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Title: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on January 11, 2018, 09:58:19 AM
vote for top 2 and list top 5.

Gawn
Ryder
Kreuzer
Jacobs
McEvoy

Really just a stab in the dark this year.

Goldy will be replaced by Preuss by seasons end meaning a drastic drop in points as well as being traded too a team in the premiership window in need of a ruck in the trade period for a draft pick at around the 40 mark.

Martin too share the ruck load with Smith or McInerey as they develop there rucks of the future which will see him drop in points and not be a viable option.

Grundy will have to spend time with Cox before Buckley gets axed in the late rounds of the season. Next season Cox won't get a game and Grundy/Gawn will be the dominate combo.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on January 11, 2018, 10:09:53 AM
Most points
Gawn
Kruezer
Ryder
Jacobs
McEvoy
Good comments MS.     Ruck sharing sucks for SC scoring.
I cannot see NicNat putting in 20+ games so for me he is best a first half season goat option.     
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on January 11, 2018, 10:15:14 AM
Most points
Gawn
Kruezer
Ryder
Jacobs
McEvoy
Good comments MS.     Ruck sharing sucks for SC scoring.
I cannot see NicNat putting in 20+ games so for me he is best a first half season goat option.   
In the perfect world Nic Nat plays all games up until round 11 for a 95 average (if he is scoring more than that you would be inclined to keep him which would probably end bad) and makes some money. We Can then trade to Ryder who has went down a little bit in value while maintaing his 105 average for cover over the byes.

However by round 11 im sure there will be many other issues that need attention before trading out a guy like Nic Nat.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jfitty on January 11, 2018, 10:17:47 AM
For me:

Gawn
Ryder
Kreuzer
Jacobs
Grundy/Martin

NicNat will be up there in terms of average - but agree that I don't think he'll play every game. Still a lock from the start though.

I really like Ryder this year - he'll definitely continue on his form from last season. Gawn is the elite ruck in the comp, and Kreuzer should be solid again if he can stay healthy.

I still think Grundy and Martin can be around the top 5, but I'd be surprised if they averaged over 100.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: LordSneeze on January 11, 2018, 10:21:44 AM
Pretty confident with Gawn & Ryder being top 5

The others is anyones guess.
I think it will be
Goldy
Martin
Jacobs
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on January 11, 2018, 10:22:25 AM
Most points
Gawn
Kruezer
Ryder
Jacobs
McEvoy
Good comments MS.     Ruck sharing sucks for SC scoring.
I cannot see NicNat putting in 20+ games so for me he is best a first half season goat option.   
In the perfect world Nic Nat plays all games up until round 11 for a 95 average (if he is scoring more than that you would be inclined to keep him which would probably end bad) and makes some money. We Can then trade to Ryder who has went down a little bit in value while maintaing his 105 average for cover over the byes.

However by round 11 im sure there will be many other issues that need attention before trading out a guy like Nic Nat.
That is the problem with these type of strategies.  come mid season we are in the middle of it all it becomes easy to defer what we should be focussed on.   
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on January 11, 2018, 10:22:57 AM
Jacobs
Gawn
Kreuzer
Ryder
Martin
Naitanui
McEvoy
Grundy
Goldstein
Witts

Jacobs the most likely to play all 22, thus the most likely to have the highest EOY total IMO.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on January 11, 2018, 10:27:47 AM
Most points
Gawn
Kruezer
Ryder
Jacobs
McEvoy
Good comments MS.     Ruck sharing sucks for SC scoring.
I cannot see NicNat putting in 20+ games so for me he is best a first half season goat option.   
In the perfect world Nic Nat plays all games up until round 11 for a 95 average (if he is scoring more than that you would be inclined to keep him which would probably end bad) and makes some money. We Can then trade to Ryder who has went down a little bit in value while maintaing his 105 average for cover over the byes.

However by round 11 im sure there will be many other issues that need attention before trading out a guy like Nic Nat.
That is the problem with these type of strategies.  come mid season we are in the middle of it all it becomes easy to defer what we should be focussed on.
Exactly. I think Naitnuai's value is too good too pass up and ideally I would use him as a small stepping stone but there is a good chance I will be stuck with him for the season haha.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on January 11, 2018, 10:29:53 AM
Jacobs
Gawn
Kreuzer
Ryder
Martin
Naitanui
McEvoy
Grundy
Goldstein
Witts

Jacobs the most likely to play all 22, thus the most likely to have the highest EOY total IMO.
Fair enough. Gawn probably only needs to play 18-19 games to have the most points at the end of the season however and Ryder and Kreuzer seem to be past there injury troubles but I agree Jacobs is most likely to play 22.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on January 11, 2018, 11:35:59 AM
Ryder
Kreuzer
Gawn
Jacobs
Witts

Ryder and Kreuzer for 1 and 2 and I have thrown Witts in as a roughy for top 5 think he can improve along with GC team but will start Gawn and either Kreuzer or Ryder but still can't get excited about Nic Nat that horrible word " degenerative " when they were talking about his knee just scares me off
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: meow meow on January 11, 2018, 12:35:28 PM
We Can then trade to Ryder who has went down a little bit in value while maintaing his 105 average for cover over the byes.

Wouldn't mind swapping NN too Paddy after he was went down a bit. He should be the dominate ruckman after there bye.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on January 11, 2018, 01:02:19 PM
We Can then trade to Ryder who has went down a little bit in value while maintaing his 105 average for cover over the byes.

Wouldn't mind swapping NN too Paddy after he was went down a bit. He should be the dominate ruckman after there bye.
Ideally, this is what I plan on doing.

But there will be bigger problems come round 11 so who knows what will actually happen.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Grufflez on January 11, 2018, 01:47:06 PM
No fkn clue.

Rucks are going to be very important this year.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on January 11, 2018, 02:30:32 PM
Gawn
Witts
NN
Longer
Bellchambers
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on January 11, 2018, 02:43:31 PM
No fkn clue.

Rucks are going to be very important this year.

Agree on the first comment but not on the second.

my answer to the original question is who cares.

barring injury the obvious set up for me is NN Gawn, the fact people are struggling to come up with who is the number 1 option proves this.




Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Sabretooth Tigers on January 11, 2018, 10:13:48 PM
 ???

Gawn
Ryder
Kreuzer
Naitanui
The rest

This line doesn't really have a lot going against it ATM. The obvious and very popular combo of Gawn and Nicnat until one goes down, then the in form ruck at the time seems the most pain free way to go.

 ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on January 11, 2018, 10:34:40 PM
I'm not picking Gawn/Nicnat just to wait and see on others. I actually think they will be 2 of the top 4 along with Ryder and Kreuz so it's a no brainer to pick them
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on January 11, 2018, 10:54:31 PM
At the moment I am starting Gawn and Jacobs. Think Jacobs is slowly getting back to 2015 form and with the Crows being in contention this year and the inclusion of Gibbs can see him increasing his avearge,
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on January 11, 2018, 11:14:13 PM
At the moment I am starting Gawn and Jacobs. Think Jacobs is slowly getting back to 2015 form and with the Crows being in contention this year and the inclusion of Gibbs can see him increasing his avearge,

Very durable too having only missed 4 games in the past 6 seasons
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Grufflez on January 12, 2018, 03:05:09 PM
No fkn clue.

Rucks are going to be very important this year.

Agree on the first comment but not on the second.

my answer to the original question is who cares.

barring injury the obvious set up for me is NN Gawn, the fact people are struggling to come up with who is the number 1 option proves this.

You have a solid point here.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Peter on January 13, 2018, 06:31:25 AM
Gawn & NN and then to Kruezer once one gets injured
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on January 14, 2018, 06:49:08 AM
I’m fairly certain that Ryder will be the #1 ruck in SC but given his bye I will starting Gawn and NN like most.
Ryder, Gawn, Jacobs, Kreuzer, Stef... my top 5... will be interesting to revisit this thread at year’s end to see how far off I am.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Sabretooth Tigers on January 14, 2018, 07:50:34 PM
I'm not picking Gawn/Nicnat just to wait and see on others. I actually think they will be 2 of the top 4 along with Ryder and Kreuz so it's a no brainer to pick them

Sorry, didn't mean it the way it sounded. I don't think that both can get through 22 games. So when, or if the shower hits the fan, I'll pick up the in form alternative.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Huttabito on January 15, 2018, 10:51:46 AM
At the moment I am starting Gawn and Jacobs. Think Jacobs is slowly getting back to 2015 form and with the Crows being in contention this year and the inclusion of Gibbs can see him increasing his avearge,
He's certainly not the worse pick this year and needs to be strongly considered.

Would like to start Ryder but it's hard to fit him in with the Rd10 bye, especially with the lack of ruck cover.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: PassivePenguin on January 18, 2018, 11:27:30 PM
"His injury was a bigger injury than other ACLs (anterior cruciate ligament)," said leading Perth orthopaedic surgeon Peter Annear, who performed the operation to repair Naitanui's knee.

"When you rupture your ACL that is one part of the injury, but it is often the secondary injury.

"He had a big bone injury and that was very much why on the medical side of things we have gone slower with him."

"He certainly won't be, in the first half of the season, the player he was before the injury," said Dr Annear.

"We can wiggle his knee and say he is stable, his movement is good, his muscle is good," explained Dr Annear.

"But all those subtle, what we call 'proprioceptive-type' movements — where he feels where his knee is on the field — that will improve and still be improving. That takes (another) 12 months.

"If you talk to footy coaches it is a two-year recovery, so this first year back after an ACL they tend not to play as well, they tend to be improving out to their pre-injury level."

So with history as a guide, it will be a while until we see the 201-centimetre, 110-kilogram ruckman back to his best.

Naitanui looks to be a no go from here.

So the choices now are

Kreuzer - Gawn,
Kreuzer - Ryder or
Ryder - Gawn
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on January 19, 2018, 12:46:43 AM
Jacobs - Gawn for me

Ryder has the shower bye which means a donut or a wasted trade

Kruezer is a bit pricey for me, will consider him if there is plenty of cheap rookies out there
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on January 19, 2018, 04:51:07 AM
"His injury was a bigger injury than other ACLs (anterior cruciate ligament)," said leading Perth orthopaedic surgeon Peter Annear, who performed the operation to repair Naitanui's knee.

"When you rupture your ACL that is one part of the injury, but it is often the secondary injury.

"He had a big bone injury and that was very much why on the medical side of things we have gone slower with him."

"He certainly won't be, in the first half of the season, the player he was before the injury," said Dr Annear.

"We can wiggle his knee and say he is stable, his movement is good, his muscle is good," explained Dr Annear.

"But all those subtle, what we call 'proprioceptive-type' movements — where he feels where his knee is on the field — that will improve and still be improving. That takes (another) 12 months.

"If you talk to footy coaches it is a two-year recovery, so this first year back after an ACL they tend not to play as well, they tend to be improving out to their pre-injury level."

So with history as a guide, it will be a while until we see the 201-centimetre, 110-kilogram ruckman back to his best.

Naitanui looks to be a no go from here.

So the choices now are

Kreuzer - Gawn,
Kreuzer - Ryder or
Ryder - Gawn
That is a massive negative. Haven’t heard or read anything like that before.
I need to find some cash now for another option.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on January 19, 2018, 07:57:32 AM
Damn doctors should keep there mouths shut they already sprouted off about his knee being a degenerative problem last year and people were still picking him now this has come out any chance of a advantage gone now  :'(
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on January 19, 2018, 08:46:53 AM
It doesn't really put me off at all. If he plays he's  in my side because he will go 95+ even if he's only playing at 70%
The worry is him being rested
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on January 19, 2018, 08:48:20 AM
Damn doctors should keep there mouths shut they already sprouted off about his knee being a degenerative problem last year and people were still picking him now this has come out any chance of a advantage gone now  :'(
A lot of people will still pick him in my opinion. However, I won't be.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on January 19, 2018, 08:52:38 AM
As has always been the case, will monitor him in JLT. If hers through and plays Rd. 1 I'd find it hard not to pick him.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on January 19, 2018, 08:56:49 AM
What are peoples thoughts on Zac Smith as a pod???

He finished the year with scores of 133, 119, 80, 103, 103 and with GAJ coming into the side making Geelong have the strongest (or one of) midfields in the league he could improve his hit outs to advantage as well. Also has a nice bye.

I think he is as good a chance as any to be in the top 5 rucks come seasons end and he is slightly cheaper than Goldy/Jacobs etc.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on January 19, 2018, 08:58:32 AM
What are peoples thoughts on Zac Smith as a pod???

He finished the year with scores of 133, 119, 80, 103, 103 and with GAJ coming into the side making Geelong have the strongest (or one of) midfields in the league he could improve his hit outs to advantage as well. Also has a nice bye.

I think he is as good a chance as any to be in the top 5 rucks come seasons end and he is slightly cheaper than Goldy/Jacobs etc.
He's a possibility definitely. But I'm finding it hard to consider all these Geelong players due to their bye and also how feasible is it to have 10ish players in a side all go 95+.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on January 19, 2018, 09:01:17 AM
What are peoples thoughts on Zac Smith as a pod???

He finished the year with scores of 133, 119, 80, 103, 103 and with GAJ coming into the side making Geelong have the strongest (or one of) midfields in the league he could improve his hit outs to advantage as well. Also has a nice bye.

I think he is as good a chance as any to be in the top 5 rucks come seasons end and he is slightly cheaper than Goldy/Jacobs etc.
He's a possibility definitely. But I'm finding it hard to consider all these Geelong players due to their bye and also how feasible is it to have 10ish players in a side all go 95+.
Yeah that is true but in a ruckmans case wouldn'y having GAJ, Danger, Selwood and Duncan at your feet only help your points per game?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on January 19, 2018, 09:59:14 AM
I wouldn't wish injury upon anyone but boy it would be handy if Kreuzer was out for the year. Lobbe at $253,000 would be a steal
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on January 19, 2018, 10:42:18 AM
Beside Gawn the rucks are an absolute lottery.
I've just spent another 1-2 hours researching them some more and am none the wiser.
Kreuzer - 603k too expensive to start, should go well but injury risks in past and historically top rucks don't back up.
Ryder - second most expensive but R10 bye makes him hard to start, really want to start him as I think he'll be 110/ 2300pts.
Jacobs - solid, should be a real safe pick, play most games 100-105 / 2200pts
Martin - had a great 2017, but risk of missing games in the past, first ruck but Smith and McInerney on the up too. 95-100/ 2000pts
Gawn - locked. 105-110/ 2250-2350pts
Grundy - not at his price and with Cox in the team.
McEvoy - cheaper version of Jacobs. 100 ave/ 2000-2100pts
Goldy- who knows? Preuss is the future. Not for me. Could get anything from 30s-130s plus games missed.
Witts - could stagnate or improve further, speculative pick, worth considering but unsure on his present status.
Bellchambers - at his best he's great, too inconsistent and too many stinkers.
Z Smith - can make a case for him, could be anywhere from 1800- 2200pts if he has a good season. Buzza emerging type.
Nankervis- doesn't represent value to me.
Sandilands - 35 years old, Freo would be happy to get 15 games out of him. Darcy on the up.
Darcy - at price and with Sandi still about, can't entertain any thoughts of him.
Nic Nat - still have to consider, pre-season form and reports will determine his place in teams. Headache material with Vardy and Lycett too.
Longer - not enough high scores and too many stinkers, not a major winner of the ball, not a SC option.

I'm just going to keep NicNat in my team for the moment and watch how the pre season unfolds. Jacobs is probably my go to but I would need to find 60k for him. 100k if I get Ryder and cop the R10 doughnut.

The other option would be to start a rookie as R2 if one pops up with JS (e.g McInerney whois still a rookie  ;D ) and play an extra premo on one of the other lines. Pigs might fly but one can only hope.



Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on January 19, 2018, 11:00:55 AM
Damn doctors should keep there mouths shut they already sprouted off about his knee being a degenerative problem last year and people were still picking him now this has come out any chance of a advantage gone now  :'(
A lot of people will still pick him in my opinion. However, I won't be.

even with all this im mighty tempted to pick him up

Gawn is locked away at 503k pending any crazy thing happening.

Grundy at 534k  high 90s the last 2 years, a little worried about cox but i think low 100s playing 20+ games. He wont be a great pick but i doubt he will be a bad pick. Is he worth an extra 70k over NN, quite possibly as he seems a more solid option.96 average with 44/44 games played in the last 2 years is good for a ruck.

Goldy: Now this might be crazy and possibly very bias but surely goldy worth a look too. Im going to take away round 3 from his average as he would clearly not 100%.

So on that he played 18 games and put up a 97 average.

Preuss is obviously a big factor.

Goldy with Preuss: 105 96 88 32 92 = 83 average yes that is bad but thats largely due to the 32.
Goldy without Preuss: 87 77 111 107 135 89 103 128 91 100 129 62 122 = 103 average.

He is a risky option because of the preuss factor, but it is no secret that he was dealing with off field issues, had a limited preseason, got injured round 1. Even with all these issues he played 19 games and was within 8 points of the 2nd best ruck in the comp and within 3 points of the 3rd best ruck.

This also may conflict but if Goldy does lose his spot then Preuss at 347k is worth a look.

It may sound stupid but im rolling with Goldy Gawn at the moment. With all of Goldy's ups and downs in the last 5 years he is averaging 110 with 125/132 games played. even the last 2 years is 102 average with 40/44 games played. If he just replicates that i feel you will be happy in the rucks.



Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on January 19, 2018, 11:14:24 AM
Damn doctors should keep there mouths shut they already sprouted off about his knee being a degenerative problem last year and people were still picking him now this has come out any chance of a advantage gone now  :'(
A lot of people will still pick him in my opinion. However, I won't be.

even with all this im mighty tempted to pick him up

Gawn is locked away at 503k pending any crazy thing happening.

Grundy at 534k  high 90s the last 2 years, a little worried about cox but i think low 100s playing 20+ games. He wont be a great pick but i doubt he will be a bad pick. Is he worth an extra 70k over NN, quite possibly as he seems a more solid option.96 average with 44/44 games played in the last 2 years is good for a ruck.

Goldy: Now this might be crazy and possibly very bias but surely goldy worth a look too. Im going to take away round 3 from his average as he would clearly not 100%.

So on that he played 18 games and put up a 97 average.

Preuss is obviously a big factor.

Goldy with Preuss: 105 96 88 32 92 = 83 average yes that is bad but thats largely due to the 32.
Goldy without Preuss: 87 77 111 107 135 89 103 128 91 100 129 62 122 = 103 average.

He is a risky option because of the preuss factor, but it is no secret that he was dealing with off field issues, had a limited preseason, got injured round 1. Even with all these issues he played 19 games and was within 8 points of the 2nd best ruck in the comp and within 3 points of the 3rd best ruck.

This also may conflict but if Goldy does lose his spot then Preuss at 347k is worth a look.

It may sound stupid but im rolling with Goldy Gawn at the moment. With all of Goldy's ups and downs in the last 5 years he is averaging 110 with 125/132 games played. even the last 2 years is 102 average with 40/44 games played. If he just replicates that i feel you will be happy in the rucks.
That's biased crazy talk Holz. Agree it's risky. Agree about Gawn too.
Will be interesting to see what you do.

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on January 19, 2018, 12:26:47 PM
It may sound stupid but im rolling with Goldy Gawn at the moment. With all of Goldy's ups and downs in the last 5 years he is averaging 110 with 125/132 games played. even the last 2 years is 102 average with 40/44 games played. If he just replicates that i feel you will be happy in the rucks.
That's biased crazy talk Holz. Agree it's risky. Agree about Gawn too.
Will be interesting to see what you do.
You are very possibly right but to me there are no standout options. Im not paying up for Kreuz on one good year and then pretty much everyone else went around 95-100 last year. The preuss factor is real but even with Goldy's worst year in 5 years he was still a good R2 option.

Here is a question though, If Goldy is named round 1 with no preuss will anyone jump on board?

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Huttabito on January 19, 2018, 12:31:33 PM
Think I'm just going to lock in Jacobs/Gawn for now. If NicNat does fire up and smashes the end of pre-season, I'll probably free up some cash. Kruezer could still be an option for Jacobs, expensive, but helps the bye structure, will put up the points you pay for and if he does go down early can trade to anyone. Too hard to fit Ryder in with his bye and no real cover option.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on January 19, 2018, 01:03:49 PM
It may sound stupid but im rolling with Goldy Gawn at the moment. With all of Goldy's ups and downs in the last 5 years he is averaging 110 with 125/132 games played. even the last 2 years is 102 average with 40/44 games played. If he just replicates that i feel you will be happy in the rucks.
That's biased crazy talk Holz. Agree it's risky. Agree about Gawn too.
Will be interesting to see what you do.
You are very possibly right but to me there are no standout options. Im not paying up for Kreuz on one good year and then pretty much everyone else went around 95-100 last year. The preuss factor is real but even with Goldy's worst year in 5 years he was still a good R2 option.

Here is a question though, If Goldy is named round 1 with no preuss will anyone jump on board?
Don’t think I would because Preuss would still be a risk unless he had a LTI.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on January 19, 2018, 02:23:53 PM
Considering the rucks this year are a complete guess I am thinking Gawn/Smith. Has the best midfield in the comp under him so hit outs to advantage are going his way. Slightly cheaper than Sauce and Big Boy and has a good bye.

In saying that I will probably end up with Sauce.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on January 19, 2018, 04:37:08 PM
can someone find me the hit outs to advantage stat from 2017?

Had a bit of a look around and I can't find it but im sure one of you experts can.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on January 19, 2018, 04:39:45 PM
can someone find me the hit outs to advantage stat from 2017?

Had a bit of a look around and I can't find it but im sure one of you experts can.

Don't think it's a stat that's released to the general public
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on January 19, 2018, 04:42:30 PM
NicNat is a holder to see how the team looks.  Have a couple of others with Jacobs in at R1.    Also looking closely at Goldstein.   Big risk with Pruess factor though Goldy still capable of 115+ season. 
i just want to 2 x 22 games from my starting rucks and no stress.  Not a lot to ask?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on January 19, 2018, 04:46:28 PM
Think people are getting a bit spooked. Last footage I saw of nicnat he was running without his knee even strapped.
He was close to playing in the finals last year so he should be more than ready another 6 months on.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Grufflez on January 20, 2018, 07:57:52 PM
Think people are getting a bit spooked. Last footage I saw of nicnat he was running without his knee even strapped.
He was close to playing in the finals last year so he should be more than ready another 6 months on.

I think people are concerned with the caution WC are showing this early on.
Might indicate caution throughout the year meaning multiple rests or further decreased tog, WC will be cellar dwellers, they won't push Nic.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on January 23, 2018, 10:03:51 AM
Think people are getting a bit spooked. Last footage I saw of nicnat he was running without his knee even strapped.
He was close to playing in the finals last year so he should be more than ready another 6 months on.

I think people are concerned with the caution WC are showing this early on.
Might indicate caution throughout the year meaning multiple rests or further decreased tog, WC will be cellar dwellers, they won't push Nic.
True, but then again, if he plays Rd.1 he will be hard to not pick imo.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on January 26, 2018, 04:36:29 PM
Cegs is to Big Boy, what Preuss is to Goldy.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: sammy123 on January 26, 2018, 09:02:24 PM
Gawn at that price is a steal  and jacobs being the sole ruckman and crows mids being dominant last yr. Can see him having another huge yr
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Grufflez on January 27, 2018, 05:46:04 AM
So far i haven't seen a single team of any forum willing to Back Kreuzer in.
Can't say that i blame them but should he happen to continue his form and stay uninjured
he would be a massive POD while having a good bye round. Just saying  :P
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on January 27, 2018, 07:31:11 AM
So far i haven't seen a single team of any forum willing to Back Kreuzer in.
Can't say that i blame them but should he happen to continue his form and stay uninjured
he would be a massive POD while having a good bye round. Just saying  :P
Probably just his price putting people off read yesterday he is having a very good preseason you will probably see him appear in more teams when rookies and cheapies become clearer and if people can afford him
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Grufflez on January 27, 2018, 07:43:49 AM
So far i haven't seen a single team of any forum willing to Back Kreuzer in.
Can't say that i blame them but should he happen to continue his form and stay uninjured
he would be a massive POD while having a good bye round. Just saying  :P
Probably just his price putting people off read yesterday he is having a very good preseason you will probably see him appear in more teams when rookies and cheapies become clearer and if people can afford him

Quite possibly.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: js19 on January 27, 2018, 08:22:15 AM
So far i haven't seen a single team of any forum willing to Back Kreuzer in.
Can't say that i blame them but should he happen to continue his form and stay uninjured
he would be a massive POD while having a good bye round. Just saying  :P
Probably just his price putting people off read yesterday he is having a very good preseason you will probably see him appear in more teams when rookies and cheapies become clearer and if people can afford him
This for me. I've got Kelly and NN currently, but Conigs and Kreuz is an option
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Peter on January 27, 2018, 04:14:13 PM
I have Kruezer in RDT and AF as I believe better scorer and better bye for team balance. Have Jacobs in SC for the same reason over NN, for his good value and history. Will take a massive reason to switch to NN, unless money is needed
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on January 27, 2018, 04:34:57 PM
Wouldn't even consider Kreuzer at that price. People concerned about nicnat missing games, surely you wouldn't go near Kreuzer whos missed loads more footy over the years
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on January 27, 2018, 04:53:01 PM
You are right Q he has missed many games over the years , he has played two 21 game seasons on the trot but out of the blue he scored very well last year maybe a late bloomer ?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on January 27, 2018, 04:57:54 PM
You are right Q he has missed many games over the years , he has played two 21 game seasons on the trot but out of the blue he scored very well last year maybe a late bloomer ?

Yeah certainly promising that he's played 21 games 2 years running but I couldn't justify the price tag. Would be a huge pod if he backs it up though and plays all year
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on January 27, 2018, 04:59:59 PM
Andrew Phillips had a stress reaction in his foot in the lead-up to Rd 1 last year which put him behind the eight ball for senior selection, but he played 16 games alongside Kreuz in 2016 which is why Matty scored like shower that year.

Phillips is fully fit now but you'd think that Bolton has probably worked out that Kreuz is a lot more effective when he's allowed to be the workhorse, but it's something to be wary of.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on January 27, 2018, 05:05:49 PM
Andrew Phillips had a stress reaction in his foot in the lead-up to Rd 1 last year which put him behind the eight ball for senior selection, but he played 16 games alongside Kreuz in 2016 which is why Matty scored like shower that year.

Phillips is fully fit now but you'd think that Bolton has probably worked out that Kreuz is a lot more effective when he's allowed to be the workhorse, but it's something to be wary of.
Handy info mate did not know that watch and wait maybe , the rucks are looking like a very important part of this years competition more so than usual with little D/P 's and backups
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on January 27, 2018, 05:18:58 PM
Does anyone think Pedo could impact Gawns scoring?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on January 27, 2018, 05:27:05 PM
Does anyone think Pedo could impact Gawns scoring?
He did not really get a look in 2016 when Gawn was firing and last year when Gawn was injured then come back he was still really used more fwd , think you just have ignore Gawn's last year and hope it goes back to 2016
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on January 27, 2018, 05:33:41 PM
Andrew Phillips had a stress reaction in his foot in the lead-up to Rd 1 last year which put him behind the eight ball for senior selection, but he played 16 games alongside Kreuz in 2016 which is why Matty scored like shower that year.

Phillips is fully fit now but you'd think that Bolton has probably worked out that Kreuz is a lot more effective when he's allowed to be the workhorse, but it's something to be wary of.
Handy info mate did not know that watch and wait maybe , the rucks are looking like a very important part of this years competition more so than usual with little D/P 's and backups

Or perhaps after playing 16, 1 and 13 games in the previous three seasons, his body couldn't handle a full season as the sole ruck which is why he played in tandem with Phillips, and those 21 games set him up for a career best season in 2017.

This is why I wouldn't be surprised if a bloke like Billy Longer was a top 4 ruck at seasons end. Former pick #8 so clearly has the talent, his last two pre-seasons have been destroyed by injury (had a shoulder reco in 2016 and then battled concussion) but he managed to string together 17 games in a row this year and showed what he could do.

Zac Smith is another one. 16, 8, 10 and 11 games before playing 21 in 2016. That set him up for a breakout 2017. One season of continuity cannot be underestimated for injury prone players.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on January 27, 2018, 05:42:50 PM
Andrew Phillips had a stress reaction in his foot in the lead-up to Rd 1 last year which put him behind the eight ball for senior selection, but he played 16 games alongside Kreuz in 2016 which is why Matty scored like shower that year.

Phillips is fully fit now but you'd think that Bolton has probably worked out that Kreuz is a lot more effective when he's allowed to be the workhorse, but it's something to be wary of.
Handy info mate did not know that watch and wait maybe , the rucks are looking like a very important part of this years competition more so than usual with little D/P 's and backups

Or perhaps after playing 16, 1 and 13 games in the previous three seasons, his body couldn't handle a full season as the sole ruck which is why he played in tandem with Phillips, and those 21 games set him up for a career best season in 2017.

This is why I wouldn't be surprised if a bloke like Billy Longer was a top 4 ruck at seasons end. Former pick #8 so clearly has the talent, his last two pre-seasons have been destroyed by injury (had a shoulder reco in 2016 and then battled concussion) but he managed to string together 17 games in a row this year and showed what he could do.

Zac Smith is another one. 16, 8, 10 and 11 games before playing 21 in 2016. That set him up for a breakout 2017. One season of continuity cannot be underestimated for injury prone players.
Zac Smith is another but Longer as well now you are freaking me out the rucks are hard enough as is ..... hit default button  :)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on January 27, 2018, 05:58:29 PM
Just looking at Longers scores from last year and he has a 48 hit out game that he scored 25 in  :o how is that even possible
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on January 27, 2018, 06:00:30 PM
48 to the opposition?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Fid on January 27, 2018, 06:38:28 PM
Zac Smith not listed as an option?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on January 27, 2018, 06:47:03 PM
48 to the opposition?

Must have just about been! That's impressive haha
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Grufflez on January 28, 2018, 05:13:04 AM
Zac Smith not listed as an option?

I am not going to lie, it has crossed my mind after seeing his interview where he said
the couches have him working on his marking and around the ground stuff.

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on January 28, 2018, 09:51:33 AM
Zac Smith not listed as an option?
Should be, easily as good a chance as NicNat
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: GoLions on January 28, 2018, 11:22:57 AM
We Can then trade to Ryder who has went down a little bit in value while maintaing his 105 average for cover over the byes.

Wouldn't mind swapping NN too Paddy after he was went down a bit. He should be the dominate ruckman after there bye.
Hahahahahaha
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: GoLions on January 28, 2018, 11:23:39 AM
Very tempted to go NN to Sauce, don't want to have to waste trades on injured rucks again this year...
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 30, 2018, 06:25:57 PM
Well we're heading into Feb and recent reports suggest NN isn't training with the main group and doesn't look 100%

Like most, I've had Gawn and NN locked but I need to remind myself of my number 1 rule which is, regardless of price, potential etc don't start players who have had an interrupted preseason, so for that reason to my own surprise I think I might need to move on from NN  :'(

Ryder seems like the best replacement

EDIT: On second thoughts his bye isn't ideal, and he's probably priced at max value too

Hmmm, R2 is going to be hard to pick. Sauce is durable, but the idea of picking him just bores me lol
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on January 30, 2018, 06:52:36 PM
Well we're heading into Feb and recent reports suggest NN isn't training with the main group and doesn't look 100%

Like most, I've had Gawn and NN locked but I need to remind myself of my number 1 rule which is, regardless of price, potential etc don't start players who have had an interrupted preseason, so for that reason to my own surprise I think I might need to move on from NN  :'(

Ryder seems like the best replacement

EDIT: On second thoughts his bye isn't ideal, and he's probably priced at max value too

Hmmm, R2 is going to be hard to pick. Sauce is durable, but the idea of picking him just bores me lol

Also remember Ryder is pretty much a guaranteed donut unless some magic ruck cover appears
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on January 30, 2018, 07:01:51 PM
Not a lot of love for Stefan. Apart from the fact that Archie kills him late in the season he has been the best performed ruck besides Goldy over the past four seasons.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Southstorm on January 30, 2018, 07:14:26 PM
Well we're heading into Feb and recent reports suggest NN isn't training with the main group and doesn't look 100%

Like most, I've had Gawn and NN locked but I need to remind myself of my number 1 rule which is, regardless of price, potential etc don't start players who have had an interrupted preseason, so for that reason to my own surprise I think I might need to move on from NN  :'(

Ryder seems like the best replacement

EDIT: On second thoughts his bye isn't ideal, and he's probably priced at max value too

Hmmm, R2 is going to be hard to pick. Sauce is durable, but the idea of picking him just bores me lol
Most here will be in the same boat; looks like the Gawn/NN combo was too good to be true.

I'm weighing up whether I have the stones to take the 0 in Round 10 with Ryder, shell out big for Kreuze, or risk fielding a ruck that's 5-10ppg lower for the whole season. Jacobs/Goldy/Martin will probably be around the 95 mark again.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on January 30, 2018, 07:20:54 PM
poor old Sandilands, on the scrap heap. a staple for the last decade, or more.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on January 30, 2018, 07:36:29 PM
Well we're heading into Feb and recent reports suggest NN isn't training with the main group and doesn't look 100%

Like most, I've had Gawn and NN locked but I need to remind myself of my number 1 rule which is, regardless of price, potential etc don't start players who have had an interrupted preseason, so for that reason to my own surprise I think I might need to move on from NN  :'(

Ryder seems like the best replacement

EDIT: On second thoughts his bye isn't ideal, and he's probably priced at max value too

Hmmm, R2 is going to be hard to pick. Sauce is durable, but the idea of picking him just bores me lol
Most here will be in the same boat; looks like the Gawn/NN combo was too good to be true.

I'm weighing up whether I have the stones to take the 0 in Round 10 with Ryder, shell out big for Kreuze, or risk fielding a ruck that's 5-10ppg lower for the whole season. Jacobs/Goldy/Martin will probably be around the 95 mark again.
I'm pretty sure I'm going to go Ryder it is nearly 1/2 way into season before his bye I thinking or hoping the extra points he is capable of getting offset it a bit plus he is then available for all the other byes and who knows what turns up before or during the season ruck wise , it's either him or the Kruz to go with Gawn
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on January 30, 2018, 08:33:14 PM
Well we're heading into Feb and recent reports suggest NN isn't training with the main group and doesn't look 100%

Like most, I've had Gawn and NN locked but I need to remind myself of my number 1 rule which is, regardless of price, potential etc don't start players who have had an interrupted preseason, so for that reason to my own surprise I think I might need to move on from NN  :'(

Ryder seems like the best replacement

EDIT: On second thoughts his bye isn't ideal, and he's probably priced at max value too

Hmmm, R2 is going to be hard to pick. Sauce is durable, but the idea of picking him just bores me lol
Most here will be in the same boat; looks like the Gawn/NN combo was too good to be true.

I'm weighing up whether I have the stones to take the 0 in Round 10 with Ryder, shell out big for Kreuze, or risk fielding a ruck that's 5-10ppg lower for the whole season. Jacobs/Goldy/Martin will probably be around the 95 mark again.
I'm pretty sure I'm going to go Ryder it is nearly 1/2 way into season before his bye I thinking or hoping the extra points he is capable of getting offset it a bit plus he is then available for all the other byes and who knows what turns up before or during the season ruck wise , it's either him or the Kruz to go with Gawn
jacobs and goldy are both viable options.    I think goldy is still capable of pumping out consistent 100+ scores.   ? is the Preuss juice.   If I cannot find a likely r3 starter then jacobs,  mind you I am considering Goldy as a POD option.    I do remember cringing and crying last year as Preuss screwed us over.   Just a glutton for punishment.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on January 30, 2018, 10:09:14 PM
Not a lot of love for Stefan. Apart from the fact that Archie kills him late in the season he has been the best performed ruck besides Goldy over the past four seasons.
Can understand - Archie has said he wants to be in side as No 1 ruck this season as his goal and we will probably want to get some games into McInerney as well given Stefs age.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on January 30, 2018, 10:11:17 PM
Well we're heading into Feb and recent reports suggest NN isn't training with the main group and doesn't look 100%

Like most, I've had Gawn and NN locked but I need to remind myself of my number 1 rule which is, regardless of price, potential etc don't start players who have had an interrupted preseason, so for that reason to my own surprise I think I might need to move on from NN  :'(

Ryder seems like the best replacement

EDIT: On second thoughts his bye isn't ideal, and he's probably priced at max value too

Hmmm, R2 is going to be hard to pick. Sauce is durable, but the idea of picking him just bores me lol
Most here will be in the same boat; looks like the Gawn/NN combo was too good to be true.

I'm weighing up whether I have the stones to take the 0 in Round 10 with Ryder, shell out big for Kreuze, or risk fielding a ruck that's 5-10ppg lower for the whole season. Jacobs/Goldy/Martin will probably be around the 95 mark again.
I'm pretty sure I'm going to go Ryder it is nearly 1/2 way into season before his bye I thinking or hoping the extra points he is capable of getting offset it a bit plus he is then available for all the other byes and who knows what turns up before or during the season ruck wise , it's either him or the Kruz to go with Gawn
jacobs and goldy are both viable options.    I think goldy is still capable of pumping out consistent 100+ scores.   ? is the Preuss juice.   If I cannot find a likely r3 starter then jacobs,  mind you I am considering Goldy as a POD option.    I do remember cringing and crying last year as Preuss screwed us over.   Just a glutton for punishment.

And for all that angst, he still went 95. has a better history than Gawn.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on January 31, 2018, 11:50:23 AM
Love to pick TBC but he and Berger played half a season each last year. One poor game or a hint of "general soreness" and he gets a rest again. Same problem with Berger.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on January 31, 2018, 12:03:52 PM
really dont like any other rucks besides Gawn.

i really think if anyone under 200k gets named i might consider them at R2.

Coleman Jones
Balta
Hayes
Crossley
Cameron
McInnerny
English

one of them might be an outside shot at getting some games.

At this stage reluctantly have Goldy
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Grufflez on January 31, 2018, 01:12:17 PM
poor old Sandilands, on the scrap heap. a staple for the last decade, or more.

I don't like to wish injuries on anyone but...if he should be struck down by turf toe,
Welcome to R2 Mr Darcy.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Grufflez on January 31, 2018, 01:16:13 PM
I am so unsure of Rucks i have considered Z.Smith or Buzza at R2
The latter would be a hail Mary move.

I don't even trust Gawn!
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2018, 02:47:54 PM
Considering this is the first year we haven't had ANY decent F/R options to put in the forward line for cover, there's every chance we're all going to have to burn a trade or two on rucks at some point, so if a cheapo does come up like Holz I might be tempted to just start them, knowing that I will be using a couple of trades on rucks this year as opposed to previous years, and then just bolstering other lines
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on January 31, 2018, 03:13:08 PM
Considering this is the first year we haven't had ANY decent F/R options to put in the forward line for cover, there's every chance we're all going to have to burn a trade or two on rucks at some point, so if a cheapo does come up like Holz I might be tempted to just start them, knowing that I will be using a couple of trades on rucks this year as opposed to previous years, and then just bolstering other lines
That's what I'm thinking if I start Ryder just trade in a ruck that is going to make some cash for a couple of weeks when his bye comes up will take a bit extra planning but no biggie  ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on January 31, 2018, 04:24:43 PM
I had also thought of using Pedersen at R/f with a rookie R/F at R3 in case Gawn went down but at $471k a little much for such a vast variation in scoring.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Spite on January 31, 2018, 04:27:53 PM
Considering this is the first year we haven't had ANY decent F/R options to put in the forward line for cover, there's every chance we're all going to have to burn a trade or two on rucks at some point, so if a cheapo does come up like Holz I might be tempted to just start them, knowing that I will be using a couple of trades on rucks this year as opposed to previous years, and then just bolstering other lines

Ugh so like start with Hampson and upgrade to Ryder after his bye/  :-\
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on January 31, 2018, 04:28:13 PM
I had also thought of using Pedersen at R/f with a rookie R/F at R3 in case Gawn went down but at $471k a little much for such a vast variation in scoring.

Yeah I think I'll keep a DPP rookie at R3 just in case someone like Pedo/Cox/Stanley pull a 90+ average out of their arse
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on January 31, 2018, 04:33:07 PM
Pedersen can score well but what about his JS? No guarantee to stay with McDonald,Gawn and Hogan all fit. Another option is Lycett. Much cheaper is a better forward than Vardy,JJK underdone. But again JS issues,although I've read hes training well and looking great. I'll try to find  where I read that...
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on January 31, 2018, 04:49:07 PM
Lycett a Ruck only but could be a handy R3 at $277k if going with Nat.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on January 31, 2018, 04:59:27 PM
Pedersen can score well but what about his JS? No guarantee to stay with McDonald,Gawn and Hogan all fit. Another option is Lycett. Much cheaper is a better forward than Vardy,JJK underdone. But again JS issues,although I've read hes training well and looking great. I'll try to find  where I read that...

Lycett and Vardy will be tough to split

Lycett showed he could regularly ton up with NN in the team, it was just the consistency that was the problem, somehow scored 2 from a full game haha
He still managed to average 83 from 20 games
For the record he missed once from a normal suspension and once for a club suspension for being a dick.

Vardy did everything Simmo asked of him last year so he has plenty of credits in the bank

Both have their own positives, Lycett a workhorse, allows NN to really be a burst player, Vardy very athletic, could pair well with NN

A concern is if they get to the point were its hard to spilt it could be a week to week prospect. Lycett plays against the beasts, Vardy when its the smaller or mobile rucks.

But despite these concerns if Lycett gets to round one and looks the clear winner he might be worth a sneaky look at R2 at only 277k, would allow you a few rounds to gauge the rucks and could easily make you a nice 130-150k

Just wish they were DPP :(
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2018, 05:33:22 PM
While undoubtedly said tongue in cheek, Gawn has no doubt he’s ready to return to his 2016 SuperCoach form.

Asked if he was worth picking in 2018, the Demons big man was unequivocal.

“I think it’s a no brainer,” he joked on RSN.

 ;D
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on January 31, 2018, 09:22:37 PM
Lycett a Ruck only but could be a handy R3 at $277k if going with Nat.
I'm thinking R2 if anything. NN + Lycett is about 750k. 200 k more than Sauce/Ryder. Need that cash elsewhere imo.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: js19 on January 31, 2018, 11:09:46 PM
Lycett a Ruck only but could be a handy R3 at $277k if going with Nat.
I'm thinking R2 if anything. NN + Lycett is about 750k. 200 k more than Sauce/Ryder. Need that cash elsewhere imo.

You still need to add an R3 to that scenario though, so the actual cost difference isn't THAT big, with an extra 102K...
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 02, 2018, 03:22:13 PM
I've been looking closer at the ruck situation, and besides Gawn I just don't know which other ruck to pick. My gut feel doesn't like starting any of them

So, I've decided to play around with the idea of starting a cheap ruck at R2. Someone who might only score 60-80 most weeks

The benefit of this is two fold - it gives me time to see who is looking like the best ruck for the year, and it also allows me have a really strong def, mid and forward line

At the moment I'm looking at Lycett due to his discounted price, but ultimately I won't care too much. As long as they are under 400k (the cheaper the better) and have solid JS I actually think this could work this year
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on February 02, 2018, 03:25:32 PM
I've been looking closer at the ruck situation, and besides Gawn I just don't know which other ruck to pick. My gut feel doesn't like starting any of them

So, I've decided to play around with the idea of starting a cheap ruck at R2. Someone who might only score 60-80 most weeks

The benefit of this is two fold - it gives me time to see who is looking like the best ruck for the year, and it also allows me have a really strong def, mid and forward line

At the moment I'm looking at Lycett due to his discounted price, but ultimately I won't care too much. As long as they are under 400k (the cheaper the better) and have solid JS I actually think this could work this year
Something I have looked at doing as well. However, I can't find any at all with decent job security.

Hampson, Lycett, Cox and Boyd are the ones that look like having a decent chance of playing 20+ games this season.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on February 02, 2018, 03:45:54 PM
I've got Lycett as R2 atm. If he can play 9 or so games and make cash could become Ryder come round 11. If Cameron/Pittonet get a run there's back up as well.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on February 02, 2018, 04:06:41 PM
Lycett and Dahlhous looks just as good as Smith and Christensen in my eyes.

Gives me something to think about definitely.

However would need to have really good job security for me to even consider this approach.

Vardy, Lycett and Nic Nat cant all play so I wonder who will go.

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 03, 2018, 12:42:51 AM
Just need the cheap ruck to play the first 6-8 games of the season, and by then we should know who the top rucks are and make the upgrade

Lycett/Vardy, Naismith, any of the Dogs Rough/Campbell/Boyd etc
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: iZander on February 03, 2018, 12:55:35 AM
Just need the cheap ruck to play the first 6-8 games of the season, and by then we should know who the top rucks are and make the upgrade

Lycett/Vardy, Naismith, any of the Dogs Rough/Campbell/Boyd etc
Personaly id go roughy, but all really good options imo
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Southstorm on February 03, 2018, 01:08:14 AM
There's no clear #2 out of Vardy and Slyce so I'm worried that Simmo will swap them around game after game for the start of the season if NN debuts early and commands the number 1 spot. Slyce is the better ruck but Vardy is the better forward. Wouldn't have the balls to pick either of them unless NN was confirmed to be out until mid year.

The best value ruck this year isn't actually a ruck! Go figure.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: js19 on February 03, 2018, 01:27:23 AM
Any Swans folk know how Darcy Cameron is looking for an early debut? Could be very helpful...
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on February 03, 2018, 03:06:42 AM
Jon Ceglar has to be your man if going down the mid-priced route.

2014: 76.6
2015: 71.8
2016: 69.2 (70.8 uninjured)
2017: ACL

Priced at 48.5. Big Boy had his best season in Hawks colours playing as the sole ruck so he's no guarantee for Rd 1, but Clarko does like a second ruck playing the 'Hale' role, which Cegs had been playing to perfection before the injury (and what Vickery was meant to do last year in his absence).

Personally, I think he's probably fighting for a spot with O'Brien, with the latter likely winning out for the extra mobility. But if he's named for Rd 1 then he might be worth the punt. Chuck Pittonet on the bench as insurance.

Otherwise why not just pick Vardy and Lycett? It would cost roughly the same as Sauce and a 117k ruck so you won't be saving any cash but it does allows you to have a look at the top performing rucks. One is guaranteed to play every week.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 03, 2018, 09:06:30 AM
Ceglar is definitely on the radar

Anyone priced under 400k is really

No point getting both Lycett/Vardy. The point of this strategy is that is frees up the money to get all other lines really solid. That's the focus here, not having ruck cover

This is the first year we don't have any decent rucks that can play in the forwards to provide cover, so for that reason we are all going to need to burn a couple of trades in the rucks this year unless you're blessed to start 2 rucks who don't miss a game all year so for that reason that's why I am looking to adopt this strategy. We're going to use a trade or too anyway, so might as well start a cheap ruck because the odds of set and forget working this year are extremely low
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 03, 2018, 12:24:35 PM
Ceglar is definitely on the radar

Anyone priced under 400k is really

No point getting both Lycett/Vardy. The point of this strategy is that is frees up the money to get all other lines really solid. That's the focus here, not having ruck cover

This is the first year we don't have any decent rucks that can play in the forwards to provide cover, so for that reason we are all going to need to burn a couple of trades in the rucks this year unless you're blessed to start 2 rucks who don't miss a game all year so for that reason that's why I am looking to adopt this strategy. We're going to use a trade or too anyway, so might as well start a cheap ruck because the odds of set and forget working this year are extremely low
I reckon this is the year for set and forget are you really thinking about starting Lycett Vardy or Ceglar for R2 ? seems to me if Nic Nat plays but is looking like being rested then surely Lycett or Vardy won't play when he does so you are in the same boat may as well start Nic Nat same with Ceglar if the coach decides to go with one ruck every now and then all for 150 - 200K into another line , what you gain in points in one line you lose for having a lesser ruck who might not play all the time ?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Southstorm on February 03, 2018, 12:43:46 PM
There's a ruckman who's a smokey to start R1, very questionable JS, but he's priced at low 50's and should be good for 80's. Has tonned up before when rucking solo, if they confine Lobb to more of a forward role.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on February 03, 2018, 12:46:37 PM
Naismith, Sinkers and Cammo is on the cards. Two of them three will have to play every week surely.

And as soon as I write this, I remember Allir  Allir, Lol
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: tmac16 on February 03, 2018, 01:07:21 PM
There's a ruckman who's a smokey to start R1, very questionable JS, but he's priced at low 50's and should be good for 80's. Has tonned up before when rucking solo, if they confine Lobb to more of a forward role.

why would you suggest low JS, he's played 40 games ..... over 10 years
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 03, 2018, 02:35:12 PM
I reckon this is the year for set and forget are you really thinking about starting Lycett Vardy or Ceglar for R2 ? seems to me if Nic Nat plays but is looking like being rested then surely Lycett or Vardy won't play when he does so you are in the same boat may as well start Nic Nat same with Ceglar if the coach decides to go with one ruck every now and then all for 150 - 200K into another line , what you gain in points in one line you lose for having a lesser ruck who might not play all the time ?

Ceglar was best 22 and if he returns Rd1 then I would expect that to still be the case

Roughead is also an option who is best 22

Lycett/Vardy is risky yes, but again it's no so much making a call on the exact player right now because there's still so long to go before we see who is playing etc, but the discussion is more so about the theory of adopting this strategy and I think I will be doing it this year, hopefully as a POD
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gandalf123 on February 03, 2018, 03:26:09 PM
Naismith, Sinkers and Cammo is on the cards. Two of them three will have to play every week surely.

And as soon as I write this, I remember Allir  Allir, Lol
Don't think we will roll with 2 of those 3, think it will be naismith with Reid pinch hitting, too big of a side and slow if we roll with 2 rucks
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on February 03, 2018, 05:26:19 PM
Naismith, Sinkers and Cammo is on the cards. Two of them three will have to play every week surely.

And as soon as I write this, I remember Allir  Allir, Lol
Don't think we will roll with 2 of those 3, think it will be naismith with Reid pinch hitting, too big of a side and slow if we roll with 2 rucks

Interesting, Gee Reid would need to lift, just going on last years numbers. 22 games 36 hitouts in total.  :o
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 03, 2018, 06:06:03 PM
I reckon this is the year for set and forget are you really thinking about starting Lycett Vardy or Ceglar for R2 ? seems to me if Nic Nat plays but is looking like being rested then surely Lycett or Vardy won't play when he does so you are in the same boat may as well start Nic Nat same with Ceglar if the coach decides to go with one ruck every now and then all for 150 - 200K into another line , what you gain in points in one line you lose for having a lesser ruck who might not play all the time ?

Ceglar was best 22 and if he returns Rd1 then I would expect that to still be the case

Roughead is also an option who is best 22

Lycett/Vardy is risky yes, but again it's no so much making a call on the exact player right now because there's still so long to go before we see who is playing etc, but the discussion is more so about the theory of adopting this strategy and I think I will be doing it this year, hopefully as a POD
Ceglar avg. 69.2 his last year you really want a R2 that avg's 70 ?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on February 03, 2018, 06:11:05 PM
I reckon this is the year for set and forget are you really thinking about starting Lycett Vardy or Ceglar for R2 ? seems to me if Nic Nat plays but is looking like being rested then surely Lycett or Vardy won't play when he does so you are in the same boat may as well start Nic Nat same with Ceglar if the coach decides to go with one ruck every now and then all for 150 - 200K into another line , what you gain in points in one line you lose for having a lesser ruck who might not play all the time ?

Ceglar was best 22 and if he returns Rd1 then I would expect that to still be the case

Roughead is also an option who is best 22

Lycett/Vardy is risky yes, but again it's no so much making a call on the exact player right now because there's still so long to go before we see who is playing etc, but the discussion is more so about the theory of adopting this strategy and I think I will be doing it this year, hopefully as a POD
Ceglar avg. 69.2 last year you really want a R2 that avg's 70 ?

Does it matter?

If your R2 is cheap and avg's 70 that means your D4/M6/F4 averages higher
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Levi434 on February 03, 2018, 06:55:26 PM
WXVW Vacant Coaching Position!

This teams has two of the top rucks in the WXVW comp!

We only need one more coach! The sooner someone signs up the better the comp will be! The season is very short and will be done by the time AFL kicks off so it's fun!

The team list is as follows:
1. Emma King (R)
2. Sabrina Frederick-Traub (F/R)
3. Ebony Marinoff (M)
4. Bianca Jakobsson (F)
5. Nicole Hildebrand (B)
6. Caitlyn Edwards (B)
7. Tiah Haynes (M)
8. Bree White (M/F)
9. Hannah Scott (M)
10. Melissa Caulfield (F/M)
11. Jasmine Garner (F)
12. Penny Cula-Reid (B)
13. Britt Tully (M)
14. Sarah Last (B)
15. Demi Okley (M/F)
16. Katherine Smith (M)
17. Tayla Bresland (B)
18. Jess Gardner (F/B)
19. Katie Loynes (M)
20. Selina Goodman (M)
21. Ruby Schleicher (R)
22. Melissa Kuys (M)
23. Nat Exon (M)
24. Kendra Heil (M/F)
25. Caitlin Collins (B)
26. Sophie Casey (F)
27. Rebecca Neaves (M)

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Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 03, 2018, 07:03:20 PM
Wrong board  ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: iZander on February 03, 2018, 07:16:24 PM
I reckon this is the year for set and forget are you really thinking about starting Lycett Vardy or Ceglar for R2 ? seems to me if Nic Nat plays but is looking like being rested then surely Lycett or Vardy won't play when he does so you are in the same boat may as well start Nic Nat same with Ceglar if the coach decides to go with one ruck every now and then all for 150 - 200K into another line , what you gain in points in one line you lose for having a lesser ruck who might not play all the time ?

Ceglar was best 22 and if he returns Rd1 then I would expect that to still be the case

Roughead is also an option who is best 22

Lycett/Vardy is risky yes, but again it's no so much making a call on the exact player right now because there's still so long to go before we see who is playing etc, but the discussion is more so about the theory of adopting this strategy and I think I will be doing it this year, hopefully as a POD
Ceglar avg. 69.2 last year you really want a R2 that avg's 70 ?

Does it matter?

If your R2 is cheap and avg's 70 that means your D4/M6/F4 averages higher
Yes.
There are heaps of players in the D/M/F who cheap and COULD premos, much better taking a risk on one of those than getting a guy you know wont go very big just to get "better" in those positions

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 03, 2018, 07:27:35 PM
I reckon this is the year for set and forget are you really thinking about starting Lycett Vardy or Ceglar for R2 ? seems to me if Nic Nat plays but is looking like being rested then surely Lycett or Vardy won't play when he does so you are in the same boat may as well start Nic Nat same with Ceglar if the coach decides to go with one ruck every now and then all for 150 - 200K into another line , what you gain in points in one line you lose for having a lesser ruck who might not play all the time ?

Ceglar was best 22 and if he returns Rd1 then I would expect that to still be the case

Roughead is also an option who is best 22

Lycett/Vardy is risky yes, but again it's no so much making a call on the exact player right now because there's still so long to go before we see who is playing etc, but the discussion is more so about the theory of adopting this strategy and I think I will be doing it this year, hopefully as a POD
Ceglar avg. 69.2 last year you really want a R2 that avg's 70 ?

Does it matter?

If your R2 is cheap and avg's 70 that means your D4/M6/F4 averages higher
Yes.
There are heaps of players in the D/M/F who cheap and COULD premos, much better taking a risk on one of those than getting a guy you know wont go very big just to get "better" in those positions


My thinking as well you only get 2 Rucks why would you choose a spud with one of your picks
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: js19 on February 03, 2018, 10:51:33 PM
I reckon this is the year for set and forget are you really thinking about starting Lycett Vardy or Ceglar for R2 ? seems to me if Nic Nat plays but is looking like being rested then surely Lycett or Vardy won't play when he does so you are in the same boat may as well start Nic Nat same with Ceglar if the coach decides to go with one ruck every now and then all for 150 - 200K into another line , what you gain in points in one line you lose for having a lesser ruck who might not play all the time ?

Ceglar was best 22 and if he returns Rd1 then I would expect that to still be the case

Roughead is also an option who is best 22

Lycett/Vardy is risky yes, but again it's no so much making a call on the exact player right now because there's still so long to go before we see who is playing etc, but the discussion is more so about the theory of adopting this strategy and I think I will be doing it this year, hopefully as a POD
Ceglar avg. 69.2 last year you really want a R2 that avg's 70 ?

Does it matter?

If your R2 is cheap and avg's 70 that means your D4/M6/F4 averages higher
Yes.
There are heaps of players in the D/M/F who cheap and COULD premos, much better taking a risk on one of those than getting a guy you know wont go very big just to get "better" in those positions


My thinking as well you only get 2 Rucks why would you choose a spud with one of your picks

+1

Sandy last year was a fallen prem, and that played out ok, but hoping a spud finally matures is much more risky imo
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 04, 2018, 01:49:05 AM
I'm actually considering Goldy. He had a terrible year and still averaged 94.8

I think this year will be a year that teams go with 1 ruck and as long as he stays ahead of Preuss he will average 100+
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: js19 on February 04, 2018, 02:09:00 AM
I'm actually considering Goldy. He had a terrible year and still averaged 94.8

I think this year will be a year that teams go with 1 ruck and as long as he stays ahead of Preuss he will average 100+

Has history on his side, but Preuss was impressive when he played, which spells potential trouble. If one ruck only could be guaranteed, then I'd jump on Goldy myself
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 04, 2018, 03:27:08 AM
I'm actually considering Goldy. He had a terrible year and still averaged 94.8

I think this year will be a year that teams go with 1 ruck and as long as he stays ahead of Preuss he will average 100+

Has history on his side, but Preuss was impressive when he played, which spells potential trouble. If one ruck only could be guaranteed, then I'd jump on Goldy myself

Yeah would have to be named alone for me to go with him. Crazy to think that they could go with Preuss over such a dominant ruckman
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: js19 on February 04, 2018, 04:17:19 AM
I'm actually considering Goldy. He had a terrible year and still averaged 94.8

I think this year will be a year that teams go with 1 ruck and as long as he stays ahead of Preuss he will average 100+

Has history on his side, but Preuss was impressive when he played, which spells potential trouble. If one ruck only could be guaranteed, then I'd jump on Goldy myself

Yeah would have to be named alone for me to go with him. Crazy to think that they could go with Preuss over such a dominant ruckman

Problem is Goldy is 29, and Preuss only 22. If Preuss doesn't get games, he'll want to leave, and he looks a pretty good replacement down the track, so I'd say NM would want him to stick around
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on February 04, 2018, 08:23:28 AM
I'm actually considering Goldy. He had a terrible year and still averaged 94.8

I think this year will be a year that teams go with 1 ruck and as long as he stays ahead of Preuss he will average 100+

Has history on his side, but Preuss was impressive when he played, which spells potential trouble. If one ruck only could be guaranteed, then I'd jump on Goldy myself

Yeah would have to be named alone for me to go with him. Crazy to think that they could go with Preuss over such a dominant ruckman

Problem is Goldy is 29, and Preuss only 22. If Preuss doesn't get games, he'll want to leave, and he looks a pretty good replacement down the track, so I'd say NM would want him to stick around
Similar situation to Brisbane Martin as sole rucks dominates but he is 31 and we need to get more games into Smith and McInerney.  If Martin was sole ruck would be all over him.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 04, 2018, 09:56:51 AM
I reckon this is the year for set and forget are you really thinking about starting Lycett Vardy or Ceglar for R2 ? seems to me if Nic Nat plays but is looking like being rested then surely Lycett or Vardy won't play when he does so you are in the same boat may as well start Nic Nat same with Ceglar if the coach decides to go with one ruck every now and then all for 150 - 200K into another line , what you gain in points in one line you lose for having a lesser ruck who might not play all the time ?

Ceglar was best 22 and if he returns Rd1 then I would expect that to still be the case

Roughead is also an option who is best 22

Lycett/Vardy is risky yes, but again it's no so much making a call on the exact player right now because there's still so long to go before we see who is playing etc, but the discussion is more so about the theory of adopting this strategy and I think I will be doing it this year, hopefully as a POD
Ceglar avg. 69.2 last year you really want a R2 that avg's 70 ?

Does it matter?

If your R2 is cheap and avg's 70 that means your D4/M6/F4 averages higher
Yes.
There are heaps of players in the D/M/F who cheap and COULD premos, much better taking a risk on one of those than getting a guy you know wont go very big just to get "better" in those positions


My thinking as well you only get 2 Rucks why would you choose a spud with one of your picks

+1

Sandy last year was a fallen prem, and that played out ok, but hoping a spud finally matures is much more risky imo

You're missing the point. I'm not looking to pick one of these average rucks hoping they will mature and turn into a keeper. I am picking them knowing that 6-8 rounds into the season I will upgrade them to the best looking ruck

I'm looking into doing this because I can't figure out which "prem" ruck I want to go with Gawn, so instead of spending 500k+ on Sauce/Goldy/Ryder etc I bank the 200k and start a poorer ruck that has no JS issues, take his lower scores but use that 200k to get another starter on another line

Now this is the important part: I am doing this because we have no DPP rucks for cover this year, so we're going to have to burn trades in the ruck regardless unless you're blessed enough to pick 2 rucks who both don't miss a single game all year. So because we're going to have to burn a trade or two in the rucks anyway, I'm adopting this strategy and choosing to start an extra prem in another line instead of the rucks
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: iZander on February 04, 2018, 10:07:25 AM
I reckon this is the year for set and forget are you really thinking about starting Lycett Vardy or Ceglar for R2 ? seems to me if Nic Nat plays but is looking like being rested then surely Lycett or Vardy won't play when he does so you are in the same boat may as well start Nic Nat same with Ceglar if the coach decides to go with one ruck every now and then all for 150 - 200K into another line , what you gain in points in one line you lose for having a lesser ruck who might not play all the time ?

Ceglar was best 22 and if he returns Rd1 then I would expect that to still be the case

Roughead is also an option who is best 22

Lycett/Vardy is risky yes, but again it's no so much making a call on the exact player right now because there's still so long to go before we see who is playing etc, but the discussion is more so about the theory of adopting this strategy and I think I will be doing it this year, hopefully as a POD
Ceglar avg. 69.2 last year you really want a R2 that avg's 70 ?

Does it matter?

If your R2 is cheap and avg's 70 that means your D4/M6/F4 averages higher
Yes.
There are heaps of players in the D/M/F who cheap and COULD premos, much better taking a risk on one of those than getting a guy you know wont go very big just to get "better" in those positions


My thinking as well you only get 2 Rucks why would you choose a spud with one of your picks

+1

Sandy last year was a fallen prem, and that played out ok, but hoping a spud finally matures is much more risky imo

You're missing the point. I'm not looking to pick one of these average rucks hoping they will mature and turn into a keeper. I am picking them knowing that 6-8 rounds into the season I will upgrade them to the best looking ruck

I'm looking into doing this because I can't figure out which "prem" ruck I want to go with Gawn, so instead of spending 500k+ on Sauce/Goldy/Ryder etc I bank the 200k and start a poorer ruck that has no JS issues, take his lower scores but use that 200k to get another starter on another line

Now this is the important part: I am doing this because we have no DPP rucks for cover this year, so we're going to have to burn trades in the ruck regardless unless you're blessed enough to pick 2 rucks who both don't miss a single game all year. So because we're going to have to burn a trade or two in the rucks anyway, I'm adopting this strategy and choosing to start an extra prem in another line instead of the rucks
Yeah i get the strategy, dont think its a good one though

Pick someone like Jacobs and take the chance of him being the 2nd best ruck (in this scenario you dont have to burn a trade) and if hes not you can trade him if you really want (still burning a trade like you would have). While you would have received premo scroing from jacobs in these weeks which you wouldnt get with someone like ceglar. You also get the benfit of being able to pick someone in the D/M/F that will make more cash and maybe score well as there are heaps of good cash making options in other positions. my opinion anyway. 
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on February 04, 2018, 10:22:42 AM
I reckon this is the year for set and forget are you really thinking about starting Lycett Vardy or Ceglar for R2 ? seems to me if Nic Nat plays but is looking like being rested then surely Lycett or Vardy won't play when he does so you are in the same boat may as well start Nic Nat same with Ceglar if the coach decides to go with one ruck every now and then all for 150 - 200K into another line , what you gain in points in one line you lose for having a lesser ruck who might not play all the time ?

Ceglar was best 22 and if he returns Rd1 then I would expect that to still be the case

Roughead is also an option who is best 22

Lycett/Vardy is risky yes, but again it's no so much making a call on the exact player right now because there's still so long to go before we see who is playing etc, but the discussion is more so about the theory of adopting this strategy and I think I will be doing it this year, hopefully as a POD
Ceglar avg. 69.2 last year you really want a R2 that avg's 70 ?

Does it matter?

If your R2 is cheap and avg's 70 that means your D4/M6/F4 averages higher
Yes.
There are heaps of players in the D/M/F who cheap and COULD premos, much better taking a risk on one of those than getting a guy you know wont go very big just to get "better" in those positions


My thinking as well you only get 2 Rucks why would you choose a spud with one of your picks

+1

Sandy last year was a fallen prem, and that played out ok, but hoping a spud finally matures is much more risky imo

You're missing the point. I'm not looking to pick one of these average rucks hoping they will mature and turn into a keeper. I am picking them knowing that 6-8 rounds into the season I will upgrade them to the best looking ruck

I'm looking into doing this because I can't figure out which "prem" ruck I want to go with Gawn, so instead of spending 500k+ on Sauce/Goldy/Ryder etc I bank the 200k and start a poorer ruck that has no JS issues, take his lower scores but use that 200k to get another starter on another line

Now this is the important part: I am doing this because we have no DPP rucks for cover this year, so we're going to have to burn trades in the ruck regardless unless you're blessed enough to pick 2 rucks who both don't miss a single game all year. So because we're going to have to burn a trade or two in the rucks anyway, I'm adopting this strategy and choosing to start an extra prem in another line instead of the rucks
I understand the thinking but I still don't like it.
In my case by ridding myself of Jacobs to a Hampson or Ceglar type I end up with truck loads of cash but not enough to upgrade a rookie so it'd be someone like Christensen upgraded to Dahlhaus or Cripps to Kelly with rookie to expensive rookie...not enough appeal there for me... would rather have two set and forget rucks and hope for the best.
If McEvoy or Kreuzer were to go down though Ceglar and Lobbe would suddenly become more attractive though.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 04, 2018, 10:32:24 AM
Yeah i get the strategy, dont think its a good one though

Pick someone like Jacobs and take the chance of him being the 2nd best ruck (in this scenario you dont have to burn a trade) and if hes not you can trade him if you really want (still burning a trade like you would have). While you would have received premo scroing from jacobs in these weeks which you wouldnt get with someone like ceglar. You also get the benfit of being able to pick someone in the D/M/F that will make more cash and maybe score well as there are heaps of good cash making options in other positions. my opinion anyway.

I understand the thinking but I still don't like it.
In my case by ridding myself of Jacobs to a Hampson or Ceglar type I end up with truck loads of cash but not enough to upgrade a rookie so it'd be someone like Christensen upgraded to Dahlhaus or Cripps to Kelly with rookie to expensive rookie...not enough appeal there for me... would rather have two set and forget rucks and hope for the best.
If McEvoy or Kreuzer were to go down though Ceglar and Lobbe would suddenly become more attractive though.

All valid points :)

I'm not saying I am 100% locked on doing this, but that I think it's worth at least exploring

To be honest, I think I would most likely only do it if someone like Lycett looked like being locked in their best 22 because at his price range there is a lot of upside. Dawson Simpson might be the other one to consider if GWS don't want Lobb being their sole ruck

I mentioned their names as examples, but I honestly couldn't see myself picking spuds like Rough/Naismith etc

At the end of the day, it probably just comes down to picking who you think will be the best pick from the 250-300k players like Lycett, Griffen, Christensen, Birchall etc

I'd only want to pick one of them
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: iZander on February 04, 2018, 10:59:55 AM
Yeah i get the strategy, dont think its a good one though

Pick someone like Jacobs and take the chance of him being the 2nd best ruck (in this scenario you dont have to burn a trade) and if hes not you can trade him if you really want (still burning a trade like you would have). While you would have received premo scroing from jacobs in these weeks which you wouldnt get with someone like ceglar. You also get the benfit of being able to pick someone in the D/M/F that will make more cash and maybe score well as there are heaps of good cash making options in other positions. my opinion anyway.

I understand the thinking but I still don't like it.
In my case by ridding myself of Jacobs to a Hampson or Ceglar type I end up with truck loads of cash but not enough to upgrade a rookie so it'd be someone like Christensen upgraded to Dahlhaus or Cripps to Kelly with rookie to expensive rookie...not enough appeal there for me... would rather have two set and forget rucks and hope for the best.
If McEvoy or Kreuzer were to go down though Ceglar and Lobbe would suddenly become more attractive though.

All valid points :)

I'm not saying I am 100% locked on doing this, but that I think it's worth at least exploring

To be honest, I think I would most likely only do it if someone like Lycett looked like being locked in their best 22 because at his price range there is a lot of upside. Dawson Simpson might be the other one to consider if GWS don't want Lobb being their sole ruck

I mentioned their names as examples, but I honestly couldn't see myself picking spuds like Rough/Naismith etc

At the end of the day, it probably just comes down to picking who you think will be the best pick from the 250-300k players like Lycett, Griffen, Christensen, Birchall etc

I'd only want to pick one of them
Yeah i think if there was a good cash making option then id do it but i dont see one thats as good or better than the cash makers in the fwd/mid/def so id just take the risk with someone like Jacobs personally, if hes not the top scorer and you want to trade him then you still burn the trade anyway, but honestly i think Jacobs might actually be the best SC option anyway, so durable, wont miss games, may not be the 2nd highest average but i reckon you could nearly bank on him being one of the 3 highest point scorers
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 04, 2018, 11:46:03 AM
To be honest McEvoy did really well last year when Ceglar was out so maybe he will not just walk back into the team out all year with knee reco? he may need some time in the 2's to get some touch
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 05, 2018, 07:31:10 PM
Fantasy Freako Retweeted SEN Footy
Haselby says that Nic Nat could miss the entire JLT series. Not a great lead into Rnd 1.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 05, 2018, 07:34:57 PM
Fantasy Freako Retweeted SEN Footy
Haselby says that Nic Nat could miss the entire JLT series. Not a great lead into Rnd 1.

He's out for me, think I'll go Grundy who is trending up.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 05, 2018, 07:40:34 PM
Fantasy Freako Retweeted SEN Footy
Haselby says that Nic Nat could miss the entire JLT series. Not a great lead into Rnd 1.

He's out for me, think I'll go Grundy who is trending up.
AFL site saying he is no certainty for R1 oh well might make the rucks a bit more interesting  ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 05, 2018, 07:45:48 PM
Fantasy Freako Retweeted SEN Footy
Haselby says that Nic Nat could miss the entire JLT series. Not a great lead into Rnd 1.

He's out for me, think I'll go Grundy who is trending up.
AFL site saying he is no certainty for R1 oh well might make the rucks a bit more interesting  ;)

There's no obvious pick here, Sauce is up & down, Stef Martin is ageing, Goldy is yesterday's hero. Reckon it has to be Grundy given his age and scoring trend.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on February 05, 2018, 07:57:25 PM
The ruck decision will defintely be a LONGer one but it will GAWN in no time before round 1
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 05, 2018, 08:29:13 PM
Fantasy Freako Retweeted SEN Footy
Haselby says that Nic Nat could miss the entire JLT series. Not a great lead into Rnd 1.

He's out for me, think I'll go Grundy who is trending up.
AFL site saying he is no certainty for R1 oh well might make the rucks a bit more interesting  ;)

There's no obvious pick here, Sauce is up & down, Stef Martin is ageing, Goldy is yesterday's hero. Reckon it has to be Grundy given his age and scoring trend.

Yeah it's going to be tough this year

I've ruled out NN for now, and there's no chance I'm paying up for Kreuz

Ryder has a poor bye, and I feel like he is priced at his max already

Stef might be on the decline, and has the likes of Archie and Oscar knocking the door

Goldy has Preuss

Honestly, I think it has to be either Sauce or Grundy, and I'm not thrilled with either but they are the only 2 I think make sense for now, but I'm sure the JLT will change our views

Lycett at 277k I'd love to start, especially if NN is going to take a while to get going
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on February 05, 2018, 09:01:03 PM
Grundy's scores go to shower when Cox plays
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Torpedo10 on February 05, 2018, 09:17:10 PM
Fantasy Freako Retweeted SEN Footy
Haselby says that Nic Nat could miss the entire JLT series. Not a great lead into Rnd 1.

He's out for me, think I'll go Grundy who is trending up.
AFL site saying he is no certainty for R1 oh well might make the rucks a bit more interesting  ;)

There's no obvious pick here, Sauce is up & down, Stef Martin is ageing, Goldy is yesterday's hero. Reckon it has to be Grundy given his age and scoring trend.

Yeah it's going to be tough this year

I've ruled out NN for now, and there's no chance I'm paying up for Kreuz

Ryder has a poor bye, and I feel like he is priced at his max already

Stef might be on the decline, and has the likes of Archie and Oscar knocking the door

Goldy has Preuss

Honestly, I think it has to be either Sauce or Grundy, and I'm not thrilled with either but they are the only 2 I think make sense for now, but I'm sure the JLT will change our views

Lycett at 277k I'd love to start, especially if NN is going to take a while to get going
Longer not a temptation? Has the discount.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 05, 2018, 10:13:01 PM
Grundy's scores go to shower when Cox plays

Good point. Forgot about Cox for some reason

Sauce it is then  :-\

Longer not a temptation? Has the discount.

4 tons in his last 7 games is encouraging, but at that price I think I'd rather spend the same amount on another line and get someone much more reliable to become a keeper and score more

Honestly, I'll probably be swayed by JLT and just decide after that because it's only a waste of time speculating now lol
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: meow meow on February 05, 2018, 10:16:37 PM
Why not just pick Witts instead?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 05, 2018, 10:41:13 PM
Why not just pick Witts instead?

Seriously considered him. Started him last year and he was fantastic but at his price now I just don't think he has the ceiling to justify picking him at his price
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on February 05, 2018, 10:57:03 PM
Why not just pick Witts instead?
Shhh
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on February 05, 2018, 11:19:58 PM
Why not just pick Witts instead?

Seriously considered him. Started him last year and he was fantastic but at his price now I just don't think he has the ceiling to justify picking him at his price

Plus he has the early bye
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 05, 2018, 11:52:46 PM
Still going nicnat as long as he is named round 1. Even playing sore will average 90+
Just need him to get through the first part of the season without a rest and then I'll be happy to trade to whoever is performing if he does get rested.
Sauce or Goldy are the only other 2 I would consider starting and Goldy has the same bye as Gawn plus the Preuss factor and Jacobs has averaged 86.8 and 95.7 the last 2 years in a good side so don't see where the improvement comes at 30 years old
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Spite on February 06, 2018, 01:07:22 AM
Why not just pick Witts instead?

Seriously considered him. Started him last year and he was fantastic but at his price now I just don't think he has the ceiling to justify picking him at his price

Same bye as Ryder. Ryder at least finished the year very strongly and probably can average 2-3 more than his listed price given his poor start to the season.

I'm still on Sauce but tempted by Ryder
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Sabretooth Tigers on February 06, 2018, 03:49:24 AM
Why not just pick Witts instead?

Seriously considered him. Started him last year and he was fantastic but at his price now I just don't think he has the ceiling to justify picking him at his price

Same bye as Ryder. Ryder at least finished the year very strongly and probably can average 2-3 more than his listed price given his poor start to the season.

 :)
Currently have Gawn and Ryder. My speculation (thoughts) being that Ryder will outscore Jacobs and I save a trade by starting with him. So it comes to :-
saving a trade plus expected extra points  v  1 doughnut. More than obviously if Ryder were to outscore Jacobs over the 1st 10 Rds. it would be worth it without even saving the trade. Definitely leaning toward starting him ATM and because of this dilemna he is currently a POD, in only 8% of teams.

 ;)  Sorry Spite, I cut off the rest of your comment, as below.

I'm still on Sauce but tempted by Ryder
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on February 06, 2018, 09:13:58 AM
Sauce it is then 
Exhausted possibilities mean all roads lead to Jacobs.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 06, 2018, 09:34:51 AM
If NN does not get up and going he might be mothballed for the start of the season still not doing any competitive stuff and does not sounds like he is doing any jumping to test his knee so maybe if can find the cash Lycett might be a cash cow at R3 ?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on February 06, 2018, 09:38:45 AM
If NN does not get up and going he might be mothballed for the start of the season still not doing any competitive stuff and does not sounds like he is doing any jumping to test his knee so maybe if can find the cash Lycett might be a cash cow at R3 ?
Risky and not worth it IMO.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 06, 2018, 09:46:42 AM
If NN does not get up and going he might be mothballed for the start of the season still not doing any competitive stuff and does not sounds like he is doing any jumping to test his knee so maybe if can find the cash Lycett might be a cash cow at R3 ?
Risky and not worth it IMO.

Yeah probably a longshot that I have 277K left over for R3 but it's ok to dream  :D
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on February 06, 2018, 10:04:54 AM
If NN does not get up and going he might be mothballed for the start of the season still not doing any competitive stuff and does not sounds like he is doing any jumping to test his knee so maybe if can find the cash Lycett might be a cash cow at R3 ?
Risky and not worth it IMO.

Yeah probably a longshot that I have 277K left over for R3 but it's ok to dream  :D
Yeah... you don't want that coin sitting on your bench anyway.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on February 09, 2018, 02:27:56 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2018-02-09/alan-richardson-cops-the-fans-hard-questions - 2:06

Longer still hasn't joined the main group, says that Hickey would be ahead if he were picking a team this week. The latter averaged 83.7 in 2016 and is priced at 59.5. Could be a solid stepping stone for those looking for a cheaper R2.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on February 09, 2018, 02:51:02 PM
He also  says he's  slightly ahead of Longer and there's plenty  of time before  round 1. Hate to start Longer or Hickey for them to be dropped a few weeks later for the other. They could end up playing 1/2 a season each ala Berger and Bellchambers. Wish there was a suitable cheap R2 but who? Lycett on watch but only if NN doesn't get up.
Rucks suck this year im thinking Gawn and Ryder and screw the bye.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: meow meow on February 09, 2018, 03:01:44 PM
Witts and Crossley combo if you don't care about the bye.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 09, 2018, 03:09:58 PM
Witts and Crossley combo if you don't care about the bye.
Really meow Crossley maybe Witts and Ryder if you don't care about the bye  ::)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bubbles on February 11, 2018, 04:12:30 PM
Does anyone have any info on Dawson Simpson? Is he a chance to be #1 ruck? He is huge, gets lots of hit outs and scored well in the 2 games he played last year. If he plays round 1 he could be a good pick
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on February 13, 2018, 03:24:14 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on February 13, 2018, 03:37:05 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Huttabito on February 13, 2018, 04:04:20 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
All I'm seeing is Jacobs/Gawn set and forget.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on February 13, 2018, 06:50:08 PM
Not sure why everyone is writing off Ryder due to one  possible donut nearly halfway into the season. Alot can happen in that time and with Rocky,Gray,Boak,SPP,Wines etc. running through that midfield and a slow start last year due to season suspension prior, he has room for improvement.
Cameron,Pittonet and even Flynn from GWS should get games amongst other possibilities so there may indeed be cover. Lobb could even get DPP status seeing as they just made Motlop a mid/fwd. (Wishful thinking:-))
Donuts happen and whilst they should be minimized it's not the end of the world. There's so many ways to get extra points by captains choices/loops, other loopholed players, fielding the right rookies and picking Gun players like Paddy while everyone else worries about round 10.
Remember also he's one more premium you'd have over all the other bye rounds.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Perts24 on February 13, 2018, 07:15:15 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
All I'm seeing is Jacobs/Gawn set and forget.
Can someone enlighten me about the hype to do with Jacobs? Would be very lucky to be a top 3 ruck (Kreuzer, Gawn and Ryder), should be around 10 points a game under those 3.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Southstorm on February 13, 2018, 07:22:14 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
All I'm seeing is Jacobs/Gawn set and forget.
Can someone enlighten me about the hype to do with Jacobs? Would be very lucky to be a top 3 ruck (Kreuzer, Gawn and Ryder), should be around 10 points a game under those 3.
He doesn't share ruck duties with anybody else, is reasonably priced and doesn't have a flowered bye round. It's not hype, it's desperation.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 13, 2018, 07:23:30 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
All I'm seeing is Jacobs/Gawn set and forget.
Can someone enlighten me about the hype to do with Jacobs? Would be very lucky to be a top 3 ruck (Kreuzer, Gawn and Ryder), should be around 10 points a game under those 3.

Don't underestimate the Gibbs factor, Sauce now has a bit of silk to compliment the blue collar types. Carlton lose arguably their best mid, I have no doubts this will hurt Kreuzer. As for Ryder, the bye is the killer, would never structure my team with a donut in mind.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 13, 2018, 07:27:39 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
All I'm seeing is Jacobs/Gawn set and forget.
Can someone enlighten me about the hype to do with Jacobs? Would be very lucky to be a top 3 ruck (Kreuzer, Gawn and Ryder), should be around 10 points a game under those 3.

Don't underestimate the Gibbs factor, Sauce now has a bit of silk to compliment the blue collar types. Carlton lose arguably their best mid, I have no doubts this will hurt Kreuzer. As for Ryder, the bye is the killer, would never structure my team with a donut in mind.
Why do you have to get a donut for choosing Ryder?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 13, 2018, 07:31:29 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
All I'm seeing is Jacobs/Gawn set and forget.
Can someone enlighten me about the hype to do with Jacobs? Would be very lucky to be a top 3 ruck (Kreuzer, Gawn and Ryder), should be around 10 points a game under those 3.

Don't underestimate the Gibbs factor, Sauce now has a bit of silk to compliment the blue collar types. Carlton lose arguably their best mid, I have no doubts this will hurt Kreuzer. As for Ryder, the bye is the killer, would never structure my team with a donut in mind.
Why do you have to get a donut for choosing Ryder?

Well you'd be either wasting a trade or relying on R3 to play round 10. Seems pretty risky to me.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Southstorm on February 13, 2018, 07:36:42 PM
Not sure why everyone is writing off Ryder due to one  possible donut nearly halfway into the season. Alot can happen in that time and with Rocky,Gray,Boak,SPP,Wines etc. running through that midfield and a slow start last year due to season suspension prior, he has room for improvement.
Cameron,Pittonet and even Flynn from GWS should get games amongst other possibilities so there may indeed be cover. Lobb could even get DPP status seeing as they just made Motlop a mid/fwd. (Wishful thinking:-))
Donuts happen and whilst they should be minimized it's not the end of the world. There's so many ways to get extra points by captains choices/loops, other loopholed players, fielding the right rookies and picking Gun players like Paddy while everyone else worries about round 10.
Remember also he's one more premium you'd have over all the other bye rounds.
A bye outside of the bye rounds with no ruck coverage is a guaranteed donut, for a premium priced ruck you're losing 100 points. You don't get it back in the bye rounds unless one week you were going to field 17 instead of 18 players, which isn't something anybody should be planning to do. Same as fielding the right rookies and making the right captain choices, isn't that something you were going to do anyway?

I'm going to start Jacobs and look to trade up to Kreuzer or Ryder after their respective byes. In the meantime, the money saved by going with a cheaper ruck will be put to good use.

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Perts24 on February 13, 2018, 07:40:23 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
All I'm seeing is Jacobs/Gawn set and forget.
Can someone enlighten me about the hype to do with Jacobs? Would be very lucky to be a top 3 ruck (Kreuzer, Gawn and Ryder), should be around 10 points a game under those 3.

Don't underestimate the Gibbs factor, Sauce now has a bit of silk to compliment the blue collar types. Carlton lose arguably their best mid, I have no doubts this will hurt Kreuzer. As for Ryder, the bye is the killer, would never structure my team with a donut in mind.
Why do you have to get a donut for choosing Ryder?
Have to get a donut when they have the early bye cause there is no cover and it's still a normal round.

I can see where you are coming from a bit more with sauce now but I can't see Kreuzer dropping many (if any) points. Last year was the first time he had a full pre season and he has finally strung a good amount of games together, with another full preseason under his belt I think he will have another ripper year.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 13, 2018, 07:42:15 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
All I'm seeing is Jacobs/Gawn set and forget.
Can someone enlighten me about the hype to do with Jacobs? Would be very lucky to be a top 3 ruck (Kreuzer, Gawn and Ryder), should be around 10 points a game under those 3.

Don't underestimate the Gibbs factor, Sauce now has a bit of silk to compliment the blue collar types. Carlton lose arguably their best mid, I have no doubts this will hurt Kreuzer. As for Ryder, the bye is the killer, would never structure my team with a donut in mind.
Why do you have to get a donut for choosing Ryder?

Well you'd be either wasting a trade or relying on R3 to play round 10. Seems pretty risky to me.
Who knows what happens between now and round 10 there could be ruck carnage , the extra points I think Ryder can make might be worth a trade or 2 , some people use all 9 trades in the byes every year maybe using only 7 and a couple for ruck corrections might be a plan , trying to predict everything in your team from day one to the end is silly sometimes you just gotta go with your gut :D
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Sabretooth Tigers on February 13, 2018, 07:43:59 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
All I'm seeing is Jacobs/Gawn set and forget.
Can someone enlighten me about the hype to do with Jacobs? Would be very lucky to be a top 3 ruck (Kreuzer, Gawn and Ryder), should be around 10 points a game under those 3.

Don't underestimate the Gibbs factor, Sauce now has a bit of silk to compliment the blue collar types. Carlton lose arguably their best mid, I have no doubts this will hurt Kreuzer. As for Ryder, the bye is the killer, would never structure my team with a donut in mind.
Why do you have to get a donut for choosing Ryder?

Well you'd be either wasting a trade or relying on R3 to play round 10. Seems pretty risky to me.

 :-\

If Ryder were to outscore the ruckman you would replace him with  in the first 8 Rds by enough to cover not playing   the bye wouldn't he be worth having ?  Mightn't that save a trade ? Guess it depends on what you are playing for  ie  cash league or perhaps overall.

 ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 13, 2018, 07:47:24 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
All I'm seeing is Jacobs/Gawn set and forget.
Can someone enlighten me about the hype to do with Jacobs? Would be very lucky to be a top 3 ruck (Kreuzer, Gawn and Ryder), should be around 10 points a game under those 3.

Don't underestimate the Gibbs factor, Sauce now has a bit of silk to compliment the blue collar types. Carlton lose arguably their best mid, I have no doubts this will hurt Kreuzer. As for Ryder, the bye is the killer, would never structure my team with a donut in mind.
Why do you have to get a donut for choosing Ryder?

Well you'd be either wasting a trade or relying on R3 to play round 10. Seems pretty risky to me.
Who knows what happens between now and round 10 there could be ruck carnage , the extra points I think Ryder can make might be worth a trade or 2 , some people use all 9 trades in the byes every year maybe using only 7 and a couple for ruck corrections might be a plan , trying to predict everything in your team from day one to the end is silly sometimes you just gotta go with your gut :D

So let's say Ryder averages 10 points more than Sauce, that's a mere 90 points difference leading into the bye, pretty hard to justify blowing a trade in my opinion. It's on the same par as picking a donut to cash in a bench ton in the first round.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 13, 2018, 07:56:17 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
All I'm seeing is Jacobs/Gawn set and forget.
Can someone enlighten me about the hype to do with Jacobs? Would be very lucky to be a top 3 ruck (Kreuzer, Gawn and Ryder), should be around 10 points a game under those 3.

Don't underestimate the Gibbs factor, Sauce now has a bit of silk to compliment the blue collar types. Carlton lose arguably their best mid, I have no doubts this will hurt Kreuzer. As for Ryder, the bye is the killer, would never structure my team with a donut in mind.
Why do you have to get a donut for choosing Ryder?

Well you'd be either wasting a trade or relying on R3 to play round 10. Seems pretty risky to me.
Who knows what happens between now and round 10 there could be ruck carnage , the extra points I think Ryder can make might be worth a trade or 2 , some people use all 9 trades in the byes every year maybe using only 7 and a couple for ruck corrections might be a plan , trying to predict everything in your team from day one to the end is silly sometimes you just gotta go with your gut :D

So let's say Ryder averages 10 points more than Sauce, that's a mere 90 points difference leading into the bye, pretty hard to justify blowing a trade in my opinion. It's on the same par as picking a donut to cash in a bench ton in the first round.
Why by not starting players like Dusty or Danger might end up costing you an extra trade to get them in is that a wasted trade? , I usually make 2 or 3 stupid or wasted trades every year maybe this year in the rucks  ;D I don't over think things in SC like I said sometimes you just gotta go with your gut  ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 13, 2018, 08:31:38 PM
Rucks are a nightmare this year

I'm just going to crack the code and go with Gawn at R1 and R2  ;D
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 13, 2018, 08:59:29 PM
Rucks are a nightmare this year

I'm just going to crack the code and go with Gawn at R1 and R2  ;D

Imagine Gawn misses round 1. All hell will break loose
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on February 13, 2018, 10:31:45 PM
Rucks are a nightmare this year

I'm just going to crack the code and go with Gawn at R1 and R2  ;D

Imagine Gawn misses round 1. All hell will break loose
Don't say that :o
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: meow meow on February 13, 2018, 10:50:28 PM
Witts and Crossley combo if you don't care about the bye.
Really meow Crossley maybe Witts and Ryder if you don't care about the bye  ::)

I meant at R2 and R3 pal
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 14, 2018, 01:14:50 AM
Rucks are a nightmare this year

I'm just going to crack the code and go with Gawn at R1 and R2  ;D

Imagine Gawn misses round 1. All hell will break loose
Don't say that :o

At least the rucks would look very different haha
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: dmac07 on February 14, 2018, 06:10:05 PM
Gawn and Lycett locked for me and have been for ages. Lycett only in 1% of teams, everyone else should avoid him though  ;).

Lycett will allow me the oppurtunity to look at the other rucks as I really cant split them after Gawn. Just hoping Nic Nat also plays round 1 so Lycett will stay more unique.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 14, 2018, 06:15:47 PM
Gawn and Lycett locked for me and have been for ages. Lycett only in 1% of teams, everyone else should avoid him though  ;).

Lycett will allow me the oppurtunity to look at the other rucks as I really cant split them after Gawn. Just hoping Nic Nat also plays round 1 so Lycett will stay more unique.

Believe me, if Lycett lines up Round 1 his ownership will be a lot higher than 1%

The reason most of us have not got him in just yet is because we're waiting to see if he looks like getting a game

Vardy isn't going to be pushed aside, so Lycett is no where near a lock to start just yet (But we're all hoping he does!)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 14, 2018, 06:24:19 PM
Gawn and Lycett locked for me and have been for ages. Lycett only in 1% of teams, everyone else should avoid him though  ;).

Lycett will allow me the oppurtunity to look at the other rucks as I really cant split them after Gawn. Just hoping Nic Nat also plays round 1 so Lycett will stay more unique.

Believe me, if Lycett lines up Round 1 his ownership will be a lot higher than 1%

The reason most of us have not got him in just yet is because we're waiting to see if he looks like getting a game

Vardy isn't going to be pushed aside, so Lycett is no where near a lock to start just yet (But we're all hoping he does!)

Doesn't Lycett score terribly with NicNat in the side?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: dmac07 on February 14, 2018, 06:34:39 PM
Gawn and Lycett locked for me and have been for ages. Lycett only in 1% of teams, everyone else should avoid him though  ;).

Lycett will allow me the oppurtunity to look at the other rucks as I really cant split them after Gawn. Just hoping Nic Nat also plays round 1 so Lycett will stay more unique.

Believe me, if Lycett lines up Round 1 his ownership will be a lot higher than 1%

The reason most of us have not got him in just yet is because we're waiting to see if he looks like getting a game

Vardy isn't going to be pushed aside, so Lycett is no where near a lock to start just yet (But we're all hoping he does!)

Doesn't Lycett score terribly with NicNat in the side?

In 2016 Lycett played 20 games and averaged 83, Nic Nat played 15. Havent gone as far as checking which games he was solo in and checking those scores though.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Torpedo10 on February 14, 2018, 06:36:47 PM
Is it possible to score badly as a Ruck with Gaz, Danger, Selwood & Duncan around the Stoppages?

Think about it.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 14, 2018, 06:41:07 PM
Is it possible to score badly as a Ruck with Gaz, Danger, Selwood & Duncan around the Stoppages?

Think about it.

This is kind of my theory with Sauce, Gibbs joins the rotations, Crouch should improve and Sloane probably won't get hard tagged as much.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 14, 2018, 07:05:31 PM
Gawn and Lycett locked for me and have been for ages. Lycett only in 1% of teams, everyone else should avoid him though  ;).

Lycett will allow me the oppurtunity to look at the other rucks as I really cant split them after Gawn. Just hoping Nic Nat also plays round 1 so Lycett will stay more unique.

Believe me, if Lycett lines up Round 1 his ownership will be a lot higher than 1%

The reason most of us have not got him in just yet is because we're waiting to see if he looks like getting a game

Vardy isn't going to be pushed aside, so Lycett is no where near a lock to start just yet (But we're all hoping he does!)

Doesn't Lycett score terribly with NicNat in the side?

In 2016 Lycett played 20 games and averaged 83, Nic Nat played 15. Havent gone as far as checking which games he was solo in and checking those scores though.

Yeah I remember having Lycett in my forward line that year, that's why I remember him suffering when nicnat played haha
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 14, 2018, 07:07:43 PM
Gawn and Lycett locked for me and have been for ages. Lycett only in 1% of teams, everyone else should avoid him though  ;).

Lycett will allow me the oppurtunity to look at the other rucks as I really cant split them after Gawn. Just hoping Nic Nat also plays round 1 so Lycett will stay more unique.

Believe me, if Lycett lines up Round 1 his ownership will be a lot higher than 1%

The reason most of us have not got him in just yet is because we're waiting to see if he looks like getting a game

Vardy isn't going to be pushed aside, so Lycett is no where near a lock to start just yet (But we're all hoping he does!)

Doesn't Lycett score terribly with NicNat in the side?

In 2016 Lycett played 20 games and averaged 83, Nic Nat played 15. Havent gone as far as checking which games he was solo in and checking those scores though.

Yeah I remember having Lycett in my forward line that year, that's why I remember him suffering when nicnat played haha

At 277k though you can't go wrong

It's just a matter of whether he looks to be best 22 or not which is the concern for now, so hopefully we'll find out closer to Round 1
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on February 14, 2018, 08:43:25 PM
Lycett scored 5 tons from 10 games with NN in the side at the start of 2016.
He works well with him and its not scoring I'm worried about its Vardy and whether they play all 3 at once. Lycett has had an awesome preseason and he will play round 1 imo. But will he play 10 games in a row again so he can become Ryder?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on February 14, 2018, 09:14:09 PM
Lycett scored 5 tons from 10 games with NN in the side at the start of 2016.
He works well with him and its not scoring I'm worried about its Vardy and whether they play all 3 at once. Lycett has had an awesome preseason and he will play round 1 imo. But will he play 10 games in a row again so he can become Ryder?
Did an option today that brings in Lycett for Jacobs and upgrade a rookie to JOM at M6.    Like the look of it.  Expect Jaeger to stay on the park and be my upgrade to Dusty. 
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 14, 2018, 09:48:08 PM
Gawn and Lycett locked for me and have been for ages. Lycett only in 1% of teams, everyone else should avoid him though  ;).

Lycett will allow me the oppurtunity to look at the other rucks as I really cant split them after Gawn. Just hoping Nic Nat also plays round 1 so Lycett will stay more unique.

Believe me, if Lycett lines up Round 1 his ownership will be a lot higher than 1%

The reason most of us have not got him in just yet is because we're waiting to see if he looks like getting a game

Vardy isn't going to be pushed aside, so Lycett is no where near a lock to start just yet (But we're all hoping he does!)

Doesn't Lycett score terribly with NicNat in the side?

In 2016 Lycett played 20 games and averaged 83, Nic Nat played 15. Havent gone as far as checking which games he was solo in and checking those scores though.

Yeah I remember having Lycett in my forward line that year, that's why I remember him suffering when nicnat played haha

At 277k though you can't go wrong

It's just a matter of whether he looks to be best 22 or not which is the concern for now, so hopefully we'll find out closer to Round 1

Didn't realise he was that cheap tbh! Very much a consideration.

The problem is even if he and nicnat start round 1 he is only 1 bad game away from being dropped for Vardy
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: eaglesman on February 18, 2018, 12:26:51 PM
I had him for a while but why is Jacobs so popular?
For mine it’s a bit of groupthink theory - following the crowd.
I know kreuzer is expensive but in years gone by we have locked in cox goldy and gawn without blinking.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 18, 2018, 12:35:15 PM
I had him for a while but why is Jacobs so popular?
For mine it’s a bit of groupthink theory - following the crowd.
I know kreuzer is expensive but in years gone by we have locked in cox goldy and gawn without blinking.

Kreuzer won't have the same service at stoppages, Gibbs is a massive out. For 600k that's a big risk. Don't think Jacobs is a bad pick because Kreuzer's loss is Jacob's gain. Not remotely interested in Nic Nat?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: eaglesman on February 18, 2018, 12:50:31 PM
I had him for a while but why is Jacobs so popular?
For mine it’s a bit of groupthink theory - following the crowd.
I know kreuzer is expensive but in years gone by we have locked in cox goldy and gawn without blinking.

Kreuzer won't have the same service at stoppages, Gibbs is a massive out. For 600k that's a big risk. Don't think Jacobs is a bad pick because Kreuzer's loss is Jacob's gain. Not remotely interested in Nic Nat?

Nope not interested in nic nat he will get restricted time on ground and will get rested. One rest and that cheap price counts for nothing

I would definitely pick Ryder but for the bye and I assume most would agree he is prob the pick of the bunch.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 18, 2018, 12:59:31 PM
I had him for a while but why is Jacobs so popular?
For mine it’s a bit of groupthink theory - following the crowd.
I know kreuzer is expensive but in years gone by we have locked in cox goldy and gawn without blinking.

Kreuzer won't have the same service at stoppages, Gibbs is a massive out. For 600k that's a big risk. Don't think Jacobs is a bad pick because Kreuzer's loss is Jacob's gain. Not remotely interested in Nic Nat?

Nope not interested in nic nat he will get restricted time on ground and will get rested. One rest and that cheap price counts for nothing

I would definitely pick Ryder but for the bye and I assume most would agree he is prob the pick of the bunch.

Sauce is basically chosen by default

Kreuz is priced at max value and always has injury risks. Ryder has a poor bye and also priced at max value imo. NN I just can't see playing 22 and if he does his TOG early on might be low. Goldy has Preuss, Grundy has Cox and so on

Sauce just seems like the safe bet to play 22 as sole ruck.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Perts24 on February 18, 2018, 01:11:34 PM
I had him for a while but why is Jacobs so popular?
For mine it’s a bit of groupthink theory - following the crowd.
I know kreuzer is expensive but in years gone by we have locked in cox goldy and gawn without blinking.

Kreuzer won't have the same service at stoppages, Gibbs is a massive out. For 600k that's a big risk. Don't think Jacobs is a bad pick because Kreuzer's loss is Jacob's gain. Not remotely interested in Nic Nat?
Personally, I would imagine that the majority of kreuzer's points came from his work around the ground, not hitouts. Averaged 10 contested possessions, 4 clearances and 5 tackles a game. He averaged 30 hitouts but I'm not sure how many were to advantage, does anyone have that stat or know where I can find it?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: eaglesman on February 18, 2018, 01:15:13 PM
I had him for a while but why is Jacobs so popular?
For mine it’s a bit of groupthink theory - following the crowd.
I know kreuzer is expensive but in years gone by we have locked in cox goldy and gawn without blinking.

Kreuzer won't have the same service at stoppages, Gibbs is a massive out. For 600k that's a big risk. Don't think Jacobs is a bad pick because Kreuzer's loss is Jacob's gain. Not remotely interested in Nic Nat?
Personally, I would imagine that the majority of kreuzer's points came from his work around the ground, not hitouts. Averaged 10 contested possessions, 4 clearances and 5 tackles a game. He averaged 30 hitouts but I'm not sure how many were to advantage, does anyone have that stat or know where I can find it?

I agree not worried about the hitouts as such ... I don’t think sauce is that good of a tap ruck myself
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 18, 2018, 01:30:56 PM
I had him for a while but why is Jacobs so popular?
For mine it’s a bit of groupthink theory - following the crowd.
I know kreuzer is expensive but in years gone by we have locked in cox goldy and gawn without blinking.

Kreuzer won't have the same service at stoppages, Gibbs is a massive out. For 600k that's a big risk. Don't think Jacobs is a bad pick because Kreuzer's loss is Jacob's gain. Not remotely interested in Nic Nat?
Personally, I would imagine that the majority of kreuzer's points came from his work around the ground, not hitouts. Averaged 10 contested possessions, 4 clearances and 5 tackles a game. He averaged 30 hitouts but I'm not sure how many were to advantage, does anyone have that stat or know where I can find it?

These stats are elusive but it only takes -2 a game to bring his average back to the pack. I did remember reading that Lobb had the highest %.

I had him for a while but why is Jacobs so popular?
For mine it’s a bit of groupthink theory - following the crowd.
I know kreuzer is expensive but in years gone by we have locked in cox goldy and gawn without blinking.

Kreuzer won't have the same service at stoppages, Gibbs is a massive out. For 600k that's a big risk. Don't think Jacobs is a bad pick because Kreuzer's loss is Jacob's gain. Not remotely interested in Nic Nat?

Nope not interested in nic nat he will get restricted time on ground and will get rested. One rest and that cheap price counts for nothing

I would definitely pick Ryder but for the bye and I assume most would agree he is prob the pick of the bunch.

Must admit I'm slightly concerned about Nic Nat but it's now been 18 months of recovery so I can only assume the Weagles are doing everything in their power to get him cherry ripe for the opener. There was some talk of him being available for the finals last year but the club erred on the side of conservatism. If his JLT game is solid I'm locking him in. He's probably the same risk profile as Lobb who hasn't had a preseason and is battling dodgy groins.

My one concern with Sauce is the high standard deviation, 59, 60, 60, 61, 65 & 71 tells me he's very capable of throwing in stinkers. That could be poison, particularly in head to heads. It's a far worse record than guys who are competing with second ruckmen, Goldy included.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 18, 2018, 02:41:39 PM
Brad Scott saying that Goldy looks like his All Australian year. I'll go him if nicnat isn't right. Even with Preuss hurting his season he still scored nearly as well as Jocobs. Carried some injuries and personal issues so would expect him to bounce back to 100+
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 18, 2018, 03:03:36 PM
Brad Scott saying that Goldy looks like his All Australian year. I'll go him if nicnat isn't right. Even with Preuss hurting his season he still scored nearly as well as Jocobs. Carried some injuries and personal issues so would expect him to bounce back to 100+

Yeah, I've toyed with Goldy too, still hasn't hit 30 believe it or not. Just for a snapshot on the Preuss impact -

Round 1. Goldy (105) Preuss (44)
Round 2. Goldy (52) Preuss (111)
Round 3. Goldy (DNP) Preuss (87)
Round 4. Goldy (96) Preuss (60)
Round 19. Goldy (DNP) Preuss (39)
Round 20. Goldy (88) Preuss (29)
Round 21. Goldy (32) Preuss (85)
Round 22. Goldy (92) Preuss (47)

Only two absolute horror shows in there, in the last game Preuss was dropped and Goldy scored 122. From those scores Goldy is still head and shoulders above Preuss as a ruck, I remember watching that 32 score and don't recall Goldy getting out of the forward arc much at all. I think Scott knows it's better to play Goldy as chief ruckman.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 18, 2018, 03:16:59 PM
Brad Scott saying that Goldy looks like his All Australian year. I'll go him if nicnat isn't right. Even with Preuss hurting his season he still scored nearly as well as Jocobs. Carried some injuries and personal issues so would expect him to bounce back to 100+

Yeah, I've toyed with Goldy too, still hasn't hit 30 believe it or not. Just for a snapshot on the Preuss impact -

Round 1. Goldy (105) Preuss (44)
Round 2. Goldy (52) Preuss (111)
Round 3. Goldy (DNP) Preuss (87)
Round 4. Goldy (96) Preuss (60)
Round 19. Goldy (DNP) Preuss (39)
Round 20. Goldy (88) Preuss (29)
Round 21. Goldy (32) Preuss (85)
Round 22. Goldy (92) Preuss (47)

Only two absolute horror shows in there, in the last game Preuss was dropped and Goldy scored 122. From those scores Goldy is still head and shoulders above Preuss as a ruck, I remember watching that 32 score and don't recall Goldy getting out of the forward arc much at all. I think Scott knows it's better to play Goldy as chief ruckman.

Yeah I think Goldy had a fair bit going on last year too. The only big issue is that he shares the bye with Gawn
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 18, 2018, 04:54:52 PM
I actually would prefer to start Goldy over Sauce, but Goldy has the same bye as Gawn  :-\
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Huttabito on February 18, 2018, 05:01:35 PM
I actually would prefer to start Goldy over Sauce, but Goldy has the same bye as Gawn  :-\
Surely this is really a non-issue though? Rd14 bye is the killer so dropping Sauce for him sounds like a good idea tbh....
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 18, 2018, 05:18:37 PM
I actually would prefer to start Goldy over Sauce, but Goldy has the same bye as Gawn  :-\
Surely this is really a non-issue though? Rd14 bye is the killer so dropping Sauce for him sounds like a good idea tbh....

You'd think so, but having both rucks out means you only have 20 spots remaining, and need to field 18 so you're pushing it

Not to mention Brisbane, Collingwood, Essendon and GWS all have the bye when Goldy/Gawn does too and there's a lot of popular prems in those teams too
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 18, 2018, 05:30:10 PM
Have not changed my rucks since day 1 Ryder and Gawn resigned to the fact it will cost me 1 or 2 trades come round 10 no biggie and no headache or maybe a cheap R3 might appear by then  ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 18, 2018, 08:41:42 PM
For those who have Goldy on the shortlist, this is worth a read.


Todd Goldstein thought about giving up AFL as he battled on and off the field

TODD Goldstein tried to hide it.

He arrived at the club each morning, and before each game throughout the bulk of last year, trying to conceal the anguish and emptiness.

After some knee issues in 2016, Goldstein’s form plummeted again last season in line with his deteriorating mental state.

Goldstein separated from his wife in 2015, and the subsequent discussion surrounding their three children had taken its toll on him, and his football.

By midway through last year, the man considered the best ruckman in the AFL only two seasons before had lost interest in the game.

He was mentally “exhausted”, he said, and had even withdrawn, in some ways, from the team environment.

In his first interview about “the worst two and half years of my life”, Goldstein said the thought of giving AFL away crossed his mind “in my lowest moments” last season.

“It was about the desire, really,” Goldstein told the Herald Sun.

“To be honest, I didn’t want to be here, and that’s not really about the footy club or a North Melbourne thing. I just didn’t want to be playing.

“It was all a grind for me and being here probably wasn’t the best place for me.”

Goldstein, 29, this week said he was finally ready to talk openly about his on and off-field struggles after a resolution to his family situation late last season.

That much-needed clarity coincided with the best games of his season in the last two rounds and now, after a two-week European holiday in the off-season, Goldstein says he feels capable of reclaiming his sparkling 2015 form.

“The last two and a half years I haven’t been very good at sharing how I am going — even this interview if it was last year I would have been stressing about it for weeks,” he said.

“So, even this is a huge step for me, but I don’t want to shy away from it any more.

“I have learnt the biggest thing is just being open and honest with the people around you if you are struggling, because even doing that is a weight off your shoulders.”

This week at training, Goldstein again showcased his trademark running power, giving Roos chiefs reason to believe their star big man can get back to his best.

Yet last year, when he looked for the energy and motivation to plough into the next marking contest, or sprint across the turf, the tank was often empty.

As a 201cm ruckman, where aggression counts, it was a big problem.

“You need to be committed to jumping into your opponent, getting whacked, and if you don’t have that desire or that commitment, it makes it bloody hard to play that position,” he said.

“And I just didn’t have that. Mostly, I was very tired.

“The process that I have been through is a long and exhausting one and I don’t think you realise just how much it takes out of you mentally.

“And I think that is something that it took me until the middle of last season, that you realise just how exhausted I was.

“I didn’t want to come to training. I didn’t want to play but I don’t want to not play, either.”
He tried to push on, telling himself things would soon improve, on and off the field.

Goldstein has been one of the AFL’s most durable players, managing at least 19 games in each of the past eight seasons. That’s what he has always done, through injury and patchy form, just plough on.

But rumours began to circulate on social media about Goldstein’s family situation and even a potential trade from the Kangaroos.

Some opponents even taunted the 190-gamer on the field about personal matters.

Once incident against Port Adelaide in Round 16, 2016, in particular stung him.

“Yeah it did. It surprised me,” he said.

“Personally I didn’t think you could go there but they did and I think it was more that they didn’t give me the chance to get off the leash.

“Every time I thought I was free I had someone else come at me, so I think that was why I struggled in that game.”

The whole downward spiral felt pretty public, he said.

But it was not until Goldstein played “one of the worst games of my career” against Richmond in Round 11 last year that the cold hard reality hit him.

He had 14 possessions and had failed to take a mark for a second straight game.

Goldstein said he had hit rock bottom and football was far from fun.

He knew he needed help, and met with coach Brad Scott and football chief Cameron Joyce to map out a plan. He was dropped to the VFL.

“It was probably exacerbated by then by the performances I was putting out there, of course, but there were some pretty bad lows,” he said.

“I think Richmond before the bye last year was probably up there with one of my worst performances I have ever put out there on the footy field and I think that was one of the turning points around that break, because I realised that just how much I was struggling.
“It was probably good for me to go back and play a little bit in the VFL.

“As much as you don’t want to, and I feel like I could have probably turned stuff around away from it, but it was also probably a realisation how low I had fallen and how low I was feeling mentally.

“That was probably the catalyst to help me go back and start seeing someone again (for mental help) and start trying to sort out what was going on mentally and how to fix that.”

With the club’s encouragement, Goldstein began to prioritise his mental health, and put some appointments ahead of various club commitments.

“I was seeing someone throughout this whole process but then I probably dropped away from seeing her,” he said.

“When you are grinding through footy and grinding through training, doing stuff with the kids, making sure the kids are all sorted out and doing stuff for everyone else, I didn’t think I was or didn’t admit to myself that I wasn’t looking after myself.

“And I wasn’t happy or enjoying what I was doing.”

But in the last month of the regular season, the arrangements with his children were resolved.

The former gun junior basketballer saw some blue sky and pulled out season-high 11 marks over two games against St Kilda and Brisbane.

After the off-season break with his new partner Felicity, Goldstein resolved to reclaim his mantle as one of the league’s most influential big men.

He was re-energised, and motivated.

He has missed only one session, he said, this pre-season.

“I’m a different person now, and I think the people closest to me would agree,” he said.

“I’ve had a really good break and was able to get out of Australia and it was nice to not think about footy.

“I was able to do some training because you worry about skinfolds going through Switzerland eating cheese and chocolate, but I had a really good base before I went over.

“But I came back really looking forward to getting back to work and looking forward to the season, rather than dreading it, because I know that I have still got a lot of footy ahead of me.
“I know that I have still got my best footy ahead of me.”

And the reality is North need him. They need every cylinder firing if the young Roos are going to recapture the form which saw them stun grand finalist Adelaide last year, providing plenty of hope and optimism around the club’s attempted climb up the ladder this year.

They’re excited by the nucleus of talent grown, since making strong calls on the futures of a bunch of veterans at the end of 2016.

Goldstein, now the longest-serving player at the club, takes the leadership responsibility seriously, after admittedly, struggling with it last year.

“Two years ago I was probably not in the top 10 oldest at the club,” he said.

“But Robbie Thompson and Scotty Thompson were both drafted the year after me, so you do realise you have a responsibility to stand up a bit more.

“I don’t think I have been the greatest teammate because I have been a bit absent.

“But the club needs older guys now to stand up, even when we are not playing our best and lead from the front to help usher these younger guys through.

“That’s what I have been trying to do as best as I can this preseason.

“We are all really looking forward to the season and excited about what we can do together with such a young team.”
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on February 18, 2018, 08:52:43 PM
^Sounds like one worth considering. However at the end of the day, Preuss will be taking points from him.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 18, 2018, 08:52:50 PM
Very interesting read, and something I wasn't aware of was the stage that he apparently was at

Good luck to Todd

Feels kinda selfish talking SC worth after reading that, but I'm bringing him in!

Goldy and Gawn!
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on February 18, 2018, 08:56:39 PM
Very interesting read, and something I wasn't aware of was the stage that he apparently was at

Good luck to Todd

Feels kinda selfish talking SC worth after reading that, but I'm bringing him in!

Goldy and Gawn!
True, but this is an SC forum :P
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 18, 2018, 09:10:27 PM
Knew there was some personal things going on and that explains a lot.

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 18, 2018, 09:13:47 PM
^Sounds like one worth considering. However at the end of the day, Preuss will be taking points from him.

That's if they are played together. I'm not convinced they will be, it didn't work and surely the selectors at north can see that
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 18, 2018, 09:18:12 PM
^Sounds like one worth considering. However at the end of the day, Preuss will be taking points from him.

Not if Goldy revert back to form, clearly North's number 1 ruck.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on February 18, 2018, 09:25:27 PM
^Sounds like one worth considering. However at the end of the day, Preuss will be taking points from him.

That's if they are played together. I'm not convinced they will be, it didn't work and surely the selectors at north can see that
So how does that help Goldy? Preuss is the future and North are unlikely to be top eight again in Goldy's career. They need to get as many games as possible into Preuss so whether they play together or not I can't see him returning to his SC greatness. He is likely to improve on last year but also will either have decreased output with Preuss and/or will get rested for him.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 18, 2018, 09:33:58 PM
^Sounds like one worth considering. However at the end of the day, Preuss will be taking points from him.

That's if they are played together. I'm not convinced they will be, it didn't work and surely the selectors at north can see that
So how does that help Goldy? Preuss is the future and North are unlikely to be top eight again in Goldy's career. They need to get as many games as possible into Preuss so whether they play together or not I can't see him returning to his SC greatness. He is likely to improve on last year but also will either have decreased output with Preuss and/or will get rested for him.

Think there is a clear message given Majak is being trialed as a backman, my reading is that Goldy takes the majority of ruck work & Preuss can hone his forward craft. If North have made a public statement that Goldstein looks ripe for a 2015 repeat then that bodes well for a good stint in the middle. 
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 18, 2018, 11:31:15 PM
^Sounds like one worth considering. However at the end of the day, Preuss will be taking points from him.

That's if they are played together. I'm not convinced they will be, it didn't work and surely the selectors at north can see that
So how does that help Goldy? Preuss is the future and North are unlikely to be top eight again in Goldy's career. They need to get as many games as possible into Preuss so whether they play together or not I can't see him returning to his SC greatness. He is likely to improve on last year but also will either have decreased output with Preuss and/or will get rested for him.

Watch from the 35 second mark
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2018-02-16/rookies-to-watch-and-whos-the-no1-ruck

That to me says unless Preuss pulls out some very solid games up forward in the JLT he won't be in the side
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on February 19, 2018, 10:15:15 AM
This is making me really consider Goldy. Surely if North have come out and said he looks like he is back to his best they aren't going to play him as their second ruck?

He is practically the same price as Jacobs and the same age but the difference is Goldy has a much higher ceiling.

The bye is interesting though as having Gawn/Goldy out would hurt a lot in round 13 but would help in round 14 which is looking like the hardest one to cover.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: LordSneeze on February 19, 2018, 10:25:56 AM
I want them to not talk up Goldy, ive been all over him since SC opened and the more he gets talked about the less of a POD he will become.

People keep talking up the Preuss factor, but if you look into the stats (Not the SC points) you will soon realise there was other reasons behind the slightly lower scores in matches both played. Just a hint, bounces attended, HOTA, DE% might give you some help.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ricochet on February 19, 2018, 01:02:53 PM
^Sounds like one worth considering. However at the end of the day, Preuss will be taking points from him.

That's if they are played together. I'm not convinced they will be, it didn't work and surely the selectors at north can see that
So how does that help Goldy? Preuss is the future and North are unlikely to be top eight again in Goldy's career. They need to get as many games as possible into Preuss so whether they play together or not I can't see him returning to his SC greatness. He is likely to improve on last year but also will either have decreased output with Preuss and/or will get rested for him.

Watch from the 35 second mark
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2018-02-16/rookies-to-watch-and-whos-the-no1-ruck

That to me says unless Preuss pulls out some very solid games up forward in the JLT he won't be in the side
Good link there Quinny. I've definitely started to consider Goldy again now, but we'll have to see how they use Preuss
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on February 19, 2018, 01:44:22 PM
Seriously considering Jacobs and Goldy as my set and forget rucks. A lot though depends on rookies starting and whether I can afford the extra 23k,
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ricochet on February 19, 2018, 02:29:00 PM
Seriously considering Jacobs and Goldy as my set and forget rucks. A lot though depends on rookies starting and whether I can afford the extra 23k,
no Gawn??
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: GoLions on February 19, 2018, 02:33:54 PM
Seriously considering Jacobs and Goldy as my set and forget rucks. A lot though depends on rookies starting and whether I can afford the extra 23k,
no Gawn??
Maybe Ringo holds a grudge for Gawn getting rid of the beard last year. Can't think of any other reason not to start him tbh.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Huttabito on February 19, 2018, 02:35:07 PM
All things aside, I'd still want to see what they plan to do with Pruess first.

Average with: 77.5 (1/6 100+)
Average without: 102.8 (8/13 100+)

Had two shockers when Pruess played (32, 52) with the rest between 88-105, so not awful, but I'd still want more higher scores.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on February 19, 2018, 03:14:56 PM
Norf's got too many talls and don't know what do with them. Daw down back, Wood and Waite on wings and kids that can't get a game, Mckay/ Ed Vickers/Junker/hibberd. Don't know that we will learn much from JLT, tbh.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 19, 2018, 04:10:54 PM
This is gonna be one of those decisions that can't be made until Thursday night before round 1
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on February 19, 2018, 05:17:25 PM
This is gonna be one of those decisions that can't be made until Thursday night before round 1

Yep, Goldy's named, locked and loaded. Think this Preuss thing is being blown out of proportion. Goldy is Norf's number one ruck and it's just a case of who and how they fit his backup in the team.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 19, 2018, 05:37:20 PM
This is gonna be one of those decisions that can't be made until Thursday night before round 1

Yep, Goldy's named, locked and loaded. Think this Preuss thing is being blown out of proportion. Goldy is Norf's number one ruck and it's just a case of who and how they fit his backup in the team.

Agree

They dropped Preuss after R4 and he didn't return until R19 when Goldy was clearly going through a lot off field at that exact time
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 19, 2018, 05:40:22 PM
This is gonna be one of those decisions that can't be made until Thursday night before round 1

Yep, Goldy's named, locked and loaded. Think this Preuss thing is being blown out of proportion. Goldy is Norf's number one ruck and it's just a case of who and how they fit his backup in the team.

Agree

They dropped Preuss after R4 and he didn't return until R19 when Goldy was clearly going through a lot off field at that exact time

Yeah I agree as well. The theory that they will play Preuss ahead of Goldy to get games into him is nonsense. Goldy is the best ruckman in the comp and had a down year with a lot going on, I expect him to bounce back. And even if he doesn't and averages 95 it's not the end of the world, won't be many better either way
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on February 19, 2018, 09:32:53 PM
This is gonna be one of those decisions that can't be made until Thursday night before round 1

Yep, Goldy's named, locked and loaded. Think this Preuss thing is being blown out of proportion. Goldy is Norf's number one ruck and it's just a case of who and how they fit his backup in the team.

Agree

They dropped Preuss after R4 and he didn't return until R19 when Goldy was clearly going through a lot off field at that exact time

Yeah I agree as well. The theory that they will play Preuss ahead of Goldy to get games into him is nonsense. Goldy is the best ruckman in the comp and had a down year with a lot going on, I expect him to bounce back. And even if he doesn't and averages 95 it's not the end of the world, won't be many better either way
Don't think they'll play him ahead of Goldy, reckon they'll play both alongside each other. Which is equally concerning as they'll share game time, hitouts and SC points.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 19, 2018, 09:40:44 PM
INB4 Preuss plays less than 5 games  ;D
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: _wato on February 19, 2018, 09:49:02 PM
Goldy/Gawn
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: dmac07 on February 20, 2018, 12:51:39 PM
As per SEN, Nic Nat certain to miss start of season.

Was hoping both he and Lycett would start the season making Lycett more unique.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 20, 2018, 02:14:27 PM
As per SEN, Nic Nat certain to miss start of season.

Was hoping both he and Lycett would start the season making Lycett more unique.

Was hoping Nic Nat started round 1 and then pulled up sore and was rested round 2. Currently 37% ownership.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 20, 2018, 02:21:32 PM
As per SEN, Nic Nat certain to miss start of season.

Was hoping both he and Lycett would start the season making Lycett more unique.

Was hoping Nic Nat started round 1 and then pulled up sore and was rested round 2. Currently 37% ownership.
This might be something he may never fully recover from we may have seen the best of NN
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 20, 2018, 02:24:34 PM
As per SEN, Nic Nat certain to miss start of season.

Was hoping both he and Lycett would start the season making Lycett more unique.

Was hoping Nic Nat started round 1 and then pulled up sore and was rested round 2. Currently 37% ownership.
This might be something he may never fully recover from we may have seen the best of NN

Saw a good article citing Darcy, Primus & Rehn being a shadow of their former selves after knee recos. Naitanui's was worse apparently.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 20, 2018, 02:27:46 PM
This is gonna be one of those decisions that can't be made until Thursday night before round 1

Yep, Goldy's named, locked and loaded. Think this Preuss thing is being blown out of proportion. Goldy is Norf's number one ruck and it's just a case of who and how they fit his backup in the team.


Agree

They dropped Preuss after R4 and he didn't return until R19 when Goldy was clearly going through a lot off field at that exact time

Yeah I agree as well. The theory that they will play Preuss ahead of Goldy to get games into him is nonsense. Goldy is the best ruckman in the comp and had a down year with a lot going on, I expect him to bounce back. And even if he doesn't and averages 95 it's not the end of the world, won't be many better either way
Don't think they'll play him ahead of Goldy, reckon they'll play both alongside each other. Which is equally concerning as they'll share game time, hitouts and SC points.

That will rarely happen, neither of them are any good forward. Judging by what Scott is saying, Preuss is gonna have to show something pretty good up forward in the JLT for them to go with both
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 20, 2018, 03:57:13 PM
This is gonna be one of those decisions that can't be made until Thursday night before round 1

Yep, Goldy's named, locked and loaded. Think this Preuss thing is being blown out of proportion. Goldy is Norf's number one ruck and it's just a case of who and how they fit his backup in the team.


Agree

They dropped Preuss after R4 and he didn't return until R19 when Goldy was clearly going through a lot off field at that exact time

Yeah I agree as well. The theory that they will play Preuss ahead of Goldy to get games into him is nonsense. Goldy is the best ruckman in the comp and had a down year with a lot going on, I expect him to bounce back. And even if he doesn't and averages 95 it's not the end of the world, won't be many better either way
Don't think they'll play him ahead of Goldy, reckon they'll play both alongside each other. Which is equally concerning as they'll share game time, hitouts and SC points.

That will rarely happen, neither of them are any good forward. Judging by what Scott is saying, Preuss is gonna have to show something pretty good up forward in the JLT for them to go with both

Time to stop talking about Goldy!  ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on February 20, 2018, 04:30:45 PM
Goldy comes with a risk. Brad Scott talk is cheap.
NN continues to throw question marks around.
Just get Sauce.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 20, 2018, 04:59:48 PM
Goldy comes with a risk. Brad Scott talk is cheap.
NN continues to throw question marks around.
Just get Sauce.

Funny enough Sauce had more crap scores than Goldy last year.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on February 20, 2018, 05:01:34 PM
Goldy comes with a risk. Brad Scott talk is cheap.
NN continues to throw question marks around.
Just get Sauce.

Funny enough Sauce had more crap scores than Goldy last year.
That may be true but Preuss doesn't play for Adelaide and Sauce will likely play 22 games.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 20, 2018, 05:27:01 PM
This is gonna be one of those decisions that can't be made until Thursday night before round 1

Yep, Goldy's named, locked and loaded. Think this Preuss thing is being blown out of proportion. Goldy is Norf's number one ruck and it's just a case of who and how they fit his backup in the team.


Agree

They dropped Preuss after R4 and he didn't return until R19 when Goldy was clearly going through a lot off field at that exact time

Yeah I agree as well. The theory that they will play Preuss ahead of Goldy to get games into him is nonsense. Goldy is the best ruckman in the comp and had a down year with a lot going on, I expect him to bounce back. And even if he doesn't and averages 95 it's not the end of the world, won't be many better either way
Don't think they'll play him ahead of Goldy, reckon they'll play both alongside each other. Which is equally concerning as they'll share game time, hitouts and SC points.

That will rarely happen, neither of them are any good forward. Judging by what Scott is saying, Preuss is gonna have to show something pretty good up forward in the JLT for them to go with both

Time to stop talking about Goldy!  ;)

Agreed, I should never have opened my mouth haha
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: meow meow on February 20, 2018, 05:57:12 PM
Stefan is the correct answer.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Woppa15 on February 20, 2018, 06:05:12 PM
Grundy......

Will cox even play, he isn’t even any good
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 20, 2018, 08:56:53 PM
Grundy......

Will cox even play, he isn’t even any good

They don't have a choice though, their only other key forward is Darcy Moore and bucks has said they are going to play him back.
I guess they could just go with Reid forward but thats hardly a safe plan given his injury history
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: meow meow on February 20, 2018, 09:03:10 PM
Grundy......

Will cox even play, he isn’t even any good

Averages close to 2 goals a game when playing as a key forward. 40 goals a season wouldn't be a bad return for a guy who isn't any good.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Samsturmfels on February 20, 2018, 09:18:49 PM
Quite confident Cox will regularly be getting games due to the lack of KPP the Pies have. With moore going back, it leaves Reid and Cox to be the tall forwards.
However in saying that, Grundy is still currently in my team. He's still developing and has played 60 games in the last 3 years which shows his durability. When looking at the top 15 rucks, in my opinion has the most potential upside due to not even in his prime yet (still only 23)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on February 20, 2018, 10:00:27 PM
Goldy comes with a risk. Brad Scott talk is cheap.
NN continues to throw question marks around.
Just get Sauce.

Funny enough Sauce had more crap scores than Goldy last year.
That may be true but Preuss doesn't play for Adelaide and Sauce will likely play 22 games.

Sauce don't need Preuss to turn out sub-par scores.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: fasttrack13 on February 21, 2018, 04:25:43 PM
Goldy comes with a risk. Brad Scott talk is cheap.
NN continues to throw question marks around.
Just get Sauce.

Funny enough Sauce had more crap scores than Goldy last year.
That may be true but Preuss doesn't play for Adelaide and Sauce will likely play 22 games.

Sauce don't need Preuss to turn out sub-par scores.

Preuss does not play when Wood, Waite and Brown are your key talls. Goldy got through the whole preseason this year, only reason preuss played early was because goldy was underdone. Goldy went 101 w/o preuss as well.
My only concern with Goldstein is Wood's knack of getting injured. Opens that door...

Sauce going over 100 is unlikely.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on February 21, 2018, 04:48:38 PM
Goldy comes with a risk. Brad Scott talk is cheap.
NN continues to throw question marks around.
Just get Sauce.

Funny enough Sauce had more crap scores than Goldy last year.
That may be true but Preuss doesn't play for Adelaide and Sauce will likely play 22 games.

Sauce don't need Preuss to turn out sub-par scores.

Preuss does not play when Wood, Waite and Brown are your key talls. Goldy got through the whole preseason this year, only reason preuss played early was because goldy was underdone. Goldy went 101 w/o preuss as well.
My only concern with Goldstein is Wood's knack of getting injured. Opens that door...

Sauce going over 100 is unlikely.
Can we please stop talking about Goldy.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: fasttrack13 on February 21, 2018, 04:58:37 PM
Goldy comes with a risk. Brad Scott talk is cheap.
NN continues to throw question marks around.
Just get Sauce.

Funny enough Sauce had more crap scores than Goldy last year.
That may be true but Preuss doesn't play for Adelaide and Sauce will likely play 22 games.

Sauce don't need Preuss to turn out sub-par scores.

Preuss does not play when Wood, Waite and Brown are your key talls. Goldy got through the whole preseason this year, only reason preuss played early was because goldy was underdone. Goldy went 101 w/o preuss as well.
My only concern with Goldstein is Wood's knack of getting injured. Opens that door...

Sauce going over 100 is unlikely.
Can we please stop talking about Goldy.

#Kroozstein
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 21, 2018, 05:06:05 PM
Goldy comes with a risk. Brad Scott talk is cheap.
NN continues to throw question marks around.
Just get Sauce.

Funny enough Sauce had more crap scores than Goldy last year.
That may be true but Preuss doesn't play for Adelaide and Sauce will likely play 22 games.

Sauce don't need Preuss to turn out sub-par scores.

Preuss does not play when Wood, Waite and Brown are your key talls. Goldy got through the whole preseason this year, only reason preuss played early was because goldy was underdone. Goldy went 101 w/o preuss as well.
My only concern with Goldstein is Wood's knack of getting injured. Opens that door...

Sauce going over 100 is unlikely.
Can we please stop talking about Goldy.

Goldy at 3%, be interesting to see how many will flock to him once Nic Nat pulls out (although I'm hoping he's named). The latest is he'll be right for JLT.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-21/eagles-still-targeting-jlt-return-for-nic-nat
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 21, 2018, 05:09:46 PM
Goldy comes with a risk. Brad Scott talk is cheap.
NN continues to throw question marks around.
Just get Sauce.

Funny enough Sauce had more crap scores than Goldy last year.
That may be true but Preuss doesn't play for Adelaide and Sauce will likely play 22 games.

Sauce don't need Preuss to turn out sub-par scores.

Preuss does not play when Wood, Waite and Brown are your key talls. Goldy got through the whole preseason this year, only reason preuss played early was because goldy was underdone. Goldy went 101 w/o preuss as well.
My only concern with Goldstein is Wood's knack of getting injured. Opens that door...

Sauce going over 100 is unlikely.
Can we please stop talking about Goldy.

Goldy at 3%, be interesting to see how many will flock to him once Nic Nat pulls out (although I'm hoping he's named). The latest is he'll be right for JLT.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-21/eagles-still-targeting-jlt-return-for-nic-nat

Ive been on Nicnat and backing him in if he gets up for Round 1 but the more I look at Goldy/Gawn in my rucks the more I reminisce about 2 years ago when I had them dominating there all year
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 21, 2018, 05:13:35 PM
Goldy comes with a risk. Brad Scott talk is cheap.
NN continues to throw question marks around.
Just get Sauce.

Funny enough Sauce had more crap scores than Goldy last year.
That may be true but Preuss doesn't play for Adelaide and Sauce will likely play 22 games.

Sauce don't need Preuss to turn out sub-par scores.

Preuss does not play when Wood, Waite and Brown are your key talls. Goldy got through the whole preseason this year, only reason preuss played early was because goldy was underdone. Goldy went 101 w/o preuss as well.
My only concern with Goldstein is Wood's knack of getting injured. Opens that door...

Sauce going over 100 is unlikely.
Can we please stop talking about Goldy.

Goldy at 3%, be interesting to see how many will flock to him once Nic Nat pulls out (although I'm hoping he's named). The latest is he'll be right for JLT.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-21/eagles-still-targeting-jlt-return-for-nic-nat

Ive been on Nicnat and backing him in if he gets up for Round 1 but the more I look at Goldy/Gawn in my rucks the more I reminisce about 2 years ago when I had them dominating there all year

Hope you've done your crisis training, Nic Nat gets rested in the first few rounds and what's the back-up? Can't go sideways because he's the cheapest premo, can't really go down unless you want Lycett but you'll have to eventually trade him out as well. Believe me, Nic Nat fits my structure beautifully but the downside is immense, especially if it's a one weeker.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 21, 2018, 05:17:24 PM
Goldy comes with a risk. Brad Scott talk is cheap.
NN continues to throw question marks around.
Just get Sauce.

Funny enough Sauce had more crap scores than Goldy last year.
That may be true but Preuss doesn't play for Adelaide and Sauce will likely play 22 games.

Sauce don't need Preuss to turn out sub-par scores.

Preuss does not play when Wood, Waite and Brown are your key talls. Goldy got through the whole preseason this year, only reason preuss played early was because goldy was underdone. Goldy went 101 w/o preuss as well.
My only concern with Goldstein is Wood's knack of getting injured. Opens that door...

Sauce going over 100 is unlikely.
Can we please stop talking about Goldy.

Goldy at 3%, be interesting to see how many will flock to him once Nic Nat pulls out (although I'm hoping he's named). The latest is he'll be right for JLT.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-21/eagles-still-targeting-jlt-return-for-nic-nat

Ive been on Nicnat and backing him in if he gets up for Round 1 but the more I look at Goldy/Gawn in my rucks the more I reminisce about 2 years ago when I had them dominating there all year

Hope you've done your crisis training, Nic Nat gets rested in the first few rounds and what's the back-up? Can't go sideways because he's the cheapest premo, can't really go down unless you want Lycett but you'll have to trade him eventually out as well. Believe me, Nic Nat fits my structure beautifully but the downside is immense, especially if it's a one weeker.

That's exactly why I'm warming to the big boy from North. Just looks better alongside Gawn.
I have LDU, Brodie, and Stephenson as high priced rookies in my side so dropping just one of them to a cheaper rookie means I can change Nicnat to Goldy. Just need to see who's available come round 1
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Nige on February 21, 2018, 05:43:20 PM
Pretty simple solution here is go Naismith/Sinclair with Cameron at R3.

You'll be laughing!

Pack 'er up gang, we're done here.  8)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: GoLions on February 21, 2018, 05:47:23 PM
Pretty simple solution here is go Naismith/Sinclair with Cameron at R3.

You'll be laughing!

Pack 'er up gang, we're done here.  8)
UTG team name?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Nige on February 21, 2018, 05:50:24 PM
Pretty simple solution here is go Naismith/Sinclair with Cameron at R3.

You'll be laughing!

Pack 'er up gang, we're done here.  8)
UTG team name?
Go Pack Yourself.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on February 21, 2018, 05:50:51 PM
Pretty simple solution here is go Naismith/Sinclair with Cameron at R3.

You'll be laughing!

Pack 'er up gang, we're done here.  8)
Ha I've thought more than once about doing this.
Then I think Sinclair/Naismith get injured,Longmire chucks Aliir in as back up to the survivor and Cameron doesn't play till round 15.
Can't see any of them scoring well enough either, although Aliir would be value at his price.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on February 21, 2018, 05:54:46 PM
Pretty simple solution here is go Naismith/Sinclair with Cameron at R3.

You'll be laughing!

Pack 'er up gang, we're done here.  8)

for 1.1 mil you could go Nic Nat, Vardy, Lycett about the same as goldy gawn olango  :o
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Nige on February 21, 2018, 05:59:09 PM
If you're feeling lucky, why not try the Sandi/Darcy/Jones trio? I don't wanna say it's money for jam, but it's money for jam!  8)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on February 21, 2018, 06:23:30 PM
If you're feeling lucky, why not try the Sandi/Darcy/Jones trio? I don't wanna say it's money for jam, but it's money for jam!  8)

But Capt Strndica might get another game. He got many last season.   :D
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on February 22, 2018, 01:35:03 PM
Jacobs seems the obvious pick at 2.

There are no obvious standouts so a high 90s from jacob seems great. You will likely not have to worry about that spot all year and can use r3 as a non playing guy to get the captain loophole.

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Post by: Bully on February 22, 2018, 01:40:44 PM
Jacobs seems the obvious pick at 2.

There are no obvious standouts so a high 90s from jacob seems great. You will likely not have to worry about that spot all year and can use r3 as a non playing guy to get the captain loophole.

You sure your not hoarding Goldy at R1?
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Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 22, 2018, 02:07:05 PM
Jacobs seems the obvious pick at 2.

There are no obvious standouts so a high 90s from jacob seems great. You will likely not have to worry about that spot all year and can use r3 as a non playing guy to get the captain loophole.

You sure your not hoarding Goldy at R1?

 ;D ;D ;D 100% he is!
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Post by: shaker on February 22, 2018, 02:12:12 PM
Jacobs seems the obvious pick at 2.

There are no obvious standouts so a high 90s from jacob seems great. You will likely not have to worry about that spot all year and can use r3 as a non playing guy to get the captain loophole.


Just can't get excited about Jacobs even though the Crows are playing excellent footy he just throws in to many very average scores don't know if I want that all year
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Post by: Holz on February 22, 2018, 10:51:03 PM
I have goldy gawn at the moment of course.

But jacobs is the safe pick.

In response to shaker jacobs isnt an exciting pick he is just  a meh good enough. So you dont gain or lose in that spot.
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Post by: SilverLion on February 23, 2018, 10:03:27 AM
Jacobs, Gawn for me currently. Will be tempted to bring in Lycett though if he is named round 1. Would give the funds to make some worthwhile upgrades elsewhere.
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Post by: smashbox on February 23, 2018, 03:55:31 PM
I'm considering lycett as well with an aim to see who the next best ruck is after Gawn and bring them in post bye
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Post by: eaglesman on February 23, 2018, 05:38:17 PM
What’s Lycetts ownership?
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Post by: frenzy on February 23, 2018, 05:45:43 PM
2%
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Post by: quinny88 on February 23, 2018, 06:11:58 PM
I'm considering lycett as well with an aim to see who the next best ruck is after Gawn and bring them in post bye

If I was doing that I'd aim for Ryder after rd 9. Will be super handy to have through the byes too
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Post by: Ingram on February 23, 2018, 08:37:43 PM
Dawson looked ok today?
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Post by: Jalapeno on February 23, 2018, 09:16:31 PM
Kreuzer
Goldy
Gawn
Ryder
Grundy
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Post by: frenzy on February 24, 2018, 12:18:07 AM
Dawson looked ok today?

Did Lobb play? or Dawson one out.