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Title: Alex Witherden
Post by: SilverLion on January 11, 2018, 05:40:40 PM
Now I know it is strange to have a thread about a bloke who has only played 9 games of football, but this guy is some talent.

Across his first 9 games he scored:
76  91  74  109  86  103  69 (missed last quarter)  72  104 = 87.1 average

Now with a second full pre-season under his belt and under the guidance of Hodge and the gradual improvement of the Brisbane team as a whole surely the signs are that he will continue to improve.

I think we all agree he will no doubt become a serious option as an elite defender prem at some stage, but will anyone be starting from Rd.1 in 2018?

$478,900

*Pending GOAT status*

Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: shaker on January 11, 2018, 06:27:49 PM
9 games is not enough to spend that much money if he actually somehow manages to become a top 6 back can always get him later but Lloyd for 1K more is way safer
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Huttabito on January 11, 2018, 06:34:26 PM
Not even considering starting him, price is way to awkward for the unknown.

Laird, Hibberd and Willams for me.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: quinny88 on January 11, 2018, 08:12:40 PM
Yeah I wouldn't think of starting him but will of course consider him as an upgrade target if he performs well
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Ringo on January 11, 2018, 10:10:19 PM
Yeah I wouldn't think of starting him but will of course consider him as an upgrade target if he performs well
Even as a Lions supporter not starting him - Bit pricey when you consider others around the same price. No doubt he will be favourite for the Rising Star.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: quinny88 on January 11, 2018, 10:32:50 PM
Yeah I wouldn't think of starting him but will of course consider him as an upgrade target if he performs well
Even as a Lions supporter not starting him - Bit pricey when you consider others around the same price. No doubt he will be favourite for the Rising Star.


For sure. Him and Jack Graham from last years crop will be right up there
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: fanTCfool on January 11, 2018, 11:35:01 PM
Definitely a star of the future, I think it's reasonable to assume he'll be one of our first picked premiums in a couple of years.
However, we've seen second year blues strike a few up and comers so I'll give him a miss, in my starting team at least.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: enzedder on January 12, 2018, 04:47:55 AM
Not starting him either but might look to bring him in later in the season if he is scoring well.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Peter on January 12, 2018, 06:30:32 AM
To be a premium defender, needs to average 90+ and to get that score will need to score 100’s semi regularly to make up for the occasional 80’s. Can he do that - 2 from 9 not bad, but probably not quite there yet. More solid backs in SC imo
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: sammy123 on January 12, 2018, 06:51:37 AM
Maybe in a few yrs time after he's had a few seasons under the belt
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: LordSneeze on January 12, 2018, 10:10:05 AM
Have looked at him, but I concur with others. 9 games is too small a sample size given his price. If he continues to develop look at him as a POD upgrade target.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Money Shot on January 12, 2018, 10:21:08 AM
Menegola and Witherden in a similar boat for me.

Would rather get players that have proven them selves over at least one whole season and preferably more.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Sabretooth Tigers on January 12, 2018, 11:07:24 AM
Yeah I wouldn't think of starting him but will of course consider him as an upgrade target if he performs well
Even as a Lions supporter not starting him - Bit pricey when you consider others around the same price. No doubt he will be favourite for the Rising Star.


For sure. Him and Jack Graham from last years crop will be right up there

Hi Quinney, go Tiges.  Are you tempted to play Jack this year ??

 ;)
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Nige on January 12, 2018, 11:16:48 AM
Locked in him for 2018 after his 3rd game last year.

Committed to sticking with my gut on this one.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: quinny88 on January 12, 2018, 12:07:17 PM
Yeah I wouldn't think of starting him but will of course consider him as an upgrade target if he performs well
Even as a Lions supporter not starting him - Bit pricey when you consider others around the same price. No doubt he will be favourite for the Rising Star.


For sure. Him and Jack Graham from last years crop will be right up there

Hi Quinney, go Tiges.  Are you tempted to play Jack this year ??

 ;)

Certainly tempted and had him earmarked until his price was released. Expensive for a guy that only played 2 regular season games. Think he could average 85-90 though
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Ringo on January 12, 2018, 01:54:14 PM
Yeah I wouldn't think of starting him but will of course consider him as an upgrade target if he performs well
Even as a Lions supporter not starting him - Bit pricey when you consider others around the same price. No doubt he will be favourite for the Rising Star.


For sure. Him and Jack Graham from last years crop will be right up there

Hi Quinney, go Tiges.  Are you tempted to play Jack this year ??

 ;)

Certainly tempted and had him earmarked until his price was released. Expensive for a guy that only played 2 regular season games. Think he could average 85-90 though
Witho was on my radar and was wishfully hoping for a mid $330k price, Silly me and $478k for a guy that has only played 9 games scared me.
Questions to ask are:
Will he have 2nd year syndrome? - Has not re-signed yet so may have $ in eyes as well.
Will teams start to put some work into him with forward pressure given his accurate boot?  He still has some work to do in gym as he still looks a little underdone as well.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 12, 2018, 02:00:09 PM
The 9 games doesn't bother me - kid is class

But the fact that I can get so much other proven guys for the same price is why I wouldn't pick him

Unless he turns out to be a 100+ defender, there is no benefit to starting him
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Peter on January 13, 2018, 03:12:39 PM
When you know there are at least half a dozen proven 100+ defenders, just have to pass on him at the moment
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: fanTCfool on January 13, 2018, 03:21:04 PM
When you know there are at least half a dozen proven 100+ defenders, just have to pass on him at the moment

At least a half dozen? Please... go on name them.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Peter on January 13, 2018, 03:45:18 PM
Hurley, Laird, Yeo (all averaged over 100 in 2017),  Hibberd (99 and now Lever takes main tall), Houli (8 tons), Simpson (7 tons and no Docherty), Savage (upon returning - 5/8 tons), Howe (9 tons and 3 90’s from 2017).
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: fanTCfool on January 13, 2018, 04:11:20 PM
The number of tons players racked up last year does not make them proven 100+ defenders. What good is hitting the hundred a few times if you score 70 every other week and average in the 80s or 90s?

I would be expecting Hibberd, Houli, Simpson, Savage and Howe to average below 100 again this year. Hurley and Yeo may well join them.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Peter on January 13, 2018, 05:32:51 PM
Well thst leaves Laird to go 100+. Means a stack in the 90’s, so any of about 15 will do
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Levi434 on January 13, 2018, 05:44:20 PM
Don't need Witho when I can get some cookie cutters for around about the same price.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: crowls on January 13, 2018, 07:28:29 PM
The number of tons players racked up last year does not make them proven 100+ defenders. What good is hitting the hundred a few times if you score 70 every other week and average in the 80s or 90s?

I would be expecting Hibberd, Houli, Simpson, Savage and Howe to average below 100 again this year. Hurley and Yeo may well join them.
also expecting 90-100 from this group.  preference is to pick a 22 gamer if i can work out which one it will be
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: enzedder on January 14, 2018, 06:34:06 AM
The number of tons players racked up last year does not make them proven 100+ defenders. What good is hitting the hundred a few times if you score 70 every other week and average in the 80s or 90s?

I would be expecting Hibberd, Houli, Simpson, Savage and Howe to average below 100 again this year. Hurley and Yeo may well join them.
also expecting 90-100 from this group.  preference is to pick a 22 gamer if i can work out which one it will be
Simpson played 512 out of his last 515 games.  ;) something like that anyway
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: crowls on January 14, 2018, 08:09:08 AM
The number of tons players racked up last year does not make them proven 100+ defenders. What good is hitting the hundred a few times if you score 70 every other week and average in the 80s or 90s?

I would be expecting Hibberd, Houli, Simpson, Savage and Howe to average below 100 again this year. Hurley and Yeo may well join them.
also expecting 90-100 from this group.  preference is to pick a 22 gamer if i can work out which one it will be
Simpson played 512 out of his last 515 games.  ;) something like that anyway
yea NZ my starting def prems are Simmo, Williams and Laird.   Did a write up on simmo some time ago.  Def prems are the only over 30 players worth considering.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: enzedder on January 14, 2018, 08:58:15 AM
The number of tons players racked up last year does not make them proven 100+ defenders. What good is hitting the hundred a few times if you score 70 every other week and average in the 80s or 90s?

I would be expecting Hibberd, Houli, Simpson, Savage and Howe to average below 100 again this year. Hurley and Yeo may well join them.
also expecting 90-100 from this group.  preference is to pick a 22 gamer if i can work out which one it will be
Simpson played 512 out of his last 515 games.  ;) something like that anyway
yea NZ my starting def prems are Simmo, Williams and Laird.   Did a write up on simmo some time ago.  Def prems are the only over 30 players worth considering.
Safe 3 picks I think. Not a bad rule either. Will be some exceptions of course but at the moment I reckon I'm using the same rule without realising it. There seems to have been a changing of the guard... GAJ, Pendles and co are questionable picks whilst Danger, Titch, Dusty and others are more desireable options.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Peter on January 15, 2018, 11:46:17 AM
Simpson, Hibberd and Williams for my starting backs, with Laird first upgrade after price comes off a bit
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Sabretooth Tigers on January 15, 2018, 12:10:15 PM
The number of tons players racked up last year does not make them proven 100+ defenders. What good is hitting the hundred a few times if you score 70 every other week and average in the 80s or 90s?

I would be expecting Hibberd, Houli, Simpson, Savage and Howe to average below 100 again this year. Hurley and Yeo may well join them.
also expecting 90-100 from this group.  preference is to pick a 22 gamer if i can work out which one it will be
Simpson played 512 out of his last 515 games.  ;) something like that anyway
yea NZ my starting def prems are Simmo, Williams and Laird.   Did a write up on simmo some time ago.  Def prems are the only over 30 players worth considering.
Safe 3 picks I think. Not a bad rule either. Will be some exceptions of course but at the moment I reckon I'm using the same rule without realising it. There seems to have been a changing of the guard... GAJ, Pendles and co are questionable picks whilst Danger, Titch, Dusty and others are more desireable options.

Are you sure about Gazza NZ ? According to Danger in today's H/S the little champs is training very well and he would really want to retire on his terms and at the top of his game. The more I think about him the more I want to take the risk. If he is anything like a POD come Rd.1 he is in and screw the byes.

 :)
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: shaker on January 15, 2018, 12:22:22 PM
The number of tons players racked up last year does not make them proven 100+ defenders. What good is hitting the hundred a few times if you score 70 every other week and average in the 80s or 90s?

I would be expecting Hibberd, Houli, Simpson, Savage and Howe to average below 100 again this year. Hurley and Yeo may well join them.
also expecting 90-100 from this group.  preference is to pick a 22 gamer if i can work out which one it will be
Simpson played 512 out of his last 515 games.  ;) something like that anyway
yea NZ my starting def prems are Simmo, Williams and Laird.   Did a write up on simmo some time ago.  Def prems are the only over 30 players worth considering.
Safe 3 picks I think. Not a bad rule either. Will be some exceptions of course but at the moment I reckon I'm using the same rule without realising it. There seems to have been a changing of the guard... GAJ, Pendles and co are questionable picks whilst Danger, Titch, Dusty and others are more desireable options.

Are you sure about Gazza NZ ? According to Danger in today's H/S the little champs is training very well and he would really want to retire on his terms and at the top of his game. The more I think about him the more I want to take the risk. If he is anything like a POD come Rd.1 he is in and screw the byes.

 :)
Only thing with Gaz he has not played any where near a full season since 2013 , he has a R/14 bye like many other guns that will be picked and he is $631K , he should score well but we are yet to see how he will be used think I would rather not start him and see how he is going can't see him being any more expensive than his starting price
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: crowls on January 15, 2018, 03:13:05 PM
The number of tons players racked up last year does not make them proven 100+ defenders. What good is hitting the hundred a few times if you score 70 every other week and average in the 80s or 90s?

I would be expecting Hibberd, Houli, Simpson, Savage and Howe to average below 100 again this year. Hurley and Yeo may well join them.
also expecting 90-100 from this group.  preference is to pick a 22 gamer if i can work out which one it will be
Simpson played 512 out of his last 515 games.  ;) something like that anyway
yea NZ my starting def prems are Simmo, Williams and Laird.   Did a write up on simmo some time ago.  Def prems are the only over 30 players worth considering.
Safe 3 picks I think. Not a bad rule either. Will be some exceptions of course but at the moment I reckon I'm using the same rule without realising it. There seems to have been a changing of the guard... GAJ, Pendles and co are questionable picks whilst Danger, Titch, Dusty and others are more desireable options.

Are you sure about Gazza NZ ? According to Danger in today's H/S the little champs is training very well and he would really want to retire on his terms and at the top of his game. The more I think about him the more I want to take the risk. If he is anything like a POD come Rd.1 he is in and screw the byes.

 :)
Only thing with Gaz he has not played any where near a full season since 2013 , he has a R/14 bye like many other guns that will be picked and he is $631K , he should score well but we are yet to see how he will be used think I would rather not start him and see how he is going can't see him being any more expensive than his starting price
On the contrary shaker I can see GAZ going up in price if he comes out firing.  Given his prep and training this is possibility.   Lots of 2nd 3 upgrades to GAZ.     For me though too many question marks and risks.   Position, reliability, health and ability to stay on the park.   For those that take him and if he gets to round 10 will be a great result.    Alternative reality is 160, 170, 150 % jumps from 15 to 45% of coaches in rounds 3 and 4 then two weeks later 25pts and shoulder injured half way through 1st quarter.   Out for 8 weeks or retires.

Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: shaker on January 15, 2018, 03:54:53 PM
The number of tons players racked up last year does not make them proven 100+ defenders. What good is hitting the hundred a few times if you score 70 every other week and average in the 80s or 90s?

I would be expecting Hibberd, Houli, Simpson, Savage and Howe to average below 100 again this year. Hurley and Yeo may well join them.
also expecting 90-100 from this group.  preference is to pick a 22 gamer if i can work out which one it will be
Simpson played 512 out of his last 515 games.  ;) something like that anyway
yea NZ my starting def prems are Simmo, Williams and Laird.   Did a write up on simmo some time ago.  Def prems are the only over 30 players worth considering.
Safe 3 picks I think. Not a bad rule either. Will be some exceptions of course but at the moment I reckon I'm using the same rule without realising it. There seems to have been a changing of the guard... GAJ, Pendles and co are questionable picks whilst Danger, Titch, Dusty and others are more desireable options.

Are you sure about Gazza NZ ? According to Danger in today's H/S the little champs is training very well and he would really want to retire on his terms and at the top of his game. The more I think about him the more I want to take the risk. If he is anything like a POD come Rd.1 he is in and screw the byes.

 :)
Only thing with Gaz he has not played any where near a full season since 2013 , he has a R/14 bye like many other guns that will be picked and he is $631K , he should score well but we are yet to see how he will be used think I would rather not start him and see how he is going can't see him being any more expensive than his starting price
On the contrary shaker I can see GAZ going up in price if he comes out firing.  Given his prep and training this is possibility.   Lots of 2nd 3 upgrades to GAZ.     For me though too many question marks and risks.   Position, reliability, health and ability to stay on the park.   For those that take him and if he gets to round 10 will be a great result.    Alternative reality is 160, 170, 150 % jumps from 15 to 45% of coaches in rounds 3 and 4 then two weeks later 25pts and shoulder injured half way through 1st quarter.   Out for 8 weeks or retires.


Yep no doubting his scoring past Crowls and agree it's a big expensive risk and he is another year older so no for me as well and we better get back on subject Witherden won't be getting him either he is the opposite to Gaz seen to little of him  ;)
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Money Shot on January 15, 2018, 03:59:51 PM
Who will score more points in 2018, Witherden or Ablett is a good question ;)

for me they will be pretty close ...

17 games at 110 avg is 1,870
22 games at 85 avg is 1,870
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Peter on January 15, 2018, 04:03:59 PM
Use that Round 2 adjusting trade (Martin down to GAJ, for example)
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: shaker on January 15, 2018, 04:09:48 PM
Use that Round 2 adjusting trade (Martin down to GAJ, for example)
You must be good at picking rookies mate I am always scrambling to unload the potato rookies I chose for others ;D
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: quinny88 on January 15, 2018, 04:42:46 PM
Use that Round 2 adjusting trade (Martin down to GAJ, for example)

Even if Martin scored 2 80s to start the year, surely you wouldn't trade him no matter how well Ablett started
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: enzedder on January 15, 2018, 04:47:30 PM
Use that Round 2 adjusting trade (Martin down to GAJ, for example)

Even if Martin scored 2 80s to start the year, surely you wouldn't trade him no matter how well Ablett started
Exactly. Chances are you would miss a 150 from Martin and get a 95 from Ablett and be behind everyone who had one of the two.
Adjusting trades are for the rookies you've missed or stuffed up or a mid pricer whose role is not as it seemed it would be during the pre season and has given you a couple of dud scores.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Peter on January 15, 2018, 07:41:16 PM
I agree, but try and help those poor people who think he is still top 8
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Grufflez on January 16, 2018, 05:11:35 PM
Ablett will be top 8 based on average, i have little doubt.

Won't be on overall points.

Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Peter on January 16, 2018, 09:22:48 PM
That’s having a bob each way. Plays 14 games and top 8 average, but of no value for the other 8. Hard to take
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: crowls on January 16, 2018, 09:36:14 PM
The number of tons players racked up last year does not make them proven 100+ defenders. What good is hitting the hundred a few times if you score 70 every other week and average in the 80s or 90s?

I would be expecting Hibberd, Houli, Simpson, Savage and Howe to average below 100 again this year. Hurley and Yeo may well join them.
also expecting 90-100 from this group.  preference is to pick a 22 gamer if i can work out which one it will be
Simpson played 512 out of his last 515 games.  ;) something like that anyway
yea NZ my starting def prems are Simmo, Williams and Laird.   Did a write up on simmo some time ago.  Def prems are the only over 30 players worth considering.
Safe 3 picks I think. Not a bad rule either. Will be some exceptions of course but at the moment I reckon I'm using the same rule without realising it. There seems to have been a changing of the guard... GAJ, Pendles and co are questionable picks whilst Danger, Titch, Dusty and others are more desireable options.

Are you sure about Gazza NZ ? According to Danger in today's H/S the little champs is training very well and he would really want to retire on his terms and at the top of his game. The more I think about him the more I want to take the risk. If he is anything like a POD come Rd.1 he is in and screw the byes.

 :)
Only thing with Gaz he has not played any where near a full season since 2013 , he has a R/14 bye like many other guns that will be picked and he is $631K , he should score well but we are yet to see how he will be used think I would rather not start him and see how he is going can't see him being any more expensive than his starting price
On the contrary shaker I can see GAZ going up in price if he comes out firing.  Given his prep and training this is possibility.   Lots of 2nd 3 upgrades to GAZ.     For me though too many question marks and risks.   Position, reliability, health and ability to stay on the park.   For those that take him and if he gets to round 10 will be a great result.    Alternative reality is 160, 170, 150 % jumps from 15 to 45% of coaches in rounds 3 and 4 then two weeks later 25pts and shoulder injured half way through 1st quarter.   Out for 8 weeks or retires.


Yep no doubting his scoring past Crowls and agree it's a big expensive risk and he is another year older so no for me as well and we better get back on subject Witherden won't be getting him either he is the opposite to Gaz seen to little of him  ;)
love witherden, and my money stays in the pocket.  not paying top dollar for a 9 game player.  bugger all upside and lots of downside.    probably a d3 in 2019
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Grufflez on January 17, 2018, 09:27:31 PM
That’s having a bob each way. Plays 14 games and top 8 average, but of no value for the other 8. Hard to take

Not if you trade him as soon as he misses. 30 trades is a lot.
The winner from last year had only 7 of his starting selections
remaining at the end, 24 trades was a different story but 30 if used wisely go a long way.

Points are the key, main thing i took away from last years winner.

You need a fairly good injury run to win SC anyway, if your season goes to shower with injures it goes to shower,
no point trying to play it safe, If i am not in the race then whether i come 500th or 50,00th doesn't matter to me.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: crowls on January 18, 2018, 07:40:57 AM
That’s having a bob each way. Plays 14 games and top 8 average, but of no value for the other 8. Hard to take

Not if you trade him as soon as he misses. 30 trades is a lot.
The winner from last year had only 7 of his starting selections
remaining at the end, 24 trades was a different story but 30 if used wisely go a long way.

Points are the key, main thing i took away from last years winner.

You need a fairly good injury run to win SC anyway, if your season goes to shower with injures it goes to shower,
no point trying to play it safe, If i am not in the race then whether i come 500th or 50,00th doesn't matter to me.
Agree Ablett is a start and trade out option.   Could be a great move
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: enzedder on January 18, 2018, 08:48:44 AM
Need to rename this thread to GAJ
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: crowls on January 18, 2018, 10:11:56 AM
Need to rename this thread to GAJ
Witherden is the next ABLETT.........       ;)     If we keep it here maybe nobody will read it and they will all start Ablett and we will shower ourselves if he starts of with 3 x 150+.    Ablett has me conflicted.  Capable of avg 140 for first half of the season or at least until round 10 or byes.     Just a lot of money and cannot see him being a season long keeper.      On the other hand if he gets to 16 games at 125.   Plus 6 rookies at 65.   Yearly total of 2390.   Most people would be very happy with that over a year.


shower I am talking myself into it.  Have to stop now.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: SilverLion on January 18, 2018, 10:26:20 AM
Need to rename this thread to GAJ
:'(
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: enzedder on January 18, 2018, 10:49:06 AM
Need to rename this thread to GAJ
Witherden is the next ABLETT.........       ;)     If we keep it here maybe nobody will read it and they will all start Ablett and we will shower ourselves if he starts of with 3 x 150+.    Ablett has me conflicted.  Capable of avg 140 for first half of the season or at least until round 10 or byes.     Just a lot of money and cannot see him being a season long keeper.      On the other hand if he gets to 16 games at 125.   Plus 6 rookies at 65.   Yearly total of 2390.   Most people would be very happy with that over a year.


shower I am talking myself into it.  Have to stop now.
Danger, Dusty, Fyfe R14 bye starters. GAJ just too risky. Matter of time till he misses with injury IMO. As stated by others 14-16 games could be his whack. So if he's just a no from me, but I understand the interest.

Need to rename this thread to GAJ
:'(

Getting back on topic...
Witherden is $478k and played 9 games. I'll run with others and see how the kid is going when I'm ready to upgrade.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Adamant on January 22, 2018, 04:59:34 PM
His games tally is irrelevant. Anyone that watched him last season would know he is no flash in the pan (you don't fluke 20+ disposals in 7 of your first 9 games). Would have gone top 10 in the draft if it wasn't for a broken leg.

The value down back (particularly in the 300-400k range) is the only reason he's not in my side at the moment. But out of players that averaged 87+ last season I'd say he has the most upside out of all of them, comfortably. He barely had a pre-season last year and wasn't supposed to make an impact.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: quinny88 on January 22, 2018, 11:32:38 PM
His games tally is irrelevant. Anyone that watched him last season would know he is no flash in the pan (you don't fluke 20+ disposals in 7 of your first 9 games). Would have gone top 10 in the draft if it wasn't for a broken leg.

The value down back (particularly in the 300-400k range) is the only reason he's not in my side at the moment. But out of players that averaged 87+ last season I'd say he has the most upside out of all of them, comfortably. He barely had a pre-season last year and wasn't supposed to make an impact.

Can you point out to me who these guys are coz I'm not liking any haha
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: batt on January 23, 2018, 04:18:00 PM
Will be a POD I look at.  His game just seems very dependable.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Grufflez on January 23, 2018, 04:38:21 PM
His games tally is irrelevant. Anyone that watched him last season would know he is no flash in the pan (you don't fluke 20+ disposals in 7 of your first 9 games). Would have gone top 10 in the draft if it wasn't for a broken leg.

The value down back (particularly in the 300-400k range) is the only reason he's not in my side at the moment. But out of players that averaged 87+ last season I'd say he has the most upside out of all of them, comfortably. He barely had a pre-season last year and wasn't supposed to make an impact.

Can you point out to me who these guys are coz I'm not liking any haha

Not sure who these 300k options are but around the 400k mark there is..

McGrath,Sicily,Hanley,Maynard,Mills, Saad,Wilson then at 450k McDonald,Burton,Witherden

So many of these guys could go 90+ this season with more opportunity/better roles or just natural growth.
Now, the challenge.. Good luck picking the right one.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: quinny88 on January 23, 2018, 08:51:20 PM
His games tally is irrelevant. Anyone that watched him last season would know he is no flash in the pan (you don't fluke 20+ disposals in 7 of your first 9 games). Would have gone top 10 in the draft if it wasn't for a broken leg.

The value down back (particularly in the 300-400k range) is the only reason he's not in my side at the moment. But out of players that averaged 87+ last season I'd say he has the most upside out of all of them, comfortably. He barely had a pre-season last year and wasn't supposed to make an impact.

Can you point out to me who these guys are coz I'm not liking any haha

Not sure who these 300k options are but around the 400k mark there is..

McGrath,Sicily,Hanley,Maynard,Mills, Saad,Wilson then at 450k McDonald,Burton,Witherden

So many of these guys could go 90+ this season with more opportunity/better roles or just natural growth.
Now, the challenge.. Good luck picking the right one.

Yeah that's true and some of those guys could do it but when you're paying 400k+ you may as well just pay the extra for a proven premo imo. Under 350k and I don't mind rolling the dice on 1 but I'm not liking any apart from Birchall and he's injured
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: ando_10 on January 25, 2018, 07:31:14 PM
could be the Oliver of 2018 but i doubt it. So its a no if he was cheaper than maybe
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Ringo on January 25, 2018, 09:15:14 PM
If you believe in 2nd year syndrome then he should be a no but countering this, is in the 9 games he played he had 3 scores over 100 and one in the 90s.  Hopefully in one of our JLT matches both Rich and Withers play together so we can see who takes the majority of kick ins as if we revert to Rich this may effect Withers scoring. Withers has adapted to kick in to self quite well so can score highly on that one,
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: batt on January 26, 2018, 12:23:20 PM
In my mind it's not a matter of if, but when he becomes a Docherty type scorer.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: frenzy on January 26, 2018, 02:01:59 PM
In my mind it's not a matter of if, but when he becomes a Docherty type scorer.

I like this ^ thinking and yep, he's a lock hopefully for the next decade.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: meow meow on January 26, 2018, 02:27:08 PM
In my mind it's a matter of when the hard tag comes to him and DESTROYS him. Those cheap kick ins will always help though.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Ringo on January 26, 2018, 02:43:14 PM
In my mind it's a matter of when the hard tag comes to him and DESTROYS him. Those cheap kick ins will always help though.
Bias but with Rich also on HB line tag Withers at your peril. Agree hard tag will hurt him though. Will not be starting Withers though.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: js19 on January 27, 2018, 11:21:04 PM
In my mind it's a matter of when the hard tag comes to him and DESTROYS him. Those cheap kick ins will always help though.
Bias but with Rich also on HB line tag Withers at your peril. Agree hard tag will hurt him though. Will not be starting Withers though.
Agree. Wouldn't waste a tag on him tbh. Could be a good pick up, but I know I'd be so pissed off if he didn't perform, I feel more comfortable with someone a bit more proven
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: SilverLion on January 28, 2018, 09:52:35 AM
In my mind it's a matter of when the hard tag comes to him and DESTROYS him. Those cheap kick ins will always help though.
Yeah agree with Ringo, if anyone down back is getting the tag this year, it'll be Rich.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: GoLions on January 28, 2018, 11:28:00 AM
In my mind it's a matter of when the hard tag comes to him and DESTROYS him. Those cheap kick ins will always help though.
Yeah agree with Ringo, if anyone down back is getting the tag this year, it'll be Rich.
Unless we move Rich back into the midfield. Personally, I hope that doesn't happen though, Rich thrives off half back, and would rather see guys like Matho, Clugg, Keays, etc running through the midfield.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: SilverLion on January 28, 2018, 04:17:45 PM
In my mind it's a matter of when the hard tag comes to him and DESTROYS him. Those cheap kick ins will always help though.
Yeah agree with Ringo, if anyone down back is getting the tag this year, it'll be Rich.
Unless we move Rich back into the midfield. Personally, I hope that doesn't happen though, Rich thrives off half back, and would rather see guys like Matho, Clugg, Keays, etc running through the midfield.
Berry too :P
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: GoLions on January 28, 2018, 04:29:28 PM
In my mind it's a matter of when the hard tag comes to him and DESTROYS him. Those cheap kick ins will always help though.
Yeah agree with Ringo, if anyone down back is getting the tag this year, it'll be Rich.
Unless we move Rich back into the midfield. Personally, I hope that doesn't happen though, Rich thrives off half back, and would rather see guys like Matho, Clugg, Keays, etc running through the midfield.
Berry too :P
I knew i was forgetting someone, but he was playing mostly mids already anyway haha
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Southstorm on January 28, 2018, 07:22:25 PM
It feels like people picking this kid are chasing last year's price increase. Betting that he's top 6 material is risky given his lack of exposed form and given he's $470k, it's an expensive bet as well.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: quinny88 on January 29, 2018, 12:44:38 AM
I honestly can't believe there's such a big discussion and so many people considering him  :o
Personally I think he will be lucky to average 80. If he does happen to average 90+ then just get him as an upgrade? It's not like he's at a bargain price so it's now or never. Seems all risk with very little reward.

Reminds me of when a lot of people were getting Kade Kolodjashnij. Think he atleast was going into his 3rd year though and had played 40 odd games. Still, didn't end well
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: shaker on January 29, 2018, 08:27:09 AM
I honestly can't believe there's such a big discussion and so many people considering him  :o
Personally I think he will be lucky to average 80. If he does happen to average 90+ then just get him as an upgrade? It's not like he's at a bargain price so it's now or never. Seems all risk with very little reward.

Reminds me of when a lot of people were getting Kade Kolodjashnij. Think he atleast was going into his 3rd year though and had played 40 odd games. Still, didn't end well
Well summed up Q
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: LordSneeze on January 29, 2018, 03:19:02 PM
I honestly can't believe there's such a big discussion and so many people considering him  :o
Personally I think he will be lucky to average 80. If he does happen to average 90+ then just get him as an upgrade? It's not like he's at a bargain price so it's now or never. Seems all risk with very little reward.

Reminds me of when a lot of people were getting Kade Kolodjashnij. Think he atleast was going into his 3rd year though and had played 40 odd games. Still, didn't end well

Nailed it.
Risk not worth the reward.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Gigantor on March 03, 2018, 07:49:36 PM
38 SC from 83% TOG, only 58% DE

Second year blues kicking in early?
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Ringo on March 03, 2018, 07:51:54 PM
38 SC from 83% TOG, only 58% DE

Second year blues kicking in early?
We were all Sh**t today with D/E so do not write a lot into this game. Concern though if no improvement next game against suns.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Nige on March 03, 2018, 08:56:58 PM
38 SC from 83% TOG, only 58% DE

Second year blues kicking in early?
7 clangers definitely isn't desirable, I'm happy to back him in to bounce back.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: quinny88 on March 03, 2018, 09:03:40 PM
38 SC from 83% TOG, only 58% DE

Second year blues kicking in early?
7 clangers definitely isn't desirable, I'm happy to back him in to bounce back.

Tried to go for some really bullet kicks and butchered it nearly every time. Needs to keep it simple
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Bully on March 03, 2018, 09:09:23 PM
38 SC from 83% TOG, only 58% DE

Second year blues kicking in early?
7 clangers definitely isn't desirable, I'm happy to back him in to bounce back.

Tried to go for some really bullet kicks and butchered it nearly every time. Needs to keep it simple

One kick was absolutely horrid, 10 metres straight to 2 Swans. In any case you can't possibly pick a 9 gamer at that price.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: eaglesman on March 03, 2018, 09:22:19 PM
You couldn’t possibly pick this bloke if you watched his game today. Would have been an embarrassment on an aflw field
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Menzel Washington on March 03, 2018, 09:54:12 PM
Bradd Dalziell is a good example of why not to pick someone who has played less than 10 games but is priced highly...

In 2008 Dalziell made his debut for the Lions, playing the last 7 games of the season. During that time he averaged 92, with 4 hundreds. There was talk he was going to be the next big fantasy gun.

The following year only played 8 games, averaging 73. Never did end up a gun, or even an above average player.

So best to be wary when picking someone with limited game time...
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Nige on March 03, 2018, 09:56:18 PM
All these experts judging a premo off one JLT game, smh. /s
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 03, 2018, 10:00:35 PM
All these experts judging a premo off one JLT game, smh. /s

Haha :P
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Ringo on March 03, 2018, 10:13:12 PM
All these experts judging a premo off one JLT game, smh. /s

Haha :P
Hard to say oremo after 9 games though.  Definite signs of second year blues today but hopefully all gone now.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: SilverLion on March 03, 2018, 10:13:17 PM
Yay he's now undoubtably a PoD.

Why couldn't Coniglio do this too
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: GoLions on March 03, 2018, 10:18:33 PM
All these experts judging a premo off one JLT game, smh. /s

Haha :P
Hard to say oremo after 9 games though.  Definite signs of second year blues today but hopefully all gone now.
Yeah i wouldn't call him an oremo yet either tbqh
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Adamant on March 03, 2018, 10:21:01 PM
Bradd Dalziell is a good example of why not to pick someone who has played less than 10 games but is priced highly...

In 2008 Dalziell made his debut for the Lions, playing the last 7 games of the season. During that time he averaged 92, with 4 hundreds. There was talk he was going to be the next big fantasy gun.

The following year only played 8 games, averaging 73. Never did end up a gun, or even an above average player.

So best to be wary when picking someone with limited game time...

Dalziell is a horrible comparison. The bloke was a mature-age, pick 50 odd nobody with his only elite attribute being that he was a good endurance runner. He was never going to be anything more than a role player. Witherden would have been a top 10 draft pick had he not broken his leg and missed almost the entirety of his draft year.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: eaglesman on March 04, 2018, 03:31:11 PM
I hope a huge % pick this bloke cos then a huge % are already stuffed
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: ubeaut on March 04, 2018, 03:46:30 PM
I hope a huge % pick this bloke cos then a huge % are already stuffed
Yeah possibly. The risk far outweighs the reward at 470k.
If he proves doubters wrong and goes 95+ he won't cost much more to get in.
Anything less than 90 is not worth it.
With Hodge down back and/or Rich when Hodge is rested how many points can these rebounders share?
Brisbane a bottom 4 side and Zorko,Beams,Rich and Stef getting the highest scores hard to see him getting 95.
9 games is just too small a sample size. If he flops and loses money he becomes a liability very quickly and a must upgrade when you'd rather be upgrading your mids.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: SilverLion on March 04, 2018, 04:03:10 PM
I hope a huge % pick this bloke cos then a huge % are already stuffed
Yeah possibly. The risk far outweighs the reward at 470k.
If he proves doubters wrong and goes 95+ he won't cost much more to get in.
Anything less than 90 is not worth it.
With Hodge down back and/or Rich when Hodge is rested how many points can these rebounders share?
Brisbane a bottom 4 side and Zorko,Beams,Rich and Stef getting the highest scores hard to see him getting 95.
9 games is just too small a sample size. If he flops and loses money he becomes a liability very quickly and a must upgrade when you'd rather be upgrading your mids.
I'm pretty sure Doch and Simmo shared the points around over the last 2 seasons, and Carlton ain't that much better than us  :P
Rich+Witherden are the primary rebounders.
Hodge can and will also, but not his main role I'd say.
Mayes won't impact them SC wise.
Cutler fringe best 22.

I dunno, I see multiple sides across the comp with 2 rebounders, both of which are SC relevant/semi-relevant:
Carlton - Doch (not this year though obviously) and Simmo
Adelaide - Smith ("") and Laird
St. Kilda - Roberton and Savage
Richmond - Ellis and Houli
Sydney - Lloyd and McVeigh
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: batt on March 04, 2018, 07:44:20 PM
Yay he's now undoubtably a PoD.

Why couldn't Coniglio do this too
Bahaha I feel your pain.  Sicily, Cogs, Buddy all played too well.  Thankfully I have a few PODs left.

Witherden hasn't been in my team for a few weeks but I still haven't ruled him out based on what I saw on the back end of last season.  Although I may have an even bigger POD who is taking his spot right now.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: SilverLion on April 15, 2018, 10:02:13 AM
WitherGOAT 8)

89, 77, 91, 103 to start the year. No worse than Lloyd or Hibberd really.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Torpedo10 on April 15, 2018, 10:05:00 AM
Absolute jet, but I went for a 2 premium backline anyway so not too disappointed.

Just need Heater to lift.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Nige on April 15, 2018, 10:55:57 AM
WitherGOAT 8)

89, 77, 91, 103 to start the year. No worse than Lloyd or Hibberd really.
More than happy with this return so far.

If only the McGrath pick had work out this well.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: SilverLion on April 29, 2018, 09:21:41 AM
This bloke is an absolute star.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Torpedo10 on April 29, 2018, 10:14:01 AM
This bloke is an absolute star.
This.

Should've gone with my gut to start him. Will be in my side by seasons end.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: SilverLion on April 29, 2018, 10:37:56 AM
This bloke is an absolute star.
This.

Should've gone with my gut to start him. Will be in my side by seasons end.
That's it, I'm bringing him in this week for Billings 8)
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: sammy123 on April 29, 2018, 10:18:08 PM
looking like a solid 90-100 av defender not bad
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: SilverLion on May 17, 2018, 09:11:16 AM
If he gets around 80-100 this week I'll be bringing him in next week. Should be around 400k with only one score sub 77.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: ubeaut on May 17, 2018, 09:19:18 AM
Why would u trade in someone who's only averaging 87? Does he have an injury affected score?
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: SilverLion on May 17, 2018, 09:21:44 AM
Why would u trade in someone who's only averaging 87? Does he have an injury affected score?
Bit like Yeo was a few weeks ago, one anomaly of 43. Will be my D6.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: MontyJnr on May 17, 2018, 09:26:31 AM
Won't be a Top 8 defender.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: ubeaut on May 17, 2018, 09:31:19 AM
Won't be a Top 8 defender.
Tend to agree. What's to say he doesn't drop another 40? We don't have enough sample size to say it'd an annamoly.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: SilverLion on May 17, 2018, 09:45:51 AM
Won't be a Top 8 defender.
Tend to agree. What's to say he doesn't drop another 40? We don't have enough sample size to say it'd an annamoly.
Maybe. But it's his only sub 70 game for his career. (69 once last year, but didn't play most of the last quarter due to injury).

Aside from Laird, Yeo, Hurley and Simpson I would say he is as good a chance to be top 8 as anyone.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Adamant on May 17, 2018, 10:20:56 AM
He still had 17 touches and 9 marks for that 43 so it's not like he had an absolute mare or anything either. He just had 0 contested possessions and didn't register a stat in the last 5 minutes when the game was on the line, causing him to lose points at a rapid rate.

420k for a defender that will give you 80-100 just about every week isn't too shabby. Loves a good 40pt last quarter too - always junks up to a respectable score no matter how poorly he's going.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: Ringo on May 17, 2018, 12:59:27 PM
As a Lions supporter I would actually go Andrews over Witherden if looking this week only 2k difference in price Andrews with a B/E 85 compared to Witherdesn 145.   Andrews seems to have shaken off his slow start and averaging 88 (100 from last 5) which I would take from a D6,
Witherden does not appear to be taking as many kick ins as last season as well which reduces his scoring.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: MontyJnr on May 17, 2018, 04:01:33 PM
Maybe. But it's his only sub 70 game for his career. (69 once last year, but didn't play most of the last quarter due to injury).

Aside from Laird, Yeo, Hurley and Simpson I would say he is as good a chance to be top 8 as anyone.

Yeah personally I think Sicily, Howe, Hurn, Lloyd, Rance, Webster, Tom McDonald & Shaw will all average more than him as well, so that places him at about D13 for mine.

Too much risk at this stage of the season that he will be way off the standard. We need a bigger sample size.
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: RoughRed on May 18, 2018, 01:21:54 PM
Maybe. But it's his only sub 70 game for his career. (69 once last year, but didn't play most of the last quarter due to injury).

Aside from Laird, Yeo, Hurley and Simpson I would say he is as good a chance to be top 8 as anyone.

Yeah personally I think Sicily, Howe, Hurn, Lloyd, Rance, Webster, Tom McDonald & Shaw will all average more than him as well, so that places him at about D13 for mine.

Too much risk at this stage of the season that he will be way off the standard. We need a bigger sample size.
+1 on the 8 mentioned - really like the look of Tom McDonald too!
Title: Re: Alex Witherden
Post by: SilverLion on May 18, 2018, 01:47:19 PM
Maybe. But it's his only sub 70 game for his career. (69 once last year, but didn't play most of the last quarter due to injury).

Aside from Laird, Yeo, Hurley and Simpson I would say he is as good a chance to be top 8 as anyone.

Yeah personally I think Sicily, Howe, Hurn, Lloyd, Rance, Webster, Tom McDonald & Shaw will all average more than him as well, so that places him at about D13 for mine.

Too much risk at this stage of the season that he will be way off the standard. We need a bigger sample size.
+1 on the 8 mentioned - really like the look of Tom McDonald too!
I'm putting Sicily forward ;)

Don't want Webster and Savage or Yeo and Hurn, and would probably put Lloyd, Shaw, Rance about the same as him. Maybe Howe and Tmac higher, maybe.

That's just my opinion of course, can see why others wouldn't pick him.