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Title: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on January 11, 2018, 09:58:19 AM
vote for top 2 and list top 5.

Gawn
Ryder
Kreuzer
Jacobs
McEvoy

Really just a stab in the dark this year.

Goldy will be replaced by Preuss by seasons end meaning a drastic drop in points as well as being traded too a team in the premiership window in need of a ruck in the trade period for a draft pick at around the 40 mark.

Martin too share the ruck load with Smith or McInerey as they develop there rucks of the future which will see him drop in points and not be a viable option.

Grundy will have to spend time with Cox before Buckley gets axed in the late rounds of the season. Next season Cox won't get a game and Grundy/Gawn will be the dominate combo.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on January 11, 2018, 10:09:53 AM
Most points
Gawn
Kruezer
Ryder
Jacobs
McEvoy
Good comments MS.     Ruck sharing sucks for SC scoring.
I cannot see NicNat putting in 20+ games so for me he is best a first half season goat option.     
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on January 11, 2018, 10:15:14 AM
Most points
Gawn
Kruezer
Ryder
Jacobs
McEvoy
Good comments MS.     Ruck sharing sucks for SC scoring.
I cannot see NicNat putting in 20+ games so for me he is best a first half season goat option.   
In the perfect world Nic Nat plays all games up until round 11 for a 95 average (if he is scoring more than that you would be inclined to keep him which would probably end bad) and makes some money. We Can then trade to Ryder who has went down a little bit in value while maintaing his 105 average for cover over the byes.

However by round 11 im sure there will be many other issues that need attention before trading out a guy like Nic Nat.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jfitty on January 11, 2018, 10:17:47 AM
For me:

Gawn
Ryder
Kreuzer
Jacobs
Grundy/Martin

NicNat will be up there in terms of average - but agree that I don't think he'll play every game. Still a lock from the start though.

I really like Ryder this year - he'll definitely continue on his form from last season. Gawn is the elite ruck in the comp, and Kreuzer should be solid again if he can stay healthy.

I still think Grundy and Martin can be around the top 5, but I'd be surprised if they averaged over 100.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: LordSneeze on January 11, 2018, 10:21:44 AM
Pretty confident with Gawn & Ryder being top 5

The others is anyones guess.
I think it will be
Goldy
Martin
Jacobs
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on January 11, 2018, 10:22:25 AM
Most points
Gawn
Kruezer
Ryder
Jacobs
McEvoy
Good comments MS.     Ruck sharing sucks for SC scoring.
I cannot see NicNat putting in 20+ games so for me he is best a first half season goat option.   
In the perfect world Nic Nat plays all games up until round 11 for a 95 average (if he is scoring more than that you would be inclined to keep him which would probably end bad) and makes some money. We Can then trade to Ryder who has went down a little bit in value while maintaing his 105 average for cover over the byes.

However by round 11 im sure there will be many other issues that need attention before trading out a guy like Nic Nat.
That is the problem with these type of strategies.  come mid season we are in the middle of it all it becomes easy to defer what we should be focussed on.   
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on January 11, 2018, 10:22:57 AM
Jacobs
Gawn
Kreuzer
Ryder
Martin
Naitanui
McEvoy
Grundy
Goldstein
Witts

Jacobs the most likely to play all 22, thus the most likely to have the highest EOY total IMO.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on January 11, 2018, 10:27:47 AM
Most points
Gawn
Kruezer
Ryder
Jacobs
McEvoy
Good comments MS.     Ruck sharing sucks for SC scoring.
I cannot see NicNat putting in 20+ games so for me he is best a first half season goat option.   
In the perfect world Nic Nat plays all games up until round 11 for a 95 average (if he is scoring more than that you would be inclined to keep him which would probably end bad) and makes some money. We Can then trade to Ryder who has went down a little bit in value while maintaing his 105 average for cover over the byes.

However by round 11 im sure there will be many other issues that need attention before trading out a guy like Nic Nat.
That is the problem with these type of strategies.  come mid season we are in the middle of it all it becomes easy to defer what we should be focussed on.
Exactly. I think Naitnuai's value is too good too pass up and ideally I would use him as a small stepping stone but there is a good chance I will be stuck with him for the season haha.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on January 11, 2018, 10:29:53 AM
Jacobs
Gawn
Kreuzer
Ryder
Martin
Naitanui
McEvoy
Grundy
Goldstein
Witts

Jacobs the most likely to play all 22, thus the most likely to have the highest EOY total IMO.
Fair enough. Gawn probably only needs to play 18-19 games to have the most points at the end of the season however and Ryder and Kreuzer seem to be past there injury troubles but I agree Jacobs is most likely to play 22.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on January 11, 2018, 11:35:59 AM
Ryder
Kreuzer
Gawn
Jacobs
Witts

Ryder and Kreuzer for 1 and 2 and I have thrown Witts in as a roughy for top 5 think he can improve along with GC team but will start Gawn and either Kreuzer or Ryder but still can't get excited about Nic Nat that horrible word " degenerative " when they were talking about his knee just scares me off
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: meow meow on January 11, 2018, 12:35:28 PM
We Can then trade to Ryder who has went down a little bit in value while maintaing his 105 average for cover over the byes.

Wouldn't mind swapping NN too Paddy after he was went down a bit. He should be the dominate ruckman after there bye.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on January 11, 2018, 01:02:19 PM
We Can then trade to Ryder who has went down a little bit in value while maintaing his 105 average for cover over the byes.

Wouldn't mind swapping NN too Paddy after he was went down a bit. He should be the dominate ruckman after there bye.
Ideally, this is what I plan on doing.

But there will be bigger problems come round 11 so who knows what will actually happen.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Grufflez on January 11, 2018, 01:47:06 PM
No fkn clue.

Rucks are going to be very important this year.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on January 11, 2018, 02:30:32 PM
Gawn
Witts
NN
Longer
Bellchambers
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on January 11, 2018, 02:43:31 PM
No fkn clue.

Rucks are going to be very important this year.

Agree on the first comment but not on the second.

my answer to the original question is who cares.

barring injury the obvious set up for me is NN Gawn, the fact people are struggling to come up with who is the number 1 option proves this.




Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Sabretooth Tigers on January 11, 2018, 10:13:48 PM
 ???

Gawn
Ryder
Kreuzer
Naitanui
The rest

This line doesn't really have a lot going against it ATM. The obvious and very popular combo of Gawn and Nicnat until one goes down, then the in form ruck at the time seems the most pain free way to go.

 ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on January 11, 2018, 10:34:40 PM
I'm not picking Gawn/Nicnat just to wait and see on others. I actually think they will be 2 of the top 4 along with Ryder and Kreuz so it's a no brainer to pick them
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on January 11, 2018, 10:54:31 PM
At the moment I am starting Gawn and Jacobs. Think Jacobs is slowly getting back to 2015 form and with the Crows being in contention this year and the inclusion of Gibbs can see him increasing his avearge,
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on January 11, 2018, 11:14:13 PM
At the moment I am starting Gawn and Jacobs. Think Jacobs is slowly getting back to 2015 form and with the Crows being in contention this year and the inclusion of Gibbs can see him increasing his avearge,

Very durable too having only missed 4 games in the past 6 seasons
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Grufflez on January 12, 2018, 03:05:09 PM
No fkn clue.

Rucks are going to be very important this year.

Agree on the first comment but not on the second.

my answer to the original question is who cares.

barring injury the obvious set up for me is NN Gawn, the fact people are struggling to come up with who is the number 1 option proves this.

You have a solid point here.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Peter on January 13, 2018, 06:31:25 AM
Gawn & NN and then to Kruezer once one gets injured
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on January 14, 2018, 06:49:08 AM
I’m fairly certain that Ryder will be the #1 ruck in SC but given his bye I will starting Gawn and NN like most.
Ryder, Gawn, Jacobs, Kreuzer, Stef... my top 5... will be interesting to revisit this thread at year’s end to see how far off I am.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Sabretooth Tigers on January 14, 2018, 07:50:34 PM
I'm not picking Gawn/Nicnat just to wait and see on others. I actually think they will be 2 of the top 4 along with Ryder and Kreuz so it's a no brainer to pick them

Sorry, didn't mean it the way it sounded. I don't think that both can get through 22 games. So when, or if the shower hits the fan, I'll pick up the in form alternative.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Huttabito on January 15, 2018, 10:51:46 AM
At the moment I am starting Gawn and Jacobs. Think Jacobs is slowly getting back to 2015 form and with the Crows being in contention this year and the inclusion of Gibbs can see him increasing his avearge,
He's certainly not the worse pick this year and needs to be strongly considered.

Would like to start Ryder but it's hard to fit him in with the Rd10 bye, especially with the lack of ruck cover.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: PassivePenguin on January 18, 2018, 11:27:30 PM
"His injury was a bigger injury than other ACLs (anterior cruciate ligament)," said leading Perth orthopaedic surgeon Peter Annear, who performed the operation to repair Naitanui's knee.

"When you rupture your ACL that is one part of the injury, but it is often the secondary injury.

"He had a big bone injury and that was very much why on the medical side of things we have gone slower with him."

"He certainly won't be, in the first half of the season, the player he was before the injury," said Dr Annear.

"We can wiggle his knee and say he is stable, his movement is good, his muscle is good," explained Dr Annear.

"But all those subtle, what we call 'proprioceptive-type' movements — where he feels where his knee is on the field — that will improve and still be improving. That takes (another) 12 months.

"If you talk to footy coaches it is a two-year recovery, so this first year back after an ACL they tend not to play as well, they tend to be improving out to their pre-injury level."

So with history as a guide, it will be a while until we see the 201-centimetre, 110-kilogram ruckman back to his best.

Naitanui looks to be a no go from here.

So the choices now are

Kreuzer - Gawn,
Kreuzer - Ryder or
Ryder - Gawn
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on January 19, 2018, 12:46:43 AM
Jacobs - Gawn for me

Ryder has the shower bye which means a donut or a wasted trade

Kruezer is a bit pricey for me, will consider him if there is plenty of cheap rookies out there
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on January 19, 2018, 04:51:07 AM
"His injury was a bigger injury than other ACLs (anterior cruciate ligament)," said leading Perth orthopaedic surgeon Peter Annear, who performed the operation to repair Naitanui's knee.

"When you rupture your ACL that is one part of the injury, but it is often the secondary injury.

"He had a big bone injury and that was very much why on the medical side of things we have gone slower with him."

"He certainly won't be, in the first half of the season, the player he was before the injury," said Dr Annear.

"We can wiggle his knee and say he is stable, his movement is good, his muscle is good," explained Dr Annear.

"But all those subtle, what we call 'proprioceptive-type' movements — where he feels where his knee is on the field — that will improve and still be improving. That takes (another) 12 months.

"If you talk to footy coaches it is a two-year recovery, so this first year back after an ACL they tend not to play as well, they tend to be improving out to their pre-injury level."

So with history as a guide, it will be a while until we see the 201-centimetre, 110-kilogram ruckman back to his best.

Naitanui looks to be a no go from here.

So the choices now are

Kreuzer - Gawn,
Kreuzer - Ryder or
Ryder - Gawn
That is a massive negative. Haven’t heard or read anything like that before.
I need to find some cash now for another option.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on January 19, 2018, 07:57:32 AM
Damn doctors should keep there mouths shut they already sprouted off about his knee being a degenerative problem last year and people were still picking him now this has come out any chance of a advantage gone now  :'(
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on January 19, 2018, 08:46:53 AM
It doesn't really put me off at all. If he plays he's  in my side because he will go 95+ even if he's only playing at 70%
The worry is him being rested
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on January 19, 2018, 08:48:20 AM
Damn doctors should keep there mouths shut they already sprouted off about his knee being a degenerative problem last year and people were still picking him now this has come out any chance of a advantage gone now  :'(
A lot of people will still pick him in my opinion. However, I won't be.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on January 19, 2018, 08:52:38 AM
As has always been the case, will monitor him in JLT. If hers through and plays Rd. 1 I'd find it hard not to pick him.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on January 19, 2018, 08:56:49 AM
What are peoples thoughts on Zac Smith as a pod???

He finished the year with scores of 133, 119, 80, 103, 103 and with GAJ coming into the side making Geelong have the strongest (or one of) midfields in the league he could improve his hit outs to advantage as well. Also has a nice bye.

I think he is as good a chance as any to be in the top 5 rucks come seasons end and he is slightly cheaper than Goldy/Jacobs etc.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on January 19, 2018, 08:58:32 AM
What are peoples thoughts on Zac Smith as a pod???

He finished the year with scores of 133, 119, 80, 103, 103 and with GAJ coming into the side making Geelong have the strongest (or one of) midfields in the league he could improve his hit outs to advantage as well. Also has a nice bye.

I think he is as good a chance as any to be in the top 5 rucks come seasons end and he is slightly cheaper than Goldy/Jacobs etc.
He's a possibility definitely. But I'm finding it hard to consider all these Geelong players due to their bye and also how feasible is it to have 10ish players in a side all go 95+.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on January 19, 2018, 09:01:17 AM
What are peoples thoughts on Zac Smith as a pod???

He finished the year with scores of 133, 119, 80, 103, 103 and with GAJ coming into the side making Geelong have the strongest (or one of) midfields in the league he could improve his hit outs to advantage as well. Also has a nice bye.

I think he is as good a chance as any to be in the top 5 rucks come seasons end and he is slightly cheaper than Goldy/Jacobs etc.
He's a possibility definitely. But I'm finding it hard to consider all these Geelong players due to their bye and also how feasible is it to have 10ish players in a side all go 95+.
Yeah that is true but in a ruckmans case wouldn'y having GAJ, Danger, Selwood and Duncan at your feet only help your points per game?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on January 19, 2018, 09:59:14 AM
I wouldn't wish injury upon anyone but boy it would be handy if Kreuzer was out for the year. Lobbe at $253,000 would be a steal
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on January 19, 2018, 10:42:18 AM
Beside Gawn the rucks are an absolute lottery.
I've just spent another 1-2 hours researching them some more and am none the wiser.
Kreuzer - 603k too expensive to start, should go well but injury risks in past and historically top rucks don't back up.
Ryder - second most expensive but R10 bye makes him hard to start, really want to start him as I think he'll be 110/ 2300pts.
Jacobs - solid, should be a real safe pick, play most games 100-105 / 2200pts
Martin - had a great 2017, but risk of missing games in the past, first ruck but Smith and McInerney on the up too. 95-100/ 2000pts
Gawn - locked. 105-110/ 2250-2350pts
Grundy - not at his price and with Cox in the team.
McEvoy - cheaper version of Jacobs. 100 ave/ 2000-2100pts
Goldy- who knows? Preuss is the future. Not for me. Could get anything from 30s-130s plus games missed.
Witts - could stagnate or improve further, speculative pick, worth considering but unsure on his present status.
Bellchambers - at his best he's great, too inconsistent and too many stinkers.
Z Smith - can make a case for him, could be anywhere from 1800- 2200pts if he has a good season. Buzza emerging type.
Nankervis- doesn't represent value to me.
Sandilands - 35 years old, Freo would be happy to get 15 games out of him. Darcy on the up.
Darcy - at price and with Sandi still about, can't entertain any thoughts of him.
Nic Nat - still have to consider, pre-season form and reports will determine his place in teams. Headache material with Vardy and Lycett too.
Longer - not enough high scores and too many stinkers, not a major winner of the ball, not a SC option.

I'm just going to keep NicNat in my team for the moment and watch how the pre season unfolds. Jacobs is probably my go to but I would need to find 60k for him. 100k if I get Ryder and cop the R10 doughnut.

The other option would be to start a rookie as R2 if one pops up with JS (e.g McInerney whois still a rookie  ;D ) and play an extra premo on one of the other lines. Pigs might fly but one can only hope.



Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on January 19, 2018, 11:00:55 AM
Damn doctors should keep there mouths shut they already sprouted off about his knee being a degenerative problem last year and people were still picking him now this has come out any chance of a advantage gone now  :'(
A lot of people will still pick him in my opinion. However, I won't be.

even with all this im mighty tempted to pick him up

Gawn is locked away at 503k pending any crazy thing happening.

Grundy at 534k  high 90s the last 2 years, a little worried about cox but i think low 100s playing 20+ games. He wont be a great pick but i doubt he will be a bad pick. Is he worth an extra 70k over NN, quite possibly as he seems a more solid option.96 average with 44/44 games played in the last 2 years is good for a ruck.

Goldy: Now this might be crazy and possibly very bias but surely goldy worth a look too. Im going to take away round 3 from his average as he would clearly not 100%.

So on that he played 18 games and put up a 97 average.

Preuss is obviously a big factor.

Goldy with Preuss: 105 96 88 32 92 = 83 average yes that is bad but thats largely due to the 32.
Goldy without Preuss: 87 77 111 107 135 89 103 128 91 100 129 62 122 = 103 average.

He is a risky option because of the preuss factor, but it is no secret that he was dealing with off field issues, had a limited preseason, got injured round 1. Even with all these issues he played 19 games and was within 8 points of the 2nd best ruck in the comp and within 3 points of the 3rd best ruck.

This also may conflict but if Goldy does lose his spot then Preuss at 347k is worth a look.

It may sound stupid but im rolling with Goldy Gawn at the moment. With all of Goldy's ups and downs in the last 5 years he is averaging 110 with 125/132 games played. even the last 2 years is 102 average with 40/44 games played. If he just replicates that i feel you will be happy in the rucks.



Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on January 19, 2018, 11:14:24 AM
Damn doctors should keep there mouths shut they already sprouted off about his knee being a degenerative problem last year and people were still picking him now this has come out any chance of a advantage gone now  :'(
A lot of people will still pick him in my opinion. However, I won't be.

even with all this im mighty tempted to pick him up

Gawn is locked away at 503k pending any crazy thing happening.

Grundy at 534k  high 90s the last 2 years, a little worried about cox but i think low 100s playing 20+ games. He wont be a great pick but i doubt he will be a bad pick. Is he worth an extra 70k over NN, quite possibly as he seems a more solid option.96 average with 44/44 games played in the last 2 years is good for a ruck.

Goldy: Now this might be crazy and possibly very bias but surely goldy worth a look too. Im going to take away round 3 from his average as he would clearly not 100%.

So on that he played 18 games and put up a 97 average.

Preuss is obviously a big factor.

Goldy with Preuss: 105 96 88 32 92 = 83 average yes that is bad but thats largely due to the 32.
Goldy without Preuss: 87 77 111 107 135 89 103 128 91 100 129 62 122 = 103 average.

He is a risky option because of the preuss factor, but it is no secret that he was dealing with off field issues, had a limited preseason, got injured round 1. Even with all these issues he played 19 games and was within 8 points of the 2nd best ruck in the comp and within 3 points of the 3rd best ruck.

This also may conflict but if Goldy does lose his spot then Preuss at 347k is worth a look.

It may sound stupid but im rolling with Goldy Gawn at the moment. With all of Goldy's ups and downs in the last 5 years he is averaging 110 with 125/132 games played. even the last 2 years is 102 average with 40/44 games played. If he just replicates that i feel you will be happy in the rucks.
That's biased crazy talk Holz. Agree it's risky. Agree about Gawn too.
Will be interesting to see what you do.

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on January 19, 2018, 12:26:47 PM
It may sound stupid but im rolling with Goldy Gawn at the moment. With all of Goldy's ups and downs in the last 5 years he is averaging 110 with 125/132 games played. even the last 2 years is 102 average with 40/44 games played. If he just replicates that i feel you will be happy in the rucks.
That's biased crazy talk Holz. Agree it's risky. Agree about Gawn too.
Will be interesting to see what you do.
You are very possibly right but to me there are no standout options. Im not paying up for Kreuz on one good year and then pretty much everyone else went around 95-100 last year. The preuss factor is real but even with Goldy's worst year in 5 years he was still a good R2 option.

Here is a question though, If Goldy is named round 1 with no preuss will anyone jump on board?

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Huttabito on January 19, 2018, 12:31:33 PM
Think I'm just going to lock in Jacobs/Gawn for now. If NicNat does fire up and smashes the end of pre-season, I'll probably free up some cash. Kruezer could still be an option for Jacobs, expensive, but helps the bye structure, will put up the points you pay for and if he does go down early can trade to anyone. Too hard to fit Ryder in with his bye and no real cover option.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on January 19, 2018, 01:03:49 PM
It may sound stupid but im rolling with Goldy Gawn at the moment. With all of Goldy's ups and downs in the last 5 years he is averaging 110 with 125/132 games played. even the last 2 years is 102 average with 40/44 games played. If he just replicates that i feel you will be happy in the rucks.
That's biased crazy talk Holz. Agree it's risky. Agree about Gawn too.
Will be interesting to see what you do.
You are very possibly right but to me there are no standout options. Im not paying up for Kreuz on one good year and then pretty much everyone else went around 95-100 last year. The preuss factor is real but even with Goldy's worst year in 5 years he was still a good R2 option.

Here is a question though, If Goldy is named round 1 with no preuss will anyone jump on board?
Don’t think I would because Preuss would still be a risk unless he had a LTI.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on January 19, 2018, 02:23:53 PM
Considering the rucks this year are a complete guess I am thinking Gawn/Smith. Has the best midfield in the comp under him so hit outs to advantage are going his way. Slightly cheaper than Sauce and Big Boy and has a good bye.

In saying that I will probably end up with Sauce.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on January 19, 2018, 04:37:08 PM
can someone find me the hit outs to advantage stat from 2017?

Had a bit of a look around and I can't find it but im sure one of you experts can.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on January 19, 2018, 04:39:45 PM
can someone find me the hit outs to advantage stat from 2017?

Had a bit of a look around and I can't find it but im sure one of you experts can.

Don't think it's a stat that's released to the general public
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on January 19, 2018, 04:42:30 PM
NicNat is a holder to see how the team looks.  Have a couple of others with Jacobs in at R1.    Also looking closely at Goldstein.   Big risk with Pruess factor though Goldy still capable of 115+ season. 
i just want to 2 x 22 games from my starting rucks and no stress.  Not a lot to ask?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on January 19, 2018, 04:46:28 PM
Think people are getting a bit spooked. Last footage I saw of nicnat he was running without his knee even strapped.
He was close to playing in the finals last year so he should be more than ready another 6 months on.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Grufflez on January 20, 2018, 07:57:52 PM
Think people are getting a bit spooked. Last footage I saw of nicnat he was running without his knee even strapped.
He was close to playing in the finals last year so he should be more than ready another 6 months on.

I think people are concerned with the caution WC are showing this early on.
Might indicate caution throughout the year meaning multiple rests or further decreased tog, WC will be cellar dwellers, they won't push Nic.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on January 23, 2018, 10:03:51 AM
Think people are getting a bit spooked. Last footage I saw of nicnat he was running without his knee even strapped.
He was close to playing in the finals last year so he should be more than ready another 6 months on.

I think people are concerned with the caution WC are showing this early on.
Might indicate caution throughout the year meaning multiple rests or further decreased tog, WC will be cellar dwellers, they won't push Nic.
True, but then again, if he plays Rd.1 he will be hard to not pick imo.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on January 26, 2018, 04:36:29 PM
Cegs is to Big Boy, what Preuss is to Goldy.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: sammy123 on January 26, 2018, 09:02:24 PM
Gawn at that price is a steal  and jacobs being the sole ruckman and crows mids being dominant last yr. Can see him having another huge yr
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Grufflez on January 27, 2018, 05:46:04 AM
So far i haven't seen a single team of any forum willing to Back Kreuzer in.
Can't say that i blame them but should he happen to continue his form and stay uninjured
he would be a massive POD while having a good bye round. Just saying  :P
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on January 27, 2018, 07:31:11 AM
So far i haven't seen a single team of any forum willing to Back Kreuzer in.
Can't say that i blame them but should he happen to continue his form and stay uninjured
he would be a massive POD while having a good bye round. Just saying  :P
Probably just his price putting people off read yesterday he is having a very good preseason you will probably see him appear in more teams when rookies and cheapies become clearer and if people can afford him
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Grufflez on January 27, 2018, 07:43:49 AM
So far i haven't seen a single team of any forum willing to Back Kreuzer in.
Can't say that i blame them but should he happen to continue his form and stay uninjured
he would be a massive POD while having a good bye round. Just saying  :P
Probably just his price putting people off read yesterday he is having a very good preseason you will probably see him appear in more teams when rookies and cheapies become clearer and if people can afford him

Quite possibly.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: js19 on January 27, 2018, 08:22:15 AM
So far i haven't seen a single team of any forum willing to Back Kreuzer in.
Can't say that i blame them but should he happen to continue his form and stay uninjured
he would be a massive POD while having a good bye round. Just saying  :P
Probably just his price putting people off read yesterday he is having a very good preseason you will probably see him appear in more teams when rookies and cheapies become clearer and if people can afford him
This for me. I've got Kelly and NN currently, but Conigs and Kreuz is an option
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Peter on January 27, 2018, 04:14:13 PM
I have Kruezer in RDT and AF as I believe better scorer and better bye for team balance. Have Jacobs in SC for the same reason over NN, for his good value and history. Will take a massive reason to switch to NN, unless money is needed
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on January 27, 2018, 04:34:57 PM
Wouldn't even consider Kreuzer at that price. People concerned about nicnat missing games, surely you wouldn't go near Kreuzer whos missed loads more footy over the years
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on January 27, 2018, 04:53:01 PM
You are right Q he has missed many games over the years , he has played two 21 game seasons on the trot but out of the blue he scored very well last year maybe a late bloomer ?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on January 27, 2018, 04:57:54 PM
You are right Q he has missed many games over the years , he has played two 21 game seasons on the trot but out of the blue he scored very well last year maybe a late bloomer ?

Yeah certainly promising that he's played 21 games 2 years running but I couldn't justify the price tag. Would be a huge pod if he backs it up though and plays all year
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on January 27, 2018, 04:59:59 PM
Andrew Phillips had a stress reaction in his foot in the lead-up to Rd 1 last year which put him behind the eight ball for senior selection, but he played 16 games alongside Kreuz in 2016 which is why Matty scored like shower that year.

Phillips is fully fit now but you'd think that Bolton has probably worked out that Kreuz is a lot more effective when he's allowed to be the workhorse, but it's something to be wary of.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on January 27, 2018, 05:05:49 PM
Andrew Phillips had a stress reaction in his foot in the lead-up to Rd 1 last year which put him behind the eight ball for senior selection, but he played 16 games alongside Kreuz in 2016 which is why Matty scored like shower that year.

Phillips is fully fit now but you'd think that Bolton has probably worked out that Kreuz is a lot more effective when he's allowed to be the workhorse, but it's something to be wary of.
Handy info mate did not know that watch and wait maybe , the rucks are looking like a very important part of this years competition more so than usual with little D/P 's and backups
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on January 27, 2018, 05:18:58 PM
Does anyone think Pedo could impact Gawns scoring?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on January 27, 2018, 05:27:05 PM
Does anyone think Pedo could impact Gawns scoring?
He did not really get a look in 2016 when Gawn was firing and last year when Gawn was injured then come back he was still really used more fwd , think you just have ignore Gawn's last year and hope it goes back to 2016
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on January 27, 2018, 05:33:41 PM
Andrew Phillips had a stress reaction in his foot in the lead-up to Rd 1 last year which put him behind the eight ball for senior selection, but he played 16 games alongside Kreuz in 2016 which is why Matty scored like shower that year.

Phillips is fully fit now but you'd think that Bolton has probably worked out that Kreuz is a lot more effective when he's allowed to be the workhorse, but it's something to be wary of.
Handy info mate did not know that watch and wait maybe , the rucks are looking like a very important part of this years competition more so than usual with little D/P 's and backups

Or perhaps after playing 16, 1 and 13 games in the previous three seasons, his body couldn't handle a full season as the sole ruck which is why he played in tandem with Phillips, and those 21 games set him up for a career best season in 2017.

This is why I wouldn't be surprised if a bloke like Billy Longer was a top 4 ruck at seasons end. Former pick #8 so clearly has the talent, his last two pre-seasons have been destroyed by injury (had a shoulder reco in 2016 and then battled concussion) but he managed to string together 17 games in a row this year and showed what he could do.

Zac Smith is another one. 16, 8, 10 and 11 games before playing 21 in 2016. That set him up for a breakout 2017. One season of continuity cannot be underestimated for injury prone players.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on January 27, 2018, 05:42:50 PM
Andrew Phillips had a stress reaction in his foot in the lead-up to Rd 1 last year which put him behind the eight ball for senior selection, but he played 16 games alongside Kreuz in 2016 which is why Matty scored like shower that year.

Phillips is fully fit now but you'd think that Bolton has probably worked out that Kreuz is a lot more effective when he's allowed to be the workhorse, but it's something to be wary of.
Handy info mate did not know that watch and wait maybe , the rucks are looking like a very important part of this years competition more so than usual with little D/P 's and backups

Or perhaps after playing 16, 1 and 13 games in the previous three seasons, his body couldn't handle a full season as the sole ruck which is why he played in tandem with Phillips, and those 21 games set him up for a career best season in 2017.

This is why I wouldn't be surprised if a bloke like Billy Longer was a top 4 ruck at seasons end. Former pick #8 so clearly has the talent, his last two pre-seasons have been destroyed by injury (had a shoulder reco in 2016 and then battled concussion) but he managed to string together 17 games in a row this year and showed what he could do.

Zac Smith is another one. 16, 8, 10 and 11 games before playing 21 in 2016. That set him up for a breakout 2017. One season of continuity cannot be underestimated for injury prone players.
Zac Smith is another but Longer as well now you are freaking me out the rucks are hard enough as is ..... hit default button  :)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on January 27, 2018, 05:58:29 PM
Just looking at Longers scores from last year and he has a 48 hit out game that he scored 25 in  :o how is that even possible
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on January 27, 2018, 06:00:30 PM
48 to the opposition?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Fid on January 27, 2018, 06:38:28 PM
Zac Smith not listed as an option?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on January 27, 2018, 06:47:03 PM
48 to the opposition?

Must have just about been! That's impressive haha
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Grufflez on January 28, 2018, 05:13:04 AM
Zac Smith not listed as an option?

I am not going to lie, it has crossed my mind after seeing his interview where he said
the couches have him working on his marking and around the ground stuff.

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on January 28, 2018, 09:51:33 AM
Zac Smith not listed as an option?
Should be, easily as good a chance as NicNat
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: GoLions on January 28, 2018, 11:22:57 AM
We Can then trade to Ryder who has went down a little bit in value while maintaing his 105 average for cover over the byes.

Wouldn't mind swapping NN too Paddy after he was went down a bit. He should be the dominate ruckman after there bye.
Hahahahahaha
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: GoLions on January 28, 2018, 11:23:39 AM
Very tempted to go NN to Sauce, don't want to have to waste trades on injured rucks again this year...
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 30, 2018, 06:25:57 PM
Well we're heading into Feb and recent reports suggest NN isn't training with the main group and doesn't look 100%

Like most, I've had Gawn and NN locked but I need to remind myself of my number 1 rule which is, regardless of price, potential etc don't start players who have had an interrupted preseason, so for that reason to my own surprise I think I might need to move on from NN  :'(

Ryder seems like the best replacement

EDIT: On second thoughts his bye isn't ideal, and he's probably priced at max value too

Hmmm, R2 is going to be hard to pick. Sauce is durable, but the idea of picking him just bores me lol
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on January 30, 2018, 06:52:36 PM
Well we're heading into Feb and recent reports suggest NN isn't training with the main group and doesn't look 100%

Like most, I've had Gawn and NN locked but I need to remind myself of my number 1 rule which is, regardless of price, potential etc don't start players who have had an interrupted preseason, so for that reason to my own surprise I think I might need to move on from NN  :'(

Ryder seems like the best replacement

EDIT: On second thoughts his bye isn't ideal, and he's probably priced at max value too

Hmmm, R2 is going to be hard to pick. Sauce is durable, but the idea of picking him just bores me lol

Also remember Ryder is pretty much a guaranteed donut unless some magic ruck cover appears
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on January 30, 2018, 07:01:51 PM
Not a lot of love for Stefan. Apart from the fact that Archie kills him late in the season he has been the best performed ruck besides Goldy over the past four seasons.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Southstorm on January 30, 2018, 07:14:26 PM
Well we're heading into Feb and recent reports suggest NN isn't training with the main group and doesn't look 100%

Like most, I've had Gawn and NN locked but I need to remind myself of my number 1 rule which is, regardless of price, potential etc don't start players who have had an interrupted preseason, so for that reason to my own surprise I think I might need to move on from NN  :'(

Ryder seems like the best replacement

EDIT: On second thoughts his bye isn't ideal, and he's probably priced at max value too

Hmmm, R2 is going to be hard to pick. Sauce is durable, but the idea of picking him just bores me lol
Most here will be in the same boat; looks like the Gawn/NN combo was too good to be true.

I'm weighing up whether I have the stones to take the 0 in Round 10 with Ryder, shell out big for Kreuze, or risk fielding a ruck that's 5-10ppg lower for the whole season. Jacobs/Goldy/Martin will probably be around the 95 mark again.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on January 30, 2018, 07:20:54 PM
poor old Sandilands, on the scrap heap. a staple for the last decade, or more.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on January 30, 2018, 07:36:29 PM
Well we're heading into Feb and recent reports suggest NN isn't training with the main group and doesn't look 100%

Like most, I've had Gawn and NN locked but I need to remind myself of my number 1 rule which is, regardless of price, potential etc don't start players who have had an interrupted preseason, so for that reason to my own surprise I think I might need to move on from NN  :'(

Ryder seems like the best replacement

EDIT: On second thoughts his bye isn't ideal, and he's probably priced at max value too

Hmmm, R2 is going to be hard to pick. Sauce is durable, but the idea of picking him just bores me lol
Most here will be in the same boat; looks like the Gawn/NN combo was too good to be true.

I'm weighing up whether I have the stones to take the 0 in Round 10 with Ryder, shell out big for Kreuze, or risk fielding a ruck that's 5-10ppg lower for the whole season. Jacobs/Goldy/Martin will probably be around the 95 mark again.
I'm pretty sure I'm going to go Ryder it is nearly 1/2 way into season before his bye I thinking or hoping the extra points he is capable of getting offset it a bit plus he is then available for all the other byes and who knows what turns up before or during the season ruck wise , it's either him or the Kruz to go with Gawn
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on January 30, 2018, 08:33:14 PM
Well we're heading into Feb and recent reports suggest NN isn't training with the main group and doesn't look 100%

Like most, I've had Gawn and NN locked but I need to remind myself of my number 1 rule which is, regardless of price, potential etc don't start players who have had an interrupted preseason, so for that reason to my own surprise I think I might need to move on from NN  :'(

Ryder seems like the best replacement

EDIT: On second thoughts his bye isn't ideal, and he's probably priced at max value too

Hmmm, R2 is going to be hard to pick. Sauce is durable, but the idea of picking him just bores me lol
Most here will be in the same boat; looks like the Gawn/NN combo was too good to be true.

I'm weighing up whether I have the stones to take the 0 in Round 10 with Ryder, shell out big for Kreuze, or risk fielding a ruck that's 5-10ppg lower for the whole season. Jacobs/Goldy/Martin will probably be around the 95 mark again.
I'm pretty sure I'm going to go Ryder it is nearly 1/2 way into season before his bye I thinking or hoping the extra points he is capable of getting offset it a bit plus he is then available for all the other byes and who knows what turns up before or during the season ruck wise , it's either him or the Kruz to go with Gawn
jacobs and goldy are both viable options.    I think goldy is still capable of pumping out consistent 100+ scores.   ? is the Preuss juice.   If I cannot find a likely r3 starter then jacobs,  mind you I am considering Goldy as a POD option.    I do remember cringing and crying last year as Preuss screwed us over.   Just a glutton for punishment.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on January 30, 2018, 10:09:14 PM
Not a lot of love for Stefan. Apart from the fact that Archie kills him late in the season he has been the best performed ruck besides Goldy over the past four seasons.
Can understand - Archie has said he wants to be in side as No 1 ruck this season as his goal and we will probably want to get some games into McInerney as well given Stefs age.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on January 30, 2018, 10:11:17 PM
Well we're heading into Feb and recent reports suggest NN isn't training with the main group and doesn't look 100%

Like most, I've had Gawn and NN locked but I need to remind myself of my number 1 rule which is, regardless of price, potential etc don't start players who have had an interrupted preseason, so for that reason to my own surprise I think I might need to move on from NN  :'(

Ryder seems like the best replacement

EDIT: On second thoughts his bye isn't ideal, and he's probably priced at max value too

Hmmm, R2 is going to be hard to pick. Sauce is durable, but the idea of picking him just bores me lol
Most here will be in the same boat; looks like the Gawn/NN combo was too good to be true.

I'm weighing up whether I have the stones to take the 0 in Round 10 with Ryder, shell out big for Kreuze, or risk fielding a ruck that's 5-10ppg lower for the whole season. Jacobs/Goldy/Martin will probably be around the 95 mark again.
I'm pretty sure I'm going to go Ryder it is nearly 1/2 way into season before his bye I thinking or hoping the extra points he is capable of getting offset it a bit plus he is then available for all the other byes and who knows what turns up before or during the season ruck wise , it's either him or the Kruz to go with Gawn
jacobs and goldy are both viable options.    I think goldy is still capable of pumping out consistent 100+ scores.   ? is the Preuss juice.   If I cannot find a likely r3 starter then jacobs,  mind you I am considering Goldy as a POD option.    I do remember cringing and crying last year as Preuss screwed us over.   Just a glutton for punishment.

And for all that angst, he still went 95. has a better history than Gawn.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on January 31, 2018, 11:50:23 AM
Love to pick TBC but he and Berger played half a season each last year. One poor game or a hint of "general soreness" and he gets a rest again. Same problem with Berger.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on January 31, 2018, 12:03:52 PM
really dont like any other rucks besides Gawn.

i really think if anyone under 200k gets named i might consider them at R2.

Coleman Jones
Balta
Hayes
Crossley
Cameron
McInnerny
English

one of them might be an outside shot at getting some games.

At this stage reluctantly have Goldy
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Grufflez on January 31, 2018, 01:12:17 PM
poor old Sandilands, on the scrap heap. a staple for the last decade, or more.

I don't like to wish injuries on anyone but...if he should be struck down by turf toe,
Welcome to R2 Mr Darcy.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Grufflez on January 31, 2018, 01:16:13 PM
I am so unsure of Rucks i have considered Z.Smith or Buzza at R2
The latter would be a hail Mary move.

I don't even trust Gawn!
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2018, 02:47:54 PM
Considering this is the first year we haven't had ANY decent F/R options to put in the forward line for cover, there's every chance we're all going to have to burn a trade or two on rucks at some point, so if a cheapo does come up like Holz I might be tempted to just start them, knowing that I will be using a couple of trades on rucks this year as opposed to previous years, and then just bolstering other lines
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on January 31, 2018, 03:13:08 PM
Considering this is the first year we haven't had ANY decent F/R options to put in the forward line for cover, there's every chance we're all going to have to burn a trade or two on rucks at some point, so if a cheapo does come up like Holz I might be tempted to just start them, knowing that I will be using a couple of trades on rucks this year as opposed to previous years, and then just bolstering other lines
That's what I'm thinking if I start Ryder just trade in a ruck that is going to make some cash for a couple of weeks when his bye comes up will take a bit extra planning but no biggie  ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on January 31, 2018, 04:24:43 PM
I had also thought of using Pedersen at R/f with a rookie R/F at R3 in case Gawn went down but at $471k a little much for such a vast variation in scoring.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Spite on January 31, 2018, 04:27:53 PM
Considering this is the first year we haven't had ANY decent F/R options to put in the forward line for cover, there's every chance we're all going to have to burn a trade or two on rucks at some point, so if a cheapo does come up like Holz I might be tempted to just start them, knowing that I will be using a couple of trades on rucks this year as opposed to previous years, and then just bolstering other lines

Ugh so like start with Hampson and upgrade to Ryder after his bye/  :-\
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on January 31, 2018, 04:28:13 PM
I had also thought of using Pedersen at R/f with a rookie R/F at R3 in case Gawn went down but at $471k a little much for such a vast variation in scoring.

Yeah I think I'll keep a DPP rookie at R3 just in case someone like Pedo/Cox/Stanley pull a 90+ average out of their arse
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on January 31, 2018, 04:33:07 PM
Pedersen can score well but what about his JS? No guarantee to stay with McDonald,Gawn and Hogan all fit. Another option is Lycett. Much cheaper is a better forward than Vardy,JJK underdone. But again JS issues,although I've read hes training well and looking great. I'll try to find  where I read that...
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on January 31, 2018, 04:49:07 PM
Lycett a Ruck only but could be a handy R3 at $277k if going with Nat.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on January 31, 2018, 04:59:27 PM
Pedersen can score well but what about his JS? No guarantee to stay with McDonald,Gawn and Hogan all fit. Another option is Lycett. Much cheaper is a better forward than Vardy,JJK underdone. But again JS issues,although I've read hes training well and looking great. I'll try to find  where I read that...

Lycett and Vardy will be tough to split

Lycett showed he could regularly ton up with NN in the team, it was just the consistency that was the problem, somehow scored 2 from a full game haha
He still managed to average 83 from 20 games
For the record he missed once from a normal suspension and once for a club suspension for being a dick.

Vardy did everything Simmo asked of him last year so he has plenty of credits in the bank

Both have their own positives, Lycett a workhorse, allows NN to really be a burst player, Vardy very athletic, could pair well with NN

A concern is if they get to the point were its hard to spilt it could be a week to week prospect. Lycett plays against the beasts, Vardy when its the smaller or mobile rucks.

But despite these concerns if Lycett gets to round one and looks the clear winner he might be worth a sneaky look at R2 at only 277k, would allow you a few rounds to gauge the rucks and could easily make you a nice 130-150k

Just wish they were DPP :(
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2018, 05:33:22 PM
While undoubtedly said tongue in cheek, Gawn has no doubt he’s ready to return to his 2016 SuperCoach form.

Asked if he was worth picking in 2018, the Demons big man was unequivocal.

“I think it’s a no brainer,” he joked on RSN.

 ;D
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on January 31, 2018, 09:22:37 PM
Lycett a Ruck only but could be a handy R3 at $277k if going with Nat.
I'm thinking R2 if anything. NN + Lycett is about 750k. 200 k more than Sauce/Ryder. Need that cash elsewhere imo.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: js19 on January 31, 2018, 11:09:46 PM
Lycett a Ruck only but could be a handy R3 at $277k if going with Nat.
I'm thinking R2 if anything. NN + Lycett is about 750k. 200 k more than Sauce/Ryder. Need that cash elsewhere imo.

You still need to add an R3 to that scenario though, so the actual cost difference isn't THAT big, with an extra 102K...
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 02, 2018, 03:22:13 PM
I've been looking closer at the ruck situation, and besides Gawn I just don't know which other ruck to pick. My gut feel doesn't like starting any of them

So, I've decided to play around with the idea of starting a cheap ruck at R2. Someone who might only score 60-80 most weeks

The benefit of this is two fold - it gives me time to see who is looking like the best ruck for the year, and it also allows me have a really strong def, mid and forward line

At the moment I'm looking at Lycett due to his discounted price, but ultimately I won't care too much. As long as they are under 400k (the cheaper the better) and have solid JS I actually think this could work this year
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on February 02, 2018, 03:25:32 PM
I've been looking closer at the ruck situation, and besides Gawn I just don't know which other ruck to pick. My gut feel doesn't like starting any of them

So, I've decided to play around with the idea of starting a cheap ruck at R2. Someone who might only score 60-80 most weeks

The benefit of this is two fold - it gives me time to see who is looking like the best ruck for the year, and it also allows me have a really strong def, mid and forward line

At the moment I'm looking at Lycett due to his discounted price, but ultimately I won't care too much. As long as they are under 400k (the cheaper the better) and have solid JS I actually think this could work this year
Something I have looked at doing as well. However, I can't find any at all with decent job security.

Hampson, Lycett, Cox and Boyd are the ones that look like having a decent chance of playing 20+ games this season.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on February 02, 2018, 03:45:54 PM
I've got Lycett as R2 atm. If he can play 9 or so games and make cash could become Ryder come round 11. If Cameron/Pittonet get a run there's back up as well.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on February 02, 2018, 04:06:41 PM
Lycett and Dahlhous looks just as good as Smith and Christensen in my eyes.

Gives me something to think about definitely.

However would need to have really good job security for me to even consider this approach.

Vardy, Lycett and Nic Nat cant all play so I wonder who will go.

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 03, 2018, 12:42:51 AM
Just need the cheap ruck to play the first 6-8 games of the season, and by then we should know who the top rucks are and make the upgrade

Lycett/Vardy, Naismith, any of the Dogs Rough/Campbell/Boyd etc
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: iZander on February 03, 2018, 12:55:35 AM
Just need the cheap ruck to play the first 6-8 games of the season, and by then we should know who the top rucks are and make the upgrade

Lycett/Vardy, Naismith, any of the Dogs Rough/Campbell/Boyd etc
Personaly id go roughy, but all really good options imo
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Southstorm on February 03, 2018, 01:08:14 AM
There's no clear #2 out of Vardy and Slyce so I'm worried that Simmo will swap them around game after game for the start of the season if NN debuts early and commands the number 1 spot. Slyce is the better ruck but Vardy is the better forward. Wouldn't have the balls to pick either of them unless NN was confirmed to be out until mid year.

The best value ruck this year isn't actually a ruck! Go figure.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: js19 on February 03, 2018, 01:27:23 AM
Any Swans folk know how Darcy Cameron is looking for an early debut? Could be very helpful...
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on February 03, 2018, 03:06:42 AM
Jon Ceglar has to be your man if going down the mid-priced route.

2014: 76.6
2015: 71.8
2016: 69.2 (70.8 uninjured)
2017: ACL

Priced at 48.5. Big Boy had his best season in Hawks colours playing as the sole ruck so he's no guarantee for Rd 1, but Clarko does like a second ruck playing the 'Hale' role, which Cegs had been playing to perfection before the injury (and what Vickery was meant to do last year in his absence).

Personally, I think he's probably fighting for a spot with O'Brien, with the latter likely winning out for the extra mobility. But if he's named for Rd 1 then he might be worth the punt. Chuck Pittonet on the bench as insurance.

Otherwise why not just pick Vardy and Lycett? It would cost roughly the same as Sauce and a 117k ruck so you won't be saving any cash but it does allows you to have a look at the top performing rucks. One is guaranteed to play every week.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 03, 2018, 09:06:30 AM
Ceglar is definitely on the radar

Anyone priced under 400k is really

No point getting both Lycett/Vardy. The point of this strategy is that is frees up the money to get all other lines really solid. That's the focus here, not having ruck cover

This is the first year we don't have any decent rucks that can play in the forwards to provide cover, so for that reason we are all going to need to burn a couple of trades in the rucks this year unless you're blessed to start 2 rucks who don't miss a game all year so for that reason that's why I am looking to adopt this strategy. We're going to use a trade or too anyway, so might as well start a cheap ruck because the odds of set and forget working this year are extremely low
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 03, 2018, 12:24:35 PM
Ceglar is definitely on the radar

Anyone priced under 400k is really

No point getting both Lycett/Vardy. The point of this strategy is that is frees up the money to get all other lines really solid. That's the focus here, not having ruck cover

This is the first year we don't have any decent rucks that can play in the forwards to provide cover, so for that reason we are all going to need to burn a couple of trades in the rucks this year unless you're blessed to start 2 rucks who don't miss a game all year so for that reason that's why I am looking to adopt this strategy. We're going to use a trade or too anyway, so might as well start a cheap ruck because the odds of set and forget working this year are extremely low
I reckon this is the year for set and forget are you really thinking about starting Lycett Vardy or Ceglar for R2 ? seems to me if Nic Nat plays but is looking like being rested then surely Lycett or Vardy won't play when he does so you are in the same boat may as well start Nic Nat same with Ceglar if the coach decides to go with one ruck every now and then all for 150 - 200K into another line , what you gain in points in one line you lose for having a lesser ruck who might not play all the time ?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Southstorm on February 03, 2018, 12:43:46 PM
There's a ruckman who's a smokey to start R1, very questionable JS, but he's priced at low 50's and should be good for 80's. Has tonned up before when rucking solo, if they confine Lobb to more of a forward role.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on February 03, 2018, 12:46:37 PM
Naismith, Sinkers and Cammo is on the cards. Two of them three will have to play every week surely.

And as soon as I write this, I remember Allir  Allir, Lol
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: tmac16 on February 03, 2018, 01:07:21 PM
There's a ruckman who's a smokey to start R1, very questionable JS, but he's priced at low 50's and should be good for 80's. Has tonned up before when rucking solo, if they confine Lobb to more of a forward role.

why would you suggest low JS, he's played 40 games ..... over 10 years
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 03, 2018, 02:35:12 PM
I reckon this is the year for set and forget are you really thinking about starting Lycett Vardy or Ceglar for R2 ? seems to me if Nic Nat plays but is looking like being rested then surely Lycett or Vardy won't play when he does so you are in the same boat may as well start Nic Nat same with Ceglar if the coach decides to go with one ruck every now and then all for 150 - 200K into another line , what you gain in points in one line you lose for having a lesser ruck who might not play all the time ?

Ceglar was best 22 and if he returns Rd1 then I would expect that to still be the case

Roughead is also an option who is best 22

Lycett/Vardy is risky yes, but again it's no so much making a call on the exact player right now because there's still so long to go before we see who is playing etc, but the discussion is more so about the theory of adopting this strategy and I think I will be doing it this year, hopefully as a POD
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gandalf123 on February 03, 2018, 03:26:09 PM
Naismith, Sinkers and Cammo is on the cards. Two of them three will have to play every week surely.

And as soon as I write this, I remember Allir  Allir, Lol
Don't think we will roll with 2 of those 3, think it will be naismith with Reid pinch hitting, too big of a side and slow if we roll with 2 rucks
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on February 03, 2018, 05:26:19 PM
Naismith, Sinkers and Cammo is on the cards. Two of them three will have to play every week surely.

And as soon as I write this, I remember Allir  Allir, Lol
Don't think we will roll with 2 of those 3, think it will be naismith with Reid pinch hitting, too big of a side and slow if we roll with 2 rucks

Interesting, Gee Reid would need to lift, just going on last years numbers. 22 games 36 hitouts in total.  :o
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 03, 2018, 06:06:03 PM
I reckon this is the year for set and forget are you really thinking about starting Lycett Vardy or Ceglar for R2 ? seems to me if Nic Nat plays but is looking like being rested then surely Lycett or Vardy won't play when he does so you are in the same boat may as well start Nic Nat same with Ceglar if the coach decides to go with one ruck every now and then all for 150 - 200K into another line , what you gain in points in one line you lose for having a lesser ruck who might not play all the time ?

Ceglar was best 22 and if he returns Rd1 then I would expect that to still be the case

Roughead is also an option who is best 22

Lycett/Vardy is risky yes, but again it's no so much making a call on the exact player right now because there's still so long to go before we see who is playing etc, but the discussion is more so about the theory of adopting this strategy and I think I will be doing it this year, hopefully as a POD
Ceglar avg. 69.2 his last year you really want a R2 that avg's 70 ?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on February 03, 2018, 06:11:05 PM
I reckon this is the year for set and forget are you really thinking about starting Lycett Vardy or Ceglar for R2 ? seems to me if Nic Nat plays but is looking like being rested then surely Lycett or Vardy won't play when he does so you are in the same boat may as well start Nic Nat same with Ceglar if the coach decides to go with one ruck every now and then all for 150 - 200K into another line , what you gain in points in one line you lose for having a lesser ruck who might not play all the time ?

Ceglar was best 22 and if he returns Rd1 then I would expect that to still be the case

Roughead is also an option who is best 22

Lycett/Vardy is risky yes, but again it's no so much making a call on the exact player right now because there's still so long to go before we see who is playing etc, but the discussion is more so about the theory of adopting this strategy and I think I will be doing it this year, hopefully as a POD
Ceglar avg. 69.2 last year you really want a R2 that avg's 70 ?

Does it matter?

If your R2 is cheap and avg's 70 that means your D4/M6/F4 averages higher
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Levi434 on February 03, 2018, 06:55:26 PM
WXVW Vacant Coaching Position!

This teams has two of the top rucks in the WXVW comp!

We only need one more coach! The sooner someone signs up the better the comp will be! The season is very short and will be done by the time AFL kicks off so it's fun!

The team list is as follows:
1. Emma King (R)
2. Sabrina Frederick-Traub (F/R)
3. Ebony Marinoff (M)
4. Bianca Jakobsson (F)
5. Nicole Hildebrand (B)
6. Caitlyn Edwards (B)
7. Tiah Haynes (M)
8. Bree White (M/F)
9. Hannah Scott (M)
10. Melissa Caulfield (F/M)
11. Jasmine Garner (F)
12. Penny Cula-Reid (B)
13. Britt Tully (M)
14. Sarah Last (B)
15. Demi Okley (M/F)
16. Katherine Smith (M)
17. Tayla Bresland (B)
18. Jess Gardner (F/B)
19. Katie Loynes (M)
20. Selina Goodman (M)
21. Ruby Schleicher (R)
22. Melissa Kuys (M)
23. Nat Exon (M)
24. Kendra Heil (M/F)
25. Caitlin Collins (B)
26. Sophie Casey (F)
27. Rebecca Neaves (M)

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Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 03, 2018, 07:03:20 PM
Wrong board  ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: iZander on February 03, 2018, 07:16:24 PM
I reckon this is the year for set and forget are you really thinking about starting Lycett Vardy or Ceglar for R2 ? seems to me if Nic Nat plays but is looking like being rested then surely Lycett or Vardy won't play when he does so you are in the same boat may as well start Nic Nat same with Ceglar if the coach decides to go with one ruck every now and then all for 150 - 200K into another line , what you gain in points in one line you lose for having a lesser ruck who might not play all the time ?

Ceglar was best 22 and if he returns Rd1 then I would expect that to still be the case

Roughead is also an option who is best 22

Lycett/Vardy is risky yes, but again it's no so much making a call on the exact player right now because there's still so long to go before we see who is playing etc, but the discussion is more so about the theory of adopting this strategy and I think I will be doing it this year, hopefully as a POD
Ceglar avg. 69.2 last year you really want a R2 that avg's 70 ?

Does it matter?

If your R2 is cheap and avg's 70 that means your D4/M6/F4 averages higher
Yes.
There are heaps of players in the D/M/F who cheap and COULD premos, much better taking a risk on one of those than getting a guy you know wont go very big just to get "better" in those positions

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 03, 2018, 07:27:35 PM
I reckon this is the year for set and forget are you really thinking about starting Lycett Vardy or Ceglar for R2 ? seems to me if Nic Nat plays but is looking like being rested then surely Lycett or Vardy won't play when he does so you are in the same boat may as well start Nic Nat same with Ceglar if the coach decides to go with one ruck every now and then all for 150 - 200K into another line , what you gain in points in one line you lose for having a lesser ruck who might not play all the time ?

Ceglar was best 22 and if he returns Rd1 then I would expect that to still be the case

Roughead is also an option who is best 22

Lycett/Vardy is risky yes, but again it's no so much making a call on the exact player right now because there's still so long to go before we see who is playing etc, but the discussion is more so about the theory of adopting this strategy and I think I will be doing it this year, hopefully as a POD
Ceglar avg. 69.2 last year you really want a R2 that avg's 70 ?

Does it matter?

If your R2 is cheap and avg's 70 that means your D4/M6/F4 averages higher
Yes.
There are heaps of players in the D/M/F who cheap and COULD premos, much better taking a risk on one of those than getting a guy you know wont go very big just to get "better" in those positions


My thinking as well you only get 2 Rucks why would you choose a spud with one of your picks
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: js19 on February 03, 2018, 10:51:33 PM
I reckon this is the year for set and forget are you really thinking about starting Lycett Vardy or Ceglar for R2 ? seems to me if Nic Nat plays but is looking like being rested then surely Lycett or Vardy won't play when he does so you are in the same boat may as well start Nic Nat same with Ceglar if the coach decides to go with one ruck every now and then all for 150 - 200K into another line , what you gain in points in one line you lose for having a lesser ruck who might not play all the time ?

Ceglar was best 22 and if he returns Rd1 then I would expect that to still be the case

Roughead is also an option who is best 22

Lycett/Vardy is risky yes, but again it's no so much making a call on the exact player right now because there's still so long to go before we see who is playing etc, but the discussion is more so about the theory of adopting this strategy and I think I will be doing it this year, hopefully as a POD
Ceglar avg. 69.2 last year you really want a R2 that avg's 70 ?

Does it matter?

If your R2 is cheap and avg's 70 that means your D4/M6/F4 averages higher
Yes.
There are heaps of players in the D/M/F who cheap and COULD premos, much better taking a risk on one of those than getting a guy you know wont go very big just to get "better" in those positions


My thinking as well you only get 2 Rucks why would you choose a spud with one of your picks

+1

Sandy last year was a fallen prem, and that played out ok, but hoping a spud finally matures is much more risky imo
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 04, 2018, 01:49:05 AM
I'm actually considering Goldy. He had a terrible year and still averaged 94.8

I think this year will be a year that teams go with 1 ruck and as long as he stays ahead of Preuss he will average 100+
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: js19 on February 04, 2018, 02:09:00 AM
I'm actually considering Goldy. He had a terrible year and still averaged 94.8

I think this year will be a year that teams go with 1 ruck and as long as he stays ahead of Preuss he will average 100+

Has history on his side, but Preuss was impressive when he played, which spells potential trouble. If one ruck only could be guaranteed, then I'd jump on Goldy myself
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 04, 2018, 03:27:08 AM
I'm actually considering Goldy. He had a terrible year and still averaged 94.8

I think this year will be a year that teams go with 1 ruck and as long as he stays ahead of Preuss he will average 100+

Has history on his side, but Preuss was impressive when he played, which spells potential trouble. If one ruck only could be guaranteed, then I'd jump on Goldy myself

Yeah would have to be named alone for me to go with him. Crazy to think that they could go with Preuss over such a dominant ruckman
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: js19 on February 04, 2018, 04:17:19 AM
I'm actually considering Goldy. He had a terrible year and still averaged 94.8

I think this year will be a year that teams go with 1 ruck and as long as he stays ahead of Preuss he will average 100+

Has history on his side, but Preuss was impressive when he played, which spells potential trouble. If one ruck only could be guaranteed, then I'd jump on Goldy myself

Yeah would have to be named alone for me to go with him. Crazy to think that they could go with Preuss over such a dominant ruckman

Problem is Goldy is 29, and Preuss only 22. If Preuss doesn't get games, he'll want to leave, and he looks a pretty good replacement down the track, so I'd say NM would want him to stick around
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on February 04, 2018, 08:23:28 AM
I'm actually considering Goldy. He had a terrible year and still averaged 94.8

I think this year will be a year that teams go with 1 ruck and as long as he stays ahead of Preuss he will average 100+

Has history on his side, but Preuss was impressive when he played, which spells potential trouble. If one ruck only could be guaranteed, then I'd jump on Goldy myself

Yeah would have to be named alone for me to go with him. Crazy to think that they could go with Preuss over such a dominant ruckman

Problem is Goldy is 29, and Preuss only 22. If Preuss doesn't get games, he'll want to leave, and he looks a pretty good replacement down the track, so I'd say NM would want him to stick around
Similar situation to Brisbane Martin as sole rucks dominates but he is 31 and we need to get more games into Smith and McInerney.  If Martin was sole ruck would be all over him.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 04, 2018, 09:56:51 AM
I reckon this is the year for set and forget are you really thinking about starting Lycett Vardy or Ceglar for R2 ? seems to me if Nic Nat plays but is looking like being rested then surely Lycett or Vardy won't play when he does so you are in the same boat may as well start Nic Nat same with Ceglar if the coach decides to go with one ruck every now and then all for 150 - 200K into another line , what you gain in points in one line you lose for having a lesser ruck who might not play all the time ?

Ceglar was best 22 and if he returns Rd1 then I would expect that to still be the case

Roughead is also an option who is best 22

Lycett/Vardy is risky yes, but again it's no so much making a call on the exact player right now because there's still so long to go before we see who is playing etc, but the discussion is more so about the theory of adopting this strategy and I think I will be doing it this year, hopefully as a POD
Ceglar avg. 69.2 last year you really want a R2 that avg's 70 ?

Does it matter?

If your R2 is cheap and avg's 70 that means your D4/M6/F4 averages higher
Yes.
There are heaps of players in the D/M/F who cheap and COULD premos, much better taking a risk on one of those than getting a guy you know wont go very big just to get "better" in those positions


My thinking as well you only get 2 Rucks why would you choose a spud with one of your picks

+1

Sandy last year was a fallen prem, and that played out ok, but hoping a spud finally matures is much more risky imo

You're missing the point. I'm not looking to pick one of these average rucks hoping they will mature and turn into a keeper. I am picking them knowing that 6-8 rounds into the season I will upgrade them to the best looking ruck

I'm looking into doing this because I can't figure out which "prem" ruck I want to go with Gawn, so instead of spending 500k+ on Sauce/Goldy/Ryder etc I bank the 200k and start a poorer ruck that has no JS issues, take his lower scores but use that 200k to get another starter on another line

Now this is the important part: I am doing this because we have no DPP rucks for cover this year, so we're going to have to burn trades in the ruck regardless unless you're blessed enough to pick 2 rucks who both don't miss a single game all year. So because we're going to have to burn a trade or two in the rucks anyway, I'm adopting this strategy and choosing to start an extra prem in another line instead of the rucks
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: iZander on February 04, 2018, 10:07:25 AM
I reckon this is the year for set and forget are you really thinking about starting Lycett Vardy or Ceglar for R2 ? seems to me if Nic Nat plays but is looking like being rested then surely Lycett or Vardy won't play when he does so you are in the same boat may as well start Nic Nat same with Ceglar if the coach decides to go with one ruck every now and then all for 150 - 200K into another line , what you gain in points in one line you lose for having a lesser ruck who might not play all the time ?

Ceglar was best 22 and if he returns Rd1 then I would expect that to still be the case

Roughead is also an option who is best 22

Lycett/Vardy is risky yes, but again it's no so much making a call on the exact player right now because there's still so long to go before we see who is playing etc, but the discussion is more so about the theory of adopting this strategy and I think I will be doing it this year, hopefully as a POD
Ceglar avg. 69.2 last year you really want a R2 that avg's 70 ?

Does it matter?

If your R2 is cheap and avg's 70 that means your D4/M6/F4 averages higher
Yes.
There are heaps of players in the D/M/F who cheap and COULD premos, much better taking a risk on one of those than getting a guy you know wont go very big just to get "better" in those positions


My thinking as well you only get 2 Rucks why would you choose a spud with one of your picks

+1

Sandy last year was a fallen prem, and that played out ok, but hoping a spud finally matures is much more risky imo

You're missing the point. I'm not looking to pick one of these average rucks hoping they will mature and turn into a keeper. I am picking them knowing that 6-8 rounds into the season I will upgrade them to the best looking ruck

I'm looking into doing this because I can't figure out which "prem" ruck I want to go with Gawn, so instead of spending 500k+ on Sauce/Goldy/Ryder etc I bank the 200k and start a poorer ruck that has no JS issues, take his lower scores but use that 200k to get another starter on another line

Now this is the important part: I am doing this because we have no DPP rucks for cover this year, so we're going to have to burn trades in the ruck regardless unless you're blessed enough to pick 2 rucks who both don't miss a single game all year. So because we're going to have to burn a trade or two in the rucks anyway, I'm adopting this strategy and choosing to start an extra prem in another line instead of the rucks
Yeah i get the strategy, dont think its a good one though

Pick someone like Jacobs and take the chance of him being the 2nd best ruck (in this scenario you dont have to burn a trade) and if hes not you can trade him if you really want (still burning a trade like you would have). While you would have received premo scroing from jacobs in these weeks which you wouldnt get with someone like ceglar. You also get the benfit of being able to pick someone in the D/M/F that will make more cash and maybe score well as there are heaps of good cash making options in other positions. my opinion anyway. 
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on February 04, 2018, 10:22:42 AM
I reckon this is the year for set and forget are you really thinking about starting Lycett Vardy or Ceglar for R2 ? seems to me if Nic Nat plays but is looking like being rested then surely Lycett or Vardy won't play when he does so you are in the same boat may as well start Nic Nat same with Ceglar if the coach decides to go with one ruck every now and then all for 150 - 200K into another line , what you gain in points in one line you lose for having a lesser ruck who might not play all the time ?

Ceglar was best 22 and if he returns Rd1 then I would expect that to still be the case

Roughead is also an option who is best 22

Lycett/Vardy is risky yes, but again it's no so much making a call on the exact player right now because there's still so long to go before we see who is playing etc, but the discussion is more so about the theory of adopting this strategy and I think I will be doing it this year, hopefully as a POD
Ceglar avg. 69.2 last year you really want a R2 that avg's 70 ?

Does it matter?

If your R2 is cheap and avg's 70 that means your D4/M6/F4 averages higher
Yes.
There are heaps of players in the D/M/F who cheap and COULD premos, much better taking a risk on one of those than getting a guy you know wont go very big just to get "better" in those positions


My thinking as well you only get 2 Rucks why would you choose a spud with one of your picks

+1

Sandy last year was a fallen prem, and that played out ok, but hoping a spud finally matures is much more risky imo

You're missing the point. I'm not looking to pick one of these average rucks hoping they will mature and turn into a keeper. I am picking them knowing that 6-8 rounds into the season I will upgrade them to the best looking ruck

I'm looking into doing this because I can't figure out which "prem" ruck I want to go with Gawn, so instead of spending 500k+ on Sauce/Goldy/Ryder etc I bank the 200k and start a poorer ruck that has no JS issues, take his lower scores but use that 200k to get another starter on another line

Now this is the important part: I am doing this because we have no DPP rucks for cover this year, so we're going to have to burn trades in the ruck regardless unless you're blessed enough to pick 2 rucks who both don't miss a single game all year. So because we're going to have to burn a trade or two in the rucks anyway, I'm adopting this strategy and choosing to start an extra prem in another line instead of the rucks
I understand the thinking but I still don't like it.
In my case by ridding myself of Jacobs to a Hampson or Ceglar type I end up with truck loads of cash but not enough to upgrade a rookie so it'd be someone like Christensen upgraded to Dahlhaus or Cripps to Kelly with rookie to expensive rookie...not enough appeal there for me... would rather have two set and forget rucks and hope for the best.
If McEvoy or Kreuzer were to go down though Ceglar and Lobbe would suddenly become more attractive though.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 04, 2018, 10:32:24 AM
Yeah i get the strategy, dont think its a good one though

Pick someone like Jacobs and take the chance of him being the 2nd best ruck (in this scenario you dont have to burn a trade) and if hes not you can trade him if you really want (still burning a trade like you would have). While you would have received premo scroing from jacobs in these weeks which you wouldnt get with someone like ceglar. You also get the benfit of being able to pick someone in the D/M/F that will make more cash and maybe score well as there are heaps of good cash making options in other positions. my opinion anyway.

I understand the thinking but I still don't like it.
In my case by ridding myself of Jacobs to a Hampson or Ceglar type I end up with truck loads of cash but not enough to upgrade a rookie so it'd be someone like Christensen upgraded to Dahlhaus or Cripps to Kelly with rookie to expensive rookie...not enough appeal there for me... would rather have two set and forget rucks and hope for the best.
If McEvoy or Kreuzer were to go down though Ceglar and Lobbe would suddenly become more attractive though.

All valid points :)

I'm not saying I am 100% locked on doing this, but that I think it's worth at least exploring

To be honest, I think I would most likely only do it if someone like Lycett looked like being locked in their best 22 because at his price range there is a lot of upside. Dawson Simpson might be the other one to consider if GWS don't want Lobb being their sole ruck

I mentioned their names as examples, but I honestly couldn't see myself picking spuds like Rough/Naismith etc

At the end of the day, it probably just comes down to picking who you think will be the best pick from the 250-300k players like Lycett, Griffen, Christensen, Birchall etc

I'd only want to pick one of them
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: iZander on February 04, 2018, 10:59:55 AM
Yeah i get the strategy, dont think its a good one though

Pick someone like Jacobs and take the chance of him being the 2nd best ruck (in this scenario you dont have to burn a trade) and if hes not you can trade him if you really want (still burning a trade like you would have). While you would have received premo scroing from jacobs in these weeks which you wouldnt get with someone like ceglar. You also get the benfit of being able to pick someone in the D/M/F that will make more cash and maybe score well as there are heaps of good cash making options in other positions. my opinion anyway.

I understand the thinking but I still don't like it.
In my case by ridding myself of Jacobs to a Hampson or Ceglar type I end up with truck loads of cash but not enough to upgrade a rookie so it'd be someone like Christensen upgraded to Dahlhaus or Cripps to Kelly with rookie to expensive rookie...not enough appeal there for me... would rather have two set and forget rucks and hope for the best.
If McEvoy or Kreuzer were to go down though Ceglar and Lobbe would suddenly become more attractive though.

All valid points :)

I'm not saying I am 100% locked on doing this, but that I think it's worth at least exploring

To be honest, I think I would most likely only do it if someone like Lycett looked like being locked in their best 22 because at his price range there is a lot of upside. Dawson Simpson might be the other one to consider if GWS don't want Lobb being their sole ruck

I mentioned their names as examples, but I honestly couldn't see myself picking spuds like Rough/Naismith etc

At the end of the day, it probably just comes down to picking who you think will be the best pick from the 250-300k players like Lycett, Griffen, Christensen, Birchall etc

I'd only want to pick one of them
Yeah i think if there was a good cash making option then id do it but i dont see one thats as good or better than the cash makers in the fwd/mid/def so id just take the risk with someone like Jacobs personally, if hes not the top scorer and you want to trade him then you still burn the trade anyway, but honestly i think Jacobs might actually be the best SC option anyway, so durable, wont miss games, may not be the 2nd highest average but i reckon you could nearly bank on him being one of the 3 highest point scorers
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 04, 2018, 11:46:03 AM
To be honest McEvoy did really well last year when Ceglar was out so maybe he will not just walk back into the team out all year with knee reco? he may need some time in the 2's to get some touch
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 05, 2018, 07:31:10 PM
Fantasy Freako Retweeted SEN Footy
Haselby says that Nic Nat could miss the entire JLT series. Not a great lead into Rnd 1.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 05, 2018, 07:34:57 PM
Fantasy Freako Retweeted SEN Footy
Haselby says that Nic Nat could miss the entire JLT series. Not a great lead into Rnd 1.

He's out for me, think I'll go Grundy who is trending up.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 05, 2018, 07:40:34 PM
Fantasy Freako Retweeted SEN Footy
Haselby says that Nic Nat could miss the entire JLT series. Not a great lead into Rnd 1.

He's out for me, think I'll go Grundy who is trending up.
AFL site saying he is no certainty for R1 oh well might make the rucks a bit more interesting  ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 05, 2018, 07:45:48 PM
Fantasy Freako Retweeted SEN Footy
Haselby says that Nic Nat could miss the entire JLT series. Not a great lead into Rnd 1.

He's out for me, think I'll go Grundy who is trending up.
AFL site saying he is no certainty for R1 oh well might make the rucks a bit more interesting  ;)

There's no obvious pick here, Sauce is up & down, Stef Martin is ageing, Goldy is yesterday's hero. Reckon it has to be Grundy given his age and scoring trend.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on February 05, 2018, 07:57:25 PM
The ruck decision will defintely be a LONGer one but it will GAWN in no time before round 1
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 05, 2018, 08:29:13 PM
Fantasy Freako Retweeted SEN Footy
Haselby says that Nic Nat could miss the entire JLT series. Not a great lead into Rnd 1.

He's out for me, think I'll go Grundy who is trending up.
AFL site saying he is no certainty for R1 oh well might make the rucks a bit more interesting  ;)

There's no obvious pick here, Sauce is up & down, Stef Martin is ageing, Goldy is yesterday's hero. Reckon it has to be Grundy given his age and scoring trend.

Yeah it's going to be tough this year

I've ruled out NN for now, and there's no chance I'm paying up for Kreuz

Ryder has a poor bye, and I feel like he is priced at his max already

Stef might be on the decline, and has the likes of Archie and Oscar knocking the door

Goldy has Preuss

Honestly, I think it has to be either Sauce or Grundy, and I'm not thrilled with either but they are the only 2 I think make sense for now, but I'm sure the JLT will change our views

Lycett at 277k I'd love to start, especially if NN is going to take a while to get going
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on February 05, 2018, 09:01:03 PM
Grundy's scores go to shower when Cox plays
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Torpedo10 on February 05, 2018, 09:17:10 PM
Fantasy Freako Retweeted SEN Footy
Haselby says that Nic Nat could miss the entire JLT series. Not a great lead into Rnd 1.

He's out for me, think I'll go Grundy who is trending up.
AFL site saying he is no certainty for R1 oh well might make the rucks a bit more interesting  ;)

There's no obvious pick here, Sauce is up & down, Stef Martin is ageing, Goldy is yesterday's hero. Reckon it has to be Grundy given his age and scoring trend.

Yeah it's going to be tough this year

I've ruled out NN for now, and there's no chance I'm paying up for Kreuz

Ryder has a poor bye, and I feel like he is priced at his max already

Stef might be on the decline, and has the likes of Archie and Oscar knocking the door

Goldy has Preuss

Honestly, I think it has to be either Sauce or Grundy, and I'm not thrilled with either but they are the only 2 I think make sense for now, but I'm sure the JLT will change our views

Lycett at 277k I'd love to start, especially if NN is going to take a while to get going
Longer not a temptation? Has the discount.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 05, 2018, 10:13:01 PM
Grundy's scores go to shower when Cox plays

Good point. Forgot about Cox for some reason

Sauce it is then  :-\

Longer not a temptation? Has the discount.

4 tons in his last 7 games is encouraging, but at that price I think I'd rather spend the same amount on another line and get someone much more reliable to become a keeper and score more

Honestly, I'll probably be swayed by JLT and just decide after that because it's only a waste of time speculating now lol
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: meow meow on February 05, 2018, 10:16:37 PM
Why not just pick Witts instead?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 05, 2018, 10:41:13 PM
Why not just pick Witts instead?

Seriously considered him. Started him last year and he was fantastic but at his price now I just don't think he has the ceiling to justify picking him at his price
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on February 05, 2018, 10:57:03 PM
Why not just pick Witts instead?
Shhh
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on February 05, 2018, 11:19:58 PM
Why not just pick Witts instead?

Seriously considered him. Started him last year and he was fantastic but at his price now I just don't think he has the ceiling to justify picking him at his price

Plus he has the early bye
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 05, 2018, 11:52:46 PM
Still going nicnat as long as he is named round 1. Even playing sore will average 90+
Just need him to get through the first part of the season without a rest and then I'll be happy to trade to whoever is performing if he does get rested.
Sauce or Goldy are the only other 2 I would consider starting and Goldy has the same bye as Gawn plus the Preuss factor and Jacobs has averaged 86.8 and 95.7 the last 2 years in a good side so don't see where the improvement comes at 30 years old
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Spite on February 06, 2018, 01:07:22 AM
Why not just pick Witts instead?

Seriously considered him. Started him last year and he was fantastic but at his price now I just don't think he has the ceiling to justify picking him at his price

Same bye as Ryder. Ryder at least finished the year very strongly and probably can average 2-3 more than his listed price given his poor start to the season.

I'm still on Sauce but tempted by Ryder
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Sabretooth Tigers on February 06, 2018, 03:49:24 AM
Why not just pick Witts instead?

Seriously considered him. Started him last year and he was fantastic but at his price now I just don't think he has the ceiling to justify picking him at his price

Same bye as Ryder. Ryder at least finished the year very strongly and probably can average 2-3 more than his listed price given his poor start to the season.

 :)
Currently have Gawn and Ryder. My speculation (thoughts) being that Ryder will outscore Jacobs and I save a trade by starting with him. So it comes to :-
saving a trade plus expected extra points  v  1 doughnut. More than obviously if Ryder were to outscore Jacobs over the 1st 10 Rds. it would be worth it without even saving the trade. Definitely leaning toward starting him ATM and because of this dilemna he is currently a POD, in only 8% of teams.

 ;)  Sorry Spite, I cut off the rest of your comment, as below.

I'm still on Sauce but tempted by Ryder
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on February 06, 2018, 09:13:58 AM
Sauce it is then 
Exhausted possibilities mean all roads lead to Jacobs.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 06, 2018, 09:34:51 AM
If NN does not get up and going he might be mothballed for the start of the season still not doing any competitive stuff and does not sounds like he is doing any jumping to test his knee so maybe if can find the cash Lycett might be a cash cow at R3 ?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on February 06, 2018, 09:38:45 AM
If NN does not get up and going he might be mothballed for the start of the season still not doing any competitive stuff and does not sounds like he is doing any jumping to test his knee so maybe if can find the cash Lycett might be a cash cow at R3 ?
Risky and not worth it IMO.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 06, 2018, 09:46:42 AM
If NN does not get up and going he might be mothballed for the start of the season still not doing any competitive stuff and does not sounds like he is doing any jumping to test his knee so maybe if can find the cash Lycett might be a cash cow at R3 ?
Risky and not worth it IMO.

Yeah probably a longshot that I have 277K left over for R3 but it's ok to dream  :D
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on February 06, 2018, 10:04:54 AM
If NN does not get up and going he might be mothballed for the start of the season still not doing any competitive stuff and does not sounds like he is doing any jumping to test his knee so maybe if can find the cash Lycett might be a cash cow at R3 ?
Risky and not worth it IMO.

Yeah probably a longshot that I have 277K left over for R3 but it's ok to dream  :D
Yeah... you don't want that coin sitting on your bench anyway.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on February 09, 2018, 02:27:56 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2018-02-09/alan-richardson-cops-the-fans-hard-questions - 2:06

Longer still hasn't joined the main group, says that Hickey would be ahead if he were picking a team this week. The latter averaged 83.7 in 2016 and is priced at 59.5. Could be a solid stepping stone for those looking for a cheaper R2.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on February 09, 2018, 02:51:02 PM
He also  says he's  slightly ahead of Longer and there's plenty  of time before  round 1. Hate to start Longer or Hickey for them to be dropped a few weeks later for the other. They could end up playing 1/2 a season each ala Berger and Bellchambers. Wish there was a suitable cheap R2 but who? Lycett on watch but only if NN doesn't get up.
Rucks suck this year im thinking Gawn and Ryder and screw the bye.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: meow meow on February 09, 2018, 03:01:44 PM
Witts and Crossley combo if you don't care about the bye.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 09, 2018, 03:09:58 PM
Witts and Crossley combo if you don't care about the bye.
Really meow Crossley maybe Witts and Ryder if you don't care about the bye  ::)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bubbles on February 11, 2018, 04:12:30 PM
Does anyone have any info on Dawson Simpson? Is he a chance to be #1 ruck? He is huge, gets lots of hit outs and scored well in the 2 games he played last year. If he plays round 1 he could be a good pick
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on February 13, 2018, 03:24:14 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on February 13, 2018, 03:37:05 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Huttabito on February 13, 2018, 04:04:20 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
All I'm seeing is Jacobs/Gawn set and forget.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on February 13, 2018, 06:50:08 PM
Not sure why everyone is writing off Ryder due to one  possible donut nearly halfway into the season. Alot can happen in that time and with Rocky,Gray,Boak,SPP,Wines etc. running through that midfield and a slow start last year due to season suspension prior, he has room for improvement.
Cameron,Pittonet and even Flynn from GWS should get games amongst other possibilities so there may indeed be cover. Lobb could even get DPP status seeing as they just made Motlop a mid/fwd. (Wishful thinking:-))
Donuts happen and whilst they should be minimized it's not the end of the world. There's so many ways to get extra points by captains choices/loops, other loopholed players, fielding the right rookies and picking Gun players like Paddy while everyone else worries about round 10.
Remember also he's one more premium you'd have over all the other bye rounds.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Perts24 on February 13, 2018, 07:15:15 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
All I'm seeing is Jacobs/Gawn set and forget.
Can someone enlighten me about the hype to do with Jacobs? Would be very lucky to be a top 3 ruck (Kreuzer, Gawn and Ryder), should be around 10 points a game under those 3.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Southstorm on February 13, 2018, 07:22:14 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
All I'm seeing is Jacobs/Gawn set and forget.
Can someone enlighten me about the hype to do with Jacobs? Would be very lucky to be a top 3 ruck (Kreuzer, Gawn and Ryder), should be around 10 points a game under those 3.
He doesn't share ruck duties with anybody else, is reasonably priced and doesn't have a flowered bye round. It's not hype, it's desperation.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 13, 2018, 07:23:30 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
All I'm seeing is Jacobs/Gawn set and forget.
Can someone enlighten me about the hype to do with Jacobs? Would be very lucky to be a top 3 ruck (Kreuzer, Gawn and Ryder), should be around 10 points a game under those 3.

Don't underestimate the Gibbs factor, Sauce now has a bit of silk to compliment the blue collar types. Carlton lose arguably their best mid, I have no doubts this will hurt Kreuzer. As for Ryder, the bye is the killer, would never structure my team with a donut in mind.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 13, 2018, 07:27:39 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
All I'm seeing is Jacobs/Gawn set and forget.
Can someone enlighten me about the hype to do with Jacobs? Would be very lucky to be a top 3 ruck (Kreuzer, Gawn and Ryder), should be around 10 points a game under those 3.

Don't underestimate the Gibbs factor, Sauce now has a bit of silk to compliment the blue collar types. Carlton lose arguably their best mid, I have no doubts this will hurt Kreuzer. As for Ryder, the bye is the killer, would never structure my team with a donut in mind.
Why do you have to get a donut for choosing Ryder?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 13, 2018, 07:31:29 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
All I'm seeing is Jacobs/Gawn set and forget.
Can someone enlighten me about the hype to do with Jacobs? Would be very lucky to be a top 3 ruck (Kreuzer, Gawn and Ryder), should be around 10 points a game under those 3.

Don't underestimate the Gibbs factor, Sauce now has a bit of silk to compliment the blue collar types. Carlton lose arguably their best mid, I have no doubts this will hurt Kreuzer. As for Ryder, the bye is the killer, would never structure my team with a donut in mind.
Why do you have to get a donut for choosing Ryder?

Well you'd be either wasting a trade or relying on R3 to play round 10. Seems pretty risky to me.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Southstorm on February 13, 2018, 07:36:42 PM
Not sure why everyone is writing off Ryder due to one  possible donut nearly halfway into the season. Alot can happen in that time and with Rocky,Gray,Boak,SPP,Wines etc. running through that midfield and a slow start last year due to season suspension prior, he has room for improvement.
Cameron,Pittonet and even Flynn from GWS should get games amongst other possibilities so there may indeed be cover. Lobb could even get DPP status seeing as they just made Motlop a mid/fwd. (Wishful thinking:-))
Donuts happen and whilst they should be minimized it's not the end of the world. There's so many ways to get extra points by captains choices/loops, other loopholed players, fielding the right rookies and picking Gun players like Paddy while everyone else worries about round 10.
Remember also he's one more premium you'd have over all the other bye rounds.
A bye outside of the bye rounds with no ruck coverage is a guaranteed donut, for a premium priced ruck you're losing 100 points. You don't get it back in the bye rounds unless one week you were going to field 17 instead of 18 players, which isn't something anybody should be planning to do. Same as fielding the right rookies and making the right captain choices, isn't that something you were going to do anyway?

I'm going to start Jacobs and look to trade up to Kreuzer or Ryder after their respective byes. In the meantime, the money saved by going with a cheaper ruck will be put to good use.

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Perts24 on February 13, 2018, 07:40:23 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
All I'm seeing is Jacobs/Gawn set and forget.
Can someone enlighten me about the hype to do with Jacobs? Would be very lucky to be a top 3 ruck (Kreuzer, Gawn and Ryder), should be around 10 points a game under those 3.

Don't underestimate the Gibbs factor, Sauce now has a bit of silk to compliment the blue collar types. Carlton lose arguably their best mid, I have no doubts this will hurt Kreuzer. As for Ryder, the bye is the killer, would never structure my team with a donut in mind.
Why do you have to get a donut for choosing Ryder?
Have to get a donut when they have the early bye cause there is no cover and it's still a normal round.

I can see where you are coming from a bit more with sauce now but I can't see Kreuzer dropping many (if any) points. Last year was the first time he had a full pre season and he has finally strung a good amount of games together, with another full preseason under his belt I think he will have another ripper year.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 13, 2018, 07:42:15 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
All I'm seeing is Jacobs/Gawn set and forget.
Can someone enlighten me about the hype to do with Jacobs? Would be very lucky to be a top 3 ruck (Kreuzer, Gawn and Ryder), should be around 10 points a game under those 3.

Don't underestimate the Gibbs factor, Sauce now has a bit of silk to compliment the blue collar types. Carlton lose arguably their best mid, I have no doubts this will hurt Kreuzer. As for Ryder, the bye is the killer, would never structure my team with a donut in mind.
Why do you have to get a donut for choosing Ryder?

Well you'd be either wasting a trade or relying on R3 to play round 10. Seems pretty risky to me.
Who knows what happens between now and round 10 there could be ruck carnage , the extra points I think Ryder can make might be worth a trade or 2 , some people use all 9 trades in the byes every year maybe using only 7 and a couple for ruck corrections might be a plan , trying to predict everything in your team from day one to the end is silly sometimes you just gotta go with your gut :D
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Sabretooth Tigers on February 13, 2018, 07:43:59 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
All I'm seeing is Jacobs/Gawn set and forget.
Can someone enlighten me about the hype to do with Jacobs? Would be very lucky to be a top 3 ruck (Kreuzer, Gawn and Ryder), should be around 10 points a game under those 3.

Don't underestimate the Gibbs factor, Sauce now has a bit of silk to compliment the blue collar types. Carlton lose arguably their best mid, I have no doubts this will hurt Kreuzer. As for Ryder, the bye is the killer, would never structure my team with a donut in mind.
Why do you have to get a donut for choosing Ryder?

Well you'd be either wasting a trade or relying on R3 to play round 10. Seems pretty risky to me.

 :-\

If Ryder were to outscore the ruckman you would replace him with  in the first 8 Rds by enough to cover not playing   the bye wouldn't he be worth having ?  Mightn't that save a trade ? Guess it depends on what you are playing for  ie  cash league or perhaps overall.

 ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 13, 2018, 07:47:24 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
All I'm seeing is Jacobs/Gawn set and forget.
Can someone enlighten me about the hype to do with Jacobs? Would be very lucky to be a top 3 ruck (Kreuzer, Gawn and Ryder), should be around 10 points a game under those 3.

Don't underestimate the Gibbs factor, Sauce now has a bit of silk to compliment the blue collar types. Carlton lose arguably their best mid, I have no doubts this will hurt Kreuzer. As for Ryder, the bye is the killer, would never structure my team with a donut in mind.
Why do you have to get a donut for choosing Ryder?

Well you'd be either wasting a trade or relying on R3 to play round 10. Seems pretty risky to me.
Who knows what happens between now and round 10 there could be ruck carnage , the extra points I think Ryder can make might be worth a trade or 2 , some people use all 9 trades in the byes every year maybe using only 7 and a couple for ruck corrections might be a plan , trying to predict everything in your team from day one to the end is silly sometimes you just gotta go with your gut :D

So let's say Ryder averages 10 points more than Sauce, that's a mere 90 points difference leading into the bye, pretty hard to justify blowing a trade in my opinion. It's on the same par as picking a donut to cash in a bench ton in the first round.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 13, 2018, 07:56:17 PM
I may be the only person thinking this way, but I have concerns with big Maxy Gawn. In the last 3 seasons he's played 48 of a possible 66 matches and last seasons remaining 3 or 4 matches were woeful for a ruckman trying to get his team into the eight. Somebody put my mind at ease.

Pretty much all the rucks have risk, Gawn has the benefit of having no competition for ruck duties (I don't count Pedo)

Kruezer - overpriced
Goldy - Preuss factor
NN - under done
Paddy - early bye
Smith - Stanley factor
Smartin - Archie
Grundy - Cox
Big Boy - Ceglar
All I'm seeing is Jacobs/Gawn set and forget.
Can someone enlighten me about the hype to do with Jacobs? Would be very lucky to be a top 3 ruck (Kreuzer, Gawn and Ryder), should be around 10 points a game under those 3.

Don't underestimate the Gibbs factor, Sauce now has a bit of silk to compliment the blue collar types. Carlton lose arguably their best mid, I have no doubts this will hurt Kreuzer. As for Ryder, the bye is the killer, would never structure my team with a donut in mind.
Why do you have to get a donut for choosing Ryder?

Well you'd be either wasting a trade or relying on R3 to play round 10. Seems pretty risky to me.
Who knows what happens between now and round 10 there could be ruck carnage , the extra points I think Ryder can make might be worth a trade or 2 , some people use all 9 trades in the byes every year maybe using only 7 and a couple for ruck corrections might be a plan , trying to predict everything in your team from day one to the end is silly sometimes you just gotta go with your gut :D

So let's say Ryder averages 10 points more than Sauce, that's a mere 90 points difference leading into the bye, pretty hard to justify blowing a trade in my opinion. It's on the same par as picking a donut to cash in a bench ton in the first round.
Why by not starting players like Dusty or Danger might end up costing you an extra trade to get them in is that a wasted trade? , I usually make 2 or 3 stupid or wasted trades every year maybe this year in the rucks  ;D I don't over think things in SC like I said sometimes you just gotta go with your gut  ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 13, 2018, 08:31:38 PM
Rucks are a nightmare this year

I'm just going to crack the code and go with Gawn at R1 and R2  ;D
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 13, 2018, 08:59:29 PM
Rucks are a nightmare this year

I'm just going to crack the code and go with Gawn at R1 and R2  ;D

Imagine Gawn misses round 1. All hell will break loose
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on February 13, 2018, 10:31:45 PM
Rucks are a nightmare this year

I'm just going to crack the code and go with Gawn at R1 and R2  ;D

Imagine Gawn misses round 1. All hell will break loose
Don't say that :o
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: meow meow on February 13, 2018, 10:50:28 PM
Witts and Crossley combo if you don't care about the bye.
Really meow Crossley maybe Witts and Ryder if you don't care about the bye  ::)

I meant at R2 and R3 pal
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 14, 2018, 01:14:50 AM
Rucks are a nightmare this year

I'm just going to crack the code and go with Gawn at R1 and R2  ;D

Imagine Gawn misses round 1. All hell will break loose
Don't say that :o

At least the rucks would look very different haha
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: dmac07 on February 14, 2018, 06:10:05 PM
Gawn and Lycett locked for me and have been for ages. Lycett only in 1% of teams, everyone else should avoid him though  ;).

Lycett will allow me the oppurtunity to look at the other rucks as I really cant split them after Gawn. Just hoping Nic Nat also plays round 1 so Lycett will stay more unique.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 14, 2018, 06:15:47 PM
Gawn and Lycett locked for me and have been for ages. Lycett only in 1% of teams, everyone else should avoid him though  ;).

Lycett will allow me the oppurtunity to look at the other rucks as I really cant split them after Gawn. Just hoping Nic Nat also plays round 1 so Lycett will stay more unique.

Believe me, if Lycett lines up Round 1 his ownership will be a lot higher than 1%

The reason most of us have not got him in just yet is because we're waiting to see if he looks like getting a game

Vardy isn't going to be pushed aside, so Lycett is no where near a lock to start just yet (But we're all hoping he does!)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 14, 2018, 06:24:19 PM
Gawn and Lycett locked for me and have been for ages. Lycett only in 1% of teams, everyone else should avoid him though  ;).

Lycett will allow me the oppurtunity to look at the other rucks as I really cant split them after Gawn. Just hoping Nic Nat also plays round 1 so Lycett will stay more unique.

Believe me, if Lycett lines up Round 1 his ownership will be a lot higher than 1%

The reason most of us have not got him in just yet is because we're waiting to see if he looks like getting a game

Vardy isn't going to be pushed aside, so Lycett is no where near a lock to start just yet (But we're all hoping he does!)

Doesn't Lycett score terribly with NicNat in the side?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: dmac07 on February 14, 2018, 06:34:39 PM
Gawn and Lycett locked for me and have been for ages. Lycett only in 1% of teams, everyone else should avoid him though  ;).

Lycett will allow me the oppurtunity to look at the other rucks as I really cant split them after Gawn. Just hoping Nic Nat also plays round 1 so Lycett will stay more unique.

Believe me, if Lycett lines up Round 1 his ownership will be a lot higher than 1%

The reason most of us have not got him in just yet is because we're waiting to see if he looks like getting a game

Vardy isn't going to be pushed aside, so Lycett is no where near a lock to start just yet (But we're all hoping he does!)

Doesn't Lycett score terribly with NicNat in the side?

In 2016 Lycett played 20 games and averaged 83, Nic Nat played 15. Havent gone as far as checking which games he was solo in and checking those scores though.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Torpedo10 on February 14, 2018, 06:36:47 PM
Is it possible to score badly as a Ruck with Gaz, Danger, Selwood & Duncan around the Stoppages?

Think about it.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 14, 2018, 06:41:07 PM
Is it possible to score badly as a Ruck with Gaz, Danger, Selwood & Duncan around the Stoppages?

Think about it.

This is kind of my theory with Sauce, Gibbs joins the rotations, Crouch should improve and Sloane probably won't get hard tagged as much.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 14, 2018, 07:05:31 PM
Gawn and Lycett locked for me and have been for ages. Lycett only in 1% of teams, everyone else should avoid him though  ;).

Lycett will allow me the oppurtunity to look at the other rucks as I really cant split them after Gawn. Just hoping Nic Nat also plays round 1 so Lycett will stay more unique.

Believe me, if Lycett lines up Round 1 his ownership will be a lot higher than 1%

The reason most of us have not got him in just yet is because we're waiting to see if he looks like getting a game

Vardy isn't going to be pushed aside, so Lycett is no where near a lock to start just yet (But we're all hoping he does!)

Doesn't Lycett score terribly with NicNat in the side?

In 2016 Lycett played 20 games and averaged 83, Nic Nat played 15. Havent gone as far as checking which games he was solo in and checking those scores though.

Yeah I remember having Lycett in my forward line that year, that's why I remember him suffering when nicnat played haha
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 14, 2018, 07:07:43 PM
Gawn and Lycett locked for me and have been for ages. Lycett only in 1% of teams, everyone else should avoid him though  ;).

Lycett will allow me the oppurtunity to look at the other rucks as I really cant split them after Gawn. Just hoping Nic Nat also plays round 1 so Lycett will stay more unique.

Believe me, if Lycett lines up Round 1 his ownership will be a lot higher than 1%

The reason most of us have not got him in just yet is because we're waiting to see if he looks like getting a game

Vardy isn't going to be pushed aside, so Lycett is no where near a lock to start just yet (But we're all hoping he does!)

Doesn't Lycett score terribly with NicNat in the side?

In 2016 Lycett played 20 games and averaged 83, Nic Nat played 15. Havent gone as far as checking which games he was solo in and checking those scores though.

Yeah I remember having Lycett in my forward line that year, that's why I remember him suffering when nicnat played haha

At 277k though you can't go wrong

It's just a matter of whether he looks to be best 22 or not which is the concern for now, so hopefully we'll find out closer to Round 1
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on February 14, 2018, 08:43:25 PM
Lycett scored 5 tons from 10 games with NN in the side at the start of 2016.
He works well with him and its not scoring I'm worried about its Vardy and whether they play all 3 at once. Lycett has had an awesome preseason and he will play round 1 imo. But will he play 10 games in a row again so he can become Ryder?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on February 14, 2018, 09:14:09 PM
Lycett scored 5 tons from 10 games with NN in the side at the start of 2016.
He works well with him and its not scoring I'm worried about its Vardy and whether they play all 3 at once. Lycett has had an awesome preseason and he will play round 1 imo. But will he play 10 games in a row again so he can become Ryder?
Did an option today that brings in Lycett for Jacobs and upgrade a rookie to JOM at M6.    Like the look of it.  Expect Jaeger to stay on the park and be my upgrade to Dusty. 
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 14, 2018, 09:48:08 PM
Gawn and Lycett locked for me and have been for ages. Lycett only in 1% of teams, everyone else should avoid him though  ;).

Lycett will allow me the oppurtunity to look at the other rucks as I really cant split them after Gawn. Just hoping Nic Nat also plays round 1 so Lycett will stay more unique.

Believe me, if Lycett lines up Round 1 his ownership will be a lot higher than 1%

The reason most of us have not got him in just yet is because we're waiting to see if he looks like getting a game

Vardy isn't going to be pushed aside, so Lycett is no where near a lock to start just yet (But we're all hoping he does!)

Doesn't Lycett score terribly with NicNat in the side?

In 2016 Lycett played 20 games and averaged 83, Nic Nat played 15. Havent gone as far as checking which games he was solo in and checking those scores though.

Yeah I remember having Lycett in my forward line that year, that's why I remember him suffering when nicnat played haha

At 277k though you can't go wrong

It's just a matter of whether he looks to be best 22 or not which is the concern for now, so hopefully we'll find out closer to Round 1

Didn't realise he was that cheap tbh! Very much a consideration.

The problem is even if he and nicnat start round 1 he is only 1 bad game away from being dropped for Vardy
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: eaglesman on February 18, 2018, 12:26:51 PM
I had him for a while but why is Jacobs so popular?
For mine it’s a bit of groupthink theory - following the crowd.
I know kreuzer is expensive but in years gone by we have locked in cox goldy and gawn without blinking.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 18, 2018, 12:35:15 PM
I had him for a while but why is Jacobs so popular?
For mine it’s a bit of groupthink theory - following the crowd.
I know kreuzer is expensive but in years gone by we have locked in cox goldy and gawn without blinking.

Kreuzer won't have the same service at stoppages, Gibbs is a massive out. For 600k that's a big risk. Don't think Jacobs is a bad pick because Kreuzer's loss is Jacob's gain. Not remotely interested in Nic Nat?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: eaglesman on February 18, 2018, 12:50:31 PM
I had him for a while but why is Jacobs so popular?
For mine it’s a bit of groupthink theory - following the crowd.
I know kreuzer is expensive but in years gone by we have locked in cox goldy and gawn without blinking.

Kreuzer won't have the same service at stoppages, Gibbs is a massive out. For 600k that's a big risk. Don't think Jacobs is a bad pick because Kreuzer's loss is Jacob's gain. Not remotely interested in Nic Nat?

Nope not interested in nic nat he will get restricted time on ground and will get rested. One rest and that cheap price counts for nothing

I would definitely pick Ryder but for the bye and I assume most would agree he is prob the pick of the bunch.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 18, 2018, 12:59:31 PM
I had him for a while but why is Jacobs so popular?
For mine it’s a bit of groupthink theory - following the crowd.
I know kreuzer is expensive but in years gone by we have locked in cox goldy and gawn without blinking.

Kreuzer won't have the same service at stoppages, Gibbs is a massive out. For 600k that's a big risk. Don't think Jacobs is a bad pick because Kreuzer's loss is Jacob's gain. Not remotely interested in Nic Nat?

Nope not interested in nic nat he will get restricted time on ground and will get rested. One rest and that cheap price counts for nothing

I would definitely pick Ryder but for the bye and I assume most would agree he is prob the pick of the bunch.

Sauce is basically chosen by default

Kreuz is priced at max value and always has injury risks. Ryder has a poor bye and also priced at max value imo. NN I just can't see playing 22 and if he does his TOG early on might be low. Goldy has Preuss, Grundy has Cox and so on

Sauce just seems like the safe bet to play 22 as sole ruck.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Perts24 on February 18, 2018, 01:11:34 PM
I had him for a while but why is Jacobs so popular?
For mine it’s a bit of groupthink theory - following the crowd.
I know kreuzer is expensive but in years gone by we have locked in cox goldy and gawn without blinking.

Kreuzer won't have the same service at stoppages, Gibbs is a massive out. For 600k that's a big risk. Don't think Jacobs is a bad pick because Kreuzer's loss is Jacob's gain. Not remotely interested in Nic Nat?
Personally, I would imagine that the majority of kreuzer's points came from his work around the ground, not hitouts. Averaged 10 contested possessions, 4 clearances and 5 tackles a game. He averaged 30 hitouts but I'm not sure how many were to advantage, does anyone have that stat or know where I can find it?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: eaglesman on February 18, 2018, 01:15:13 PM
I had him for a while but why is Jacobs so popular?
For mine it’s a bit of groupthink theory - following the crowd.
I know kreuzer is expensive but in years gone by we have locked in cox goldy and gawn without blinking.

Kreuzer won't have the same service at stoppages, Gibbs is a massive out. For 600k that's a big risk. Don't think Jacobs is a bad pick because Kreuzer's loss is Jacob's gain. Not remotely interested in Nic Nat?
Personally, I would imagine that the majority of kreuzer's points came from his work around the ground, not hitouts. Averaged 10 contested possessions, 4 clearances and 5 tackles a game. He averaged 30 hitouts but I'm not sure how many were to advantage, does anyone have that stat or know where I can find it?

I agree not worried about the hitouts as such ... I don’t think sauce is that good of a tap ruck myself
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 18, 2018, 01:30:56 PM
I had him for a while but why is Jacobs so popular?
For mine it’s a bit of groupthink theory - following the crowd.
I know kreuzer is expensive but in years gone by we have locked in cox goldy and gawn without blinking.

Kreuzer won't have the same service at stoppages, Gibbs is a massive out. For 600k that's a big risk. Don't think Jacobs is a bad pick because Kreuzer's loss is Jacob's gain. Not remotely interested in Nic Nat?
Personally, I would imagine that the majority of kreuzer's points came from his work around the ground, not hitouts. Averaged 10 contested possessions, 4 clearances and 5 tackles a game. He averaged 30 hitouts but I'm not sure how many were to advantage, does anyone have that stat or know where I can find it?

These stats are elusive but it only takes -2 a game to bring his average back to the pack. I did remember reading that Lobb had the highest %.

I had him for a while but why is Jacobs so popular?
For mine it’s a bit of groupthink theory - following the crowd.
I know kreuzer is expensive but in years gone by we have locked in cox goldy and gawn without blinking.

Kreuzer won't have the same service at stoppages, Gibbs is a massive out. For 600k that's a big risk. Don't think Jacobs is a bad pick because Kreuzer's loss is Jacob's gain. Not remotely interested in Nic Nat?

Nope not interested in nic nat he will get restricted time on ground and will get rested. One rest and that cheap price counts for nothing

I would definitely pick Ryder but for the bye and I assume most would agree he is prob the pick of the bunch.

Must admit I'm slightly concerned about Nic Nat but it's now been 18 months of recovery so I can only assume the Weagles are doing everything in their power to get him cherry ripe for the opener. There was some talk of him being available for the finals last year but the club erred on the side of conservatism. If his JLT game is solid I'm locking him in. He's probably the same risk profile as Lobb who hasn't had a preseason and is battling dodgy groins.

My one concern with Sauce is the high standard deviation, 59, 60, 60, 61, 65 & 71 tells me he's very capable of throwing in stinkers. That could be poison, particularly in head to heads. It's a far worse record than guys who are competing with second ruckmen, Goldy included.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 18, 2018, 02:41:39 PM
Brad Scott saying that Goldy looks like his All Australian year. I'll go him if nicnat isn't right. Even with Preuss hurting his season he still scored nearly as well as Jocobs. Carried some injuries and personal issues so would expect him to bounce back to 100+
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 18, 2018, 03:03:36 PM
Brad Scott saying that Goldy looks like his All Australian year. I'll go him if nicnat isn't right. Even with Preuss hurting his season he still scored nearly as well as Jocobs. Carried some injuries and personal issues so would expect him to bounce back to 100+

Yeah, I've toyed with Goldy too, still hasn't hit 30 believe it or not. Just for a snapshot on the Preuss impact -

Round 1. Goldy (105) Preuss (44)
Round 2. Goldy (52) Preuss (111)
Round 3. Goldy (DNP) Preuss (87)
Round 4. Goldy (96) Preuss (60)
Round 19. Goldy (DNP) Preuss (39)
Round 20. Goldy (88) Preuss (29)
Round 21. Goldy (32) Preuss (85)
Round 22. Goldy (92) Preuss (47)

Only two absolute horror shows in there, in the last game Preuss was dropped and Goldy scored 122. From those scores Goldy is still head and shoulders above Preuss as a ruck, I remember watching that 32 score and don't recall Goldy getting out of the forward arc much at all. I think Scott knows it's better to play Goldy as chief ruckman.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 18, 2018, 03:16:59 PM
Brad Scott saying that Goldy looks like his All Australian year. I'll go him if nicnat isn't right. Even with Preuss hurting his season he still scored nearly as well as Jocobs. Carried some injuries and personal issues so would expect him to bounce back to 100+

Yeah, I've toyed with Goldy too, still hasn't hit 30 believe it or not. Just for a snapshot on the Preuss impact -

Round 1. Goldy (105) Preuss (44)
Round 2. Goldy (52) Preuss (111)
Round 3. Goldy (DNP) Preuss (87)
Round 4. Goldy (96) Preuss (60)
Round 19. Goldy (DNP) Preuss (39)
Round 20. Goldy (88) Preuss (29)
Round 21. Goldy (32) Preuss (85)
Round 22. Goldy (92) Preuss (47)

Only two absolute horror shows in there, in the last game Preuss was dropped and Goldy scored 122. From those scores Goldy is still head and shoulders above Preuss as a ruck, I remember watching that 32 score and don't recall Goldy getting out of the forward arc much at all. I think Scott knows it's better to play Goldy as chief ruckman.

Yeah I think Goldy had a fair bit going on last year too. The only big issue is that he shares the bye with Gawn
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 18, 2018, 04:54:52 PM
I actually would prefer to start Goldy over Sauce, but Goldy has the same bye as Gawn  :-\
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Huttabito on February 18, 2018, 05:01:35 PM
I actually would prefer to start Goldy over Sauce, but Goldy has the same bye as Gawn  :-\
Surely this is really a non-issue though? Rd14 bye is the killer so dropping Sauce for him sounds like a good idea tbh....
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 18, 2018, 05:18:37 PM
I actually would prefer to start Goldy over Sauce, but Goldy has the same bye as Gawn  :-\
Surely this is really a non-issue though? Rd14 bye is the killer so dropping Sauce for him sounds like a good idea tbh....

You'd think so, but having both rucks out means you only have 20 spots remaining, and need to field 18 so you're pushing it

Not to mention Brisbane, Collingwood, Essendon and GWS all have the bye when Goldy/Gawn does too and there's a lot of popular prems in those teams too
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 18, 2018, 05:30:10 PM
Have not changed my rucks since day 1 Ryder and Gawn resigned to the fact it will cost me 1 or 2 trades come round 10 no biggie and no headache or maybe a cheap R3 might appear by then  ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 18, 2018, 08:41:42 PM
For those who have Goldy on the shortlist, this is worth a read.


Todd Goldstein thought about giving up AFL as he battled on and off the field

TODD Goldstein tried to hide it.

He arrived at the club each morning, and before each game throughout the bulk of last year, trying to conceal the anguish and emptiness.

After some knee issues in 2016, Goldstein’s form plummeted again last season in line with his deteriorating mental state.

Goldstein separated from his wife in 2015, and the subsequent discussion surrounding their three children had taken its toll on him, and his football.

By midway through last year, the man considered the best ruckman in the AFL only two seasons before had lost interest in the game.

He was mentally “exhausted”, he said, and had even withdrawn, in some ways, from the team environment.

In his first interview about “the worst two and half years of my life”, Goldstein said the thought of giving AFL away crossed his mind “in my lowest moments” last season.

“It was about the desire, really,” Goldstein told the Herald Sun.

“To be honest, I didn’t want to be here, and that’s not really about the footy club or a North Melbourne thing. I just didn’t want to be playing.

“It was all a grind for me and being here probably wasn’t the best place for me.”

Goldstein, 29, this week said he was finally ready to talk openly about his on and off-field struggles after a resolution to his family situation late last season.

That much-needed clarity coincided with the best games of his season in the last two rounds and now, after a two-week European holiday in the off-season, Goldstein says he feels capable of reclaiming his sparkling 2015 form.

“The last two and a half years I haven’t been very good at sharing how I am going — even this interview if it was last year I would have been stressing about it for weeks,” he said.

“So, even this is a huge step for me, but I don’t want to shy away from it any more.

“I have learnt the biggest thing is just being open and honest with the people around you if you are struggling, because even doing that is a weight off your shoulders.”

This week at training, Goldstein again showcased his trademark running power, giving Roos chiefs reason to believe their star big man can get back to his best.

Yet last year, when he looked for the energy and motivation to plough into the next marking contest, or sprint across the turf, the tank was often empty.

As a 201cm ruckman, where aggression counts, it was a big problem.

“You need to be committed to jumping into your opponent, getting whacked, and if you don’t have that desire or that commitment, it makes it bloody hard to play that position,” he said.

“And I just didn’t have that. Mostly, I was very tired.

“The process that I have been through is a long and exhausting one and I don’t think you realise just how much it takes out of you mentally.

“And I think that is something that it took me until the middle of last season, that you realise just how exhausted I was.

“I didn’t want to come to training. I didn’t want to play but I don’t want to not play, either.”
He tried to push on, telling himself things would soon improve, on and off the field.

Goldstein has been one of the AFL’s most durable players, managing at least 19 games in each of the past eight seasons. That’s what he has always done, through injury and patchy form, just plough on.

But rumours began to circulate on social media about Goldstein’s family situation and even a potential trade from the Kangaroos.

Some opponents even taunted the 190-gamer on the field about personal matters.

Once incident against Port Adelaide in Round 16, 2016, in particular stung him.

“Yeah it did. It surprised me,” he said.

“Personally I didn’t think you could go there but they did and I think it was more that they didn’t give me the chance to get off the leash.

“Every time I thought I was free I had someone else come at me, so I think that was why I struggled in that game.”

The whole downward spiral felt pretty public, he said.

But it was not until Goldstein played “one of the worst games of my career” against Richmond in Round 11 last year that the cold hard reality hit him.

He had 14 possessions and had failed to take a mark for a second straight game.

Goldstein said he had hit rock bottom and football was far from fun.

He knew he needed help, and met with coach Brad Scott and football chief Cameron Joyce to map out a plan. He was dropped to the VFL.

“It was probably exacerbated by then by the performances I was putting out there, of course, but there were some pretty bad lows,” he said.

“I think Richmond before the bye last year was probably up there with one of my worst performances I have ever put out there on the footy field and I think that was one of the turning points around that break, because I realised that just how much I was struggling.
“It was probably good for me to go back and play a little bit in the VFL.

“As much as you don’t want to, and I feel like I could have probably turned stuff around away from it, but it was also probably a realisation how low I had fallen and how low I was feeling mentally.

“That was probably the catalyst to help me go back and start seeing someone again (for mental help) and start trying to sort out what was going on mentally and how to fix that.”

With the club’s encouragement, Goldstein began to prioritise his mental health, and put some appointments ahead of various club commitments.

“I was seeing someone throughout this whole process but then I probably dropped away from seeing her,” he said.

“When you are grinding through footy and grinding through training, doing stuff with the kids, making sure the kids are all sorted out and doing stuff for everyone else, I didn’t think I was or didn’t admit to myself that I wasn’t looking after myself.

“And I wasn’t happy or enjoying what I was doing.”

But in the last month of the regular season, the arrangements with his children were resolved.

The former gun junior basketballer saw some blue sky and pulled out season-high 11 marks over two games against St Kilda and Brisbane.

After the off-season break with his new partner Felicity, Goldstein resolved to reclaim his mantle as one of the league’s most influential big men.

He was re-energised, and motivated.

He has missed only one session, he said, this pre-season.

“I’m a different person now, and I think the people closest to me would agree,” he said.

“I’ve had a really good break and was able to get out of Australia and it was nice to not think about footy.

“I was able to do some training because you worry about skinfolds going through Switzerland eating cheese and chocolate, but I had a really good base before I went over.

“But I came back really looking forward to getting back to work and looking forward to the season, rather than dreading it, because I know that I have still got a lot of footy ahead of me.
“I know that I have still got my best footy ahead of me.”

And the reality is North need him. They need every cylinder firing if the young Roos are going to recapture the form which saw them stun grand finalist Adelaide last year, providing plenty of hope and optimism around the club’s attempted climb up the ladder this year.

They’re excited by the nucleus of talent grown, since making strong calls on the futures of a bunch of veterans at the end of 2016.

Goldstein, now the longest-serving player at the club, takes the leadership responsibility seriously, after admittedly, struggling with it last year.

“Two years ago I was probably not in the top 10 oldest at the club,” he said.

“But Robbie Thompson and Scotty Thompson were both drafted the year after me, so you do realise you have a responsibility to stand up a bit more.

“I don’t think I have been the greatest teammate because I have been a bit absent.

“But the club needs older guys now to stand up, even when we are not playing our best and lead from the front to help usher these younger guys through.

“That’s what I have been trying to do as best as I can this preseason.

“We are all really looking forward to the season and excited about what we can do together with such a young team.”
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on February 18, 2018, 08:52:43 PM
^Sounds like one worth considering. However at the end of the day, Preuss will be taking points from him.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 18, 2018, 08:52:50 PM
Very interesting read, and something I wasn't aware of was the stage that he apparently was at

Good luck to Todd

Feels kinda selfish talking SC worth after reading that, but I'm bringing him in!

Goldy and Gawn!
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on February 18, 2018, 08:56:39 PM
Very interesting read, and something I wasn't aware of was the stage that he apparently was at

Good luck to Todd

Feels kinda selfish talking SC worth after reading that, but I'm bringing him in!

Goldy and Gawn!
True, but this is an SC forum :P
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 18, 2018, 09:10:27 PM
Knew there was some personal things going on and that explains a lot.

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 18, 2018, 09:13:47 PM
^Sounds like one worth considering. However at the end of the day, Preuss will be taking points from him.

That's if they are played together. I'm not convinced they will be, it didn't work and surely the selectors at north can see that
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 18, 2018, 09:18:12 PM
^Sounds like one worth considering. However at the end of the day, Preuss will be taking points from him.

Not if Goldy revert back to form, clearly North's number 1 ruck.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on February 18, 2018, 09:25:27 PM
^Sounds like one worth considering. However at the end of the day, Preuss will be taking points from him.

That's if they are played together. I'm not convinced they will be, it didn't work and surely the selectors at north can see that
So how does that help Goldy? Preuss is the future and North are unlikely to be top eight again in Goldy's career. They need to get as many games as possible into Preuss so whether they play together or not I can't see him returning to his SC greatness. He is likely to improve on last year but also will either have decreased output with Preuss and/or will get rested for him.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 18, 2018, 09:33:58 PM
^Sounds like one worth considering. However at the end of the day, Preuss will be taking points from him.

That's if they are played together. I'm not convinced they will be, it didn't work and surely the selectors at north can see that
So how does that help Goldy? Preuss is the future and North are unlikely to be top eight again in Goldy's career. They need to get as many games as possible into Preuss so whether they play together or not I can't see him returning to his SC greatness. He is likely to improve on last year but also will either have decreased output with Preuss and/or will get rested for him.

Think there is a clear message given Majak is being trialed as a backman, my reading is that Goldy takes the majority of ruck work & Preuss can hone his forward craft. If North have made a public statement that Goldstein looks ripe for a 2015 repeat then that bodes well for a good stint in the middle. 
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 18, 2018, 11:31:15 PM
^Sounds like one worth considering. However at the end of the day, Preuss will be taking points from him.

That's if they are played together. I'm not convinced they will be, it didn't work and surely the selectors at north can see that
So how does that help Goldy? Preuss is the future and North are unlikely to be top eight again in Goldy's career. They need to get as many games as possible into Preuss so whether they play together or not I can't see him returning to his SC greatness. He is likely to improve on last year but also will either have decreased output with Preuss and/or will get rested for him.

Watch from the 35 second mark
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2018-02-16/rookies-to-watch-and-whos-the-no1-ruck

That to me says unless Preuss pulls out some very solid games up forward in the JLT he won't be in the side
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on February 19, 2018, 10:15:15 AM
This is making me really consider Goldy. Surely if North have come out and said he looks like he is back to his best they aren't going to play him as their second ruck?

He is practically the same price as Jacobs and the same age but the difference is Goldy has a much higher ceiling.

The bye is interesting though as having Gawn/Goldy out would hurt a lot in round 13 but would help in round 14 which is looking like the hardest one to cover.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: LordSneeze on February 19, 2018, 10:25:56 AM
I want them to not talk up Goldy, ive been all over him since SC opened and the more he gets talked about the less of a POD he will become.

People keep talking up the Preuss factor, but if you look into the stats (Not the SC points) you will soon realise there was other reasons behind the slightly lower scores in matches both played. Just a hint, bounces attended, HOTA, DE% might give you some help.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ricochet on February 19, 2018, 01:02:53 PM
^Sounds like one worth considering. However at the end of the day, Preuss will be taking points from him.

That's if they are played together. I'm not convinced they will be, it didn't work and surely the selectors at north can see that
So how does that help Goldy? Preuss is the future and North are unlikely to be top eight again in Goldy's career. They need to get as many games as possible into Preuss so whether they play together or not I can't see him returning to his SC greatness. He is likely to improve on last year but also will either have decreased output with Preuss and/or will get rested for him.

Watch from the 35 second mark
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2018-02-16/rookies-to-watch-and-whos-the-no1-ruck

That to me says unless Preuss pulls out some very solid games up forward in the JLT he won't be in the side
Good link there Quinny. I've definitely started to consider Goldy again now, but we'll have to see how they use Preuss
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on February 19, 2018, 01:44:22 PM
Seriously considering Jacobs and Goldy as my set and forget rucks. A lot though depends on rookies starting and whether I can afford the extra 23k,
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ricochet on February 19, 2018, 02:29:00 PM
Seriously considering Jacobs and Goldy as my set and forget rucks. A lot though depends on rookies starting and whether I can afford the extra 23k,
no Gawn??
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: GoLions on February 19, 2018, 02:33:54 PM
Seriously considering Jacobs and Goldy as my set and forget rucks. A lot though depends on rookies starting and whether I can afford the extra 23k,
no Gawn??
Maybe Ringo holds a grudge for Gawn getting rid of the beard last year. Can't think of any other reason not to start him tbh.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Huttabito on February 19, 2018, 02:35:07 PM
All things aside, I'd still want to see what they plan to do with Pruess first.

Average with: 77.5 (1/6 100+)
Average without: 102.8 (8/13 100+)

Had two shockers when Pruess played (32, 52) with the rest between 88-105, so not awful, but I'd still want more higher scores.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on February 19, 2018, 03:14:56 PM
Norf's got too many talls and don't know what do with them. Daw down back, Wood and Waite on wings and kids that can't get a game, Mckay/ Ed Vickers/Junker/hibberd. Don't know that we will learn much from JLT, tbh.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 19, 2018, 04:10:54 PM
This is gonna be one of those decisions that can't be made until Thursday night before round 1
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on February 19, 2018, 05:17:25 PM
This is gonna be one of those decisions that can't be made until Thursday night before round 1

Yep, Goldy's named, locked and loaded. Think this Preuss thing is being blown out of proportion. Goldy is Norf's number one ruck and it's just a case of who and how they fit his backup in the team.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 19, 2018, 05:37:20 PM
This is gonna be one of those decisions that can't be made until Thursday night before round 1

Yep, Goldy's named, locked and loaded. Think this Preuss thing is being blown out of proportion. Goldy is Norf's number one ruck and it's just a case of who and how they fit his backup in the team.

Agree

They dropped Preuss after R4 and he didn't return until R19 when Goldy was clearly going through a lot off field at that exact time
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 19, 2018, 05:40:22 PM
This is gonna be one of those decisions that can't be made until Thursday night before round 1

Yep, Goldy's named, locked and loaded. Think this Preuss thing is being blown out of proportion. Goldy is Norf's number one ruck and it's just a case of who and how they fit his backup in the team.

Agree

They dropped Preuss after R4 and he didn't return until R19 when Goldy was clearly going through a lot off field at that exact time

Yeah I agree as well. The theory that they will play Preuss ahead of Goldy to get games into him is nonsense. Goldy is the best ruckman in the comp and had a down year with a lot going on, I expect him to bounce back. And even if he doesn't and averages 95 it's not the end of the world, won't be many better either way
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on February 19, 2018, 09:32:53 PM
This is gonna be one of those decisions that can't be made until Thursday night before round 1

Yep, Goldy's named, locked and loaded. Think this Preuss thing is being blown out of proportion. Goldy is Norf's number one ruck and it's just a case of who and how they fit his backup in the team.

Agree

They dropped Preuss after R4 and he didn't return until R19 when Goldy was clearly going through a lot off field at that exact time

Yeah I agree as well. The theory that they will play Preuss ahead of Goldy to get games into him is nonsense. Goldy is the best ruckman in the comp and had a down year with a lot going on, I expect him to bounce back. And even if he doesn't and averages 95 it's not the end of the world, won't be many better either way
Don't think they'll play him ahead of Goldy, reckon they'll play both alongside each other. Which is equally concerning as they'll share game time, hitouts and SC points.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 19, 2018, 09:40:44 PM
INB4 Preuss plays less than 5 games  ;D
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: _wato on February 19, 2018, 09:49:02 PM
Goldy/Gawn
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: dmac07 on February 20, 2018, 12:51:39 PM
As per SEN, Nic Nat certain to miss start of season.

Was hoping both he and Lycett would start the season making Lycett more unique.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 20, 2018, 02:14:27 PM
As per SEN, Nic Nat certain to miss start of season.

Was hoping both he and Lycett would start the season making Lycett more unique.

Was hoping Nic Nat started round 1 and then pulled up sore and was rested round 2. Currently 37% ownership.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 20, 2018, 02:21:32 PM
As per SEN, Nic Nat certain to miss start of season.

Was hoping both he and Lycett would start the season making Lycett more unique.

Was hoping Nic Nat started round 1 and then pulled up sore and was rested round 2. Currently 37% ownership.
This might be something he may never fully recover from we may have seen the best of NN
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 20, 2018, 02:24:34 PM
As per SEN, Nic Nat certain to miss start of season.

Was hoping both he and Lycett would start the season making Lycett more unique.

Was hoping Nic Nat started round 1 and then pulled up sore and was rested round 2. Currently 37% ownership.
This might be something he may never fully recover from we may have seen the best of NN

Saw a good article citing Darcy, Primus & Rehn being a shadow of their former selves after knee recos. Naitanui's was worse apparently.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 20, 2018, 02:27:46 PM
This is gonna be one of those decisions that can't be made until Thursday night before round 1

Yep, Goldy's named, locked and loaded. Think this Preuss thing is being blown out of proportion. Goldy is Norf's number one ruck and it's just a case of who and how they fit his backup in the team.


Agree

They dropped Preuss after R4 and he didn't return until R19 when Goldy was clearly going through a lot off field at that exact time

Yeah I agree as well. The theory that they will play Preuss ahead of Goldy to get games into him is nonsense. Goldy is the best ruckman in the comp and had a down year with a lot going on, I expect him to bounce back. And even if he doesn't and averages 95 it's not the end of the world, won't be many better either way
Don't think they'll play him ahead of Goldy, reckon they'll play both alongside each other. Which is equally concerning as they'll share game time, hitouts and SC points.

That will rarely happen, neither of them are any good forward. Judging by what Scott is saying, Preuss is gonna have to show something pretty good up forward in the JLT for them to go with both
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 20, 2018, 03:57:13 PM
This is gonna be one of those decisions that can't be made until Thursday night before round 1

Yep, Goldy's named, locked and loaded. Think this Preuss thing is being blown out of proportion. Goldy is Norf's number one ruck and it's just a case of who and how they fit his backup in the team.


Agree

They dropped Preuss after R4 and he didn't return until R19 when Goldy was clearly going through a lot off field at that exact time

Yeah I agree as well. The theory that they will play Preuss ahead of Goldy to get games into him is nonsense. Goldy is the best ruckman in the comp and had a down year with a lot going on, I expect him to bounce back. And even if he doesn't and averages 95 it's not the end of the world, won't be many better either way
Don't think they'll play him ahead of Goldy, reckon they'll play both alongside each other. Which is equally concerning as they'll share game time, hitouts and SC points.

That will rarely happen, neither of them are any good forward. Judging by what Scott is saying, Preuss is gonna have to show something pretty good up forward in the JLT for them to go with both

Time to stop talking about Goldy!  ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on February 20, 2018, 04:30:45 PM
Goldy comes with a risk. Brad Scott talk is cheap.
NN continues to throw question marks around.
Just get Sauce.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 20, 2018, 04:59:48 PM
Goldy comes with a risk. Brad Scott talk is cheap.
NN continues to throw question marks around.
Just get Sauce.

Funny enough Sauce had more crap scores than Goldy last year.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on February 20, 2018, 05:01:34 PM
Goldy comes with a risk. Brad Scott talk is cheap.
NN continues to throw question marks around.
Just get Sauce.

Funny enough Sauce had more crap scores than Goldy last year.
That may be true but Preuss doesn't play for Adelaide and Sauce will likely play 22 games.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 20, 2018, 05:27:01 PM
This is gonna be one of those decisions that can't be made until Thursday night before round 1

Yep, Goldy's named, locked and loaded. Think this Preuss thing is being blown out of proportion. Goldy is Norf's number one ruck and it's just a case of who and how they fit his backup in the team.


Agree

They dropped Preuss after R4 and he didn't return until R19 when Goldy was clearly going through a lot off field at that exact time

Yeah I agree as well. The theory that they will play Preuss ahead of Goldy to get games into him is nonsense. Goldy is the best ruckman in the comp and had a down year with a lot going on, I expect him to bounce back. And even if he doesn't and averages 95 it's not the end of the world, won't be many better either way
Don't think they'll play him ahead of Goldy, reckon they'll play both alongside each other. Which is equally concerning as they'll share game time, hitouts and SC points.

That will rarely happen, neither of them are any good forward. Judging by what Scott is saying, Preuss is gonna have to show something pretty good up forward in the JLT for them to go with both

Time to stop talking about Goldy!  ;)

Agreed, I should never have opened my mouth haha
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: meow meow on February 20, 2018, 05:57:12 PM
Stefan is the correct answer.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Woppa15 on February 20, 2018, 06:05:12 PM
Grundy......

Will cox even play, he isn’t even any good
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 20, 2018, 08:56:53 PM
Grundy......

Will cox even play, he isn’t even any good

They don't have a choice though, their only other key forward is Darcy Moore and bucks has said they are going to play him back.
I guess they could just go with Reid forward but thats hardly a safe plan given his injury history
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: meow meow on February 20, 2018, 09:03:10 PM
Grundy......

Will cox even play, he isn’t even any good

Averages close to 2 goals a game when playing as a key forward. 40 goals a season wouldn't be a bad return for a guy who isn't any good.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Samsturmfels on February 20, 2018, 09:18:49 PM
Quite confident Cox will regularly be getting games due to the lack of KPP the Pies have. With moore going back, it leaves Reid and Cox to be the tall forwards.
However in saying that, Grundy is still currently in my team. He's still developing and has played 60 games in the last 3 years which shows his durability. When looking at the top 15 rucks, in my opinion has the most potential upside due to not even in his prime yet (still only 23)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on February 20, 2018, 10:00:27 PM
Goldy comes with a risk. Brad Scott talk is cheap.
NN continues to throw question marks around.
Just get Sauce.

Funny enough Sauce had more crap scores than Goldy last year.
That may be true but Preuss doesn't play for Adelaide and Sauce will likely play 22 games.

Sauce don't need Preuss to turn out sub-par scores.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: fasttrack13 on February 21, 2018, 04:25:43 PM
Goldy comes with a risk. Brad Scott talk is cheap.
NN continues to throw question marks around.
Just get Sauce.

Funny enough Sauce had more crap scores than Goldy last year.
That may be true but Preuss doesn't play for Adelaide and Sauce will likely play 22 games.

Sauce don't need Preuss to turn out sub-par scores.

Preuss does not play when Wood, Waite and Brown are your key talls. Goldy got through the whole preseason this year, only reason preuss played early was because goldy was underdone. Goldy went 101 w/o preuss as well.
My only concern with Goldstein is Wood's knack of getting injured. Opens that door...

Sauce going over 100 is unlikely.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on February 21, 2018, 04:48:38 PM
Goldy comes with a risk. Brad Scott talk is cheap.
NN continues to throw question marks around.
Just get Sauce.

Funny enough Sauce had more crap scores than Goldy last year.
That may be true but Preuss doesn't play for Adelaide and Sauce will likely play 22 games.

Sauce don't need Preuss to turn out sub-par scores.

Preuss does not play when Wood, Waite and Brown are your key talls. Goldy got through the whole preseason this year, only reason preuss played early was because goldy was underdone. Goldy went 101 w/o preuss as well.
My only concern with Goldstein is Wood's knack of getting injured. Opens that door...

Sauce going over 100 is unlikely.
Can we please stop talking about Goldy.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: fasttrack13 on February 21, 2018, 04:58:37 PM
Goldy comes with a risk. Brad Scott talk is cheap.
NN continues to throw question marks around.
Just get Sauce.

Funny enough Sauce had more crap scores than Goldy last year.
That may be true but Preuss doesn't play for Adelaide and Sauce will likely play 22 games.

Sauce don't need Preuss to turn out sub-par scores.

Preuss does not play when Wood, Waite and Brown are your key talls. Goldy got through the whole preseason this year, only reason preuss played early was because goldy was underdone. Goldy went 101 w/o preuss as well.
My only concern with Goldstein is Wood's knack of getting injured. Opens that door...

Sauce going over 100 is unlikely.
Can we please stop talking about Goldy.

#Kroozstein
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 21, 2018, 05:06:05 PM
Goldy comes with a risk. Brad Scott talk is cheap.
NN continues to throw question marks around.
Just get Sauce.

Funny enough Sauce had more crap scores than Goldy last year.
That may be true but Preuss doesn't play for Adelaide and Sauce will likely play 22 games.

Sauce don't need Preuss to turn out sub-par scores.

Preuss does not play when Wood, Waite and Brown are your key talls. Goldy got through the whole preseason this year, only reason preuss played early was because goldy was underdone. Goldy went 101 w/o preuss as well.
My only concern with Goldstein is Wood's knack of getting injured. Opens that door...

Sauce going over 100 is unlikely.
Can we please stop talking about Goldy.

Goldy at 3%, be interesting to see how many will flock to him once Nic Nat pulls out (although I'm hoping he's named). The latest is he'll be right for JLT.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-21/eagles-still-targeting-jlt-return-for-nic-nat
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 21, 2018, 05:09:46 PM
Goldy comes with a risk. Brad Scott talk is cheap.
NN continues to throw question marks around.
Just get Sauce.

Funny enough Sauce had more crap scores than Goldy last year.
That may be true but Preuss doesn't play for Adelaide and Sauce will likely play 22 games.

Sauce don't need Preuss to turn out sub-par scores.

Preuss does not play when Wood, Waite and Brown are your key talls. Goldy got through the whole preseason this year, only reason preuss played early was because goldy was underdone. Goldy went 101 w/o preuss as well.
My only concern with Goldstein is Wood's knack of getting injured. Opens that door...

Sauce going over 100 is unlikely.
Can we please stop talking about Goldy.

Goldy at 3%, be interesting to see how many will flock to him once Nic Nat pulls out (although I'm hoping he's named). The latest is he'll be right for JLT.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-21/eagles-still-targeting-jlt-return-for-nic-nat

Ive been on Nicnat and backing him in if he gets up for Round 1 but the more I look at Goldy/Gawn in my rucks the more I reminisce about 2 years ago when I had them dominating there all year
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 21, 2018, 05:13:35 PM
Goldy comes with a risk. Brad Scott talk is cheap.
NN continues to throw question marks around.
Just get Sauce.

Funny enough Sauce had more crap scores than Goldy last year.
That may be true but Preuss doesn't play for Adelaide and Sauce will likely play 22 games.

Sauce don't need Preuss to turn out sub-par scores.

Preuss does not play when Wood, Waite and Brown are your key talls. Goldy got through the whole preseason this year, only reason preuss played early was because goldy was underdone. Goldy went 101 w/o preuss as well.
My only concern with Goldstein is Wood's knack of getting injured. Opens that door...

Sauce going over 100 is unlikely.
Can we please stop talking about Goldy.

Goldy at 3%, be interesting to see how many will flock to him once Nic Nat pulls out (although I'm hoping he's named). The latest is he'll be right for JLT.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-21/eagles-still-targeting-jlt-return-for-nic-nat

Ive been on Nicnat and backing him in if he gets up for Round 1 but the more I look at Goldy/Gawn in my rucks the more I reminisce about 2 years ago when I had them dominating there all year

Hope you've done your crisis training, Nic Nat gets rested in the first few rounds and what's the back-up? Can't go sideways because he's the cheapest premo, can't really go down unless you want Lycett but you'll have to eventually trade him out as well. Believe me, Nic Nat fits my structure beautifully but the downside is immense, especially if it's a one weeker.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 21, 2018, 05:17:24 PM
Goldy comes with a risk. Brad Scott talk is cheap.
NN continues to throw question marks around.
Just get Sauce.

Funny enough Sauce had more crap scores than Goldy last year.
That may be true but Preuss doesn't play for Adelaide and Sauce will likely play 22 games.

Sauce don't need Preuss to turn out sub-par scores.

Preuss does not play when Wood, Waite and Brown are your key talls. Goldy got through the whole preseason this year, only reason preuss played early was because goldy was underdone. Goldy went 101 w/o preuss as well.
My only concern with Goldstein is Wood's knack of getting injured. Opens that door...

Sauce going over 100 is unlikely.
Can we please stop talking about Goldy.

Goldy at 3%, be interesting to see how many will flock to him once Nic Nat pulls out (although I'm hoping he's named). The latest is he'll be right for JLT.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-21/eagles-still-targeting-jlt-return-for-nic-nat

Ive been on Nicnat and backing him in if he gets up for Round 1 but the more I look at Goldy/Gawn in my rucks the more I reminisce about 2 years ago when I had them dominating there all year

Hope you've done your crisis training, Nic Nat gets rested in the first few rounds and what's the back-up? Can't go sideways because he's the cheapest premo, can't really go down unless you want Lycett but you'll have to trade him eventually out as well. Believe me, Nic Nat fits my structure beautifully but the downside is immense, especially if it's a one weeker.

That's exactly why I'm warming to the big boy from North. Just looks better alongside Gawn.
I have LDU, Brodie, and Stephenson as high priced rookies in my side so dropping just one of them to a cheaper rookie means I can change Nicnat to Goldy. Just need to see who's available come round 1
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Nige on February 21, 2018, 05:43:20 PM
Pretty simple solution here is go Naismith/Sinclair with Cameron at R3.

You'll be laughing!

Pack 'er up gang, we're done here.  8)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: GoLions on February 21, 2018, 05:47:23 PM
Pretty simple solution here is go Naismith/Sinclair with Cameron at R3.

You'll be laughing!

Pack 'er up gang, we're done here.  8)
UTG team name?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Nige on February 21, 2018, 05:50:24 PM
Pretty simple solution here is go Naismith/Sinclair with Cameron at R3.

You'll be laughing!

Pack 'er up gang, we're done here.  8)
UTG team name?
Go Pack Yourself.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on February 21, 2018, 05:50:51 PM
Pretty simple solution here is go Naismith/Sinclair with Cameron at R3.

You'll be laughing!

Pack 'er up gang, we're done here.  8)
Ha I've thought more than once about doing this.
Then I think Sinclair/Naismith get injured,Longmire chucks Aliir in as back up to the survivor and Cameron doesn't play till round 15.
Can't see any of them scoring well enough either, although Aliir would be value at his price.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on February 21, 2018, 05:54:46 PM
Pretty simple solution here is go Naismith/Sinclair with Cameron at R3.

You'll be laughing!

Pack 'er up gang, we're done here.  8)

for 1.1 mil you could go Nic Nat, Vardy, Lycett about the same as goldy gawn olango  :o
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Nige on February 21, 2018, 05:59:09 PM
If you're feeling lucky, why not try the Sandi/Darcy/Jones trio? I don't wanna say it's money for jam, but it's money for jam!  8)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on February 21, 2018, 06:23:30 PM
If you're feeling lucky, why not try the Sandi/Darcy/Jones trio? I don't wanna say it's money for jam, but it's money for jam!  8)

But Capt Strndica might get another game. He got many last season.   :D
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on February 22, 2018, 01:35:03 PM
Jacobs seems the obvious pick at 2.

There are no obvious standouts so a high 90s from jacob seems great. You will likely not have to worry about that spot all year and can use r3 as a non playing guy to get the captain loophole.

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 22, 2018, 01:40:44 PM
Jacobs seems the obvious pick at 2.

There are no obvious standouts so a high 90s from jacob seems great. You will likely not have to worry about that spot all year and can use r3 as a non playing guy to get the captain loophole.

You sure your not hoarding Goldy at R1?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 22, 2018, 02:07:05 PM
Jacobs seems the obvious pick at 2.

There are no obvious standouts so a high 90s from jacob seems great. You will likely not have to worry about that spot all year and can use r3 as a non playing guy to get the captain loophole.

You sure your not hoarding Goldy at R1?

 ;D ;D ;D 100% he is!
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 22, 2018, 02:12:12 PM
Jacobs seems the obvious pick at 2.

There are no obvious standouts so a high 90s from jacob seems great. You will likely not have to worry about that spot all year and can use r3 as a non playing guy to get the captain loophole.


Just can't get excited about Jacobs even though the Crows are playing excellent footy he just throws in to many very average scores don't know if I want that all year
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on February 22, 2018, 10:51:03 PM
I have goldy gawn at the moment of course.

But jacobs is the safe pick.

In response to shaker jacobs isnt an exciting pick he is just  a meh good enough. So you dont gain or lose in that spot.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on February 23, 2018, 10:03:27 AM
Jacobs, Gawn for me currently. Will be tempted to bring in Lycett though if he is named round 1. Would give the funds to make some worthwhile upgrades elsewhere.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: smashbox on February 23, 2018, 03:55:31 PM
I'm considering lycett as well with an aim to see who the next best ruck is after Gawn and bring them in post bye
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: eaglesman on February 23, 2018, 05:38:17 PM
What’s Lycetts ownership?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on February 23, 2018, 05:45:43 PM
2%
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 23, 2018, 06:11:58 PM
I'm considering lycett as well with an aim to see who the next best ruck is after Gawn and bring them in post bye

If I was doing that I'd aim for Ryder after rd 9. Will be super handy to have through the byes too
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ingram on February 23, 2018, 08:37:43 PM
Dawson looked ok today?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Jalapeno on February 23, 2018, 09:16:31 PM
Kreuzer
Goldy
Gawn
Ryder
Grundy
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on February 24, 2018, 12:18:07 AM
Dawson looked ok today?

Did Lobb play? or Dawson one out.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 24, 2018, 01:35:40 AM
Dawson looked ok today?

Did Lobb play? or Dawson one out.

Lobb didnt play. Still injured
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ricochet on February 24, 2018, 10:19:12 AM
Dawson looked ok today?

Did Lobb play? or Dawson one out.

Lobb didnt play. Still injured
Think he's just returned to the main group so still a fair bit off playing
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on February 24, 2018, 10:42:22 AM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-24/new-goal-as-blues-star-goes-on-the-attack

Quote
He is confident the arrival of fellow ruckman Matt Lobbe from Port Adelaide will enable him to spend more time in attack this season, but is also determined to push forward more often when he is in the ruck.

"The way the game is going you've got to be able to play those multiple positions, so (I'm looking to) spend a little bit more time forward and also at getting down there while I'm in the ruck," Kreuzer said.

"Matt's a great athlete and he can play those two positions as well. We've been working well together over the pre-season."

He was low on my list due to price but comments like these pretty much put line though him
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: GoLions on February 24, 2018, 11:18:02 AM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-24/new-goal-as-blues-star-goes-on-the-attack

Quote
He is confident the arrival of fellow ruckman Matt Lobbe from Port Adelaide will enable him to spend more time in attack this season, but is also determined to push forward more often when he is in the ruck.

"The way the game is going you've got to be able to play those multiple positions, so (I'm looking to) spend a little bit more time forward and also at getting down there while I'm in the ruck," Kreuzer said.

"Matt's a great athlete and he can play those two positions as well. We've been working well together over the pre-season."

He was low on my list due to price but comments like these pretty much put line though him
Matty Lobbe...253k... :P
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 24, 2018, 12:17:17 PM
Hmmm kind of implies that Lobbe might actually be best 22 and they plan on playing both of them

If so, Lobbe at R2 could be an option, but we'd need to see more first

Lobbe/Lycett at R2 is in play now - could be an option starting one of them
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on February 24, 2018, 12:19:39 PM
Hmmm kind of implies that Lobbe might actually be best 22 and they plan on playing both of them

If so, Lobbe at R2 could be an option, but we'd need to see more first

Lobbe/Lycett at R2 is in play now - could be an option starting one of them
Don't know if I would have stones to go Lobbe at R2 Lycett maybe
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on February 24, 2018, 02:02:48 PM
Hmmm kind of implies that Lobbe might actually be best 22 and they plan on playing both of them

If so, Lobbe at R2 could be an option, but we'd need to see more first

Lobbe/Lycett at R2 is in play now - could be an option starting one of them
Don't know if I would have stones to go Lobbe at R2 Lycett maybe

Yeah Lycett has shown his capable of scoring well with Nic Nat playing, its just the Vardy factor is the problem
Lobbe  I can't see him averaging over 70 and might not play every game either
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on February 24, 2018, 02:05:41 PM
Hmmm kind of implies that Lobbe might actually be best 22 and they plan on playing both of them

If so, Lobbe at R2 could be an option, but we'd need to see more first

Lobbe/Lycett at R2 is in play now - could be an option starting one of them

Good luck if he's dropped for poor form, Lobbe is a dinosaur.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: eaglesman on February 24, 2018, 10:03:02 PM
Hmmm kind of implies that Lobbe might actually be best 22 and they plan on playing both of them

If so, Lobbe at R2 could be an option, but we'd need to see more first

Lobbe/Lycett at R2 is in play now - could be an option starting one of them

Good luck if he's dropped for poor form, Lobbe is a dinosaur.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 24, 2018, 10:44:11 PM
Lobbe at R2 is a trap unless Kreuzer has an LTI.
His scores are terrible when he shares the ruck and will only be one game away from Getting dropped or Carlton will be one bad game away from throwing the idea out and realising they can't play 2 rucks
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: eaglesman on February 24, 2018, 10:48:12 PM
Lobbe at R2 is a trap unless Kreuzer has an LTI.
His scores are terrible when he shares the ruck and will only be one game away from Getting dropped or Carlton will be one bad game away from throwing the idea out and realising they can't play 2 rucks
May have been a bit harsh saying you had no idea in the Ablett thread hahah ... you been spot on with Last few comments hahaha
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 25, 2018, 12:12:32 AM
Lobbe at R2 is a trap unless Kreuzer has an LTI.
His scores are terrible when he shares the ruck and will only be one game away from Getting dropped or Carlton will be one bad game away from throwing the idea out and realising they can't play 2 rucks
May have been a bit harsh saying you had no idea in the Ablett thread hahah ... you been spot on with Last few comments hahaha

Haha I'm happy for the little master to prove me wrong
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: smashbox on February 26, 2018, 11:12:59 AM
I cant see Lobbe playing. Kruez was phenomenal last year being the solo ruck.
IMO it will be kruze 80%, Casboult 20%.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: fasttrack13 on February 26, 2018, 11:29:02 AM
I cant see Lobbe playing. Kruez was phenomenal last year being the solo ruck.
IMO it will be kruze 80%, Casboult 20%.

Injury would be the only thing stopping kreuzer from going 110+
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: dmac07 on February 26, 2018, 05:06:48 PM
I cant see Lobbe playing. Kruez was phenomenal last year being the solo ruck.
IMO it will be kruze 80%, Casboult 20%.

Injury would be the only thing stopping kreuzer from going 110+

Kruezer and injury or synonymous with each other.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on February 26, 2018, 05:24:42 PM
Might have a crack at a Gawnilands combo. Hodor's calf injury may ensure a solo Sandi for the first half of the season, and the big fella looks in ripping nick. 10 games at 100 before a straight swap to Ryder/Witts after their bye looks delicious.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Huttabito on February 26, 2018, 05:37:57 PM
Might have a crack at a Gawnilands combo. Hodor's calf injury may ensure a solo Sandi for the first half of the season, and the big fella looks in ripping nick. 10 games at 100 before a straight swap to Ryder/Witts after their bye looks delicious.
I thought I recall that Darcy seems to be over his calf issue and completed a full training session last week?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on February 26, 2018, 05:59:35 PM
Might have a crack at a Gawnilands combo. Hodor's calf injury may ensure a solo Sandi for the first half of the season, and the big fella looks in ripping nick. 10 games at 100 before a straight swap to Ryder/Witts after their bye looks delicious.
I thought I recall that Darcy seems to be over his calf issue and completed a full training session last week?

He might have. RTB said a few days ago he's 'hopeful' that Darcy will be right for the second JLT game. Either way, I don't think he'll be in the side at least until the bye (barring injury to Sandi). IF he does play before then, he'll be predominately up forward and shouldn't affect 211 too much.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bubbles on February 26, 2018, 06:44:57 PM
What about Big Boy McEvoy? Not saying I have him or want to pick him but would be interesting if anyone has. Don’t think I’ve seen his name mentioned on here
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jvalles69 on February 26, 2018, 06:50:20 PM
Noones spoken about the fact that Gawn and Goldy have the same bye...seems to throw a spanner in the works.  :-\
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: GoLions on February 26, 2018, 06:51:38 PM
Noones spoken about the fact that Gawn and Goldy have the same bye...seems to throw a spanner in the works.  :-\
A lot of people have. But tbh it is probably a good thing as it's more players we have for the R14 bye :P
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jvalles69 on February 26, 2018, 07:00:33 PM
Noones spoken about the fact that Gawn and Goldy have the same bye...seems to throw a spanner in the works.  :-\
A lot of people have. But tbh it is probably a good thing as it's more players we have for the R14 bye :P

Maybe I just hadn't noticed as I only looked at the bye fixtures today.  Is it the same as AF where top 18 players scores count?  Can't remember from last season...
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 26, 2018, 07:07:43 PM
Noones spoken about the fact that Gawn and Goldy have the same bye...seems to throw a spanner in the works.  :-\
A lot of people have. But tbh it is probably a good thing as it's more players we have for the R14 bye :P

Maybe I just hadn't noticed as I only looked at the bye fixtures today.  Is it the same as AF where top 18 players scores count?  Can't remember from last season...

Yes it's top 18 so shouldn't be too much if an issue
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jvalles69 on February 26, 2018, 07:17:44 PM
Noones spoken about the fact that Gawn and Goldy have the same bye...seems to throw a spanner in the works.  :-\
A lot of people have. But tbh it is probably a good thing as it's more players we have for the R14 bye :P

Maybe I just hadn't noticed as I only looked at the bye fixtures today.  Is it the same as AF where top 18 players scores count?  Can't remember from last season...

Yes it's top 18 so shouldn't be too much if an issue

Yeah cool, makes things a bit better.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: LordSneeze on February 27, 2018, 09:35:51 AM
Im not worried about the bye issue, as im really good in that bye for the rest of my team.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Colty on February 27, 2018, 11:55:41 AM
SO where is Nic Nat at? is he viable?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on February 27, 2018, 11:58:07 AM
SO where is Nic Nat at? is he viable?

Will probably line up round 1 but is guaranteed to miss some games
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Colty on February 27, 2018, 12:00:09 PM
SO where is Nic Nat at? is he viable?

Will probably line up round 1 but is guaranteed to miss some games

I think im going to take the punt, if he comes off hes a great POD. could run Lycett as R3 JIC.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on February 27, 2018, 01:07:05 PM
SO where is Nic Nat at? is he viable?

Will probably line up round 1 but is guaranteed to miss some games

I think im going to take the punt, if he comes off hes a great POD. could run Lycett as R3 JIC.
Yeah you could but that would cost about 740 k. 465 + 275.
For 520 + 120 or 100 k less u could have Jacobs/Grundy + Cameron.
That's 100k extra u are missing from the rest of the team.
If NN gets 1-2 week rests you would have 465+ k sitting on the pine each time. Or use two trades to go to Sauce or even Ryder/Kreuz who you could just start with anyway.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: HappyDEZ on February 27, 2018, 01:34:52 PM
Gawn is a lock. As for R2 I am taking a punt on Zac Smith. He looks set to further improve on his output as Geelongs first ruck. If he can move from 11th to the top 5 or 6 scoring ruckman in the comp I will take that. Touch wood.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on February 27, 2018, 02:25:45 PM
Gawn is a lock. As for R2 I am taking a punt on Zac Smith. He looks set to further improve on his output as Geelongs first ruck. If he can move from 11th to the top 5 or 6 scoring ruckman in the comp I will take that. Touch wood.
Looked at Smith but he has the dreaded Rd 14 bye as well so one of the downsides,
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: HappyDEZ on February 27, 2018, 02:55:14 PM
Gawn is a lock. As for R2 I am taking a punt on Zac Smith. He looks set to further improve on his output as Geelongs first ruck. If he can move from 11th to the top 5 or 6 scoring ruckman in the comp I will take that. Touch wood.
Looked at Smith but he has the dreaded Rd 14 bye as well so one of the downsides,
Apart from not picking Port/GC players (I only have Dom Barry at this stage) I don't really look at the byes but i just had a look & I see what you mean. R14 has a lot of premos.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on February 27, 2018, 03:02:26 PM
Gawn is a lock. As for R2 I am taking a punt on Zac Smith. He looks set to further improve on his output as Geelongs first ruck. If he can move from 11th to the top 5 or 6 scoring ruckman in the comp I will take that. Touch wood.
Looked at Smith but he has the dreaded Rd 14 bye as well so one of the downsides,
Apart from not picking Port/GC players (I only have Dom Barry at this stage) I don't really look at the byes but i just had a look & I see what you mean. R14 has a lot of premos.

It's a nightmare.. especially for the midfield.

Danger, Dusty, Fyfe, Crouch, Selwood, Ablett, Sloane, Neale, Gibbs, the Sydney mids. There could literally be 9 of the top 10 coming from that bye group
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Colty on March 01, 2018, 10:15:34 AM
So is everyone just going with no ruck cover? Cameron wont play for the Swans and if he does it will be fleeting. Only option is bench cover with Lycett which I posted in the Lycett thread.
Its that gamble of do I burn a trade or have 277k sitting on the pine in case there is an injury. Would be annoying for example if gawn went down for 2 weeks and you had to make a trade or eat donut.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Samsturmfels on March 01, 2018, 12:21:04 PM
So is everyone just going with no ruck cover? Cameron wont play for the Swans and if he does it will be fleeting. Only option is bench cover with Lycett which I posted in the Lycett thread.
Its that gamble of do I burn a trade or have 277k sitting on the pine in case there is an injury. Would be annoying for example if gawn went down for 2 weeks and you had to make a trade or eat donut.
too much cash to have sitting on the bench, would rather a rookie and hope for the best. The cash could be potentially used better else where such as in the midfield to upgrade a rookie to an expensive one or even a midpricer such as griffen/o'merea/armitage
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Colty on March 01, 2018, 12:26:57 PM
So is everyone just going with no ruck cover? Cameron wont play for the Swans and if he does it will be fleeting. Only option is bench cover with Lycett which I posted in the Lycett thread.
Its that gamble of do I burn a trade or have 277k sitting on the pine in case there is an injury. Would be annoying for example if gawn went down for 2 weeks and you had to make a trade or eat donut.
too much cash to have sitting on the bench, would rather a rookie and hope for the best. The cash could be potentially used better else where such as in the midfield to upgrade a rookie to an expensive one or even a midpricer such as griffen/o'merea/armitage
How many rookie rucks are there though? I dont know of any.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on March 01, 2018, 05:01:27 PM
With the lack of a low priced ruck possible start happy to go with 2 prems and use injury trades to sideways if need be.
So perma donut and C for vc loophole Olonga at $103k sits at R3. Cash used elsewhere eg JOM ar M6.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on March 01, 2018, 05:07:41 PM
With the lack of a low priced ruck possible start happy to go with 2 prems and use injury trades to sideways if need be.
So perma donut and C for vc loophole Olonga at $103k sits at R3. Cash used elsewhere eg JOM ar M6.

Yep same for me. The only major issue is  having someone like Gawn averaging 110 and having to be traded for a 1 or 2 week injury/suspension. You bring in a guy that's averaging 100 and then just miss out on Gawn the rest of the year?
Not an issue if it's a long term sintt on the sidelines but it's the short stints that are going to hurt
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on March 01, 2018, 05:14:40 PM
With the lack of a low priced ruck possible start happy to go with 2 prems and use injury trades to sideways if need be.
So perma donut and C for vc loophole Olonga at $103k sits at R3. Cash used elsewhere eg JOM ar M6.

Yep same for me. The only major issue is  having someone like Gawn averaging 110 and having to be traded for a 1 or 2 week injury/suspension. You bring in a guy that's averaging 100 and then just miss out on Gawn the rest of the year?
Not an issue if it's a long term sintt on the sidelines but it's the short stints that are going to hurt

Gawn and Ryder both averaging 110 plus, no one else is with in 15 pts, Gawn goes done with a LTI in round 8, Ryder has the dreaded rd10 bye.... What do you do????  :'( :P
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on March 01, 2018, 05:37:17 PM
With the lack of a low priced ruck possible start happy to go with 2 prems and use injury trades to sideways if need be.
So perma donut and C for vc loophole Olonga at $103k sits at R3. Cash used elsewhere eg JOM ar M6.

Yep same for me. The only major issue is  having someone like Gawn averaging 110 and having to be traded for a 1 or 2 week injury/suspension. You bring in a guy that's averaging 100 and then just miss out on Gawn the rest of the year?
Not an issue if it's a long term sintt on the sidelines but it's the short stints that are going to hurt

Gawn and Ryder both averaging 110 plus, no one else is with in 15 pts, Gawn goes done with a LTI in round 8, Ryder has the dreaded rd10 bye.... What do you do????  :'( :P

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Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on March 01, 2018, 05:43:19 PM
With the lack of a low priced ruck possible start happy to go with 2 prems and use injury trades to sideways if need be.
So perma donut and C for vc loophole Olonga at $103k sits at R3. Cash used elsewhere eg JOM ar M6.

Yep same for me. The only major issue is  having someone like Gawn averaging 110 and having to be traded for a 1 or 2 week injury/suspension. You bring in a guy that's averaging 100 and then just miss out on Gawn the rest of the year?
Not an issue if it's a long term sintt on the sidelines but it's the short stints that are going to hurt

Gawn and Ryder both averaging 110 plus, no one else is with in 15 pts, Gawn goes done with a LTI in round 8, Ryder has the dreaded rd10 bye.... What do you do????  :'( :P
Can't see Kreuzer dropping that much mate.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on March 01, 2018, 05:49:12 PM
With the lack of a low priced ruck possible start happy to go with 2 prems and use injury trades to sideways if need be.
So perma donut and C for vc loophole Olonga at $103k sits at R3. Cash used elsewhere eg JOM ar M6.

Yep same for me. The only major issue is  having someone like Gawn averaging 110 and having to be traded for a 1 or 2 week injury/suspension. You bring in a guy that's averaging 100 and then just miss out on Gawn the rest of the year?
Not an issue if it's a long term sintt on the sidelines but it's the short stints that are going to hurt

Gawn and Ryder both averaging 110 plus, no one else is with in 15 pts, Gawn goes done with a LTI in round 8, Ryder has the dreaded rd10 bye.... What do you do????  :'( :P
Can't see Kreuzer dropping that much mate.

Haha yeah I was just being dick :)

Kreuz looked good last night really can't see them playing Lobbe
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on March 01, 2018, 05:53:07 PM
With the lack of a low priced ruck possible start happy to go with 2 prems and use injury trades to sideways if need be.
So perma donut and C for vc loophole Olonga at $103k sits at R3. Cash used elsewhere eg JOM ar M6.

Yep same for me. The only major issue is  having someone like Gawn averaging 110 and having to be traded for a 1 or 2 week injury/suspension. You bring in a guy that's averaging 100 and then just miss out on Gawn the rest of the year?
Not an issue if it's a long term sintt on the sidelines but it's the short stints that are going to hurt

Gawn and Ryder both averaging 110 plus, no one else is with in 15 pts, Gawn goes done with a LTI in round 8, Ryder has the dreaded rd10 bye.... What do you do????  :'( :P

Trade in Goldy

Im not as optimistic on Goldy as you are but i can see him coming within 5 points of 115. Asking for anything more then 120 from Goldy is a tough ask but he can do it.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: hawkers65 on March 01, 2018, 06:48:15 PM
Kruezer is in 7% of teams flower me... its gonna make me pick him. 120 points in second gear and the perfect bye
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on March 01, 2018, 09:35:42 PM
There's no way I could pay that much for Kreuzer. He is a gun but i honestly don't feel like there will be that much between him and Goldstein
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RoughRed on March 02, 2018, 01:56:12 AM
There's no way I could pay that much for Kreuzer. He is a gun but i honestly don't feel like there will be that much between him and Goldstein
+1
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: dmac07 on March 02, 2018, 12:40:44 PM
Anyone considering Grundy?

Averaged 97 last year, not much injury history, one of the only top rucks that still has natural development left in his game.

Cox getting more game time makes it a bit more unknown but I still think Grundy spends most of his time in the ruck.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Colty on March 02, 2018, 12:59:18 PM
Anyone considering Grundy?

Averaged 97 last year, not much injury history, one of the only top rucks that still has natural development left in his game.

Cox getting more game time makes it a bit more unknown but I still think Grundy spends most of his time in the ruck.

I thought about it but I just cant fork that sort of money for a bloke whos never really got it done. I'm going Kruez and hoping he doesnt get hurt.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: fasttrack13 on March 02, 2018, 01:04:07 PM
There's no way I could pay that much for Kreuzer. He is a gun but i honestly don't feel like there will be that much between him and Goldstein

It's only 600k, compared to what we've forked out for Gawn and Goldstein in the pass... Unlike those two Kreuzer was a number 1 pick! Only player i see beating him or having a chance is Gawn!
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Levi434 on March 02, 2018, 01:27:04 PM
Kreuz looked amazing in JLT1. He looks like he's finally put injury woes behind him and now has some serious continuity to his game. I don't know if he can back up his 2017, but even if he drops 4-5 points he'll still probably be a top 2 ruck.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on March 02, 2018, 01:34:24 PM
There's no way I could pay that much for Kreuzer. He is a gun but i honestly don't feel like there will be that much between him and Goldstein

It's only 600k, compared to what we've forked out for Gawn and Goldstein in the pass... Unlike those two Kreuzer was a number 1 pick! Only player i see beating him or having a chance is Gawn!

wouldnt even put Goldy and Kreuz in the same sentence, number 1 pick means nothing. Goldy is one year younger but here are the stats.


90+ seasons
Goldy 7 Kreuz 3

100+ seasons
Goldy 5 Kreuz 1

110+ seasons
Goldy 3 Kreuz 0

125+ seasons
Goldy 1 kreuz 0

so yes we have paid these kind of prices for Goldy in the past but he has put up great numbers year after year.

last 7 years


Goldy 94% games played for a 109 average
Kreuz 68% games played for a 90 average





Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Levi434 on March 02, 2018, 01:38:16 PM
Goldy 94% games played for a 109 average
Kreuz 68% games played for a 90 average


Interesting stats Holz.

But this^^^ is the only stat we need to look at. Continuity means something at the top level. It's fair to say that if Kreuz played 94% of games he'd have many better seasons.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 02, 2018, 01:45:10 PM
There's no way I could pay that much for Kreuzer. He is a gun but i honestly don't feel like there will be that much between him and Goldstein

It's only 600k, compared to what we've forked out for Gawn and Goldstein in the pass... Unlike those two Kreuzer was a number 1 pick! Only player i see beating him or having a chance is Gawn!

wouldnt even put Goldy and Kreuz in the same sentence, number 1 pick means nothing. Goldy is one year younger but here are the stats.


90+ seasons
Goldy 7 Kreuz 3

100+ seasons
Goldy 5 Kreuz 1

110+ seasons
Goldy 3 Kreuz 0

125+ seasons
Goldy 1 kreuz 0

so yes we have paid these kind of prices for Goldy in the past but he has put up great numbers year after year.

last 7 years


Goldy 94% games played for a 109 average
Kreuz 68% games played for a 90 average


Quit talking up Goldy!!  ;D
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on March 02, 2018, 02:13:27 PM
Goldy 94% games played for a 109 average
Kreuz 68% games played for a 90 average


Interesting stats Holz.

But this^^^ is the only stat we need to look at. Continuity means something at the top level. It's fair to say that if Kreuz played 94% of games he'd have many better seasons.

well yes he would. but he has a career best year last year and he only pumped out 109. his best before that was a 98.

Goldy just had a shocking year and he still went 95.

I could also easily argue if Goldy wasnt injured in the preseason, injured round 1 and having off-field issues then he could have beaten Kreuz last year.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on March 02, 2018, 02:19:03 PM
There's no way I could pay that much for Kreuzer. He is a gun but i honestly don't feel like there will be that much between him and Goldstein

It's only 600k, compared to what we've forked out for Gawn and Goldstein in the pass... Unlike those two Kreuzer was a number 1 pick! Only player i see beating him or having a chance is Gawn!

wouldnt even put Goldy and Kreuz in the same sentence, number 1 pick means nothing. Goldy is one year younger but here are the stats.


90+ seasons
Goldy 7 Kreuz 3

100+ seasons
Goldy 5 Kreuz 1

110+ seasons
Goldy 3 Kreuz 0

125+ seasons
Goldy 1 kreuz 0

so yes we have paid these kind of prices for Goldy in the past but he has put up great numbers year after year.

last 7 years


Goldy 94% games played for a 109 average
Kreuz 68% games played for a 90 average


Quit talking up Goldy!!  ;D

im not saying Goldy is a great pick this year. he has been a great pick in years gone past and all im saying is nobody should be comparing Kreuz to the Goldy of past.

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on March 02, 2018, 02:36:38 PM
Take out the game where Dangerfield drove his head into the turf, 111.6 average. He averaged 120.1 after Rd 6 excluding that game which is close to Goldy 2015 territory. You could argue that Matty is underpriced.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 02, 2018, 03:18:23 PM
There's no way I could pay that much for Kreuzer. He is a gun but i honestly don't feel like there will be that much between him and Goldstein

It's only 600k, compared to what we've forked out for Gawn and Goldstein in the pass... Unlike those two Kreuzer was a number 1 pick! Only player i see beating him or having a chance is Gawn!

wouldnt even put Goldy and Kreuz in the same sentence, number 1 pick means nothing. Goldy is one year younger but here are the stats.


90+ seasons
Goldy 7 Kreuz 3

100+ seasons
Goldy 5 Kreuz 1

110+ seasons
Goldy 3 Kreuz 0

125+ seasons
Goldy 1 kreuz 0

so yes we have paid these kind of prices for Goldy in the past but he has put up great numbers year after year.

last 7 years


Goldy 94% games played for a 109 average
Kreuz 68% games played for a 90 average


Quit talking up Goldy!!  ;D

im not saying Goldy is a great pick this year. he has been a great pick in years gone past and all im saying is nobody should be comparing Kreuz to the Goldy of past.

Will be a good pick this year, clear choice for mine. Kreuzer just had an out of the box season. We've posted the notes on Goldy a few pages back, marriage break-up destroyed his year. Will bounce back & still pretty young for a ruck.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on March 02, 2018, 05:07:04 PM
There's no way I could pay that much for Kreuzer. He is a gun but i honestly don't feel like there will be that much between him and Goldstein

It's only 600k, compared to what we've forked out for Gawn and Goldstein in the pass... Unlike those two Kreuzer was a number 1 pick! Only player i see beating him or having a chance is Gawn!

wouldnt even put Goldy and Kreuz in the same sentence, number 1 pick means nothing. Goldy is one year younger but here are the stats.


90+ seasons
Goldy 7 Kreuz 3

100+ seasons
Goldy 5 Kreuz 1

110+ seasons
Goldy 3 Kreuz 0

125+ seasons
Goldy 1 kreuz 0

so yes we have paid these kind of prices for Goldy in the past but he has put up great numbers year after year.

last 7 years


Goldy 94% games played for a 109 average
Kreuz 68% games played for a 90 average


Quit talking up Goldy!!  ;D

im not saying Goldy is a great pick this year. he has been a great pick in years gone past and all im saying is nobody should be comparing Kreuz to the Goldy of past.

Will be a good pick this year, clear choice for mine. Kreuzer just had an out of the box season. We've posted the notes on Goldy a few pages back, marriage break-up destroyed his year. Will bounce back & still pretty young for a ruck.

You told me to stop talking up Goldy, so i downplayed it with that i thought he was a good pick in the past, implying he wasn't a great pick now. Even though i think he is a great pick.

then you talked up goldy for this year :P
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Levi434 on March 02, 2018, 05:09:50 PM
Why not start both Goldy and Kreuz then?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 02, 2018, 07:18:35 PM
There's no way I could pay that much for Kreuzer. He is a gun but i honestly don't feel like there will be that much between him and Goldstein

It's only 600k, compared to what we've forked out for Gawn and Goldstein in the pass... Unlike those two Kreuzer was a number 1 pick! Only player i see beating him or having a chance is Gawn!

wouldnt even put Goldy and Kreuz in the same sentence, number 1 pick means nothing. Goldy is one year younger but here are the stats.


90+ seasons
Goldy 7 Kreuz 3

100+ seasons
Goldy 5 Kreuz 1

110+ seasons
Goldy 3 Kreuz 0

125+ seasons
Goldy 1 kreuz 0

so yes we have paid these kind of prices for Goldy in the past but he has put up great numbers year after year.

last 7 years


Goldy 94% games played for a 109 average
Kreuz 68% games played for a 90 average


Quit talking up Goldy!!  ;D

im not saying Goldy is a great pick this year. he has been a great pick in years gone past and all im saying is nobody should be comparing Kreuz to the Goldy of past.

Will be a good pick this year, clear choice for mine. Kreuzer just had an out of the box season. We've posted the notes on Goldy a few pages back, marriage break-up destroyed his year. Will bounce back & still pretty young for a ruck.

You told me to stop talking up Goldy, so i downplayed it with that i thought he was a good pick in the past, implying he wasn't a great pick now. Even though i think he is a great pick.

then you talked up goldy for this year :P

 :-X Ok, we need to get on the same page.

GOLDY IS A HASBEEN!!
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: meow meow on March 02, 2018, 07:46:04 PM
^ True
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on March 02, 2018, 10:04:10 PM
Why not start both Goldy and Kreuz then?

Because there arent 3 ruck spots and gawn is better then both
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: petefisker on March 03, 2018, 01:53:58 PM
No one considering D.Simpson?
Watched him closely jlt1, ruck taps need work but he gets around the ground a bit. Nothing wrong with 85 when I can save $310K. Turning a rookie on a dif line into a prem.
Team looks so strong with him as R2, then upgrade him to Ryder after rd10.
The whole wasting a trade is irrelevant as with the saved cash i turn a rookie to prem now so don't have to trade him later.
Is there something I'm missing with Dawson? He's no.1 fwd ruck yeh or we not sure and will share it with Lobb? Sure injury history but has had a full pre season.
Cheers
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 03, 2018, 01:59:34 PM
No one considering D.Simpson?
Watched him closely jlt1, ruck taps need work but he gets around the ground a bit. Nothing wrong with 85 when I can save $310K. Turning a rookie on a dif line into a prem.
Team looks so strong with him as R2, then upgrade him to Ryder after rd10.
The whole wasting a trade is irrelevant as with the saved cash i turn a rookie to prem now so don't have to trade him later.
Is there something I'm missing with Dawson? He's no.1 fwd ruck yeh or we not sure and will share it with Lobb? Sure injury history but has had a full pre season.
Cheers

So what happens if Lobb returns and they choose Keeffe as back-up?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: petefisker on March 03, 2018, 05:10:31 PM
L.Keefe? Common man the bloke can't tie up his shoes.
But yeah that's what I'm trying to work out, if Simpsonsis no.1 ruck or not.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: GoLions on March 03, 2018, 05:28:17 PM
L.Keefe? Common man the bloke can't tie up his shoes.
But yeah that's what I'm trying to work out, if Simpsonsis no.1 ruck or not.
Not when Lobb is fit
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Southstorm on March 04, 2018, 12:19:22 AM
Considering big Stef again with that little shower Archie Smith nowhere to be seen
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on March 04, 2018, 12:46:25 AM
L.Keefe? Common man the bloke can't tie up his shoes.
But yeah that's what I'm trying to work out, if Simpsonsis no.1 ruck or not.

He looked pretty solid and composed down back to me. They won't use him in the ruck though if he's playing in defence. Would imagine Lobb and Patton do the job. Simpson would need injuries to strike to get a game
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: _wato on March 04, 2018, 03:12:07 PM
Stef a goer again boys? Wanna get a discussion going. Looked good yesty
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 04, 2018, 03:38:08 PM
Stef a goer again boys? Wanna get a discussion going. Looked good yesty

My gut feel is Stef might take a back seat when the Lions are out of the running. Will probably start like a house on fire so if you are willing to trade to Ryder after the bye then it could be a legitimate strategy.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on March 04, 2018, 05:16:47 PM
Stef a goer again boys? Wanna get a discussion going. Looked good yesty

My gut feel is Stef might take a back seat when the Lions are out of the running. Will probably start like a house on fire so if you are willing to trade to Ryder after the bye then it could be a legitimate strategy.
No doubt Stef was our best player yesterday. But put into context who was his opposition Sinclair who would not be in Top 15 rucks. He was back to his usual work around the ground though.
The concern is will Brisbane want to get games into both McInerney and Smith given that Martin is 31 and out of contract next year.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on March 04, 2018, 05:39:52 PM
If Vardys injury is serious then it makes Lycett look more appealing
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Colty on March 04, 2018, 05:55:11 PM
Whooa!!’ Vardy injured, lycett a lock.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: LordSneeze on March 05, 2018, 10:31:51 AM
Whooa!!’ Vardy injured, lycett a lock.

Still just No. His scoring as a sole ruck isn't all that good and while he might make some cash so will a few of the others.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on March 05, 2018, 11:02:16 AM
Rucks are really up in the air this year it's Gawn 57% ownership on his own then NN 23% and he does not look like playing but that is just people who done a team and not been back on yet then Ryder 10% Kreuzer 8% Jacobs 7% Martin and Grundy on 6% Simpson 5% Goldy and Nank 4% and Lycett on 3% , Martin Grundy Goldy have the same bye as Gawn and Ryder is out R/10 which all looks like people are not sure which way to go this year , have got Ryder still but starting to lean towards Kreuzer with his early form and bye a plus but one thing for sure there will be no clone ruck setups this year
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ricochet on March 05, 2018, 11:35:45 AM
Lycett is far from a lock. NicNat will be back eventually and then what. If it's early on, Lycett won't have made much money and you'll be limited with your trade options.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: meow meow on March 05, 2018, 11:40:22 AM
The Slyce goes alright with NN in the side so it's not a major issue.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ricochet on March 05, 2018, 11:51:59 AM
The Slyce goes alright with NN in the side so it's not a major issue.
in 2016, when WCE made the finals. That aint happening this year
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on March 05, 2018, 12:49:00 PM
The Slyce goes alright with NN in the side so it's not a major issue.
in 2016, when WCE made the finals. That aint happening this year
They also made the finals last year, and made it to the semis fwiw. Not sure why you'd say they won't this year, I reckon they could come anywhere from 6th-12th.

(And sorry Dees and Port fans)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ricochet on March 05, 2018, 01:40:54 PM
The Slyce goes alright with NN in the side so it's not a major issue.
in 2016, when WCE made the finals. That aint happening this year
They also made the finals last year, and made it to the semis fwiw. Not sure why you'd say they won't this year, I reckon they could come anywhere from 6th-12th.

(And sorry Dees and Port fans)
They did... With Priddis, Mitchell, Petrie and Wellingham.
WC have lost a bucketload of experience, their most important player in JJK has had an interrupted preseason, and its pretty well known they're in a rebuilding stage.
Then there's the new stadium. Subi was a fortress for WC, who knows how long it'll take them to adjust to Optus.

They won't finish 6th
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Hazza09 on March 05, 2018, 03:50:27 PM
Would it be crazy to start both Kruezer & Gawn?
Both have different bye rounds and its pretty much set and forget.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on March 05, 2018, 03:57:42 PM
Would it be crazy to start both Kruezer & Gawn?
Both have different bye rounds and its pretty much set and forget.
Each to his own but not that crazy due to byes. At the moment my ruck combo is Stef Martin and Sauce Jacobs.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 05, 2018, 03:59:36 PM
Would it be crazy to start both Kruezer & Gawn?
Both have different bye rounds and its pretty much set and forget.

The only crazy part is Kreuzer's price but if you are happy with the rest of your team then go for it.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ricochet on March 05, 2018, 03:59:57 PM
Would it be crazy to start both Kruezer & Gawn?
Both have different bye rounds and its pretty much set and forget.
Each to his own but not that crazy due to byes. At the moment my ruck combo is Stef Martin and Sauce Jacobs.
Any reason why Archie didn't play against Swans ringo?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on March 05, 2018, 04:02:10 PM
Would it be crazy to start both Kruezer & Gawn?
Both have different bye rounds and its pretty much set and forget.
Each to his own but not that crazy due to byes. At the moment my ruck combo is Stef Martin and Sauce Jacobs.
Any reason why Archie didn't play against Swans ringo?
Think we were trying out a small forward line and he did not fit. Suspect he may get a game this week though but wait and see. Speaking with him at a fan day his goal this year is to cement a position in the 22. Will be hard though.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on March 05, 2018, 04:05:53 PM
Would it be crazy to start both Kruezer & Gawn?
Both have different bye rounds and its pretty much set and forget.

The only crazy part is Kreuzer's price but if you are happy with the rest of your team then go for it.

is Kreuz really set and forget?

in the last 5 years he has only played 17 games or more 2 times and has only averaged a premium score 2 times.

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 05, 2018, 06:34:50 PM
Isn't Cox the last ruck to go back to back #1 ruck in SC?

Big odds for Kreuz. Not impossible, but not likely according to history
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 05, 2018, 06:45:28 PM
Isn't Cox the last ruck to go back to back #1 ruck in SC?

Big odds for Kreuz. Not impossible, but not likely according to history

Yeah, definitely up against the statistical evidence.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: eaglesman on March 05, 2018, 08:50:05 PM
Lycett is still a lock.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on March 05, 2018, 09:50:47 PM
Lycett is still a lock.

Wish I couldn't be as confident! A problem I'm finding is how to spend that extra cash. Every team I make with him doesn't look much better than those without, but I'll keep an eye on Vardy and keep experimenting.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on March 05, 2018, 10:29:43 PM
Lycett is still a lock.

Wish I couldn't be as confident! A problem I'm finding is how to spend that extra cash. Every team I make with him doesn't look much better than those without, but I'll keep an eye on Vardy and keep experimenting.

Looks a hell of a lot better for me! Means Coniglio at M6 rather than a rookie
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Jalapeno on March 05, 2018, 11:13:46 PM
Would it be crazy to start both Kruezer & Gawn?
Both have different bye rounds and its pretty much set and forget.

Im doing this, as I truly believe they will finish 1 and 2 so why not just start with them and use your trades elsewhere?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Hazza09 on March 06, 2018, 09:54:25 AM
Quote
Im doing this, as I truly believe they will finish 1 and 2 so why not just start with them and use your trades elsewhere?

Exactly what i was thinking  ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ricochet on March 06, 2018, 11:45:44 AM
Quote
@NMFCOfficial
Scott: We'll have to be flexible will our ruck setup. What we do in Round 1, may be different to what we do in Round 2. It will be good for Goldy and Preuss to push eachother to perform throughout the year.


Thoughts?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on March 06, 2018, 11:47:38 AM
Quote
@NMFCOfficial
Scott: We'll have to be flexible will our ruck setup. What we do in Round 1, may be different to what we do in Round 2. It will be good for Goldy and Preuss to push eachother to perform throughout the year.


Thoughts?
It is a concern but people picky Goldy are well aware of the Preuss factor.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: meow meow on March 06, 2018, 11:47:47 AM
Quote
@NMFCOfficial
Scott: We'll have to be flexible will our ruck setup. What we do in Round 1, may be different to what we do in Round 2. It will be good for Goldy and Preuss to push eachother to perform throughout the year.


Thoughts?

There's 3 locks this year.

Paddy Danger
Paddy Ryder
paddy Dow
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 06, 2018, 11:50:02 AM
Quote
@NMFCOfficial
Scott: We'll have to be flexible will our ruck setup. What we do in Round 1, may be different to what we do in Round 2. It will be good for Goldy and Preuss to push eachother to perform throughout the year.


Thoughts?

Slightly different response to what Scott said earlier in the year, I reckon Preuss will be spending more time forward with Daw moving to the backline. I'm still going with Goldy, he's a far superior ruck to Preuss.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on March 06, 2018, 11:51:23 AM
Quote
@NMFCOfficial
Scott: We'll have to be flexible will our ruck setup. What we do in Round 1, may be different to what we do in Round 2. It will be good for Goldy and Preuss to push eachother to perform throughout the year.


Thoughts?
It is a concern but people picky Goldy are well aware of the Preuss factor.
Would not be confident picking Goldy lets see what happens tomorrow night
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 06, 2018, 12:21:11 PM
Vardy out "for at least a month"

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-05/big-eagle-facing-a-month-out-nic-nat-racing-clock

Lycett picks himself now I think
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 06, 2018, 12:25:01 PM
Vardy out "for at least a month"

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-05/big-eagle-facing-a-month-out-nic-nat-racing-clock

Lycett picks himself now I think

The article states he'll miss two rounds, better pray Lycett doesn't stink it up and Vardy gets a call-up.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on March 06, 2018, 12:27:07 PM
Vardy out "for at least a month"

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-05/big-eagle-facing-a-month-out-nic-nat-racing-clock

Lycett picks himself now I think
Vardy won't find it easy to come back in I think, specially if NicNat is back before him.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on March 06, 2018, 12:29:20 PM
Vardy out "for at least a month"

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-05/big-eagle-facing-a-month-out-nic-nat-racing-clock

Lycett picks himself now I think
Haha not in my team  :)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 06, 2018, 12:31:02 PM
Vardy out "for at least a month"

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-05/big-eagle-facing-a-month-out-nic-nat-racing-clock

Lycett picks himself now I think
Vardy won't find it easy to come back in I think, specially if NicNat is back before him.

So what scores are people expecting if Lycett is sole ruck?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 06, 2018, 12:35:04 PM
Vardy out "for at least a month"

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-05/big-eagle-facing-a-month-out-nic-nat-racing-clock

Lycett picks himself now I think
Vardy won't find it easy to come back in I think, specially if NicNat is back before him.

So what scores are people expecting if Lycett is sole ruck?

Might sound crazy,  but I don't have any scoring expectations at all

For me, I like the idea of starting Lycett as it gives me time to see who the best ruck will be as the season goes on, because besides Gawn the rest are a crapshoot right now

It's Witts all over again ,and that worked a treat last year

I'll need to play around and see what my team looks like with Lycett in it. Not 100% locked in yet, but very likely
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 06, 2018, 12:39:25 PM
Vardy out "for at least a month"

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-05/big-eagle-facing-a-month-out-nic-nat-racing-clock

Lycett picks himself now I think
Vardy won't find it easy to come back in I think, specially if NicNat is back before him.

So what scores are people expecting if Lycett is sole ruck?

Might sound crazy,  but I don't have any scoring expectations at all

For me, I like the idea of starting Lycett as it gives me time to see who the best ruck will be as the season goes on, because besides Gawn the rest are a crapshoot right now

It's Witts all over again ,and that worked a treat last year

I'll need to play around and see what my team looks like with Lycett in it. Not 100% locked in yet, but very likely

The difference being Witts had a mortgage on first ruck duties. The way I see it, if Lycett plays some ho-hum football early & Vardy is fit by round 3, the selectors will mix it up. That will be a big problem.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on March 06, 2018, 12:40:50 PM
Vardy out "for at least a month"

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-05/big-eagle-facing-a-month-out-nic-nat-racing-clock

Lycett picks himself now I think
Vardy won't find it easy to come back in I think, specially if NicNat is back before him.

So what scores are people expecting if Lycett is sole ruck?

Might sound crazy,  but I don't have any scoring expectations at all

For me, I like the idea of starting Lycett as it gives me time to see who the best ruck will be as the season goes on, because besides Gawn the rest are a crapshoot right now

It's Witts all over again ,and that worked a treat last year

I'll need to play around and see what my team looks like with Lycett in it. Not 100% locked in yet, but very likely
Well you are starting to convince me a bit with the Witts comparison will have a fiddle with team and see what benefits it can provide
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on March 06, 2018, 12:47:38 PM
Vardy out "for at least a month"

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-05/big-eagle-facing-a-month-out-nic-nat-racing-clock

Lycett picks himself now I think
Vardy won't find it easy to come back in I think, specially if NicNat is back before him.

So what scores are people expecting if Lycett is sole ruck?

Might sound crazy,  but I don't have any scoring expectations at all

For me, I like the idea of starting Lycett as it gives me time to see who the best ruck will be as the season goes on, because besides Gawn the rest are a crapshoot right now

It's Witts all over again ,and that worked a treat last year

I'll need to play around and see what my team looks like with Lycett in it. Not 100% locked in yet, but very likely

got to admit the team looks amazing with Lycett in the squad. I feel like its considerably riskier then picking up a mid price mid like Jom Armitage etc.. just because the lack of bench cover and no straight swap or downgrade options.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on March 06, 2018, 12:57:32 PM
Vardy out "for at least a month"

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-05/big-eagle-facing-a-month-out-nic-nat-racing-clock

Lycett picks himself now I think
Vardy won't find it easy to come back in I think, specially if NicNat is back before him.

So what scores are people expecting if Lycett is sole ruck?

Might sound crazy,  but I don't have any scoring expectations at all

For me, I like the idea of starting Lycett as it gives me time to see who the best ruck will be as the season goes on, because besides Gawn the rest are a crapshoot right now

It's Witts all over again ,and that worked a treat last year

I'll need to play around and see what my team looks like with Lycett in it. Not 100% locked in yet, but very likely

The difference is last year we had a DPP R3 with Nank in the forward line as cover

As others have mention if Lycett goes down early then you are cooked and will have to cop donuts or burn two trades to get another ruck

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on March 06, 2018, 01:01:10 PM
Vardy out "for at least a month"

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-05/big-eagle-facing-a-month-out-nic-nat-racing-clock

Lycett picks himself now I think
Vardy won't find it easy to come back in I think, specially if NicNat is back before him.

So what scores are people expecting if Lycett is sole ruck?

Might sound crazy,  but I don't have any scoring expectations at all

For me, I like the idea of starting Lycett as it gives me time to see who the best ruck will be as the season goes on, because besides Gawn the rest are a crapshoot right now

It's Witts all over again ,and that worked a treat last year

I'll need to play around and see what my team looks like with Lycett in it. Not 100% locked in yet, but very likely

The difference is last year we had a DPP R3 with Nank in the forward line as cover

As others have mention if Lycett goes down early then you are cooked and will have to cop donuts or burn two trades to get another ruck


It certainly makes the team look better batting 4 deep FWD and Back there is talk NN might get a practice match before R1 still over 2 weeks to go lets see what unfolds
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 06, 2018, 01:23:32 PM
No doubt the lack of options if Lycett gets dropped/injured is a concern, but sometimes you just have to risk it for the biscuit. I'm most likely starting with several mid pricers this year so I am sure at least one of them might not work out, so could always trade one of them plus Lycett for a prem and rookie if need be

To be honest, I'm actually not that worried about his JS. The club loves Lycett and he hasn't missed a beat all preseason. The reality is we have 3 rucks, 2 of which have serious question marks and one who is fully fit and hasn't missed a beat

Vardy was given R1 last year by default. As much as he was fantastic for us, he isn't a walk up starter. I dunno, for me personally Lycett's JS doesn't concern me at all - I'm confident he plays
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 06, 2018, 01:28:51 PM
No doubt the lack of options if Lycett gets dropped/injured is a concern, but sometimes you just have to risk it for the biscuit. I'm most likely starting with several mid pricers this year so I am sure at least one of them might not work out, so could always trade one of them plus Lycett for a prem and rookie if need be

To be honest, I'm actually not that worried about his JS. The club loves Lycett and he hasn't missed a beat all preseason. The reality is we have 3 rucks, 2 of which have serious question marks and one who is fully fit and hasn't missed a beat

Vardy was given R1 last year by default. As much as he was fantastic for us, he isn't a walk up starter. I dunno, for me personally Lycett's JS doesn't concern me at all - I'm confident he plays

So let's say you go from Goldy to Lycett, how is this improving your squad?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ricochet on March 06, 2018, 01:31:45 PM
JS isn't the issue, like you said RD, WC rate Lycett very highly. The issue imo will be his scoring as a fwd/ruck
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 06, 2018, 01:38:25 PM
So let's say you go from Goldy to Lycett, how is this improving your squad?

I'll have to have a look into tonight when I get the time and see how it looks

I imagine it just means I can add a premium to another line - and that line will ultimately depend on available rookies come Round 1

JS isn't the issue, like you said RD, WC rate Lycett very highly. The issue imo will be his scoring as a fwd/ruck

Yeah his scoring could be a bit up and down, but I do think he should be able to push 80 considering his last full season the year before he averaged over 83. If he can push 80 at 277k that's a big win
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on March 06, 2018, 01:41:41 PM
No doubt the lack of options if Lycett gets dropped/injured is a concern, but sometimes you just have to risk it for the biscuit. I'm most likely starting with several mid pricers this year so I am sure at least one of them might not work out, so could always trade one of them plus Lycett for a prem and rookie if need be

To be honest, I'm actually not that worried about his JS. The club loves Lycett and he hasn't missed a beat all preseason. The reality is we have 3 rucks, 2 of which have serious question marks and one who is fully fit and hasn't missed a beat

Vardy was given R1 last year by default. As much as he was fantastic for us, he isn't a walk up starter. I dunno, for me personally Lycett's JS doesn't concern me at all - I'm confident he plays

So let's say you go from Goldy to Lycett, how is this improving your squad?

Thats another good question

For me its:
Goldy+Brodie/Brayshaw(FRE)
vs
Lycett+Conigs

Which is really hard to split

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 06, 2018, 01:49:59 PM
No doubt the lack of options if Lycett gets dropped/injured is a concern, but sometimes you just have to risk it for the biscuit. I'm most likely starting with several mid pricers this year so I am sure at least one of them might not work out, so could always trade one of them plus Lycett for a prem and rookie if need be

To be honest, I'm actually not that worried about his JS. The club loves Lycett and he hasn't missed a beat all preseason. The reality is we have 3 rucks, 2 of which have serious question marks and one who is fully fit and hasn't missed a beat

Vardy was given R1 last year by default. As much as he was fantastic for us, he isn't a walk up starter. I dunno, for me personally Lycett's JS doesn't concern me at all - I'm confident he plays

So let's say you go from Goldy to Lycett, how is this improving your squad?

Thats another good question

For me its:
Goldy+Brodie/Brayshaw(FRE)
vs
Lycett+Conigs

Which is really hard to split

If I'm being totally impartial then I can see some merit in going from high-priced rookie to Cogs, this in part because I believe he will be a keeper. For me it's not so simple, it means bringing in another 300k mid but also means an extra upgrade will be required.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on March 06, 2018, 01:55:07 PM
Yeah I agree Lycett is a different kettle of fish to Witts and Nank. Witts was way ahead of Nicholls and Nank had nearly no competition with Hampson injured and Soldo so raw. No Griffiths either so they were running with Jack up fwd Nank in the ruck and Grigg of all people back up. 
WC has heaps of talls Darling,JJK,NN,Lycett,Vardy. I think I'd prefer if Vardy didn't get injured as I've got cold feet on Lycett after being keen for ages. This makes it more tempting but the possibility that he gets dropped/injured before he makes enough money is just a scary thought. It would mean having to downgrade a Premium or midpricer elsewhere. And even then what if there are no downgrade targets? Could be very messy.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: batt on March 06, 2018, 02:33:41 PM
Finally getting a bit of a headache with the rucks.  And with that, Kreuz slowly works his way into my calculations.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Huttabito on March 06, 2018, 02:37:09 PM
Finally getting a bit of a headache with the rucks.  And with that, Kreuz slowly works his way into my calculations.
I'm locking in Krooze.

Good bye, great ceiling sure he may be max price and history is against him, but he's due for a good run and if he stays fit, he will be the number 1 ruck. If he breaks down, you'll be able to trade him to anyone.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 06, 2018, 02:44:34 PM
Finally getting a bit of a headache with the rucks.  And with that, Kreuz slowly works his way into my calculations.
I'm locking in Krooze.

Good bye, great ceiling sure he may be max price and history is against him, but he's due for a good run and if he stays fit, he will be the number 1 ruck. If he breaks down, you'll be able to trade him to anyone.

If he breaks down at the start of a game you will lose dough.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on March 06, 2018, 03:53:19 PM
can someone remind me what happen in round 21 2016.

Where he got 9 hit outs and 2 touches for 2 SC points.

Was he injured at all or just one of the worst games ever. He had 54% TOG.

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on March 06, 2018, 04:07:13 PM
For me it's Goldy or Lycett. If Preuss is named round 1 with Goldy them I'm just gonna get Lycett and pray he can do enough until the time is right to upgrade
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on March 06, 2018, 04:07:38 PM
can someone remind me what happen in round 21 2016.

Where he got 9 hit outs and 2 touches for 2 SC points.

Was he injured at all or just one of the worst games ever. He had 54% TOG.

I remember that game, as I had him at F6  :'(

Just couldn't get near it, the low TOG is a surprise though as NN usually has a low TOG as well.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Huttabito on March 06, 2018, 04:08:07 PM
can someone remind me what happen in round 21 2016.

Where he got 9 hit outs and 2 touches for 2 SC points.

Was he injured at all or just one of the worst games ever. He had 54% TOG.
Just a complete potato that week.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on March 06, 2018, 04:50:02 PM
Hickey/Lycett combo.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: meow meow on March 06, 2018, 05:06:52 PM
Jeffries, Lavender with Olango at R3 for me. Should see how good it makes the rest of my team look.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: eaglesman on March 06, 2018, 08:09:58 PM
Vardy out "for at least a month"

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-05/big-eagle-facing-a-month-out-nic-nat-racing-clock

Lycett picks himself now I think
Vardy won't find it easy to come back in I think, specially if NicNat is back before him.

So what scores are people expecting if Lycett is sole ruck?

The lock of the year will go 50 so everyone don’t pick him
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on March 06, 2018, 08:38:12 PM
Vardy out "for at least a month"

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-05/big-eagle-facing-a-month-out-nic-nat-racing-clock

Lycett picks himself now I think
Vardy won't find it easy to come back in I think, specially if NicNat is back before him.

So what scores are people expecting if Lycett is sole ruck?

The lock of the year will go 50 so everyone don’t pick him

I reckon he can go 85-90 as sole ruck. As soon as Nicnat plays though it probably drops to 75
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jvalles69 on March 06, 2018, 09:20:57 PM
Not gonna lie...my team looks a hell of a lot nicer with Lycett at R2...especially my midfield!
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: PassivePenguin on March 07, 2018, 02:09:12 PM
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-07/huge-blow-for-swans-with-ruckman-naismith-to-miss-2018

Terrible news for Naismith as he was heading into the season fairly fit.

Anyone here have the balls to go Darcy Cameron and Lycett starting on field?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Hoggyz_a_legend on March 07, 2018, 02:16:11 PM
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-07/huge-blow-for-swans-with-ruckman-naismith-to-miss-2018

Terrible news for Naismith as he was heading into the season fairly fit.

Anyone here have the balls to go Darcy Cameron and Lycett starting on field?

They'd have to be huge to go in with that set up...

Sinclair is another option. Maybe Gawn/Sinclair/Cameron ruck set up??
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Southstorm on March 07, 2018, 02:30:06 PM
Thought about it briefly, still don't think Sinkers is worth the $440k buy in though. Cameron maybe, depends if I can carry a donut somewhere else for loophole
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: PassivePenguin on March 07, 2018, 02:31:40 PM
I myself will be going Gawn/Lycett/Cameron since Cameron can give some security until Ryder is ready to be picked up. Allows me to go 6 in the midfield and 4 in the backline (1 being Sicily)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on March 07, 2018, 03:01:42 PM
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-07/huge-blow-for-swans-with-ruckman-naismith-to-miss-2018

Terrible news for Naismith as he was heading into the season fairly fit.

Anyone here have the balls to go Darcy Cameron and Lycett starting on field?
Wow. Lycett just became more viable if Cameron gets a run. No way I'd risk Lycett/Cameron R1/2. But R2/3? Worth considering imo.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: hawkers65 on March 07, 2018, 03:07:05 PM
I started Witts last year and it was one of my greatest supercoach picks, barely anyone had him. Feel like i should count myself lucky and not try it two years straight with Lycett hahaha
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on March 07, 2018, 03:10:05 PM
I started Witts last year and it was one of my greatest supercoach picks, barely anyone had him. Feel like i should count myself lucky and not try it two years straight with Lycett hahaha
The only thing that stopped me from picking Witts last year was his bye because he was the number 1 ruck and going to play every game, Lycett isn't the number 1 ruck if Nic Nat and Vardy are fit and may not even be best 22.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on March 07, 2018, 03:13:33 PM
My question is what is more important Cameron playing and averaging 60 for the first ten rounds or a donut for a captains loop hole???

Mids are too valuable to have a donut and there is no 102k priced players with D/F eligability to float with Sicily.

So my thinking is it is Olango or nothing in terms of floating donut.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: meow meow on March 07, 2018, 03:18:41 PM
I started Witts last year and it was one of my greatest supercoach picks, barely anyone had him. Feel like i should count myself lucky and not try it two years straight with Lycett hahaha

I thought everyone had him.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on March 07, 2018, 03:21:06 PM
My question is what is more important Cameron playing and averaging 60 for the first ten rounds or a donut for a captains loop hole???

Mids are too valuable to have a donut and there is no 102k priced players with D/F eligability to float with Sicily.

So my thinking is it is Olango or nothing in terms of floating donut.

Depends if you have set and forget rucks or not. If you do I would just go with Olango to use the captains loophole but if you have a riskier pick like Lycett then Cameron becomes very important
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on March 07, 2018, 03:22:27 PM
My question is does this even mean Cameron gets a game or does Sinclair just become the #1 ruck and have others pinch hit?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on March 07, 2018, 03:25:31 PM
My question is does this even mean Cameron gets a game or does Sinclair just become the #1 ruck and have others pinch hit?
Think a lot is riding on JLT2
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on March 07, 2018, 03:28:49 PM
My question is does this even mean Cameron gets a game or does Sinclair just become the #1 ruck and have others pinch hit?
Think a lot is riding on JLT2

Don't think Sinclair will play in it with his ankle injury so we might not get the full picture but hopefully Cameron has a big game
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: TomK on March 07, 2018, 03:31:11 PM
My question is does this even mean Cameron gets a game or does Sinclair just become the #1 ruck and have others pinch hit?
Sinkers #1 with others pinch hitting, Reid, Towers, Aliir all capable
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Levi434 on March 07, 2018, 03:33:37 PM
Hickey, Lycett, Cameron locked in for me
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Money Shot on March 07, 2018, 03:39:32 PM
My question is does this even mean Cameron gets a game or does Sinclair just become the #1 ruck and have others pinch hit?
Think a lot is riding on JLT2

Don't think Sinclair will play in it with his ankle injury so we might not get the full picture but hopefully Cameron has a big game
Sydney are versing GWS which won't really give a great indication either as Lobb won't be playing.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on March 07, 2018, 03:43:32 PM
My question is does this even mean Cameron gets a game or does Sinclair just become the #1 ruck and have others pinch hit?
Think a lot is riding on JLT2

Don't think Sinclair will play in it with his ankle injury so we might not get the full picture but hopefully Cameron has a big game
Sydney are versing GWS which won't really give a great indication either as Lobb won't be playing.

That's true. Still, a big game from him will give the Sydney selectors something to think about for round 1. Especially considering they play Westcoast round 1 and will likely want 2 rucks if they are coming up against Nicnat and Lycett
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: rebird on March 07, 2018, 04:07:37 PM
Naismith - ACL http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-07/huge-blow-for-swans-with-ruckman-naismith-to-miss-2018 (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-07/huge-blow-for-swans-with-ruckman-naismith-to-miss-2018)
Cameron moves up the list

OOps
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on March 07, 2018, 04:10:53 PM
My question is does this even mean Cameron gets a game or does Sinclair just become the #1 ruck and have others pinch hit?
Sinkers #1 with others pinch hitting, Reid, Towers, Aliir all capable

Sinkers has sunk - ACL http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-07/huge-blow-for-swans-with-ruckman-naismith-to-miss-2018 (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-07/huge-blow-for-swans-with-ruckman-naismith-to-miss-2018)
Cameron moves up the list

Sinkers = Sinclair
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: GoLions on March 07, 2018, 04:12:11 PM
My question is does this even mean Cameron gets a game or does Sinclair just become the #1 ruck and have others pinch hit?
Sinkers #1 with others pinch hitting, Reid, Towers, Aliir all capable

Sinkers has sunk - ACL http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-07/huge-blow-for-swans-with-ruckman-naismith-to-miss-2018 (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-07/huge-blow-for-swans-with-ruckman-naismith-to-miss-2018)
Cameron moves up the list
Sinkers != Naismith ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on March 07, 2018, 04:31:54 PM
My question is what is more important Cameron playing and averaging 60 for the first ten rounds or a donut for a captains loop hole???

Mids are too valuable to have a donut and there is no 102k priced players with D/F eligability to float with Sicily.

So my thinking is it is Olango or nothing in terms of floating donut.

Depends if you have set and forget rucks or not. If you do I would just go with Olango to use the captains loophole but if you have a riskier pick like Lycett then Cameron becomes very important
If Cameron is named u just about have to pick him. Set and forget sounds great in theory but if a 1-2 week injury happens to one of your guns then you'll kick yourself for having to trade or cop a donut when u could have picked Cameron. Last year we had Nank to swing into the rucks, there's no-one this year.
There's Murphy or Ballenden for only 15k more than Olango. Picking Sicily even more worth it now.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Levi434 on March 07, 2018, 05:49:00 PM
Agree with ubeaut. Nothing worse than coping a donut.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 07, 2018, 06:01:36 PM
This news makes Lycett more appealing, if Cameron is named round 1 I may consider the combo.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: eaglesman on March 07, 2018, 08:18:28 PM
Lycett is a bloody lock now.

What’s the injury news on longer by the way?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 07, 2018, 10:29:46 PM
Lycett is a bloody lock now.

What’s the injury news on longer by the way?

Pretty sure Longer has been injured for a little while now

Hickey should line up Round 1, but not sure on an ETA for Longer
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: GoLions on March 07, 2018, 11:01:06 PM
Gawn + Ryder in now, don't mind it tbh
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 08, 2018, 04:24:10 PM
NicNat confirmed to play this weekend for WAFL side
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 08, 2018, 04:28:00 PM
NicNat confirmed to play this weekend for WAFL side

Think you are making a mistake taking Lycett over Goldy.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ricochet on March 08, 2018, 04:31:53 PM
Darcy Cameron named
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 08, 2018, 05:15:01 PM
NicNat confirmed to play this weekend for WAFL side

Think you are making a mistake taking Lycett over Goldy.

Never said I was locked in to doing that

Just exploring all options ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on March 08, 2018, 05:34:11 PM
Haha are you flowering kidding me!

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-03-08/technically-kurt-could-play-swans-ruck-crisis
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Keeper27 on March 08, 2018, 05:54:49 PM
rucks are doing my head in.
Gawn @ R1 locked, but R2 is a different story.

dont trust jacobs/Lycett/Nic Nat/Smith/Goldy

Nank is a slight possibility
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on March 08, 2018, 06:55:31 PM
rucks are doing my head in.
Gawn @ R1 locked, but R2 is a different story.

dont trust jacobs/Lycett/Nic Nat/Smith/Goldy

Nank is a slight possibility
I'd take Grundy or Stef or even Witts before I looked at Nank personally.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on March 08, 2018, 07:05:28 PM
Darcy Cameron named

There's another Darcy over in the west named, just to mess with people's minds.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Hoggyz_a_legend on March 08, 2018, 07:26:55 PM
I really like the way my team looks with Lycett/Cameron R2/3, but I don't know if I can trust Lycett...

Ryder is an option if Cameron is getting games. And I've even had Kreuzer in there too.

Dunno if I trust Goldy, Sauce, Grundy, Stef. And Nicnat is fraught with danger.

Imo Sandi, Nank, Lycett, Kreuzer, Ryder are the top 5 choices.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Keeper27 on March 08, 2018, 07:56:58 PM
Imo Sandi, Nank, Lycett, Kreuzer, Ryder are the top 5 choices.

i like the sandi Pick, only problem is he's getting older and injuries, Kreuzer is too expensive and i have a feeling that i can get him cheaper at some stage.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Sonnydark on March 08, 2018, 08:26:49 PM
This is the decision that could destroy my season before it’s started, but I’m running:

Kreuzer
Gawn
(Olango)

Set-‘n-forget for the first time in years. If one of them gets injured, I’ll just use a trade.

Olango over Cameron because I want the loophole more than I want the crappy R3 cash.

I’m done with trying to second guess this.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: H1bb3i2d on March 08, 2018, 11:23:15 PM
Thought I'd have a look at a more GnR team, so put Goldy in the rucks with Gawn.

Boy did it bring back the memories of these 2 smashing 240+ between them weekly :)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on March 09, 2018, 12:15:49 AM
Thought I'd have a look at a more GnR team, so put Goldy in the rucks with Gawn.

Boy did it bring back the memories of these 2 smashing 240+ between them weekly :)
i am ready for the replay this season.     gawnstein 2018
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Nige on March 10, 2018, 02:47:38 PM
Nank locked in.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 10, 2018, 03:02:38 PM
Thought I'd have a look at a more GnR team, so put Goldy in the rucks with Gawn.

Boy did it bring back the memories of these 2 smashing 240+ between them weekly :)
i am ready for the replay this season.     gawnstein 2018

100% Gawnstein, so pleased Scott played Preuss for half because Goldy was on track for 140+. Still a major POD.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on March 11, 2018, 07:08:13 PM
Don't mind Witts as a PoD
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 11, 2018, 07:31:43 PM
Lycett -5 at quarter time  :o
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2018, 07:38:34 PM
Lycett -5 at quarter time  :o

Not great, but obviously it's only one quarter of footy

Every version of my side that I create with Lycett in it, I just don't love it. IMO his JS is very good, but I don't want to go crazy with so many mid pricers, and there's mids and even forwards that I prefer over him I think

50/50 for me still
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Huttabito on March 11, 2018, 08:10:50 PM
Lycett -5 at quarter time  :o

Not great, but obviously it's only one quarter of footy

Every version of my side that I create with Lycett in it, I just don't love it. IMO his JS is very good, but I don't want to go crazy with so many mid pricers, and there's mids and even forwards that I prefer over him I think

50/50 for me still
He makes for a great team everywhere else but I'm the same, then look at him at R2 and it just doesn't feel right and I'm not confident on it.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ricochet on March 11, 2018, 08:13:33 PM
He was probably always going to struggle up against Sandi (who looks in ripper nick)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2018, 08:35:19 PM
He was probably always going to struggle up against Sandi (who looks in ripper nick)

Sandi is a legit R2 option, and would be a massive POD too

Just need him to get through the first 10 games, then if he breaks down sideways to the next best
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Nige on March 11, 2018, 08:59:14 PM
Sandi's just kinda got the same issue as Gaz in that scoring isn't the issue, it's more about whether he'll get through unscathed. I'm tempted, but it's gonna be hard to pass up my boy Nank.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2018, 09:03:47 PM
Sandi's just kinda got the same issue as Gaz in that scoring isn't the issue, it's more about whether he'll get through unscathed. I'm tempted, but it's gonna be hard to pass up my boy Nank.

Doesn't carry the price tag Gaz does though, and with no good RUC/FWD cover options this year you could say that whoever we start alongside Gawn has some kind of risk and chances are we're going to be burning a trade or two in the rucks this year anyway so might as well YOLO on the big man
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: eaglesman on March 11, 2018, 09:07:28 PM
Sandi's just kinda got the same issue as Gaz in that scoring isn't the issue, it's more about whether he'll get through unscathed. I'm tempted, but it's gonna be hard to pass up my boy Nank.

Doesn't carry the price tag Gaz does though, and with no good RUC/FWD cover options this year you could say that whoever we start alongside Gawn has some kind of risk and chances are we're going to be burning a trade or two in the rucks this year anyway so might as well YOLO on the big man

I agree.
Lycett a lock!

But I have had Stefan for 2 weeks and been considering sandi myself ...
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 11, 2018, 09:10:45 PM
Sandi's just kinda got the same issue as Gaz in that scoring isn't the issue, it's more about whether he'll get through unscathed. I'm tempted, but it's gonna be hard to pass up my boy Nank.

Doesn't carry the price tag Gaz does though, and with no good RUC/FWD cover options this year you could say that whoever we start alongside Gawn has some kind of risk and chances are we're going to be burning a trade or two in the rucks this year anyway so might as well YOLO on the big man

I agree.
Lycett a lock!

But I have had Stefan for 2 weeks and been considering sandi myself ...

I still don't understand why people want to risk Lycett, Naitanui also due back.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2018, 09:14:00 PM
I still don't understand why people want to risk Lycett, Naitanui also due back.

Anyone we select at R2 carries some sort of risk, whether it be injury prone, poor JS or questionable scoring so at 277k he can certainly push 80+ so it's not a bad choice at all IMO, but I just don't like the overall feel of my side with him in it atm
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 11, 2018, 09:16:29 PM
I still don't understand why people want to risk Lycett, Naitanui also due back.

Anyone we select at R2 carries some sort of risk, whether it be injury prone, poor JS or questionable scoring so at 277k he can certainly push 80+ so it's not a bad choice at all IMO, but I just don't like the overall feel of my side with him in it atm

If he gets injured, suspended, replaced by Vardy or just spuds it up every week you will need 2 trades to fix it.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2018, 09:20:29 PM
I still don't understand why people want to risk Lycett, Naitanui also due back.

Anyone we select at R2 carries some sort of risk, whether it be injury prone, poor JS or questionable scoring so at 277k he can certainly push 80+ so it's not a bad choice at all IMO, but I just don't like the overall feel of my side with him in it atm

If he gets injured, suspended, replaced by Vardy or just spuds it up every week you will need 2 trades to fix it.

Pretty much the reasons why I'm not starting him atm
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Nige on March 11, 2018, 09:24:38 PM
Sandi's just kinda got the same issue as Gaz in that scoring isn't the issue, it's more about whether he'll get through unscathed. I'm tempted, but it's gonna be hard to pass up my boy Nank.

Doesn't carry the price tag Gaz does though, and with no good RUC/FWD cover options this year you could say that whoever we start alongside Gawn has some kind of risk and chances are we're going to be burning a trade or two in the rucks this year anyway so might as well YOLO on the big man
True.

I thought Sandi was a bit cheaper than he actually is. Got Nank who is 8k more, hardly worth making the change.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on March 11, 2018, 11:04:12 PM
I've toyed around with my rucks a lot but I'm locked and loaded on Gawn/Goldy. The only thing that could change that in the next 2 weeks would be a season ending injury to Kreuzer in which case I'd bring in Lobbe
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on March 12, 2018, 10:15:14 AM
For those that are considering Lycett this sobering news:

West Coast: "We'll have a meeting.. to see where that's at.. if it's not Round 1 it's Round 2" Adam Simpson on when Nic Naitainui will play
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: iZander on March 12, 2018, 10:17:28 AM
Gawn and Martin
Ryder would be there but he has round 10 bye
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Colty on March 12, 2018, 01:54:00 PM
Gawn has only got through one season without being injured, add to that whatever other ruck you pick there is an injury certainty, I honestly think its worth having a Lycett or someone else who regularly plays for cover as if Gawn or another ruck goes for 1-2 weeks you're in all sorts because you will need to trade out and then probably trade back in, whos to say there wont be more niggles, it could be a black hole for trades if there is 0 coverage.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on March 12, 2018, 02:09:06 PM
For those that are considering Lycett this sobering news:

West Coast: "We'll have a meeting.. to see where that's at.. if it's not Round 1 it's Round 2" Adam Simpson on when Nic Naitainui will play

Lycett will probably score 150 round 1 against a ruckless Sydney and then 50 the week after when NicNats back haha
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Colty on March 12, 2018, 02:23:52 PM
Anyone considering playing Mason Cox in forwards as DPP ruck cover?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on March 12, 2018, 02:32:05 PM
Gawn has only got through one season without being injured, add to that whatever other ruck you pick there is an injury certainty, I honestly think its worth having a Lycett or someone else who regularly plays for cover as if Gawn or another ruck goes for 1-2 weeks you're in all sorts because you will need to trade out and then probably trade back in, whos to say there wont be more niggles, it could be a black hole for trades if there is 0 coverage.

Thats why I'm leaning away from starting Cameron if he is named and using a DPP at R3 instead

If someone like Pedo or Cox miraculously average 80+ they could be handy F7/R3 cover. If you have a M/F DPP on your mid bench they can even cover the mids as well
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Colty on March 12, 2018, 02:39:57 PM
Darcy Cameron is a no go, I'm a swans fan and I highly doubt he will spend much time in the seniors unless Sinclair goes down, in which case not worries bring him in.
Anyway, I'm thinking id rather have Cox and get a few 80s here and there than waste a trade if one of my rucks are out for 1 or two weeks.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on March 12, 2018, 02:42:23 PM
Isn't Grundy  copping a week at match review? Oh thats right, magpies run the MRP now.

EDIT; $2000 fine, predictable joke.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: _wato on March 12, 2018, 04:28:38 PM
Starting Sandi is starting to get me very interested...

As mentioned I'm still very stuck on a second ruck I want and Goldy/Stef/Kreuzer/Ryder have all been there at some stage. But if you look at his first 5 opponents (PA, Dons, GC, Giants, Dogs) not to mention a pretty soft draw up until Rd 10 (where NN/Lycett, Nank, Longer, Sinclair follow Rd 5), the man giant could average 110 before restings occur in latter part of the year and they transition to Darcy dependent on their wins/losses.

Obvs injury is a massive concern but he looks ripped af and healthy. Plenty to like about a score of 110 from 24 hitouts and 58% game time in JLT (even to mention he played a preseason game, wtf)

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jfitty on March 12, 2018, 05:42:54 PM
Starting Sandi is starting to get me very interested...

As mentioned I'm still very stuck on a second ruck I want and Goldy/Stef/Kreuzer/Ryder have all been there at some stage. But if you look at his first 5 opponents (PA, Dons, GC, Giants, Dogs) not to mention a pretty soft draw up until Rd 10 (where NN/Lycett, Nank, Longer, Sinclair follow Rd 5), the man giant could average 110 before restings occur in latter part of the year and they transition to Darcy dependent on their wins/losses.

Obvs injury is a massive concern but he looks ripped af and healthy. Plenty to like about a score of 110 from 24 hitouts and 58% game time in JLT (even to mention he played a preseason game, wtf)

I must admit, the big man is starting to grab my attention as well..

Looked in ripping shape yesterday, and played both JLT games which wouldn't have happened for years. With that draw to start the year with, I reckon he could be an awesome POD to start the season off. If he gets rested later, potentially look to trade then, but the scoring potential is definitely there.

I've had Goldy most of the preseason alongside Gawn, but the Preuss factor makes me nervous.. They won't play in the same team, but there's a chance Scotty could switch them in and out during the season.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: PowerBug on March 13, 2018, 07:46:09 PM
Time for some Lycett love I think. Here's my rundown on the situation:


 - There's no other premium ruck that sticks out. Ryder with the bye; Martin, Grundy and Goldstein all with their backups playing in the same team; Jacobs just boring; and the others I don't think can get better than what they were last season (Smith, Belly, Nank).
 - Lycett in 2016 played 20 games and averaged 83.1. In the first 10 rounds of that season he scored five tons. He had double digit hitouts each match, he scored a goal every match from Rd 3-10. And in this time he was playing 2nd Ruck to Nic Nat, who scored amazingly until his injury.
 - He's $277k, and is best 22.
 - If Darcy Cameron is nailed then you have cover if he gets injured/scores bad for a week or two. Remember the goal is for him to make some cash while you work out which ruck is the best to pair him with. He doesn't need to go 90+, you just want something that resembles a good rookie score.

I look at that and go geez this is a very very good pick for R2 and even playing behind Nic Nat I think he can score very well. He's priced at an average of 50, so if he goes 75-80 he's making money (Looking at going above $400k if he does that). The rucks are always viewed as different to the other positions and that we should always pick 2 set and forget. Ask yourself why that's the case, it certainly doesn't have to be, why not get the cheap guy who has shown he can score at above his price, no one else is putting their hand up for R2.


There's a downside to every player in this price range, and Lycett's is from 2015:
 - 64, 96, 48, 60 injured Rds 1 to 4. You start a $277k guy and that happens, you are in big trouble if there's no playing R3.
 - He scored 2 against GWS in Rd 21 2016. He played the full game. Enough said.
 - 1, 2, 7, 12, 6, 20, 1 are his matches played since entering the league. How can you be confident he will last to the byes?


My wrap up? No one sticks out, and he's currently in my side. It's a huge risk to pick him but if he pays off wowee it'll be huge.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: meow meow on March 13, 2018, 07:58:18 PM
What's the advantage? You get to play an extra premo mid?

Premo ruck + JOM/Armo vs Premo mid + Lycett

Won't be that huge if it pays off. Should be break even with everyone else.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 13, 2018, 08:03:57 PM
Time for some Lycett love I think. Here's my rundown on the situation:


 - There's no other premium ruck that sticks out. Ryder with the bye; Martin, Grundy and Goldstein all with their backups playing in the same team; Jacobs just boring; and the others I don't think can get better than what they were last season (Smith, Belly, Nank).
 - Lycett in 2016 played 20 games and averaged 83.1. In the first 10 rounds of that season he scored five tons. He had double digit hitouts each match, he scored a goal every match from Rd 3-10. And in this time he was playing 2nd Ruck to Nic Nat, who scored amazingly until his injury.
 - He's $277k, and is best 22.
 - If Darcy Cameron is nailed then you have cover if he gets injured/scores bad for a week or two. Remember the goal is for him to make some cash while you work out which ruck is the best to pair him with. He doesn't need to go 90+, you just want something that resembles a good rookie score.

I look at that and go geez this is a very very good pick for R2 and even playing behind Nic Nat I think he can score very well. He's priced at an average of 50, so if he goes 75-80 he's making money (Looking at going above $400k if he does that). The rucks are always viewed as different to the other positions and that we should always pick 2 set and forget. Ask yourself why that's the case, it certainly doesn't have to be, why not get the cheap guy who has shown he can score at above his price, no one else is putting their hand up for R2.


There's a downside to every player in this price range, and Lycett's is from 2015:
 - 64, 96, 48, 60 injured Rds 1 to 4. You start a $277k guy and that happens, you are in big trouble if there's no playing R3.
 - He scored 2 against GWS in Rd 21 2016. He played the full game. Enough said.
 - 1, 2, 7, 12, 6, 20, 1 are his matches played since entering the league. How can you be confident he will last to the byes?


My wrap up? No one sticks out, and he's currently in my side. It's a huge risk to pick him but if he pays off wowee it'll be huge.

Goldy + Armitage / O'Meara vs Lycett + Cripps / Parker = very little advantage if any
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: PowerBug on March 13, 2018, 08:15:46 PM
What's the advantage? You get to play an extra premo mid?

Premo ruck + JOM/Armo vs Premo mid + Lycett

Won't be that huge if it pays off. Should be break even with everyone else.
The premium you start is more secure. Which is where this whole thing starts from.


Goldy + Armitage / O'Meara vs Lycett + Cripps / Parker = very little advantage if any
If you think Goldy is a good pick then sure go for it, I don't see it that way because of Preuss being in the side. And who says it's a Cripps/Parker, why can't it be a Hibberd, Greene or Billings? Guys that are more likely to be top scoring for their positions :)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 13, 2018, 08:21:29 PM
What's the advantage? You get to play an extra premo mid?

Premo ruck + JOM/Armo vs Premo mid + Lycett

Won't be that huge if it pays off. Should be break even with everyone else.
The premium you start is more secure. Which is where this whole thing starts from.


Goldy + Armitage / O'Meara vs Lycett + Cripps / Parker = very little advantage if any
If you think Goldy is a good pick then sure go for it, I don't see it that way because of Preuss being in the side. And who says it's a Cripps/Parker, why can't it be a Hibberd, Greene or Billings? Guys that are more likely to be top scoring for their positions :)

And if he gets dropped you burn 2 trades. He's been in the system 8 years & has produced 50 so-so games. One half-decent season doesn't maketh the man.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on March 13, 2018, 08:36:21 PM
Time for some Lycett love I think. Here's my rundown on the situation:


 - There's no other premium ruck that sticks out. Ryder with the bye; Martin, Grundy and Goldstein all with their backups playing in the same team; Jacobs just boring; and the others I don't think can get better than what they were last season (Smith, Belly, Nank).
 - Lycett in 2016 played 20 games and averaged 83.1. In the first 10 rounds of that season he scored five tons. He had double digit hitouts each match, he scored a goal every match from Rd 3-10. And in this time he was playing 2nd Ruck to Nic Nat, who scored amazingly until his injury.
 - He's $277k, and is best 22.
 - If Darcy Cameron is nailed then you have cover if he gets injured/scores bad for a week or two. Remember the goal is for him to make some cash while you work out which ruck is the best to pair him with. He doesn't need to go 90+, you just want something that resembles a good rookie score.

I look at that and go geez this is a very very good pick for R2 and even playing behind Nic Nat I think he can score very well. He's priced at an average of 50, so if he goes 75-80 he's making money (Looking at going above $400k if he does that). The rucks are always viewed as different to the other positions and that we should always pick 2 set and forget. Ask yourself why that's the case, it certainly doesn't have to be, why not get the cheap guy who has shown he can score at above his price, no one else is putting their hand up for R2.


There's a downside to every player in this price range, and Lycett's is from 2015:
 - 64, 96, 48, 60 injured Rds 1 to 4. You start a $277k guy and that happens, you are in big trouble if there's no playing R3.
 - He scored 2 against GWS in Rd 21 2016. He played the full game. Enough said.
 - 1, 2, 7, 12, 6, 20, 1 are his matches played since entering the league. How can you be confident he will last to the byes?


My wrap up? No one sticks out, and he's currently in my side. It's a huge risk to pick him but if he pays off wowee it'll be huge.
I agree that rucks are viewed differently, that people get fixated on set and forget,and in theory u can play a midpricer/rookie anywhere if they are making Money.
I guess the main reason against for me is apart from possibly Cameron or going Cox/English F4/R3 ( neither of which are that appealing) there is no cover and only one bench spot. Add to that the fact that in other positions there are likely to be rookies u missed u can trade to if it flops while in ruck there is little chance of that. If Lycett goes down/gets dropped the chances are u have to lose a premo elsewhere and burn two trades to fix it.
I was initially very keen on Lyce but am slowly coming to the conclusion that the risk may outweigh reward.
Good write up tho mate and I haven't totally rules him out either!
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Toga on March 13, 2018, 08:39:47 PM
For those considering starting Goldy... I assume that's based on Scott saying that there will be only one ruck in the R1 side?

What happens if that only lasts a few weeks and Preuss comes into the side. Do you have a Plan B (fallback trade)? Or do you ride it out?

Just interested to hear what people are planning because it sounds like he's fairly popular :)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 13, 2018, 09:22:06 PM
For those considering starting Goldy... I assume that's based on Scott saying that there will be only one ruck in the R1 side?

What happens if that only lasts a few weeks and Preuss comes into the side. Do you have a Plan B (fallback trade)? Or do you ride it out?

Just interested to hear what people are planning because it sounds like he's fairly popular :)

Scott is on record as saying Goldy will be the man if he produces A grade football which he is more than capable of. If his form isn't up to scratch then a sideways trade to the best performing ruck.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: LordSneeze on March 13, 2018, 09:26:23 PM
My rucks have been locked as Goldy & Gawn all preseason. The only alternative to Goldy is Ryder for me and that's if I believe I will be able to cover his bye. Cannot see him not being a top 2 ruck.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on March 13, 2018, 11:35:05 PM
Preuss is a non issue, simple. He may get a few games later in the year when Brad Scott switches to development mode once Norf stitches up the wooden spoon. But Majak Daw is as bigger problem to Goldy because he's a useless FWD and useless DEF.

Goldy's got his shower back in order off the field and big tons are ominous.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on March 14, 2018, 01:37:43 AM
My rucks have been locked as Goldy & Gawn all preseason. The only alternative to Goldy is Ryder for me and that's if I believe I will be able to cover his bye. Cannot see him not being a top 2 ruck.
started before xmas as jacob/gawn but been goldy/gawn for a few months now.    very comfotrable with the decision.   just hope they both make it to rnd 11.    then ryder or stef if they fall over.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on March 14, 2018, 09:24:44 AM
What's the advantage? You get to play an extra premo mid?

Premo ruck + JOM/Armo vs Premo mid + Lycett

Won't be that huge if it pays off. Should be break even with everyone else.
The premium you start is more secure. Which is where this whole thing starts from.

The premium mid is safer then the premium ruck no doubt.

however the big thing is JOM v Lycett and the thing that most influences that is bench and trade options.

If JOM underpeforms then you have 3 guys on the bench and possibly even a loop hole scenario. The bigger thing is if JOM disappoints then you can trade him down to any rookie you missed or a mid pricer that you missed.

If lycett pumps out sub optimal scores then what can you do? Worse if he misses a week what do you do? you have no cover and you have no easy option to sideways him too. This is the whole reason you go set and forget.

Id back Goldy + JOM into averaging 180 reasonably comfortable. Realistically what can you expect from Lycett, if he is going say 70  which i think is fair enough then you need to find a 110 mid at 566k. Which is certainly possible but that what you need to break even.

To make the risk worth it you i think there needs to be upside of +10 over the safer combo so you would need lycett to go 80 and find a 110 mid then hope that Goldy + JOM dont go more then 180. Its very likely that they could go 190-200.

Premo Ruck + JOM/Armitage easy in my books of Lycett and a Good Premo Mid.

If it was Lycett + Dmart v Goldy JOM a whole other story but the difference in price of Lycett and JOM isnt that great.

When you take a risk make sure you have a exit plan.

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: batt on March 14, 2018, 10:35:12 AM
Starting Sandi is starting to get me very interested...

As mentioned I'm still very stuck on a second ruck I want and Goldy/Stef/Kreuzer/Ryder have all been there at some stage. But if you look at his first 5 opponents (PA, Dons, GC, Giants, Dogs) not to mention a pretty soft draw up until Rd 10 (where NN/Lycett, Nank, Longer, Sinclair follow Rd 5), the man giant could average 110 before restings occur in latter part of the year and they transition to Darcy dependent on their wins/losses.

Obvs injury is a massive concern but he looks ripped af and healthy. Plenty to like about a score of 110 from 24 hitouts and 58% game time in JLT (even to mention he played a preseason game, wtf)

I must admit, the big man is starting to grab my attention as well..

Looked in ripping shape yesterday, and played both JLT games which wouldn't have happened for years. With that draw to start the year with, I reckon he could be an awesome POD to start the season off. If he gets rested later, potentially look to trade then, but the scoring potential is definitely there.

I've had Goldy most of the preseason alongside Gawn, but the Preuss factor makes me nervous.. They won't play in the same team, but there's a chance Scotty could switch them in and out during the season.
I had him in my team after Sunday.  Very enticing.  I'd have to trade him at his bye because I already have 6 R14 bye premos.

But then I thought about age decline, and tried to think of a ruck who has declined well.  Cox averaged 90 in his last season a few years ago.  And guess what?  Sandi's the same age.  I think it's impressive that he's still playing but I find it hard to believe a body with that many miles on it will be worth taking a bet on.

So instead I managed to re-find the cash for Kruez and be done with it.  If NicNat lines up I'll switch to him and use the additional funds elsewhere.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gavdroid on March 14, 2018, 12:11:19 PM
What's the advantage? You get to play an extra premo mid?

Premo ruck + JOM/Armo vs Premo mid + Lycett

Won't be that huge if it pays off. Should be break even with everyone else.
The premium you start is more secure. Which is where this whole thing starts from.

The premium mid is safer then the premium ruck no doubt.

however the big thing is JOM v Lycett and the thing that most influences that is bench and trade options.

If JOM underpeforms then you have 3 guys on the bench and possibly even a loop hole scenario. The bigger thing is if JOM disappoints then you can trade him down to any rookie you missed or a mid pricer that you missed.

If lycett pumps out sub optimal scores then what can you do? Worse if he misses a week what do you do? you have no cover and you have no easy option to sideways him too. This is the whole reason you go set and forget.

Id back Goldy + JOM into averaging 180 reasonably comfortable. Realistically what can you expect from Lycett, if he is going say 70  which i think is fair enough then you need to find a 110 mid at 566k. Which is certainly possible but that what you need to break even.

To make the risk worth it you i think there needs to be upside of +10 over the safer combo so you would need lycett to go 80 and find a 110 mid then hope that Goldy + JOM dont go more then 180. Its very likely that they could go 190-200.

Premo Ruck + JOM/Armitage easy in my books of Lycett and a Good Premo Mid.

If it was Lycett + Dmart v Goldy JOM a whole other story but the difference in price of Lycett and JOM isnt that great.

When you take a risk make sure you have a exit plan.

What if it were say Lycett + Billings v Goldy + Bundy?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on March 14, 2018, 12:31:22 PM
What's the advantage? You get to play an extra premo mid?

Premo ruck + JOM/Armo vs Premo mid + Lycett

Won't be that huge if it pays off. Should be break even with everyone else.
The premium you start is more secure. Which is where this whole thing starts from.

The premium mid is safer then the premium ruck no doubt.

however the big thing is JOM v Lycett and the thing that most influences that is bench and trade options.

If JOM underpeforms then you have 3 guys on the bench and possibly even a loop hole scenario. The bigger thing is if JOM disappoints then you can trade him down to any rookie you missed or a mid pricer that you missed.

If lycett pumps out sub optimal scores then what can you do? Worse if he misses a week what do you do? you have no cover and you have no easy option to sideways him too. This is the whole reason you go set and forget.

Id back Goldy + JOM into averaging 180 reasonably comfortable. Realistically what can you expect from Lycett, if he is going say 70  which i think is fair enough then you need to find a 110 mid at 566k. Which is certainly possible but that what you need to break even.

To make the risk worth it you i think there needs to be upside of +10 over the safer combo so you would need lycett to go 80 and find a 110 mid then hope that Goldy + JOM dont go more then 180. Its very likely that they could go 190-200.

Premo Ruck + JOM/Armitage easy in my books of Lycett and a Good Premo Mid.

If it was Lycett + Dmart v Goldy JOM a whole other story but the difference in price of Lycett and JOM isnt that great.

When you take a risk make sure you have a exit plan.

What if it were say Lycett + Billings v Goldy + Bundy?

then id favour the premo ruck even more.

because you have the same thing where bundy is covered and if he fails you can pick any forward rookie. When it comes to Billings v Goldy i feel they offer the same reward and both can be switched for a premo if required.

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on March 14, 2018, 12:55:53 PM
There may be bugger all fwd rookies tho. Bundy may become a liability if he is F4 and only 4 rookies total get named 2 or 3 of which are any good. Makes it hard to downgrade Bundy then. Especially if Rayner/ Stephenson flop or get dropped. Rayner may have safer JS but I have huge doubts on scoring ability with poor tank. Stephenson could lose out to DeGoey early on.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 14, 2018, 01:00:03 PM
There may be bugger all fwd rookies tho. Bundy may become a liability if he is F4 and only 4 rookies total get named 2 or 3 of which are any good. Makes it hard to downgrade Bundy then. Especially if Rayner/ Stephenson flop or get dropped. Rayner may have safer JS but I have huge doubts on scoring ability with poor tank. Stephenson could lose out to DeGoey early on.

If Bundy turns out to be a flop at least there are guys like Bell, Cyril even Lids who we can bail out to

If you're starting two rookies on field and they are scoring 40's you're flowered

Bundy at F5 is a lock for me - refuse to field a rookie at F5 this year. There might be 5 or 6 available come round 1, but that means squat if they can't score - 2 of those fill the bench and the best one gets F6 while I pass on the rest
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on March 14, 2018, 01:13:42 PM
There may be bugger all fwd rookies tho. Bundy may become a liability if he is F4 and only 4 rookies total get named 2 or 3 of which are any good. Makes it hard to downgrade Bundy then. Especially if Rayner/ Stephenson flop or get dropped. Rayner may have safer JS but I have huge doubts on scoring ability with poor tank. Stephenson could lose out to DeGoey early on.

If Bundy turns out to be a flop at least there are guys like Bell, Cyril even Lids who we can bail out to

If you're starting two rookies on field and they are scoring 40's you're flowered

Bundy at F5 is a lock for me - refuse to field a rookie at F5 this year. There might be 5 or 6 available come round 1, but that means squat if they can't score - 2 of those fill the bench and the best one gets F6 while I pass on the rest
Fair enough. I agree that F5 may have to be a non rookie. Really are very few options tho. Bundy worries me after JLT, Deledio I think is past it and will play fwd with Whitfield/Shaw/Griffen playing the friendly SC halfback role.
Bell is borderline best 22. Cyril just makes me think Hamstrings and is 50 k more so unless u have that in the bank or somehow get away with downgrading  a 200 k rookie it makes that move hard.
The fwds is the worst line this year no doubt and is giving me a headache having to compromise rest of team to go deep there.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 14, 2018, 02:36:31 PM
Cyril apparently looking sharp & focused at training. Just get the feeling he'll be switched on from the get go, I'm very tempted to pick him over Bundy who looks quite sluggish.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on March 14, 2018, 03:52:00 PM
Back to the rucks, Vardy will miss 4 weeks according to Fox sports, JJK at least 2. 
Surely that gives Lycett a real chance to cement his place in best 22.
NicNat should play round 1, maybe round 2 but will need to be managed resting fwd and bench. WC will be super cautious and first sign of a niggle he gets rested.
Vardy will also be below 100% on return.
Just when I've ruled him out he's tempting me again.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: MontyJnr on March 16, 2018, 12:32:04 PM
Surely Stefan Martin is the safest R2 option?

Unlike Preuss, Archie Smith seems to be on the outer of Brisbane's best 22. He did not play a single JLT game, which is the time and place to trial guys like him. Could Archie simply be used as depth this season? He did not have much of an impact when he got his chance at AFL level last year i thought...

Stefan averaged 105 in the JLT, which was only second to Gawn of the premium ruck options.

His 175 minutes on field during the JLT is also impressive compared to Ryder (168 minutes), Goldstein (144 minutes) & Sandilands (131 minutes).
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: meow meow on March 16, 2018, 12:54:45 PM
Stef won't get within 10 points of the top 2. It's like picking a Cotchin or Seb Ross vs the real premos.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on March 16, 2018, 02:38:26 PM
Surely Stefan Martin is the safest R2 option?

Unlike Preuss, Archie Smith seems to be on the outer of Brisbane's best 22. He did not play a single JLT game, which is the time and place to trial guys like him. Could Archie simply be used as depth this season? He did not have much of an impact when he got his chance at AFL level last year i thought...

Stefan averaged 105 in the JLT, which was only second to Gawn of the premium ruck options.

His 175 minutes on field during the JLT is also impressive compared to Ryder (168 minutes), Goldstein (144 minutes) & Sandilands (131 minutes).
Brisbane have McInerney too who they'll be looking to blood at some point this year as he has shown some serious promise. Having said that though Stef looks a solid pick. Personally though I'm going for Jacobs because he is the safest R2 option.
Stef won't get within 10 points of the top 2. It's like picking a Cotchin or Seb Ross vs the real premos.
Disagree. He could easily be a top 2 ruck, let alone within 10 points of them. At least you're half right about the Ross and Cotchin bit not being among the better mid picks.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: StuL on March 17, 2018, 02:04:45 AM
Anyone considering playing Mason Cox in forwards as DPP ruck cover?

Yes. Looks like he might play perm fwd and pinch hit in the ruck this year. With not much on offer at F4/5 anyway, it's worth a punt.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on March 17, 2018, 02:45:01 AM
Anyone considering playing Mason Cox in forwards as DPP ruck cover?

Yes. Looks like he might play perm fwd and pinch hit in the ruck this year. With not much on offer at F4/5 anyway, it's worth a punt.

It's really not worth a punt. If he didn't have a big JLT game last weekend would you have given him a thought at all?
He played on an 18 year old and was allowed a free run and jump at the ball every time it came in, that just won't happen in the real stuff. He's got the potential to have the off good game but I would expect 60s most  weeks
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: PowerBug on March 17, 2018, 09:20:27 AM
Mason Cox is someone I’d get with my 29th or 30th trade if I didn’t have ruck cover and I felt it might be needed in the last few rounds.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: dmac07 on March 17, 2018, 10:08:41 AM
Mason Cox is someone I’d get with my 29th or 30th trade if I didn’t have ruck cover and I felt it might be needed in the last few rounds.

But by then youll be paying 600k  ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Marty101 on March 18, 2018, 04:25:28 PM
Nank started 2017 off with a bang averaging 100+ up until RD9 and obviously tailed off in the second half of the season.

Does anyone think with a second preseason as the number one ruck under his belt at Richmond that the extra conditioning will see him hold the early 2017 form for the whole season this year?

He's still relatively young in terms of rucks and could be on the verge of pushing higher up on everyone's radars this season.

Showed what he's capable of against Nth in JLT2 (albeit Goldy/Preuss played limited time).
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 18, 2018, 04:27:41 PM
Nank started 2017 off with a bang averaging 100+ up until RD9 and obviously tailed off in the second half of the season.

Does anyone think with a second preseason as the number one ruck under his belt at Richmond that the extra conditioning will see him hold the early 2017 form for the whole season this year?

He's still relatively young in terms of rucks and could be on the verge of pushing higher up on everyone's radars this season.

Showed what he's capable of against Nth in JLT2 (albeit Goldy/Preuss played limited time).

Goldy was pantsing Nank in the first half, then Preuss came on. Don't think he's worth it, especially given Dimma will give Soldo/Hampson a run at some stage.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: HappyDEZ on March 18, 2018, 04:31:33 PM
Nank started 2017 off with a bang averaging 100+ up until RD9 and obviously tailed off in the second half of the season.

Does anyone think with a second preseason as the number one ruck under his belt at Richmond that the extra conditioning will see him hold the early 2017 form for the whole season this year?

He's still relatively young in terms of rucks and could be on the verge of pushing higher up on everyone's radars this season.

Showed what he's capable of against Nth in JLT2 (albeit Goldy/Preuss played limited time).

Goldy was pantsing Nank in the first half, then Preuss came on. Don't think he's worth it, especially given Dimma will give Soldo/Hampson a run at some stage.
Soldo yes Hampson no. I reckon Balta or CCJ would get a taste before Hampson gets a call up.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: meow meow on March 18, 2018, 04:32:58 PM
I don't think Soldo is much of a threat to anything, even if he plays. Nank should still average 150+
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on March 18, 2018, 06:01:41 PM
Keep in mind Nanks only 23. The youngest #1 ruck in the comp off the top of my head so he has heaps of improvement in him.
I wouldn't start him but he is only gonna get better
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Huttabito on March 18, 2018, 07:54:40 PM
Nank started 2017 off with a bang averaging 100+ up until RD9 and obviously tailed off in the second half of the season.

Does anyone think with a second preseason as the number one ruck under his belt at Richmond that the extra conditioning will see him hold the early 2017 form for the whole season this year?

He's still relatively young in terms of rucks and could be on the verge of pushing higher up on everyone's radars this season.

Showed what he's capable of against Nth in JLT2 (albeit Goldy/Preuss played limited time).

Goldy was pantsing Nank in the first half, then Preuss came on. Don't think he's worth it, especially given Dimma will give Soldo/Hampson a run at some stage.
That's why he was only on 69 points at half time? Nank collects his points around the ground, another year, more conditioned, have no doubts he'll run out the season longer. The question is if he can solo ruck the whole year in 2018, or it's another year away.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on March 19, 2018, 11:55:54 AM
I don't think Nank will go solo all year.
One reason being he may need a chop out as the season goes on like last year.
Another reason is although the Tigers small fwd line worked last year, I think opposition teams will find ways to combat this. Surely Jack will need a chop out as well. I just don't see a one tall fwd line being sustainable long term.
That said, Nank should start well and gets alot of points around the ground like Stef. If starting him may need to trade later on but could be worth it.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on March 19, 2018, 12:10:27 PM
Have FINALLY locked in my second ruck as Stef Martin.

Might be my Brisbane bias, but am most comfortable picking him out of all the ruck options aside from Gawn. Would be tempted to go Goldy if Preuss isn't named/has a season ending injury in the next couple of days (wouldn't wish that upon him, but it'd help the SC world haha).
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on March 19, 2018, 01:05:45 PM
I don't think Nank will go solo all year.
One reason being he may need a chop out as the season goes on like last year.
Another reason is although the Tigers small fwd line worked last year, I think opposition teams will find ways to combat this. Surely Jack will need a chop out as well. I just don't see a one tall fwd line being sustainable long term.
That said, Nank should start well and gets alot of points around the ground like Stef. If starting him may need to trade later on but could be worth it.

They didn't play a small forward line just to be different, they did it because there was no one doing enough in the VFL to get a game.
Ideally they would have another tall forward that can pinch hit in the ruck but that player would only do the amount of rucking that Grigg does anyway when Nank needs a rest.
Unless some of the young key forwards start killing it at VFL level I don't see much changing at all
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: PowerBug on March 21, 2018, 12:10:34 PM
Ryder
Gawn
Grundy
Jacobs
Martin

My picks for the top 5 points scorers. Cycled between Goldstein, Ryder and Lycett in that R2 position since I started making my team last week, no guarantees I stick to Ryder but that's where it is now :P
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: GoLions on March 21, 2018, 12:11:33 PM
Ryder
Gawn
Grundy
Jacobs
Martin

My picks for the top 5 points scorers. Cycled between Goldstein, Ryder and Lycett in that R2 position since I started making my team last week, no guarantees I stick to Ryder but that's where it is now :P
Pick Ryder with me
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: _wato on March 21, 2018, 12:14:35 PM
Going Gawn and Sandi atm but knowing big Kreuz lines up in the first game of the year against Nank makes me really wanna choose him just for round 1 because I see him going 120+ but fuaaark
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jfitty on March 21, 2018, 12:17:48 PM
Not enough love for big Goldy! Love having him in my team at 5% ownership 8)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Huttabito on March 21, 2018, 12:56:10 PM
Not enough love for big Goldy! Love having him in my team at 5% ownership 8)
@NMFCOfficial
Scott: It's very hard to play two genuine ruckmen at the moment. It's more than likely we'll go with one ruck, and we'll announce that soon.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: batt on March 21, 2018, 12:59:44 PM
Not enough love for big Goldy! Love having him in my team at 5% ownership 8)
@NMFCOfficial
Scott: It's very hard to play two genuine ruckmen at the moment. It's more than likely we'll go with one ruck, and we'll announce that soon.
Sounds like the same language Leon Cameron used describing the Lobb/Simpson battle.  More less: "thanks for giving the competition for the spot but we were always going to pick Lobb/Goldy".
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: AaronKirk on March 21, 2018, 01:01:50 PM
Not enough love for big Goldy! Love having him in my team at 5% ownership 8)
@NMFCOfficial
Scott: It's very hard to play two genuine ruckmen at the moment. It's more than likely we'll go with one ruck, and we'll announce that soon.

Was hoping it stayed low. Watch is soar now.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: batt on March 21, 2018, 01:04:31 PM
Has anyone ever done the #s on Goldy in a winning team vs. in a losing team?  Might be a little project for me.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Huttabito on March 21, 2018, 01:10:57 PM
Has anyone ever done the #s on Goldy in a winning team vs. in a losing team?  Might be a little project for me.
Since 2011:
Average Win: 117.9 (79 games)
Average Loss: 99.7 (74 games)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Colty on March 21, 2018, 01:15:57 PM
Has anyone ever done the #s on Goldy in a winning team vs. in a losing team?  Might be a little project for me.
Since 2011:
Average Win: 117.9 (79 games)
Average Loss: 99.7 (74 games)
He could be averaging that 99 a few times this year....
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: batt on March 21, 2018, 01:35:45 PM
Has anyone ever done the #s on Goldy in a winning team vs. in a losing team?  Might be a little project for me.
Since 2011:
Average Win: 117.9 (79 games)
Average Loss: 99.7 (74 games)
Awesome thanks.  Those averages with a 6-16 record comes at an average of 104.66 which sounds about right.  Don't think 110 is a possibility at all for Goldy this year.  105 if everything goes to plan. 
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: tkringle on March 21, 2018, 02:15:13 PM
Not enough love for big Goldy! Love having him in my team at 5% ownership 8)
@NMFCOfficial
Scott: It's very hard to play two genuine ruckmen at the moment. It's more than likely we'll go with one ruck, and we'll announce that soon.

The phantom has now picked Goldstein as his R2 in a herald sun article.

Watch his ownership percentage soar now..  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on March 21, 2018, 02:32:31 PM
Not enough love for big Goldy! Love having him in my team at 5% ownership 8)
@NMFCOfficial
Scott: It's very hard to play two genuine ruckmen at the moment. It's more than likely we'll go with one ruck, and we'll announce that soon.

The phantom has now picked Goldstein as his R2 in a herald sun article.

Watch his ownership percentage soar now..  >:( >:(

Preuss can still be named every week and scare a few people off. The Emerg bench is increased this year to 5-6 players I think.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jfitty on March 21, 2018, 02:41:39 PM
Not enough love for big Goldy! Love having him in my team at 5% ownership 8)
@NMFCOfficial
Scott: It's very hard to play two genuine ruckmen at the moment. It's more than likely we'll go with one ruck, and we'll announce that soon.

The phantom has now picked Goldstein as his R2 in a herald sun article.

Watch his ownership percentage soar now..  >:( >:(

Ugh well he was a nice POD while it lasted haha!

As frenzy said, hopefully Preuss being named as an emergency every week will scare people off...
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: LordSneeze on March 21, 2018, 02:51:23 PM
Not enough love for big Goldy! Love having him in my team at 5% ownership 8)
@NMFCOfficial
Scott: It's very hard to play two genuine ruckmen at the moment. It's more than likely we'll go with one ruck, and we'll announce that soon.

The phantom has now picked Goldstein as his R2 in a herald sun article.

Watch his ownership percentage soar now..  >:( >:(

Ugh well he was a nice POD while it lasted haha!

As frenzy said, hopefully Preuss being named as an emergency every week will scare people off...

Frustrating as ive been all over him all preseason while everyone was writing him off due to the Pruess Factor.
Had him when he was in 2% of sides, now in 4.6%. if he stays under 8% ill be happy.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Rusty00 on March 21, 2018, 04:13:24 PM
Not enough love for big Goldy! Love having him in my team at 5% ownership 8)
@NMFCOfficial
Scott: It's very hard to play two genuine ruckmen at the moment. It's more than likely we'll go with one ruck, and we'll announce that soon.

The phantom has now picked Goldstein as his R2 in a herald sun article.

Watch his ownership percentage soar now..  >:( >:(

Preuss can still be named every week and scare a few people off. The Emerg bench is increased this year to 5-6 players I think.
The problem is that the people who actually take note of what the Phantom says, don't even know who Preuss is :P :(
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on March 21, 2018, 04:21:11 PM
Not enough love for big Goldy! Love having him in my team at 5% ownership 8)
@NMFCOfficial
Scott: It's very hard to play two genuine ruckmen at the moment. It's more than likely we'll go with one ruck, and we'll announce that soon.

The phantom has now picked Goldstein as his R2 in a herald sun article.

Watch his ownership percentage soar now..  >:( >:(

Preuss can still be named every week and scare a few people off. The Emerg bench is increased this year to 5-6 players I think.
The problem is that the people who actually take note of what the Phantom says, don't even know who Preuss is :P :(

We should be okay, we just need Nicnat named now and Goldy should hopefully be under 10% of teams.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ricochet on March 21, 2018, 05:59:18 PM
Yeh Goldy is starting to get a lot of attention now. Which sucks, reckon he's in for a big year
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on March 21, 2018, 07:44:06 PM
Yeh Goldy is starting to get a lot of attention now. Which sucks, reckon he's in for a big year
spot on rico,  at under 5% he was a great POD.   family life settled down and ready to resume top 2 ruck in the game.   Hope Kruez and NicNat start Rd1 to keep goldy % down.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on March 21, 2018, 08:32:23 PM
Scott said they'll play one. He didn't say who though. Get the impression Preuss will still play games, possibly at the expense of Goldy getting "rested".
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Huttabito on March 21, 2018, 08:38:53 PM
Scott said they'll play one. He didn't say who though. Get the impression Preuss will still play games, possibly at the expense of Goldy getting "rested".
Thats the vibe I got.

Still no idea what I'm going with. Goldy has been in my team for a while but I really want Kreuzer, but just know he'll miss with how fragile he is. Then there is Lycett, who should have decent JS until Rd8ish with Vardy sidelined, but with no cover, the risk is huge and you need him to play the furst 10 rounds to trade Ryder in and I'm not entirely convinced he'll stay up that long.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: tor01doc on March 21, 2018, 08:47:32 PM
Scott said they'll play one. He didn't say who though. Get the impression Preuss will still play games, possibly at the expense of Goldy getting "rested".
Thats the vibe I got.

Still no idea what I'm going with. Goldy has been in my team for a while but I really want Kreuzer, but just know he'll miss with how fragile he is. Then there is Lycett, who should have decent JS until Rd8ish with Vardy sidelined, but with no cover, the risk is huge and you need him to play the furst 10 rounds to trade Ryder in and I'm not entirely convinced he'll stay up that long.

Games played last 2 years

42 Kreuzer
42 Jacobs
42 Martin
41 Grundy
40 Goldy
39 Ryder

Don't talk to me about Sandi, NicNat, Gawn, Nankervis, Lycett blah blah

Love stats.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on March 21, 2018, 08:50:15 PM
Scott said they'll play one. He didn't say who though. Get the impression Preuss will still play games, possibly at the expense of Goldy getting "rested".
Thats the vibe I got.

Still no idea what I'm going with. Goldy has been in my team for a while but I really want Kreuzer, but just know he'll miss with how fragile he is. Then there is Lycett, who should have decent JS until Rd8ish with Vardy sidelined, but with no cover, the risk is huge and you need him to play the furst 10 rounds to trade Ryder in and I'm not entirely convinced he'll stay up that long.

Games played last 2 years

42 Kreuzer
42 Jacobs
42 Martin
41 Grundy
40 Goldy
39 Ryder

Don't talk to me about Sandi, NicNat, Gawn, Nankervis, Lycett blah blah

Love stats.
hehehehehe.   facts v opinons  welcome back from hibernation doc.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: tor01doc on March 21, 2018, 09:00:27 PM
Supercoach 2108 is go
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on March 21, 2018, 09:06:46 PM
Supercoach 2108 is go
[IMG]dyslexia catching is it?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: tor01doc on March 21, 2018, 09:12:40 PM
Supercoach 2108 is go
[IMG]dyslexia catching is it?

Just waking up from a deep sleep

Reminds me of the dyslexic agnostic insomniac who used to lie awake all night wondering whether there really was a dog.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on March 21, 2018, 09:18:10 PM
Supercoach 2108 is go
[IMG]dyslexia catching is it?

Just waking up from a deep sleep

Reminds me of the dyslexic agnostic insomniac who used to lie awake all night wondering whether there really was a dog.
nice.....   pretty sure my dog who lies around all day is not wondering if he is god.   rescue greyhound,  greatest house dog in the world.  only animal I met lazier than me.   
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on March 22, 2018, 06:11:55 PM
Goldy @ 5% ownership,  8) thank you Nic Nat for getting up for Rnd 1.  ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Southstorm on March 22, 2018, 06:57:18 PM
Is it just me or does nobody see Preuss written anywhere on the team sheets?

 
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on March 24, 2018, 01:15:12 PM
A question to Goldy owners.
 Just what happens when Waite gets an inevitable injury? Pruess would surely come in then? Plus there's Daw who they are trying as a back but his best (only) position is ruck.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 24, 2018, 01:20:13 PM
A question to Goldy owners.
 Just what happens when Waite gets an inevitable injury? Pruess would surely come in then? Plus there's Daw who they are trying as a back but his best (only) position is ruck.

Will worry about that if and when it happens. According to Scott, Waite hasn't even peaked yet.  ;D
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on March 24, 2018, 01:21:55 PM
A question to Goldy owners.
 Just what happens when Waite gets an inevitable injury? Pruess would surely come in then? Plus there's Daw who they are trying as a back but his best (only) position is ruck.

Daw isnt a great ruck.

Mason Wood still needs to come in too. North have plenty of talls
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on March 24, 2018, 01:22:06 PM
A question to Goldy owners.
 Just what happens when Waite gets an inevitable injury? Pruess would surely come in then? Plus there's Daw who they are trying as a back but his best (only) position is ruck.

Wood to come back yet and others like McKay as well
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Torpedo10 on March 24, 2018, 01:22:27 PM
My ruck combination has actually been the area that I've been most comfortable with over the last week!
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: GoLions on March 24, 2018, 01:22:42 PM
A question to Goldy owners.
 Just what happens when Waite gets an inevitable injury? Pruess would surely come in then? Plus there's Daw who they are trying as a back but his best (only) position is ruck.

Will worry about that if and when it happens. According to Scott, Waite hasn't even peaked yet.  ;D
Yeah he still needs a bit of time to develop. Give him another 2 years I reckon and he'll be hard to stop.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: timtim on March 24, 2018, 01:46:02 PM
Anyone running the gauntlet on nicnat?

I'm strapping in for the ride!
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: bkp130 on March 24, 2018, 01:52:44 PM
Anyone running the gauntlet on nicnat?

I'm strapping in for the ride!

Your a Brave Man.

Im thinking about taking the risk on sinclair. That should be a ride too.

What do you guys think about Sinclair? Only decent ruck fit in sydney for pretty much the whole season. Hopefully can score 80-90 for the whole seas
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 24, 2018, 08:02:23 PM
Absolutely horror conditions, but Goldy still pumped out a 60+ 1st qtr  8)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on March 24, 2018, 08:21:36 PM
Absolutely horror conditions, but Goldy still pumped out a 60+ 1st qtr  8)

These conditions suit ruckman to a tee, as shown by Witts top scoring for the Suns. Stoppages galore.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on March 24, 2018, 08:39:14 PM
I picked Stef. I guess I can't be dissapointed. Dang it though Goldy.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Torpedo10 on March 24, 2018, 08:44:11 PM
It has been a half, not feeling super comfortable yet.

Would be nice to see a big 150+ score to start though.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on March 24, 2018, 10:48:20 PM
Martin ended up outscoring him :o
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: MontyJnr on March 25, 2018, 12:14:23 AM
What happened to Goldy in the second half? Any reason for the drop off?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ingram on March 25, 2018, 04:55:00 AM
He heard about Ryder and wanted to keep flying under the radar.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on March 25, 2018, 02:44:04 PM
What happened to Goldy in the second half? Any reason for the drop off?
Spent a fair bit of time rotating with Ben Brown and when he went forward not good conditions for them.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on March 25, 2018, 10:55:20 PM
Can't complain with Gawn and Goldy but Nicnat looked awesome and only played 54% of the game
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 25, 2018, 11:07:32 PM
Can't complain with Gawn and Goldy but Nicnat looked awesome and only played 54% of the game

Which means he'll be managed, very happy I steered clear.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: AaronKirk on March 25, 2018, 11:11:12 PM
Can't complain with Gawn and Goldy but Nicnat looked awesome and only played 54% of the game

Which means he'll be managed, very happy I steered clear.

I reckon I could nearly have the same hitout stats if I was in a ruck contest against either Sinclair or Towers.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on March 25, 2018, 11:22:16 PM
Can't complain with Gawn and Goldy but Nicnat looked awesome and only played 54% of the game

Which means he'll be managed, very happy I steered clear.

Well he scored 113 being managed and it was his first game in 18 months. Only going to get better
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 25, 2018, 11:29:07 PM
Can't complain with Gawn and Goldy but Nicnat looked awesome and only played 54% of the game

Which means he'll be managed, very happy I steered clear.

Well he scored 113 being managed and it was his first game in 18 months. Only going to get better

Against the worst ruck combo in the league. Could also be rested at some stage.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on March 25, 2018, 11:37:47 PM
Can't complain with Gawn and Goldy but Nicnat looked awesome and only played 54% of the game

Which means he'll be managed, very happy I steered clear.

Well he scored 113 being managed and it was his first game in 18 months. Only going to get better

Against the worst ruck combo in the league. Could also be rested at some stage.

It wasn't the hitouts I was impressed with it was the way he moved and jumped and threw himself in. Was good in the air, No strapping on the knee and didn't look affected by it at all. If you're not impressed with 113 from 54% game time then you're a hard man to please haha
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 25, 2018, 11:41:36 PM
Can't complain with Gawn and Goldy but Nicnat looked awesome and only played 54% of the game

Which means he'll be managed, very happy I steered clear.

Well he scored 113 being managed and it was his first game in 18 months. Only going to get better

Against the worst ruck combo in the league. Could also be rested at some stage.

It wasn't the hitouts I was impressed with it was the way he moved and jumped and threw himself in. Was good in the air, No strapping on the knee and didn't look affected by it at all. If you're not impressed with 113 from 54% game time then you're a hard man to please haha

Never questioned his ability, just saying that he won't be scoring that well every week. The fact they benched him when the game was on the line speaks volumes.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on March 25, 2018, 11:48:12 PM
Can't complain with Gawn and Goldy but Nicnat looked awesome and only played 54% of the game

Which means he'll be managed, very happy I steered clear.


Well he scored 113 being managed and it was his first game in 18 months. Only going to get better

Against the worst ruck combo in the league. Could also be rested at some stage.

It wasn't the hitouts I was impressed with it was the way he moved and jumped and threw himself in. Was good in the air, No strapping on the knee and didn't look affected by it at all. If you're not impressed with 113 from 54% game time then you're a hard man to please haha

Never questioned his ability, just saying that he won't be scoring that well every week. The fact they benched him when the game was on the line speaks volumes.

They would have always planned for him only to play half the game. They aren't going to risk him just because the game is close.
Anyway, my point was that he looked great and I expect 100+ from him for the year. Still happy with the Gawn/Goldy combo
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jvalles69 on March 25, 2018, 11:57:40 PM
Can't complain with Gawn and Goldy but Nicnat looked awesome and only played 54% of the game

Which means he'll be managed, very happy I steered clear.

Well he scored 113 being managed and it was his first game in 18 months. Only going to get better

Against the worst ruck combo in the league. Could also be rested at some stage.

It wasn't the hitouts I was impressed with it was the way he moved and jumped and threw himself in. Was good in the air, No strapping on the knee and didn't look affected by it at all. If you're not impressed with 113 from 54% game time then you're a hard man to please haha

Never questioned his ability, just saying that he won't be scoring that well every week. The fact they benched him when the game was on the line speaks volumes.

Huh?  He had a minutes restriction and reached it so he was put on the bench.  Him and JKK are massive in our team's success, with the injuries they've sustained especially NicNat, why would we deal with that drama in a round 1 game?  :o
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 26, 2018, 12:08:50 AM
Can't complain with Gawn and Goldy but Nicnat looked awesome and only played 54% of the game

Which means he'll be managed, very happy I steered clear.

Well he scored 113 being managed and it was his first game in 18 months. Only going to get better

Against the worst ruck combo in the league. Could also be rested at some stage.

It wasn't the hitouts I was impressed with it was the way he moved and jumped and threw himself in. Was good in the air, No strapping on the knee and didn't look affected by it at all. If you're not impressed with 113 from 54% game time then you're a hard man to please haha

Never questioned his ability, just saying that he won't be scoring that well every week. The fact they benched him when the game was on the line speaks volumes.

Huh?  He had a minutes restriction and reached it so he was put on the bench.  Him and JKK are massive in our team's success, with the injuries they've sustained especially NicNat, why would we deal with that drama in a round 1 game?  :o

Again, I'm not questioning his ability just saying they will gradually increase his workload, irrespective of the circumstances onfield. That doesn't bode well for SC scoring.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on March 26, 2018, 12:45:19 PM
Nicnat was moving well and looked in much better nick than I was expecting.   Will provide a lift to the poor old eagles.   Still not worth having the risk in your rucks without a fall back option to use.     
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jvalles69 on March 26, 2018, 12:51:57 PM
Nicnat was moving well and looked in much better nick than I was expecting.   Will provide a lift to the poor old eagles.   Still not worth having the risk in your rucks without a fall back option to use.   

Some of his taps were marvellous weren't they!  8)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on March 26, 2018, 01:13:25 PM
Nicnat was moving well and looked in much better nick than I was expecting.   Will provide a lift to the poor old eagles.   Still not worth having the risk in your rucks without a fall back option to use.   

Some of his taps were marvellous weren't they!  8)
bloody impressive.  joy to watch.   
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on March 26, 2018, 05:38:34 PM
Nicnat was moving well and looked in much better nick than I was expecting.   Will provide a lift to the poor old eagles.   Still not worth having the risk in your rucks without a fall back option to use.   

Big Timmy English
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on March 26, 2018, 08:38:46 PM
Nicnat was moving well and looked in much better nick than I was expecting.   Will provide a lift to the poor old eagles.   Still not worth having the risk in your rucks without a fall back option to use.   

Big Timmy English
Nicnat, rested or injured, same week English is dropped and it is chocolate Donuts for everyone.   Without a R/F option to a Lobb or Nank I just see NN as too risky.     mind you english could also save you a donut if all goes well.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 30, 2018, 03:13:17 PM
If English is dropped for Redpath next week NicNat could become a liability.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: _wato on March 30, 2018, 03:20:05 PM
English is gonna get towelled this week, score of 30-40 incoming.

Gonna 100% wait on him.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on March 30, 2018, 04:23:46 PM
English is gonna get towelled this week, score of 30-40 incoming.

Gonna 100% wait on him.
Will be a good test. He was impressive against GWS for a first gamer. Was probably the biggest (or only) positive the Dogs could take out of the game. Rucked okay but it was his coverage of the ground and ability to win and use the pill that impressed me.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on March 30, 2018, 07:26:34 PM
Soo Todd Goldstien

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on March 30, 2018, 07:28:33 PM
Soo Todd Goldstien
Did well against an injured Longer.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on March 30, 2018, 07:37:27 PM
Soo Todd Goldstien
Did well against an injured Longer.
Nearly went Goldy for Ryder but stopped short he scored good against barely there opposition today , he is up against Gawn next week that might be a bigger test , still not sure who to get  :-\
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Colty on March 30, 2018, 07:39:49 PM
Soo Todd Goldstien
Did well against an injured Longer.
Nearly went Goldy for Ryder but stopped short he scored good against barely there opposition today , he is up against Gawn next week that might be a bigger test , still not sure who to get  :-\
Remember when Boldy got 170 odd against Gawn two years ago.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on March 30, 2018, 07:50:42 PM
Soo Todd Goldstien
Did well against an injured Longer.

And a 112cm witts
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on March 30, 2018, 07:52:37 PM
Soo Todd Goldstien
Did well against an injured Longer.
Nearly went Goldy for Ryder but stopped short he scored good against barely there opposition today , he is up against Gawn next week that might be a bigger test , still not sure who to get  :-\
Remember when Boldy got 170 odd against Gawn two years ago.
Just looked that up and yes 172 , 5 goals  Gawn also got 172 that game as well if FF archives are correct , my money will be on Gawn next week and I still don't know who to get  ;D
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on March 30, 2018, 07:56:00 PM
Goldy as safe as houses, 5% ownership is outrageously low.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on March 30, 2018, 07:59:41 PM
Soo Todd Goldstien
Did well against an injured Longer.
Nearly went Goldy for Ryder but stopped short he scored good against barely there opposition today , he is up against Gawn next week that might be a bigger test , still not sure who to get  :-\

I would recommend Nank but it's a bit late. NN high risk high reward and depends if English stays.
Martin is like Nank and gets alot of points around the ground I would go him if not NN.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: GoLions on March 30, 2018, 09:05:30 PM
Soo Todd Goldstien
Did well against an injured Longer.

And a 112cm witts
No wonder he scored well last week
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: tommy10 on March 30, 2018, 09:08:55 PM
Soo Todd Goldstien
Did well against an injured Longer.

And a 112cm witts
No wonder he scored well last week
;D
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Mongoose528 on March 31, 2018, 11:10:05 PM
Anyone else here have Sandilands?

Surely I'm not the only one that made the mistake of starting him.  :-[
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on April 01, 2018, 01:22:35 PM
I have both Martin and gawn and they appeared to take points of each other last night. Still sticking with them though.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on April 01, 2018, 01:34:39 PM
I have both Martin and gawn and they appeared to take points of each other last night. Still sticking with them though.

Does any1 have the stats for Martin when Cox is in the team. I think this could be your answer, only imo of course.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: GoLions on April 01, 2018, 02:24:13 PM
I have both Martin and gawn and they appeared to take points of each other last night. Still sticking with them though.

Does any1 have the stats for Martin when Cox is in the team. I think this could be your answer, only imo of course.
Cedric?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on April 01, 2018, 02:58:06 PM
I have both Martin and gawn and they appeared to take points of each other last night. Still sticking with them though.

Does any1 have the stats for Martin when Cox is in the team. I think this could be your answer, only imo of course.
Cedric?

Whoops sorry dunno what I was thinking there, forget I spoke. My bad.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on April 01, 2018, 02:59:20 PM
I have both Martin and gawn and they appeared to take points of each other last night. Still sticking with them though.
Noticed that, expect both to bounce back next week.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: GoLions on April 01, 2018, 03:05:28 PM
I have both Martin and gawn and they appeared to take points of each other last night. Still sticking with them though.

Does any1 have the stats for Martin when Cox is in the team. I think this could be your answer, only imo of course.
Cedric?

Whoops sorry dunno what I was thinking there, forget I spoke. My bad.
Haha, confused with Grundy? :P
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on April 01, 2018, 08:28:01 PM
I have both Martin and gawn and they appeared to take points of each other last night. Still sticking with them though.

Does any1 have the stats for Martin when Cox is in the team. I think this could be your answer, only imo of course.
Cedric?

Whoops sorry dunno what I was thinking there, forget I spoke. My bad.
Haha, confused with Grundy? :P

Yep, you got that in one. Grundy went 140 something this week without Cox and I was in shock, lol
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Woppa15 on April 02, 2018, 10:46:11 AM
Goldy as safe as houses, 5% ownership is outrageously low.

So glad I got on board this one!! Had Grundy and swapped him for Goldy, scores seem comparable but only 5% ownership is outrageous and think Goldy has a better chance of going the distance
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on April 02, 2018, 11:17:32 AM
Goldy as safe as houses, 5% ownership is outrageously low.

So glad I got on board this one!! Had Grundy and swapped him for Goldy, scores seem comparable but only 5% ownership is outrageous and think Goldy has a better chance of going the distance

Yep, low ownership but more so the fact I think he's the best chance of playing 22 was why I started him too
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on April 02, 2018, 11:26:02 AM
Goldy as safe as houses, 5% ownership is outrageously low.

So glad I got on board this one!! Had Grundy and swapped him for Goldy, scores seem comparable but only 5% ownership is outrageous and think Goldy has a better chance of going the distance

Yep, low ownership but more so the fact I think he's the best chance of playing 22 was why I started him too
You're off the mark there.
Jacobs.  :)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Mongoose528 on April 02, 2018, 08:27:39 PM
Sandilands; stick or twist?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Rusty00 on April 02, 2018, 09:17:17 PM
Based on Big Boy’s performance today if Geelong don’t bring back Smith and stick with Stanley, NicNat will score 200 next week.............in 50% game time
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on April 02, 2018, 09:42:03 PM
Based on Big Boy’s performance today if Geelong don’t bring back Smith and stick with Stanley, NicNat will score 200 next week.............in 50% game time
Why the hell they would play Stanley as sole ruck is beyond me. Would have been better off with Buzza lol.
Ratugolea out hurt too. Hawkins was useless. I'd be playing Buzza and Smith over Stanley and Hawkins.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jfitty on April 03, 2018, 08:42:56 AM
Sandilands; stick or twist?

Do you have much cash in the bank?

I'd almost consider trading him if the rest of your team is settled. Breakeven of 136, which isn't too high, but don't want him to pump out another shocker score and be out of reach of any ruckman to sideways trade to (NicNat/Nank).
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Mongoose528 on April 03, 2018, 09:05:15 AM
Sandilands; stick or twist?

Do you have much cash in the bank?

I'd almost consider trading him if the rest of your team is settled. Breakeven of 136, which isn't too high, but don't want him to pump out another shocker score and be out of reach of any ruckman to sideways trade to (NicNat/Nank).

I've only got 30k in the bank, so if I get rid of him, I'd have to trade one of Cameron, Armitage, Lobb or Naughton.

I'm just thinking of doing Cameron -> Olango
and Sandi -> Goldstein
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on April 03, 2018, 09:34:24 AM
Expecting Stef to bounce back this week against Dixon/Westhoff in a big way.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Frankfaust on April 03, 2018, 10:22:25 AM
Byrne -> Bonner


Hibberd - > Simpson


Worth doing both?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: GoLions on April 03, 2018, 10:39:54 AM
Byrne -> Bonner


Hibberd - > Simpson


Worth doing both?
Big Dawson Simpson?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Frankfaust on April 03, 2018, 10:45:55 AM
Byrne -> Bonner


Hibberd - > Simpson


Worth doing both?
Big Dawson Simpson?


Ha! That would be a whole other pile of p**! No, Kade, I mean.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on April 03, 2018, 10:47:24 AM
Byrne -> Bonner


Hibberd - > Simpson


Worth doing both?
Big Dawson Simpson?


Ha! That would be a whole other pile of p**! No, Kade, I mean.
Think GL was stirring ya because you posted that in the Rucks thread ;)

Fwiw, Byrne to Bonner is worth it, Hibberd to Simpson I feel is just getting caught up in 2 weeks of good form by one, and bad form by the other. Should average around the same come season's end.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Frankfaust on April 03, 2018, 10:49:30 AM
Oops. Apologies. I got my entry tangled up - doing so much reading here. Mea culpa. Can someone shift it? Or not worth it, probably.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Frankfaust on April 03, 2018, 10:51:20 AM
Byrne -> Bonner


Hibberd - > Simpson


Worth doing both?
Big Dawson Simpson?


Ha! That would be a whole other pile of p**! No, Kade, I mean.
Think GL was stirring ya because you posted that in the Rucks thread ;)

Fwiw, Byrne to Bonner is worth it, Hibberd to Simpson I feel is just getting caught up in 2 weeks of good form by one, and bad form by the other. Should average around the same come season's end.


Thanks Silverlion. Appreciated.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on April 03, 2018, 12:12:13 PM
Byrne -> Bonner


Hibberd - > Simpson


Worth doing both?
Big Dawson Simpson?


Ha! That would be a whole other pile of p**! No, Kade, I mean.
Think GL was stirring ya because you posted that in the Rucks thread ;)

Fwiw, Byrne to Bonner is worth it, Hibberd to Simpson I feel is just getting caught up in 2 weeks of good form by one, and bad form by the other. Should average around the same come season's end.
I think it's more to do with role than form. Simpson is the man without Doch, whereas Hibberd is taking much less kick ins and less interceptions due to Lever.
I way over thought Simmo trying to find reasons not to pick him (age,only avgs 90 ) when its quite simple. No Doch ='Simmo kills it.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Nige on April 03, 2018, 12:22:30 PM
The Nank pick has worked well the first two weeks, the boy looks good.

Has a good challenge against Big Boy this week, but I'm still expecting at least a 90.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Huttabito on April 03, 2018, 12:23:27 PM
Kreuzer owes me big time the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on April 07, 2018, 04:59:49 PM
Soo Todd Goldstien
???
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on April 07, 2018, 05:12:20 PM
Liking my Gawn Martin combo. Hiccup last week though for both as they played one another.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on April 07, 2018, 05:33:11 PM
Liking my Gawn Martin combo. Hiccup last week though for both as they played one another.
A big ol' +1 to this ;D
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Torpedo10 on April 07, 2018, 05:40:52 PM
Liking my Gawn Martin combo. Hiccup last week though for both as they played one another.
A big ol' +1 to this ;D
Can we say the same for Goldy this week?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Mat0369 on April 07, 2018, 05:43:49 PM
Liking my Gawn Martin combo. Hiccup last week though for both as they played one another.

You can only beat who you play, but having said that Stef's opposition in the ruck against Port was probably the weakest of any team not named the Bulldogs. He looked awful in round 1, went massive today though and hasn't got a tough run the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on April 07, 2018, 06:45:48 PM
Goldy why? :(
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on April 07, 2018, 06:56:33 PM
Soo Todd Goldstien
???
Knew there was something NQR.
What happens when North play the top teams or he plays another top ruck?
Grundy and Stef proving doubters wrong. So much for Cox and Smith wrecking their output...  I thought Goldy was worth a punt with renewed love/form and no Preuss but feel that Grundy,Stef or even Nank would have been better choices...
Hope he can turn it around.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: tkringle on April 07, 2018, 07:06:11 PM
Soo Todd Goldstien
???
Knew there was something NQR.
What happens when North play the top teams or he plays another top ruck?
Grundy and Stef proving doubters wrong. So much for Cox and Smith wrecking their output...  I thought Goldy was worth a punt with renewed love/form and no Preuss but feel that Grundy,Stef or even Nank would have been better choices...
Hope he can turn it around.

Bit of a short memory on display here..Martin only scored 63 last week against Gawn!
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on April 07, 2018, 09:05:30 PM
Soo Todd Goldstien
???
Knew there was something NQR.
What happens when North play the top teams or he plays another top ruck?
Grundy and Stef proving doubters wrong. So much for Cox and Smith wrecking their output...  I thought Goldy was worth a punt with renewed love/form and no Preuss but feel that Grundy,Stef or even Nank would have been better choices...
Hope he can turn it around.

Goldy is priced at 95 and is averaging 95 after having a shocking game. Gave away too many free kicks which made a bad game a terrible game.

Everyone raving about martin but he is going 109 after a monster this week. He had a bad game last week too.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on April 07, 2018, 09:07:38 PM
Rd 1: Towelled up by Witts (scored about 40 points after quarter time)
Rd 2: Beat up an injured Longer and rucked against Josh Bruce for half the game
Rd 3: Destroyed by Gawn

If Scott had any clue at all he would drop this pea-hearted, has-been and play Preuss.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on April 07, 2018, 09:13:48 PM
Rd 1: Towelled up by Witts (scored about 40 points after quarter time)
Rd 2: Beat up an injured Longer and rucked against Josh Bruce for half the game
Rd 3: Destroyed by Gawn

If Scott had any clue at all he would drop this pea-hearted, has-been and play Preuss.

Towled up by witts?

He won the hitout battle albiet it marginally.

Witts is a good ruck he had a good batle with sandi today, which sandi won but not by a huge margin.

Gawn is killing everyone no shame in going down to him. Guess stefan martin should have been dropped after last week too right?


Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on April 07, 2018, 09:37:07 PM
Witts had 25 disposals (15 contested), 4 marks, 5 tackles and was just about the best player on the ground. Probably compensates for the 1 less hitout.

The reason why Goldstein used to be so dominant was due to using his aerobic capacity to outwork his opponent on the spread and around the contest, but he just can't be flowered anymore. The bloke is mentally soft.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on April 11, 2018, 10:03:59 PM
Found this on North site.     Scott discussing Goldstein.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-04-11/roos-to-keep-the-faith-in-goldstein#/ (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-04-11/roos-to-keep-the-faith-in-goldstein#/)
NORTH Melbourne will maintain its faith in Todd Goldstein for Saturday night's clash against Carlton, but Kangaroos coach Brad Scott has had "really upfront discussions" with the ruckman after his disappointing performance against Melbourne.

Following a strong game against St Kilda on Good Friday, Goldstein crashed back to earth last Saturday at the MCG as he was soundly beaten in the ruck by Demon Max Gawn.

Gawn was a clear best on ground in the Demons' 37-point win, finishing with 18 possessions, six marks and three score assists, while he had 50 hit-outs to Goldstein's 15.

Scott told reporters in his post-match press conference Gawn had "really got a hold" of Goldstein during Melbourne's win.

However, the North coach confirmed Goldstein would maintain his hold on the Roos' No.1 ruck spot against Carlton, but said the 29-year-old had to rediscover the strengths that had made him the best ruckman in the competition in 2015.



Now dropping Goldy would put a cat amongst the pigeons and totally piss me off.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jfitty on April 11, 2018, 10:11:36 PM
Hopefully it gives him a rev up >:(
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on April 11, 2018, 10:16:58 PM
Hopefully it gives him a rev up >:(
if not better save a trade to cover his donut.   any chance frampton gets a gig,  May have to bring english in or do a long term sideways trade to Witts/Jacobs
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on April 11, 2018, 10:38:59 PM
Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he was dropped at some stage in the year. Scott has shown that he will do that if he feels it's necessary.

One of the reasons I wasn't buying into the hype around him; Preuss is a decent ruckman that will need game time sooner or later. Wouldn't take much for Goldstein to be dropped for a couple of weeks to give him a go.

Of course he could average 120+ from here on out and never look like being dropped, but the possibility is still there.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jfitty on April 11, 2018, 10:45:51 PM
Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he was dropped at some stage in the year. Scott has shown that he will do that if he feels it's necessary.

One of the reasons I wasn't buying into the hype around him; Preuss is a decent ruckman that will need game time sooner or later. Wouldn't take much for Goldstein to be dropped for a couple of weeks to give him a go.

Of course he could average 120+ from here on out and never look like being dropped, but the possibility is still there.

It really could go either way from here, let's hope it's the 120 average route..

On the bright side, in 2015 when he averaged 128 he did score a 40 ;D
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on April 12, 2018, 12:36:36 AM
the saving grace this week is the Norf VFL team getting a touch up by the academy kids in a praccy match.   :o No one worthy of a senior callup, Scott said.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: igotworms on April 12, 2018, 03:44:30 PM
Think we might be revisiting this thread after Saturday nights game! Goldy had a stinker against the premium ruck in the competition. He will bounce back this week, especially if Kreuzer isn't one hundred percent as he clearly wasn't last week.
Is it just me, or are a lot of people jumping off players too readily this year? Billings, Walters after round 1, Goldstein.......... hey Dusty was average last week, maybe we should trade him!!  ::)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on April 12, 2018, 03:48:22 PM
Think we might be revisiting this thread after Saturday nights game! Goldy had a stinker against the premium ruck in the competition. He will bounce back this week, especially if Kreuzer isn't one hundred percent as he clearly wasn't last week.
Is it just me, or are a lot of people jumping off players too readily this year? Billings, Walters after round 1, Goldstein.......... hey Dusty was average last week, maybe we should trade him!!  ::)

Haha yep happens every year. All the pre season studying and debating feels like it goes down the drain as soon as a player has a quiet game in the early rounds
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on April 12, 2018, 04:54:31 PM
Think we might be revisiting this thread after Saturday nights game! Goldy had a stinker against the premium ruck in the competition. He will bounce back this week, especially if Kreuzer isn't one hundred percent as he clearly wasn't last week.
Is it just me, or are a lot of people jumping off players too readily this year? Billings, Walters after round 1, Goldstein.......... hey Dusty was average last week, maybe we should trade him!!  ::)
There is also a difference between jumping off and preparing yourself for a player being dropped or injured and having a fall back plan in place.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: igotworms on April 12, 2018, 06:15:11 PM
There is also a difference between jumping off and preparing yourself for a player being dropped or injured and having a fall back plan in place.
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So are you insinuating that Goldstein will be dropped? Gawn has demolished each opponent so far this year!
Zac Smith round 1! (who also got dropped)
Stefan Martin round 2! (don't here negative feedback for Stef whom I might add has had the monster score to inflate his average)
Goldy round 3!!

I would argue that its more an indictment on how good Gawn is as opposed to how bad Goldy is!!
I'm pretty sure Goldy will bounce back this weekend against Kreuzer, especially if he isn't 100% like he clearly wasn't last week against the Pies.
Preuss is also injured which helps his cause!
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on April 13, 2018, 10:23:50 PM
Grundy...
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on April 13, 2018, 10:25:02 PM
Grundy obviously the standout this year, hard to see him slowing down from here.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on April 13, 2018, 10:31:42 PM
Bit the bullet and traded Grundy in before the game .... nice  :D
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on April 13, 2018, 10:35:50 PM
Bit the bullet and traded Grundy in before the game .... nice  :D
Who for?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on April 13, 2018, 10:44:59 PM
Bit the bullet and traded Grundy in before the game .... nice  :D
Who for?
I started Ryder expecting to use 2 trades for his bye and when he got injured I got Witts ( stupid trade ) just could not afford Grundy I could this week so traded him in for Witts figured it's still 2 trades and I have avoided all the other carnage , worked out ok  ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on April 13, 2018, 10:54:26 PM
Grundy will be over 600k this week & climbing, will watch Goldy closely & may make the switch.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: sammy123 on April 13, 2018, 10:56:41 PM
I coild b tempted to trade Jacobs to grundy
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Judd Magic on April 13, 2018, 11:03:20 PM
I have Gawn and Nank.

Nank working out so far for the price he was.

Can't really complain even though Grundy is killing it. Haha!  ;D
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on April 13, 2018, 11:07:55 PM
Thinking that with Grundy only 24 & entering his prime years this could be the big breakout year. Can't see anyone stealing his thunder, Gawn & Grundy top 2 in my opinion.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: North Melbournes Finest on April 13, 2018, 11:13:19 PM
Grundy is looking like the best preseason pick I've ever had for supercoach (since day 1).
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on April 13, 2018, 11:25:29 PM
Grundy is on fire! Well done to anyone that jumped on
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on April 14, 2018, 08:37:05 AM
Bit the bullet and traded Grundy in before the game .... nice  :D
Who for?
I started Ryder expecting to use 2 trades for his bye and when he got injured I got Witts ( stupid trade ) just could not afford Grundy I could this week so traded him in for Witts figured it's still 2 trades and I have avoided all the other carnage , worked out ok  ;)
Interesting...

Think you were a bit harsh trading out Witts so soon. Last week was his first ever sub 70 since joining the suns IIRC.

Though I guess you can't complain with Grundy so far haha.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on April 14, 2018, 09:07:55 AM
Bit the bullet and traded Grundy in before the game .... nice  :D
Who for?
I started Ryder expecting to use 2 trades for his bye and when he got injured I got Witts ( stupid trade ) just could not afford Grundy I could this week so traded him in for Witts figured it's still 2 trades and I have avoided all the other carnage , worked out ok  ;)
Interesting...

Think you were a bit harsh trading out Witts so soon. Last week was his first ever sub 70 since joining the suns IIRC.

Though I guess you can't complain with Grundy so far haha.
Yeah maybe you are right about Witts but I had a chance to grab Grundy this week with only Ryan to fix next week it might not be possible so it worked out well  :)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on April 14, 2018, 09:45:14 AM
Bit the bullet and traded Grundy in before the game .... nice  :D
Who for?
I started Ryder expecting to use 2 trades for his bye and when he got injured I got Witts ( stupid trade ) just could not afford Grundy I could this week so traded him in for Witts figured it's still 2 trades and I have avoided all the other carnage , worked out ok  ;)
Interesting...

Think you were a bit harsh trading out Witts so soon. Last week was his first ever sub 70 since joining the suns IIRC.

Though I guess you can't complain with Grundy so far haha.
Yeah maybe you are right about Witts but I had a chance to grab Grundy this week with only Ryan to fix next week it might not be possible so it worked out well  :)

Decisive trading, I like it. Grundy will be a good pick this year.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on April 14, 2018, 09:49:50 AM
So much for the "he doesn't score well with Cox in the team"
He's got the most potential of any ruck to improve, is very mobile and athletic for a big guy.
Spewing I doubted him with the Cox factor and picked Goldy. Can't see Goldy getting back to his best tbh.
Would have made the trade if I didn't have so many other issues.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on April 14, 2018, 09:57:11 AM
So much for the "he doesn't score well with Cox in the team"
He's got the most potential of any ruck to improve, is very mobile and athletic for a big guy.
Spewing I doubted him with the Cox factor and picked Goldy. Can't see Goldy getting back to his best tbh.
Would have made the trade if I didn't have so many other issues.

I had Grundy in there for a brief moment but ultimately went for Goldy. Very much open to trading this week if Goldy has a another shocker.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on April 14, 2018, 10:32:23 AM
So much for the "he doesn't score well with Cox in the team"
He's got the most potential of any ruck to improve, is very mobile and athletic for a big guy.
Spewing I doubted him with the Cox factor and picked Goldy. Can't see Goldy getting back to his best tbh.
Would have made the trade if I didn't have so many other issues.
Don't go there...

I picked Grundy last year expecting him break out like he seems to have this year, and although he was good, he didn't.

Buckley also played Cox in the ruck for a lot of last year, and the games where he did, Grundy scored poor.

This year, Cox is playing almost exclusively forward and Grundy is breaking out. I didn't pick Grundy again because I figured Cox would continue taking a share of the ruck.

Gotta love Collingwood :-X
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on April 14, 2018, 01:15:57 PM
Thinking that with Grundy only 24 & entering his prime years this could be the big breakout year. Can't see anyone stealing his thunder, Gawn & Grundy top 2 in my opinion.
+1
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: DunnyBrush on April 14, 2018, 10:50:39 PM
Need 2 of Gawn, Grundy, Martin, NinNat theres the top 4.

Goldy is shower.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Hazza09 on April 14, 2018, 11:07:03 PM
Goldy has to go! Enough is Enough!
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: fuzeski on April 15, 2018, 01:26:29 AM
Goldy has to go! Enough is Enough!
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on April 15, 2018, 06:02:46 AM
Considering a Jacobs to Grundy trade for next week.
As things stand right now it's a done deal. Just depends on what happens with today's games (no injuries) and a positive update/news on J Kelly.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on April 15, 2018, 07:03:45 AM
I made a mistake.  Thought his personal issues were behind him.,  Goldy is out.  Grundy in this week.   
Was a pleasure watching Grundy on Friday night.   Great tap work, and then 25 possessions as well.   
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Torpedo10 on April 15, 2018, 08:42:22 AM
Goldy has a good bye, Grundy doesn't.

Hopefully Goldy doesn't get dropped, because unless he is, there are more pressing issues for my side personally than a Ruckman averaging 90.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on April 15, 2018, 08:55:54 AM
Haha what happened to Goldy being a top ruckman?

2 bad games and you all jump off...

I picked Stef and he has only tonned up 2/4 as well. Not concerned in the slightest.

Think you all are just chasing Grundy's points. Doubt he keeps up a 135 average.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gandalf123 on April 15, 2018, 08:59:33 AM
Goldy has a good bye, Grundy doesn't.

Hopefully Goldy doesn't get dropped, because unless he is, there are more pressing issues for my side personally than a Ruckman averaging 90.
They have the same bye?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on April 15, 2018, 09:15:35 AM
Goldy has a good bye, Grundy doesn't.

Hopefully Goldy doesn't get dropped, because unless he is, there are more pressing issues for my side personally than a Ruckman averaging 90.
There's only 2 ruck spots. It's essential to get 2 of the top 4 ruckmen if possible. Grundy is avg 130 BEFORE this round.
Goldstein won't get dropped after a big win where he and Majak did a decent job working Kreuzer over.
But Kreuz was injury affected, up against fit rucks he is in trouble I reckon.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Torpedo10 on April 15, 2018, 09:29:07 AM
Goldy has a good bye, Grundy doesn't.

Hopefully Goldy doesn't get dropped, because unless he is, there are more pressing issues for my side personally than a Ruckman averaging 90.
There's only 2 ruck spots. It's essential to get 2 of the top 4 ruckmen if possible. Grundy is avg 130 BEFORE this round.
Goldstein won't get dropped after a big win where he and Majak did a decent job working Kreuzer over.
But Kreuz was injury affected, up against fit rucks he is in trouble I reckon.
Woops, for some reason I thought Grundy was a R14.

Either way, as the season progresses and Cox is there, he will gradually take more of the ruck duties to give Grundy a cut out. Goldy  has historically had his fitness as his strength, so I don't see much changing in terms of load with him, except if Preuss replaces him.

Like has been mentioned, all we need is a big 130+ score from Goldy and all is forgotten.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: igotworms on April 15, 2018, 09:32:33 AM
Have to say, I expected more from Goldy this week against Kreuzer who doesn't look 100%. Will stick fat with him I think, despite Grundy looking mighty tempting! As mentioned, only needs a big one to get back on track. Up against Big Boy McEvoy next week then a ruckless Port the week after at Etihad!
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on April 15, 2018, 09:49:23 AM
As much as Goldy has been frustrating over the past 2 weeks, I have 10 other players before him who need to go so Goldy survives and all I can do is hope he improves
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: igotworms on April 15, 2018, 09:56:13 AM
As much as Goldy has been frustrating over the past 2 weeks, I have 10 other players before him who need to go so Goldy survives and all I can do is hope he improves

Its been a roller coaster couple of weeks RD! That's no good for your start to the year.  :'( I've been lucky enough to escape the carnage with only M. Crouch being injured. Can afford to luxury trade Goldy, but think I'll hang tight in the hope he comes good! Venables may be another with his ankle, but don't think it is too serious.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Torpedo10 on April 15, 2018, 10:00:21 AM
As much as Goldy has been frustrating over the past 2 weeks, I have 10 other players before him who need to go so Goldy survives and all I can do is hope he improves

Its been a roller coaster couple of weeks RD! That's no good for your start to the year.  :'( I've been lucky enough to escape the carnage with only M. Crouch being injured. Can afford to luxury trade Goldy, but think I'll hang tight in the hope he comes good! Venables may be another with his ankle, but don't think it is too serious.
Apparently Simpson said he almost came back on (Source: Gigantor) so I'd say he wouldn't be too far off playing next week.

Worst case, he becomes a handy loophole option.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Nige on April 15, 2018, 11:02:48 AM
Nank had his worst game so far yesterday and was probably lucky to get 81 in the end. I'm pretty happy with 95, 108, 101 and 81 so far. And that's been against Kreuz, Sauce, Big Boy and Stef so far.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Torpedo10 on April 15, 2018, 11:06:46 AM
Nank had his worst game so far yesterday and was probably lucky to get 81 in the end. I'm pretty happy with 95, 108, 101 and 81 so far. And that's been against Kreuz, Sauce, Big Boy and Stef so far.
Pretty much Goldy's situation. Hasn't been Grundy/Gawn level superiority, but just bubbling at a decent level.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on April 15, 2018, 11:14:35 AM
Nank had his worst game so far yesterday and was probably lucky to get 81 in the end. I'm pretty happy with 95, 108, 101 and 81 so far. And that's been against Kreuz, Sauce, Big Boy and Stef so far.
Pretty much Goldy's situation. Hasn't been Grundy/Gawn level superiority, but just bubbling at a decent level.
57 and 72 is not a decent level.
Sorry but Goldy isn't going to cut it as R2 this year.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on April 15, 2018, 11:21:34 AM
Started Lycett, jury's still out on if it was a good move

Really wished I'd gone Gawn/NN/English
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: _wato on April 15, 2018, 11:45:51 AM
The big SANDIMAN made up for that putrid 43 with his 139 yesterday.

Back up to a respectable 95 average hahaha
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on April 15, 2018, 11:50:00 AM
Atm I see the breakdown of the rucks like this:

Need at least one of:
Gawn
Grundy

Good R2s:
Martin
Nankervis
Naitanui
Witts

Solid R2s:
Sinclair
McEvoy
Jacobs
Goldstein
Sandilands
Kreuzer

English a great R3 for those that have him.

Jury still out on Lycett.

Need a couple of weeks from Ryder when he's back to know where he sits.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on April 15, 2018, 11:55:18 AM
Nank had his worst game so far yesterday and was probably lucky to get 81 in the end. I'm pretty happy with 95, 108, 101 and 81 so far. And that's been against Kreuz, Sauce, Big Boy and Stef so far.
Pretty much Goldy's situation. Hasn't been Grundy/Gawn level superiority, but just bubbling at a decent level.
57 and 72 is not a decent level.
Sorry but Goldy isn't going to cut it as R2 this year.
Have to agree with that.
Neither is 82 and 67 (Jacobs)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on April 15, 2018, 12:01:09 PM
Atm I see the breakdown of the rucks like this:

Need at least one of:
Gawn
Grundy

Good R2s:
Martin
Nankervis
Naitanui
Witts

Solid R2s:
Sinclair
McEvoy
Jacobs
Goldstein
Sandilands
Kreuzer

English a great R3 for those that have him.

Jury still out on Lycett.

Need a couple of weeks from Ryder when he's back to know where he sits.
Atm that's probably about right SL but Grundy may well be a must have soon.
Those in the second tier might look second rate in about 3-5 weeks at Grundy's present form.
NN could be the exception as he builds fitness and if he plays more game time.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Torpedo10 on April 15, 2018, 12:11:38 PM
Are we seriously looking at a bad match or two and making judgments off that?

The only reason I'd trade a proven premium is if there was an even priced player scoring significantly better, so unless you can afford the 100k, you're probably better waiting for the inevitable bad Grundy game, or the good run Goldy will have next month.  :P
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: tkringle on April 15, 2018, 12:12:27 PM
Goldy will dropp to ~$495K and falling given he will have a 57 and 76 in his rolling BE.

Will be $100K and change to swap to Grundy, so its now or might struggle to bring Grundy in later..

Tempted by the potential of Nic Nat as well, given how he is scoring with limited game time. Almost a straight swap for Goldy..



Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on April 15, 2018, 12:32:01 PM
Goldy will dropp to ~$495K and falling given he will have a 57 and 76 in his rolling BE.

Will be $100K and change to swap to Grundy, so its now or might struggle to bring Grundy in later..

Tempted by the potential of Nic Nat as well, given how he is scoring with limited game time. Almost a straight swap for Goldy..

Goldy goneski, will get Grundy
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: AaronKirk on April 15, 2018, 12:37:37 PM
Are we seriously looking at a bad match or two and making judgments off that?

The only reason I'd trade a proven premium is if there was an even priced player scoring significantly better, so unless you can afford the 100k, you're probably better waiting for the inevitable bad Grundy game, or the good run Goldy will have next month.  :P

Goldy looks cooked. Kreuz still massively struggling with his groins and Goldy only broke even in ruck contests in a game which North dominated.

He needs to improve dramatically or I'll be moving him on within in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: HoleMeal on April 15, 2018, 12:46:08 PM
Are we seriously looking at a bad match or two and making judgments off that?

The only reason I'd trade a proven premium is if there was an even priced player scoring significantly better, so unless you can afford the 100k, you're probably better waiting for the inevitable bad Grundy game, or the good run Goldy will have next month.  :P

Goldy looks cooked. Kreuz still massively struggling with his groins and Goldy only broke even in ruck contests in a game which North dominated.

He needs to improve dramatically or I'll be moving him on within in the next few weeks.
Agree 110% I watched him closely as I have him at R2. Rucked most of the game and JUST broke even. Daw didn't even take any points from him.
Add to that Scott's negative comments and unfortunately it's a sideways to Grundy for me.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on April 15, 2018, 01:46:21 PM
But I thought Goldy was over his off-field struggles and would be back to his best this year?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on April 15, 2018, 02:18:55 PM
But I thought Goldy was over his off-field struggles and would be back to his best this year?

Clearly not, on the bright side it provides an opportunity to get Grundy.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Torpedo10 on April 15, 2018, 03:09:27 PM
But I thought Goldy was over his off-field struggles and would be back to his best this year?
I did too. :(
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on April 15, 2018, 07:15:02 PM
Just some advice.

I have dangerfield and goldy.

Goldy is averaging 5 points under his price and dangerfield is averaging 25+ points under his price.

The correct move is to drop danger right?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on April 15, 2018, 07:22:17 PM
Just some advice.

I have dangerfield and goldy.

Goldy is averaging 5 points under his price and dangerfield is averaging 25+ points under his price.

The correct move is to drop danger right?
That's certainly one way to look at it.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on April 15, 2018, 07:26:41 PM
Just some advice.

I have dangerfield and goldy.

Goldy is averaging 5 points under his price and dangerfield is averaging 25+ points under his price.

The correct move is to drop danger right?

Danger is averaging 111, price irrelevant as he will be a top 10 mid. Goldy no chance to be a top 2 ruck, looks a shadow of his former self.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gavdroid on April 15, 2018, 07:28:15 PM
Just some advice.

I have dangerfield and goldy.

Goldy is averaging 5 points under his price and dangerfield is averaging 25+ points under his price.

The correct move is to drop danger right?

That's just silly. Danger doesn't have two scores under 80 and a sub 100 average. Price makes no difference.

Goldy also has a clearly better option to replace him with, Dangerfield doesn't
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Southstorm on April 15, 2018, 07:28:51 PM
Just some advice.

I have dangerfield and goldy.

Goldy is averaging 5 points under his price and dangerfield is averaging 25+ points under his price.

The correct move is to drop danger right?

Danger is averaging 111, price irrelevant as he will be a top 10 mid. Goldy no chance to be a top 2 ruck, looks a shadow of his former self.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on April 15, 2018, 07:32:14 PM
All I can say is Goldy owners are just lucky that Preuss hasn't been setting the world on fire in the 2s, otherwise his ass would be getting dropped.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: PowerBug on April 15, 2018, 07:38:35 PM
All I can say is Goldy owners are just lucky that Preuss hasn't been setting the world on fire in the 2s, otherwise his ass would be getting dropped.
At this point I'm tempted to say that's unlucky, because if he was dropped at least that makes the option to trade easy! Whilst he's still in the side we can all go "Well I should probably deal with this non-playing $200k problem first instead of this playing $500k problem"

He gets dropped and everyone jumps off, makes it easy
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on April 15, 2018, 07:48:35 PM
Just some advice.

I have dangerfield and goldy.

Goldy is averaging 5 points under his price and dangerfield is averaging 25+ points under his price.

The correct move is to drop danger right?
That's certainly one way to look at it.
That's it Danger is gone... 8)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Torpedo10 on April 15, 2018, 08:22:01 PM
Danger 250 next week to beat his BE for sure, so I suggest you all keep him.  ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: sammy123 on April 15, 2018, 09:59:14 PM
Trade sauce jacobs anyone?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ricochet on April 16, 2018, 10:42:34 AM
Have Goldy, but he's going to have to stay for a bit. I need to get Dusty in first.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on April 16, 2018, 11:11:08 AM
All I can say is Goldy owners are just lucky that Preuss hasn't been setting the world on fire in the 2s, otherwise his ass would be getting dropped.

Thats actually not true, he has been very good the last 2 weeks.

"Braydon Preuss
The pre-season form of Braydon Preuss has carried over into the season proper, with the towering colossus asserting his dominance on the ruck exchanges for the second consecutive week.

Preuss compiled a number of key hit-outs, offering a link between North’s roving midfielders and attacking options.

Despite alternating with Tristan Xerri, the 22-year-old provided polish and some much-needed aggression at every stoppage, winning a host of hit-outs against an in-form Andrew Phillips."
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on April 16, 2018, 11:19:04 AM
All I can say is Goldy owners are just lucky that Preuss hasn't been setting the world on fire in the 2s, otherwise his ass would be getting dropped.

Thats actually not true, he has been very good the last 2 weeks.

"Braydon Preuss
The pre-season form of Braydon Preuss has carried over into the season proper, with the towering colossus asserting his dominance on the ruck exchanges for the second consecutive week.

Preuss compiled a number of key hit-outs, offering a link between North’s roving midfielders and attacking options.

Despite alternating with Tristan Xerri, the 22-year-old provided polish and some much-needed aggression at every stoppage, winning a host of hit-outs against an in-form Andrew Phillips."

Then Goldy would want to pull his finger out that was a pretty poor performance in a huge win against a clearly not right Kreuzer , the coach talked him up for it after giving him a rev up in the week and he has the Hawks this week a much better team than the Blues , another poor performance could see Preuss get a go
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on April 16, 2018, 12:17:58 PM
Have Goldy, but he's going to have to stay for a bit. I need to get Dusty in first.

Got it the wrong way around in my opinion. Grundy still only 7% ownership, this is definitely an area where one can exploit, Dusty at 55% and fully valued. Dusty also played as a full time forward, I'd expect a few sub 100 scores if Dimma persists with this set-up.

As for Grundy, he's basically a mid with the numbers he's producing, hard to see him slowing down, it's now or never IMO. From next week onwards it's all about upgrades & not correctional trades.

All I can say is Goldy owners are just lucky that Preuss hasn't been setting the world on fire in the 2s, otherwise his ass would be getting dropped.

Thats actually not true, he has been very good the last 2 weeks.

"Braydon Preuss
The pre-season form of Braydon Preuss has carried over into the season proper, with the towering colossus asserting his dominance on the ruck exchanges for the second consecutive week.

Preuss compiled a number of key hit-outs, offering a link between North’s roving midfielders and attacking options.

Despite alternating with Tristan Xerri, the 22-year-old provided polish and some much-needed aggression at every stoppage, winning a host of hit-outs against an in-form Andrew Phillips."


Surely that must be reason to be concerned, there's something not quite right with Goldy, I get the fact he's averaging 90 but I can see him being a liability from this point on.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ricochet on April 16, 2018, 12:35:43 PM
Have Goldy, but he's going to have to stay for a bit. I need to get Dusty in first.

Got it the wrong way around in my opinion. Grundy still only 7% ownership, this is definitely an area where one can exploit, Dusty at 55% and fully valued. Dusty also played as a full time forward, I'd expect a few sub 100 scores if Dimma persists with this set-up.

As for Grundy, he's basically a mid with the numbers he's producing, hard to see him slowing down, it's now or never IMO. From next week onwards it's all about upgrades & not correctional trades.
Nah I'm not sideways trading, I've got the cash so I'm upgrading. So Goldy stays for now
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on April 16, 2018, 02:02:57 PM
Have Goldy, but he's going to have to stay for a bit. I need to get Dusty in first.

Got it the wrong way around in my opinion. Grundy still only 7% ownership, this is definitely an area where one can exploit, Dusty at 55% and fully valued. Dusty also played as a full time forward, I'd expect a few sub 100 scores if Dimma persists with this set-up.

As for Grundy, he's basically a mid with the numbers he's producing, hard to see him slowing down, it's now or never IMO. From next week onwards it's all about upgrades & not correctional trades.
Nah I'm not sideways trading, I've got the cash so I'm upgrading. So Goldy stays for now

Goldy scored 32 last time he met the Hawks, that is a huge concern. If someone can convince me otherwise I may just hold but everything is pointing to trouble.

Holz, you're the man in the know with Goldy, what's up with his form? Started well but has looked like a C grader the past fortnight.  Give me reason to believe.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on April 16, 2018, 02:24:47 PM
All I can say is Goldy owners are just lucky that Preuss hasn't been setting the world on fire in the 2s, otherwise his ass would be getting dropped.

Thats actually not true, he has been very good the last 2 weeks.

"Braydon Preuss
The pre-season form of Braydon Preuss has carried over into the season proper, with the towering colossus asserting his dominance on the ruck exchanges for the second consecutive week.

Preuss compiled a number of key hit-outs, offering a link between North’s roving midfielders and attacking options.

Despite alternating with Tristan Xerri, the 22-year-old provided polish and some much-needed aggression at every stoppage, winning a host of hit-outs against an in-form Andrew Phillips."

That was the match report from yesterday's game, where no stats had been released until after my comment. I was obviously referring to the week before when North's VFL team got pumped by the AFL Academy boys. Got a mate who was working at the game and he reckons that Preuss was bog average around the ground and wasn't taking any marks. He won the hitouts as he should have but didn't really dominate the ruck battle despite having the clear physical advantage.

Also match reports released by clubs tend to exaggerate the performance of players. In the above for example there was no mention about his work around the ground (he had 8 disposals) and his opponent Phillips was named in the best for the Northern Blues.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Hazza09 on April 16, 2018, 02:26:47 PM
This week its either Goldy or Billings!

One has to go!

So far I'm not sure who it is, but i watched Goldy on Saturday night and he was in all sorts for most of the game.
Hes lacking aggression, no care factor and just doesn't seem involved in the game besides ruck contests.

Next 4 games he comes up against McEvoy, Sinclair, Westhoff and Nank. Not sure if he stays but if Pruess gets named this week then its a 100% trade.

Grundy for me is a must! He's playing like a midfielder slash ruckman, not sure what his B/E is but if its not done this week i think he will be out of range for at least a few weeks until he puts in a sub score.

Those who have Billings is another issue all together, but this week is the week to do it.

Big decisions!!
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on April 16, 2018, 02:36:32 PM
This week its either Goldy or Billings!

One has to go!

So far I'm not sure who it is, but i watched Goldy on Saturday night and he was in all sorts for most of the game.
Hes lacking aggression, no care factor and just doesn't seem involved in the game besides ruck contests.

Next 4 games he comes up against McEvoy, Sinclair, Westhoff and Nank. Not sure if he stays but if Pruess gets named this week then its a 100% trade.

Grundy for me is a must! He's playing like a midfielder slash ruckman, not sure what his B/E is but if its not done this week i think he will be out of range for at least a few weeks until he puts in a sub score.

Those who have Billings is another issue all together, but this week is the week to do it.

Big decisions!!

Grundy BE = 64 (projected to rise 19k)
Goldy BE = 155 (projected to lose 32k)

Billings BE = 146 (projected to lose 31k)
Gray BE = 65 (projected to rise 9k)

Really tough choice, the way things are going this year whatever I choose will be the wrong decision.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on April 16, 2018, 02:45:45 PM
If you started with Grundy then well done, but I wouldn't be rushing to get him in for those that don't have him

In the past 3 weeks he has had career high clearances, and the last two weeks disposals

3 monster scores in a row, but you can't chase past points and you don't buy at all time highs too

Surely most people still have guys like Fritsch, Holman etc on field, or other prems doing worse than Goldy? I'd be improving all of those before doing Goldy to Grundy
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: _wato on April 16, 2018, 02:49:19 PM
Yeah wouldn't be chasing after Grundy this week, has a career average of 69 v the Dons, highest score of 91 against them.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Hazza09 on April 16, 2018, 03:07:06 PM
If you started with Grundy then well done, but I wouldn't be rushing to get him in for those that don't have him

In the past 3 weeks he has had career high clearances, and the last two weeks disposals

3 monster scores in a row, but you can't chase past points and you don't buy at all time highs too

Surely most people still have guys like Fritsch, Holman etc on field, or other prems doing worse than Goldy? I'd be improving all of those before doing Goldy to Grundy

What about if you have Billings  >:(
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on April 16, 2018, 03:09:14 PM
If you started with Grundy then well done, but I wouldn't be rushing to get him in for those that don't have him

In the past 3 weeks he has had career high clearances, and the last two weeks disposals

3 monster scores in a row, but you can't chase past points and you don't buy at all time highs too

Surely most people still have guys like Fritsch, Holman etc on field, or other prems doing worse than Goldy? I'd be improving all of those before doing Goldy to Grundy

Too much logic RD,

its obviously Goldy will never be able to put up good numbers, he hasn't done that since round 2 of this year.

Grundy has gone 148 the last 2 weeks, he will average 145+ for the year got to trade him in, will rack up 30+ touches every week.








Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on April 16, 2018, 03:11:38 PM
Holz, you're the man in the know with Goldy, what's up with his form? Started well but has looked like a C grader the past fortnight.  Give me reason to believe.

I'm not Holz but I've watched Todd pretty closely over the years having had him in my side at some point basically every season up until now. The guy is just physically spent. He has the tools to play like Grundy or Stef Martin but he simply isn't working hard enough at stoppages and off the ball. He is an aerobic beast so fitness isn't an issue - he just can't be stuffed anymore.

The knock on Goldy has always been that he doesn't throw his weight around nearly enough, and now that he's lost his ability to run hard and link up for his 20-odd touches he is being exposed. I knew he was cooked last year and I'm honestly surprised the sob story about his off-field dramas sucked so many people in this year. The guy has shouldered the ruck load for the majority of his peak years, but he is no longer physically capable to the levels he once was. He's never getting back to his best.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on April 16, 2018, 03:24:24 PM
Holz, you're the man in the know with Goldy, what's up with his form? Started well but has looked like a C grader the past fortnight.  Give me reason to believe.

I'm not Holz but I've watched Todd pretty closely over the years having had him in my side at some point basically every season up until now. The guy is just physically spent. He has the tools to play like Grundy or Stef Martin but he simply isn't working hard enough at stoppages and off the ball. He is an aerobic beast so fitness isn't an issue - he just can't be stuffed anymore.

The knock on Goldy has always been that he doesn't throw his weight around nearly enough, and now that he's lost his ability to run hard and link up for his 20-odd touches he is being exposed. I knew he was cooked last year and I'm honestly surprised the sob story about his off-field dramas sucked so many people in this year. The guy has shouldered the ruck load for the majority of his peak years, but he is no longer physically capable to the levels he once was. He's never getting back to his best.

I watched the first quarter on Sat night while I was waiting for WCE to get under way, and I couldn't agree more with you

He looked slow, stagnant and had no hunger. He was moving around lethargically and didn't have any impact. I was quite surprised, and your comments above are a good reflection of what I saw, albeit just 30 mins of footy

I've got Goldy, but I also have 10 other players who are worse than him so I am not even thinking about what I can do with him for now as it's simply just a matter of holding him, unless he gets dropped
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on April 16, 2018, 03:51:31 PM
Yeah wouldn't be chasing after Grundy this week, has a career average of 69 v the Dons, highest score of 91 against them.
Past scores don't mean as much when a player is in breakout mode.
Every chance he smashes that 69 avg and 91 hs, especially if the Pies take their form vs Crows into this game.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on April 16, 2018, 04:04:22 PM
Holz, you're the man in the know with Goldy, what's up with his form? Started well but has looked like a C grader the past fortnight.  Give me reason to believe.

I'm not Holz but I've watched Todd pretty closely over the years having had him in my side at some point basically every season up until now. The guy is just physically spent. He has the tools to play like Grundy or Stef Martin but he simply isn't working hard enough at stoppages and off the ball. He is an aerobic beast so fitness isn't an issue - he just can't be stuffed anymore.

The knock on Goldy has always been that he doesn't throw his weight around nearly enough, and now that he's lost his ability to run hard and link up for his 20-odd touches he is being exposed. I knew he was cooked last year and I'm honestly surprised the sob story about his off-field dramas sucked so many people in this year. The guy has shouldered the ruck load for the majority of his peak years, but he is no longer physically capable to the levels he once was. He's never getting back to his best.

Alot of this I agree with, but to a lesser extent. Personally Goldy has always looked (except 2015) to me that he just wanders around the ground, certainly wouldn't call him an electric ruck like Nic Nat. He never was a guy who racked up 20 touches consistently.

he is no chance of getting back to his absolute best which is 2015.  At the same time unless preuss comes in he is better then the last 2 weeks suggest, 114 in the first 2 and 66 in the last 2

Round Hitouts Goldy, Other North Players, Goldy % of Total HOs

1: 35 - 11 - 40%
2  38 - 13 - 54%
3  15 - 9 -  20%
4  31 -10 - 42%

I  ran the numbers for the other north players just to see if it was Daw affecting him and its not. Then i looked at the percentage of HO that goldy won and its been reasonable, last week his number was a little low as their was less HO available compared to say Grundy who got 40/87 at 46% so only marginally better but alot more Hit outs.

Week 3 was the really poor game where he got smashed but besides that picking up 40% of total hit outs isn't too bad, its not dominant but its not bad.

The issue this week was the touches

1: 14 with 8 contested
2 16 with 7 contested
3: 13 with 8 contested
4: 10 with 5 contested

Its alot of numbers but to me he had 1 terrible game in week 3 where he got killed in the Hit outs then a poor game this week where the total hitouts where a little low but he was his usual average at winning them but he didnt get enough of the ball.

There is enough evidence to show that he should be able to get 30+ hit outs and 14 or so touches most weeks. which make him a decent enough premo, unlikely to be top 2 but no major liability.

You just have to look at his 3 best seasons

2011 35 HO with 14 touches 113 average
2013 37 HO with 12 touches 113 average
2015 45 HO with 15 touches 128 average

2015 was an anomaly, statically he isn't much different to this 2011 and 2013 numbers.

so in 3 out of the 4 games he has got his usual amount of Hit outs and in 3 out of the 4 games he has got his usual amount of touches. its why he is running at 30 HO 13 touches and a average of 90.

30-35 HO and 14 touches for an average of 95-105 isnt too hard to imagine from here on out.

He has Mcevoy and Houston/Westhoff coming up, see how he goes against those two, if he keep up these numbers then i will drop him. If i was to guess id say he will put up about 35 HO then next 2 weeks and then get 13-15 touches and put up 95.

Just a reminder Goldy put up 83 in the first 5 rounds last year, then 99 from there on out.

Esentially, monitor with concern but no panic stations yet. If he goes sub 90 the next 2 weeks panic stations.














Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: _wato on April 16, 2018, 04:06:32 PM
Yeah wouldn't be chasing after Grundy this week, has a career average of 69 v the Dons, highest score of 91 against them.
Past scores don't mean as much when a player is in breakout mode.
Every chance he smashes that 69 avg and 91 hs, especially if the Pies take their form vs Crows into this game.

Could be true but last year he brought in good form with a 135, 105, 113 heading into the Anzac Day game and scored 71.
I'd be slightly wary, but am expecting him to ton up. Just don't be expecting another 140+
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on April 16, 2018, 04:25:01 PM
here is the thing with Grundy, ok so we all know he is good but is he worth 611k.


For 10k less you can work on getting in Clayton Oliver.

For about 50k more in a week or 2 you can bring in Dangerfield.

For about 120k less you can bring in Zerett now

For about 100k less you can bring in Sloane in 2 weeks (when he is over his ankle injury)

For 70k less you can get Heeney or Buddy up front

For 80k less you can bring in Hurley down back

you can even pick up Sinclair for 110k less who is going 131 in the last 2 rounds.




Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: MontyJnr on April 16, 2018, 05:24:54 PM
I've seen enough to believe Grundy will be a Top 2 ruck this year, especially now that Cox is playing predominately forward.

How do people think Collingwood will approach the next 2 games though?

With an incredibly short four-day break between games, will Grundy's ruck load be managed over the next 2 rounds at least?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Samm79 on April 16, 2018, 05:31:02 PM
At least Goldy has put up ok numbers and played every game, imagine having Kreuzer!!

Back on Grundy from the minutes I’ve watched him play he looks physically dominant. He threw Sauce around like a rag doll in some contests, grabbed the pill and just launched it forward. He’s coming into his prime, wouldn’t be surprised if he averaged 120 from here on in. I’m jumping on, or potentially Sinclair who is fully fit for the first time in years and will continue to be the unopposed number 1 ruck all year. The $115k saving is appealing too
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: frenzy on April 16, 2018, 05:43:17 PM
A wonderful read people, thank you
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: HoleMeal on April 16, 2018, 06:20:22 PM
A wonderful read people, thank you
^THIS

Cheers
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on April 16, 2018, 06:21:00 PM
here is the thing with Grundy, ok so we all know he is good but is he worth 611k.


For 10k less you can work on getting in Clayton Oliver.

For about 50k more in a week or 2 you can bring in Dangerfield.

For about 120k less you can bring in Zerett now

For about 100k less you can bring in Sloane in 2 weeks (when he is over his ankle injury)

For 70k less you can get Heeney or Buddy up front

For 80k less you can bring in Hurley down back

you can even pick up Sinclair for 110k less who is going 131 in the last 2 rounds.
All good points Holz. I guess it depends on each teams balance/priorities/weaknesses, who they have at R2 now and if the money can be better spent elsewhere or not.

I have Goldy and if he keeps throwing up 70s 80s even 90 then 100k would be well spent, as I think Grundy will avg 115 - 120.
But I also have Hibberd and Billings, so maybe there's more important moves to be made.

As for.610 k being worth it, I think he will outscore Heeney,Buddy,Merrett,Hurley,Sinclair and Sloane.
From the players u mentioned only Danger and Oliver will outscore him.
A breakout ruck entering his prime, playing as an extra midfielder with a decent mid group around him is SC Gold.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on April 16, 2018, 06:30:11 PM
here is the thing with Grundy, ok so we all know he is good but is he worth 611k.


For 10k less you can work on getting in Clayton Oliver.

For about 50k more in a week or 2 you can bring in Dangerfield.

For about 120k less you can bring in Zerett now

For about 100k less you can bring in Sloane in 2 weeks (when he is over his ankle injury)

For 70k less you can get Heeney or Buddy up front

For 80k less you can bring in Hurley down back

you can even pick up Sinclair for 110k less who is going 131 in the last 2 rounds.
All good points Holz. I guess it depends on each teams balance/priorities/weaknesses, who they have at R2 now and if the money can be better spent elsewhere or not.

I have Goldy and if he keeps throwing up 70s 80s even 90 then 100k would be well spent, as I think Grundy will avg 115 - 120.
But I also have Hibberd and Billings, so maybe there's more important moves to be made.

As for.610 k being worth it, I think he will outscore Heeney,Buddy,Merrett,Hurley,Sinclair and Sloane.
From the players u mentioned only Danger and Oliver will outscore him.
A breakout ruck entering his prime, playing as an extra midfielder with a decent mid group around him is SC Gold.

Yep, every year there's a standout & after 4 games the choice appears to be clear. One can say you should never pay top dollar but we went through this scenario with Docherty last year & many people struggled to get him in. Both Grundy & Dusty are averaging about the same yet Grundy is 50k cheaper & is 30 points clear of his nearest rival. With Yeo & Merrett looking like decent pick-ups next week there will need to be some hard choices made.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: tkringle on April 16, 2018, 08:10:32 PM
To throw another name in, what about Nic Nat?

Tracking exceptionally well given his time on ground, which will increase over the next few rounds.. Straight swap for Goldy at the moment
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: AN1611 on April 16, 2018, 09:45:43 PM
What do you guys think of kruezer to nicnat?
Statistically had a good game against grundy and had a poor one last week. Just frustrating to watch him get a hitout and it go to no one
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Goosey on April 17, 2018, 05:48:34 AM
I really want to trade Goldy to Grundy, but I just know I shouldn't, I should focus elsewhere in the team and not go for this luxury trade! Got to think longer term and decide whether this is the right move.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: barlowlove on April 17, 2018, 10:11:58 AM
Had Grundy in all preseason but got scared off by Mason Cox, preferring a solo rucking Goldy.... Still got faith in Goldy but it will be a trigger I am not afraid to pull once Grundy comes back down a bit in price.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on April 17, 2018, 01:57:47 PM
Holding Goldy for now, just hope he works into some decent form. Yeo the top priority next week.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: no eye deer on April 18, 2018, 09:03:17 AM
I’m thinking about holding Goldy for now, and if he doesn’t come good, then maybe trading him to NicNat when he starts getting decent game time. He should start pumping out 120+ and will still be cheap. Looks really fit.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on April 18, 2018, 07:23:11 PM
I’m thinking about holding Goldy for now, and if he doesn’t come good, then maybe trading him to NicNat when he starts getting decent game time. He should start pumping out 120+ and will still be cheap. Looks really fit.


Had Grundy in all preseason but got scared off by Mason Cox, preferring a solo rucking Goldy.... Still got faith in Goldy but it will be a trigger I am not afraid to pull once Grundy comes back down a bit in price.


I really want to trade Goldy to Grundy, but I just know I shouldn't, I should focus elsewhere in the team and not go for this luxury trade! Got to think longer term and decide whether this is the right move.
above quotes sum up my view of rucks from here.  miss the R/F options of 2017.    still keen to hold Lobb especially if he plays this week.   Nothing really changed in why I picked him.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Torpedo10 on April 22, 2018, 04:22:14 PM
Goldy has 8 HOTAs in the first half and is stuck on 43 at HT...

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Nige on April 22, 2018, 04:28:35 PM
Goldy has 8 HOTAs in the first half and is stuck on 43 at HT...
Hasn't done much else to score fantasy points.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on April 22, 2018, 05:08:00 PM
Goldstein is a SPUD. Tackle, get the ball, spread and create a target man. Does he even know what a tackle or mark is?
DO SOMETHING apart from tap tap tap.
How can u be doing so little when your team is giving the other team a flogging?
I couldn't justify spending my Danger money on getting Grundy but I have to do something.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on April 22, 2018, 06:09:30 PM
Yeah Goldy is hurting

I swear I must have selected every flowered prem this year.

I don't have a choice, need to hold him because I've got other areas that need attention
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on April 22, 2018, 06:17:43 PM
Goldy did ok today but his work around the ground needs to lift pronto. Forced to hold now but will give him 3 more games to prove himself.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Torpedo10 on April 22, 2018, 06:20:47 PM
He actually played a superb tap ruckman game, and a phenomenal last 5 minutes where he went from 55->77.

Hopefully North's success brings him some points again.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on April 22, 2018, 06:58:54 PM
He actually played a superb tap ruckman game, and a phenomenal last 5 minutes where he went from 55->77.

Hopefully North's success brings him some points again.
So basically without that last 5 mins he scores a 60???
Need more from a ruckman these days. Can't have been that good of a tap ruck game as HOTAs score big points. He won't improve while he's allergic to marking, tackling and touching the ball other than a tap.
Up in QLD Witts is on 98 from 10 disposals 7 tackles 5 clearances. Start of last quarter.
Martin on 80 from 18 disposals.
Nic Nat averaging 100 from bugger all time on ground.
Sinclair averaging 110 hardly ever been no.1 ruck before.
Gawn and Grundy need no introduction.
Ryder and Kreuz only hampered by injuries.
Only rucks he's beating after this 3rd crap score is Bellchambers and Jacobs, the other overrated spud.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on April 22, 2018, 07:14:59 PM
He actually played a superb tap ruckman game, and a phenomenal last 5 minutes where he went from 55->77.

Hopefully North's success brings him some points again.
So basically without that last 5 mins he scores a 60???
Need more from a ruckman these days. Can't have been that good of a tap ruck game as HOTAs score big points. He won't improve while he's allergic to marking, tackling and touching the ball other than a tap.
Up in QLD Witts is on 98 from 10 disposals 7 tackles 5 clearances. Start of last quarter.
Martin on 80 from 18 disposals.
Nic Nat averaging 100 from bugger all time on ground.
Sinclair averaging 110 hardly ever been no.1 ruck before.
Gawn and Grundy need no introduction.
Ryder and Kreuz only hampered by injuries.
Only rucks he's beating after this 3rd crap score is Bellchambers and Jacobs, the other overrated spud.

Definitely been disappointing but he's got some weak opponents coming up. Will trade if he struggles against a ruckless Port, Sinclair, Nank & Simpson/Lobb/Patton.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on April 22, 2018, 07:25:38 PM
Problem is if he struggles, he'll lose too much cash.
So instead of using 200k for a Banfield > fallen gun for e.g. you're forced to use it on upgrading Goldspud
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on April 22, 2018, 07:28:40 PM
Problem is if he struggles, he'll lose too much cash.
So instead of using 200k for a Banfield > fallen gun for e.g. you're forced to use it on upgrading Goldspud

Think that's already happened unless you want to roll the dice on Nic Nat (someone who I believe will be rested).

Don't think Goldy will shed much more, he's 450k now.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: no eye deer on April 22, 2018, 08:27:04 PM
Problem is if he struggles, he'll lose too much cash.
So instead of using 200k for a Banfield > fallen gun for e.g. you're forced to use it on upgrading Goldspud

Think that's already happened unless you want to roll the dice on Nic Nat (someone who I believe will be rested).

Don't think Goldy will shed much more, he's 450k now.

NicNat is so tempting. Looks fit as. Killing it when he’s on the park. Chance of getting rested, but if he stays fit and uninjured, the Eagles should start giving him more TOG as the season gets serious. He’s pumping out tons with 60% game time.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: dmac07 on April 22, 2018, 08:36:52 PM
Happy enough I started Lycett now. Hopefully get a few more good weeks of cash gen and scoring. Thinking Grundy is the must have upgrade if i can afford him though.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on April 22, 2018, 08:56:00 PM
Happy enough I started Lycett now. Hopefully get a few more good weeks of cash gen and scoring. Thinking Grundy is the must have upgrade if i can afford him though.
Well done starting Lycett. I was talking him up all PS and chickened out.
Would have been better off if I stuck with him given Goldspuds efforts(or lack thereof)
250 k extra could have got me Coniglio instead of Brayshaw too.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Hazza09 on April 23, 2018, 11:08:57 AM
Im facing a few problems keeping Goldstein at the moment.

I watched the game closely yesterday and yes he did play very well, he won plenty of Hit Outs to advantage and was the better ruckman. But thats were it stops unfortunately.

His ability to get possessions has me worried. Doesn't seem to get involved in the game other than Ruck Contests.

He is hurting me big time, the problem is he is a pure unique in my cash league as nobody but myself has the spud and every week so far he is costing me 30-50 points a week. Ive lost all my games so far thanks to him and Billings and its really pissing me off when i see Stefan and Nic Nat tonning up every week and I'm there hoping Goldstein can get a 80!

Not sure what to do now, i have so many other areas in my team that need work.... M8, F6 and i have Billings too.

Im going to hold Goldy for the next week or 2, don't have a choice but if by Rd 6-7 he hasn't improved ill have to bite the bullet and trade him!

Enough is Enough!
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: shaker on April 23, 2018, 11:11:56 AM
He actually played a superb tap ruckman game, and a phenomenal last 5 minutes where he went from 55->77.

Hopefully North's success brings him some points again.
So basically without that last 5 mins he scores a 60???
Need more from a ruckman these days. Can't have been that good of a tap ruck game as HOTAs score big points. He won't improve while he's allergic to marking, tackling and touching the ball other than a tap.
Up in QLD Witts is on 98 from 10 disposals 7 tackles 5 clearances. Start of last quarter.
Martin on 80 from 18 disposals.
Nic Nat averaging 100 from bugger all time on ground.
Sinclair averaging 110 hardly ever been no.1 ruck before.
Gawn and Grundy need no introduction.
Ryder and Kreuz only hampered by injuries.
Only rucks he's beating after this 3rd crap score is Bellchambers and Jacobs, the other overrated spud.

Definitely been disappointing but he's got some weak opponents coming up. Will trade if he struggles against a ruckless Port, Sinclair, Nank & Simpson/Lobb/Patton.
The problem is Bully is Norf are playing good footy they are winning the coach is happy with him and could not care less about SC scores and the weaker opposition in coming games is true but they have very good midfields that could hurt his HOTA , he really needs to make the extra points around the ground and ATM he looks like an old plodder compared to other rucks.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on April 23, 2018, 11:25:21 AM
Im facing a few problems keeping Goldstein at the moment.

I watched the game closely yesterday and yes he did play very well, he won plenty of Hit Outs to advantage and was the better ruckman. But thats were it stops unfortunately.

His ability to get possessions has me worried. Doesn't seem to get involved in the game other than Ruck Contests.

He is hurting me big time, the problem is he is a pure unique in my cash league as nobody but myself has the spud and every week so far he is costing me 30-50 points a week. Ive lost all my games so far thanks to him and Billings and its really pissing me off when i see Stefan and Nic Nat tonning up every week and I'm there hoping Goldstein can get a 80!

Not sure what to do now, i have so many other areas in my team that need work.... M8, F6 and i have Billings too.

Im going to hold Goldy for the next week or 2, don't have a choice but if by Rd 6-7 he hasn't improved ill have to bite the bullet and trade him!

Enough is Enough!

Hold, think it's too late to trade as you are selling at rock bottom. Have mentioned before that Goldy has a dream run coming up - Port with no ruck to speak of, Sinclair who will get smashed in the centre square & GWS who have been playing Simpson. If he bombs in these matches then offload, if fact if he fails to ton up then offload, I personally won't be happy with 90s in these matches.

He actually played a superb tap ruckman game, and a phenomenal last 5 minutes where he went from 55->77.

Hopefully North's success brings him some points again.
So basically without that last 5 mins he scores a 60???
Need more from a ruckman these days. Can't have been that good of a tap ruck game as HOTAs score big points. He won't improve while he's allergic to marking, tackling and touching the ball other than a tap.
Up in QLD Witts is on 98 from 10 disposals 7 tackles 5 clearances. Start of last quarter.
Martin on 80 from 18 disposals.
Nic Nat averaging 100 from bugger all time on ground.
Sinclair averaging 110 hardly ever been no.1 ruck before.
Gawn and Grundy need no introduction.
Ryder and Kreuz only hampered by injuries.
Only rucks he's beating after this 3rd crap score is Bellchambers and Jacobs, the other overrated spud.

Definitely been disappointing but he's got some weak opponents coming up. Will trade if he struggles against a ruckless Port, Sinclair, Nank & Simpson/Lobb/Patton.
The problem is Bully is Norf are playing good footy they are winning the coach is happy with him and could not care less about SC scores and the weaker opposition in coming games is true but they have very good midfields that could hurt his HOTA , he really needs to make the extra points around the ground and ATM he looks like an old plodder compared to other rucks.

I made the choice not to bring Grundy in last week due to Goldy's upcoming opponents, now that I've made that choice I have to stick to it. Hawthorn was a danger game & that's passed without a catastrophic score like last year. I want a 100 average over the next 3 weeks, if that fails to materialise then I will definitely trade. Can't forget that this is a long season & the fact that Goldy is the sole ruck in a rejuvenated North line-up can only be a good thing. His 2017 was the stuff of nightmares yet he still managed a 95 average.

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: smashbox on April 23, 2018, 11:40:19 AM
I'd give him atleast until his bye and trade him after that if need be
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jfitty on April 23, 2018, 11:54:04 AM
As painful as it is, I think I'll hold Goldstein a little while longer.

The possessions are a concern, but he doesn't need too many to score well. Even in 2015 when he averaged 128 (seems like so long ago), he only had 4 games above 20 possessions.

He has an easier run coming up in terms of rucks (Port, Sydney, Richmond, GWS) so think I'll hold just a few weeks longer.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jvalles69 on April 23, 2018, 12:24:05 PM
As painful as it is, I think I'll hold Goldstein a little while longer.

The possessions are a concern, but he doesn't need too many to score well. Even in 2015 when he averaged 128 (seems like so long ago), he only had 4 games above 20 possessions.

He has an easier run coming up in terms of rucks (Port, Sydney, Richmond, GWS) so think I'll hold just a few weeks longer.

I think I'll be doing the same, Nic Nat is tempting, but going to look at completing my other lines...
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on April 23, 2018, 03:02:01 PM
As painful as it is, I think I'll hold Goldstein a little while longer.

The possessions are a concern, but he doesn't need too many to score well. Even in 2015 when he averaged 128 (seems like so long ago), he only had 4 games above 20 possessions.

He has an easier run coming up in terms of rucks (Port, Sydney, Richmond, GWS) so think I'll hold just a few weeks longer.
"The possessions are a concern" huge understatement. He struggles to get 10 let alone 20.The lack of tackles also terrible.
I'll have to hold too, but I'm not happy about it. Another nail in the coffin of the never trade a premium myth.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on April 23, 2018, 04:04:47 PM
As painful as it is, I think I'll hold Goldstein a little while longer.

The possessions are a concern, but he doesn't need too many to score well. Even in 2015 when he averaged 128 (seems like so long ago), he only had 4 games above 20 possessions.

He has an easier run coming up in terms of rucks (Port, Sydney, Richmond, GWS) so think I'll hold just a few weeks longer.
"The possessions are a concern" huge understatement. He struggles to get 10 let alone 20.The lack of tackles also terrible.
I'll have to hold too, but I'm not happy about it. Another nail in the coffin of the never trade a premium myth.

he has never been a high possession guy.


Truth is he played a pretty good AFL game he got 45% of the hitouts to beat his opposition once again.

his tackle numbers is not shocking he is a ruck, Grundy Witts and NN are better but apart from those 3 he is bang on the normal amount for good rucks.

Grundy and Martin rack up touches, but again Goldy is doing pretty much bang on average for the good rucks.

Marks he is bang on average for all the good rucks, no major standouts.

realistically he is putting up good just not elite numbers.

Gawn and Sandi elite HOs
Grundy Witts NN elite tackles
Grundy Martin elite possesions

Goldy has been pretty much good at everything but elite at nothing, people are missing the real reason his scores are a little down, his disposals have been abit ineffective.

been running at 50% efficiency with a few clangers. If he can fix that up and turn a couple of clangers into effective kicks then his scores would be

92 + 93 which is good but not elite, which is a fair reflection of what he is really putting up.



So if you hoping he will increase his touches, tackling and marks it just wont happen, he hasnt been that bad. He just hasnt been great and has been a little ineffective.








Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Hazza09 on April 23, 2018, 05:18:10 PM
As painful as it is, I think I'll hold Goldstein a little while longer.

The possessions are a concern, but he doesn't need too many to score well. Even in 2015 when he averaged 128 (seems like so long ago), he only had 4 games above 20 possessions.

He has an easier run coming up in terms of rucks (Port, Sydney, Richmond, GWS) so think I'll hold just a few weeks longer.
"The possessions are a concern" huge understatement. He struggles to get 10 let alone 20.The lack of tackles also terrible.
I'll have to hold too, but I'm not happy about it. Another nail in the coffin of the never trade a premium myth.

he has never been a high possession guy.


Truth is he played a pretty good AFL game he got 45% of the hitouts to beat his opposition once again.

his tackle numbers is not shocking he is a ruck, Grundy Witts and NN are better but apart from those 3 he is bang on the normal amount for good rucks.

Grundy and Martin rack up touches, but again Goldy is doing pretty much bang on average for the good rucks.

Marks he is bang on average for all the good rucks, no major standouts.

realistically he is putting up good just not elite numbers.

Gawn and Sandi elite HOs
Grundy Witts NN elite tackles
Grundy Martin elite possesions

Goldy has been pretty much good at everything but elite at nothing, people are missing the real reason his scores are a little down, his disposals have been abit ineffective.

been running at 50% efficiency with a few clangers. If he can fix that up and turn a couple of clangers into effective kicks then his scores would be

92 + 93 which is good but not elite, which is a fair reflection of what he is really putting up.



So if you hoping he will increase his touches, tackling and marks it just wont happen, he hasnt been that bad. He just hasnt been great and has been a little ineffective.

So in your opinion does he go or does he stay for a little bit longer?

Cant keep losing 30-45 points a game in cash leagues any longer when up against Martin/Witts/Grundy/NN
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: MontyJnr on April 23, 2018, 05:35:11 PM
As painful as it is, I think I'll hold Goldstein a little while longer.

The possessions are a concern, but he doesn't need too many to score well. Even in 2015 when he averaged 128 (seems like so long ago), he only had 4 games above 20 possessions.

He has an easier run coming up in terms of rucks (Port, Sydney, Richmond, GWS) so think I'll hold just a few weeks longer.
"The possessions are a concern" huge understatement. He struggles to get 10 let alone 20.The lack of tackles also terrible.
I'll have to hold too, but I'm not happy about it. Another nail in the coffin of the never trade a premium myth.

he has never been a high possession guy.


Truth is he played a pretty good AFL game he got 45% of the hitouts to beat his opposition once again.

his tackle numbers is not shocking he is a ruck, Grundy Witts and NN are better but apart from those 3 he is bang on the normal amount for good rucks.

Grundy and Martin rack up touches, but again Goldy is doing pretty much bang on average for the good rucks.

Marks he is bang on average for all the good rucks, no major standouts.

realistically he is putting up good just not elite numbers.

Gawn and Sandi elite HOs
Grundy Witts NN elite tackles
Grundy Martin elite possesions

Goldy has been pretty much good at everything but elite at nothing, people are missing the real reason his scores are a little down, his disposals have been abit ineffective.

been running at 50% efficiency with a few clangers. If he can fix that up and turn a couple of clangers into effective kicks then his scores would be

92 + 93 which is good but not elite, which is a fair reflection of what he is really putting up.



So if you hoping he will increase his touches, tackling and marks it just wont happen, he hasnt been that bad. He just hasnt been great and has been a little ineffective.

So what has changed from 2015?

If he was never a high possession guy and he supposedly smashed McEvoy to play a great game in the ruck yesterday, where have all the points gone that saw him average 128.3 three years ago? Even if he scores 92/93 with effective disposal, this is still wayyyy below what we saw a few years back.

I am genuinely interested.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on April 23, 2018, 06:12:44 PM
For a start, he had huge hit out and HOTAs that year. Averaged 45.
Compared to 30 this year so a 30+% drop?
He also averaged 15 disposals, 4 marks and 4 tackles compared to 13/3/3
Not a huge difference, but add in his ineffective disposals, clangers and large hit out drop, it all adds up.
I'd also argue Norf had a better midfield at his feet then too.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: MontyJnr on April 23, 2018, 06:55:51 PM
For a start, he had huge hit out and HOTAs that year. Averaged 45.
Compared to 30 this year so a 30+% drop?
He also averaged 15 disposals, 4 marks and 4 tackles compared to 13/3/3
Not a huge difference, but add in his ineffective disposals, clangers and large hit out drop, it all adds up.
I'd also argue Norf had a better midfield at his feet then too.

Well we already established that clean disposal/less clangers would only achieve a score of 92/93, which is still well short of his peak form and what is required of a Top 2 ruck.

So the real difference is the significant drop off in hitout numbers, which tells me his great ruck performance yesterday is being overstated somewhat....

North Melbourne @NMFCOfficial Apr 22
Scott: That looked like the Goldstein of old today. He was good, and gave our midfielders first use all afternoon.


Brad certainly mustn't be talking about 2015 Goldstein...

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on April 23, 2018, 07:22:30 PM
For a start, he had huge hit out and HOTAs that year. Averaged 45.
Compared to 30 this year so a 30+% drop?
He also averaged 15 disposals, 4 marks and 4 tackles compared to 13/3/3
Not a huge difference, but add in his ineffective disposals, clangers and large hit out drop, it all adds up.
I'd also argue Norf had a better midfield at his feet then too.

Well we already established that clean disposal/less clangers would only achieve a score of 92/93, which is still well short of his peak form and what is required of a Top 2 ruck.

So the real difference is the significant drop off in hitout numbers, which tells me his great ruck performance yesterday is being overstated somewhat....

North Melbourne @NMFCOfficial Apr 22
Scott: That looked like the Goldstein of old today. He was good, and gave our midfielders first use all afternoon.


Brad certainly mustn't be talking about 2015 Goldstein...

Ubeat is spot on.

Comparing him too his 128 year is a tough ask. Compare him to his other premo years where he was 113 average. Then you look at what he has put up and assume he cleans up his disposals last 2 games 105 123 57 90 90. Its just that shocker v gawn.

Im not arguing he will be a top 2 ruck i just think you can make up more points elsewhere. Its a trade and a decent amount of cash now to move.

In contrast im working on getting rookies off my field and gray over henry last week gained me 100 points.



I think he can average 90+ which isnt very good but its not horrible.

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Marstar on April 24, 2018, 09:59:56 AM
For a start, he had huge hit out and HOTAs that year. Averaged 45.
Compared to 30 this year so a 30+% drop?
He also averaged 15 disposals, 4 marks and 4 tackles compared to 13/3/3
Not a huge difference, but add in his ineffective disposals, clangers and large hit out drop, it all adds up.
I'd also argue Norf had a better midfield at his feet then too.

Well we already established that clean disposal/less clangers would only achieve a score of 92/93, which is still well short of his peak form and what is required of a Top 2 ruck.

So the real difference is the significant drop off in hitout numbers, which tells me his great ruck performance yesterday is being overstated somewhat....

North Melbourne @NMFCOfficial Apr 22
Scott: That looked like the Goldstein of old today. He was good, and gave our midfielders first use all afternoon.


Brad certainly mustn't be talking about 2015 Goldstein...

Ubeat is spot on.

Comparing him too his 128 year is a tough ask. Compare him to his other premo years where he was 113 average. Then you look at what he has put up and assume he cleans up his disposals last 2 games 105 123 57 90 90. Its just that shocker v gawn.

Im not arguing he will be a top 2 ruck i just think you can make up more points elsewhere. Its a trade and a decent amount of cash now to move.

In contrast im working on getting rookies off my field and gray over henry last week gained me 100 points.



I think he can average 90+ which isnt very good but its not horrible.

Adding to this, so far Gawn has 4 scalps:

Z.Smith 75 (and dropped)
S.Martin 63 (Other scores are 111, 154, 94, 97)
McEvoy 49 (Other scores are  93 138 93 74)

I'd give him a couple weeks to see if the confidence boost from this weeks performance will translate SC scores. 
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: igotworms on April 25, 2018, 10:31:24 AM
For a start, he had huge hit out and HOTAs that year. Averaged 45.
Compared to 30 this year so a 30+% drop?
He also averaged 15 disposals, 4 marks and 4 tackles compared to 13/3/3
Not a huge difference, but add in his ineffective disposals, clangers and large hit out drop, it all adds up.
I'd also argue Norf had a better midfield at his feet then too.

Well we already established that clean disposal/less clangers would only achieve a score of 92/93, which is still well short of his peak form and what is required of a Top 2 ruck.

So the real difference is the significant drop off in hitout numbers, which tells me his great ruck performance yesterday is being overstated somewhat....

North Melbourne @NMFCOfficial Apr 22
Scott: That looked like the Goldstein of old today. He was good, and gave our midfielders first use all afternoon.


Brad certainly mustn't be talking about 2015 Goldstein...

Ubeat is spot on.

Comparing him too his 128 year is a tough ask. Compare him to his other premo years where he was 113 average. Then you look at what he has put up and assume he cleans up his disposals last 2 games 105 123 57 90 90. Its just that shocker v gawn.

Im not arguing he will be a top 2 ruck i just think you can make up more points elsewhere. Its a trade and a decent amount of cash now to move.

In contrast im working on getting rookies off my field and gray over henry last week gained me 100 points.



I think he can average 90+ which isnt very good but its not horrible.

Adding to this, so far Gawn has 4 scalps:

Z.Smith 75 (and dropped)
S.Martin 63 (Other scores are 111, 154, 94, 97)
McEvoy 49 (Other scores are  93 138 93 74)

I'd give him a couple weeks to see if the confidence boost from this weeks performance will translate SC scores.

I watched him on the weekend and he looked sluggish. Didn't cover the ground very well, (not that he ever did) and could hardly get near the pill. Looks like Hit outs and HOAs will generate the majority of his scoring in my opinion. Ill give him a couple more weeks, but think I will look at trading him out to Grundy or NicNat if he starts to get more game time and I have confidence in him not getting rested/injured! :-\
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on April 25, 2018, 06:37:08 PM
If my maths is correct Grundy will be the top scorer by total points of any player once SC opens for Rd. 6.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Torpedo10 on April 25, 2018, 06:38:32 PM
If my maths is correct Grundy will be the top scorer by total points of any player once SC opens for Rd. 6.
He's looking awfully good, almost worth the price tag.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on April 25, 2018, 06:41:11 PM
If my maths is correct Grundy will be the top scorer by total points of any player once SC opens for Rd. 6.

Your maths are correct. Looking like a must have
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: dmac07 on April 25, 2018, 07:02:48 PM
If my maths is correct Grundy will be the top scorer by total points of any player once SC opens for Rd. 6.

Your maths are correct. Looking like a must have

Just need Lycett to fatten up for a few more weeks then its Grundy time. Already having Gawn I really can't see any reason for going anyone other than Grundy. The new Dean Cox
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on April 25, 2018, 07:08:42 PM
Grundy looking the goods, just need to wait on a drop in price. Next up is Nank followed by Stef Martin & then Smith/Ratugolea. Might never happen looking at things logically.  :P
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: tkringle on April 25, 2018, 07:12:43 PM
Grundy looking the goods, just need to wait on a drop in price. Next up is Nank followed by Stef Martin & then Smith/Ratugolea. Might never happen looking at things logically.  :P

Will go up another ~$20K after today’s game but then has a BE of around 120. No harm cash wise waiting a couple of weeks hoping for a drop
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on April 25, 2018, 08:55:14 PM
I have Stef and Gawn so would be a luxury trade at this stage to go Grundy.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on April 25, 2018, 09:02:47 PM
I have Stef and Gawn so would be a luxury trade at this stage to go Grundy.

Yeah unless you have Smartin or NN I think you really need to consider Grundy

I've got Lycett so hopefully I can get Grundy in about 3 weeks (will probably mean no Danger until after his bye which is risky haha)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: _wato on April 26, 2018, 01:43:04 PM
I'm gonna miss the boat on Grundy. Next best option is Ryder imo, wait till after his bye (targeting Round 11/12 before 3 home games) and pick him up once the 60 odd is out of his rolling average. Breakeven of 196 so can afford to wait. Should be good for 105 on the run home.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Marstar on April 26, 2018, 03:24:17 PM
I have Stef and Gawn so would be a luxury trade at this stage to go Grundy.

Same. And I already factored in that SMartin would get a low score when he came up against Gawn in R2 (as he has in previous matchups).  If Gawn scalped Grundy in R12 as an equalizer ... SMartin should have been able to make back some ground.

However I didn't expect that Brissy's midfield would struggle so hard this season to take advantage of SMartin's tap work (or he would be so inefficient).

For comparison (rounds 1-4):

Player    Hitouts    Hitouts to Advantage    HTA Rate

S Martin       42                 14                      33.33
B Grundy     28                 12                      42.86

S Martin       35                  8                       22.86
B Grundy     45                  15                     33.33

S Martin       49                  11                     22.45
B Grundy     32                   7                       21.88

S Martin       20                  4                       20
B Grundy     40                 12                       30


Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: MontyJnr on April 26, 2018, 06:13:43 PM
I have Stef and Gawn so would be a luxury trade at this stage to go Grundy.

Same. And I already factored in that SMartin would get a low score when he came up against Gawn in R2 (as he has in previous matchups).  If Gawn scalped Grundy in R12 as an equalizer ... SMartin should have been able to make back some ground.

However I didn't expect that Brissy's midfield would struggle so hard this season to take advantage of SMartin's tap work (or he would be so inefficient).

For comparison (rounds 1-4):

Player    Hitouts    Hitouts to Advantage    HTA Rate

S Martin       42                 14                      33.33
B Grundy     28                 12                      42.86

S Martin       35                  8                       22.86
B Grundy     45                  15                     33.33

S Martin       49                  11                     22.45
B Grundy     32                   7                       21.88

S Martin       20                  4                       20
B Grundy     40                 12                       30




Inclusion of Oscar McInerney a worry for Stef owners now...
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on April 26, 2018, 06:33:09 PM
I have Stef and Gawn so would be a luxury trade at this stage to go Grundy.

Same. And I already factored in that SMartin would get a low score when he came up against Gawn in R2 (as he has in previous matchups).  If Gawn scalped Grundy in R12 as an equalizer ... SMartin should have been able to make back some ground.

However I didn't expect that Brissy's midfield would struggle so hard this season to take advantage of SMartin's tap work (or he would be so inefficient).

For comparison (rounds 1-4):

Player    Hitouts    Hitouts to Advantage    HTA Rate

S Martin       42                 14                      33.33
B Grundy     28                 12                      42.86

S Martin       35                  8                       22.86
B Grundy     45                  15                     33.33

S Martin       49                  11                     22.45
B Grundy     32                   7                       21.88

S Martin       20                  4                       20
B Grundy     40                 12                       30




Inclusion of Oscar McInerney a worry for Stef owners now...
No worries at all - As a Lions supporter Fagan has stated with playing Giants we have opted for a taller forward line and big Oscar has been clunking them in NEAFL.  Looks like he will be taking Josh Walkers role and his to take and make it his own.  Oscar was a mature aged rookie and at 204cm is the tallest player on our list.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Toga on April 26, 2018, 09:33:03 PM
If my maths is correct Grundy will be the top scorer by total points of any player once SC opens for Rd. 6.
He's looking awfully good, almost worth the price tag.

;) ;)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on April 27, 2018, 10:53:25 AM
To those considering trading Goldy, he should have a field day against Port this week.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on April 27, 2018, 10:57:52 AM
To those considering trading Goldy, he should have a field day against Port this week.

its all whether he can convert it to SC points, Goldy from an AFL standpoint has been quite good except the gawn game.

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on April 27, 2018, 10:58:10 AM
I have Stef and Gawn so would be a luxury trade at this stage to go Grundy.

Same. And I already factored in that SMartin would get a low score when he came up against Gawn in R2 (as he has in previous matchups).  If Gawn scalped Grundy in R12 as an equalizer ... SMartin should have been able to make back some ground.

However I didn't expect that Brissy's midfield would struggle so hard this season to take advantage of SMartin's tap work (or he would be so inefficient).

For comparison (rounds 1-4):

Player    Hitouts    Hitouts to Advantage    HTA Rate

S Martin       42                 14                      33.33
B Grundy     28                 12                      42.86

S Martin       35                  8                       22.86
B Grundy     45                  15                     33.33

S Martin       49                  11                     22.45
B Grundy     32                   7                       21.88

S Martin       20                  4                       20
B Grundy     40                 12                       30




Inclusion of Oscar McInerney a worry for Stef owners now...
No worries at all - As a Lions supporter Fagan has stated with playing Giants we have opted for a taller forward line and big Oscar has been clunking them in NEAFL.  Looks like he will be taking Josh Walkers role and his to take and make it his own.  Oscar was a mature aged rookie and at 204cm is the tallest player on our list.
And this from Chris Fagans press conference this morning:
CF: Oscar has really earned his spot. He is a really handy forward as well as being good in the ruck.
Note the mention of forward first.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ricochet on April 27, 2018, 02:45:38 PM
To those considering trading Goldy, he should have a field day against Port this week.
He actually has a pretty good ruckman run coming up

Port - Ryderless
Sydney - Sinclair lol
Richmond - Rucks score well against Nank
GWS - Lobb? Simpson? Patton?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on April 27, 2018, 04:28:40 PM
To those considering trading Goldy, he should have a field day against Port this week.
He actually has a pretty good ruckman run coming up

Port - Ryderless
Sydney - Sinclair lol
Richmond - Rucks score well against Nank
GWS - Lobb? Simpson? Patton?

This is why I kept him, really hope he repays the faith.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: igotworms on April 27, 2018, 04:32:56 PM
To those considering trading Goldy, he should have a field day against Port this week.
He actually has a pretty good ruckman run coming up

Port - Ryderless
Sydney - Sinclair lol
Richmond - Rucks score well against Nank
GWS - Lobb? Simpson? Patton?

This is why I kept him, really hope he repays the faith.

+ 1   :(
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Goosey on April 27, 2018, 07:06:09 PM
To those considering trading Goldy, he should have a field day against Port this week.
He actually has a pretty good ruckman run coming up

Port - Ryderless
Sydney - Sinclair lol
Richmond - Rucks score well against Nank
GWS - Lobb? Simpson? Patton?

This is why I kept him, really hope he repays the faith.

+ 1   :(
+2 hoping persistence pays off
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on April 28, 2018, 03:01:56 PM
Can't afford to hold Goldy anymore, he's now making Dixon look good. Have seen enough.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on April 28, 2018, 03:06:30 PM
Can't afford to hold Goldy anymore, he's now making Dixon look good. Have seen enough.
Useless flog joins Hibberd in the not a premium anymore category.
On track for a whopping 50 points today.
Still kicking myself for believing the hype.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Mongoose528 on April 28, 2018, 03:06:33 PM
Can't afford to hold Goldy anymore, he's now making Dixon look good. Have seen enough.

Same here, Grundy in next week. I'm losing way too many points. Danger can wait a week.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on April 28, 2018, 03:17:47 PM
COOKED.

Pie.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jfitty on April 28, 2018, 03:22:19 PM
Might be NicNat time - get him on the upswing with his TOG increasing
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on April 28, 2018, 03:45:56 PM
Yeah I've given him enough chances, but this guy and that other flowering spud Bonner need to get out of my team asap
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gandalf123 on April 28, 2018, 03:48:51 PM
I think I’m honestly gonna trade goldy to sinkers lol
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on April 28, 2018, 04:12:05 PM
Sinkers GOAT
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jfitty on April 28, 2018, 04:18:05 PM
Goldy woken up since half time.. If only the big bugger could kick
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: tkringle on April 28, 2018, 04:32:22 PM
Goldy woken up since half time.. If only the big bugger could kick

At least he won’t bleed as much $$ now
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on April 28, 2018, 04:38:20 PM
Goldy woken up since half time.. If only the big bugger could kick

I'll take 88 considering he was 28 at half time.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on April 28, 2018, 04:40:23 PM
Survives another week just because I have other problems bigger than him, which is saying something
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on April 28, 2018, 05:11:10 PM
If only he kicked that goal would have gone 105+

38 hitouts 15 touches 9 contested and 2 goal assists decent game and great second half.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on April 28, 2018, 05:23:03 PM
If only he kicked that goal would have gone 105+

38 hitouts 15 touches 9 contested and 2 goal assists decent game and great second half.
If he can't at least hit 100 with those numbers vs part time rucks there is something seriously wrong. No Higgins certainly not helping.
He's still a spud 72,57,77,88 from a so called premo?? Please...
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on April 28, 2018, 05:50:40 PM
Ugh Stef...
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ricochet on April 29, 2018, 12:53:41 AM
COOKED.

Pie.
;D
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: HoleMeal on April 29, 2018, 07:44:11 AM
If only he kicked that goal would have gone 105+

38 hitouts 15 touches 9 contested and 2 goal assists decent game and great second half.
If he can't at least hit 100 with those numbers vs part time rucks there is something seriously wrong. No Higgins certainly not helping.
He's still a spud 72,57,77,88 from a so called premo?? Please...
He ambles around the ground and his body language is hardly positive.
Add to that the fact his numbers were semi decent yet he only got 88?
Hello Brody
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: crowls on April 29, 2018, 08:15:47 AM
time for nicnat i think.   
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on April 29, 2018, 08:47:16 AM
Ugh Stef...
Managed to still get 92 despite GWS having a plan for him. Can't complain really.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ricochet on April 29, 2018, 09:24:51 AM
Ugh Stef...
Managed to still get 92 despite GWS having a plan for him. Can't complain really.
And with Oscar in the side
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on April 29, 2018, 01:37:42 PM
Ugh Stef...
Managed to still get 92 despite GWS having a plan for him. Can't complain really.
And with Oscar in the side
Think Stef Oscar combo works more effectively than Stef/Archie.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on April 29, 2018, 03:45:03 PM
I'm so annoyed with Grundy. I picked him last year, and was inconsistent and whenever Cox played he'd score shower. I figured that would continue this year so I didn't look at him again.

Feels like he's out to get me playing like he is.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on April 29, 2018, 03:50:41 PM
I'm so annoyed with Grundy. I picked him last year, and was inconsistent and whenever Cox played he'd score shower. I figured that would continue this year so I didn't look at him again.

Feels like he's out to get me playing like he is.
Yeah it sux not having Grundy. Didn't pick him last year, but was of the opinion he was about to break out, got put off by the "scores shower with Cox" argument.
49 points in one quarter.
Hey Goldy that's how u play ruck in the modern game u flowering lazy Muppet.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jfitty on April 29, 2018, 03:53:40 PM
I'm so annoyed with Grundy. I picked him last year, and was inconsistent and whenever Cox played he'd score shower. I figured that would continue this year so I didn't look at him again.

Feels like he's out to get me playing like he is.

Yeah this is exactly what turned me off him this year, didn't even consider him at all. Even watching him around the ground he was fumbly and awkward. Was so frustrating.

Have to hope he can string some poor games together at some stage and flick Goldstein to him.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: PowerBug on April 29, 2018, 06:48:22 PM
Ahhhhhhhhh kudos to anyone who started Lycett in the end. Doing exactly what I thought he would do if fit and has been a great pick. Unfortunately the injury risk was something too big for me to gamble on.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Adamant on April 29, 2018, 07:20:27 PM
The Slyce was a lock. 92.6 average after round one. Looks like I'll be leaving him at R2 for a while yet.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: dmac07 on April 29, 2018, 07:38:29 PM
Ahhhhhhhhh kudos to anyone who started Lycett in the end. Doing exactly what I thought he would do if fit and has been a great pick. Unfortunately the injury risk was something too big for me to gamble on.

Got a little worried after an early 30 but repaying me in spades right now!
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: H1bb3i2d on April 29, 2018, 07:46:20 PM
Yeah low-key he's been one of my few great moves after an awful start :P
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on May 05, 2018, 07:50:11 PM
Spudstein (the "premium ruck") 3 disposals 1 mark 0 tackles 6 SC points in first quarter.

Sinclair 9 disposals 4 marks 1 tackle
1 goal 49 SC points in first quarter.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on May 05, 2018, 08:03:12 PM
Far out I just saw Goldy is on 10 lol this guy is ruining me

Might be time to cut ties and punt him

FFS LIFT GOLDY!!
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: GoLions on May 05, 2018, 08:07:30 PM
Far out I just saw Goldy is on 10 lol this guy is ruining me

Might be time to cut ties and punt him

FFS LIFT GOLDY!!
I'd love a 30 personally
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Torpedo10 on May 05, 2018, 08:07:40 PM
Far out I just saw Goldy is on 10 lol this guy is ruining me

Might be time to cut ties and punt him

FFS LIFT GOLDY!!
Carn Goldy!

RD, use your Macrae luck on him.  :P
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on May 05, 2018, 08:25:45 PM
Half time Spudstein update
5 disposals 26 SC points

Sinclair 15 disposals 75 SC points

Between him and Billings they're ruining my overall rankings every flowering week.

Wish I'd traded them when they had some value. Bit late now...
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: PowerBug on May 05, 2018, 08:28:40 PM
My plan is to wait until Rd 11 and get Ryder. A down game today, a 68 in Rd 1 too, Sauce next week (guaranteed sub 100), then GC then the bye. Will be cheap and have had his bye come Rd 11 :)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jfitty on May 05, 2018, 08:32:50 PM
My plan is to wait until Rd 11 and get Ryder. A down game today, a 68 in Rd 1 too, Sauce next week (guaranteed sub 100), then GC then the bye. Will be cheap and have had his bye come Rd 11 :)

Great call that - should have some form and fitness up by then
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: tkringle on May 05, 2018, 08:40:05 PM
My plan is to wait until Rd 11 and get Ryder. A down game today, a 68 in Rd 1 too, Sauce next week (guaranteed sub 100), then GC then the bye. Will be cheap and have had his bye come Rd 11 :)

Great call that - should have some form and fitness up by then

It may be our only hope..
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Hazza09 on May 06, 2018, 01:14:21 AM
Goldstein and Billings have ruined me that I’m actually lost for words.
Goldstein is done! It’s time to part ways but will have to be done after his bye unfortunately.
Have so many issues with my side that I havnt been able to trade him and both him and Billings are worth very little at the moment.
With guys like Finlayson Murray Doedee and Holman reaching there BE they will have to be offloaded soon aswell.
This season so far has been a disaster, rock bottom in my cash league and every single week Goldstein and Billings are so callled “uniques” I’ve lost a showerload amount of points cause of Goldy especially when your opponents are running around with Stef, Grundy etc.
Goldstein is in the never again list along with Billings! Both these so called “premiums” have ruined my season!
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on May 06, 2018, 03:11:25 AM
Goldstein and Billings have ruined me that I’m actually lost for words.
Goldstein is done! It’s time to part ways but will have to be done after his bye unfortunately.
Have so many issues with my side that I havnt been able to trade him and both him and Billings are worth very little at the moment.
With guys like Finlayson Murray Doedee and Holman reaching there BE they will have to be offloaded soon aswell.
This season so far has been a disaster, rock bottom in my cash league and every single week Goldstein and Billings are so callled “uniques” I’ve lost a showerload amount of points cause of Goldy especially when your opponents are running around with Stef, Grundy etc.
Goldstein is in the never again list along with Billings! Both these so called “premiums” have ruined my season!

Feel your frustration. Especially when Goldy was rucking against Sinclair who's not a #1 ruckman. Thought it was a good chance for him to ton up but he looks like an old man out there
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: igotworms on May 06, 2018, 09:54:40 AM
Goldstein and Billings have ruined me that I’m actually lost for words.
Goldstein is done! It’s time to part ways but will have to be done after his bye unfortunately.
Have so many issues with my side that I havnt been able to trade him and both him and Billings are worth very little at the moment.
With guys like Finlayson Murray Doedee and Holman reaching there BE they will have to be offloaded soon aswell.
This season so far has been a disaster, rock bottom in my cash league and every single week Goldstein and Billings are so callled “uniques” I’ve lost a showerload amount of points cause of Goldy especially when your opponents are running around with Stef, Grundy etc.
Goldstein is in the never again list along with Billings! Both these so called “premiums” have ruined my season!

Feel your pain Hazza! I too have the spud named Goldstein and frustrating crab named Billings! As stated previous, I'm waiting for Ryder to have his bye and trading him in for Goldyspud! My other thought is, if Richo continues to play Billings forward and he churns out more crab like scores, I'll look at replacing him with Lobb when he returns and hopefully has a couple of games under his belt! I'm sitting at 273 overall at the moment and was much higher in previous weeks. They are killing my overall rating and the worms are not happy!!  >:(
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on May 06, 2018, 10:50:33 AM
Got so many problems he'll probably stay another week. Best exit might just be Goldy to Ryder in round 11 or 12.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Mongoose528 on May 06, 2018, 11:15:43 AM
Got so many problems he'll probably stay another week. Best exit might just be Goldy to Ryder in round 11 or 12.

Yep, Gray and Ryder can come into my team after round 10.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ricochet on May 06, 2018, 11:22:17 AM
Got so many problems he'll probably stay another week. Best exit might just be Goldy to Ryder in round 11 or 12.

Yep, Gray and Ryder can come into my team after round 10.
Yeh don't mind this. He's gonna have to stay for now
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Nige on May 10, 2018, 01:46:25 PM
Word going around that Nank's getting a rest this week for those like myself who have him. Apparently it's all but confirmed

Don't wanna be copping a donut, so it's either gonna have to be Nank himself to somebody, or for me, probably Scott Jones (D3) to Oscar McInerney who is on the bubble.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on May 10, 2018, 02:37:43 PM
McInrney may be forced out with Nick Robertsons return though as we are probably too tall for the dogs.  May be worth considering Crossley from the Suns though.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on May 10, 2018, 02:37:50 PM
Word going around that Nank's getting a rest this week for those like myself who have him. Apparently it's all but confirmed

Don't wanna be copping a donut, so it's either gonna have to be Nank himself to somebody, or for me, probably Scott Jones (D3) to Oscar McInerney who is on the bubble.

Trade Nank or cop the donut.

Not worth burning a trade on McInerney to gain 40-50 points
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Nige on May 10, 2018, 03:18:47 PM
Word going around that Nank's getting a rest this week for those like myself who have him. Apparently it's all but confirmed

Don't wanna be copping a donut, so it's either gonna have to be Nank himself to somebody, or for me, probably Scott Jones (D3) to Oscar McInerney who is on the bubble.

Trade Nank or cop the donut.

Not worth burning a trade on McInerney to gain 40-50 points
That's a fair point.

Ideally I'd like Grundy, but I'm not sure if that's possible.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Holz on May 10, 2018, 03:40:21 PM
Word going around that Nank's getting a rest this week for those like myself who have him. Apparently it's all but confirmed

Don't wanna be copping a donut, so it's either gonna have to be Nank himself to somebody, or for me, probably Scott Jones (D3) to Oscar McInerney who is on the bubble.

Bring in Goldy, we have the Tigers this week.

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: _wato on May 10, 2018, 03:46:43 PM
Word going around that Nank's getting a rest this week for those like myself who have him. Apparently it's all but confirmed

Don't wanna be copping a donut, so it's either gonna have to be Nank himself to somebody, or for me, probably Scott Jones (D3) to Oscar McInerney who is on the bubble.

Bring in Goldy, we have the Tigers this week.

In b4 Goldy doesn't make full use of playing against a VFL ruck and scores 80
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: quinny88 on May 10, 2018, 04:21:03 PM
Word going around that Nank's getting a rest this week for those like myself who have him. Apparently it's all but confirmed

Don't wanna be copping a donut, so it's either gonna have to be Nank himself to somebody, or for me, probably Scott Jones (D3) to Oscar McInerney who is on the bubble.

Bring in Goldy, we have the Tigers this week.

In b4 Goldy doesn't make full use of playing against a VFL ruck and scores 80

Wouldn't expect anything else.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Gigantor on May 10, 2018, 06:55:24 PM
Late change for Nank??
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on May 10, 2018, 08:11:47 PM
Late change for Nank??

Not looking good as Soldo is on the extended bench.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Dudge on May 10, 2018, 08:21:35 PM
Is Nank a injury, or a rest ? Surely if a rest, he would of been outed this week already. A injury on the other hand, would possibly be a late out
 
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: MontyJnr on May 10, 2018, 08:39:20 PM
Late change for Nank??

Not looking good as Soldo is on the extended bench.

Soldo is named emergency every week though.

Is there actually any basis to the Nank rumours outside of Fantasy Freako on Twitter retweeting a random's post?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on May 11, 2018, 01:07:27 PM
Late change for Nank??

Not looking good as Soldo is on the extended bench.

Soldo is named emergency every week though.

Is there actually any basis to the Nank rumours outside of Fantasy Freako on Twitter retweeting a random's post?

Nank owners can rest easy, completed training & looks good to go. Houli in rehab so maybe out for BEllis.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Mongoose528 on May 12, 2018, 05:56:57 PM
Lock in Goldstein -> Ryder round 11.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on May 12, 2018, 11:16:38 PM
Gawn

Grundy

Martin


Edit: Forgot Sinclair :P
















Everyone else.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Sabretooth Tigers on May 13, 2018, 12:24:00 AM
Lock in Goldstein -> Ryder round 11.

Ditto
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jfitty on May 13, 2018, 10:05:29 AM
Lock in Goldstein -> Ryder round 11.

Ditto

Yep will be looking at this too. I reckon a Ryder can about match those top guys in terms of average for the run home
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: _wato on May 13, 2018, 10:25:27 AM
SANDI back to back 150’s, what a man
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on May 13, 2018, 10:40:01 AM
SANDI back to back 150’s, what a man

Has turned out to be a great pick, 102 average. Switching to Ryder maybe not the best move.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: ubeaut on May 13, 2018, 01:36:47 PM
Spudstein allergic to the ball again. 0 disposals.
Nank on the other hand 6 disposals 3 marks 22 points in first quarter.

Does he not see all the other rucks working hard getting marks,disposals and tackles? And go um maybe I should actually do something?
Has he no shame?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on May 13, 2018, 03:15:30 PM
So is Goldy even out there?

I plan on upgrading 2 Def rookies to prems but I might actually get more points keeping the Def rookies and upgrading Goldy and Billings instead
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on May 13, 2018, 03:38:40 PM
So is Goldy even out there?

I plan on upgrading 2 Def rookies to prems but I might actually get more points keeping the Def rookies and upgrading Goldy and Billings instead

I'd hold off on Goldy, wait for Ryder.

As for Billings, time is up.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ricochet on May 13, 2018, 03:40:32 PM
Goldy has to go
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: smashbox on May 13, 2018, 04:19:27 PM
Grundy not having the best game so far. Hopefully it continues and we see a big price drop
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: tkringle on May 13, 2018, 04:22:12 PM
So is Goldy even out there?

I plan on upgrading 2 Def rookies to prems but I might actually get more points keeping the Def rookies and upgrading Goldy and Billings instead

I'd hold off on Goldy, wait for Ryder.

As for Billings, time is up.

This. Will sideways Billings to Phillips and hold Goldy till Ryder’s bye is over or Grundy drops
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on May 13, 2018, 04:23:08 PM
Goldy has to go

As painful as he is, I reckon we need to hang on a little longer

Ryder coming up after his bye, and Grundy having a stinker today too so there might be some good options in 2 weeks time

Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jfitty on May 13, 2018, 04:28:53 PM
Goldy has to go

As painful as he is, I reckon we need to hang on a little longer

Ryder coming up after his bye, and Grundy having a stinker today too so there might be some good options in 2 weeks time

Yeah as painful as it is, Ryder is the man I feel.. Should be back to 100% after his bye, and will be handy through those rounds and I expect a big second half of the season.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on May 13, 2018, 04:31:40 PM
Goldy has to go

As painful as he is, I reckon we need to hang on a little longer

Ryder coming up after his bye, and Grundy having a stinker today too so there might be some good options in 2 weeks time

Ryder looked back to his best on the weekend, can see him going toe to toe with the best from here.

Yeah as painful as it is, Ryder is the man I feel.. Should be back to 100% after his bye, and will be handy through those rounds and I expect a big second half of the season.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: PowerBug on May 13, 2018, 04:58:17 PM
Did someone say Grundy stinker? Where? I don't see it 8)
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: RaisyDaisy on May 13, 2018, 05:05:46 PM
Did someone say Grundy stinker? Where? I don't see it 8)

26 at 1/2 time, 90 at 3/4 time lol
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: SilverLion on May 13, 2018, 05:05:56 PM
I flowering hate Grundy. Can't play a bad game this year.

Feels like he's out to get me playing like he is.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Mongoose528 on May 13, 2018, 05:07:41 PM
Flower it. Doing Goldstein-> Grundy. Clearly the second best ruck in the competition, I’m willing to spend $$ for guaranteed points.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on May 13, 2018, 05:55:55 PM
Flower it. Doing Goldstein-> Grundy. Clearly the second best ruck in the competition, I’m willing to spend $$ for guaranteed points.

It's certainly getting to that point, won't jump on the rucks until I get another look at Ryder but Grundy is fast becoming a must have.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: fanTCfool on May 13, 2018, 08:18:12 PM
Kreuz is an absolute steal at 471k for anyone with Goldy.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: billnats on May 13, 2018, 08:43:58 PM
Would love this but feel that Petracca to Heeney is something I need done earlier
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jbjimmyjb on May 13, 2018, 08:45:02 PM
Kreuz is an absolute steal at 471k for anyone with Goldy.
But is the risk of him picking up yet another injury in his luckless career worth it?
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on May 14, 2018, 04:32:10 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-14/baby-before-footy-crows-preparing-for-no-sauce
Haha. I'm prepared for no Sauce anyway because I'm trading his sorry a$$ for Grundy regardless.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Dazzalenko on May 15, 2018, 04:13:26 PM
Getting Grundy this week for goldy, pointless having a unique that bleeds 50 points every week when compared to grundy
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ingram on May 17, 2018, 01:33:28 AM
Think the 50k upgrade to NicNat is a no brainer.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: jvalles69 on May 17, 2018, 03:06:18 PM
Think the 50k upgrade to NicNat is a no brainer.

I'm considering this now too, he's had his week off, gets a bye coming up, could possibly miss 1 more game for a rest...tough decision...
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: enzedder on May 19, 2018, 04:52:53 AM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-05-14/baby-before-footy-crows-preparing-for-no-sauce
Haha. I'm prepared for no Sauce anyway because I'm trading his sorry a$$ for Grundy regardless.
Happy to have parted ways with Sauce before last night’s game.
47 points in a 54 hitout performance.
Grundy is my man now.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: smashbox on May 19, 2018, 10:15:10 AM
This rule where if it’s not a HOTA it is -1 is bloody horrid
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: fanTCfool on May 19, 2018, 10:34:36 AM
This rule where if it’s not a HOTA it is -1 is bloody horrid

Pretty sure only sharked hit-outs lose points, a hit out to neither team's advantage is 0 IIRC.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Ringo on May 19, 2018, 11:22:05 AM
This rule where if it’s not a HOTA it is -1 is bloody horrid

Pretty sure only sharked hit-outs lose points, a hit out to neither team's advantage is 0 IIRC.
Correct only sharked hit outs lose points. So you need to be careful for those teams who do not have a superior ruck as they concentrate on sharking the clearance. Dogs did it a bit to Stef last week.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on May 19, 2018, 02:18:57 PM
Spudstein just gets worse, deserves to be dropped.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: no eye deer on May 19, 2018, 03:10:52 PM
Spudstein just gets worse, deserves to be dropped.

As long as it’s not next week. One more week then he’s goneski!
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Chrispy75 on May 19, 2018, 03:20:33 PM
Spudstein just gets worse, deserves to be dropped.

As long as it’s not next week. One more week then he’s goneski!
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on May 19, 2018, 04:25:05 PM
Goldy scored a ton in 3 quarters, hopefully this is the turning point.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Mongoose528 on May 19, 2018, 04:28:16 PM
And I traded him to Grundy...

Still think getting Grundy will definitely pay off in the long run. Don't think this will happen frequently from Goldy.
Title: Re: Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread
Post by: Bully on May 19, 2018, 04:34:11 PM
And I traded him to Grundy...

Still think getting Grundy will definitely pay off in the long run. Don't think this will happen frequently from Goldy.

Can't go wrong with Grundy, fair to say the opposition was poor today.