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Title: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on December 11, 2017, 03:29:20 PM
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First attempt with 11k in the bank.

Chose the 3/5/2/3 players who i think will be the top in there position by seasons end. Birchall and Bennell are my two mid pricers who i think will be good enough to make some great coin and potentially become D/F6 keepers. Have money for one of the first few draft picks in the middle whether it be Rayner/Brayshaw/Dow/Davies-Uniacke and the rest to be cheap rookies.

Let me know what you think.

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Mid Price Watchlist
Def: Birchall, Brayshaw, Wilson, Hanley
Mid: Graham, O'meara, Armitage, Coniglio
FWD: Bennell, Ah Chee, Christensen, Rioli, Delidio, Stringer, Lobb, Robinson, Petrecca, De Goey, Smith
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: enzedder on December 11, 2017, 03:40:21 PM
Like your 3/5/2/3 player thinking.
I reckon you can't go past NicNat and Gawn for value but wouldn't be surprised if Ryder smashes them both on points.
As for the poll I reckon Hurley and Buddy looks the safest bet premo wise.
Good luck for the season.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: crowls on December 11, 2017, 04:31:29 PM
Good team MS.  Nailed the structure.   Now just need to get the rookies right.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: shaker on December 11, 2017, 05:02:17 PM
13 guns I will be going with same structure so I like your team  :P
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Huttabito on December 12, 2017, 01:38:08 PM
Pure Guns, couple of returning injured past premiums and the rest rookies? Gets my approval.

I was super keen on Menagloa however I'm not sure how Ablett will affect him. Huge punt being the top priced forward but that's just nitpicking, nice team!
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on December 12, 2017, 03:33:20 PM
Like your 3/5/2/3 player thinking.
I reckon you can't go past NicNat and Gawn for value but wouldn't be surprised if Ryder smashes them both on points.
As for the poll I reckon Hurley and Buddy looks the safest bet premo wise.
Good luck for the season.
Yeah i would rather Nic Nat and Fyfe over Ryder and Coniglio though so im happy to lose a few points in the ruck department to get a top 5 mid in the midfield from the start of the season.

Good team MS.  Nailed the structure.   Now just need to get the rookies right.
Always the hardest part. Thanks mate.

13 guns I will be going with same structure so I like your team  :P
Cheers mate! always a good first draft the 3/5/2/3 structure.

Pure Guns, couple of returning injured past premiums and the rest rookies? Gets my approval.

I was super keen on Menagloa however I'm not sure how Ablett will affect him. Huge punt being the top priced forward but that's just nitpicking, nice team!

Thanks mate. Yeah Menagola is a bit of a risk with Ablett coming in but i feel as though Ablett may play as more of a half forward role like Motlop and Lang did last season. Obviously a wait and see but with Menegola being the most expensive forward it will always be easy to downgrade him to a Greene or a Billings.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: SilverLion on December 13, 2017, 11:42:02 AM
Sound structure, looks good all round. Can't critique on your mid-pricers as you have listed many that you could swap depending on injuries/JLT form ;D

I'm not sold on Yeo personally. His 102 average is flattered by his great start to last year, and we don't really know what position he'll find himself in. Just a bit too much risk for mine to start straight off the bat.

Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on December 13, 2017, 11:55:11 AM
Sound structure, looks good all round. Can't critique on your mid-pricers as you have listed many that you could swap depending on injuries/JLT form ;D

I'm not sold on Yeo personally. His 102 average is flattered by his great start to last year, and we don't really know what position he'll find himself in. Just a bit too much risk for mine to start straight off the bat.
Haha cheers mate, pretty much have every somewhat viable mid price option on my watchlist haha.

As for Yeo I do agree with you however the backline does not have any locks apart from Laird in my opinion now that Docherty is done for the season.

Yeo is only young and still improving and with Priddis and Mitchell retiring i think there is a chance that midfield minutes could come his way and if he looks like he is playing a non supercoach friendly role i can just downgrade him to someone like Hibberd.

thanks mate :)
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Ringo on December 13, 2017, 03:45:39 PM
Nice team and structure MS. Solid premiums, couple of fallen prems which you have explained and rookies as place holders.

Still not sold on Menengola with the Ablett effect but as you say plenty of alternatives.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on December 13, 2017, 03:49:03 PM
Nice team and structure MS. Solid premiums, couple of fallen prems which you have explained and rookies as place holders.

Still not sold on Menengola with the Ablett effect but as you say plenty of alternatives.
Cheers mate. Look into the Menegola thread for my reason on picking him... at this stage anyways.

thanks mate :)
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: GoLions on December 14, 2017, 01:17:40 AM
Team looks really good. Not really anything to fault at this stage. Keep an eye on Heeney and Bennell i guess haha
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on December 14, 2017, 10:33:07 AM
Team looks really good. Not really anything to fault at this stage. Keep an eye on Heeney and Bennell i guess haha
Cheers mate. Don't you worry about me I will be keeping an eye on every player this off season :P
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on December 14, 2017, 10:44:02 AM
I told my self I wouldn't change my team this season until just before the JLT for a pre JLT side. But Holz has convinced me that starting with Menegola is not a smart option as there is a lot more down side than upside.

'Every year I seem to have one guy i go big time against the grain on, this year its Menegola

no way am i paying 550k for a guy who has played 25 games in his career

He averaged 93 with Selwood in the team in the regular season
He averaged 121 with Selwood out of the team

He averaged 85 in the finals (with selwood)

as others have said now you add Ablett into the squad.


seems absolutely insane to me to pick him up, whats the worse case in not picking him up he averages 100 again?

as long as you dont stuff up the other premo you pick instead its a few points lost. For the same price I can pick up Joel Selwood who has gone 105+ for the last 9 years with 7 of them 110+.

at his price 95 would be considered a passable mark. Danger Ablett Selwood Duncan i can see beating him in SC so barring injury can you see a 5th option at best going 95+?

He is officially Holz's Spud Pick of the year. Not saying he wont go 90+ im just not going near him with all that risk at that price.'


So I have made a few changes and will post shortly.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: GoLions on December 14, 2017, 11:20:43 AM
If 93 is his floor, then I'm happy :P

Buddy - Getting older, will he start to decline? Also, always has a rough patch where he bottoms out and you can pick him up cheaply
Heeney - Just went in for knee surgery...
Greene - Gets suspended way too easily
JJK - Like all KPFs, will drop in price eventually, and you can pick him up cheaper
Wingard - Quite a few new players coming in to the Port 22, and they have the early bye
Billings - Took the next step in 2017, can he go further again in 2018, or will he stay around a 90avg? (i have him as well fwiw)
Gray - Similar to Wingard, also was extremely inconsistent last year playing fwd, could happen again this year
Dixon - Another Port guy, early bye hurts, inconsistent as well so will definitely get cheaper
Dahl - Was poor last year, can he return to his best? (I'm backing him in for the moment)

After Menegola, those guys round out the top 10. Basically all have question marks on them, so I'm very happy to lock in Menegola for the time being.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on December 14, 2017, 11:25:23 AM
If 93 is his floor, then I'm happy :P

Buddy - Getting older, will he start to decline? Also, always has a rough patch where he bottoms out and you can pick him up cheaply
Heeney - Just went in for knee surgery...
Greene - Gets suspended way too easily
JJK - Like all KPFs, will drop in price eventually, and you can pick him up cheaper
Wingard - Quite a few new players coming in to the Port 22, and they have the early bye
Billings - Took the next step in 2017, can he go further again in 2018, or will he stay around a 90avg? (i have him as well fwiw)
Gray - Similar to Wingard, also was extremely inconsistent last year playing fwd, could happen again this year
Dixon - Another Port guy, early bye hurts, inconsistent as well so will definitely get cheaper
Dahl - Was poor last year, can he return to his best? (I'm backing him in for the moment)

After Menegola, those guys round out the top 10. Basically all have question marks on them, so I'm very happy to lock in Menegola for the time being.
Good Points but still think I will pass on Menegola.

Buddy is a gun, Heeney is only going to improve. Played with shot knees last season and still was a top 3 forward so he can do anything, Greene could be the top forward come seasons end if he doesnt get suspended which hopefully he will improve on as he matures.

Not touching Port/Gold Coast premiums at this stage.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on December 14, 2017, 11:32:16 AM
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Cash: $11,900

Few changes made here. Main one is Menegola out and Greene in.

If Greene doesn't get suspended which I think is a decent chance with him aging and maturing each and every year I think he has a good a chance of anyone to be the number one forward comes seasons end.

Rayner in the midfield gives me a DP link nice and early in the season which is always a bonus.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Ringo on December 14, 2017, 03:26:17 PM
Nice team here MS although I thought you would have found a place in mids for your trusted player  :D

Josh Kelly an interesting selection though but may come off.

Now to nail the rookies.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on December 14, 2017, 04:10:09 PM
Nice team here MS although I thought you would have found a place in mids for your trusted player  :D

Josh Kelly an interesting selection though but may come off.

Now to nail the rookies.
Don't you worry mate I'm sure he will have the VC next to his name come round 1.

Kelly is young and only going to improve. I'm banking on him as being somewhat of a pod. Smith, Kennedy, Johnson, Mzungu and Wilson are no longer at the club and all of them would have rotated into the midfield meaning that Kelly could see even more minutes into the midfield. I am confident that he will be a top 10 midfielder and actually have him ranking 5th for most points come seasons end in my predictions.

Nailing the rookies is always the hardest part.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: SilverLion on December 15, 2017, 02:16:56 PM
3 most expensive backs, 3 of the 4 most expensive mids and 3 of the 4 most expensive forwards.

Very interesting, based on previous years it is rare for such a large number of the top players to remain the best. I would strongly consider downgrading one in each line, not necessarily to a mid pricer or rookie, could even be to a cheaper prem. This would give you the funds to strengthen your midfield, as IMO 3 rookies on the ground in the MID is stretching it a bit, as the midfield as we know is the where the largest amount of points come from.

Also, I'd steer clear of Greene for now personally, way too much risk for his price.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on December 15, 2017, 04:32:00 PM
3 most expensive backs, 3 of the 4 most expensive mids and 3 of the 4 most expensive forwards.

Very interesting, based on previous years it is rare for such a large number of the top players to remain the best. I would strongly consider downgrading one in each line, not necessarily to a mid pricer or rookie, could even be to a cheaper prem. This would give you the funds to strengthen your midfield, as IMO 3 rookies on the ground in the MID is stretching it a bit, as the midfield as we know is the where the largest amount of points come from.

Also, I'd steer clear of Greene for now personally, way too much risk for his price.
100% agree with you. Main reasoning behind it is I've gotten my structure the way I like it and now when it comes to the JLT I won't need to upgrade at all because I already have the most expensive players if that makes sense???

Hibberd over Hurley
Billings and Dahlhaus over Franklin and Greene
Are both likely but I'd rather downgrade then upgrade.

Greene I actually think could be a good pick with the new MRP rules haha.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: SilverLion on December 15, 2017, 07:37:18 PM
3 most expensive backs, 3 of the 4 most expensive mids and 3 of the 4 most expensive forwards.

Very interesting, based on previous years it is rare for such a large number of the top players to remain the best. I would strongly consider downgrading one in each line, not necessarily to a mid pricer or rookie, could even be to a cheaper prem. This would give you the funds to strengthen your midfield, as IMO 3 rookies on the ground in the MID is stretching it a bit, as the midfield as we know is the where the largest amount of points come from.

Also, I'd steer clear of Greene for now personally, way too much risk for his price.
100% agree with you. Main reasoning behind it is I've gotten my structure the way I like it and now when it comes to the JLT I won't need to upgrade at all because I already have the most expensive players if that makes sense???

Hibberd over Hurley
Billings and Dahlhaus over Franklin and Greene
Are both likely but I'd rather downgrade then upgrade.

Greene I actually think could be a good pick with the new MRP rules haha.

Ah fair enough then, suppose it's good that you've left your options open in that sense.

Guarantee he'll still find a way to cop weeks ;)
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on December 16, 2017, 12:19:58 AM
3 most expensive backs, 3 of the 4 most expensive mids and 3 of the 4 most expensive forwards.

Very interesting, based on previous years it is rare for such a large number of the top players to remain the best. I would strongly consider downgrading one in each line, not necessarily to a mid pricer or rookie, could even be to a cheaper prem. This would give you the funds to strengthen your midfield, as IMO 3 rookies on the ground in the MID is stretching it a bit, as the midfield as we know is the where the largest amount of points come from.

Also, I'd steer clear of Greene for now personally, way too much risk for his price.
100% agree with you. Main reasoning behind it is I've gotten my structure the way I like it and now when it comes to the JLT I won't need to upgrade at all because I already have the most expensive players if that makes sense???

Hibberd over Hurley
Billings and Dahlhaus over Franklin and Greene
Are both likely but I'd rather downgrade then upgrade.

Greene I actually think could be a good pick with the new MRP rules haha.

Ah fair enough then, suppose it's good that you've left your options open in that sense.

Guarantee he'll still find a way to cop weeks ;)
Haha! No doubt he will ;D

Only reason Menegola isn't in the team is because he has only played 25 games and doesn't score well with Selwood in the team and with Ablett coming in it could be worse whereas other premiums have had a few years at the top and therefore are much more reliable.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on December 18, 2017, 12:16:23 PM
As I am pretty set on my side at the moment I thought I would do a little write up on why I have chosen the players I have chosen...

PART 1: DEFENDERS

Michael Hurley: Although Hurley started his career as a forward he was then trialled down back and then used as a swingman for his early years at the bombers which resulted in a lot of variation is his supercoach scoring. After the year off, he played almost permanently as a Backman which saw his scores become more consistent with 73 being his lowest score for the season and an average of 107.6 from round 5 onwards. He is in his prime and with a stronger Essendon team he may get even more intercept marks than last season with more pressured kicks coming into the backline. I think he is worth the high price tag at this stage and can’t see why he wouldn’t average 100+ again this season. 

Elliot Yeo: Last season he had some variation between his best and his worst with 5 scores being 120+ and 4 scores 80 or below. Hopefully this season as he gets one more year of preseason under his belt he can get rid of those low scores and add some more of those high ones. At 24 he could easily breakout again and become a lock down back. One would assume he is destined for more midfield minutes with both Priddis and Mitchell retiring which means more of the pill and therefore more points. Confident in him at this stage but if he seems to be playing a role that isn’t supercoach friendly over the JLT he will be out of my side.

Rory Laird: One of my supercoach love child’s after picking him for the last 2 seasons. Has averaged 90+ for the past 3 seasons and he is only 23 years of age. Scored above 120 seven times last season with 10 games at 110 or more and only scored below 70 once. Smith being out for the season doesn’t help but Gibbs coming in does. He won’t be that high on other people’s tagging lists with Sloane, Crouch brothers and now Gibbs probably receiving the tag first meaning that he will be allowed to run free and continue to get plenty of those 30+ possession 110+ point games in 2018. Was the first picked in my side this year believe it or not.

Grant Birchall: Honestly, I am not sold on Birchall. I think a 75-80 average is what we can expect from him this season although I do think he is a good chance to play 20+ games. The question is does that make him worth a spot in my side? He will score 10 more points per game than a rookie who is 150K less than him but he does have security which rookies don't as he is without a doubt in the hawks best 22. On the other hand for 150K more you could get someone who is a real chance at being a premium and scoring 10-15 points more per game (think Hanley). Currently he fits my structure but by no means will he be in my side come round one.

Ed Richards: I don’t usually lock rookies in this early but with Murphy and Boyd retiring two spots are left open and this kid is a red-hot chance to take one. The best part about this is the role he is likely to play is very supercoach friendly as well. He will play a rebounding defender role which is possibly the best role for a defender to play in terms of supercoach. Docherty, Laird and Hibberd all played that role last season and it turned out well for them. Averaging 70 and playing all games up until his bye doesn’t seem like to big a stretch and at 135k he is locked in my side as a D5-D6 assuming he lines up round 1.

Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on December 19, 2017, 10:15:42 AM
PART 2: MIDFIELDERS

Patrick Dangerfield: I have seen a few teams without him on this site which makes me happy because I know that they are teams I am going to beat. I don’t care how expensive he is he scored 138 or more in 15/21 games last season. I just don’t get peoples reasoning for not starting him. LOCK!

Dustin Martin: He is currently in my side for two reasons. 1 is his scoring ability which is evident with him scoring 120 or more in half his games last season. The second reason is he is just so good to watch, like many others I am fan girling over Dusty and I just want him in my team. Scoring may drop off a bit but he will be a top 5 midfielder without a doubt in my mind (I have him ranked 4th this season) So I may as well start with him and have another captain option from the get go.

Tom Mitchell: This guy is one of the few picks I got right last season bringing him in as my first upgrade after round 5/6. In my opinion he will average more this season than last because he will be playing in a team that will be winning more games. The only thing that stopped him from averaging 130 last season was his disposal efficiency and although it probably wont improve drastically him being in a stronger team that should win more games has to help.

Josh Kelly: This is the guy I am least confident in as he has only had one season as a super-premium. In saying that he is only 22 years of age and is still improving. The fact that he scored 176 in a game last season is the reason he is in my team at this stage because if he can become more consistent and have a couple more games that are 150+ he will be a top 5 mid for sure. The fact that 88 was his lowest score last season is also a bonus because it outlines that he doesn’t have bad games.

Nathan Fyfe: I think people are forgetting how good a player Fyfe is. In 2014/15 he averaged over 120 as a 22/23 year old. After the byes last season he averaged 121.3 and I can’t see why he won’t continue that form into next season. Thought he would be in pretty much every team but I am happy he isn’t. 597k for a return of a 120 average is good enough for me.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: SilverLion on December 19, 2017, 10:54:35 AM
Patrick Dangerfield: I have seen a few teams without him on this site which makes me happy because I know that they are teams I am going to beat. I don’t care how expensive he is he scored 138 or more in 15/21 games last season. I just don’t get peoples reasoning for not starting him. LOCK!

Still not totally sold on this. I started without him last year which people viewed as crazy just as it appears people are doing this year. However, Danger started last year with the following scores:

138, 140, 138, 90, 120, 65, 110, 112, 151 (118.2 average)

After which I brought him in at a price of $586k (Dropped $135k from starting price)

The only issue was that the midfielders I chose instead of him were largely failures (Hannebery, Treloar).

I think provided you are able to pick other options in your mids that can average 110+, you can get away with not starting Danger, as it is inevitable he will go down in price over the first half a dozen rounds (unless he goes 140+ every week, but even so, not the end of the world). The bonus advantage of this is if Danger starts poorly or gets injured, you're well ahead of the pack. Even if Danger did start the year on fire, provided you have chosen wisely, the point difference won't be that noticeable.

Example:

Zorko ($608k) + Coniglio ($450k) + 117k Rookie  ($1.175m)
110 + 100 + 65 = 275

Danger ($750k) + Armitage ($310k) + 117k Rookie ($1.167m)
130 + 80 + 65 = 275

The key arguement against not picking Danger is the captain scores, however again there are other reliable options who'll often go 120+ (Crouch, Zorko, Mitchell, Martin, Fyfe), so overall I'd say the advantages for not picking Danger slightly out way the disadvantages.

Thats the logic I used last year, which turned out to work well, but of course it could easily backfire this year.

Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: DCAK on December 19, 2017, 10:59:55 AM
Patrick Dangerfield: I have seen a few teams without him on this site which makes me happy because I know that they are teams I am going to beat. I don’t care how expensive he is he scored 138 or more in 15/21 games last season. I just don’t get peoples reasoning for not starting him. LOCK!

Still not totally sold on this. I started without him last year which people viewed as crazy just as it appears people are doing this year. However, Danger started last year with the following scores:

138, 140, 138, 90, 120, 65, 110, 112, 151 (118.2 average)

After which I brought him in at a price of $586k (Dropped $135k from starting price)

The only issue was that the midfielders I chose instead of him were largely failures (Hannebery, Treloar).

I think provided you are able to pick other options in your mids that can average 110+, you can get away with not starting Danger, as it is inevitable he will go down in price over the first half a dozen rounds (unless he goes 140+ every week, but even so, not the end of the world). The bonus advantage of this is if Danger starts poorly or gets injured, you're well ahead of the pack. Even if Danger did start the year on fire, provided you have chosen wisely, the point difference won't be that noticeable.

Example:

Zorko ($608k) + Coniglio ($450k) + 117k Rookie  ($1.175m)
110 + 100 + 65 = 275

Danger ($750k) + Armitage ($310k) + 117k Rookie ($1.167m)
130 + 80 + 65 = 275

The key arguement against not picking Danger is the captain scores, however again there are other reliable options who'll often go 120+ (Crouch, Zorko, Mitchell, Martin, Fyfe), so overall I'd say the advantages for not picking Danger slightly out way the disadvantages.

Thats the logic I used last year, which turned out to work well, but of course it could easily backfire this year.

It is not inevitable that Dangerfield's price will drop.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on December 19, 2017, 12:33:48 PM
Patrick Dangerfield: I have seen a few teams without him on this site which makes me happy because I know that they are teams I am going to beat. I don’t care how expensive he is he scored 138 or more in 15/21 games last season. I just don’t get peoples reasoning for not starting him. LOCK!

Still not totally sold on this. I started without him last year which people viewed as crazy just as it appears people are doing this year. However, Danger started last year with the following scores:

138, 140, 138, 90, 120, 65, 110, 112, 151 (118.2 average)

After which I brought him in at a price of $586k (Dropped $135k from starting price)

The only issue was that the midfielders I chose instead of him were largely failures (Hannebery, Treloar).

I think provided you are able to pick other options in your mids that can average 110+, you can get away with not starting Danger, as it is inevitable he will go down in price over the first half a dozen rounds (unless he goes 140+ every week, but even so, not the end of the world). The bonus advantage of this is if Danger starts poorly or gets injured, you're well ahead of the pack. Even if Danger did start the year on fire, provided you have chosen wisely, the point difference won't be that noticeable.

Example:

Zorko ($608k) + Coniglio ($450k) + 117k Rookie  ($1.175m)
110 + 100 + 65 = 275

Danger ($750k) + Armitage ($310k) + 117k Rookie ($1.167m)
130 + 80 + 65 = 275

The key arguement against not picking Danger is the captain scores, however again there are other reliable options who'll often go 120+ (Crouch, Zorko, Mitchell, Martin, Fyfe), so overall I'd say the advantages for not picking Danger slightly out way the disadvantages.

Thats the logic I used last year, which turned out to work well, but of course it could easily backfire this year.
I also had Hanners and Trealor last year so I know how you feel on that one :(

118.2 would have still been one of the top averages in the leauge by round 9 and although he did drop in price I would rather just start him so I don't need to worry about finding a way to get him later in the season because this season rookies could flop or Danger could come out on fire and it could mean that you have to use upwards of 3 trades to get him in which is just a waste of trades in my opinion if you have the opportunity to start him from the get go.

Also I think he would have been in the top 3-4 scorers in rounds 1, 2, 3 and 9 looking at those scores so even though you could get lucky and pick the right captain for those rounds it would be so much easier just to put the VC or C on him and make sure you aren't falling behind the pack from the get go.

You make a valid point saying that you could use the extra 150k else where but for me I would personally take Danger/Rayner over Merrett/O'meara which is what I would probably do if I didn't use Danger. Just think it is more of a risk to start without Danger than it is to start with him.


Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: SilverLion on December 19, 2017, 04:21:37 PM
Patrick Dangerfield: I have seen a few teams without him on this site which makes me happy because I know that they are teams I am going to beat. I don’t care how expensive he is he scored 138 or more in 15/21 games last season. I just don’t get peoples reasoning for not starting him. LOCK!

Still not totally sold on this. I started without him last year which people viewed as crazy just as it appears people are doing this year. However, Danger started last year with the following scores:

138, 140, 138, 90, 120, 65, 110, 112, 151 (118.2 average)

After which I brought him in at a price of $586k (Dropped $135k from starting price)

The only issue was that the midfielders I chose instead of him were largely failures (Hannebery, Treloar).

I think provided you are able to pick other options in your mids that can average 110+, you can get away with not starting Danger, as it is inevitable he will go down in price over the first half a dozen rounds (unless he goes 140+ every week, but even so, not the end of the world). The bonus advantage of this is if Danger starts poorly or gets injured, you're well ahead of the pack. Even if Danger did start the year on fire, provided you have chosen wisely, the point difference won't be that noticeable.

Example:

Zorko ($608k) + Coniglio ($450k) + 117k Rookie  ($1.175m)
110 + 100 + 65 = 275

Danger ($750k) + Armitage ($310k) + 117k Rookie ($1.167m)
130 + 80 + 65 = 275

The key arguement against not picking Danger is the captain scores, however again there are other reliable options who'll often go 120+ (Crouch, Zorko, Mitchell, Martin, Fyfe), so overall I'd say the advantages for not picking Danger slightly out way the disadvantages.

Thats the logic I used last year, which turned out to work well, but of course it could easily backfire this year.
I also had Hanners and Trealor last year so I know how you feel on that one :(

118.2 would have still been one of the top averages in the leauge by round 9 and although he did drop in price I would rather just start him so I don't need to worry about finding a way to get him later in the season because this season rookies could flop or Danger could come out on fire and it could mean that you have to use upwards of 3 trades to get him in which is just a waste of trades in my opinion if you have the opportunity to start him from the get go.

Also I think he would have been in the top 3-4 scorers in rounds 1, 2, 3 and 9 looking at those scores so even though you could get lucky and pick the right captain for those rounds it would be so much easier just to put the VC or C on him and make sure you aren't falling behind the pack from the get go.

You make a valid point saying that you could use the extra 150k else where but for me I would personally take Danger/Rayner over Merrett/O'meara which is what I would probably do if I didn't use Danger. Just think it is more of a risk to start without Danger than it is to start with him.

Yup he was around the top, but not 10+ points higher than anyone else like he is now ;)

I suppose you're right though, but I can definitely see reasons to pick him and reasons not to.

Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Edgeovertherest on December 19, 2017, 05:07:28 PM
I personally sit in the "Start Dangerfield" camp but I can also see why you wouldn't start him because of what happened last year and how he is 100k higher than the 2nd ranked player. Keep in mind that he was injured for a few games which lowered his output so his starting output may increase meaning his price might not drop that much.

I was listening to the Dr.Supercoach podcast and one of the members gave a pretty good summary on why you should pick him up
Basically...
1. Danger was without a doubt the best SC player last player with a difference of about 15 points between 1st and 2nd (Martin) in terms of avg
2. Danger missed 1 game but his total score was still 200 points higher than Martin's
3. He may be 740k+ but he is there for a reason and he is unlikely to drop his output when compared to Martin who has won every award under the sun last season meaning his output may lower a bit. Danger on the other hand may be more pumped next year with Geelong.

They went more in depth and they gave more reasons (the other 2 were also convinced by his speech) which in turn ended up convincing me as well.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on December 19, 2017, 05:21:57 PM
I personally sit in the "Start Dangerfield" camp but I can also see why you wouldn't start him because of what happened last year and how he is 100k higher than the 2nd ranked player. Keep in mind that he was injured for a few games which lowered his output so his starting output may increase meaning his price might not drop that much.

I was listening to the Dr.Supercoach podcast and one of the members gave a pretty good summary on why you should pick him up
Basically...
1. Danger was without a doubt the best SC player last player with a difference of about 15 points between 1st and 2nd (Martin) in terms of avg
2. Danger missed 1 game but his total score was still 200 points higher than Martin's
3. He may be 740k+ but he is there for a reason and he is unlikely to drop his output when compared to Martin who has won every award under the sun last season meaning his output may lower a bit. Danger on the other hand may be more pumped next year with Geelong.

They went more in depth and they gave more reasons (the other 2 were also convinced by his speech) which in turn ended up convincing me as well.
Yeah it is just easier to start Danger than it is too not start him. Worst case scenario he plays one game and gets injured but you could literally trade him to anyone if he does and even if he has a bad start to the season and only averages 110 or so (yes that is a bad start for danger ;)) he will still be one of the top scorers regardless.

Yeah you could pick him up cheaper but you could pick up pretty much any mid premium at a cheaper price than what they started.

Im sure Martin/Mitchell/Kelly etc. will all drop in price too.

Pretty much what I am saying is no matter what I am starting Danger :P
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: crowls on December 19, 2017, 05:48:37 PM
Spot on MS,  all prems and superprems tend to drop in price over the year as a function of the way scoring works.   Pretty sure you will pick up Martin for a fair bit less at some stage as well.  On the other hand cognilio is underpriced, Beams is probably underpriced, Pendles is another.   
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on December 19, 2017, 06:06:23 PM
Spot on MS,  all prems and superprems tend to drop in price over the year as a function of the way scoring works.   Pretty sure you will pick up Martin for a fair bit less at some stage as well.  On the other hand cognilio is underpriced, Beams is probably underpriced, Pendles is another.
Add Selwood and Cripps too that list.

But you can't pick a team of players like that either.

You need a couple of the dangers/martins/Mitchell's in your team. After all they are that price for a reason.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on December 20, 2017, 03:33:46 PM
PART 3: RUCKS

Not really much to talk about here as I have went with a pretty generic combo.

Max Gawn: Would have picked him even if he was 100k more this season to be honest. In 2016 he went 140+ on 7 occasions which made him an incredible VC/C option and that was at the age of 23 he is now 25 and heading into his prime which means he could dominate opposition rucks more often which means more big scores. I see his discounted price as a bonus and don’t see him as a concern due to injury as it seems to be a one off.

Nic Nat: If he is fit you can just about lock in a 100-105 average which would easily be a top 5 ruck option and good enough to be a keeper but obviously that is where the risk lies. The thing that I like about Nic Nat is that everyone (50% of the comp) will pick him which means that if he does go down most of your opposition will be in the same boat. So although there is a chance he gets injured and those that don’t start him will get a jump on the pack I am happy to back him in for 18-20 games at a 100 average which should be good enough for the season.

Tim English: He is in because he played a few games late last year and even though he will probably only be good for 60 points if he plays it is better than a donut. Obviously if any other rookies get up for round 1 then they will be considered.

Ideally Nic Nat to Ryder is something I would do after ports early bye but obviously that would be a luxury.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on December 21, 2017, 11:41:10 AM
PART 4: FORWARDS

Lance Franklin: Obviously he is a key position forward which means he will have a few games where he kills it (3 games at 160+ last season) and he will have a few stinkers (2 games a below 50) but in saying that I believe he has every chance of being the number one forward come seasons end. He averaged 88.5 in the 8 losses Sydney had last season but in the 14 wins he averaged 104.1 and I think Sydney will improve on last season which is why I think Franklin could go 100+.

Isaac Heeney: This guy would be in pretty much every supercoach team at the moment if it wasn’t for his interrupted preseason however he has shown that no matter how interrupted his preseason may be he is always going to perform on game day. After returning from glandular fever he scored: 75, 107, 116 and then 130. If he started the season like that this season I would well and truly take that. He is only 21 and will only improve.

Toby Greene: My one and only concern with Greene is him getting ruled out by suspension but with the MRP rule changes I think he could finally play a full season. He has already averaged above 100 before in 2014 showing that he is a genuine chance for the #1 mantle at the end of the season based on average but the problem is him missing games. If he doesn’t get suspended which I am backing him to do I think anything is possible. He has only just turned 24 which is when most players start hitting there peak. He is a risk but at this stage I am willing to take it.

Harley Bennell: Injury is the only concern here as we all know his scoring potential. If he can stay on the park he is a genuine top 10 forward chance and I rate him much more highly than Christensen and Ah Chee who are the other two chances at his price. I am backing him in for a good season with a full preseason and one year left on his contract it is now or never for Bennell. He is a risk but at this stage I am willing to take it.

Jack Higgins: As I said with Richards, I don’t usually have rookies locked in my side from round 1 but if Higgins is named round 1 he is. He broke the Champion Data record with him scoring 100+ in 29/32 games during junior footy showing that he doesn’t have a bad game. Only problem is he is at Richmond who already have a plethora of small forwards.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Peter on December 22, 2017, 12:33:18 PM
Another point to consider is Heeney always starts games well and has a stack of DT and SC points up by half-time. With the way the scoring works, he usually got to 100 points, even if he tired in the second half
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on December 22, 2017, 02:17:40 PM
Another point to consider is Heeney always starts games well and has a stack of DT and SC points up by half-time. With the way the scoring works, he usually got to 100 points, even if he tired in the second half
Was not aware of that but it is good insight. Generally games are one in the first half therefore points will be worth more? is that what you are saying?

Obviously not true in close games...
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Peter on December 22, 2017, 04:49:59 PM
Yes, that is what I am saying. For a forward to be on 65-70 points at half time, as he was time and again, he didn't have to star in the second half to get to 90-100. In close games, the major points in the second half will go to the player instrumental in winning the game, but if you watch the first half of SC scores, if you start well, you will generally go close to 100+. As I had him in SC, RDT and AF from the start of 2017, really helped in piling up the points. Had Franklin as well for the whole season and had to rely on him coming home hard in games, scoring goals, to get a decent score and no way am I going to put myself through that again!
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on December 23, 2017, 10:41:59 AM
Yes, that is what I am saying. For a forward to be on 65-70 points at half time, as he was time and again, he didn't have to star in the second half to get to 90-100. In close games, the major points in the second half will go to the player instrumental in winning the game, but if you watch the first half of SC scores, if you start well, you will generally go close to 100+. As I had him in SC, RDT and AF from the start of 2017, really helped in piling up the points. Had Franklin as well for the whole season and had to rely on him coming home hard in games, scoring goals, to get a decent score and no way am I going to put myself through that again!
That's really good to know! Thanks mate! However, I am confident that Franklin will have a good year even if it is 140 one week
And 60 the next.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: SilverLion on December 23, 2017, 04:33:54 PM
Yes, that is what I am saying. For a forward to be on 65-70 points at half time, as he was time and again, he didn't have to star in the second half to get to 90-100. In close games, the major points in the second half will go to the player instrumental in winning the game, but if you watch the first half of SC scores, if you start well, you will generally go close to 100+. As I had him in SC, RDT and AF from the start of 2017, really helped in piling up the points. Had Franklin as well for the whole season and had to rely on him coming home hard in games, scoring goals, to get a decent score and no way am I going to put myself through that again!
That's really good to know! Thanks mate! However, I am confident that Franklin will have a good year even if it is 140 one week
And 60 the next.

Tbh, that doesn't seem to be too bad this year for a starting forward prem, he looks like a better option than most. Would juuust take Heeney over him though.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Peter on December 24, 2017, 10:06:01 AM
Also Sydney have very tough draw for first few rounds, so may be able to pick up Franklin as a cheapie later
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Peter on December 25, 2017, 09:21:43 AM
They could very easily be 0-6 again, although they haven’t got the injury issues this pre-season, according to all reports
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on December 25, 2017, 06:50:39 PM
They could very easily be 0-6 again, although they haven’t got the injury issues this pre-season, according to all reports
Since Franklin has been a swan he has averaged 93.5 against the 6 teams he verses first up. Not great but I'll take it at this stage.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Peter on December 26, 2017, 05:40:01 PM
Fair enough, but I’ll take Heeney, at this time
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on January 09, 2018, 10:36:25 AM
Version 3

def: Hurley, Yeo, Laird, Birchall, Richards, Doedee (Murphy, Garner)
mid: Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Kelly, Fyfe, Rayner, Ahern, Freeman (Kelly, Walker, Worpel)
ruck: Gawn, Nic Nat (Cameron)
fwd: Heeney, Franklin, Greene, Christensen, Higgins, Venables (Daniels, Ryan)
cash: $10,200

A few changes made main one is Chrsitensen in for Bennell. I looked at Ah Chee but I'm not confident that he has it in him to average 80+ whereas Christensen has in the past. Have also had more of a look at the rookies that i think are likely to get games.

Bye structure is 4/5/6 for premiums (including Birchall and Christensen) which is perfect in my eyes.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: SilverLion on January 09, 2018, 10:40:12 AM
Version 3

def: Hurley, Yeo, Laird, Birchall, Richards, Doedee (Murphy, Garner)
mid: Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Kelly, Fyfe, Rayner, Ahern, Freeman (Kelly, Walker, Worpel)
ruck: Gawn, Nic Nat (Cameron)
fwd: Heeney, Franklin, Greene, Christensen, Higgins, Venables (Daniels, Ryan)
cash: $10,200

A few changes made main one is Chrsitensen in for Bennell. I looked at Ah Chee but I'm not confident that he has it in him to average 80+ whereas Christensen has in the past. Have also had more of a look at the rookies that i think are likely to get games.
Great side with strong DEFs and FWDs. Feel you're probably one mid prem short though (Cripps?).
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on January 09, 2018, 10:48:09 AM
Although having another midfielder would be ideal I think that this season in particular will be stacked with midfield rookies that are capable of scoring well so I have decided that I would prefer to go one short in the midfield to allow me to get the right rookies.

Also gives me some time to get the Oliver and Kelly’s of 2018 in my side rather than only having two positions to fill.

Definitely understand where you’re coming from though as I could fall behind the pack early.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Peter on January 09, 2018, 02:20:55 PM
I agree with MS - presuming the top 4 draft picks all start, you can afford to go one less in mids to strengthen backs and forwards. Great team MS!
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on January 09, 2018, 05:59:34 PM
I agree with MS - presuming the top 4 draft picks all start, you can afford to go one less in mids to strengthen backs and forwards. Great team MS!
Thanks mate. Looking at rookies this year I just can’t see any defender rookies (apart from Doedee) that look like viable options on the field so that is the reason why I’m going with one less mid premium as it allows me to get an extra premium in my defence. It is also the reason I’m going with Birchall as although I am not sold on many defender rookies getting games and at least Birchall will play and score 70+ most weeks.

I know rookies always pop up each year but I think the only rookie priced players that look like a genuine chance are key position players and I don’t want them in my team.

Obviously if more rookies pop up I might change my structure around a bit but I would rather start out with a “safe” line up.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: crowls on January 09, 2018, 06:08:17 PM
I agree with MS - presuming the top 4 draft picks all start, you can afford to go one less in mids to strengthen backs and forwards. Great team MS!
Thanks mate. Looking at rookies this year I just can’t see any defender rookies (apart from Doedee) that look like viable options on the field so that is the reason why I’m going with one less mid premium as it allows me to get an extra premium in my defence. It is also the reason I’m going with Birchall as although I am not sold on many defender rookies getting games and at least Birchall will play and score 70+ most weeks.

I know rookies always pop up each year but I think the only rookie priced players that look like a genuine chance are key position players and I don’t want them in my team.

Obviously if more rookies pop up I might change my structure around a bit but I would rather start out with a “safe” line up.
Think you have done better teams MS.    Hurley is priced at his peak and just don't like taking KPP; little own at their peak.    Rather Yeo (later) or Simmo or Williams.     Like the mid approach and gives you flexibility. 
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on January 10, 2018, 09:48:01 AM
I agree with MS - presuming the top 4 draft picks all start, you can afford to go one less in mids to strengthen backs and forwards. Great team MS!
Thanks mate. Looking at rookies this year I just can’t see any defender rookies (apart from Doedee) that look like viable options on the field so that is the reason why I’m going with one less mid premium as it allows me to get an extra premium in my defence. It is also the reason I’m going with Birchall as although I am not sold on many defender rookies getting games and at least Birchall will play and score 70+ most weeks.

I know rookies always pop up each year but I think the only rookie priced players that look like a genuine chance are key position players and I don’t want them in my team.

Obviously if more rookies pop up I might change my structure around a bit but I would rather start out with a “safe” line up.
Think you have done better teams MS.    Hurley is priced at his peak and just don't like taking KPP; little own at their peak.    Rather Yeo (later) or Simmo or Williams.     Like the mid approach and gives you flexibility.
Thanks for the feedback Crowls, I appreciate it.

On Hurley, His lowest score for the season was 73 which means he didn't have a bad game. He averaged 107.6 from round 5 onwards so believe it or not he could increase his average by 5 although I am not expecting that haha. He is in his prime with an Essendon team that will be more competitive this season than last meaning he could get even more intercept marks from rushed opposition kicks. So for now he stays.

Hibberd is the guy I would bring in for him because he was a top 6 defender last year and he has even more upside this year.




Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: SilverLion on January 10, 2018, 10:21:30 AM
I agree with MS - presuming the top 4 draft picks all start, you can afford to go one less in mids to strengthen backs and forwards. Great team MS!
Thanks mate. Looking at rookies this year I just can’t see any defender rookies (apart from Doedee) that look like viable options on the field so that is the reason why I’m going with one less mid premium as it allows me to get an extra premium in my defence. It is also the reason I’m going with Birchall as although I am not sold on many defender rookies getting games and at least Birchall will play and score 70+ most weeks.

I know rookies always pop up each year but I think the only rookie priced players that look like a genuine chance are key position players and I don’t want them in my team.

Obviously if more rookies pop up I might change my structure around a bit but I would rather start out with a “safe” line up.
Think you have done better teams MS.    Hurley is priced at his peak and just don't like taking KPP; little own at their peak.    Rather Yeo (later) or Simmo or Williams.     Like the mid approach and gives you flexibility.
Thanks for the feedback Crowls, I appreciate it.

On Hurley, His lowest score for the season was 73 which means he didn't have a bad game. He averaged 107.6 from round 5 onwards so believe it or not he could increase his average by 5 although I am not expecting that haha. He is in his prime with an Essendon team that will be more competitive this season than last meaning he could get even more intercept marks from rushed opposition kicks. So for now he stays.

Hibberd is the guy I would bring in for him because he was a top 6 defender last year and he has even more upside this year.

Do like the Hurley selection, I think most would agree he will finish the year as a top 5 defender, so hard to fault selecting him from the start.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: crowls on January 10, 2018, 10:33:08 AM
I agree with MS - presuming the top 4 draft picks all start, you can afford to go one less in mids to strengthen backs and forwards. Great team MS!
Thanks mate. Looking at rookies this year I just can’t see any defender rookies (apart from Doedee) that look like viable options on the field so that is the reason why I’m going with one less mid premium as it allows me to get an extra premium in my defence. It is also the reason I’m going with Birchall as although I am not sold on many defender rookies getting games and at least Birchall will play and score 70+ most weeks.

I know rookies always pop up each year but I think the only rookie priced players that look like a genuine chance are key position players and I don’t want them in my team.

Obviously if more rookies pop up I might change my structure around a bit but I would rather start out with a “safe” line up.
Think you have done better teams MS.    Hurley is priced at his peak and just don't like taking KPP; little own at their peak.    Rather Yeo (later) or Simmo or Williams.     Like the mid approach and gives you flexibility.
Thanks for the feedback Crowls, I appreciate it.

On Hurley, His lowest score for the season was 73 which means he didn't have a bad game. He averaged 107.6 from round 5 onwards so believe it or not he could increase his average by 5 although I am not expecting that haha. He is in his prime with an Essendon team that will be more competitive this season than last meaning he could get even more intercept marks from rushed opposition kicks. So for now he stays.

Hibberd is the guy I would bring in for him because he was a top 6 defender last year and he has even more upside this year.

Do like the Hurley selection, I think most would agree he will finish the year as a top 5 defender, so hard to fault selecting him from the start.
Hurley will be in my team come EOY, i am not wanting to overpay for him.   So if timing works out somewhere between rnd 8 - 15 at about 480K  save 80k on buy in price.  Nothing wrong with starting him ecept paying top dollar for defenders.  Extra cash goes into having a better f4 or m6
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: SilverLion on January 10, 2018, 10:36:39 AM
I agree with MS - presuming the top 4 draft picks all start, you can afford to go one less in mids to strengthen backs and forwards. Great team MS!
Thanks mate. Looking at rookies this year I just can’t see any defender rookies (apart from Doedee) that look like viable options on the field so that is the reason why I’m going with one less mid premium as it allows me to get an extra premium in my defence. It is also the reason I’m going with Birchall as although I am not sold on many defender rookies getting games and at least Birchall will play and score 70+ most weeks.

I know rookies always pop up each year but I think the only rookie priced players that look like a genuine chance are key position players and I don’t want them in my team.

Obviously if more rookies pop up I might change my structure around a bit but I would rather start out with a “safe” line up.
Think you have done better teams MS.    Hurley is priced at his peak and just don't like taking KPP; little own at their peak.    Rather Yeo (later) or Simmo or Williams.     Like the mid approach and gives you flexibility.
Thanks for the feedback Crowls, I appreciate it.

On Hurley, His lowest score for the season was 73 which means he didn't have a bad game. He averaged 107.6 from round 5 onwards so believe it or not he could increase his average by 5 although I am not expecting that haha. He is in his prime with an Essendon team that will be more competitive this season than last meaning he could get even more intercept marks from rushed opposition kicks. So for now he stays.

Hibberd is the guy I would bring in for him because he was a top 6 defender last year and he has even more upside this year.

Do like the Hurley selection, I think most would agree he will finish the year as a top 5 defender, so hard to fault selecting him from the start.
Hurley will be in my team come EOY, i am not wanting to overpay for him.   So if timing works out somewhere between rnd 8 - 15 at about 480K  save 80k on buy in price.  Nothing wrong with starting him ecept paying top dollar for defenders.  Extra cash goes into having a better f4 or m6
True but he could easily be selected in place of Laird in most teams, only 15k in price and that could probably be justified. As you say though, the balance between the value and proven prems is what makes or breaks a side.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on January 10, 2018, 11:42:27 AM
I get what your saying about Hurley dropping in price but if he is averaging 100 from the outset I will happily take that whether he drops in price or not.

Only reason I would drop him is if it was the only way it allowed me to get Lobb in at F4 if he is killing it in the JLT
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: rebird on January 10, 2018, 03:14:14 PM
I think a consideration is whether a premium is going to increase their average.  If their average increases then their price is less likely to fall and may even increase. I think Hurley might do this and therefore should be considered in front of Laird and Yeo who are more likely to maintain their averages.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on January 10, 2018, 03:18:06 PM
I think a consideration is whether a premium is going to increase their average.  If their average increases then their price is less likely to fall and may even increase. I think Hurley might do this and therefore should be considered in front of Laird and Yeo who are more likely to maintain their averages.
Crowls thinks that Hurley won't maintain his average across the whole season so if he is right then not picking him is right but if he maintains/increases his average then it would be good selecting him.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Peter on January 10, 2018, 03:54:12 PM
Agree with Crowls - get a second tier defender (plenty to choose from), then pick him up as season progresses. Money saved can be used to buy 2 decent top rookies, rather than 2 placeholders
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on January 10, 2018, 04:04:14 PM
Agree with Crowls - get a second tier defender (plenty to choose from), then pick him up as season progresses. Money saved can be used to buy 2 decent top rookies, rather than 2 placeholders
Can see where you are coming from completely and it is by no means a bad idea.

Hurley (100) + basement rookies (55)
Witherden (90) + Brayshaw/Davies-Uniacke (65)

Although they end up scoring the same (give or take) You have a top 6 defender in one scenario but less money making ability and in the other you have a solid D6 but the best available rookies who will be able to get you a fallen premium quicker.

For now I am sticking with Hurley as I think he could improve his average potentially but I have considered the alternative as well.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Footyrulz on January 11, 2018, 12:14:12 PM
Version 3

def: Hurley, Yeo, Laird, Birchall, Richards, Doedee (Murphy, Garner)
mid: Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Kelly, Fyfe, Rayner, Ahern, Freeman (Kelly, Walker, Worpel)
ruck: Gawn, Nic Nat (Cameron)
fwd: Heeney, Franklin, Greene, Christensen, Higgins, Venables (Daniels, Ryan)
cash: $10,200

A few changes made main one is Chrsitensen in for Bennell. I looked at Ah Chee but I'm not confident that he has it in him to average 80+ whereas Christensen has in the past. Have also had more of a look at the rookies that i think are likely to get games.

Bye structure is 4/5/6 for premiums (including Birchall and Christensen) which is perfect in my eyes.

I doubt there will be that many good rookies available (you currently have 14 + a ruckman). You might need to get a couple more mid pricers for premium and rookie when the round 1 teams are announced.

Can't see Buddy not dropping off, given his age and skewed scoring last year with 3 160s, which followed two years under a 95 average. Other than that, looks great!
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on January 11, 2018, 01:35:43 PM
Version 3

def: Hurley, Yeo, Laird, Birchall, Richards, Doedee (Murphy, Garner)
mid: Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Kelly, Fyfe, Rayner, Ahern, Freeman (Kelly, Walker, Worpel)
ruck: Gawn, Nic Nat (Cameron)
fwd: Heeney, Franklin, Greene, Christensen, Higgins, Venables (Daniels, Ryan)
cash: $10,200

A few changes made main one is Chrsitensen in for Bennell. I looked at Ah Chee but I'm not confident that he has it in him to average 80+ whereas Christensen has in the past. Have also had more of a look at the rookies that i think are likely to get games.

Bye structure is 4/5/6 for premiums (including Birchall and Christensen) which is perfect in my eyes.

I doubt there will be that many good rookies available (you currently have 14 + a ruckman). You might need to get a couple more mid pricers for premium and rookie when the round 1 teams are announced.

Can't see Buddy not dropping off, given his age and skewed scoring last year with 3 160s, which followed two years under a 95 average. Other than that, looks great!

Thanks for your thoughts FR.

Looking at last years starting side I had Marchbank and Hoskin-Elliot + 12 rookie priced players including a ruckman. So based on last years team I may need to downgrade a premium and upgrade a rookie but I will do that if needed.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Footyrulz on January 11, 2018, 01:52:56 PM
Version 3

def: Hurley, Yeo, Laird, Birchall, Richards, Doedee (Murphy, Garner)
mid: Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Kelly, Fyfe, Rayner, Ahern, Freeman (Kelly, Walker, Worpel)
ruck: Gawn, Nic Nat (Cameron)
fwd: Heeney, Franklin, Greene, Christensen, Higgins, Venables (Daniels, Ryan)
cash: $10,200

A few changes made main one is Chrsitensen in for Bennell. I looked at Ah Chee but I'm not confident that he has it in him to average 80+ whereas Christensen has in the past. Have also had more of a look at the rookies that i think are likely to get games.

Bye structure is 4/5/6 for premiums (including Birchall and Christensen) which is perfect in my eyes.

I doubt there will be that many good rookies available (you currently have 14 + a ruckman). You might need to get a couple more mid pricers for premium and rookie when the round 1 teams are announced.

Can't see Buddy not dropping off, given his age and skewed scoring last year with 3 160s, which followed two years under a 95 average. Other than that, looks great!

Thanks for your thoughts FR.

Looking at last years starting side I had Marchbank and Hoskin-Elliot + 12 rookie priced players including a ruckman. So based on last years team I may need to downgrade a premium and upgrade a rookie but I will do that if needed.

The problem is, this year there are no Marchbanks, Witts or Hoskis. The only 200k guys are first year players. I can see a lot of people stuck with crappy rookies.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on January 11, 2018, 02:06:20 PM
Version 3

def: Hurley, Yeo, Laird, Birchall, Richards, Doedee (Murphy, Garner)
mid: Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Kelly, Fyfe, Rayner, Ahern, Freeman (Kelly, Walker, Worpel)
ruck: Gawn, Nic Nat (Cameron)
fwd: Heeney, Franklin, Greene, Christensen, Higgins, Venables (Daniels, Ryan)
cash: $10,200

A few changes made main one is Chrsitensen in for Bennell. I looked at Ah Chee but I'm not confident that he has it in him to average 80+ whereas Christensen has in the past. Have also had more of a look at the rookies that i think are likely to get games.

Bye structure is 4/5/6 for premiums (including Birchall and Christensen) which is perfect in my eyes.

I doubt there will be that many good rookies available (you currently have 14 + a ruckman). You might need to get a couple more mid pricers for premium and rookie when the round 1 teams are announced.

Can't see Buddy not dropping off, given his age and skewed scoring last year with 3 160s, which followed two years under a 95 average. Other than that, looks great!

Thanks for your thoughts FR.

Looking at last years starting side I had Marchbank and Hoskin-Elliot + 12 rookie priced players including a ruckman. So based on last years team I may need to downgrade a premium and upgrade a rookie but I will do that if needed.

The problem is, this year there are no Marchbanks, Witts or Hoskis. The only 200k guys are first year players. I can see a lot of people stuck with crappy rookies.
I agree that in the backline especially people will struggle to find rookies so those than have someone like O’shea At D4 are going to be in for a shock but ....

Rayner, Brayshaw, Davies-Uniacke and Dow although 200k are all going to play and make money. There are always a few cheaper guys as well that come through also.

I’m not to worried just yet but can understand your concern.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on January 11, 2018, 02:07:52 PM
Franklin is very close to turning into Billings. 

I thought Franklin always had a few games where he went 140+ each season but:

Franklin's scores above 140 as a swan
2014: 146, 155, 168
2015: 149
2016: 141
2017: 160, 164, 183

So he is not a given to score 140+ 3 or so times a year to boost his average like I first thought. If you turn those 3 massive games he had into 130 which is more probable for next season he loses 117 points which brings his average to 93 exactly. He is 31 so isn't going to get any better. Sydney’s draw isn’t incredibly easy for Sydney either which may hinder his scoring.

Billings on the other hand who averaged 92.7 across last season as well as averaging 100 from round 7 onwards last year. He is only 22 and has natural improve and more midfield time on the cards. He also has the lions and kangas in the first two rounds. 30 possies, 4 goals and 140 supercoach points coming up? ;)

What is everyone’s thoughts on Franklin v Billings?
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: SilverLion on January 11, 2018, 05:30:07 PM
Franklin is very close to turning into Billings. 

I thought Franklin always had a few games where he went 140+ each season but:

Franklin's scores above 140 as a swan
2014: 146, 155, 168
2015: 149
2016: 141
2017: 160, 164, 183

So he is not a given to score 140+ 3 or so times a year to boost his average like I first thought. If you turn those 3 massive games he had into 130 which is more probable for next season he loses 117 points which brings his average to 93 exactly. He is 31 so isn't going to get any better. Sydney’s draw isn’t incredibly easy for Sydney either which may hinder his scoring.

Billings on the other hand who averaged 92.7 across last season as well as averaging 100 from round 7 onwards last year. He is only 22 and has natural improve and more midfield time on the cards. He also has the lions and kangas in the first two rounds. 30 possies, 4 goals and 140 supercoach points coming up? ;)

What is everyone’s thoughts on Franklin v Billings?

Like them both. Had Billings locked in since day 1 though due to his favorable draw/bye and the fact that he is on the up. Franklin will be in the top 10 come seasons end but is one of those players that isn't necessary to start. I'd recommend pocketing the ~35k and running with Billings.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: enzedder on January 12, 2018, 05:57:16 AM
Franklin is very close to turning into Billings. 

I thought Franklin always had a few games where he went 140+ each season but:

Franklin's scores above 140 as a swan
2014: 146, 155, 168
2015: 149
2016: 141
2017: 160, 164, 183

So he is not a given to score 140+ 3 or so times a year to boost his average like I first thought. If you turn those 3 massive games he had into 130 which is more probable for next season he loses 117 points which brings his average to 93 exactly. He is 31 so isn't going to get any better. Sydney’s draw isn’t incredibly easy for Sydney either which may hinder his scoring.

Billings on the other hand who averaged 92.7 across last season as well as averaging 100 from round 7 onwards last year. He is only 22 and has natural improve and more midfield time on the cards. He also has the lions and kangas in the first two rounds. 30 possies, 4 goals and 140 supercoach points coming up? ;)

What is everyone’s thoughts on Franklin v Billings?

Like them both. Had Billings locked in since day 1 though due to his favorable draw/bye and the fact that he is on the up. Franklin will be in the top 10 come seasons end but is one of those players that isn't necessary to start. I'd recommend pocketing the ~35k and running with Billings.

Good research on Buddy there mate and logical reasoning.
Billings is the Saint we're all excited about. Will keep improving and will play more in the midfield this season.. Brought in as an elite kick and there has been plenty of evidence of that, unbelievably though not in front of the big sticks....you can bet your bottom dollar he has been working hard on improving his goals to behinds ratio and I cannot see him being that bad again. He's played 64 games now so is coming into that time where he will put more of a stamp on games.
Billings gets the nod from me.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on January 12, 2018, 10:06:06 AM
Version 4

def: Hurley, Yeo, Laird, Brayshaw, Richards, Doedee (Murphy, Garner)
mid: Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Kelly, Fyfe, Rayner, Ahern, Freeman (Kelly, Walker, Worpel)
ruck: Gawn, Nic Nat (Cameron)
fwd: Heeney, Greene, Billings, Christensen, Higgins, Venables (Daniels, Ryan)
cash: $1,600

Franklin is too up and down for my liking and on the wrong side of 30 and Billings is up and coming and has the two worst teams of the comp up first so he is in.

Birchall is out as he has been having more complications and I don't want to downgrade him as a rookie as I don't think 5 rookies will get up and play round one at this stage. And I don't want to spend money on a premium either as it would effect other lines.

So in comes Brayshaw my breakout contender. 
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: enzedder on January 12, 2018, 11:08:58 AM
Version 4

def: Hurley, Yeo, Laird, Brayshaw, Richards, Doedee (Murphy, Garner)
mid: Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Kelly, Fyfe, Rayner, Ahern, Freeman (Kelly, Walker, Worpel)
ruck: Gawn, Nic Nat (Cameron)
fwd: Heeney, Greene, Billings, Christensen, Higgins, Venables (Daniels, Ryan)
cash: $1,600

Franklin is too up and down for my liking and on the wrong side of 30 and Billings is up and coming and has the two worst teams of the comp up first so he is in.

Birchall is out as he has been having more complications and I don't want to downgrade him as a rookie as I don't think 5 rookies will get up and play round one at this stage. And I don't want to spend money on a premium either as it would effect other lines.

So in comes Brayshaw my breakout contender.
Easy poll mate Billings 6 Buddy 0... pretty good sign there.
Brayshaw v Birchall could be a nil all draw...  ;)
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on January 12, 2018, 01:05:06 PM
Version 4

def: Hurley, Yeo, Laird, Brayshaw, Richards, Doedee (Murphy, Garner)
mid: Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Kelly, Fyfe, Rayner, Ahern, Freeman (Kelly, Walker, Worpel)
ruck: Gawn, Nic Nat (Cameron)
fwd: Heeney, Greene, Billings, Christensen, Higgins, Venables (Daniels, Ryan)
cash: $1,600

Franklin is too up and down for my liking and on the wrong side of 30 and Billings is up and coming and has the two worst teams of the comp up first so he is in.

Birchall is out as he has been having more complications and I don't want to downgrade him as a rookie as I don't think 5 rookies will get up and play round one at this stage. And I don't want to spend money on a premium either as it would effect other lines.

So in comes Brayshaw my breakout contender.
Easy poll mate Billings 6 Buddy 0... pretty good sign there.
Brayshaw v Birchall could be a nil all draw...  ;)
Hahahaha I told myself I would never try and guess a breakout contender again after so many failed attempts but here I am again. One breakout contender can't hurt too much I say. :P

Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: PassivePenguin on January 12, 2018, 03:29:34 PM
Birchall is out as he has been having more complications and I don't want to downgrade him as a rookie as I don't think 5 rookies will get up and play round one at this stage. And I don't want to spend money on a premium either as it would effect other lines.

So in comes Brayshaw my breakout contender.

Ciaran Byrne I have heard is a good option according to some Carlton fans if you wanted to free up some funds in that D4 position. Brayshaw is bit of a risk as I feel he has had 1 too many concussions for my liking.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on January 12, 2018, 03:39:38 PM
Birchall is out as he has been having more complications and I don't want to downgrade him as a rookie as I don't think 5 rookies will get up and play round one at this stage. And I don't want to spend money on a premium either as it would effect other lines.

So in comes Brayshaw my breakout contender.

Ciaran Byrne I have heard is a good option according to some Carlton fans if you wanted to free up some funds in that D4 position. Brayshaw is bit of a risk as I feel he has had 1 too many concussions for my liking.
Brayshaw and his concussions are a concern but at this stage I am really considering taking the risk.

I am a Carlton supporter and have looked into Byrne and have decided not too take him. I think Simpson and Mullet will have the small rebouding defender role covered this year and if Byrne was too get games it would be more of a lockdown non supercoach friendly role. However, at his price I can understand why some people would take the risk.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Peter on January 12, 2018, 05:58:34 PM
Who is going to make more points - the extra defender or an extra midfielder? Think you gave one defender too many
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on January 12, 2018, 07:01:59 PM
Who is going to make more points - the extra defender or an extra midfielder? Think you gave one defender too many
100% agree but I don’t think there will be 5 cheap defenders available. If there is then it will make everyone’s life a lot more easy.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: SilverLion on January 13, 2018, 10:39:32 AM
Who is going to make more points - the extra defender or an extra midfielder? Think you gave one defender too many
100% agree but I don’t think there will be 5 cheap defenders available. If there is then it will make everyone’s life a lot more easy.
+1
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Peter on January 13, 2018, 12:26:56 PM
The same with Sicily and Crisp - can gamble with Backs a bit
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: SilverLion on January 13, 2018, 04:46:33 PM
The same with Sicily and Crisp - can gamble with Backs a bit
Yeah I don't mind Crisp as a bit of a smoky.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Ashmore62 on January 15, 2018, 11:01:18 AM
Crouch or Kelly is my new major decision.

Crouch averaged 125 after the byes last season and didn't go below 118 in the finals as well. He is a ball magnet and will be in side that will be getting a lot of the ball. Only thing that is putting me off him is that he shares the same bye as Danger, Dusty and Fyfe who are all locks in my side.

Kelly: has a favourable bye and has shown that he can go 110+ across a whole season. He will be in a stronger team this year and will have natural improvement as well.

What is everyone's thoughts on the two???

If they had the same bye who would you choose??? 
Kelly for mine though It's one of the toughest picks to stew over. Both similar, Recon Gibbs is going to effect Crows midfield in a good way which may take away a little from Crouch.. I'm sure you'll pick wisely MS. :)
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Peter on January 15, 2018, 12:03:55 PM
Going tor Kelly - higher ceiling, favourable bye, more favourable stats ratios
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: DCAK on January 15, 2018, 12:06:57 PM
Crouch or Kelly is my new major decision.

Crouch averaged 125 after the byes last season and didn't go below 118 in the finals as well. He is a ball magnet and will be in side that will be getting a lot of the ball. Only thing that is putting me off him is that he shares the same bye as Danger, Dusty and Fyfe who are all locks in my side.

Kelly: has a favourable bye and has shown that he can go 110+ across a whole season. He will be in a stronger team this year and will have natural improvement as well.

What is everyone's thoughts on the two???

If they had the same bye who would you choose???

I think that as neither of these guys are 'must have's' (like Danger, Titch, Fyfe, Dusty) perhaps you could let your decision be guided by bye structure, so Kelly for mine.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: quinny88 on January 22, 2018, 04:34:32 PM
Ar you not concerned that Danger, Dusty, Crouch and Fyfe all have the same bye?
I don't mind the smith pick as there are no clear standouts in the ruck anyway. Nice balanced side
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on January 22, 2018, 05:04:35 PM
Ar you not concerned that Danger, Dusty, Crouch and Fyfe all have the same bye?
I don't mind the smith pick as there are no clear standouts in the ruck anyway. Nice balanced side
It is a concern definitely but I picked Trealor over Martin last year and the main reason was the bye. Only reason I would pick Kelly over Crouch is the bye and although Kelly is very unlikely to stink it up as much as Trealor did I just wanna go with my gut.

On the other lines I only have Laird, Smith (who could easily turn to McEvoy/Jacobs) and then Billings and Heeney as my premiums so I am sure I can manage as long as I don't bring in any other mids with the round 14 bye.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Peter on January 23, 2018, 06:42:40 AM
Imo MS, the issue with V4 is two rookie MF’s who won’t play R1 and you only have $900 left. Therefore one of the main players will need to go
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on January 23, 2018, 10:06:20 AM
def: Hurley, Laird, Hibberd, Brayshaw, Richards, Doedee (Cumming, Garner)
mid: Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Crouch, Fyfe, Rayner, Barry, Fogarty (Kelly, Walker, Worpel)
ruck: Jacobs, Gawn (Olango)
fwd: Heeney, Greene, Billings, Christensen, Higgins, Venables (Fritsch, Ryan)
cash: $4,500

Jacobs could easily become McEvoy or Smith

Have actually had a decent look at rookies through yesterday night and this morning and have got the guys I think could line up round 1.

Only concerns are having 4 of my midfield premiums out with the round 14 bye. In saying that I think Danger, Dusty and Fyfe are must haves and Crouch I see continuing a 115-120 average so he is a lock in my team. Will plan other lines to try and help cover.

Other concern as mentioned by Peter is that although I think all the rookie priced players are a good chance of playing alot of them are 117k and if they dont get up it could mean I need to downgrade a premium.


Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: SilverLion on January 23, 2018, 10:11:29 AM
def: Hurley, Yeo, Laird, Brayshaw, Richards, Doedee (Cumming, Miochek)
mid: Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Crouch, Fyfe, Rayner, Barry, Fogarty (Kelly, Walker, Worpel)
ruck: Jacobs, Gawn (Olango)
fwd: Heeney, Greene, Billings, Christensen, Higgins, Venables (Fritsch, Ryan)
cash: $4,500

Yeo could easily become Hibberd
Jacobs could easily become McEvoy or Smith

Have actually had a decent look at rookies through yesterday night and this morning and have got the guys I think could line up round 1.

Only concerns are having 4 of my midfield premiums out with the round 14 bye. In saying that I think Danger, Dusty and Fyfe are must haves and Crouch I see continuing a 115-120 average so he is a lock in my team. Will plan other lines to try and help cover.

Other concern as mentioned by Peter is that although I think all the rookie priced players are a good chance of playing alot of them are 117k and if they dont get up it could mean I need to downgrade a premium.
Nice side. What are your thoughts on brayshaw? Had him in one of my early sides, but took him out as I'm not confident he will become a keeper.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on January 23, 2018, 10:24:16 AM
I usually stay away from breakout candidates but I just have a gut feeling about him.

He averaged 78.5 (excluding his injury game) from 4 games last year which means he can score well enough to at least make decent money. He was the number 3 draft pick from memory and drafted as an inside midfielder who generally score well in supercoach. He is coming into his prime so natural improvement should see him score 80-85 as a minimum in my opinion which is good enough for me at his price. He is in an up and coming side who will be wanting to win games and make finals and I think he could be a key part of it.

Clayton Oliver averaged 70 from 13 games before last year and Brayshaw averaged 72 from 5. I just see a lot of similarities between the two.

It is more of a gut feeling than anything but if he is fit and plays he will go up in price he is priced at a 57 and could score 77 easily so he will make money at worst and be a keeper at best.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on January 23, 2018, 01:19:06 PM
I don't know how high Hibberd's player ownership percentage is but the fact that he isn't in the top 20 and Yeo is with 32% has made me want to go with Hibberd for now.

People seem to be scared by Lever coming in to Melbourne and affecting Hibberd and his scoring but Laird's scoring wasn't negatively affected by Lever so I don't see why Hibberd would be.

Yeo could be played anywhere and it is probably safer to wait and see with him and just take the extra 20k.

Another thing that puts me off Yeo is he scored 67 and 61 in the finals last year.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: quinny88 on January 23, 2018, 11:26:16 PM
I don't know how high Hibberd's player ownership percentage is but the fact that he isn't in the top 20 and Yeo is with 32% has made me want to go with Hibberd for now.

People seem to be scared by Lever coming in to Melbourne and affecting Hibberd and his scoring but Laird's scoring wasn't negatively affected by Lever so I don't see why Hibberd would be.

Yeo could be played anywhere and it is probably safer to wait and see with him and just take the extra 20k.

Another thing that puts me off Yeo is he scored 67 and 61 in the finals last year.

Yeah I had Yeo as my D1 for a lot of this off season but he's still not fully training and has said him self that he will play a variety of roles. Just rather wait and see on him
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Peter on January 24, 2018, 06:48:34 AM
I have never had Yeo this pre-season and his rehab and unlnown role is why.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: SilverLion on January 24, 2018, 10:48:34 AM
I usually stay away from breakout candidates but I just have a gut feeling about him.

He averaged 78.5 (excluding his injury game) from 4 games last year which means he can score well enough to at least make decent money. He was the number 3 draft pick from memory and drafted as an inside midfielder who generally score well in supercoach. He is coming into his prime so natural improvement should see him score 80-85 as a minimum in my opinion which is good enough for me at his price. He is in an up and coming side who will be wanting to win games and make finals and I think he could be a key part of it.

Clayton Oliver averaged 70 from 13 games before last year and Brayshaw averaged 72 from 5. I just see a lot of similarities between the two.

It is more of a gut feeling than anything but if he is fit and plays he will go up in price he is priced at a 57 and could score 77 easily so he will make money at worst and be a keeper at best.
That sounds pretty reasonable actually, with Birchall not training yet I was taking another look at him, starting to agree that unless someone else in the 200-350k price bracket down back pops their head up, he could be a viable option.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on January 25, 2018, 11:49:07 AM
This is my first team with the supercoach picker and probably my favourite. Want Sauce over Smith but would prefer to have some more expensive rookies so if I need too I can downgrade them and not a premium.

(https://i.gyazo.com/ec9f29db643e957895a823feb9600323.png)
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: SilverLion on January 25, 2018, 02:47:48 PM
This is my first team with the supercoach picker and probably my favourite. Want Sauce over Smith but would prefer to have some more expensive rookies so if I need too I can downgrade them and not a premium.

(https://i.gyazo.com/ec9f29db643e957895a823feb9600323.png)

Side is very similarly structured to mine, think I've just got one extra prem mid, but you've opted for more expensive prems overall.

Nice team, don't mind Smith as a PoD ruckman. Hurley+Laird+Hibberd is a strong backline.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on February 06, 2018, 01:32:36 PM
This is the first team where I am 100% happy with every single player I have selected (excluding rookies) can't see this side changing again before the JLT.

Only concern is the 4 mid premiums having the round 14 bye.

Sadly this team doesn't have any real pods but I can always trade them in early.

(https://i.gyazo.com/06c7d152d58b76e66a07a8d0b34f1b6a.png)


Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Samsturmfels on February 06, 2018, 01:59:37 PM
Solid team! Id just be a bit worried about greene doing something stupid during the season and getting suspended. If Angus can get on top of his concussions he could be a good pick!
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on February 06, 2018, 02:04:22 PM
Solid team! Id just be a bit worried about greene doing something stupid during the season and getting suspended. If Angus can get on top of his concussions he could be a good pick!
100% agree with both your points.

Greene is heading into his prime and is out of contract at the end of this season (Think Kelly last year ;)) I am taking the punt and hoping he matures.

Brayshaw could easily average 90+ this season if he doesn't get concussed this season so at this stage I am willing to take the risk.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: shaker on February 06, 2018, 02:09:53 PM
Yeah good team MS only thing that stood out to me was a lot extremely cheap rookies that probably won't happen but good team to sit on
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on February 06, 2018, 02:11:32 PM
Yeah good team MS only thing that stood out to me was a lot extremely cheap rookies that probably won't happen but good team to sit on
Yeah it is a concern but in saying that Brodie and Davies-Uniacke can be downgraded if need be.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Huttabito on February 06, 2018, 02:24:46 PM
Cracking team MS. Love the young gun forward line and those 3 defender premiums are rock solid.

I'm not keen on Brayshaw but with an extra $200k, I can't seem to do much else so I think it's fine there.

The rd14 bye would be your main concern, missing 8 of your starting 13 premiums or 8/15 if Brayshaw/Christensen become keepers as you are hoping so just be careful upgrading early.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on February 06, 2018, 02:38:52 PM
Cracking team MS. Love the young gun forward line and those 3 defender premiums are rock solid.

I'm not keen on Brayshaw but with an extra $200k, I can't seem to do much else so I think it's fine there.

The rd14 bye would be your main concern, missing 8 of your starting 13 premiums or 8/15 if Brayshaw/Christensen become keepers as you are hoping so just be careful upgrading early.
Thanks mate!

Brayshaw I really like, he was a super high draft pick and is an inside midfielder, obviously injuries have slowed his progression but I think he is as good a chance as any of the sub 450k defenders too go 90+ and be a keeper. If rookies are plentiful in the backline which may be the case this season I would consider dropping him and upgrading another line.

Yep, I will make sure I target round 12 and 13 players with my first upgrades.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: SilverLion on February 06, 2018, 04:27:44 PM
Nice cookie cutter team that has many players I myself like in it as well. Only minor concern would be starting with only 5 prem mids, however 3 of those are the 3 highest scorers from last year and you're other lines are all sound so that easily covers that.

Nice team to sit on until the JLT I reckon :)
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on February 06, 2018, 04:56:12 PM
Nice cookie cutter team that has many players I myself like in it as well. Only minor concern would be starting with only 5 prem mids, however 3 of those are the 3 highest scorers from last year and you're other lines are all sound so that easily covers that.

Nice team to sit on until the JLT I reckon :)
Thanks mate.

I hate how cookie cutter my team is but I just can't find any low ownership percentage players that I like at the moment.

Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: frenzy on February 06, 2018, 07:20:41 PM
how we gunna have a whipping boy if you turn out teams like that...... nice team buddy. very cookie cutter, but very nice.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on February 06, 2018, 10:15:24 PM
how we gunna have a whipping boy if you turn out teams like that...... nice team buddy. very cookie cutter, but very nice.
haha, cheers mate!

got my eye on a few pods but none are in at this stage.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: DCAK on February 06, 2018, 10:59:19 PM
Nice team MS, like your structures (very similar to mine). I'd think you'd be good to wait for JLT to come happen and reassess.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 06, 2018, 11:19:21 PM
Looking good mate

Like others have said just sit tight and wait until JLT now

I'd probably move out at least one RD14 prem though

And get Adblocker!  ;D
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: GoLions on February 06, 2018, 11:23:11 PM
And get Adblocker!  ;D
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on February 07, 2018, 10:27:44 AM
Nice team MS, like your structures (very similar to mine). I'd think you'd be good to wait for JLT to come happen and reassess.

Yep that is the plan, definitely got my eye on a few players ;D

Looking good mate

Like others have said just sit tight and wait until JLT now

I'd probably move out at least one RD14 prem though

And get Adblocker!  ;D

Cheers mate, I think I will be right in terms of round 14 as long as I don't bring anymore players in and just focus on round 12/13 players early and then get guys like Hanley, Rockliff, Gray and Barlow as soon as round 10 is over and done with.

Haha, best advice I have been given all thread haha!
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Ringo on February 07, 2018, 11:02:47 AM
Time to sit MS, Nice team and like your plans leading to Rd 14 byes. With the byes being a rd later this year may be a winner. Just hope plans not derailed.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on February 07, 2018, 11:20:21 AM
Time to sit MS, Nice team and like your plans leading to Rd 14 byes. With the byes being a rd later this year may be a winner. Just hope plans not derailed.
Yeah exactly, In an ideal world I won't be bringing in any round 14 players but if someone like Franklin or Menegola come out and kill it (which could happen) could easily derail my plans.

Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on February 14, 2018, 02:56:59 PM
Hurley, Laird, Hibberd, Simpson, Doedee, Cumming (Morgan, Mirra)
Martin, Mitchell, Kelly, Crouch, Merrett, Fyfe, LDU, Brodie (Worpel, Kelly, Barry)
Jacobs, Gawn (Olango)
Delidio, Rioli, Christensen, Ah Chee, Rayner, Venables (Garlett, Ryan)
$3000

Just an idea? Is it stupid having Lids/Rioli at F1/F2 even if it allows me to get Simpson at D4 and Fyfe at M6???

Just thinking that with so much uncertainty in the forward line it could pay off???
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Bully on February 14, 2018, 03:02:54 PM
Hurley, Laird, Hibberd, Simpson, Doedee, Cumming (Morgan, Mirra)
Martin, Mitchell, Kelly, Crouch, Merrett, Fyfe, LDU, Brodie (Worpel, Kelly, Barry)
Jacobs, Gawn (Olango)
Delidio, Rioli, Christensen, Ah Chee, Rayner, Venables (Garlett, Ryan)
$3000

Just an idea? Is it stupid having Lids/Rioli at F1/F2 even if it allows me to get Simpson at D4 and Fyfe at M6???

Just thinking that with so much uncertainty in the forward line it could pay off???

Ballsy, not sure I would do it myself unless it meant covering M7.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Ringo on February 14, 2018, 04:42:55 PM
If going that route would prefer Danger to Dusty.

Do not mind the strategy as you can upgrade in forward line when trading either directly or DPP.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: SilverLion on February 14, 2018, 08:22:49 PM
Hurley, Laird, Hibberd, Simpson, Doedee, Cumming (Morgan, Mirra)
Martin, Mitchell, Kelly, Crouch, Merrett, Fyfe, LDU, Brodie (Worpel, Kelly, Barry)
Jacobs, Gawn (Olango)
Delidio, Rioli, Christensen, Ah Chee, Rayner, Venables (Garlett, Ryan)
$3000

Just an idea? Is it stupid having Lids/Rioli at F1/F2 even if it allows me to get Simpson at D4 and Fyfe at M6???

Just thinking that with so much uncertainty in the forward line it could pay off???
Agree with the above, if not going to start a fwd prem, gotta have danger and a prem M7.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on February 15, 2018, 12:17:32 AM
Hurley, Laird, Hibberd, Simpson, Doedee, Cumming (Morgan, Mirra)
Martin, Mitchell, Kelly, Crouch, Merrett, Fyfe, LDU, Brodie (Worpel, Kelly, Barry)
Jacobs, Gawn (Olango)
Delidio, Rioli, Christensen, Ah Chee, Rayner, Venables (Garlett, Ryan)
$3000

Just an idea? Is it stupid having Lids/Rioli at F1/F2 even if it allows me to get Simpson at D4 and Fyfe at M6???

Just thinking that with so much uncertainty in the forward line it could pay off???
Agree with the above, if not going to start a fwd prem, gotta have danger and a prem M7.
Yeah valid points.

Thinking I might play it safe and go with my cookie cutter team for the time being.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on February 15, 2018, 09:16:01 AM
Hurley, Laird, Hibberd, Brayshaw, Doedee, Cumming (Murray, Mirra)
Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Crouch, Fyfe, LDU, Brodie, Worpel (Kelly, Barry, Holman)
Jacobs, Gawn (Olango)
Heeney, Greene, Billings, Christensen, Venables, Garlett (Ryan, Fritsch)
$5,000

Is the team I have decided to stick with, will monitor injuries but this gives me more flexibility in the lead up to round 1. 
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: shaker on February 15, 2018, 11:34:50 AM
Yep good 13 premos that's what I will be aiming for as well Greene can swapped if he looks underdone really just rookie watch now  ;)
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: fasttrack13 on February 17, 2018, 01:40:33 AM
Picked 4 guys who will or have missed 3+ weeks of pre season Hurley, Heeney, Greene and Billings. Heeney and Greene aren't even back to full loads yet i don't think. Billings will miss more weeks than expected. Something to monitor, definitely more of a chance to get injured during the year with those weeks off. Is the main reason there are a lot of weak forward lines out there. Love the team other than that.

Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: SilverLion on February 17, 2018, 09:52:18 AM
Picked 4 guys who will or have missed 3+ weeks of pre season Hurley, Heeney, Greene and Billings. Heeney and Greene aren't even back to full loads yet i don't think. Billings will miss more weeks than expected. Something to monitor, definitely more of a chance to get injured during the year with those weeks off. Is the main reason there are a lot of weak forward lines out there. Love the team other than that.
+1
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on February 17, 2018, 11:10:45 AM
Picked 4 guys who will or have missed 3+ weeks of pre season Hurley, Heeney, Greene and Billings. Heeney and Greene aren't even back to full loads yet i don't think. Billings will miss more weeks than expected. Something to monitor, definitely more of a chance to get injured during the year with those weeks off. Is the main reason there are a lot of weak forward lines out there. Love the team other than that.
+1
Cheers and I am well aware of that, but am happy to wait and see as I am confident all will play at least 1 JLT game. If they don't they are all so expensive I can trade them to practically anyone.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: frenzy on February 19, 2018, 09:02:55 PM
I'm not a Greene fan, had him last year and he has too many brain fades. I think he was reported 2-3 times last season alone. The penny just doesn't seem to wanna drop, so I would look to Dahl etc. Apart from that, a good effort and hope your rookies get up rnd 1.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on February 20, 2018, 08:24:47 AM
I'm not a Greene fan, had him last year and he has too many brain fades. I think he was reported 2-3 times last season alone. The penny just doesn't seem to wanna drop, so I would look to Dahl etc. Apart from that, a good effort and hope your rookies get up rnd 1.
cheers mate, he is the forward I am least confident in but I don't rate any of the other forwards and by avergae I am pretty confident he will be top 5. Just depends if he can stay on the park.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Huttabito on February 20, 2018, 01:32:36 PM
I'm not a Greene fan, had him last year and he has too many brain fades. I think he was reported 2-3 times last season alone. The penny just doesn't seem to wanna drop, so I would look to Dahl etc. Apart from that, a good effort and hope your rookies get up rnd 1.
cheers mate, he is the forward I am least confident in but I don't rate any of the other forwards and by avergae I am pretty confident he will be top 5. Just depends if he can stay on the park.
As of last week he still wasn't training with the main group, tie in the fact the suspension risk and he's a none starter for me. Can defiantly see him slotting in as an upgrade throughout the season.

I've cut my 6th premium mid begrudgingly  :( but is does make for a much more well balanced team like yours.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on February 23, 2018, 04:51:44 PM
Kreuzer's Losers: PRE JLT TEAM

DEF: Hurley, Laird, Hibberd, Brayshaw, Doedee, Cumming (Murray, Mirra)
MID: Danger, Dusty, Titch, Crouch, Fyfe, Davies-Uniacke, Brodie, Worpel (Kelly, Barry, Holman)
RUC: Goldy, Gawn (Olango)
FWD: Heeney, Greene, Billings, Bundy, Dawson, Venables (Fritsch, Crowden)
CASH: $1,800

DEF: Hurley has a wrist injury currently which is a concern but if he is named round 1 I think I have to start him, he averaged 107.6 from round 5 onwards and can’t see he won’t continue that form this season with a stronger team around him. Laird and Hibberd play the perfect role for point scoring in supercoach and are pretty much lock and loaded in my team. Brayshaw I am not as confident anymore as he has been touted to play a defensive role this season to try and protect him from concussions, does that mean he will be used as more of a lockdown defender which could hurt his scoring or more of a rebounding role alongside Hibberd? I think Brayshaw is too good a player to not play in the midfield personally so I am happy to take the risk.
MID: Danger, Dusty, Titch and Fyfe are the four players that I think will go 115+ this season and I have pretty good confidence that this will happen. Crouch I think is the next best chance to get 115+ as he managed exceed that comfortably for the last half of 2017 and can’t see why he would start slowing down now. Only concern here is having four players that already have the round 14 bye but I am happy to take that risk if they all start the year 115+

RUCK: Gawn is the obvious choice and possibly the lock of the season and Goldy is in for Jacobs as I think he has the potential to go back to previous seasons form and cement him self in the top 2 come seasons end and Brad Scott and players (Including himself) have said he has found his love for the game again and that he looks like he did at the start of the 2015 season. Preuss is a risk but I can’t see North playing him over Goldy especially early on. Worst case scenario he averages 90 with a few stinkers best case he goes 110+ and is the clear standout ruck alongside Gawn, I don’t think Jacobs has that ability.
FWD: Heeney is back and full training and has the talent to be a 110+ player although I don’t think it will be this season he should still go 100+ comfortably and be the number 1 forward come seasons end. Greene is a concern as he is not back in full training but with his scoring he is in my side for now and if he doesn’t get up round 1 I can change him to literally anyone, he is in his contract year and in his prime in a team that will want to be top 4 I really like him, Billings is in a similar boat to Greene as he has had a small hamstring injury recently but with his form towards the end last season and his midfield minutes increasing I can’t see myself not starting him round 1 if he does. Bundy I think has the potential to become a keeper at F6/F7 with a 80-85 average and even seeing him in the AFLX has me confident that he will be a good pick.

Round 10: -
Round 12: Mitchell
Round 13: Hurley, Hibberd, Brayshaw, Goldy, Gawn, Greene, Bundy
Round 14: Laird, Danger, Martin, Crouch, Fyfe, Heeney, Billings

My byes are a tad concerning but as long as I focus on trading in round 12 players early (Simpson, Bont/Macrae, Cripps/Murphy) I should be fine.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Bully on February 23, 2018, 05:13:56 PM
What's the plan if Cumming doesn't get up?
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Fid on February 23, 2018, 05:48:46 PM
I like your team and structure MS.

I was going the same with the Goldy/Jacobs swap, but kept Jacobs because of a better receiving mids in Sloane, Crouch, Gibbs and others compared to North....

My concern is just having $1,800 left

 
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on February 24, 2018, 08:20:49 AM
What's the plan if Cumming doesn't get up?
Keefe, Murray, Finlayson, Gardner, Goddard, Ballenden etc. Im sure there will be people that pop up throughout JLT.

I like your team and structure MS.

I was going the same with the Goldy/Jacobs swap, but kept Jacobs because of a better receiving mids in Sloane, Crouch, Gibbs and others compared to North....

My concern is just having $1,800 left

 
Yeah price is a concern but I have very expensive premos and a couple of top priced midfield rookies so I should have enough wriggle room.

I am picking Goldy as a true POD at only 3%, if Jacobs and Goldy end up with similar ownership percentages I will probably go for the safer option in Jacobs.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: patrickb55 on February 24, 2018, 12:37:24 PM
who is Bundy?
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Ringo on February 24, 2018, 12:43:20 PM
who is Bundy?
Welcome to forum. Bundy is the nick name for Allen Christensen from Brisbane Lions.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Sonnydark on February 24, 2018, 06:15:09 PM
Hey Money, thanks for the feedback on my team yesterday.

There's a lot about your team I like. The structure is very similar to what I'm going with.

I have one query, and a couple of observations:

Query: if Brayshaw at D4 works out, this structure could be the winning formula. I have reservations, and so have invested a bit more in this spot for a Sicily minimum type. But I'd love for you to be right. I'm interested in Brayshaw and Seedsman, but can't bring myself to do it... yet.

Observations: I live in Hobart, and have just returned from the North Melbourne - Melbourne game. I haven't looked at the stats, but to the naked eye Goldstein was lively, very mobile, and competed well against Gawn. I currently have Jacobs - Gawn, but may actually switch in Goldstein here. A Gawn - Goldstein Ruck set-up feels like it could be fruitful for a combined 210 weekly return.

Fritsch obviously had the goals, but aside from that my eye was constantly drawn to him whenever the ball went into Melbourne's forward fifty. Based on today I may actually start him at F6 (a 65 return would be perfect).

Davies-Uniacke only got his first disposal a few minutes before half time. That worried me somewhat.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Bully on February 24, 2018, 06:17:15 PM
Brayshaw had a spud outing today, definitely a risk.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on February 25, 2018, 07:01:45 AM
Hey Money, thanks for the feedback on my team yesterday.

There's a lot about your team I like. The structure is very similar to what I'm going with.

I have one query, and a couple of observations:

Query: if Brayshaw at D4 works out, this structure could be the winning formula. I have reservations, and so have invested a bit more in this spot for a Sicily minimum type. But I'd love for you to be right. I'm interested in Brayshaw and Seedsman, but can't bring myself to do it... yet.

Observations: I live in Hobart, and have just returned from the North Melbourne - Melbourne game. I haven't looked at the stats, but to the naked eye Goldstein was lively, very mobile, and competed well against Gawn. I currently have Jacobs - Gawn, but may actually switch in Goldstein here. A Gawn - Goldstein Ruck set-up feels like it could be fruitful for a combined 210 weekly return.

Fritsch obviously had the goals, but aside from that my eye was constantly drawn to him whenever the ball went into Melbourne's forward fifty. Based on today I may actually start him at F6 (a 65 return would be perfect).


Davies-Uniacke only got his first disposal a few minutes before half time. That worried me somewhat.
Thanks mate!

Brayshaw being upgraded to someone at that 400k price range is likely if he doesn't show me something in JLT 2, was one of the lowest scorers on the ground which is a concern.

Goldy I really like as a pod, scored decent against the best ruck in the game so can't fault him there.

Fritsch has almost cemented his spot in my team after yesterdays performance.

Davies-Uniacke stays in for now but not with confidence.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: greco272 on February 25, 2018, 08:27:03 PM
Hey Money

The team looks great to me.

I'm unsure who to pick at D4 I currently have Brayshaw but am not convinced. If Brayshaw doesn't come up maybe Sicily could be an option?? Do you have any other thoughts on who you might pick at D4 other than those 2?

Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Trindacut on February 25, 2018, 09:33:59 PM
I feel like you're going to have to do a least a few changes to your guns, you need rd 12 byes. You can be careful who you trade in but as it stands now you won't be able to trade in any 13/14 byes so you could miss out on some good rookies or surprising guns.

Crouch/Billings/Goldy

I don't rate Goldy. Has issues, hasn't recaptured his past form. Kinda on his last led.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on February 26, 2018, 09:43:12 AM
Hey Money

The team looks great to me.

I'm unsure who to pick at D4 I currently have Brayshaw but am not convinced. If Brayshaw doesn't come up maybe Sicily could be an option?? Do you have any other thoughts on who you might pick at D4 other than those 2?
Yep, Brayshaw needs to show something next weekend otherwise he is gone. C. Ellis, R. Bonner and A. Mcgrath are people I would look at.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on February 26, 2018, 09:47:56 AM
I feel like you're going to have to do a least a few changes to your guns, you need rd 12 byes. You can be careful who you trade in but as it stands now you won't be able to trade in any 13/14 byes so you could miss out on some good rookies or surprising guns.

Crouch/Billings/Goldy

I don't rate Goldy. Has issues, hasn't recaptured his past form. Kinda on his last led.
Yeah fair points.

Im just so set on my premiums at the moment so it is going to be hard to change them. Espescially my midfield ones.

In regards to Goldy I think worst case scenario he avergaes 90 best case he goes 110 and replicates his form from only 2-3 years ago. He is only 29 so I don't think it is impossible for him.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Ringo on February 26, 2018, 09:55:38 AM
Like your premiums Money.  Structure sound. Just need to hope we get some decent rookies starting Rd 1.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on February 26, 2018, 11:42:47 AM
Like your premiums Money.  Structure sound. Just need to hope we get some decent rookies starting Rd 1.
Yep, only pick im not confident in is Brayshaw but he has another chance to impress me in his final JLT.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: SilverLion on February 26, 2018, 02:03:09 PM
Like your premiums Money.  Structure sound. Just need to hope we get some decent rookies starting Rd 1.
Yep, only pick im not confident in is Brayshaw but he has another chance to impress me in his final JLT.
+1 to that
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on March 01, 2018, 07:47:40 PM
with the mid pricers all looking sound I thought I would try something different, at first I was just playing around but the depth in this side is ridiculous.

Laird, Hibberd, Simpson, Savage, C. Ellis, Doedee (Keefe, Mirra)
Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, Redden, Libba, O'meara, Armitage, Griffen (Kelly, Barry, Worpel)
Goldy, Gawn (Olango)
Heeney, Walters, Smith, Sicily, Bundy, Fritsch (Dawson, Garlett)

Is this doomed to fail or is it a stroke of genius?
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: ubeaut on March 01, 2018, 08:21:52 PM
with the mid pricers all looking sound I thought I would try something different, at first I was just playing around but the depth in this side is ridiculous.

Laird, Hibberd, Simpson, Savage, C. Ellis, Doedee (Keefe, Mirra)
Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, Redden, Libba, O'meara, Armitage, Griffen (Kelly, Barry, Worpel)
Goldy, Gawn (Olango)
Heeney, Walters, Smith, Sicily, Bundy, Fritsch (Dawson, Garlett)

Is this doomed to fail or is it a stroke of genius?
Not bad at all. Needs a more reliable C/VC option i.e. Danger/Titch.

Is that quite enough rookies to make money?
If u downgrade Ellis and Armitage to rookies and upgrade Cripps to Danger.
May have enough left to get Billings in for Sicily for less risk.

Or choose one of Libba/Redden and keep Sicily/Cripps, other to Danger?
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Ringo on March 01, 2018, 08:24:45 PM
No Dusty, Titch or Martin the obvious if you could get one of those three in there think it would be sound. Fyfe will be good but do not think he will give you the captains score one of these 3 will.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: frenzy on March 01, 2018, 08:29:11 PM
thats nearly my team  ;D

I will say though that mid pricers are a lot easier to upgrade/downgrade/sideways than cheap rookies that have'nt made any cash.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on March 01, 2018, 08:50:24 PM
I really hope i dont have the balls to start a team like this hahaha
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Gavdroid on March 01, 2018, 09:28:18 PM
with the mid pricers all looking sound I thought I would try something different, at first I was just playing around but the depth in this side is ridiculous.

Laird, Hibberd, Simpson, Savage, C. Ellis, Doedee (Keefe, Mirra)
Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, Redden, Libba, O'meara, Armitage, Griffen (Kelly, Barry, Worpel)
Goldy, Gawn (Olango)
Heeney, Walters, Smith, Sicily, Bundy, Fritsch (Dawson, Garlett)

Is this doomed to fail or is it a stroke of genius?

Extremely similar to mine posted this afternoon, but managed to squeeze Dusty in with a cheaper defence. Seriously considering running with something like this. Think Dusty/Fyfe should be good enough for C/VC loophole. Like others said, I'd be adding another solid captain option
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: SilverLion on March 01, 2018, 09:37:41 PM
with the mid pricers all looking sound I thought I would try something different, at first I was just playing around but the depth in this side is ridiculous.

Laird, Hibberd, Simpson, Savage, C. Ellis, Doedee (Keefe, Mirra)
Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, Redden, Libba, O'meara, Armitage, Griffen (Kelly, Barry, Worpel)
Goldy, Gawn (Olango)
Heeney, Walters, Smith, Sicily, Bundy, Fritsch (Dawson, Garlett)

Is this doomed to fail or is it a stroke of genius?

Doomed to fail haha

Whilst none of the mid pricers are bad options individually; collectively selecting that many means you won't have enough guaranteed top 10s on any line as well as not enough rookies making cash. Also, with that many, it seems inevitable that at least a couple would backfire.

edit: typo, dang autocorrect :P
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on March 02, 2018, 06:32:44 AM
with the mid pricers all looking sound I thought I would try something different, at first I was just playing around but the depth in this side is ridiculous.

Laird, Hibberd, Simpson, Savage, C. Ellis, Doedee (Keefe, Mirra)
Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, Redden, Libba, O'meara, Armitage, Griffen (Kelly, Barry, Worpel)
Goldy, Gawn (Olango)
Heeney, Walters, Smith, Sicily, Bundy, Fritsch (Dawson, Garlett)

Is this doomed to fail or is it a stroke of genius?

Doomed to fail haha

Whilst none of the mid privets are bad options individually; collectively selecting that many means you won't have enough guaranteed top 10s on any line as well as not enough rookies making cash. Also, with that many, it seems inevitable that at least a couple would backfire.
100% agree with you and im glad someone said it.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on March 02, 2018, 05:41:13 PM
Spent the last hour playing around with my team and have come up with this.

Laird, Hibberd, Tuohy, Ellis, Doedee, Finlayson (Miochek, Mirra)
Danger, Mitchell, Dusty, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, O'meara, Barry (Kelly, Worpel, Holman)
Goldy, Gawn (Olango)
Heeney, Walters, Smith, Christensen, Fritsch, Ryan (Garlett, Langdon)

got no money left, Tuohy down too Sicily is something I would do if i need cash.

Coniglio I like more than Redden/Libba but that could change
O'meara i like more than Armitage/Griffin but that could change.

thoughts??? really starting to like the look of my side.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: ubeaut on March 02, 2018, 06:13:41 PM
Yeah I like.
Good structure. You've fit all top 3 mids in and Fyfe. Cripps, Coniglio, JOM the value picks. Mids are deep without sacrificing other areas well done.
I think Coniglio and Redden better bets for 105 than Libba.
JOM over Griff/Armo more opportunities to score in the guts and has youth on his side. All are injury risks so can't split them there.
Same F1- 4 as me so can't fault that!
Only thing that stands out is Touhy. So many guns for points to go round at the Cats, although no Mackie/Lonegran only helps him.
The breaker is he gives u 8 players out round 14. Not sure who comes in for him if u haven't got cash to upgrade.
If u could somehow squeeze a few bucks elsewhere maybe Simmo or Sicily as u suggested (I have him but not sold).
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: SilverLion on March 02, 2018, 07:26:43 PM
I should have patented the JOM at M7 structure haha.

Side looks good though MS, same issue as me though with funds, also gotta be open to being flexible depending on rookies and whether or not Ellis shapes up as a solid pick.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: crowls on March 04, 2018, 09:52:11 AM
Nice side MS,  not sold that walters/smith will get the mid minutes they need.   McLean is a fwd lock for me,
I have goldy gawn rucks and see goldy being a very reliable 2200 points for the year with all upside over that.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Bully on March 04, 2018, 11:18:38 AM
Looks good in theory & I'm hanging out hope that you will be able to field two forward rookies but................reality is you will probably have to strengthen that line at the expense of your defence. Sicily is the obvious choice.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: DCAK on March 04, 2018, 11:34:35 AM
Spent the last hour playing around with my team and have come up with this.

Laird, Hibberd, Tuohy, Ellis, Doedee, Finlayson (Miochek, Mirra)
Danger, Mitchell, Dusty, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, O'meara, Barry (Kelly, Worpel, Holman)
Goldy, Gawn (Olango)
Heeney, Walters, Smith, Christensen, Fritsch, Ryan (Garlett, Langdon)

got no money left, Tuohy down too Sicily is something I would do if i need cash.

Coniglio I like more than Redden/Libba but that could change
O'meara i like more than Armitage/Griffin but that could change.

thoughts??? really starting to like the look of my side.

By my estimations you have 5 x Midpricers (Players $200k - $500k)
Tuohy ranked 12th total points / 16th for average points DEF in 2017
Ellis ranked 8th for total points / 12th for average points DEF in 2017
I don't think either of them will crack the top 6 DEF in 2018 so why pick them? You'll lose points to opponents with higher ranked defenders, unless you trade them out, in which case you are burning precious trades.
I cannot see Coniglio going top 8 MID so as above applies.
JOM is a massive trap.  I bet my ballsack he will be managed through the season.
Smith is tempting, I think he could go top 6 FWD so he's worth a punt I think.
Christenson is overhyped, he will not crack the top 6 FWD, won't even go close, so IMO not a keeper and as such will need to be traded out at some point.
I try to stick to some golden rules in SC, only pick rolled gold premiums, only pick 1 or max 2 mid pricers. 
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: GoLions on March 04, 2018, 11:41:30 AM
Spent the last hour playing around with my team and have come up with this.

Laird, Hibberd, Tuohy, Ellis, Doedee, Finlayson (Miochek, Mirra)
Danger, Mitchell, Dusty, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, O'meara, Barry (Kelly, Worpel, Holman)
Goldy, Gawn (Olango)
Heeney, Walters, Smith, Christensen, Fritsch, Ryan (Garlett, Langdon)

got no money left, Tuohy down too Sicily is something I would do if i need cash.

Coniglio I like more than Redden/Libba but that could change
O'meara i like more than Armitage/Griffin but that could change.

thoughts??? really starting to like the look of my side.

By my estimations you have 5 x Midpricers (Players $200k - $500k)
Tuohy ranked 12th total points / 16th for average points DEF in 2017
Ellis ranked 8th for total points / 12th for average points DEF in 2017
I don't think either of them will crack the top 6 DEF in 2018 so why pick them? You'll lose points to opponents with higher ranked defenders, unless you trade them out, in which case you are burning precious trades.
I cannot see Coniglio going top 8 MID so as above applies.
JOM is a massive trap.  I bet my ballsack he will be managed through the season.
Smith is tempting, I think he could go top 6 FWD so he's worth a punt I think.
Christenson is overhyped, he will not crack the top 6 FWD, won't even go close, so IMO not a keeper and as such will need to be traded out at some point.
I try to stick to some golden rules in SC, only pick rolled gold premiums, only pick 1 or max 2 mid pricers.
I don't even know where to start with this post.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Bully on March 04, 2018, 11:53:11 AM
Spent the last hour playing around with my team and have come up with this.

Laird, Hibberd, Tuohy, Ellis, Doedee, Finlayson (Miochek, Mirra)
Danger, Mitchell, Dusty, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, O'meara, Barry (Kelly, Worpel, Holman)
Goldy, Gawn (Olango)
Heeney, Walters, Smith, Christensen, Fritsch, Ryan (Garlett, Langdon)

got no money left, Tuohy down too Sicily is something I would do if i need cash.

Coniglio I like more than Redden/Libba but that could change
O'meara i like more than Armitage/Griffin but that could change.

thoughts??? really starting to like the look of my side.

By my estimations you have 5 x Midpricers (Players $200k - $500k)
Tuohy ranked 12th total points / 16th for average points DEF in 2017
Ellis ranked 8th for total points / 12th for average points DEF in 2017
I don't think either of them will crack the top 6 DEF in 2018 so why pick them? You'll lose points to opponents with higher ranked defenders, unless you trade them out, in which case you are burning precious trades.
I cannot see Coniglio going top 8 MID so as above applies.
JOM is a massive trap.  I bet my ballsack he will be managed through the season.
Smith is tempting, I think he could go top 6 FWD so he's worth a punt I think.
Christenson is overhyped, he will not crack the top 6 FWD, won't even go close, so IMO not a keeper and as such will need to be traded out at some point.
I try to stick to some golden rules in SC, only pick rolled gold premiums, only pick 1 or max 2 mid pricers.
I don't even know where to start with this post.

 :-X
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: DCAK on March 04, 2018, 01:02:23 PM
Spent the last hour playing around with my team and have come up with this.

Laird, Hibberd, Tuohy, Ellis, Doedee, Finlayson (Miochek, Mirra)
Danger, Mitchell, Dusty, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, O'meara, Barry (Kelly, Worpel, Holman)
Goldy, Gawn (Olango)
Heeney, Walters, Smith, Christensen, Fritsch, Ryan (Garlett, Langdon)

got no money left, Tuohy down too Sicily is something I would do if i need cash.

Coniglio I like more than Redden/Libba but that could change
O'meara i like more than Armitage/Griffin but that could change.

thoughts??? really starting to like the look of my side.

By my estimations you have 5 x Midpricers (Players $200k - $500k)
Tuohy ranked 12th total points / 16th for average points DEF in 2017
Ellis ranked 8th for total points / 12th for average points DEF in 2017
I don't think either of them will crack the top 6 DEF in 2018 so why pick them? You'll lose points to opponents with higher ranked defenders, unless you trade them out, in which case you are burning precious trades.
I cannot see Coniglio going top 8 MID so as above applies.
JOM is a massive trap.  I bet my ballsack he will be managed through the season.
Smith is tempting, I think he could go top 6 FWD so he's worth a punt I think.
Christenson is overhyped, he will not crack the top 6 FWD, won't even go close, so IMO not a keeper and as such will need to be traded out at some point.
I try to stick to some golden rules in SC, only pick rolled gold premiums, only pick 1 or max 2 mid pricers.
I don't even know where to start with this post.

Speak your mind?
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: ubeaut on March 04, 2018, 01:30:23 PM
Spent the last hour playing around with my team and have come up with this.

Laird, Hibberd, Tuohy, Ellis, Doedee, Finlayson (Miochek, Mirra)
Danger, Mitchell, Dusty, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, O'meara, Barry (Kelly, Worpel, Holman)
Goldy, Gawn (Olango)
Heeney, Walters, Smith, Christensen, Fritsch, Ryan (Garlett, Langdon)

got no money left, Tuohy down too Sicily is something I would do if i need cash.

Coniglio I like more than Redden/Libba but that could change
O'meara i like more than Armitage/Griffin but that could change.

thoughts??? really starting to like the look of my side.

By my estimations you have 5 x Midpricers (Players $200k - $500k)
Tuohy ranked 12th total points / 16th for average points DEF in 2017
Ellis ranked 8th for total points / 12th for average points DEF in 2017
I don't think either of them will crack the top 6 DEF in 2018 so why pick them? You'll lose points to opponents with higher ranked defenders, unless you trade them out, in which case you are burning precious trades.
I cannot see Coniglio going top 8 MID so as above applies.
JOM is a massive trap.  I bet my ballsack he will be managed through the season.
Smith is tempting, I think he could go top 6 FWD so he's worth a punt I think.
Christenson is overhyped, he will not crack the top 6 FWD, won't even go close, so IMO not a keeper and as such will need to be traded out at some point.
I try to stick to some golden rules in SC, only pick rolled gold premiums, only pick 1 or max 2 mid pricers.
Mate I have to disagree. Sticking so strongly to "rules" limits outside the box moves that can really pay off massively. There's more than one way to play the game and past winners have broken some of these so-called rules to their advantage.
Sure, u try and have the best premiums and rookies, but top 10 players every year change,and rookies can get dropped or stagnate in price.
Coniglio doesn't have to be top 8 to be worth picking. At 450 k he is priced at 80. He can avg 100-105 easy which is only 5-10 less than alot of top premiums for 150 k less.
SC is a points and numbers game. Points per dollar is important especially in your starting side.The extra 150 k can be used to get maximum points elsewhere.
Bundy at 270 k Definitely doesn't have to be a top 6 fwd he's more an expensive rookie at only 70 k more. He's there to score more points than a rookie AND make money. Along with JOM and Coniglio he has JS that alot of rookies just don't have.
Yes u will use trades to upgrade them, BUT that's what trades are for and will have to be used on rookies,injuries and badly performing premiums anyway.
I agree with u that obviously trying to have the top 6/8/2/6 players is the way to go. But there is more than one way to get there.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: GoLions on March 04, 2018, 01:35:19 PM
Spent the last hour playing around with my team and have come up with this.

Laird, Hibberd, Tuohy, Ellis, Doedee, Finlayson (Miochek, Mirra)
Danger, Mitchell, Dusty, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, O'meara, Barry (Kelly, Worpel, Holman)
Goldy, Gawn (Olango)
Heeney, Walters, Smith, Christensen, Fritsch, Ryan (Garlett, Langdon)

got no money left, Tuohy down too Sicily is something I would do if i need cash.

Coniglio I like more than Redden/Libba but that could change
O'meara i like more than Armitage/Griffin but that could change.

thoughts??? really starting to like the look of my side.

By my estimations you have 5 x Midpricers (Players $200k - $500k)
Tuohy ranked 12th total points / 16th for average points DEF in 2017
Ellis ranked 8th for total points / 12th for average points DEF in 2017
I don't think either of them will crack the top 6 DEF in 2018 so why pick them? You'll lose points to opponents with higher ranked defenders, unless you trade them out, in which case you are burning precious trades.
I cannot see Coniglio going top 8 MID so as above applies.
JOM is a massive trap.  I bet my ballsack he will be managed through the season.
Smith is tempting, I think he could go top 6 FWD so he's worth a punt I think.
Christenson is overhyped, he will not crack the top 6 FWD, won't even go close, so IMO not a keeper and as such will need to be traded out at some point.
I try to stick to some golden rules in SC, only pick rolled gold premiums, only pick 1 or max 2 mid pricers.
I don't even know where to start with this post.

Speak your mind?
Tuohy: You say he was 12th for total points. Well, Docherty and Williams are both gone for the year, so he is already top 10 by default. Was his first year at the Cats, I'd expect him to improve on that.

Ellis: Similar to Tuohy. 8th for total points, so now would be 6th. What's wrong with that?

Coniglio: He isn't being picked as a top 8 mid. He is being picked because he is a lot cheaper than he is capable of, and can make some cash and be a handy M8 for the end of the season. I'm not starting him myself (atm), but can see why a lot are locking him in.

JOM: Everyone knows he is a risk. Could pay off, could burn you. We have no idea how it will pan out. But if he stays on the park, he should go 90+ and make a lot of cash.

Christensen: Nobody is expecting him to be a top 6 fwd. He is 267k, and if he stays on the park, you'd expect him to average around 85 and make a heap of cash and be a great stepping stone to a premium.

Your rule of players needing to be top 6/8/2/6 doesn't apply to every single player, only the ones that are already priced like that. Otherwise, if we look at the rucks (Gawn, Goldy, Ryder, Kreuzer, Jacobs, Stef, Grundy...), only 2 of them are good picks according to you, and the rest are garbage and a waste to start with because 7 can't fit into 2. Look at the mids (Danger, Dusty, Tmitch, Fyfe, Sloane, MCrouch, Zorko, Beams, Cripps, Pendles, Zerrett, Neale, Jelwood, Ablett, Kelly, Oliver, JPK, Parker, Bont...), only 8 of them are good picks, and the rest are not. Because only 8 of them (or any other mids not mentioned) can be in the top 8 mids.

It's a stupid way of looking at things, and giving people crap advice because you can't understand that not everyone needs to be picked as an elite player, and that there is value to be made as well. This is your latest team update:

Have received my 2018 prospectus this week, has given me food for thought so have made a couple of amendments;

(http://i.imgur.com/QWEQSi5.jpg) (https://imgur.com/QWEQSi5)

What do you think?
I could easily say stuff like:
- Cripps is unlikely to be a top 8 mid over Danger, Dusty, TMitch, MCrouch, Zorko, Fyfe, Neale, Zerrett, Bont, Kelly, etc.
- Jacobs won't score better than Kreuzer, Goldy, Ryder, Grundy, Stef
- Greene will get suspended at some point during the season and therefore not be a top 6 fwd because he will miss games
- Ah Chee will not be a top 6 fwd so is therefore a waste of a starting pick
- Rayner is too expensive and will play fwd and score crap and therefore a waste of a starting pick

But I'm not a giant douche, and realise that there is merit to each of these picks, as there is merit to each of MS's picks as well.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: ubeaut on March 04, 2018, 01:38:01 PM
Also Tuohy and Ellis have just as much chance as others outside top 6-10 to make the jump.
Like I said the top players in each position change alot from one year to next.
Oh, and well said GL.:-)
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: DCAK on March 04, 2018, 02:08:13 PM
Spent the last hour playing around with my team and have come up with this.

Laird, Hibberd, Tuohy, Ellis, Doedee, Finlayson (Miochek, Mirra)
Danger, Mitchell, Dusty, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, O'meara, Barry (Kelly, Worpel, Holman)
Goldy, Gawn (Olango)
Heeney, Walters, Smith, Christensen, Fritsch, Ryan (Garlett, Langdon)

got no money left, Tuohy down too Sicily is something I would do if i need cash.

Coniglio I like more than Redden/Libba but that could change
O'meara i like more than Armitage/Griffin but that could change.

thoughts??? really starting to like the look of my side.

By my estimations you have 5 x Midpricers (Players $200k - $500k)
Tuohy ranked 12th total points / 16th for average points DEF in 2017
Ellis ranked 8th for total points / 12th for average points DEF in 2017
I don't think either of them will crack the top 6 DEF in 2018 so why pick them? You'll lose points to opponents with higher ranked defenders, unless you trade them out, in which case you are burning precious trades.
I cannot see Coniglio going top 8 MID so as above applies.
JOM is a massive trap.  I bet my ballsack he will be managed through the season.
Smith is tempting, I think he could go top 6 FWD so he's worth a punt I think.
Christenson is overhyped, he will not crack the top 6 FWD, won't even go close, so IMO not a keeper and as such will need to be traded out at some point.
I try to stick to some golden rules in SC, only pick rolled gold premiums, only pick 1 or max 2 mid pricers.
I don't even know where to start with this post.

Speak your mind?
Tuohy: You say he was 12th for total points. Well, Docherty and Williams are both gone for the year, so he is already top 10 by default. Was his first year at the Cats, I'd expect him to improve on that.

Ellis: Similar to Tuohy. 8th for total points, so now would be 6th. What's wrong with that?

Coniglio: He isn't being picked as a top 8 mid. He is being picked because he is a lot cheaper than he is capable of, and can make some cash and be a handy M8 for the end of the season. I'm not starting him myself (atm), but can see why a lot are locking him in.

JOM: Everyone knows he is a risk. Could pay off, could burn you. We have no idea how it will pan out. But if he stays on the park, he should go 90+ and make a lot of cash.

Christensen: Nobody is expecting him to be a top 6 fwd. He is 267k, and if he stays on the park, you'd expect him to average around 85 and make a heap of cash and be a great stepping stone to a premium.

Your rule of players needing to be top 6/8/2/6 doesn't apply to every single player, only the ones that are already priced like that. Otherwise, if we look at the rucks (Gawn, Goldy, Ryder, Kreuzer, Jacobs, Stef, Grundy...), only 2 of them are good picks according to you, and the rest are garbage and a waste to start with because 7 can't fit into 2. Look at the mids (Danger, Dusty, Tmitch, Fyfe, Sloane, MCrouch, Zorko, Beams, Cripps, Pendles, Zerrett, Neale, Jelwood, Ablett, Kelly, Oliver, JPK, Parker, Bont...), only 8 of them are good picks, and the rest are not. Because only 8 of them (or any other mids not mentioned) can be in the top 8 mids.

It's a stupid way of looking at things, and giving people crap advice because you can't understand that not everyone needs to be picked as an elite player, and that there is value to be made as well. This is your latest team update:

Have received my 2018 prospectus this week, has given me food for thought so have made a couple of amendments;

(http://i.imgur.com/QWEQSi5.jpg) (https://imgur.com/QWEQSi5)

What do you think?
I could easily say stuff like:
- Cripps is unlikely to be a top 8 mid over Danger, Dusty, TMitch, MCrouch, Zorko, Fyfe, Neale, Zerrett, Bont, Kelly, etc.
- Jacobs won't score better than Kreuzer, Goldy, Ryder, Grundy, Stef
- Greene will get suspended at some point during the season and therefore not be a top 6 fwd because he will miss games
- Ah Chee will not be a top 6 fwd so is therefore a waste of a starting pick
- Rayner is too expensive and will play fwd and score crap and therefore a waste of a starting pick

But I'm not a giant douche, and realise that there is merit to each of these picks, as there is merit to each of MS's picks as well.

 Go ahead, pick a team full of mid pricers then.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Gavdroid on March 04, 2018, 02:21:17 PM
Ellis is probably C Ellis anyway, not B. Just sayin :)

FWIW I like the team, just so much hinging on those fwd rookies, same for everyone. So tough to get scorers there by the looks.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Gandalf123 on March 04, 2018, 02:36:31 PM
This was fantastic, thank you
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: LF on March 04, 2018, 04:13:57 PM
Please keep the personal attacks out of Money Shots team thread.
I do not want to have to lock it temporarily as it's not fair on him,he is wanting feedback on his team not coaches attacking each other
Thank you
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on March 05, 2018, 09:44:04 AM
Ellis is probably C Ellis anyway, not B. Just sayin :)

FWIW I like the team, just so much hinging on those fwd rookies, same for everyone. So tough to get scorers there by the looks.
correct ;)
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on March 05, 2018, 09:44:52 AM
Please keep the personal attacks out of Money Shots team thread.
I do not want to have to lock it temporarily as it's not fair on him,he is wanting feedback on his team not coaches attacking each other
Thank you
haha, I think it is funny too be honest.

Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on March 06, 2018, 01:28:01 PM
Laird, Hibberd, Simpson, C. Ellis, Doedee, Finlayson (Keefe, Goddard)
Danger, Martin, Titch, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, O'meara, Barry (Kelly, Worpel, Holman)
Goldy, Gawn (Olango)
Smith, Petracca, Sicily, Bundy, Venables, Fritsch (Garlett, Ryan)
100k cash left

round 12: Simpson, Titch, Cripps, O'meara
round 13: Hibberd, Coniglio, Goldy, Gawn, Smith, Petracca, Bundy
round 14: Laird, Danger, Martin, Fyfe

Simpson could become Yeo/Hurley
not set on F1-F3 but see plenty of upside in all 3 picks with not much downside.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: rodneycc on March 06, 2018, 02:41:34 PM
My turn to return the favor MS :-)

I actually like your 2-march team with Sicily for Tuohy the best. And if you can then do maybe Cripps to Kelly (the GWS variety). That would be about the best Mid line I've seen, maybe lite on in Def but still Ok in Fwd.

I wouldn't be too worried about the byes. Bundy for instance I think you might get rid of him by R13.

Anyway Good luck with it. I'm sure there will be a couple more versions after JLT2  :)
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: ubeaut on March 06, 2018, 02:49:17 PM
Laird, Hibberd, Simpson, C. Ellis, Doedee, Finlayson (Keefe, Goddard)
Danger, Martin, Titch, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, O'meara, Barry (Kelly, Worpel, Holman)
Goldy, Gawn (Olango)
Smith, Petracca, Sicily, Bundy, Venables, Fritsch (Garlett, Ryan)
100k cash left

round 12: Simpson, Titch, Cripps, O'meara
round 13: Hibberd, Coniglio, Goldy, Gawn, Smith, Petracca, Bundy
round 14: Laird, Danger, Martin, Fyfe

Simpson could become Yeo/Hurley
not set on F1-F3 but see plenty of upside in all 3 picks with not much downside.
Solid everywhere except maybe fwds.
That midfield is awesome.
Is that 100k u have left or 1k? If 100k I would upgrade Petracca to Billings/Heeney. Just think u need a more solid top 6 fwd chance as Smith,Sicily and Petracca all together too risky and taking 3 spots. Would balance bye players too.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on March 06, 2018, 02:52:38 PM
My turn to return the favor MS :-)

I actually like your 2-march team with Sicily for Tuohy the best. And if you can then do maybe Cripps to Kelly (the GWS variety). That would be about the best Mid line I've seen, maybe lite on in Def but still Ok in Fwd.

I wouldn't be too worried about the byes. Bundy for instance I think you might get rid of him by R13.

Anyway Good luck with it. I'm sure there will be a couple more versions after JLT2  :)
Thanks mate, I looked into Tuohy a little bit more and just don't see how he will get points with Duncan, Selwood, Ablett, Danger, Smith, Menegola etc which is why I have upgraded too Simpson who is just a sure thing for a 90-95 average with the perfect bye.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on March 06, 2018, 03:22:02 PM
Laird, Hibberd, Simpson, C. Ellis, Doedee, Finlayson (Keefe, Goddard)
Danger, Martin, Titch, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, O'meara, Barry (Kelly, Worpel, Holman)
Goldy, Gawn (Olango)
Smith, Petracca, Sicily, Bundy, Venables, Fritsch (Garlett, Ryan)
100k cash left

round 12: Simpson, Titch, Cripps, O'meara
round 13: Hibberd, Coniglio, Goldy, Gawn, Smith, Petracca, Bundy
round 14: Laird, Danger, Martin, Fyfe

Simpson could become Yeo/Hurley
not set on F1-F3 but see plenty of upside in all 3 picks with not much downside.
Solid everywhere except maybe fwds.
That midfield is awesome.
Is that 100k u have left or 1k? If 100k I would upgrade Petracca to Billings/Heeney. Just think u need a more solid top 6 fwd chance as Smith,Sicily and Petracca all together too risky and taking 3 spots. Would balance bye players too.
It is 100k which means I can go Petracca to Heeney if need be but would rather wait and see.

Simpson to Yeo/Hurley is something I am considering for a little bit extra piece of mind.

F1-F3 could become anyone of Walters, Billings, Greene, Heeney.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Bully on March 06, 2018, 05:05:09 PM
Laird, Hibberd, Simpson, C. Ellis, Doedee, Finlayson (Keefe, Goddard)
Danger, Martin, Titch, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, O'meara, Barry (Kelly, Worpel, Holman)
Goldy, Gawn (Olango)
Smith, Petracca, Sicily, Bundy, Venables, Fritsch (Garlett, Ryan)
100k cash left

round 12: Simpson, Titch, Cripps, O'meara
round 13: Hibberd, Coniglio, Goldy, Gawn, Smith, Petracca, Bundy
round 14: Laird, Danger, Martin, Fyfe

Simpson could become Yeo/Hurley
not set on F1-F3 but see plenty of upside in all 3 picks with not much downside.
Solid everywhere except maybe fwds.
That midfield is awesome.
Is that 100k u have left or 1k? If 100k I would upgrade Petracca to Billings/Heeney. Just think u need a more solid top 6 fwd chance as Smith,Sicily and Petracca all together too risky and taking 3 spots. Would balance bye players too.
It is 100k which means I can go Petracca to Heeney if need be but would rather wait and see.

Simpson to Yeo/Hurley is something I am considering for a little bit extra piece of mind.

F1-F3 could become anyone of Walters, Billings, Greene, Heeney.

Hurley's last 39 games have been outstanding, 22 tons & a further 11 games over 80. This type of consistency tells me he might be tough to get in at a later stage.

Simmo on the other hand can string a few dud performances together, only 7 tons last year. Probably flattered a bit by his 148 & 142.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Southstorm on March 06, 2018, 08:02:56 PM
Hartley and Ambrose are both fit at the moment so Hurley will be picking up where he left off. It's only when he needs to play more defensively man-on-man that his scoring suffers.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on March 06, 2018, 09:27:23 PM
Laird, Hibberd, Simpson, C. Ellis, Doedee, Finlayson (Keefe, Goddard)
Danger, Martin, Titch, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, O'meara, Barry (Kelly, Worpel, Holman)
Goldy, Gawn (Olango)
Smith, Petracca, Sicily, Bundy, Venables, Fritsch (Garlett, Ryan)
100k cash left

round 12: Simpson, Titch, Cripps, O'meara
round 13: Hibberd, Coniglio, Goldy, Gawn, Smith, Petracca, Bundy
round 14: Laird, Danger, Martin, Fyfe

Simpson could become Yeo/Hurley
not set on F1-F3 but see plenty of upside in all 3 picks with not much downside.
Solid everywhere except maybe fwds.
That midfield is awesome.
Is that 100k u have left or 1k? If 100k I would upgrade Petracca to Billings/Heeney. Just think u need a more solid top 6 fwd chance as Smith,Sicily and Petracca all together too risky and taking 3 spots. Would balance bye players too.
It is 100k which means I can go Petracca to Heeney if need be but would rather wait and see.

Simpson to Yeo/Hurley is something I am considering for a little bit extra piece of mind.

F1-F3 could become anyone of Walters, Billings, Greene, Heeney.

Hurley's last 39 games have been outstanding, 22 tons & a further 11 games over 80. This type of consistency tells me he might be tough to get in at a later stage.

Simmo on the other hand can string a few dud performances together, only 7 tons last year. Probably flattered a bit by his 148 & 142.
Really interesting points, will investigate more.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on March 07, 2018, 03:10:53 PM
Hurley, Laird, Hibberd, C. Ellis, Doedee, Finlayson (Murray, Keefe)
Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, O'meara, Barry (Kelly, Worpel, Holman)
Goldy, Gawn (Cameron)
Smith, Petracca, Sicily, Christensen, Venables, Fritsch (Garlett, Ryan)
$35,000

Really starting to like the look of this team. Forward line is weak but with me not really confident on any of the top picks at this stage Spending 100k less on F1-F3 allows me to make the rest of my team really solid.

Round 12: Mitchell, Cripps, O'meara, Sicily
Round 13: Hurley, Hibberd, Coniglio, Goldy, Gawn, Smith, Petracca
Round 14: Laird, Danger, Martin, Fyfe

Really happy with the bye set up as it gives me some breathing room around the round 14 bye. Round 13 will be tough but I think I will be able to manage.

One thing that my team doesn't have at the moment is a floating donut as Cameron could see plenty of games early with Naismith out for the season.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: ubeaut on March 07, 2018, 03:42:49 PM
I said this earlier but upgrading Petracca to Heeney/Billings gives u a more reliable F1 and helps even bye players out.
Maybe if C.Ellis isn't named or looks like JS is shaky and enough rookies are named u could get the cash there.
Otherwise looks great. Hurley/Hibberd/Laird is a strong backline combo.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on March 07, 2018, 03:47:44 PM
I said this earlier but upgrading Petracca to Heeney/Billings gives u a more reliable F1 and helps even bye players out.
Maybe if C.Ellis isn't named or looks like JS is shaky and enough rookies are named u could get the cash there.
Otherwise looks great. Hurley/Hibberd/Laird is a strong backline combo.
Yep I do agree with you but I can't get every player I wan't sadly and think the forward line is a lottery this year and think Smith, Petracca and Sicily are all a good chance to got 90+ and be in the top 10 forwards.

Ellis I will be watching very closlely tonight and if he doesn't perform he will be straightswapped for Byrne or downgraded to Coffield. The downgrade to Coffield would allow me to turn Petracca into Heeney with not tooooo much swapping around of other players.

Thanks for your thoughts though and they have been noted.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Bully on March 07, 2018, 06:49:04 PM
Ellis comes with the same risk as a rookie, Rioli due back soon, Broad back from suspension, Conca fit and best 22. Will need to perform strongly every week.

I'd be going Ellis down to Coffield/Naughton, Petracca up to Billings. 
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on March 07, 2018, 10:14:13 PM
Ellis comes with the same risk as a rookie, Rioli due back soon, Broad back from suspension, Conca fit and best 22. Will need to perform strongly every week.

I'd be going Ellis down to Coffield/Naughton, Petracca up to Billings.
That move is defintely on the cards.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: fasttrack13 on March 08, 2018, 03:30:27 PM
As mentioned, upgrading Petracca is a must. Only averaged 89 when he collected more than 20 possessions last year.

I think your forward line is way too fragile, 4 guys who'll probably average at the lower end of the 50's, plus only trust JS of fritsch given his 1 on 1 capabilities.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on March 08, 2018, 04:58:36 PM
As mentioned, upgrading Petracca is a must. Only averaged 89 when he collected more than 20 possessions last year.

I think your forward line is way too fragile, 4 guys who'll probably average at the lower end of the 50's, plus only trust JS of fritsch given his 1 on 1 capabilities.
I think he could turn into a pure midfielder this season and go 90-95 which would be a good return but in saying that my forward line is way to weak.

Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on March 09, 2018, 11:11:19 AM
Although I love having an O'meara/Armitage type and M7 it compromises the rest of my team.

Hurley, Laird, Hibberd, Coffield, Doedee, Finlayson (Murray, Murphy)
Danger, Dusty, Titch, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, Banfield, Barry (Kelly, Worpel, Holman)
Goldy, Gawn (Cameron)
Heeney, Greene, Billings, Bundy, Venables, Fritsch (Garlett, Ryan)
$4,000

Finally happy with my team with 13 players who I see being top 10 in there position with Coniglio being a M8 keeper and Bundy as well. 14 true keepers.

Round 12: Mitchell, Cripps
Round 13: Hurley, Hibberd, Coniglio, Goldy, Gawn, Greene, Bundy
Round 14: Laird, Danger, Dusty, Fyfe, Heeney, Billings

Good spread on the byes just need to target Carlton, Hawthorn, Bull dogs and eagles players early which I think I can.

Really happy with this team and think it could be very close to what I line up with for round 1.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Bully on March 09, 2018, 11:55:56 AM
I think I will be dumping all the mid pricers too, just can't seem to get the balance right. The 3 rookies in defence is the way to go, not overly keen on F5 exposed liked that but something has to give if you want Dusty & TMitch.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: MontyJnr on March 09, 2018, 12:10:34 PM
Although I love having an O'meara/Armitage type and M7 it compromises the rest of my team.

Hurley, Laird, Hibberd, Coffield, Doedee, Finlayson (Murray, Murphy)
Danger, Dusty, Titch, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, Banfield, Barry (Kelly, Worpel, Holman)
Goldy, Gawn (Cameron)
Heeney, Greene, Billings, Bundy, Venables, Fritsch (Garlett, Ryan)
$4,000

Finally happy with my team with 13 players who I see being top 10 in there position with Coniglio being a M8 keeper and Bundy as well. 14 true keepers.

Round 12: Mitchell, Cripps
Round 13: Hurley, Hibberd, Coniglio, Goldy, Gawn, Greene, Bundy
Round 14: Laird, Danger, Dusty, Fyfe, Heeney, Billings

Good spread on the byes just need to target Carlton, Hawthorn, Bull dogs and eagles players early which I think I can.

Really happy with this team and think it could be very close to what I line up with for round 1.

Cripps & Coniglio will be a weak M7 & M8 IMO. I would only want to carry one of those guys.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on March 09, 2018, 12:17:08 PM
I think I will be dumping all the mid pricers too, just can't seem to get the balance right. The 3 rookies in defence is the way to go, not overly keen on F5 exposed liked that but something has to give if you want Dusty & TMitch.
100% agree Bully and thanks for all your help. D4 has been bugging me all preseason so I have just decided to go for a rookie, Coffield looks really composed out there and although his scoring won't be great he is cheap enough too make some decent coin regardless.

I'm sure one of Brayshaw/Seedsman/Byrne/Ellis will pay off but if they dont it extra 50-150k and stuff it up.

Money better used else where I say.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on March 09, 2018, 12:53:34 PM
Although I love having an O'meara/Armitage type and M7 it compromises the rest of my team.

Hurley, Laird, Hibberd, Coffield, Doedee, Finlayson (Murray, Murphy)
Danger, Dusty, Titch, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, Banfield, Barry (Kelly, Worpel, Holman)
Goldy, Gawn (Cameron)
Heeney, Greene, Billings, Bundy, Venables, Fritsch (Garlett, Ryan)
$4,000

Finally happy with my team with 13 players who I see being top 10 in there position with Coniglio being a M8 keeper and Bundy as well. 14 true keepers.

Round 12: Mitchell, Cripps
Round 13: Hurley, Hibberd, Coniglio, Goldy, Gawn, Greene, Bundy
Round 14: Laird, Danger, Dusty, Fyfe, Heeney, Billings

Good spread on the byes just need to target Carlton, Hawthorn, Bull dogs and eagles players early which I think I can.

Really happy with this team and think it could be very close to what I line up with for round 1.

Cripps & Coniglio will be a weak M7 & M8 IMO. I would only want to carry one of those guys.
Lets agree to disagree there I reckon.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Torpedo10 on March 09, 2018, 05:20:26 PM
Although I love having an O'meara/Armitage type and M7 it compromises the rest of my team.

Hurley, Laird, Hibberd, Coffield, Doedee, Finlayson (Murray, Murphy)
Danger, Dusty, Titch, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, Banfield, Barry (Kelly, Worpel, Holman)
Goldy, Gawn (Cameron)
Heeney, Greene, Billings, Bundy, Venables, Fritsch (Garlett, Ryan)
$4,000

Finally happy with my team with 13 players who I see being top 10 in there position with Coniglio being a M8 keeper and Bundy as well. 14 true keepers.

Round 12: Mitchell, Cripps
Round 13: Hurley, Hibberd, Coniglio, Goldy, Gawn, Greene, Bundy
Round 14: Laird, Danger, Dusty, Fyfe, Heeney, Billings

Good spread on the byes just need to target Carlton, Hawthorn, Bull dogs and eagles players early which I think I can.

Really happy with this team and think it could be very close to what I line up with for round 1.
High quality team! Very Guns & Rooks. That forwardline could be prone to some heavy cash loss, so I'd be careful of that. 13 Prems is great, 7 rookies by my count is a few too many, but it really does depend on how they go in JLT3. If they go well, I think it's fair to say their frequency will dramatically increase in many teams.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: zoomba23 on March 09, 2018, 05:46:00 PM
Just need some advice on Simpson. Currently he's D3 but I'm becoming less sure about him by the day. Turning 34, only 7 tons last season. Wondering if I should switch him up to a Lloyd or someone just for more job security. Lloyd at least is a consistent 90, whereas I don't know if Simmo could do the same this season. Has age finally caught up with him?
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on March 10, 2018, 10:15:42 AM
Although I love having an O'meara/Armitage type and M7 it compromises the rest of my team.

Hurley, Laird, Hibberd, Coffield, Doedee, Finlayson (Murray, Murphy)
Danger, Dusty, Titch, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, Banfield, Barry (Kelly, Worpel, Holman)
Goldy, Gawn (Cameron)
Heeney, Greene, Billings, Bundy, Venables, Fritsch (Garlett, Ryan)
$4,000

Finally happy with my team with 13 players who I see being top 10 in there position with Coniglio being a M8 keeper and Bundy as well. 14 true keepers.

Round 12: Mitchell, Cripps
Round 13: Hurley, Hibberd, Coniglio, Goldy, Gawn, Greene, Bundy
Round 14: Laird, Danger, Dusty, Fyfe, Heeney, Billings

Good spread on the byes just need to target Carlton, Hawthorn, Bull dogs and eagles players early which I think I can.

Really happy with this team and think it could be very close to what I line up with for round 1.
High quality team! Very Guns & Rooks. That forwardline could be prone to some heavy cash loss, so I'd be careful of that. 13 Prems is great, 7 rookies by my count is a few too many, but it really does depend on how they go in JLT3. If they go well, I think it's fair to say their frequency will dramatically increase in many teams.
Thanks, if enough rookies get up i will deffs being going with this strategy.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on March 10, 2018, 10:17:31 AM
Just need some advice on Simpson. Currently he's D3 but I'm becoming less sure about him by the day. Turning 34, only 7 tons last season. Wondering if I should switch him up to a Lloyd or someone just for more job security. Lloyd at least is a consistent 90, whereas I don't know if Simmo could do the same this season. Has age finally caught up with him?
Personally he is a wait and see! Laird/Hibberd/Hurley/Yeo are all much safer for a little bit more!
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: HoleMeal on March 11, 2018, 08:44:38 AM
Although I love having an O'meara/Armitage type and M7 it compromises the rest of my team.

Hurley, Laird, Hibberd, Coffield, Doedee, Finlayson (Murray, Murphy)
Danger, Dusty, Titch, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, Banfield, Barry (Kelly, Worpel, Holman)
Goldy, Gawn (Cameron)
Heeney, Greene, Billings, Bundy, Venables, Fritsch (Garlett, Ryan)
$4,000

Finally happy with my team with 13 players who I see being top 10 in there position with Coniglio being a M8 keeper and Bundy as well. 14 true keepers.

Round 12: Mitchell, Cripps
Round 13: Hurley, Hibberd, Coniglio, Goldy, Gawn, Greene, Bundy
Round 14: Laird, Danger, Dusty, Fyfe, Heeney, Billings

Good spread on the byes just need to target Carlton, Hawthorn, Bull dogs and eagles players early which I think I can.

Really happy with this team and think it could be very close to what I line up with for round 1.
High quality team! Very Guns & Rooks. That forwardline could be prone to some heavy cash loss, so I'd be careful of that. 13 Prems is great, 7 rookies by my count is a few too many, but it really does depend on how they go in JLT3. If they go well, I think it's fair to say their frequency will dramatically increase in many teams.
Thanks, if enough rookies get up i will deffs being going with this strategy.
I like this team a lot.
However I see the issue being rookie mids- Worpel and Barry looking unlikely for round 1. As is Murphy and Garlett. I realize it is speculative but if these guys don't get named then there will be a fair bit of moving around of the chess pieces.

You could turn a premo back into a Keefe or Payne and turn Barry into any one of Libba, Hanners etc.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: SilverLion on March 11, 2018, 09:38:09 AM
Although I love having an O'meara/Armitage type and M7 it compromises the rest of my team.

Hurley, Laird, Hibberd, Coffield, Doedee, Finlayson (Murray, Murphy)
Danger, Dusty, Titch, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, Banfield, Barry (Kelly, Worpel, Holman)
Goldy, Gawn (Cameron)
Heeney, Greene, Billings, Bundy, Venables, Fritsch (Garlett, Ryan)
$4,000

Finally happy with my team with 13 players who I see being top 10 in there position with Coniglio being a M8 keeper and Bundy as well. 14 true keepers.

Round 12: Mitchell, Cripps
Round 13: Hurley, Hibberd, Coniglio, Goldy, Gawn, Greene, Bundy
Round 14: Laird, Danger, Dusty, Fyfe, Heeney, Billings

Good spread on the byes just need to target Carlton, Hawthorn, Bull dogs and eagles players early which I think I can.

Really happy with this team and think it could be very close to what I line up with for round 1.
Side looks great mate

Concerned with Worpel, Murphy and Venables getting a game Rd. 1 though.

Currently, would go:

Murphy --> Keeffe (-21k)
Venables --> Fogarty (-30k)
Worpel --> And. Brayshaw (-81k)
Greene/Heeney --> D. Smith (+90k) or Sicily (+140k)

And a couple of smaller tweaks to allow those moves to happen.
Title: Re: Money Shot 2018
Post by: Money Shot on March 11, 2018, 03:08:04 PM
Yep alot will depend on rookies but think there should be enough cheapies to get this done.