picking WHE & Taranto are not playing the odds on my opinion, but enough said of that. Time to lock em in.

The closer we get to Round 1, the more the Goldstein/Preuss combination is looking like a pre-season experiment.

Goldstein has got premium midfielder numbers playing majority sole ruck the past 2 seasons (128 avg in 2015, 108 avg in 2016). Can you afford to miss out on that if you go with Witts instead?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: TomK on March 21, 2017, 06:21:46 PM
Edit : Cameron out.
Oh for flower sake, just as I was happy with my team. Was gonna loophole him and Butler at F6 with Strnadica.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: quinny88 on March 21, 2017, 06:34:54 PM
Edit : Cameron out.
Infected finger! I wonder if he was playing with his dog and it got bit?

Well that puts a pickle in plans.

Think I'm just going to pick Butler to ensure I get a forward loop. Round 1,2,3 covered. Round 4, 5, 6 Eddy can be looped with Nank being the swingman. If Butler is dropped I may even bring in Cameron once he's fit, certainly not the worst scenario.

The case for Witts couldn't be stronger, two bites of the cherry for 6 rounds. Solo ruck duties. A 76 average against his upcoming opponents. Right age for a maturing ruck. Mass confusion in the ruck division generally. An easy correction trade if worst comes to worst. Those picking WHE & Taranto are not playing the odds on my opinion, but enough said of that. Time to lock em in.

The closer we get to Round 1, the more the Goldstein/Preuss combination is looking like a pre-season experiment.

Goldstein has got premium midfielder numbers playing majority sole ruck the past 2 seasons (128 avg in 2015, 108 avg in 2016). Can you afford to miss out on that if you go with Witts instead?

The 108 is only due to injury too. I have no doubt he will be back to 115+ if rucking alone and is a lock in my side unless named with Preuss.

I'm also thinking that Gawn will be named alone. Watching 'the couch' last night and they had Nathan Jones on and questioned a few times if they could afford to go that tall if they included Spencer. Jones even said that they had to have the right balance to be able to put on enough forward pressure so I just don't see it happening
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 21, 2017, 06:39:52 PM
Edit : Cameron out.
Infected finger! I wonder if he was playing with his dog and it got bit?

Well that puts a pickle in plans.

Think I'm just going to pick Butler to ensure I get a forward loop. Round 1,2,3 covered. Round 4, 5, 6 Eddy can be looped with Nank being the swingman. If Butler is dropped I may even bring in Cameron once he's fit, certainly not the worst scenario.

The case for Witts couldn't be stronger, two bites of the cherry for 6 rounds. Solo ruck duties. A 76 average against his upcoming opponents. Right age for a maturing ruck. Mass confusion in the ruck division generally. An easy correction trade if worst comes to worst. Those picking WHE & Taranto are not playing the odds on my opinion, but enough said of that. Time to lock em in.

The closer we get to Round 1, the more the Goldstein/Preuss combination is looking like a pre-season experiment.

Goldstein has got premium midfielder numbers playing majority sole ruck the past 2 seasons (128 avg in 2015, 108 avg in 2016). Can you afford to miss out on that if you go with Witts instead?

I've detailed my reasoning prior but here's a brief summary.

* Goldy has a degenerative knee condition which opens the door to being managed. His numbers with Daw in the team also sees his average drop to 99.

* Goldy's averages in losses are 109 in 2015 and 98 in 2016. North have a horror run early with 6 finalists in the first 8 rounds and Goldy has a meeting with Sandi in round 5 (an opponent who reduced him to a score of 44 in 2015)

* North are rebuilding so expect some experimentation if finals are off the board.

* North have lost Dal Santo, Wells, Harvey & will be without Cunnington in round 1.

* Preuss will get games this year, particularly with Petrie out of the side.

* Goldy was a distant second to Gawn last year so if we are to assume Sandi is a keeper then we can only choose one other ruckman.

* By playing a rookie at R2 one can capitalise on any price drops with the premo rucks (and they will go down at some stage)

* The difference between Witts and Goldy is 370k, that money could be used to bring in two potential forward keepers (eg. Higgins & Ryder) thus saving a trade if all goes to plan.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: EazyMoney on March 21, 2017, 07:50:19 PM
Edit : Cameron out.
Infected finger! I wonder if he was playing with his dog and it got bit?

Well that puts a pickle in plans.

Think I'm just going to pick Butler to ensure I get a forward loop. Round 1,2,3 covered. Round 4, 5, 6 Eddy can be looped with Nank being the swingman. If Butler is dropped I may even bring in Cameron once he's fit, certainly not the worst scenario.

The case for Witts couldn't be stronger, two bites of the cherry for 6 rounds. Solo ruck duties. A 76 average against his upcoming opponents. Right age for a maturing ruck. Mass confusion in the ruck division generally. An easy correction trade if worst comes to worst. Those picking WHE & Taranto are not playing the odds on my opinion, but enough said of that. Time to lock em in.

The closer we get to Round 1, the more the Goldstein/Preuss combination is looking like a pre-season experiment.

Goldstein has got premium midfielder numbers playing majority sole ruck the past 2 seasons (128 avg in 2015, 108 avg in 2016). Can you afford to miss out on that if you go with Witts instead?

I've detailed my reasoning prior but here's a brief summary.

* Goldy has a degenerative knee condition which opens the door to being managed. His numbers with Daw in the team also sees his average drop to 99.

* Goldy's averages in losses are 109 in 2015 and 98 in 2016. North have a horror run early with 6 finalists in the first 8 rounds and Goldy has a meeting with Sandi in round 5 (an opponent who reduced him to a score of 44 in 2015)

* North are rebuilding so expect some experimentation if finals are off the board.

* North have lost Dal Santo, Wells, Harvey & will be without Cunnington in round 1.

* Preuss will get games this year, particularly with Petrie out of the side.

* Goldy was a distant second to Gawn last year so if we are to assume Sandi is a keeper then we can only choose one other ruckman.

* By playing a rookie at R2 one can capitalise on any price drops with the premo rucks (and they will go down at some stage)

* The difference between Witts and Goldy is 370k, that money could be used to bring in two potential forward keepers (eg. Higgins & Ryder) thus saving a trade if all goes to plan.

You've fully persuaded me into getting Witts. Now I have gone Goldy + Butler -> Macrae + Witts.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: bowyanger on March 21, 2017, 08:42:47 PM
Ryder and Higgins as fwd keepers

I know SC is about luck but this is just taking the piss to suggest such bafoonery
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 21, 2017, 08:44:51 PM
Ryder and Higgins as fwd keepers

I know SC is about luck but this is just taking the piss and insulting to most others that have been around here for a while to suggest such bafoonery

So list your top 6 forwards and let's talk.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: bowyanger on March 21, 2017, 08:52:34 PM
Hmm...probably not relevant for this thread...buuuuttt....well before Ryder (Mr go missing - Ive ridden that train before) and Missy I would put a few players in the "value for money - keepers bracket"  far above them....and  not limited to:

Roughnuts
Macrea
Dahl
Billings
Acres
Petracca
TMiller
Greene
JKennedy
Lynch
DSmith
ISmith
Weller
Wingard
JMartin
Jong
Nank

Then I would start looking at Missy n Ryder...

But hey...that's just my opinion...Missy and Ryder are on my never again list
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 21, 2017, 08:52:34 PM
I can't see how Preuss plays, considering Currie did just as well in previous NAB cups and still couldn't get in

For me, it's just whether or not Goldy can continue going 108+

Besides those two monster 170+ games last year, most of his scores weren't amazing. Solid no doubt, but nothing amazing

I don't think I can see much merit in having both Ryder and Nank in the fwd, so I'm going with Nank and the 50k. As for who supports Sandi it's between Witts and Goldy, and because I actually just don't know who the best rucks will be this year I'm leaning towards Witts for now, allowing me to bolster other lines and see which rucks rise to the top
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Torpedo10 on March 21, 2017, 08:53:11 PM
Ryder and Higgins as fwd keepers

I know SC is about luck but this is just taking the piss and insulting to most others that have been around here for a while to suggest such bafoonery

So list your top 6 forwards and let's talk.
Dahl, Macrae, JJK, Gunston, Lynch (GC), Caddy, Greene, Buddy.

Touk, Heeney and Wingard could all be smokies. I don't see Ryder or Higgins going 90+ for 20+ games this season. I'd love them to though because it'd bring some spice into upgrading to them mid season. Ryder could explode, but right now it's unlikely and I'd never trust Higgins' body.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: MontyJnr on March 21, 2017, 09:01:20 PM
Edit : Cameron out.
Infected finger! I wonder if he was playing with his dog and it got bit?

Well that puts a pickle in plans.

Think I'm just going to pick Butler to ensure I get a forward loop. Round 1,2,3 covered. Round 4, 5, 6 Eddy can be looped with Nank being the swingman. If Butler is dropped I may even bring in Cameron once he's fit, certainly not the worst scenario.

The case for Witts couldn't be stronger, two bites of the cherry for 6 rounds. Solo ruck duties. A 76 average against his upcoming opponents. Right age for a maturing ruck. Mass confusion in the ruck division generally. An easy correction trade if worst comes to worst. Those picking WHE & Taranto are not playing the odds on my opinion, but enough said of that. Time to lock em in.

The closer we get to Round 1, the more the Goldstein/Preuss combination is looking like a pre-season experiment.

Goldstein has got premium midfielder numbers playing majority sole ruck the past 2 seasons (128 avg in 2015, 108 avg in 2016). Can you afford to miss out on that if you go with Witts instead?

I've detailed my reasoning prior but here's a brief summary.

* Goldy has a degenerative knee condition which opens the door to being managed. His numbers with Daw in the team also sees his average drop to 99.

* Goldy's averages in losses are 109 in 2015 and 98 in 2016. North have a horror run early with 6 finalists in the first 8 rounds and Goldy has a meeting with Sandi in round 5 (an opponent who reduced him to a score of 44 in 2015)

* North are rebuilding so expect some experimentation if finals are off the board.

* North have lost Dal Santo, Wells, Harvey & will be without Cunnington in round 1.

* Preuss will get games this year, particularly with Petrie out of the side.

* Goldy was a distant second to Gawn last year so if we are to assume Sandi is a keeper then we can only choose one other ruckman.

* By playing a rookie at R2 one can capitalise on any price drops with the premo rucks (and they will go down at some stage)

* The difference between Witts and Goldy is 370k, that money could be used to bring in two potential forward keepers (eg. Higgins & Ryder) thus saving a trade if all goes to plan.

You make some good points however the solid inside mid brigade at North remains largely unchanged from 2015/2016 with Cunnington, Ziebell & Swallow remaining in key roles. Dumont has also emerged as another decent inside mid there.

Will the loss of outside types like Harvey, Wells & Dal Santo really have much impact on Goldstein's "Hitout to Advantage" numbers? Harvey played off a flank in the twilight years of his career, Dal Santo was pretty useless in 2016 and your boy Higgins is being groomed to replace Wells in a key midfield role anyway.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 21, 2017, 09:02:32 PM
Hmm...well before Ryder (Mr go missing - Ive ridden that train before) and Missy I would put a few players in the "value for money - keepers bracket"  far above them....and  not limited to:

Roughnuts
Macrea
Dahl
Billings
Acres
Miller
Petracca
TMiller
Greene
JKennedy
Lynch
DSmith
ISmith
Weller
Wingard
JMartin
Jong

Then I would start looking at Missy n Ryder...

But hey...that's just my opinion

Now you're just being ridiculous, I'm after a list of players you genuinely believe will average 90+.

Ryder's last five years - 90, 105, 90, 101, 85

Ryder's first year at Port was playing as a forward in a weak team. Lobbe was the number one ruck who has now fallen out of favour. Ryder's has shown a capability to be a 90+ when given decent ruck time, this year he has it.

Higgins is in a slightly different category, his first year at the Kangas produced a 95 average but was injured for most of 2016. He's now a full time midfielder and his JLT scores were super impressive. Fitness is the worry but if he can put on 100k then a sideways move should be fairly easy. I'm predicting another 90+ season at a minimum.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Mat0369 on March 21, 2017, 09:13:00 PM
I can't see how Preuss plays, considering Currie did just as well in previous NAB cups and still couldn't get in

For me, it's just whether or not Goldy can continue going 108+

Besides those two monster 170+ games last year, most of his scores weren't amazing. Solid no doubt, but nothing amazing

I don't think I can see much merit in having both Ryder and Nank in the fwd, so I'm going with Nank and the 50k. As for who supports Sandi it's between Witts and Goldy, and because I actually just don't know who the best rucks will be this year I'm leaning towards Witts for now, allowing me to bolster other lines and see which rucks rise to the top

I'm going to go through this thread with a bunch of responses, but I figured I would start here. You can't discount a player because he had 2 monster scores to boost his average. In fact, that should be more of a reason to pick him since he has such a huge ceiling and he provides a VC loop hole option. Lets not forget that one of those massive 170 scores was against last years best ruck in the game Max Gawn.

This isn't just in regards to Goldy, I see it with a bunch of players. The only time you can ignore a players score is if he is injured early in the game and doesn't have a fair run at it now that the vest is gone.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: bowyanger on March 21, 2017, 09:21:04 PM
Hmm...well before Ryder (Mr go missing - Ive ridden that train before) and Missy I would put a few players in the "value for money - keepers bracket"  far above them....and  not limited to:

Roughnuts
Macrea
Dahl
Billings
Acres
Miller
Petracca
TMiller
Greene
JKennedy
Lynch
DSmith
ISmith
Weller
Wingard
JMartin
Jong

Then I would start looking at Missy n Ryder...

But hey...that's just my opinion

Now you're just being ridiculous, I'm after a list of players you genuinely believe will average 90+.

Ryder's last five years - 90, 105, 90, 101, 85

Ryder's first year at Port was playing as a forward in a weak team. Lobbe was the number one ruck who has now fallen out of favour. Ryder's has shown a capability to be a 90+ when given decent ruck time, this year he has it.

Higgins is in a slightly different category, his first year at the Kangas produced a 95 average but was injured for most of 2016. He's now a full time midfielder and his JLT scores were super impressive. Fitness is the worry but if he can put on 100k then a sideways move should be fairly easy. I'm predicting another 90+ season at a minimum.
You asked and I put my opinion forward to who I think keepers are going to be above Ryder and Missy

There was no mention I saw of 90+

I wasn't being ridiculous at all IMO.....and if I was you started it by mentioning them!

But hey...the game is all about risk and you sure are putting your boonyards out there...good luck mate
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 21, 2017, 09:22:29 PM
Ryder and Higgins as fwd keepers

I know SC is about luck but this is just taking the piss and insulting to most others that have been around here for a while to suggest such bafoonery

So list your top 6 forwards and let's talk.
Dahl, Macrae, JJK, Gunston, Lynch (GC), Caddy, Greene, Buddy.

Touk, Heeney and Wingard could all be smokies. I don't see Ryder or Higgins going 90+ for 20+ games this season. I'd love them to though because it'd bring some spice into upgrading to them mid season. Ryder could explode, but right now it's unlikely and I'd never trust Higgins' body.

These are all good chances for 90+ but I don't see a massive difference between Ryder & Higgins apart from $$.

Dahl & Macrae yes, I have them.

JJK is a roller coaster. Last 4 years have been 90, 79, 92, 97. So you're looking at an absolute best case scenrio with a floor below Ryder. I also try to avoid picking KP types as they can drop considerably throughout the year. Will West Coast be able to give him the same service without a ruckman? Don't know but I can see a drop off.

Gunston is a reasonable pick but with limited upside. Last 4 years have been 83, 90, 96, 92. I think he's safe for 90+ but don't believe his ceiling justifies the outlay.

Lynch is a potential breakout candidate but has a round 9 bye and still only has one year of 90+ scoring. He may well take that to the next level but I'd prefer to wait and see.

Caddy has been around for a long time now and is yet to become a premo. I'm a Richmond supporter and I'd love to see a 100 average but 93 is his best year and there's no guarantee he'll be in the middle as much as people are suggesting. I think you'll find he still rotates through the forward line. I think we can afford to do this with Prestia also in the team.

Greene won an AA guernsey but still only managed to average 90. If his role remains as a permanent forward it's hard to imagine he'll pile on another 5-10 points for doing the same sort of thing.

Buddy is a rollercoaster and the type of guy you bring in after he has a shocker. Good pick, likely to average 90+ but a player who should bottom out to around 420k at some stage.

So basically there's uncertainty everywhere that's why I'm prepared to have a punt on Ryder & Higgins. Rucks & full time mids have always been my preferred options in the forward line.

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 21, 2017, 09:25:33 PM
Hmm...well before Ryder (Mr go missing - Ive ridden that train before) and Missy I would put a few players in the "value for money - keepers bracket"  far above them....and  not limited to:

Roughnuts
Macrea
Dahl
Billings
Acres
Miller
Petracca
TMiller
Greene
JKennedy
Lynch
DSmith
ISmith
Weller
Wingard
JMartin
Jong

Then I would start looking at Missy n Ryder...

But hey...that's just my opinion

Now you're just being ridiculous, I'm after a list of players you genuinely believe will average 90+.

Ryder's last five years - 90, 105, 90, 101, 85

Ryder's first year at Port was playing as a forward in a weak team. Lobbe was the number one ruck who has now fallen out of favour. Ryder's has shown a capability to be a 90+ when given decent ruck time, this year he has it.

Higgins is in a slightly different category, his first year at the Kangas produced a 95 average but was injured for most of 2016. He's now a full time midfielder and his JLT scores were super impressive. Fitness is the worry but if he can put on 100k then a sideways move should be fairly easy. I'm predicting another 90+ season at a minimum.
You asked and I put my opinion forward to who I think is going to give you a better return than Missy and Ryder
I can see all them having a better chance at getting to 90+ PPG than Missy or Ryder

I wasn't being ridiculous at all IMO.....and if I was you started it!

I'm after reasoned analysis not a long list of names. My question to you was who will be the top 6 forwards?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Gigantor on March 21, 2017, 09:39:48 PM
You make some good points however the solid inside mid brigade at North remains largely unchanged from 2015/2016 with Cunnington, Ziebell & Swallow remaining in key roles. Dumont has also emerged as another decent inside mid there.

Will the loss of outside types like Harvey, Wells & Dal Santo really have much impact on Goldstein's "Hitout to Advantage" numbers? Harvey played off a flank in the twilight years of his career, Dal Santo was pretty useless in 2016 and your boy Higgins is being groomed to replace Wells in a key midfield role anyway.

My understanding is a HOTA is a hit out that leads to an effective disposal. So for example in round one if Goldy hits its to Ziebell or Swallow but they have no outside options to go to so they turn it over to Gaff or Shuey or get nailed by Priddis then Goldy gets nothing.

So yeah losing quality outside linking players could have a negative effect on Goldy's scoring
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Mat0369 on March 21, 2017, 09:53:53 PM
Yep, it all makes sense to me

@Mat, I'm curious to know, if you have Witts at R3 and as you say "don't need Nank or Ryder for cover" then what does your forward line actually look like without them?

You must be relying on a lot of dubious rookies on field

I have gone two guys I consider top 8 (Dahl and Macrae), one mid price option in Roughy and then filled it out with rookies. I currently have Hoskin-Elliott, Taranto and Turner on field.

Taranto is built for SC. He is in a strong team which is a positive and a negative. It's bad because he has pressure for his spot, but it also means he won't get the attention he would in a lesser team. He averaged 148 points in the TAC last year so he is perfectly suited to the game. I'd take a 70 and be pretty happy with that.

Looking at Hoskin-Elliott and his scores, when he had an unimpeded run in 2014 he averaged 74 points per game unvested. If he can average 70 I'd be more then happy at his price.

Turner has had a lot of vests in his career so far but he played really well in the pre-season and he can score alright. He will score 40 one week and 90 the next. Split the difference and that's a 65.

If I was to not start one guy it would be Roughy, I'd either look to upgrade him to another premium forward or maybe a mid price option that looks like they will see a lot of midfield time. Brayshaw and Steele are two that fit the criteria.

A lot of the guys loading up with Nank/Roughy at F6 are thinking short game. It might generate you a bunch of points early but you aren't likely to trade those guys out at all this year and you are likely to lose points if they aren't good enough. By starting rookies at F3-F6 it allows you to judge who the guys are that will perform and bring them in. I also don't want to hamstring myself if a few decent rookies pop up in the forward line later in the year, you want to be able to downgrade to these guys to generate cash.

I'm valuing the cash generation over the first 8 weeks of the season to the extra 10 points a week maybe.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Mat0369 on March 21, 2017, 10:04:21 PM
See the problem you face is that Goldy may well average 105 but is still 15 short of the next best ruckman. You are making a big bet on a guy with a degenerative knee who will be playing for a team likely to be 0-5 at the start of the year. Then there's the Daw /Preuss factor to consider. The fact of the matter is Goldy's scores suffer both in losses & with Daw - it's the double whammy and you are betting against history. Goldy faces 6 finalists in the first 8 rounds and Sandi, a player he scored 44 against 2 season's ago. To suggest he'll average 120 is being overly optimistic, I reckon you'll get 105 at best (even in 2015 Goldy only averaged 109 in losses).

So the risk is just as much in your court as it is mine, but at least I can confidently say I'll have the top scoring ruck in my side by season's end.

109 in losses is still 10 points better then the 2nd best ruck last year. He will destroy WC for 140+ in round 1, make him VC/C and you're already ahead. I'm 99% sure Goldy will be top 3 by the years end. I'll bank on that. I can always turn Sandi into the next best ruck come the bye weeks.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 21, 2017, 10:13:08 PM
See the problem you face is that Goldy may well average 105 but is still 15 short of the next best ruckman. You are making a big bet on a guy with a degenerative knee who will be playing for a team likely to be 0-5 at the start of the year. Then there's the Daw /Preuss factor to consider. The fact of the matter is Goldy's scores suffer both in losses & with Daw - it's the double whammy and you are betting against history. Goldy faces 6 finalists in the first 8 rounds and Sandi, a player he scored 44 against 2 season's ago. To suggest he'll average 120 is being overly optimistic, I reckon you'll get 105 at best (even in 2015 Goldy only averaged 109 in losses).

So the risk is just as much in your court as it is mine, but at least I can confidently say I'll have the top scoring ruck in my side by season's end.

109 in losses is still 10 points better then the 2nd best ruck last year. He will destroy WC for 140+ in round 1, make him VC/C and you're already ahead. I'm 99% sure Goldy will be top 3 by the years end. I'll bank on that. I can always turn Sandi into the next best ruck come the bye weeks.

That was 109 in his best year to date, can't see him replicating that form. He'll do well against WC but 140+ is still a bit of an ask against a vastly superior midfield. No Cunnington either.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Mat0369 on March 21, 2017, 10:28:39 PM
That was 109 in his best year to date, can't see him replicating that form. He'll do well against WC but 140+ is still a bit of an ask against a vastly superior midfield. No Cunnington either.

Trent Dumont will step in. He has looked really good this pre-season, he is one that has really impressed me for North. They still have all their inside mids and I expect Ziebell to step up being named captain. North are one team that have always been difficult to get a gauge on. When they have looked terrible they have finished top 4, when we thought they would be good they didn't make the 8. The biggest loss for them is Wells. His ball use inside 50 will hurt but this is where the young guys need to step up. Jy Simpkin, Trent Dumont, Hrovat, Clarke, Atley and Macmillan will need to step up.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: GoLions on March 22, 2017, 12:07:33 AM
Hmm...well before Ryder (Mr go missing - Ive ridden that train before) and Missy I would put a few players in the "value for money - keepers bracket"  far above them....and  not limited to:

Roughnuts
Macrea
Dahl
Billings
Acres
Miller
Petracca
TMiller
Greene
JKennedy
Lynch
DSmith
ISmith
Weller
Wingard
JMartin
Jong

Then I would start looking at Missy n Ryder...

But hey...that's just my opinion

Now you're just being ridiculous, I'm after a list of players you genuinely believe will average 90+.

Ryder's last five years - 90, 105, 90, 101, 85

Ryder's first year at Port was playing as a forward in a weak team. Lobbe was the number one ruck who has now fallen out of favour. Ryder's has shown a capability to be a 90+ when given decent ruck time, this year he has it.

Higgins is in a slightly different category, his first year at the Kangas produced a 95 average but was injured for most of 2016. He's now a full time midfielder and his JLT scores were super impressive. Fitness is the worry but if he can put on 100k then a sideways move should be fairly easy. I'm predicting another 90+ season at a minimum.
You asked and I put my opinion forward to who I think is going to give you a better return than Missy and Ryder
I can see all them having a better chance at getting to 90+ PPG than Missy or Ryder

I wasn't being ridiculous at all IMO.....and if I was you started it!

I'm after reasoned analysis not a long list of names. My question to you was who will be the top 6 forwards?
Ahaha what a list. I'd have Higgins at about 5 or 6 there :P
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on March 22, 2017, 01:00:46 AM
It'll take multiple trades to bring the top rucks in. One up, one down won't net you enough cash to get Goldy when he's averaging 120.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 22, 2017, 08:57:47 AM
It'll take multiple trades to bring the top rucks in. One up, one down won't net you enough cash to get Goldy when he's averaging 120.

When you've got mid pricers like Nank, Sandi  JOM, Swallow, Steele etc it won't be that hard
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 22, 2017, 09:16:34 AM
It'll take multiple trades to bring the top rucks in. One up, one down won't net you enough cash to get Goldy when he's averaging 120.

what I have learnt is that meow and i basically disagree on everything. On the rare occasion where we agree ill take that to the bank.

If you dont have faith in Goldy dont pick him, but good luck trying to get him or gawn in. Everyone says it will be easy to bring him in but you will have over issues to deal with there is a reason its called set and forget it lets you concentrate your trades on other areas of the ground.

Just by sheer numbers there will always be a cheap mid, forward, def premo pickup if they have a shocking game or pick up a small injury. Realistically in the rucks you have Gawn Goldy and maybe Grundy as your upgrade targets so its less likely you will pick the perfect time to get them in.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Woppa15 on March 22, 2017, 10:28:23 AM
Vardy/Witts at R2/3 is pretty cheap. Don't need Nank then and there's still plenty of cash for Todd.

Where does Sandi fit in? It's essential everyone starts with him IMO, regardless of injury risk.

Started with R1 Gawn R2 Goldy which became Gawn Sandi, which became Goldy Sandi.

Waiting to assess Gawn/Spencer. I think Goldy is undervalued and I believe Sandi will play 18+ games minimum and can't possibly go passed him now that third man up is illegal.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 22, 2017, 01:28:12 PM
So if Spencer and Preuss both not named then what do people do if they currently have neither?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Spite on March 22, 2017, 01:30:32 PM
So if Spencer and Preuss both not named then what do people do if they currently have neither?

Panic.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: LordSneeze on March 22, 2017, 01:32:14 PM
So if Spencer and Preuss both not named then what do people do if they currently have neither?

Ive decided to back in Sandi and Witts with Nank as cover, no matter what happens. I have a feeling that one of Gawn & Goldy won't be top 2, but I don't know who.

Witts allows me to run Selwood (who im confident will be top 10) in the Mids and im more confident with Witts scoring potential than any Fwd or Mid rookie.

If need be I can trade witts to a Fwd rookie and put Nank in Rucks until I upgrade.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 22, 2017, 01:38:02 PM
Ok I have converted back to sandi and goldy.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: _wato on March 22, 2017, 01:41:32 PM
Ok I have converted back to sandi and goldy.

Hope you don't regret.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ricochet on March 22, 2017, 01:44:32 PM
Ive decided to back in Sandi and Witts with Nank as cover, no matter what happens.
A lot will do the same. Gives ppl a good chance to let the dust settle a bit and pick up the top 2 rucks
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 22, 2017, 02:14:18 PM
Ok I have converted back to sandi and goldy.

Hope you don't regret.
Witts the bench
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 22, 2017, 02:29:41 PM
Ive decided to back in Sandi and Witts with Nank as cover, no matter what happens.
A lot will do the same. Gives ppl a good chance to let the dust settle a bit and pick up the top 2 rucks

Yep, top 2 rucks are up in the open this year. Could be Gawn & Goldy but could also be Martin, Hickey or Grundy. History tells you the rucks are the hardest to predict.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: AaronKirk on March 22, 2017, 02:49:28 PM
Currently sitting with Stef Martin R1, Sandilands R2, Nankervis F4.

Happy to go in with that at this stage.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: no eye deer on March 22, 2017, 03:42:22 PM
I've decided to take the punt on Sandiwitts, with Nank in the Fwds. Only decision left for me is to run with Ryder also, or swap him out for Missy or someone else. I've got a feeling all the rucks will improve their scoring this year.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on March 22, 2017, 04:09:38 PM
English won't play for a while. Has shin soreness. Could be a downgrade option later on for those with Witts at R3.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: quinny88 on March 22, 2017, 04:29:31 PM
1 night from round 1 and still have no idea what my rucks will be.

Either Gawn/sandy, Goldy/sandy, Witts/sandy

Whichever it is changes the whole structure of my team so I better stay off the beers tomorrow night until teams are named!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: jonahfalcond on March 22, 2017, 06:11:57 PM
I'm curious, why is no one talking about Stef Martin? Is it just the people prefer to go slightly more expensive for the "safer" options in Gawn and Goldy and/or the cheaper route in Witts/Nank/Sandi?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 22, 2017, 06:19:07 PM
I'm curious, why is no one talking about Stef Martin? Is it just the people prefer to go slightly more expensive for the "safer" options in Gawn and Goldy and/or the cheaper route in Witts/Nank/Sandi?

I like Stef and may even pick him as an upgrade. I just need to see how Gawn is playing before committing.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 22, 2017, 06:27:42 PM
I'm curious, why is no one talking about Stef Martin? Is it just the people prefer to go slightly more expensive for the "safer" options in Gawn and Goldy and/or the cheaper route in Witts/Nank/Sandi?

I like Stef and may even pick him as an upgrade. I just need to see how Gawn is playing before committing.

I have gone goldy at the moment but if the team comes out with no archie smith, in he comes for me.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Goosey on March 22, 2017, 07:05:44 PM
Currently sitting with Stef Martin R1, Sandilands R2, Nankervis F4.

Happy to go in with that at this stage.

Due to structure across other lines this is what I have settled on too.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Jimmykidd on March 22, 2017, 08:14:03 PM
Currently sitting with Stef Martin R1, Sandilands R2, Nankervis F4.

Happy to go in with that at this stage.

Due to structure across other lines this is what I have settled on too.

+2
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Goosey on March 22, 2017, 08:20:55 PM
Currently sitting with Stef Martin R1, Sandilands R2, Nankervis F4.

Happy to go in with that at this stage.

Due to structure across other lines this is what I have settled on too.

+2

Hoping Stef can get back to where he was last year before getting poleaxed.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: batt on March 22, 2017, 08:25:00 PM
I think I like Witts over Sandi if I had to pick one.  Am I on my own with this?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Goosey on March 22, 2017, 08:30:31 PM
I think I like Witts over Sandi if I had to pick one.  Am I on my own with this?
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That is a great poser, is Witts better value at his price, Sandi has the ability to score 100+, Witts probably doesn't? I think I'll stick with Sandi and hope he is serviceable for the early rounds.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Torpedo10 on March 22, 2017, 08:32:27 PM
I'm curious, why is no one talking about Stef Martin? Is it just the people prefer to go slightly more expensive for the "safer" options in Gawn and Goldy and/or the cheaper route in Witts/Nank/Sandi?
He burnt me to the core last year, and I hung around too long so staying right away.

Do see some merit in him though. Intrigued to see if the Witts and/or Sandi is an option though? Worst case scenario Witts is tearing it up and Sandi is going average and I just downgrade!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 22, 2017, 08:37:03 PM
Think I'm down to my last decision

Witts and Buddy vs Goldy and Florent
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Goosey on March 22, 2017, 08:38:15 PM
Think I'm down to my last decision

Witts and Buddy vs Goldy and Florent

Witts and Buddy methinks.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Hawka on March 22, 2017, 08:40:14 PM
I have Nankilands
and Ryder in forward line, im tempted to get rid of ryder to make some more cash
But im worried about the R/F link being lost, what are people thoughts is the R/F link a must with Nankilands?

Not gonna move Nank into the forwards anyway
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: tkringle on March 22, 2017, 08:46:25 PM
I have Nankilands
and Ryder in forward line, im tempted to get rid of ryder to make some more cash
But im worried about the R/F link being lost, what are people thoughts is the R/F link a must with Nankilands?

Not gonna move Nank into the forwards anyway

R/F link is a must for me if you have sandilands. Ryder should go 95+ for $418K, not sure why more are not picking him
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: bowyanger on March 22, 2017, 08:47:52 PM
R/F is really handy Ive found over the years...not that its ever helped me actually win

With DPP this is the one I favour the most,...even if you have at least 1 R/F in  either your fwd or ruck line it keeps your options open during that early season readjustment

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Hawka on March 22, 2017, 08:49:35 PM
Hmm yea ive talked myself out of getting rid of Ryder haha
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Goosey on March 22, 2017, 08:50:28 PM
I have Nankilands
and Ryder in forward line, im tempted to get rid of ryder to make some more cash
But im worried about the R/F link being lost, what are people thoughts is the R/F link a must with Nankilands?

Not gonna move Nank into the forwards anyway

R/F link is a must for me if you have sandilands. Ryder should go 95+ for $418K, not sure why more are not picking him
Taking Nankilands R1/R2 means you can't take the Nank at F3/F4, personally I don't rate Ryder, but this is just my opinion, he may play well this year, previousy when I have picked him he has disappointed.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: bowyanger on March 22, 2017, 09:01:39 PM
I have Nankilands
and Ryder in forward line, im tempted to get rid of ryder to make some more cash
But im worried about the R/F link being lost, what are people thoughts is the R/F link a must with Nankilands?

Not gonna move Nank into the forwards anyway

R/F link is a must for me if you have sandilands. Ryder should go 95+ for $418K, not sure why more are not picking him
Taking Nankilands R1/R2 means you can't take the Nank at F3/F4, personally I don't rate Ryder, but this is just my opinion, he may play well this year, previousy when I have picked him he has disappointed.
This

Was talked up as becoming elite by many in the media years ago when Franks kicked 100 in a season and I honestly believed them..it was going to be the Franks and Ryder show

As many have said in other topics on other similar aged players, if it aint happened by now....its probably not gonna happen
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: batt on March 22, 2017, 09:10:43 PM
I think I like Witts over Sandi if I had to pick one.  Am I on my own with this?
That is a great poser, is Witts better value at his price, Sandi has the ability to score 100+, Witts probably doesn't? I think I'll stick with Sandi and hope he is serviceable for the early rounds.
There's something about all the late Freo games... the fact Sandi is 34 and has already taken a knock in a pre-season game.

I think people are underrating Witts ruck work at Collingwood.  Looking at the raw numbers is hard because he shared duties with Grundy so often.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Ringo on March 22, 2017, 09:11:39 PM
Currently sitting with Stef Martin R1, Sandilands R2, Nankervis F4.

Happy to go in with that at this stage.
Same
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Goosey on March 22, 2017, 09:13:33 PM
I think I like Witts over Sandi if I had to pick one.  Am I on my own with this?
That is a great poser, is Witts better value at his price, Sandi has the ability to score 100+, Witts probably doesn't? I think I'll stick with Sandi and hope he is serviceable for the early rounds.
There's something about all the late Freo games... the fact Sandi is 34 and has already taken a knock in a pre-season game.

I think people are underrating Witts ruck work at Collingwood.  Looking at the raw numbers is hard because he shared duties with Grundy so often.
I hear ya, drop Sandi bring in Witts I can upgrade Martin to Goldy, decisions decisions!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: My Chumps on March 22, 2017, 09:50:29 PM
Ive decided to back in Sandi and Witts with Nank as cover, no matter what happens.
A lot will do the same. Gives ppl a good chance to let the dust settle a bit and pick up the top 2 rucks

Yep, top 2 rucks are up in the open this year. Could be Gawn & Goldy but could also be Martin, Hickey or Grundy. History tells you the rucks are the hardest to predict.
Lmao you're absolutely kidding yourself if you don't think Goldy + Gawn will be top the two
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 22, 2017, 10:02:05 PM
Ive decided to back in Sandi and Witts with Nank as cover, no matter what happens.
A lot will do the same. Gives ppl a good chance to let the dust settle a bit and pick up the top 2 rucks

Yep, top 2 rucks are up in the open this year. Could be Gawn & Goldy but could also be Martin, Hickey or Grundy. History tells you the rucks are the hardest to predict.
Lmao you're absolutely kidding yourself if you don't think Goldy + Gawn will be top the two

We shall see. If Spencer is playing for an extended period don't bet on it. I've also gone through the rationale with Goldy and I think he will be around the 105 mark.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Torpedo10 on March 22, 2017, 10:04:10 PM
Ive decided to back in Sandi and Witts with Nank as cover, no matter what happens.
A lot will do the same. Gives ppl a good chance to let the dust settle a bit and pick up the top 2 rucks

Yep, top 2 rucks are up in the open this year. Could be Gawn & Goldy but could also be Martin, Hickey or Grundy. History tells you the rucks are the hardest to predict.
Lmao you're absolutely kidding yourself if you don't think Goldy + Gawn will be top the two
Whilst it looks most probable, looking at past seasons it tends to fluctuate quite significantly.

I'm really intrigued to see how Gawn goes TBH. Been massively hyped, still has beard but can he improve?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on March 22, 2017, 11:12:21 PM
Toying with the idea of picking 2 rucks (Gold + Vardy), having a DPP rookie and having Boyd, Nank, Ryder (and McKernan) up forward. Probably still cop a doughnut in the ruck somehow.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 22, 2017, 11:14:04 PM
Toying with the idea of picking 2 rucks (Gold + Vardy), having a DPP rookie and having Boyd, Nank, Ryder (and McKernan) up forward. Probably still cop a doughnut in the ruck somehow.

LMAO! Classic meow!

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Judd Magic on March 22, 2017, 11:21:20 PM
Toying with the idea of picking 2 rucks (Gold + Vardy), having a DPP rookie and having Boyd, Nank, Ryder (and McKernan) up forward. Probably still cop a doughnut in the ruck somehow.

McKernan is only a forward this year though.  :-X
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 23, 2017, 11:36:17 AM
And Petrie has been officially upgraded

http://m.westcoasteagles.com.au/news/2017-03-21/petire-upgraded-with-debut-looming
Cant wait for goldy to put 200 points up on him round 1

Don't think that's possible. North will still lose. They also don't have the crumbers to make hay. No Wells, Dal Santo, Harvey & Cunnington at the drop will make things difficult. West Coast also have Sam Mitchell who has spent his whole career roving to inadequate rucks. I expect a 110-125 score from Goldy but his record in losses isn't that great.

Do you by chance have Goldy's ave score in loses for last year and the year before?

I understand your concerns but as a north supporter im sick of telling people that harvey hasnt played in the mid field in years and his absence will be irrelevant to goldies output and dal santo spent most of his time on the outside last year.
Edit: also Wells wasnt there during goldys best years due to injury so im sure the big man still has the capacity to score big regardless of who hes tapping to

I think his average was somewhere around 98-102 in losses last year

HOTA rely on a chain of possessions, for example Goldy taps to Cunnington who then passes to Dal Santo. If Goldy taps to Cunnington who is then tackled or turns it over then it is not registered as a hit out to advantage. Therefore outside players are very important.
Surely if the ruckmen taps the ball to his player and that players launches the ball into the forward line that is a HOTA ? I understand the player he is hitting the ball to can't totally spud it up but a chain of possies is needed to get a HOTA don't think that is correct

That was my understanding too.

"Taking this one step further, a ruckman’s hitout-to-advantage rate is of utmost importance in SuperCoach. That is, a hitout that reaches an intended teammate." from supercoach

Sharked hitout "A hitout that directly results in an opponent’s possession isn’t ideal, with the net result being -1 SuperCoach point."

From that i take if you hit the ball to a player and they get a possesion then it is a HTA. whether it be a effective, ineffective or even a clanger possesion.

For that reason Goldy should be fine as Cunners JZ Swallow where his 3 main guys and while wells outr hurts abit others will fill the void.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 23, 2017, 11:48:48 AM
And Petrie has been officially upgraded

http://m.westcoasteagles.com.au/news/2017-03-21/petire-upgraded-with-debut-looming
Cant wait for goldy to put 200 points up on him round 1

Don't think that's possible. North will still lose. They also don't have the crumbers to make hay. No Wells, Dal Santo, Harvey & Cunnington at the drop will make things difficult. West Coast also have Sam Mitchell who has spent his whole career roving to inadequate rucks. I expect a 110-125 score from Goldy but his record in losses isn't that great.

Do you by chance have Goldy's ave score in loses for last year and the year before?

I understand your concerns but as a north supporter im sick of telling people that harvey hasnt played in the mid field in years and his absence will be irrelevant to goldies output and dal santo spent most of his time on the outside last year.
Edit: also Wells wasnt there during goldys best years due to injury so im sure the big man still has the capacity to score big regardless of who hes tapping to

I think his average was somewhere around 98-102 in losses last year

HOTA rely on a chain of possessions, for example Goldy taps to Cunnington who then passes to Dal Santo. If Goldy taps to Cunnington who is then tackled or turns it over then it is not registered as a hit out to advantage. Therefore outside players are very important.
Surely if the ruckmen taps the ball to his player and that players launches the ball into the forward line that is a HOTA ? I understand the player he is hitting the ball to can't totally spud it up but a chain of possies is needed to get a HOTA don't think that is correct

That was my understanding too.

"Taking this one step further, a ruckman’s hitout-to-advantage rate is of utmost importance in SuperCoach. That is, a hitout that reaches an intended teammate." from supercoach

Sharked hitout "A hitout that directly results in an opponent’s possession isn’t ideal, with the net result being -1 SuperCoach point."

From that i take if you hit the ball to a player and they get a possesion then it is a HTA. whether it be a effective, ineffective or even a clanger possesion.

For that reason Goldy should be fine as Cunners JZ Swallow where his 3 main guys and while wells outr hurts abit others will fill the void.

Pretty sure the definition is effective possession, otherwise it's hardly advantageous.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 23, 2017, 11:52:52 AM
Back to sandiwitts haha
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: tkringle on March 23, 2017, 11:53:47 AM
Preuss named  >:(
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Jackross10 on March 23, 2017, 11:54:06 AM
Preuss named  >:(

spanner in the works
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: tkringle on March 23, 2017, 11:55:58 AM
Back to sandiwitts haha

Seriously thinking the same now, might leave a bit of cash in the kitty to facilitate an early upgrade through!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 23, 2017, 11:56:36 AM
fantastic preuss named. Now Goldy is more unique.

geez im tempted to have preuss R3 and drop Nank though.

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Huttabito on March 23, 2017, 11:57:57 AM
Back to sandiwitts haha
Never left the station!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 23, 2017, 11:58:46 AM
The Preuss factor, the loss factor, the knee factor, the weak midfield factor. Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: tkringle on March 23, 2017, 11:58:57 AM
fantastic preuss named. Now Goldy is more unique.

geez im tempted to have preuss R3 and drop Nank though.

Your seeing Goldie still scoring 120 with Preuss in the side Holz?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: quinny88 on March 23, 2017, 12:05:58 PM
Back to Gawn for now. spencer gets named and I'm rolling with SandiWitts
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 23, 2017, 12:06:06 PM
fantastic preuss named. Now Goldy is more unique.

geez im tempted to have preuss R3 and drop Nank though.

Your seeing Goldie still scoring 120 with Preuss in the side Holz?

not 120

but i see 110+

Preuss will be used mainly as a forward then i see him being dropped when we have all our forwards back.

we still dont know if Ben Brown, Majak Daw etc.. are named or not. That changes things.

basically witts will disapoint and people say they will trade him out but they will have bigger issues to deal with and carry him all year. The benefit of the ultra premos are soo high thats why i have the best of the best mids and then rucks the second highest scoring postion.

Can see Goldy beating whatever forward premo people have by 10+

The big difference is there arent too many great rucks where as there are quite a few 90-100 forwards. You will have the oppurtunity to pick up a gunston, nroo, buddy type for 450k-500k at some point in the year.

people are all talking about they will let the dust settle and then see who the best ruck is and pick them. bad news on that is they will cost like 600k+ and thats tough to bring in. Its more of a case of focring that exact trade.

where as if gunston has a shocker and scores 40 then i let the oppurtunity come to me and pick him up for 450k.

If goldy and gawn both go 110+ you will want them if you  start sandi and witts you will struggle to bring them in.

this game is won and lost on trading not starting teams. Look at all the past winners they rarely have amazing starting teams. Goldy is about taking oppurtunities in trade value, which wins you the season.

I dont wont to have to deal with a complicated problem like witts i want to focus on improving my team as quick as possible. Just watch people will have witts till round 10+

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: _wato on March 23, 2017, 12:06:26 PM
Back to sandiwitts haha
Never left the station!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Jackross10 on March 23, 2017, 12:08:22 PM
Sauce Jacobs hello
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: _wato on March 23, 2017, 12:08:57 PM
Gotta disagree big time Holz.

I've played this game long enough. No way will I still have Witts after his bye let alone Round 10.

Good luck with Goldy being 0-6 and ticking around 100-105. Can't wait for Sandi to monster him.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 23, 2017, 12:17:44 PM
If Witts is still in my team after the the round 9 bye it is because I've either been hospitalised, kidnapped or because he's scoring tons every week. 

And the timing for an upgrade doesn't haven't to be spot on anyway, I'll just swing Nank to R2 until the price is right. In any case, Gawn will probably outscore Goldy and he's the man I'd rather wait for.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 23, 2017, 12:20:05 PM
Gotta disagree big time Holz.

I've played this game long enough. No way will I still have Witts after his bye let alone Round 10.

Good luck with Goldy being 0-6 and ticking around 100-105. Can't wait for Sandi to monster him.

oh yeah forgot about the bye, basically means you will have to move him on after 8 rounds.

Personally i like oppurtunities come to me rather then being forced to do so.

buy low is the most important thing for me.

Good luck to you as well. I look forward to round 6. Witts v Goldy. He went 125 on them last year.

if 100-105 is the downside to him then ill take it. He is priced at 108 so a 105 is fine by me.







Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 23, 2017, 12:24:04 PM
If Witts is still in my team after the the round 9 bye it is because I've either been hospitalised, kidnapped or because he's scoring tons every week. 

And the timing for an upgrade doesn't haven't to be spot on anyway, I'll just swing Nank to R2 until the price is right. In any case, Gawn will probably outscore Goldy and he's the man I'd rather wait for.

Not saying he is a shocking pick but if he is putting up 75-80 then i dont see why you would move him on over all your over rookies. Unless you plan on having a fully upgraded team by round 9?

If you rate witts then you actually should plan on having him the longest of all your non premos. If you think he will go 80+ why would you trade him out?



Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 23, 2017, 12:29:33 PM
If Witts is still in my team after the the round 9 bye it is because I've either been hospitalised, kidnapped or because he's scoring tons every week. 

And the timing for an upgrade doesn't haven't to be spot on anyway, I'll just swing Nank to R2 until the price is right. In any case, Gawn will probably outscore Goldy and he's the man I'd rather wait for.

Not saying he is a shocking pick but if he is putting up 75-80 then i dont see why you would move him on over all your over rookies. Unless you plan on having a fully upgraded team by round 9?

If you rate witts then you actually should plan on having him the longest of all your non premos. If you think he will go 80+ why would you trade him out?

It's more about getting Gawn on the cheap and if Spencer is named for a few rounds then that is entirely possible.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Money Shot on March 23, 2017, 12:54:27 PM
Nankilands with Preuss at cover and after he gets dropped after 4-5 rounds hopefully he has made 50k for me too downgrade him to my future captain Strndica.

Nankervis should go 85-90 which I'll take.
Sandi should go 100-105 but the risk is how long he will be scoring that much for before he gets injured.

Boyd/Vardy/Witts are all downgrade options for me at least.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 23, 2017, 12:59:48 PM
Jack Watts did extra ruck work at the end of Melbourns training today.


Cue everyone scrambling to get Gawn into your teams.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: tkringle on March 23, 2017, 01:04:01 PM
Jack Watts did extra ruck work at the end of Melbourns training today.


Cue everyone scrambling to get Gawn into your teams.

I've got a plan for that! Taranto to Florent, Goldy to Gawn
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 23, 2017, 01:06:59 PM
Jack Watts did extra ruck work at the end of Melbourns training today.


Cue everyone scrambling to get Gawn into your teams.

I've got a plan for that! Taranto to Florent, Goldy to Gawn
I do not!!  :'( I need to find 200k at least.

Looking pretty certain it's just going to be Gawn on Saturday. Melbourne don't like the lack off forward pressure Spencer will give at Etihad. Looking likely Weideman will play.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: PowerBug on March 23, 2017, 01:19:04 PM
Oh for the days where we all had sandy cocks ;D

(If it went over your head, Sandilands and Cox)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: john23132 on March 23, 2017, 01:21:27 PM
Its game day and i still dont know who my RUC1 is going to be, this is ridiculous   :(
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Grazz on March 23, 2017, 01:21:57 PM
Oh for the days where we all had sandy cocks ;D

(If it went over your head, Sandilands and Cox)

I love the beach. (http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n624/Grazz64/shark-attack-smiley-emoticon_zpszzbwxg4r.gif) (http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/Grazz64/media/shark-attack-smiley-emoticon_zpszzbwxg4r.gif.html)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 23, 2017, 01:22:34 PM
Oh for the days where we all had sandy cocks ;D

(If it went over your head, Sandilands and Cox)
There's a debate.

Better combo for A SINGLE season.

Sandilands and Cox or Goldstein and Gawn?  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 23, 2017, 01:23:38 PM
Oh for the days where we all had sandy cocks ;D

(If it went over your head, Sandilands and Cox)

Speaking about Cox, Dean was the last player to back up number one honours in consecutive years. Does that mean Gawn is gone? Will have to wait and see but history tells you there will be a changing of the guard. 
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: meow meow on March 23, 2017, 01:59:46 PM
Remember that one year when NN and Cox both played every week and both scored amazing? 2 rucks isn't the end of the world for the truly elite players. Preuss is only in because he kicked 3 goals, he'll play forward mostly in the Petrie role.

Goldy is still godly.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 23, 2017, 02:04:53 PM
Remember that one year when NN and Cox both played every week and both scored amazing? 2 rucks isn't the end of the world for the truly elite players. Preuss is only in because he kicked 3 goals, he'll play forward mostly in the Petrie role.

Goldy is still godly.

We'll see, I think there's too much going against Goldy this year.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: KingCrippa on March 23, 2017, 02:09:34 PM
Am I mad???
Gonna run Kreuzer as R1, Sandi R2, Witts R3
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Cookie Monster on March 23, 2017, 02:13:27 PM
Am I mad???
Gonna run Kreuzer as R1, Sandi R2, Witts R3
Only thing is, if you're going to have Witts on the bench, get someone for 100k cheaper and upgrade somewhere else.

Kreuzer could be in for a big year after a succesful return last year.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: KingCrippa on March 23, 2017, 02:40:35 PM
Am I mad???
Gonna run Kreuzer as R1, Sandi R2, Witts R3
Only thing is, if you're going to have Witts on the bench, get someone for 100k cheaper and upgrade somewhere else.

Kreuzer could be in for a big year after a succesful return last year.
Cheers Cookie, I reckon Witts is a good rookie option plus cover for Sandi ... obviously no rucks I have are keepers and gives me flexibility when upgrades needed
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 23, 2017, 03:13:30 PM
At this stage I have Nank and Sandi R1+2 Ryder forward it allows me 3 gun backs 5 super premo mids Beams and O'meara M6 and 7 plus 4 decent FWD's and both Taranto and SPS just have to wait and see if Ryder is lone ruck
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: NickyBoy on March 23, 2017, 05:19:58 PM
Would it be silly to start without Nank? Don't know if i should bring him into my side or leave him out. Currently have Goldy and Sandi as my rucks.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: monga77 on March 23, 2017, 05:46:31 PM
anyone having preuss as R3?
I want to but then miss the link with nank
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Sicko on March 23, 2017, 06:14:46 PM
Who's the best R3 option ? Going for cover and cash generation. Have Gawn R1, Sandi R2

Preuss
Cameron
Witts

????
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Judd Magic on March 23, 2017, 06:26:11 PM
I have a question for everyone going with SandiWitts with Nank in the forwards and rookie Freo ruck at R3.

Are you going to start Sandi and Witts at R1 and R2  or put Witts to the bench and  and have Nank and Sandi at R1 and R2 with someone like Taranto going from M8 to F6 and Powell Pepper at M8?  :-\
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: MontyJnr on March 23, 2017, 06:28:36 PM
Jake Spencer emergency. Gawn rucking solo...................
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Gigantor on March 23, 2017, 06:37:31 PM
Jake Spencer emergency. Gawn rucking solo...................

Same with Stef and Archie, plus Witts is solo
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: hawkers65 on March 23, 2017, 06:40:48 PM
fcuk... had Sandi/Witts with Nank fwd... flowering gawn would be solo now. Dont know what to do
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 23, 2017, 06:44:45 PM
fcuk... had Sandi/Witts with Nank fwd... flowering gawn would be solo now. Dont know what to do

I still think Spencer could come in late, not risking it.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: hawkers65 on March 23, 2017, 06:49:08 PM
fcuk... had Sandi/Witts with Nank fwd... flowering gawn would be solo now. Dont know what to do

I still think Spencer could come in late, not risking it.

Sticking to my guts. Solo Witts should be a solid 80 week in week out. Banking on goldy coming down with Preuss and will grab if he does. Wanted that to be Gawn with spencer playing the first month but ah well. Ruckmen in your Emergencies, may he'll come in
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: MontyJnr on March 23, 2017, 06:53:07 PM
What position does Mitch Hannan spot? Would Spencer be first cab off the rank to replace him?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Jimmykidd on March 23, 2017, 07:02:39 PM
martin r1 locked. sandy with nank f4. lets goo
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: eaglesman on March 23, 2017, 07:06:32 PM
After all the talk and all the bs! Gawn starts for me!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Woppa15 on March 23, 2017, 07:08:06 PM
How many are throwing Gawn back into their sides? Would have been interesting to see ownership % before final teams announcement to now...
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 23, 2017, 07:09:09 PM
After all the talk and all the bs! Gawn starts for me!

It's certainly risky not starting him, must admit I've thought about it.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: AaronKirk on March 23, 2017, 07:11:11 PM
martin r1 locked. sandy with nank f4. lets goo

Same.

How many are throwing Gawn back into their sides? Would have been interesting to see ownership % before final teams announcement to now...

History says he cannot back it up. Happy to take the punt not starting him.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 23, 2017, 07:15:29 PM
If there's one saving grace with Gawn it's that he can throw up plenty of stinkers, 5 sub 100 scores in the first 9 rounds last year. He's fully priced so as long as the money is being used wisely no harm done.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 23, 2017, 07:29:18 PM
I'm not worried about not starting Gawn at all

Doesn't travel for a while and that's where his big scores are lol
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: enzedder on March 23, 2017, 10:07:33 PM
Wanted to start Gawn, just can't quite afford him without risking one too many rookies.
Marchbank blew out the budget.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 23, 2017, 10:09:57 PM
Ok, so Butler scored 91, will take that in place of Witts. Would have taken anything north of 80 so good start.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: benny_fraz on March 23, 2017, 10:11:17 PM
LOL to who ever didnt put Nank in
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Bully on March 23, 2017, 10:13:51 PM
Ok, so Butler scored 91, will take that in place of Witts. Would have taken anything north of 80 so good start.

Scaled up to 96.  :)
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: ronl on March 23, 2017, 10:15:55 PM
Good work from Nank...hope he keeps it up.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Judd Magic on March 23, 2017, 10:36:35 PM
I put Nank in the ruck with Sandi in the end and Witts at R3.

Hoskin Elliot and Taranto at F5 and F6.

But can throw Nank down forward if needed.  8)

I don't have Butler but may use a correction round 2 trade on him.

Ditched Pickett from my team last minute.  ;D
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: ants on March 23, 2017, 11:48:49 PM
kruz sandi with nank fwd! so far so good! had cripps though! wont react just yet but another bad game and gone!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Grufflez on March 24, 2017, 12:02:12 AM
kruz sandi with nank fwd! so far so good! had cripps though! wont react just yet but another bad game and gone!


How much was Kruzer i never even so much as checked his price! nice start bar Cripps.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: GoSaints3 on March 24, 2017, 12:14:18 AM
Martin vs Gawn?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Grazz on March 24, 2017, 12:16:09 AM
kruz sandi with nank fwd! so far so good! had cripps though! wont react just yet but another bad game and gone!


How much was Kruzer i never even so much as checked his price! nice start bar Cripps.

398k   :o
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Mat0369 on March 24, 2017, 12:23:16 AM
Kreuz was cheap. He was one I considered with Phillips out until mid year but Sandi was the cheaper option
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Grufflez on March 24, 2017, 12:26:46 AM
kruz sandi with nank fwd! so far so good! had cripps though! wont react just yet but another bad game and gone!


How much was Kruzer i never even so much as checked his price! nice start bar Cripps.

398k   :o

If he can stay uninjured for half the year and keep his form up you will have done well for that price.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: billnats on March 24, 2017, 01:11:24 AM
So do we go with Preuss with the hope he makes some quick cash or do we keep the loophole/DPP with Cameron or Strnadica?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: timtim on March 24, 2017, 01:28:13 AM
I wanted to start D.Cameron but didn't because of finger injury... but given Butler's score with the E I'm thinking he'll be a good one to bring in haha!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 24, 2017, 08:25:39 AM
Gotta disagree big time Holz.

I've played this game long enough. No way will I still have Witts after his bye let alone Round 10.

Good luck with Goldy being 0-6 and ticking around 100-105. Can't wait for Sandi to monster him.

oh yeah forgot about the bye, basically means you will have to move him on after 8 rounds.

Personally i like oppurtunities come to me rather then being forced to do so.

buy low is the most important thing for me.

Good luck to you as well. I look forward to round 6. Witts v Goldy. He went 125 on them last year.

if 100-105 is the downside to him then ill take it. He is priced at 108 so a 105 is fine by me.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: whynot102 on March 24, 2017, 09:24:51 AM
Grundy vs Goldy
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 24, 2017, 09:37:31 AM
Have people considered that if you start with Gawn/Goldy and Witts comes out with 2 big scores then you can simply just trade them down to witts and then upgrade your worst rookie to the best premo.

If you have witts and he underpeforms and Gawn Goldy kill it then i guess you can drop your worst premo to the best rookie you missed.

Both good options however i think missing a premo and picking a bad rookie is slightly more likely then having a bad premo and missing a stand out rookie.

however if you missed out on Butler then thats what you could do.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: LordSneeze on March 24, 2017, 09:40:31 AM
My plan is that if Witts underperforms, I downgrade him to any rookie I have missed by swinging Nank into the Rucks until I upgrade to Gawn/Goldy.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 24, 2017, 09:43:07 AM
Have people considered that if you start with Gawn/Goldy and Witts comes out with 2 big scores then you can simply just trade them down to witts and then upgrade your worst rookie to the best premo.

If you have witts and he underpeforms and Gawn Goldy kill it then i guess you can drop your worst premo to the best rookie you missed.

Both good options however i think missing a premo and picking a bad rookie is slightly more likely then having a bad premo and missing a stand out rookie.

however if you missed out on Butler then thats what you could do.
Holz,   do you think Butler will be a missed opportunity if you didnt start with him.   Certainly impressive debut last night.    Also covered a lot of territory.  Saw more of him than Caddy.   However at this stage I am not heart broken I didnt start him.   Worse case he is a corrective trade for the cash at round 3.     Mind you I have eddy and houston and simpkin and pickett as my starting fwd rookies.    Based on picketts performance he could be the swap for Butler in my team.   
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 24, 2017, 09:43:28 AM
Have people considered that if you start with Gawn/Goldy and Witts comes out with 2 big scores then you can simply just trade them down to witts and then upgrade your worst rookie to the best premo.

If you have witts and he underpeforms and Gawn Goldy kill it then i guess you can drop your worst premo to the best rookie you missed.

Both good options however i think missing a premo and picking a bad rookie is slightly more likely then having a bad premo and missing a stand out rookie.

however if you missed out on Butler then thats what you could do.

Downgrading Gawn or Goldy after 2 games to Witts sounds crazy. You back them in all the way

My plan is that if Witts underperforms, I downgrade him to any rookie I have missed by swinging Nank into the Rucks until I upgrade to Gawn/Goldy.

+1. I have both Ryder and Nank for this reason, so I will still have ruck cover if I need to do this

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 24, 2017, 09:44:03 AM
My plan is that if Witts underperforms, I downgrade him to any rookie I have missed by swinging Nank into the Rucks until I upgrade to Gawn/Goldy.

not a bad move.

This is why people shouldnt be worried about the rucks too much. There is always round 3 corrections
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 24, 2017, 09:46:18 AM
Have people considered that if you start with Gawn/Goldy and Witts comes out with 2 big scores then you can simply just trade them down to witts and then upgrade your worst rookie to the best premo.

If you have witts and he underpeforms and Gawn Goldy kill it then i guess you can drop your worst premo to the best rookie you missed.

Both good options however i think missing a premo and picking a bad rookie is slightly more likely then having a bad premo and missing a stand out rookie.

however if you missed out on Butler then thats what you could do.

Downgrading Gawn or Goldy after 2 games to Witts sounds crazy. You back them in all the way

Not really if Goldy comes out say 95 90 and Witts goes 85 95
Then pickett underforms again and some guy like Macrae goes 100 100.

 then i would make the Goldy Pickett to Witts Macrae trade in a second.



Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Mat0369 on March 24, 2017, 10:00:13 AM
I'm trying to decide on a Gawn/Preuss combo vs a Goldy/Witts.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 24, 2017, 10:09:08 AM
I'm trying to decide on a Gawn/Preuss combo vs a Goldy/Witts.

Gawn Preuss abit of a waste, think preuss will get dropped at some point soon when we have other forward playing. So would recomend Gawn Stranidica for loophole.

However i obviously prefer Goldy Witts
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: crowls on March 24, 2017, 10:13:49 AM
I'm trying to decide on a Gawn/Preuss combo vs a Goldy/Witts.

Gawn Preuss abit of a waste, think preuss will get dropped at some point soon when we have other forward playing. So would recomend Gawn Stranidica for loophole.

However i obviously prefer Goldy Witts
Agree with you Holz though i have goldy/strndica in my team.     
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Grufflez on March 24, 2017, 11:19:59 AM
Gotta disagree big time Holz.

I've played this game long enough. No way will I still have Witts after his bye let alone Round 10.

Good luck with Goldy being 0-6 and ticking around 100-105. Can't wait for Sandi to monster him.

oh yeah forgot about the bye, basically means you will have to move him on after 8 rounds.

Personally i like oppurtunities come to me rather then being forced to do so.

buy low is the most important thing for me.

Good luck to you as well. I look forward to round 6. Witts v Goldy. He went 125 on them last year.

if 100-105 is the downside to him then ill take it. He is priced at 108 so a 105 is fine by me.

Actually depending on how Nankervis maintains Holding witts thru his bye as cover for the real byes is completely doable
3 rucks over the byes will be handy.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 24, 2017, 11:29:03 AM
Gotta disagree big time Holz.

I've played this game long enough. No way will I still have Witts after his bye let alone Round 10.

Good luck with Goldy being 0-6 and ticking around 100-105. Can't wait for Sandi to monster him.

oh yeah forgot about the bye, basically means you will have to move him on after 8 rounds.

Personally i like oppurtunities come to me rather then being forced to do so.

buy low is the most important thing for me.

Good luck to you as well. I look forward to round 6. Witts v Goldy. He went 125 on them last year.

if 100-105 is the downside to him then ill take it. He is priced at 108 so a 105 is fine by me.

Actually depending on how Nankervis maintains Holding witts thru his bye as cover for the real byes is completely doable
3 rucks over the byes will be handy.

witts will play through all the byes as well since he is round 9.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Grufflez on March 24, 2017, 11:31:57 AM
Gotta disagree big time Holz.

I've played this game long enough. No way will I still have Witts after his bye let alone Round 10.

Good luck with Goldy being 0-6 and ticking around 100-105. Can't wait for Sandi to monster him.

oh yeah forgot about the bye, basically means you will have to move him on after 8 rounds.

Personally i like oppurtunities come to me rather then being forced to do so.

buy low is the most important thing for me.

Good luck to you as well. I look forward to round 6. Witts v Goldy. He went 125 on them last year.

if 100-105 is the downside to him then ill take it. He is priced at 108 so a 105 is fine by me.

Actually depending on how Nankervis maintains Holding witts thru his bye as cover for the real byes is completely doable
3 rucks over the byes will be handy.

witts will play through all the byes as well since he is round 9.

Yeah that's what i meant mate  :) So there is no pressure to trade him if we have Nank.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Mat0369 on March 24, 2017, 11:33:06 AM
I'm trying to decide on a Gawn/Preuss combo vs a Goldy/Witts.

Gawn Preuss abit of a waste, think preuss will get dropped at some point soon when we have other forward playing. So would recomend Gawn Stranidica for loophole.

However i obviously prefer Goldy Witts

Mason Wood is about 6 weeks away right? The idea behind it us it would give me enough cash generation to turm Preuss into Cameron  and take a 60 average.  Other option is Goldy and Preuss for locking down 1 ruck spit regardless
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Grufflez on March 24, 2017, 11:40:29 AM
Isn't Pruess just playing while Brown is out?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Mat0369 on March 24, 2017, 11:51:42 AM
Brown isn't out. He has been named on an extended bench and I would expect him to be picked. It means Waite and Brown are the 2 main forwards and Preuss is the ruck/forward. He has Daw's spot in the team. When Mason Wood comes back he becomes the 2nd forward and pushes Preuss out. Brown then becomes the 2nd ruck.

The other thing to consider is that Waite could very well be injured in 2 weeks opening a longer term vacancy in the forward line
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 24, 2017, 11:52:05 AM
Isn't Pruess just playing while Brown is out?

we don't know as Ben Brown is listed on the extended bench.

The other thing is Majak Daw didnt make the team he will be pushing his hardest to make the squad. Any slip up and preuss is gone.

Mason Wood was 6-8 weeks away in february and its now looking closer to 6 weeks. May play 1-2 games in the VFL but he would be very very close.

can tell you this now, nobody will keep out a healthy Wood.

I reckon we run Wood Waite Brown and then sometimes play Preuss/Daw
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: frenzy on March 24, 2017, 12:35:18 PM
Preuss and the other 5 debutants will stay in the team as long as they're playing well. If they're starring, they're staying. A few players like Hansen, Atley and Brown would want to bring their A game.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 24, 2017, 12:36:36 PM
Preuss and the other 5 debutants will stay in the team as long as they're playing well. If they're starring, they're staying. A few players like Hansen, Atley and Brown would want to bring their A game.

lets say Brown isnt named this week. If North have a healthy Brown and Wood waiting for selection, Preuss would have to play out of his mind to keep a spot over him.

Wood is the future forward of the club.

Believe that Preuss is the Goldy replacement though.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: frenzy on March 24, 2017, 01:01:08 PM
Preuss and the other 5 debutants will stay in the team as long as they're playing well. If they're starring, they're staying. A few players like Hansen, Atley and Brown would want to bring their A game.

lets say Brown isnt named this week. If North have a healthy Brown and Wood waiting for selection, Preuss would have to play out of his mind to keep a spot over him.

Wood is the future forward of the club.

Believe that Preuss is the Goldy replacement though.

Agreed, but Wood is  as good a wingman as a forward and has many more options of who makes way when he's fit. I can see Preuss kicking Brown out the squad and we play 2 top line ruckmen. Let's face it Brown aint the best ruckman in the team. There's a showerload of teams that wouldn't have a 206 cm backmen to take care of Preuss and the resting Goldy.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: albaz on March 24, 2017, 01:31:35 PM
im still confused on my ruck/fwd option,  i have gone with sandi/witts big risk but works well if it pays off.

Luke Strnadica Vs Dacrey Cameron.

With Strnadica, he has way more loopholes for VC/C but cameron has a chance of playing this year and making me cash.

What do you guys think? 
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: MontyJnr on March 24, 2017, 01:34:15 PM
im still confused on my ruck/fwd option,  i have gone with sandi/witts big risk but works well if it pays off.

Luke Strnadica Vs Dacrey Cameron.

With Strnadica, he has way more loopholes for VC/C but cameron has a chance of playing this year and making me cash.

What do you guys think? 

Strnadica. Save Darcy Cameron as a downgrade target.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Holz on March 24, 2017, 01:42:03 PM
Preuss and the other 5 debutants will stay in the team as long as they're playing well. If they're starring, they're staying. A few players like Hansen, Atley and Brown would want to bring their A game.

lets say Brown isnt named this week. If North have a healthy Brown and Wood waiting for selection, Preuss would have to play out of his mind to keep a spot over him.

Wood is the future forward of the club.

Believe that Preuss is the Goldy replacement though.

Agreed, but Wood is  as good a wingman as a forward and has many more options of who makes way when he's fit. I can see Preuss kicking Brown out the squad and we play 2 top line ruckmen. Let's face it Brown aint the best ruckman in the team. There's a showerload of teams that wouldn't have a 206 cm backmen to take care of Preuss and the resting Goldy.

Brown is a much better forward then Preuss is. When you have Goldy you might as well stick him in the ruck all game.

Brown is our leading goal kicker, wouldnt drop him just because he cant ruck. He is 199cm so only 3cm shorter then Goldy.

Brown + Wood i see being our long term Key forwards.

plus Majak Daw will be in the mix too, remeber he was injured preseason they talked him up all of last year and most of the preseason before the injury. Out soo much work into him doubt he just gets dumped. Preuss i think will play a few get dropped then play in the VFL as the ruck. His role is to replace Goldy he is the only guy in the team who can play as a ruck, the other guys are forwards who can ruck.

Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: shaker on March 24, 2017, 01:51:56 PM
After much thinking I have decided to go Gawn + Sandi R1 and 2 with Nank FWD I figure after round 2 if Gawn is spudding it up it is easier to go down to Witts than visa versa
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: billnats on March 24, 2017, 01:57:02 PM
im still confused on my ruck/fwd option,  i have gone with sandi/witts big risk but works well if it pays off.

Luke Strnadica Vs Dacrey Cameron.

With Strnadica, he has way more loopholes for VC/C but cameron has a chance of playing this year and making me cash.

What do you guys think? 

Strnadica. Save Darcy Cameron as a downgrade target.

Or Cameron and Strdanica comes in for him once he is made the money you want
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: frenzy on March 24, 2017, 04:17:23 PM
Preuss and the other 5 debutants will stay in the team as long as they're playing well. If they're starring, they're staying. A few players like Hansen, Atley and Brown would want to bring their A game.

lets say Brown isnt named this week. If North have a healthy Brown and Wood waiting for selection, Preuss would have to play out of his mind to keep a spot over him.

Wood is the future forward of the club.

Believe that Preuss is the Goldy replacement though.

Agreed, but Wood is  as good a wingman as a forward and has many more options of who makes way when he's fit. I can see Preuss kicking Brown out the squad and we play 2 top line ruckmen. Let's face it Brown aint the best ruckman in the team. There's a showerload of teams that wouldn't have a 206 cm backmen to take care of Preuss and the resting Goldy.

Brown is a much better forward then Preuss is. When you have Goldy you might as well stick him in the ruck all game.

Brown is our leading goal kicker, wouldnt drop him just because he cant ruck. He is 199cm so only 3cm shorter then Goldy.

Brown + Wood i see being our long term Key forwards.

plus Majak Daw will be in the mix too, remeber he was injured preseason they talked him up all of last year and most of the preseason before the injury. Out soo much work into him doubt he just gets dumped. Preuss i think will play a few get dropped then play in the VFL as the ruck. His role is to replace Goldy he is the only guy in the team who can play as a ruck, the other guys are forwards who can ruck.

Still totally agreed ^ with everything you say and this would be our best setup in seasons past. I just think Brad Scott is going to turn his team on it's ear. I love Browny and he is our future full forward, but he has had no pre season. Only started running  and joined full trainng a few weeks back.

Goldy was clearly hampered with injury last season (ankle or knee ?) and I think Brad Scott will look after him a little better this year. Who knows? what Brad is thinking. Preuss would know better than you or I that his form will keep him in the team. He just has to bring his JLT form every week and I think he stays probably like you said til Wood is fit and back in the squad. This pre season, Preuss has gone past Brown and Daw.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: BLBBLB on March 24, 2017, 04:38:22 PM
Grundy vs Goldy
Currently struggling with this, but am going Grundy myself.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Jimmykidd on March 24, 2017, 06:01:38 PM
Can big Steff Martin get back to his best? Seems to be a bit of a POD. I think because he burnt so many last year haha.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Fid on March 24, 2017, 06:04:09 PM
Grundy vs Goldy
Currently struggling with this, but am going Grundy myself.

I had Grundy from the beginning but I have now gone with Witts and used the change elsewhere
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Money Shot on March 26, 2017, 07:46:58 PM
After watching the first 5 minutes on the game I reckon Sandi will go 150+
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 26, 2017, 07:48:13 PM
After watching the first 5 minutes on the game I reckon Sandi will go 150+

I hope he does

Was the biggest lock/bargain of the year

As long as his fit (which he has been for years now) I'm expecting him to remain my keeper R2 all year
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Gavdroid on March 26, 2017, 08:14:45 PM
After watching the first 5 minutes on the game I reckon Sandi will go 150+

I hope he does

Was the biggest lock/bargain of the year

As long as his fit (which he has been for years now) I'm expecting him to remain my keeper R2 all year
Long way to go for 150 :(
All this talk about Preuss, Spencer, Archie Smith taking points from the top rucks, did anyone think of Griffin taking from Sandi?
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Huttabito on March 26, 2017, 08:30:32 PM
After watching the first 5 minutes on the game I reckon Sandi will go 150+

I hope he does

Was the biggest lock/bargain of the year

As long as his fit (which he has been for years now) I'm expecting him to remain my keeper R2 all year
Long way to go for 150 :(
All this talk about Preuss, Spencer, Archie Smith taking points from the top rucks, did anyone think of Griffin taking from Sandi?
Pretty sure the stats were Sandi scores more when Griffin in playing.
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 26, 2017, 11:37:36 PM
Feel like Sandi was ripped only scoring 107

Had 20 HOTA

20!
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RoughRed on March 27, 2017, 03:52:02 AM
Feel like Sandi was ripped only scoring 107

Had 20 HOTA

20!
Agree RD
Watchingthe replay (on an overseas stream) Sandi was in charge - should have equated to much better scoring than eventuated
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: Gigantor on March 27, 2017, 07:42:02 AM
I saw a lot of sharked taps, probably cost him 10-15 points
Title: Re: Which Rucks?
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 27, 2017, 09:19:15 AM
I saw a lot of sharked taps, probably cost him 10-15 points

A HOTA is a HOTA. 100 po