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Title: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: anchorman on July 05, 2017, 12:40:11 PM
Le Tour de Frances goes into its fourth day tonight, has any one been watching an will you continue to watch?
 
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: PowerBug on July 05, 2017, 01:00:28 PM
yeah watched the first 3 stages, probably won't be able to stay up watch the entire stages over the next few days, but will get back into it after that. Froome the man to beat still and I can't see anyone getting close.
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: anchorman on July 05, 2017, 02:46:14 PM
He has the team.I am not sure that BMC are strong enough to help Ritchie Porte through the tough stages when it counts.
Not sure just how the Aussie team Orica are going.Haven't seen much of them so far.Hard to pick out of the peloton as a few others have similar out fits.Chavez is their main man.
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Post by: PowerBug on July 05, 2017, 09:14:32 PM
Geez I think Sagan was a bit stiff to be disqualified from the entire race... Surely a huge points and time penalty could've been enough?
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: anchorman on July 05, 2017, 09:37:51 PM
I have watched it plenty of times and I think Cavendish was trying to get through a gap that wasn't there.Sagan held his ground, but I don't think the elbow was necessary.
Remember that it has cost Cavendish a chance to make more of a name for himself also.Cavendish is out with a broken collar bone.
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: R.Griffen on July 06, 2017, 01:20:22 AM
Yep watch all of it pretty annoyed I can't find a NBC live stream so I can listen to P&P but anyway love cycling.

As said in the commentary heaps today the Giro guys are struggling and the Giro this year was incredibly difficult come the end of stages.

Nice to see Aru kick away from the main group actually had him down to come second to Froome as a prediction. Porte and Froome both looking strong. Another smokie is Uran been building the last couple of years and looks to be traveling okay. Not to sure what happen to Fuglsang as in the lead up criterium dauphine he actually beat both Froome and Porte in a one week event

On the Sagan thing he was probably a bit stiff but Cav being out for the rest of the tour makes me thing Sagan should be the same

Also I know it happen Saturday but my favourite rider Valverde crashed out and probably last major tour he will ride with a broken kneecap from the incident. Been one of the stars of road cycling for a long time
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: anchorman on July 06, 2017, 08:37:14 PM
It certainly was a brave move and ride by Aru. He blitzed them when he took off.
I think Porte will still struggle with his team.He has to do loads of work on his own.He had to sit on SKY last night.
Good to see Orica Scott colours up there at the finish.
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: R.Griffen on July 09, 2017, 11:55:44 PM
Massive dog move from Aru lost all respect
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: PowerBug on July 10, 2017, 12:09:29 AM
Massive dog move from Aru lost all respect
I say fair game tough luck. There'll be words at the end no doubt
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: R.Griffen on July 10, 2017, 12:21:16 AM
Richie gone. Huge crash. Hope he is okay
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: PowerBug on July 10, 2017, 12:22:44 AM
Looks bad :'(
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Post by: Rusty00 on July 10, 2017, 12:23:01 AM
Richie gone. Huge crash. Hope he is okay
That was a big one. Looks in a lot of pain :(
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: PowerBug on July 10, 2017, 12:26:37 AM
All on Bardet now! Cmon fella
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: R.Griffen on July 10, 2017, 12:31:15 AM
Can't believe how well my boy Uran is performing. Saw him as a smokie but seems to have another level
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: PowerBug on July 10, 2017, 12:51:39 AM
Geez I saw that Uran won that photo finish live, I think Keenan and McEwan were blinded by wanting to see Barguil win it :P
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: anchorman on July 10, 2017, 06:35:32 PM
The only one game enough to challenge Froome is now gone from the race.It is a mere formality now unless Froome and Sky implode.
Yet again Porte was left to fend for him self for large portions of the stage before he was injured.It was a shocking crash.I hope he will recover quickly.They are a tough reed these cyclists.
For me the break aways will be the only interest left in the race, other than seeing of Simon Yates can win the white jersey as best young rider.
I think Aru was quickly told what he had done was wrong. Porte and the other GC riders quickly reined him in and gave him the message.
Maybe an early night tonight, rest day.
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Post by: R.Griffen on July 10, 2017, 07:04:40 PM
For Porte, Aru and probably Bardet this was the chance. Valverde was out of the tour and Quintana had been in the Giro was pretty much no chance of winning. Thomas had crashed out a couple hours before Porte (I know Sky is still strong) but he is/was the main helper for Froome. So the best 2 riders in the tour without their main team mate. Now Porte crashing out I think we will see a different style of race
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: anchorman on July 11, 2017, 02:26:00 PM
Griff, I think that Thomas was having as easy a ride as what Froome was.He was tucked away deep in the Sky train as much as Froome.The rider who controlled the speed of the peloton were and are the riders doing all the work.
Sad to see both Thomas and Porte out of the race.Any crash is not good, but two riders of class out, that is disappointing.
Regardless of whether I feel the race is over, i will still be watching tonight.Here in the West we get to see the lot and can be in bed before midnight.
How do you see the change in racing from tonight ? I am interested  to know.
I am a fan of cycling but do not under stand a lot of the tactics, maybe you can enlighten me.
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: R.Griffen on July 12, 2017, 03:52:04 AM
Personally I see Aru and Fuglsang going for broke. Fuglsang managed to ride away from Porte and Froome just a month back. I know Froome is in better form and it's also a three week tour but these guys are pretty explosive. The short bursting attacks would come right away not waiting into the climb. However if this happen it will lead a very very small group of riders ( Aru, Bardet, Fuglsang, Uran, Martin, Froome then depending on who is left from sky chasing). This strategy can't be over used on a stage if it doesn't work well they gotta sit and wait hoping not to be dropped by the pace of Sky.

A different strategy will suffer with riders such as Zakarin not being in the tour. But this strategy is having the GC group ride at a constant speed. The same tempo suits guys like Quintana, Yates, Meintjes but it also helps guys like Nieve and Henao from sky. I'm one of few with the opinion that Quintana isn't doing poorly. He has stayed on his bike yes he has dropped time but it's far from over. In the Giro won by Dumoulin(More of a time trial specialist than a climber) Quintana couldn't even break away from him. Someone else needs to control the pace like AG2R did in stage 9 and hope they catch Froome on a bad day.

Strange to say but if Valverde had not crashed in stage 1, he would likely be top 3 with how the race has been as he is the most explosive climber on the tour. The race staying like it is at the moment Aru is a real chance. Will the race stay the same? Wouldn't think so, we have only had a couple days climbing and both have been indifferent finishes. Froome will have a stage picked out he will be attacking on other than that we might see the GC contenders group properly for a couple stages when reaching the mountains next

One other thing we may start to see is trying to keep the Peloton together for longer. This is likely to happen only if Froome drops the yellow jersey (doesn't matter who to) more riders will mean more attacks and since everyone knows Froome is favourite Sky will need to be very selective which ones they chase down when they aren't setting the pace (unlikely any other team chase riders down apart from maybe Astana).

Hope his makes sense
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: GoLions on July 13, 2017, 11:36:08 AM
I keep thinking the thread title says 'DTF' and not 'TDF' heh

Watched almost the entire thing last year, haven't really gotten into it this year though. Probably because I've been playing Crash every night haha
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: R.Griffen on July 13, 2017, 11:48:09 PM
Fuglsang not 100% and Sky pace is crazy. Not looking good for anyone but Froome
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: PowerBug on July 14, 2017, 12:03:00 AM
How the flower are there still 4 Sky riders when the final group is down to like 20?? Bardet, Aru, Quintana have no teammates left yet Froome has 3....

Sky are like robots. The Harlem Globetrotters. Hawthorn :P It's not fair :'(
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: PowerBug on July 14, 2017, 12:09:43 AM
Oh come on... attack the flowerer he's too good as it is may as well attack. Especially when he flowers up on the road :o
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: R.Griffen on July 14, 2017, 12:26:36 AM
Can't stand having Aussie commentators. Quintana gonna finish a hell of a lot higher than Porte will
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: R.Griffen on July 14, 2017, 12:43:06 AM
ARU IN YELLOW!!!
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: PowerBug on July 14, 2017, 12:44:12 AM
IS THIS REAL LIFE?! OH MY GOD FROOME JUST STOPPED ON THAT CLIMB!!
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: R.Griffen on July 14, 2017, 12:47:55 AM
IS THIS REAL LIFE?! OH MY GOD FROOME JUST STOPPED ON THAT CLIMB!!
Aru 2 - Froome 0 excluding time trial
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: PowerBug on July 14, 2017, 12:54:28 AM
IS THIS REAL LIFE?! OH MY GOD FROOME JUST STOPPED ON THAT CLIMB!!
Aru 2 - Froome 0 excluding time trial
Very true. But there's a time trial at the end which may decide it all...

Bardet and Uran still a chance as well.
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: anchorman on July 14, 2017, 02:51:10 PM
Still nobody has attacked Froome.It was a sprint up hill he was beaten in.
I think it is money, money, money that keeps the Sky team going.Almost all the Sky riders could be lead riders for almost any team if the wanted to.Porte left to make his own name after carrying Froome for many years.
I am surprised that the other teams haven't got together and decided to attack Sky as a group and take them out.
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: R.Griffen on July 14, 2017, 09:52:34 PM
after tonight if Aru is still in yellow. Sky riders will be doing less work for a couple days, will give them a nice rest
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: PowerBug on July 14, 2017, 11:42:06 PM
Already seeing a change from Sky with Landa going in the break with Contador. Aru already without teammates. Bardet waiting for a downhill attack hopefully. Attacking on the descent is great to watch!
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: R.Griffen on July 15, 2017, 12:41:02 AM
Cat and mouse cycling this is great to watch. Aru laughing atm
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: PowerBug on July 15, 2017, 01:11:37 AM
Cat and mouse cycling this is great to watch. Aru laughing atm
That was a really good stage! Really happy for Barguil, and Quintana got some time back which is good even though I think he's too far back.

Will be a great next week or so :)
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: R.Griffen on July 16, 2017, 01:26:22 AM
Aru loses time from not being on the front. Bad mistake, Froome in yellow
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: anchorman on July 17, 2017, 06:45:46 PM
Maybe chinks are beginning to appear at Sky. Froome was lucky he had two left when he punctured.He had to do a power of work to get back on.
Not sure what the SBS commentators have against Simon Yates. He is a doing a power of work and still with the main group.He seldom gets a mention.Is it because he is a Pom!!! They keep on about the young South African rider always being in the pack, but seldom mention Yates.Do they have something against O/S?
Great to see Aussie Michael Mathews win a stage the other night as well.A great effort.
Rest night tonight, but back into it tomorrow.Getting into the big hills now I believe so mabye the tactics will change.Maybe we will see Froome attacked more.
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: PowerBug on July 19, 2017, 03:46:32 PM
Tonight is the night I reckon 8) 4 climbs (2, H, 1, H) and then a 20km descent to the finish.
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: PowerBug on July 19, 2017, 06:37:48 PM
And rain is a possibility, even better!!
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: R.Griffen on July 19, 2017, 10:53:19 PM
An Aussie is gonna win Green. Great for Matthews
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: PowerBug on July 19, 2017, 11:53:38 PM
If he makes it to Paris
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: anchorman on July 20, 2017, 06:49:00 PM
I am sure Mathews will make it to Paris.He has ridden very well.He knew when to drop off last night.Worked hard early but didn't push.Picked up the points he needed.
Yates dropped some ground last night to Minjies which could be a concern for OS.He looked tired. I think Yates has done far more work over the journey so far than Minjies. But Yates still has a couple of minutes up his sleeve,but needs a good night tonight.
Froome is till looking good, but he is lucky that Landa is still prepared to back him. Landa looks better than most of the GC riders right now.
Does any body know just how many Aussie riders are competing in the Tour and which teams do they ride for?

Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: R.Griffen on July 20, 2017, 09:56:42 PM
9 Aussie riders started the tour
Bid Number - Rider Name - Team Name - Time off Froome prior to stage 18
#141 - Michael Matthews - Team Sunweb (+2:05:59)
#116 - Jay McCarthy - Bora-Hansgrohe (+2:35:38)
#185 - Simon Clarke - Cannondale Drapac (+2:36:21)
#85 - Damien Howson - Orica Scott (+2:39:17)
#136 - Adam Hansen - Lotto Soudal (2:50:26)
#84 - Matthew Hayman - Orica Scott (3:31:57)
#83 - Luke Durbridge - Orica Scott (DNF)
#41 - Richie Porte - BMC Racing Team (DNF)
#97 - Mark Renshaw - Dimension Data (DNF)
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: anchorman on July 20, 2017, 11:42:45 PM
Thanks Griff.
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: R.Griffen on July 21, 2017, 01:08:16 AM
This tour for Landa is what it was for Froome the last time Wiggins won. Looks better on the bike
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: PowerBug on July 21, 2017, 01:22:10 AM
This tour for Landa is what it was for Froome the last time Wiggins won. Looks better on the bike
And was it last year when Porte was just as good as Froome? Maybe he was slightly lower than Chris. I think that's the Yellow sorted now so I probably won't stay up and watch the remaining stages haha



How about Barguil though! 8)
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: R.Griffen on July 21, 2017, 01:23:01 AM
Well done Froome again. GC, KOM and GJ winners are practically confirmed
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: R.Griffen on July 21, 2017, 01:26:57 AM
This tour for Landa is what it was for Froome the last time Wiggins won. Looks better on the bike
And was it last year when Porte was just as good as Froome? Maybe he was slightly lower than Chris. I think that's the Yellow sorted now so I probably won't stay up and watch the remaining stages haha



How about Barguil though! 8)
Not really Porte was unlucky/slightly struggled early. Froome was a class above everyone last year. Just preps himself for this tour and nothing else. That's why I like the Vuelta a Espana no one really targets that as the main race nearly everyone has done 1 of the grand tours. Plus more exciting for the GC race with better stages
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Post by: PowerBug on July 22, 2017, 11:55:54 PM
Barguil was the first guy that really deserved a stage after the one he so narrowly missed. Edvald Boasson Hagen was another that had a narrow loss and found a victory yesterday. I really hope Bodnar hangs on here, his ride on that flat stage was so so close!
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Post by: anchorman on July 24, 2017, 05:36:19 PM
Great to see Orica Scott pick up the White jersey.I wonder why the Aussie media haven't made a big thing of it, is it because Simon Yates is an English man!!!!!
Not many winners actually ride for a home franchise. Froome is a back omer, but all credit seems to go to him when he has a train that is with out doubt the best in the world. Doesn't seem right that he can win the yellow jersey with out winning a stage.
Full credit to Orica Scott and Simon Yates.Well done.
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: anchorman on July 24, 2017, 05:38:56 PM
A few weeks to recover, then into the Vuelta. More late nights coming.
I wonder how many riders will double up from the TDF to the Vuelta!
I think I heard where the OS team will have both Yates boys in the team.Probably Chavez will ride it as well.
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: R.Griffen on July 24, 2017, 05:43:55 PM
Wasn't my favourite tour but definitely not my least favourite. Keen for the next grand tour. If it is like last years could go down as one of the best

Month wait though :(
Title: Re: " TDF" any one watching the big race?
Post by: anchorman on July 24, 2017, 06:44:06 PM
The "lesser" jersey spot had far more interest than did the yellow jersey. Froome went on training rides almost every day, being protected by a range of riders, who would be GC riders for any other team.
I will follow O/S reports on FB with interest to see who rides for them next.