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Title: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Hawka on March 04, 2017, 02:26:31 AM
This board has been quiet of late so i thought i would create some discussion

Fellow Hawks fans we are getting quite a bit of stick for letting go of Mitchell and Lewis, but i am so far so happy with JOM and TMitchell and if players like Shiels can take another step up im confident our window is not over yet.
That being said i think top 4 may be out of reach (Hope im wrong). My prediction is 6th or 7th and who knows in the finals.

Im also so excited for Roughy to be back as well!
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on March 04, 2017, 03:17:51 AM
I'm hoping you guys finish as low as possible, cos we have your first rounder :P
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Scrads on March 04, 2017, 09:53:30 AM
I've been drooling over JOM this entire pre-season, I'm so excited to see him out there in the regular season!

How lucky am I? So my Hawks guernsey has a #3 on it, obviously that used to be for Lewis. Before we announced our jumper number numbers I was like 'pleeeeaaaase give #3 to Tom Mitchell!' as he has been an absolute favourite of mine over the last few years, then boom! Jackpot with that one haha. So keen to see him out there for us too. We definitely need his contested ball winning around the stoppages!
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Hawka on March 06, 2017, 01:55:50 AM
I've been drooling over JOM this entire pre-season, I'm so excited to see him out there in the regular season!

How lucky am I? So my Hawks guernsey has a #3 on it, obviously that used to be for Lewis. Before we announced our jumper number numbers I was like 'pleeeeaaaase give #3 to Tom Mitchell!' as he has been an absolute favourite of mine over the last few years, then boom! Jackpot with that one haha. So keen to see him out there for us too. We definitely need his contested ball winning around the stoppages!
Awesome luck Scrads :D

Sorry BM, hopefully its atleast after pick 15 :P
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Hawka on March 08, 2017, 09:24:33 PM
After being somewhat absent the last couple of years im so flowering excited for Saturday week
Wrote a hawks season preview on my site, probaly the most enjoyable thing ive wrote on there so far  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Rusty00 on March 10, 2017, 01:54:33 PM
So no Mitchell, Lewis or Hodge for Round 1 :o

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-10/hodge-to-miss-round-one-after-clubimposes-suspension (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-10/hodge-to-miss-round-one-after-clubimposes-suspension)
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Hawka on March 10, 2017, 02:28:17 PM
So no Mitchell, Lewis or Hodge for Round 1 :o

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-10/hodge-to-miss-round-one-after-clubimposes-suspension (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-10/hodge-to-miss-round-one-after-clubimposes-suspension)
This is ,assove, i was worried already about the bombers but now wow, i dont even know if we are favorites
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Hawka on March 24, 2017, 10:31:27 PM
Well we are under 24 hours away!
How are we feeling?
Glad Henderson is playing, kind of surprised Shocey is playing we look a little to tall up forward but maybe he will chime in defence or Gunston or roughy will play midfield

for the result i think essendon will come hard and be up a couple of goals at halftime , but we will rally in the last half and win by 20 odd points
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Rusty00 on March 25, 2017, 09:36:10 AM
Have been wary of a Rd.1 ambush for a while and Hodge being out doesn't help.

Rough will play a fair bit in the middle and Gunston pushes up to the wings/hb so I think  Schoey will get a fair run at it I reckon.

Hopefully we match the Bombers intensity early and then pull away.
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Hawka on April 02, 2017, 10:08:44 PM
Well my fellow Hawkers
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj2uZim4oXTAhXLF5QKHbU_CaEQ3ywIHTAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6uBK5kvakD8&usg=AFQjCNGNCTlwv-mBDhX11NeuJuvK_1uWNQ&sig2=LL2gVbLe8qT7_gddZGuABQ (https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj2uZim4oXTAhXLF5QKHbU_CaEQ3ywIHTAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6uBK5kvakD8&usg=AFQjCNGNCTlwv-mBDhX11NeuJuvK_1uWNQ&sig2=LL2gVbLe8qT7_gddZGuABQ)
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Rusty00 on April 03, 2017, 04:50:37 PM
Hard to see as making a strong challenge this year for the top, but still think we can play finals. Everyone is keen to stick the boots into us because they're jealous of the success we've had, but don't think we're as bad as some are making out. We weren't up for the content against a fired up Bombers which can happen in Round. 1 (see GWS) and had our chances last week to win against a very good Adelaide team. We're missing that polish on our final execution and calmness under pressure, we seem to be going a bit handball happy under pressure where as previously we could work our way out with precise kicking skills.

If we lose this week, then we can panic :-\
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Rusty00 on April 09, 2017, 06:15:28 PM
Ok, now we panic :o
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: JBs-Hawks on April 09, 2017, 06:17:50 PM
Wtf
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Scrads on April 09, 2017, 09:10:24 PM
We're in strife to say the least. It's hard to see where to go from here, we're going to struggle to make the finals but tanking is useless seeing as our first pick in this year's draft is GWS' 2nd rounder. We're not equipped for the fast-paced game that's being played so far this year as we've got slow mids who just can't keep up. Lewis and Mitchell wouldn't have saved us by any stretch for this reason so I'm not exactly pining for either of them to come back.

As much as he can be frustrating, Hartung needs to come back into the side to hopefully add some of the speed we're lacking. I know he was lacklustre last week and I'm not sure he's the quickest, but I think we could use Kade Stewart's tackling pressure. I think I'm done with Langford, I honestly can't see what he can add or what role he can play to an acceptable level- he's an okay run-with or contested ball player, but that's about it and his disposal is shocking. Cyril needs a run in the guts. If it increases his chances of injury, then so-be-it. It's pointless having him forward when the ball isn't getting down there.

I could keep going, but I won't. I'll still rock up and cheer the boys on every game but the signs are there that this could be a long year.
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Hawka on April 09, 2017, 09:18:20 PM
The skills were shocking, the hunger wasnt there
Going for the man instead of the ball in marking contests so many times, not sticking enough tackles
The suns were just everywhere and we were so slow
Just so frustrating
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Toga on April 09, 2017, 09:22:17 PM
Wtf
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Hawka on April 10, 2017, 02:28:16 PM
Gws copped all the bullshower round 1
Freo, Suns and Pies week 2
The swans barely lost and have so many players to come back, the Roos have been better then expected in tough games.

So we cop all the bullshower this week, need to do what the Suns and freo did, we need to come out angry and hungry
No guarantee of a win OFC, but cmon Lads show us some fight
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Ringo on April 10, 2017, 03:37:14 PM
Gws copped all the bullshower round 1
Freo, Suns and Pies week 2
The swans barely lost and have so many players to come back, the Roos have been better then expected in tough games.

So we cop all the bullshower this week, need to do what the Suns and freo did, we need to come out angry and hungry
No guarantee of a win OFC, but cmon Lads show us some fight
One of the reasons sticking with JOM.
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Scrads on April 18, 2017, 06:38:33 PM
So this isn't turning out so great! What can we change? I'm not too sure but here is what I would do with this week's team:

In: Howe, Stewart, Vickery

Out: Langford, O'Brien, Henderson/Gibson

*JOM probably in if fit

Howe I just want in the side. The kid has shown flashes, lets give him an extended run to show us what he's got. Stewart is another one I like and as I've said previously, his tackling pressure could be good for us. Vickery comes back in and offers proper 2nd ruck support as well as a key forward target. I don't care what people say about him, he's not THAT bad and is better than anyone else we have to play that position.

Out goes Langford who I'm sick of now. His disposal is shocking and he's not even getting much of it. 5 clangers from 14 touches- have a spell for BH, mate. TOB just isn't coming on like we've hoped he will. I don't want to see him near a ruck contest ever again in Hawthorn colours and he took 1 mark on the weekend for 5 disposals- simply not enough. I honestly think Sam Grimley would offer us more if we still had him. The last out is probably controversial and if we weren't in the spot we're currently in, I'd probably be nominating Hardwick for it but seeing as this season is basically a write-off, I'm willing to give him some games to show something. Henderson won't be in our next premiership-contending team. He isn't doing too bad by any means but his disposal has also been sloppy and he often resorts to hoists down the line as far as he can kick. We may as well give his spot to someone developing even if their output isn't quite as good. The signs are there that Gibbo is past it now, he just isn't the player he was for us. I'm happy for us to play Brand and Frawley as our key defenders and I think Stratton has the goods to play basically the same sort of role Gibbo has been playing for us for a few years now. It won't happen, but either one of Hendo or Gibbo out works for me.

THE POSITIVES:
We've got some great premiership players at our disposal still and despite everyone being on our case about 'not having any young talent', we've got some guys like Burton and Sicily playing great footy, Tom Mitchell is a great contested-ball player (even if his kicking isn't the greatest), Jaeger will surely come good for us and I think we'll see better signs from him as the year goes on and I have high hopes for other guys like Hartung, Howe, Brand and Lovell (who we unfortunately likely won't see this year). Does anyone know how guys like Willsmore, Cousins and Hanrahan went in the VFL this week? I tried to look up the stats but I don't think they are out yet.
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Rusty00 on April 18, 2017, 08:28:46 PM
Stewart 26 poss, 9 tackles, 1 goal
Willsmore 31 poss, 1 goal

Were apparently two of our best in the win. Can't find others stats.

I agree we need to give guys like Stewart, Brand, Willsmore extended games now to see if they're up to it. It's disappointing Lovell is injured as I would've liked to see him play some games.

I've seen some commentary around saying Clarko should consider moving on now. What do you guys think about that as IMO I would be disappointed if he left as it would have a bit of an "abandoning a sinking ship" feel about it?
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Scrads on April 18, 2017, 09:55:21 PM
Stewart 26 poss, 9 tackles, 1 goal
Willsmore 31 poss, 1 goal

Were apparently two of our best in the win. Can't find others stats.

I agree we need to give guys like Stewart, Brand, Willsmore extended games now to see if they're up to it. It's disappointing Lovell is injured as I would've liked to see him play some games.

I've seen some commentary around saying Clarko should consider moving on now. What do you guys think about that as IMO I would be disappointed if he left as it would have a bit of an "abandoning a sinking ship" feel about it?

Agreed. I still cringe when I think of Ross Lyon leaving St Kilda for Freo at the time that he did. I'd be shocked if Clarko left prematurely though, especially as he's under contract. You'd think the guy would have enough credits in the bank to withstand this sort of talk after just 4 losses...
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: GoLions on April 18, 2017, 11:16:32 PM
Get Howe innnnn
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Hawka on April 19, 2017, 12:55:51 AM
I dont know were to start on our list, i think i am going to write a long detailed article on my site about it :P
But the amount of Hawks supporters saying our era is still here and we will come good and people think otherwise are unloyal is flowered
People who actually know the game of AFL knows how it works, they bottom out
I didnt think our time was going to end this season, but i knew by 2019 or 2020 it would be over
Just because i say we are rebulding does not mean i dont love or support this club
we have to face facts, we need to play the kids and at the end of the season we need to trade back into the first round
I dont care if our membership base goes down 20 thousand, i just want fans who have experienced the highs to get ready for the lows
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: JBs-Hawks on April 19, 2017, 01:04:20 AM
Our game style is flowered just as much as our list is flowered.
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Pkbaldy on April 19, 2017, 09:51:39 AM
Our game style is flowered just as much as our list is flowered.

It's okay, you can draft a really good kids with a top 3 pick and an early 2nd rounder.

Look forward to the rookie draft.

Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Mr.Craig on April 19, 2017, 04:13:51 PM
This is mostly coming about due to us trading rather than drafting. It delivered three premierships so there's no excuse for pointing fingers or getting upset. The fair weather fans will wander off, only to stick their heads up during the next period of glory. We have drafted a few decent kids in recent years. Burton, Howe, Brand, Sicily and Stewart were all relative bargains. Maybe Lovell will do something. The reality is we have missed out on most of the high end talent this decade and it's starting to bite. Some players we have persevered with for too long.

I don't agree with how the forward line is being structured. Sure part of the problem is the slow transfer of the footy which is giving the opposition time to flood back but as far as I'm concerned we need to be doing everything in our power to give the forwards one on one opportunities. On paper it's still one of the best forward six in the comp, give them half a chance to show it. Breust is pretty much at career low stats right now, we are getting nothing out of him.

I'm far more pragmatic than most, the finals losses last year didn't affect me much, nor do the performances this year. Teams tend to finish where they deserve to finish and no amount of gum flapping from supporters will change that. I care about the club enough to sit back and let them get things in order, even if it takes many years.
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Hawka on April 21, 2017, 02:30:42 PM
*Mods delete if not aloud* (Id copy the whole post if could but it is to big! )

Here is my list analysis on were all the Hawks players are at and there fortunes for the end of the season

http://lsbsportstalk.com/?p=800 (http://lsbsportstalk.com/?p=800)
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: GoLions on April 21, 2017, 02:35:45 PM
When is JOM coming back :P
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Hawka on April 21, 2017, 02:37:58 PM
When is JOM coming back :P
Who flowering knows
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: GoLions on April 21, 2017, 02:38:35 PM
When is JOM coming back :P
Who flowering knows
You guys are killin' me :'(
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Hawka on April 21, 2017, 03:06:24 PM
When is JOM coming back :P
Who flowering knows
You guys are killin' me :'(
I would like to think our medical staff knew if his knee was that bad
hopefully just a new knock
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: JBs-Hawks on April 21, 2017, 05:07:59 PM
He said just a knock and was almost gonna play last week, now he's not named this week?
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Rusty00 on May 07, 2017, 10:01:33 PM
Good to see the boys really fight out a win today, after that 3rd quarter looked like the Dees would run over us.

Can't believe I'm going to say this but Tim O'Brien has actually looked like a half decent footballer in a few games this year :o
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Rusty00 on May 10, 2017, 03:51:27 PM
Anyone else think it's ironic the only two teams we've beaten this season are West Coast and Melbourne......
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Hawka on May 10, 2017, 07:53:11 PM
Anyone else think it's ironic the only two teams we've beaten this season are West Coast and Melbourne......
HAHA you just made me realize this!
Fantastic on the weekend!
TBH we werent fantastic, Demons were crap
But gee Burton, Hardwick, Howe, OBrien (wtf) were fantastic

Not trying to get ahead of myself, but 3 winnable fixtures coming up

hypothetically were 5-5, at this point there is no point playing for a draft pick as we dont have our first 2, roll the dice and have a crack i say
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Hawka on May 21, 2017, 12:17:38 AM
We gave that away and it hurts

Mitchell though, amazing
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Hawka on June 11, 2017, 01:40:24 AM
Expect us to play the kids
We have already have had 35 players and going though our list, expect that to go to 40/41 and we only have 44 players on our list aha
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Rusty00 on June 11, 2017, 10:33:32 PM
I still can't believe all we got for Jordan Lewis was a move up the draft of 9 spots in the 3rd round. Has played 78 out of the last 85 games (only 2 of those games missed with injury), B&F in a premiership year and 2nd in the B&F last season. Compare that with Deledio who's played 46/78 and isn't going to add to that anytime soon, and Richmond managed to score a 1st and 3rd rounder for him.

I guess Richmond finally clawed back some credibilty on us since Richard Tambling :-\
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Toga on June 12, 2017, 09:18:11 AM
I never understood the discrepancies between those two deals either Rusty. Both were drafted in the Top 5 or so picks of their draft and have (arguably) equally decorated careers. So why did Richmond get so much better of a deal!
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: GoLions on June 12, 2017, 10:35:10 AM
I never understood the discrepancies between those two deals either Rusty. Both were drafted in the Top 5 or so picks of their draft and have (arguably) equally decorated careers. So why did Richmond get so much better of a deal!
Because a first round pick is chump change for gws :p
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Rusty00 on June 12, 2017, 02:06:41 PM
I never understood the discrepancies between those two deals either Rusty. Both were drafted in the Top 5 or so picks of their draft and have (arguably) equally decorated careers. So why did Richmond get so much better of a deal!
Because a first round pick is chump change for gws :p
Yeah, that's the problem. We dealt with the wrong team :(
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Toga on June 12, 2017, 02:56:32 PM
I never understood the discrepancies between those two deals either Rusty. Both were drafted in the Top 5 or so picks of their draft and have (arguably) equally decorated careers. So why did Richmond get so much better of a deal!
Because a first round pick is chump change for gws :p

Haha touche!
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Hawka on August 01, 2017, 09:16:17 AM
I hate thinking about it, but those 2 weeks against the Giants and Cats will most likely cost us a finals run, but we are so well placed for next year and beyond, but just need to take it one week at a time
Title: Re: 2017 Discussion (the year of JOM)
Post by: Rusty00 on August 01, 2017, 10:19:14 AM
I hate thinking about it, but those 2 weeks against the Giants and Cats will most likely cost us a finals run, but we are so well placed for next year and beyond, but just need to take it one week at a time
The Collingwood game is the one that stands out for me as one that will cost us.

After the first half of the season, it looked like a disaster. However things have looked promising for the future over the last 6 or 7 weeks though. Some good performances against some good opponents whilst missing most of our backline + Cyril. Burton looks to be a gun, Sicily looks like he could turn into a good intercept/rebound defender, Hardwick looks promising in defence, Howe is improving, O'Brien is finally showing glimpses.

Hopefully these youngsters can rejuvenate the more experienced players like Gunston, Breust, etc. for next year.