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Title: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on November 22, 2018, 09:37:07 PM
First round done and dusted, Who are the guys to get next year so far?

Definitely won't be bothering with any of the KPP rookies that were picked top 10 and will be expensive.

Liam stocker is the lock for me so far. Wanted him at Richmond but at Carlton makes him a lock in my SC team with his ready made body.

Who else do you like for a start from round 1?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on November 22, 2018, 10:10:04 PM
I know ya said you won't be picking the KPPs but I reckon Lukosius won't be a bad pick. he should play all over the ground taking marks everywhere. expensive though so that's gotta be taken into account
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on November 22, 2018, 10:28:41 PM
I know ya said you won't be picking the KPPs but I reckon Lukosius won't be a bad pick. he should play all over the ground taking marks everywhere. expensive though so that's gotta be taken into account

It just makes it an easy decision for me not to go there when there will be mids available for 100k cheaper
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on November 22, 2018, 10:29:15 PM
Definitely not touching any of the expensive rookies, and with this particular draft I reckon we should have enough cheap rookies to chose from

Jackson Hately (MID) went at Pick 14, which means he should be approx 144k and at that price he's a lock if he lines up R1. Everyone from Pick 15 on will be cheap, and these are the guys I would think are chances of potentially playing early next year

Liam Stocker (MID)
Jordan Clark (DEF)
Xavier Duursma (DEF/MID)
Ely Smith (MID)
Ian Hill (MID/FWD)
Rhylee West (MID)
Connor McFayden (MID/FWD)
Luke Valente (MID)

That's just a few - there will be players picked later, plus I'm sure a few from the rookie/PSD draft aka 102k players might pop up too

Might be jumping the gun, but GnR could be a real option next year, for the first time in years
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on November 22, 2018, 11:34:56 PM
Definitely not touching any of the expensive rookies, and with this particular draft I reckon we should have enough cheap rookies to chose from

Jackson Hately (MID) went at Pick 14, which means he should be approx 144k and at that price he's a lock if he lines up R1. Everyone from Pick 15 on will be cheap, and these are the guys I would think are chances of potentially playing early next year

Liam Stocker (MID)
Jordan Clark (DEF)
Xavier Duursma (DEF/MID)
Ely Smith (MID)
Ian Hill (MID/FWD)
Rhylee West (MID)
Connor McFayden (MID/FWD)
Luke Valente (MID)

That's just a few - there will be players picked later, plus I'm sure a few from the rookie/PSD draft aka 102k players might pop up too

Might be jumping the gun, but GnR could be a real option next year, for the first time in years


GnR definitely looking a real possibility.
Consider the guys already picked up before tonight too and returning from injury

S.Collins (GC)
J.Scrimshaw (Haw)
T.Williamson (Car)
H.Wigg (GC)
W.Setterfield (Car)
C.Burgess (GC)
J.Corbett (GC)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: shaker on November 23, 2018, 04:01:00 PM
A bit early for me to be picking rookies  ;D but the cheaper ones seem to be the way to go , players like Ellis and Miles going to the GC might be better value than the expensive first year guys but till prices are out you're probably better off just having a beer for now  ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Koop on November 23, 2018, 04:16:43 PM
15 mature-agers picked up in the draft. We could be blessed for options come Round 1!
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Sabretooth Tigers on December 07, 2018, 04:13:19 PM
A bit early for me to be picking rookies  ;D but the cheaper ones seem to be the way to go , players like Ellis and Miles going to the GC might be better value than the expensive first year guys but till prices are out you're probably better off just having a beer for now  ;)

Very interested in seeing Team Picker for price and position of Corey Ellis, and also extremely interested in that beer you mentioned. Cheers.

 ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: sammy123 on December 12, 2018, 12:22:13 AM
Adelaide's 1st pick chayce jones is a gun. Seen him play before
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on December 13, 2018, 03:53:17 PM
Harley Bennell, $167,700 mid. Could he possibly not be a turd and play some footy?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ringo on December 13, 2018, 06:04:59 PM
A bit early for me to be picking rookies  ;D but the cheaper ones seem to be the way to go , players like Ellis and Miles going to the GC might be better value than the expensive first year guys but till prices are out you're probably better off just having a beer for now  ;)

Very interested in seeing Team Picker for price and position of Corey Ellis, and also extremely interested in that beer you mentioned. Cheers.

 ;)
In case you missed prices Ellis is Def/MId at 233k So could be a nice pick up.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on December 13, 2018, 09:34:17 PM
Harley Bennell, $167,700 mid. Could he possibly not be a turd and play some footy?

M9 loophole for the season?  :P
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on December 23, 2018, 09:59:09 AM
I'm finding F4 to be quite a difficult position to fill, especially due to the fact that I've put a line through Greene for now

I really despise starting expensive rookies, but at this stage I think Rozee and Burgess are strong chances to line up Round 1, so I'm thinking Rozee F4 and Burgess down back could be a nice play, as they both have DEF/FWD DPP and can be switched between the two spots

Rozee F4 Setterfield F5 does have a reliable feel to it

Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on December 23, 2018, 10:19:10 AM
I'm finding F4 to be quite a difficult position to fill, especially due to the fact that I've put a line through Greene for now

I really despise starting expensive rookies, but at this stage I think Rozee and Burgess are strong chances to line up Round 1, so I'm thinking Rozee F4 and Burgess down back could be a nice play, as they both have DEF/FWD DPP and can be switched between the two spots

Rozee F4 Setterfield F5 does have a reliable feel to it

Thoughts?
Depends who you have F6-8 haha. I'm sticking with Toby for now. Will make a decision early next year on him.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Nige on December 23, 2018, 10:30:03 AM
Anyone expecting Burgess to line up Round 1 is gonna have a bad time.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on December 23, 2018, 11:45:57 AM
Anyone expecting Burgess to line up Round 1 is gonna have a bad time.

He's not a lock by any means, but he's certainly a chance, just as much as most of the other cheap defender options available atm
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on December 23, 2018, 12:49:19 PM
Speaking of defensive rookies

I reckon we could be left with slim pickings come Rd1. I'm really struggling to see what def rookies are actually a chance of playing

Might be forced to go deep down back, or look at some risky mid pricers  :-\

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ricochet on December 23, 2018, 04:20:28 PM
Speaking of defensive rookies

I reckon we could be left with slim pickings come Rd1. I'm really struggling to see what def rookies are actually a chance of playing

Might be forced to go deep down back, or look at some risky mid pricers  :-\
Absolutely no point worrying about it now mate. Teams have injuries and unknown rookies have huge preseasons and jump into contention.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: crowls on December 23, 2018, 09:40:18 PM
Speaking of defensive rookies

I reckon we could be left with slim pickings come Rd1. I'm really struggling to see what def rookies are actually a chance of playing

Might be forced to go deep down back, or look at some risky mid pricers  :-\
Absolutely no point worrying about it now mate. Teams have injuries and unknown rookies have huge preseasons and jump into contention.
exactamundo
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 01, 2019, 03:25:34 PM
He's not a rookie, but priced liked one

This guy must be so sh!t when it comes to handling alcohol lmao



Troubled Fremantle midfielder Harley Bennell’s future hangs in the balance after another alcohol-fuelled indiscretion.

The West Australian has reported Bennell was asked to leave a Cottesloe hotel on Sunday for being too intoxicated.

Fremantle confirmed the incident, which occurred at the Ocean Beach Hotel just after 7pm.

“The club is aware that Harley Bennell was asked to leave a licensed venue in Cottesloe on Sunday and complied with the request to do so,” Dockers general manager of football Peter Bell told the West Australian.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Sabretooth Tigers on January 01, 2019, 03:58:41 PM
He's not a rookie, but priced liked one

This guy must be so sh!t when it comes to handling alcohol lmao



Troubled Fremantle midfielder Harley Bennell’s future hangs in the balance after another alcohol-fuelled indiscretion.

The West Australian has reported Bennell was asked to leave a Cottesloe hotel on Sunday for being too intoxicated.

Fremantle confirmed the incident, which occurred at the Ocean Beach Hotel just after 7pm.

“The club is aware that Harley Bennell was asked to leave a licensed venue in Cottesloe on Sunday and complied with the request to do so,” Dockers general manager of football Peter Bell told the West Australian.

Really believed that Bennell could be anything, what a helluva waste of talent. Reckon he's gone this time. Would still love to see him at his best but the gate may be  already shut,
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: shaker on January 01, 2019, 05:47:18 PM
He's not a rookie, but priced liked one

This guy must be so sh!t when it comes to handling alcohol lmao



Troubled Fremantle midfielder Harley Bennell’s future hangs in the balance after another alcohol-fuelled indiscretion.

The West Australian has reported Bennell was asked to leave a Cottesloe hotel on Sunday for being too intoxicated.

Fremantle confirmed the incident, which occurred at the Ocean Beach Hotel just after 7pm.

“The club is aware that Harley Bennell was asked to leave a licensed venue in Cottesloe on Sunday and complied with the request to do so,” Dockers general manager of football Peter Bell told the West Australian.

Really believed that Bennell could be anything, what a helluva waste of talent. Reckon he's gone this time. Would still love to see him at his best but the gate may be  already shut,
Yep think Harley will be free to get on the piss every night now  :D
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: crowls on January 01, 2019, 06:37:51 PM
ffs,  putting aside never seeing Harley Bennell perform in SC it is very sad to view the self destruction of a bloke.  Life is hard and from my experience we make it harder on ourselves most of the time.   

Harley Bennell is not even a Ben Cousins he is a possibility of a Ben Cousins that never started.    Was reading today Ben Hayes discussing the issues with So Si Bon and what has been tried.    They feel they might have finally found a way to get to him to race consistently,  unfortunately it included gelding.  Pretty sure that will not be allowed with footy players.   

On the bright side, we can send Harley to Dave and Ben Hayes and he can play for Echuca?  :)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: bowyanger on January 02, 2019, 08:01:49 AM
Ive been kicked out of pubs for being too "intoxicated" after only having 4 beers and feeling totally sober but just being guilty of having fun

Some bouncers are moronic power trippers...

The media I can read of the incident does not say he did anything wrong and if this sort of rubbish was around 20 years ago then many high profile players like Modra & Barnes would not have played much footy at all after the shennanigans I used to see them get up to


Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ringo on January 02, 2019, 09:10:34 AM
For heavens sake Bennell was only asked to leave the hotel because he was intoxicated and he compled without arguing according to media reports.

Admittedly he has issues but surely this is not enough to warrant the current crucifixion. As bowyanger says how many players in previous years would have played if put under the same microscope.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: crowls on January 02, 2019, 01:15:47 PM
For heavens sake Bennell was only asked to leave the hotel because he was intoxicated and he compled without arguing according to media reports.

Admittedly he has issues but surely this is not enough to warrant the current crucifixion. As bowyanger says how many players in previous years would have played if put under the same microscope.
Agree whole heartedly,  just another example of our PC culture.  Difference to being boozed and socializing.   Also it can be easier and harder when you are well known.       My impression was he was well sozzled and i apoligise to him if it was otherwise.   Would love to see Harley get a full year of football in to see what he can offer Freo.   Would be a great pickup for their midfield if he does.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: jvalles69 on January 02, 2019, 01:24:52 PM
For heavens sake Bennell was only asked to leave the hotel because he was intoxicated and he compled without arguing according to media reports.

Admittedly he has issues but surely this is not enough to warrant the current crucifixion. As bowyanger says how many players in previous years would have played if put under the same microscope.

I give him no benefit of the doubt, I know a lot of people from the Mandurah/Peel community and the powers that be down there turned a blind eye to the constant discretion's he made from childhood up to teenage years due to his "talent".  Absolute blight on society.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on January 03, 2019, 09:23:03 PM
In most cases I would say there's probably nothing in it but this guy is a repeat offender and gets no benefit of the doubt when he's on chance number 5000.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on January 26, 2019, 05:31:59 PM
Speaking of defensive rookies

I reckon we could be left with slim pickings come Rd1. I'm really struggling to see what def rookies are actually a chance of playing

Might be forced to go deep down back, or look at some risky mid pricers  :-\

Rozee looks the goods but is pricey, McLennan is a plug & play & perhaps Collins to replace May. Rookies won't be cheap however so there will need to be some compromises. Birchall a must if he plays round 1.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Southstorm on January 26, 2019, 08:25:16 PM
Speaking of defensive rookies

I reckon we could be left with slim pickings come Rd1. I'm really struggling to see what def rookies are actually a chance of playing

Might be forced to go deep down back, or look at some risky mid pricers  :-\

Rozee looks the goods but is pricey, McLennan is a plug & play & perhaps Collins to replace May. Rookies won't be cheap however so there will need to be some compromises. Birchall a must if he plays round 1.
Ben McKay should also line up Rd. 1. Won't be a high scorer but with Daw out he's in the box seat to play every game. 
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 26, 2019, 08:49:01 PM
Speaking of defensive rookies

I reckon we could be left with slim pickings come Rd1. I'm really struggling to see what def rookies are actually a chance of playing

Might be forced to go deep down back, or look at some risky mid pricers  :-\

Rozee looks the goods but is pricey, McLennan is a plug & play & perhaps Collins to replace May. Rookies won't be cheap however so there will need to be some compromises. Birchall a must if he plays round 1.

Agree that Rozee is very likely to start, but his price is the turn off, especially if he puts up sub 70 scores and turns into a very slow burn, but his JS is certainly appealing

Other than him, Collins is the only def rookie I'm convinced on

Williamson, Goddard, Logue, Quaynor, Scrimshaw are the pricier options and I don't think any of them will play Round 1, and even if they do I can't see any of them scoring well

Marty Hore and Wigg seem to be very popular place holders at the moment, but Hore would have to be ZERO chance of playing unless May or Lever go down, and Wigg was out all last year or close to it, so again I'm not holding my breathe that he walks up R1

One of McLennan/Burgess would also be an outside chance for GC, but 50/50 at best

Birchall is essentially a rookie at that price, so just treat him as a rookie. If he gets named we just have to pick him because he'll have the best JS of any rookie, and if he does in fact get injured well then it's an easy correction trade to a cheaper rookie

We'll find out more over the JLT, but as of now I'm thinking we need to go deep down back, and by all reports Roberton is looking good and will be very important to the Saints def setup and with his proven history I'm looking at Roberton at D4, Birchall D5 (Rozee if he's not fit) and Collins at D6, and then I'll just take the 2 best looking cheap rookies to fill the bench
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on January 26, 2019, 09:32:03 PM
Speaking of defensive rookies

I reckon we could be left with slim pickings come Rd1. I'm really struggling to see what def rookies are actually a chance of playing

Might be forced to go deep down back, or look at some risky mid pricers  :-\

Rozee looks the goods but is pricey, McLennan is a plug & play & perhaps Collins to replace May. Rookies won't be cheap however so there will need to be some compromises. Birchall a must if he plays round 1.

Agree that Rozee is very likely to start, but his price is the turn off, especially if he puts up sub 70 scores and turns into a very slow burn, but his JS is certainly appealing

Other than him, Collins is the only def rookie I'm convinced on

Williamson, Goddard, Logue, Quaynor, Scrimshaw are the pricier options and I don't think any of them will play Round 1, and even if they do I can't see any of them scoring well

Marty Hore and Wigg seem to be very popular place holders at the moment, but Hore would have to be ZERO chance of playing unless May or Lever go down, and Wigg was out all last year or close to it, so again I'm not holding my breathe that he walks up R1

One of McLennan/Burgess would also be an outside chance for GC, but 50/50 at best

Birchall is essentially a rookie at that price, so just treat him as a rookie. If he gets named we just have to pick him because he'll have the best JS of any rookie, and if he does in fact get injured well then it's an easy correction trade to a cheaper rookie

We'll find out more over the JLT, but as of now I'm thinking we need to go deep down back, and by all reports Roberton is looking good and will be very important to the Saints def setup and with his proven history I'm looking at Roberton at D4, Birchall D5 (Rozee if he's not fit) and Collins at D6, and then I'll just take the 2 best looking cheap rookies to fill the bench

Hadn't considered Roberton but fair shout, could be an excellent option. So possibly Roberton at D3, Z,Williams at D4. Must admit I hate overlooking Simpson but at 570k I just can't do it.

As for McLennan, I'm a bit more confident given GC traded up to get him in the draft. He's the type you build a defense around.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: shaker on January 27, 2019, 05:40:52 AM
Rozee is looking the goods at training but he is a very slight build so that could hold him back , Nick Hind for the Saints is impressing with his speed and looks a cheap mid option.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Peter on January 27, 2019, 06:12:18 AM
Ellis for GC must be a chance (ex Richmond)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 27, 2019, 08:07:57 AM
Rozee is looking the goods at training but he is a very slight build so that could hold him back , Nick Hind for the Saints is impressing with his speed and looks a cheap mid option.

Nick Hind and Brett Bewley are the two cheap matured aged mid locks at this stage. I think they're both going to play Round 1

Ellis for GC must be a chance (ex Richmond)

His SC numbers in the VFL were huge, but each time he stepped up to AFL he couldn't get going. He's an option for sure, but I think he's just a tad too costly considering the other options we have

Hadn't considered Roberton but fair shout, could be an excellent option. So possibly Roberton at D3, Z,Williams at D4. Must admit I hate overlooking Simpson but at 570k I just can't do it.

As for McLennan, I'm a bit more confident given GC traded up to get him in the draft. He's the type you build a defense around.

Williams at D3 and Roberton at D4, with Birch/Collins filling out the line is looking likely for me

There's a lot of value down back this year, but picking the right one is always the hard part. Brodie Smith at 332k is appealing to a lot of people, but he's only really ever had 1 prem season so he's a pass for me, and Robbo being cheaper at 297k and having a more proven prem history makes him the clear choice imo.

I think Hanley is a smokey too, but he's recent history makes it very hard to pick him but I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be a good starting pick/stepping stone

Even guys like Connor Blakely at 460k are super tempting to start too. Like you I want to start Simmo because he's just so proven and you know he's set and forget, but 570k is a lot, hence the appeal of something like Blakely + 110k

Back on topic, as for rookies like I've said Collins and one of McLennan/Burgess are the only def rookies I'm liking at this stage

We should be able to comfortably pick 6+ good mid rookies, and I think Corbett, Cavara, Setters and Parker are all good place holders for the forward line. I read yesterday that McAdam needs to work on his tank, so probably not looking like a likely R1 option possibly




Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: ubeaut on January 27, 2019, 09:24:05 AM
Speaking of defensive rookies

I reckon we could be left with slim pickings come Rd1. I'm really struggling to see what def rookies are actually a chance of playing

Might be forced to go deep down back, or look at some risky mid pricers  :-\

Rozee looks the goods but is pricey, McLennan is a plug & play & perhaps Collins to replace May. Rookies won't be cheap however so there will need to be some compromises. Birchall a must if he plays round 1.

Agree that Rozee is very likely to start, but his price is the turn off, especially if he puts up sub 70 scores and turns into a very slow burn, but his JS is certainly appealing

Other than him, Collins is the only def rookie I'm convinced on

Williamson, Goddard, Logue, Quaynor, Scrimshaw are the pricier options and I don't think any of them will play Round 1, and even if they do I can't see any of them scoring well

Marty Hore and Wigg seem to be very popular place holders at the moment, but Hore would have to be ZERO chance of playing unless May or Lever go down, and Wigg was out all last year or close to it, so again I'm not holding my breathe that he walks up R1

One of McLennan/Burgess would also be an outside chance for GC, but 50/50 at best

Birchall is essentially a rookie at that price, so just treat him as a rookie. If he gets named we just have to pick him because he'll have the best JS of any rookie, and if he does in fact get injured well then it's an easy correction trade to a cheaper rookie

We'll find out more over the JLT, but as of now I'm thinking we need to go deep down back, and by all reports Roberton is looking good and will be very important to the Saints def setup and with his proven history I'm looking at Roberton at D4, Birchall D5 (Rozee if he's not fit) and Collins at D6, and then I'll just take the 2 best looking cheap rookies to fill the bench
Logue is looking likely for round 1.
Lever is injured and is not expected back until mid season so Hore is a fair chance too.
As for Roberton, Carlisle and Austin are battling back and groin issues respectively, so he's far from a sure thing to play a loose rebounding role. Josh Battle is being trialled in defence so that may help him.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 27, 2019, 11:41:47 AM
Logue is looking likely for round 1.
Lever is injured and is not expected back until mid season so Hore is a fair chance too.
As for Roberton, Carlisle and Austin are battling back and groin issues respectively, so he's far from a sure thing to play a loose rebounding role. Josh Battle is being trialled in defence so that may help him.

My bad re Lever - I guess that makes Hore a chance to take a bench spot. Like I've said, just because a player gets named to play that isn't good enough - I don't want spud rookies who can't score, and last I check Hore's SC numbers in the VFL were not great, so at best he'd be my D7/8

As for Roberton, I'm not worried about a few teammates battling niggles. At 297k he's insanely cheap for what he is capable of scoring. Absolute worst case scenario he needs to be upgraded, which is completely fine and worth the shot at that price

Either way, I'm not expecting much good def rookies at all
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Big Mac on January 27, 2019, 12:18:08 PM
Hore no chance imo, will bide his time in the VFL
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 27, 2019, 12:56:36 PM
Hore no chance imo, will bide his time in the VFL

Pretty much what I've been saying/expect to happen too

Dees are pushing for a flag. When one guy goes out (Lever) there's generally a few guys in reserve, before someone who was just drafted gets the nod

Guys like Frost, Joel Smith etc would be ahead of him you'd think

Any Saints fans got an inside scoop on Wilkie? Is he a fair chance to crack into the 22 and play Round 1?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on January 27, 2019, 01:08:41 PM
So Wiliamson has been running laps only at the moment. Put a line through him for round 1. No chance he comes in with Newman in the mix. Interestingly enough Marchbank has also been limited to laps and Jones has broken his hand. I'd say Jones will be ready for round 1 but it could open up the door for Goddard.

Oh, and Levi has been training with the defenders. We have a ton of KPD's but they are all injured or returning from long term injuries.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on January 27, 2019, 01:16:59 PM
Rozee is looking the goods at training but he is a very slight build so that could hold him back , Nick Hind for the Saints is impressing with his speed and looks a cheap mid option.

Nick Hind and Brett Bewley are the two cheap matured aged mid locks at this stage. I think they're both going to play Round 1

Ellis for GC must be a chance (ex Richmond)

His SC numbers in the VFL were huge, but each time he stepped up to AFL he couldn't get going. He's an option for sure, but I think he's just a tad too costly considering the other options we have

Hadn't considered Roberton but fair shout, could be an excellent option. So possibly Roberton at D3, Z,Williams at D4. Must admit I hate overlooking Simpson but at 570k I just can't do it.

As for McLennan, I'm a bit more confident given GC traded up to get him in the draft. He's the type you build a defense around.

There's a lot of value down back this year, but picking the right one is always the hard part. Brodie Smith at 332k is appealing to a lot of people, but he's only really ever had 1 prem season so he's a pass for me, and Robbo being cheaper at 297k and having a more proven prem history makes him the clear choice imo.

Numbers say otherwise. Roberton has had 2 seasons of 90+ but every other season has been sub 76.

Smith has had one season of 90+ (which was better than any Roberton has had) and 2 more above 80 (although one was off 2 games last year). The rest have been sub 76. They're essentially a wash.

The major difference with Roberton is that Jimmy Webster has now taken that rebounding/intercept role while he was injured and did it pretty well. They now have to get both of these guys to play cohesively.

I also want to check out the kickin numbers for 2017. I am curious to see where Smith ranks for the Crows.

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 27, 2019, 06:07:16 PM
Numbers say otherwise. Roberton has had 2 seasons of 90+ but every other season has been sub 76.

Smith has had one season of 90+ (which was better than any Roberton has had) and 2 more above 80 (although one was off 2 games last year). The rest have been sub 76. They're essentially a wash.

The major difference with Roberton is that Jimmy Webster has now taken that rebounding/intercept role while he was injured and did it pretty well. They now have to get both of these guys to play cohesively.

I also want to check out the kickin numbers for 2017. I am curious to see where Smith ranks for the Crows.

Roberton's numbers are much more recent though, so they carry more weight, especially since he's had 2 90+ seasons from 3 (ignore last year)

Brodie went 90+ in 2014 - that's way too far back now to really value

Might not sound like much, but the price difference also makes Roberton more attractive. At 297k even if he goes 75+ he still makes enough cash, and he takes a lot of the Saints kick outs too, which will only help with the new rules and his scoring

All this talk of Webster doing this, Carlisle and Austin being injured etc - none of that matters to me
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: ubeaut on January 27, 2019, 06:30:38 PM
Numbers say otherwise. Roberton has had 2 seasons of 90+ but every other season has been sub 76.

Smith has had one season of 90+ (which was better than any Roberton has had) and 2 more above 80 (although one was off 2 games last year). The rest have been sub 76. They're essentially a wash.

The major difference with Roberton is that Jimmy Webster has now taken that rebounding/intercept role while he was injured and did it pretty well. They now have to get both of these guys to play cohesively.

I also want to check out the kickin numbers for 2017. I am curious to see where Smith ranks for the Crows.

Roberton's numbers are much more recent though, so they carry more weight, especially since he's had 2 90+ seasons from 3 (ignore last year)

Brodie went 90+ in 2014 - that's way too far back now to really value

Might not sound like much, but the price difference also makes Roberton more attractive. At 297k even if he goes 75+ he still makes enough cash, and he takes a lot of the Saints kick outs too, which will only help with the new rules and his scoring

All this talk of Webster doing this, Carlisle and Austin being injured etc - none of that matters to me
Well it matters to me. These factors could be the difference between a 85 - 90 avg and a 70 - 75 avg. I'd rather get 65 from a rookie at half the price or less.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 27, 2019, 07:59:12 PM
Numbers say otherwise. Roberton has had 2 seasons of 90+ but every other season has been sub 76.

Smith has had one season of 90+ (which was better than any Roberton has had) and 2 more above 80 (although one was off 2 games last year). The rest have been sub 76. They're essentially a wash.

The major difference with Roberton is that Jimmy Webster has now taken that rebounding/intercept role while he was injured and did it pretty well. They now have to get both of these guys to play cohesively.

I also want to check out the kickin numbers for 2017. I am curious to see where Smith ranks for the Crows.

Roberton's numbers are much more recent though, so they carry more weight, especially since he's had 2 90+ seasons from 3 (ignore last year)

Brodie went 90+ in 2014 - that's way too far back now to really value

Might not sound like much, but the price difference also makes Roberton more attractive. At 297k even if he goes 75+ he still makes enough cash, and he takes a lot of the Saints kick outs too, which will only help with the new rules and his scoring

All this talk of Webster doing this, Carlisle and Austin being injured etc - none of that matters to me
Well it matters to me. These factors could be the difference between a 85 - 90 avg and a 70 - 75 avg. I'd rather get 65 from a rookie at half the price or less.

I think you'll be hard pressed finding many def rookies going 65

Dylan Roberton ranks 4th in the AFL for kick-in to self since 2015, despite missing most of last season

Recent article also mentioned how he did a lot of coaching this year and will be a huge in for them, being a general down back

Lack of rookies, his price and history = extreme value
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Southstorm on January 27, 2019, 08:15:48 PM
IMO biggest worry about Roberton is who's NOT back yet, Carlisle isn't training properly after an injury sustained before Christmas. Roberton has done jobs in the past and could be doing them again without Carlisle back. For me he's a wait and watch at the time being.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on January 27, 2019, 08:31:08 PM
Numbers say otherwise. Roberton has had 2 seasons of 90+ but every other season has been sub 76.

Smith has had one season of 90+ (which was better than any Roberton has had) and 2 more above 80 (although one was off 2 games last year). The rest have been sub 76. They're essentially a wash.

The major difference with Roberton is that Jimmy Webster has now taken that rebounding/intercept role while he was injured and did it pretty well. They now have to get both of these guys to play cohesively.

I also want to check out the kickin numbers for 2017. I am curious to see where Smith ranks for the Crows.

Roberton's numbers are much more recent though, so they carry more weight, especially since he's had 2 90+ seasons from 3 (ignore last year)

Brodie went 90+ in 2014 - that's way too far back now to really value

Might not sound like much, but the price difference also makes Roberton more attractive. At 297k even if he goes 75+ he still makes enough cash, and he takes a lot of the Saints kick outs too, which will only help with the new rules and his scoring

All this talk of Webster doing this, Carlisle and Austin being injured etc - none of that matters to me
Well it matters to me. These factors could be the difference between a 85 - 90 avg and a 70 - 75 avg. I'd rather get 65 from a rookie at half the price or less.

I think you'll be hard pressed finding many def rookies going 65

Dylan Roberton ranks 4th in the AFL for kick-in to self since 2015, despite missing most of last season

Recent article also mentioned how he did a lot of coaching this year and will be a huge in for them, being a general down back

Lack of rookies, his price and history = extreme value

You've almost sold me, could go Whitfield down to Mills & Rozee/Collins up to Roberton.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on January 28, 2019, 12:46:39 AM
Interesting question, if Harley Bennell is picked round 1 will you start him?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on January 28, 2019, 02:43:28 AM
Interesting question, if Harley Bennell is picked round 1 will you start him?

Yep! Can't not have him at $165k. Him actually being available round 1 is the question though
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: shaker on January 28, 2019, 07:16:51 AM
Interesting question, if Harley Bennell is picked round 1 will you start him?

Yep! Can't not have him at $165k. Him actually being available round 1 is the question though
Agree you just have to hope he plays a few rounds before he does something stupid or gets injured
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 28, 2019, 08:58:40 AM
Interesting question, if Harley Bennell is picked round 1 will you start him?

Yep! Can't not have him at $165k. Him actually being available round 1 is the question though

Read a couple of days ago he's had a great preseason for the first time in years and is looking good

If he makes it to R1 then yep he has to be picked
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Nige on January 28, 2019, 09:14:56 AM
You'd have to pay me at least $165k to pick Bennell.

At this stage, I'd say Collins, McLennan, Logue, McKay, Rozee and Quaynor appear to be the most likely def rookies to line up.

Bewley and Hind are just about locks in the midfield, Walsh if you're happy to take the expensive option.

Forward options looking a little less obvious at this point, could of assumed options like Cavarra and Parker, but Corbett appears to be one of the few certainties.

I've probably forgot a few names though.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: enzedder on January 28, 2019, 10:27:27 AM
I think everyone knew but for those that don’t...
Carlton: "Over the next week or two he'll be into the full training group doing full game play situations.. he's looking really good for the start of the season" Director of High Performance Andrew Russell on Will Setterfield
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 28, 2019, 10:45:30 AM
This is a great article just posted on AFL.com.au

Use this as a reference just to get a feel for who to use as place-holders, and your structure

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-01-28/draftee-watch-how-are-your-clubs-new-faces-tracking
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ringo on January 28, 2019, 12:54:33 PM
Interesting question, if Harley Bennell is picked round 1 will you start him?

Yep! Can't not have him at $165k. Him actually being available round 1 is the question though

Read a couple of days ago he's had a great preseason for the first time in years and is looking good

If he makes it to R1 then yep he has to be picked
Yep if he starts Rd 1 too hard to ignore at the price. Nice cash builder if anywhere near his best.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on January 28, 2019, 04:52:45 PM
Roberton's numbers are much more recent though, so they carry more weight, especially since he's had 2 90+ seasons from 3 (ignore last year)

Brodie went 90+ in 2014 - that's way too far back now to really value

Might not sound like much, but the price difference also makes Roberton more attractive. At 297k even if he goes 75+ he still makes enough cash, and he takes a lot of the Saints kick outs too, which will only help with the new rules and his scoring

All this talk of Webster doing this, Carlisle and Austin being injured etc - none of that matters to me

Change of role in a team can be huge as to how a player scores. When Lever came to the Dees that hurt Hibberd's intercept possession numbers which was a larger reason he scored so well the year before.

In 2017 Lever was number 1 per game at an average of 9.50. Hibberd was number 7 at 7.61. In 2018 Lever was number 11 at 7.91 and Hibberd dropped all the way down to 67 at an average of 5.1. Lever didn't play the whole season but the Dees manufactured Jordan Lewis to take on the Hibberd role from the previous year which resulted in a ton of kick ins and 6.46 intercept possessions per game which was good for 39th. The year before Lewis wasn't even in the top 100.

The other stat which Hibberd dominated was rebound 50's. He was launching a large number of counterattacks and was ranked number 2 in the comp with an average of 6.83. In 2018 he dropped down to 24 for an average of 4.14 per game. This resulted in him being number 1 in the comp for meters gained in 2017 (556.50) compared to 36 in 2018 (402.29). So he was nowhere near as damaging with his possessions in 2018 when he wasn't the manufactured loose defender.

So looking at the stats that made Roberton an asset in 2017. He was 21st in the AFL with an average of 6.68 intercepts per game. He was taking the majority of the kickins, lead a majority of their rebound 50's (4th at 5.64 per game) and was number 11 in meters gained at an average of 474.14. He was the guy they manufactured to play loose behind the ball. If he was forced to play more accountable those numbers could see a Hibberd like plummet and he could end up averaging around 70. At his price the reward is a lot greater than the risk, however you're likely to see a higher floor from someone like Brodie Smith for a similar ceiling.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on January 30, 2019, 12:26:19 PM
Interesting question, if Harley Bennell is picked round 1 will you start him?

Yep! Can't not have him at $165k. Him actually being available round 1 is the question though

Read a couple of days ago he's had a great preseason for the first time in years and is looking good

If he makes it to R1 then yep he has to be picked
Yep if he starts Rd 1 too hard to ignore at the price. Nice cash builder if anywhere near his best.

Cant say no to a pick like him, i really would just love to see him out there again

Also guys, ive always enjoyed doing write ups on fanfooty in the preseason so i finally thought id give a crack at making a facebook page.

Its relevant here as i did a rookie bible write up and thought some of you guys would enjoy the read. Feel free to look at my scouting reports or maybe even drop a like if you enjoy. Thanks guys means a lot :)

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2256658007956160&id=2256597511295543
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 30, 2019, 04:23:49 PM
If we're lucky enough to get a playing rookie ruck at R3 what are people thinking about doing loophole wise?

I'm thinking Rozee/Burgess could be the way to go, assuming one of them (likely Burgess) isn't named round 1, allow us to not only use him to loophole our VC/C but it would also mean you have Rozee available on both lines as DEF/FWD

I don't think Rozee will score very well, especially as he is training as a half forward, but his JS and DPP might be enough of a pay off
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Fid on January 30, 2019, 04:32:52 PM
If we're lucky enough to get a playing rookie ruck at R3 what are people thinking about doing loophole wise?

I'm thinking Rozee/Burgess could be the way to go, assuming one of them (likely Burgess) isn't named round 1, allow us to not only use him to loophole our VC/C but it would also mean you have Rozee available on both lines as DEF/FWD

I don't think Rozee will score very well, especially as he is training as a half forward, but his JS and DPP might be enough of a pay off

At this early stage, I'm looking at having Rhylee West on the bench.  He may may not play first up, but should play eventually and the Bulldogs are the best side to utilise DPP.

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Big Mac on January 30, 2019, 04:36:12 PM
If we're lucky enough to get a playing rookie ruck at R3 what are people thinking about doing loophole wise?

I'm thinking Rozee/Burgess could be the way to go, assuming one of them (likely Burgess) isn't named round 1, allow us to not only use him to loophole our VC/C but it would also mean you have Rozee available on both lines as DEF/FWD

I don't think Rozee will score very well, especially as he is training as a half forward, but his JS and DPP might be enough of a pay off

I'll just pick the best rookies, having the best cash generation is more important imo

After a few rounds someone will inevitably be injured/dropped and stuck on your bench anyway
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on January 30, 2019, 10:40:50 PM
If we're lucky enough to get a playing rookie ruck at R3 what are people thinking about doing loophole wise?

I'm thinking Rozee/Burgess could be the way to go, assuming one of them (likely Burgess) isn't named round 1, allow us to not only use him to loophole our VC/C but it would also mean you have Rozee available on both lines as DEF/FWD

I don't think Rozee will score very well, especially as he is training as a half forward, but his JS and DPP might be enough of a pay off

I think Rozee will score well, has already proven he can rack up 25+ touches at senior level. Of the first year guys it's Walsh then Rozee & perhaps Rankine if he gets a bit of time in the middle. Ely Smith a smokey but can be iffy with his disposal.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: shaker on January 31, 2019, 06:59:01 AM
If we're lucky enough to get a playing rookie ruck at R3 what are people thinking about doing loophole wise?

I'm thinking Rozee/Burgess could be the way to go, assuming one of them (likely Burgess) isn't named round 1, allow us to not only use him to loophole our VC/C but it would also mean you have Rozee available on both lines as DEF/FWD

I don't think Rozee will score very well, especially as he is training as a half forward, but his JS and DPP might be enough of a pay off
M11 for me we have the extra player in the mids and there are numerous DPP's from several clubs at 102K
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on January 31, 2019, 02:10:06 PM
Remember last year when we had Doedee, Finlayson and Murray locked at D4-D6  :'(
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2019, 02:22:19 PM
Remember last year when we had Doedee, Finlayson and Murray locked at D4-D6  :'(

You could possibly have one of Birch/Rozee and Collins locked at D4 & D5, and then just hope 3 decent rookies get named to fill out D6-8

Personally, I'm looking to go with Williams at D4 for now, just to bolster things there, but there's a chance you could get away with a lighter def if you're willing to spend a bit more on Birch/Rozee/Collins/Quaynor etc
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on January 31, 2019, 02:38:15 PM
Remember last year when we had Doedee, Finlayson and Murray locked at D4-D6  :'(

You could possibly have one of Birch/Rozee and Collins locked at D4 & D5, and then just hope 3 decent rookies get named to fill out D6-8

Personally, I'm looking to go with Williams at D4 for now, just to bolster things there, but there's a chance you could get away with a lighter def if you're willing to spend a bit more on Birch/Rozee/Collins/Quaynor etc

Do you know how Birch is travelling? Haven't heard anything about him since that latest operation before Xmas
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2019, 02:53:30 PM
Remember last year when we had Doedee, Finlayson and Murray locked at D4-D6  :'(

You could possibly have one of Birch/Rozee and Collins locked at D4 & D5, and then just hope 3 decent rookies get named to fill out D6-8

Personally, I'm looking to go with Williams at D4 for now, just to bolster things there, but there's a chance you could get away with a lighter def if you're willing to spend a bit more on Birch/Rozee/Collins/Quaynor etc

Do you know how Birch is travelling? Haven't heard anything about him since that latest operation before Xmas

Read something yesterday that suggested he is back out there, but not with the main group yet
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on January 31, 2019, 04:13:35 PM
Remember last year when we had Doedee, Finlayson and Murray locked at D4-D6  :'(

You could possibly have one of Birch/Rozee and Collins locked at D4 & D5, and then just hope 3 decent rookies get named to fill out D6-8

Personally, I'm looking to go with Williams at D4 for now, just to bolster things there, but there's a chance you could get away with a lighter def if you're willing to spend a bit more on Birch/Rozee/Collins/Quaynor etc

Do you know how Birch is travelling? Haven't heard anything about him since that latest operation before Xmas

Read something yesterday that suggested he is back out there, but not with the main group yet

That's frustrating. I want to see him play atleast 1 JLT game
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2019, 04:30:15 PM
Remember last year when we had Doedee, Finlayson and Murray locked at D4-D6  :'(

You could possibly have one of Birch/Rozee and Collins locked at D4 & D5, and then just hope 3 decent rookies get named to fill out D6-8

Personally, I'm looking to go with Williams at D4 for now, just to bolster things there, but there's a chance you could get away with a lighter def if you're willing to spend a bit more on Birch/Rozee/Collins/Quaynor etc

Do you know how Birch is travelling? Haven't heard anything about him since that latest operation before Xmas

Read something yesterday that suggested he is back out there, but not with the main group yet

That's frustrating. I want to see him play atleast 1 JLT game

I'm sure I'll change my mind 100 more times and maybe I'll give him a chance, but for the time being I'm off Birch and anyone else who's had an interrupted preseason

The reality is Birch will likely put up 70-80 most weeks anyway, so won't miss out on heaps of points, but his JS is the appeal however his body is shot so I'm hoping they'll be enough def rookies that I won't need him
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Holz on January 31, 2019, 06:48:50 PM
Remember last year when we had Doedee, Finlayson and Murray locked at D4-D6  :'(

You could possibly have one of Birch/Rozee and Collins locked at D4 & D5, and then just hope 3 decent rookies get named to fill out D6-8

Personally, I'm looking to go with Williams at D4 for now, just to bolster things there, but there's a chance you could get away with a lighter def if you're willing to spend a bit more on Birch/Rozee/Collins/Quaynor etc

Do you know how Birch is travelling? Haven't heard anything about him since that latest operation before Xmas

Read something yesterday that suggested he is back out there, but not with the main group yet

That's frustrating. I want to see him play atleast 1 JLT game

I'm sure I'll change my mind 100 more times and maybe I'll give him a chance, but for the time being I'm off Birch and anyone else who's had an interrupted preseason

The reality is Birch will likely put up 70-80 most weeks anyway, so won't miss out on heaps of points, but his JS is the appeal however his body is shot so I'm hoping they'll be enough def rookies that I won't need him


A 200k guy dropping 70-80 would be huge

the 200k mids last year where only dropping 50-65

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2019, 07:27:53 PM
"Huge" is a bit of a stretch

200k mid are always crap to pick anyway

117-123k rookies could put up close enough scores some weeks, and are way cheaper and they aren't walking injuries like Birch
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on February 01, 2019, 01:53:16 PM
Tom north according to Adam Cerra and the west Australian 123k .... would be nice
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Holz on February 01, 2019, 03:19:54 PM
"Huge" is a bit of a stretch

200k mid are always crap to pick anyway

117-123k rookies could put up close enough scores some weeks, and are way cheaper and they aren't walking injuries like Birch

yeah but think of it this way. The good cheap rookies everyone has so really you need to compare the 4th or 5th best rookie on that line against birchall. So from last year your comparing 70-80 from Birchall not to Ed Richards or Doedee who where locks but more guys like Lachlan Murphy.

First 7 games.

Brayshaw last year put up 54
Cerra put up 62
Dow put up 53

So if birchall can put up even a 70 average for say 7 rounds ill be super stoked with that.


Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 01, 2019, 09:08:04 PM
Josh Corbett and Chris Burgess "haven't missed a beat"

"Collins started really well but then had a bit of a niggle in his knee - we think he's going to be a contributor"

Hmmm, hopefully it's not much but was hoping for something a little more solid on Collins
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on February 03, 2019, 11:36:50 PM
Any west coast supporters like Matthew Allens chances of an early debut? 123k fwd/mid whose been around a while but just moved into the midfield group and a video on the clubs website would suggest the players are a pretty big wrap for him
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: jvalles69 on February 04, 2019, 09:16:23 AM
Any west coast supporters like Matthew Allens chances of an early debut? 123k fwd/mid whose been around a while but just moved into the midfield group and a video on the clubs website would suggest the players are a pretty big wrap for him

I highly doubt it, wouldn't rate his job security.  Imagine he debuted round 1 only to be covering for Gaff then straight out.  Don't think he's a chance to play regular games unless a few injuries happen, possibly a good downgrade target later in the year if in fact those injuries do pop up.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 04, 2019, 10:14:59 AM
I've been suggesting for quite a while now that we might be light on with def rookies to chose from which is why I am looking to go deep down back

Well, "The Phantom" has just posted an article about the Def rookies and here's his final verdict. I'll assume these are the only guys he rates as being a chance (and this guy must be lurking here because he's said everything I've said about each of them :P)

Connor Rozee: There are cheaper options but, all going well, Rozee will play majority of games in his debut season and looms as great cash cow in defence.

Isaac Quaynor: Might not be the highest-scoring rookie-price defender but we all know how important early games are. Keep him on the watchlist.

Xavier Duursma: Might be a JLT Series bolter.

Sam Collins: Lock him in — he’s worth the elevated price tag.

Marty Hore: The perfect bench option if the 23-year-old can break in.

Callum Wilkie: More likely an early-season downgrade option.

Chris Burgess: A very good chance to be there Round 1 but will his scoring translate playing in the Gold Coast forward line?

Corey Ellis: I’m not convinced.

Jack Scrimshaw: Doesn’t have the runs on the board but the potential is there.

Tom Williamson: The JLT Series will tell us what we need to know about the young Blue.

Harrison Wigg: Please, Stuey.

This is just one persons opinion after all, and we won't really know until we see some JLT but this guy has pretty much mirrored what I've been saying/thinking about each of these players too, which is why I think we need to go deep.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: shaker on February 04, 2019, 11:08:07 AM
Ok you West Coast people what about Jarrod Brander 135K what's going on with him any chance R1 and his scoring capabilities ?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 04, 2019, 11:56:05 AM
Any west coast supporters like Matthew Allens chances of an early debut? 123k fwd/mid whose been around a while but just moved into the midfield group and a video on the clubs website would suggest the players are a pretty big wrap for him

I highly doubt it, wouldn't rate his job security.  Imagine he debuted round 1 only to be covering for Gaff then straight out.  Don't think he's a chance to play regular games unless a few injuries happen, possibly a good downgrade target later in the year if in fact those injuries do pop up.

Ok you West Coast people what about Jarrod Brander 135K what's going on with him any chance R1 and his scoring capabilities ?

The only WCE rookie you should consider is Baines for R3 loophole

Foley would be the best chance of rookies if I had to guess, but I'm not expecting any rookies to play early for us so I'd suggest looking elsewhere for now

Brander will be given another chance at some point, but I don't think we can trust any WCE rookies for SC at this stage
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: ubeaut on February 04, 2019, 12:03:38 PM
I've been suggesting for quite a while now that we might be light on with def rookies to chose from which is why I am looking to go deep down back

Well, "The Phantom" has just posted an article about the Def rookies and here's his final verdict. I'll assume these are the only guys he rates as being a chance (and this guy must be lurking here because he's said everything I've said about each of them :P)

Connor Rozee: There are cheaper options but, all going well, Rozee will play majority of games in his debut season and looms as great cash cow in defence.

Isaac Quaynor: Might not be the highest-scoring rookie-price defender but we all know how important early games are. Keep him on the watchlist.

Xavier Duursma: Might be a JLT Series bolter.

Sam Collins: Lock him in — he’s worth the elevated price tag.

Marty Hore: The perfect bench option if the 23-year-old can break in.

Callum Wilkie: More likely an early-season downgrade option.

Chris Burgess: A very good chance to be there Round 1 but will his scoring translate playing in the Gold Coast forward line?

Corey Ellis: I’m not convinced.

Jack Scrimshaw: Doesn’t have the runs on the board but the potential is there.

Tom Williamson: The JLT Series will tell us what we need to know about the young Blue.

Harrison Wigg: Please, Stuey.

This is just one persons opinion after all, and we won't really know until we see some JLT but this guy has pretty much mirrored what I've been saying/thinking about each of these players too, which is why I think we need to go deep.
How deep are we talking though Rd?
I agree that def rookies are looking lighter than other lines, but is it that dire?
Rozee and Collins are just about locks to start round 1. That's 2 spots.
He didn't mention Logue who is rookie priced and should play 3rd tall interceptor role. That's 3.
Then we just need 1 or 2 of Williamson, Quaynor , Duursma,Hore or any bolter that often pops up late to play.
The deepest I think we'll have to go is a mid pricer at D4.
Last resort I might start Birchall, but no way I want to have an expensive D5.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 04, 2019, 01:01:13 PM
How deep are we talking though Rd?
I agree that def rookies are looking lighter than other lines, but is it that dire?
Rozee and Collins are just about locks to start round 1. That's 2 spots.
He didn't mention Logue who is rookie priced and should play 3rd tall interceptor role. That's 3.
Then we just need 1 or 2 of Williamson, Quaynor , Duursma,Hore or any bolter that often pops up late to play.
The deepest I think we'll have to go is a mid pricer at D4.
Last resort I might start Birchall, but no way I want to have an expensive D5.

Well that's what I mean - there won't be many cheap rookies at all

Collins/Rozee/Birch/Williamson these guys are all basically 200k, and we know how crap 200k rookies usually turn out to be in terms of cash generation and scoring. Quaynor/Logue 150k+ too

Basically, we can't have a cheap rookie on field imo. You need to field the expensive guys, and hope we get 2 cheapies just for the bench
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on February 04, 2019, 01:31:21 PM
How deep are we talking though Rd?
I agree that def rookies are looking lighter than other lines, but is it that dire?
Rozee and Collins are just about locks to start round 1. That's 2 spots.
He didn't mention Logue who is rookie priced and should play 3rd tall interceptor role. That's 3.
Then we just need 1 or 2 of Williamson, Quaynor , Duursma,Hore or any bolter that often pops up late to play.
The deepest I think we'll have to go is a mid pricer at D4.
Last resort I might start Birchall, but no way I want to have an expensive D5.

Well that's what I mean - there won't be many cheap rookies at all

Collins/Rozee/Birch/Williamson these guys are all basically 200k, and we know how crap 200k rookies usually turn out to be in terms of cash generation and scoring. Quaynor/Logue 150k+ too

Basically, we can't have a cheap rookie on field imo. You need to field the expensive guys, and hope we get 2 cheapies just for the bench

At the moment I've got Rozee, Collins, Quaynor with Hoare and Wigg on the bench.

Keeping an eye out on Birchall, Burgess, Logue, Dursma, Scrimshaw and any others that pop up.

They are expensive but I like them more than the forward rookie options which is why I've got a mid priced F4 rather than D3
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: shaker on February 04, 2019, 02:07:41 PM
I've been suggesting for quite a while now that we might be light on with def rookies to chose from which is why I am looking to go deep down back

Well, "The Phantom" has just posted an article about the Def rookies and here's his final verdict. I'll assume these are the only guys he rates as being a chance (and this guy must be lurking here because he's said everything I've said about each of them :P)

Connor Rozee: There are cheaper options but, all going well, Rozee will play majority of games in his debut season and looms as great cash cow in defence.

Isaac Quaynor: Might not be the highest-scoring rookie-price defender but we all know how important early games are. Keep him on the watchlist.

Xavier Duursma: Might be a JLT Series bolter.

Sam Collins: Lock him in — he’s worth the elevated price tag.

Marty Hore: The perfect bench option if the 23-year-old can break in.

Callum Wilkie: More likely an early-season downgrade option.

Chris Burgess: A very good chance to be there Round 1 but will his scoring translate playing in the Gold Coast forward line?

Corey Ellis: I’m not convinced.

Jack Scrimshaw: Doesn’t have the runs on the board but the potential is there.

Tom Williamson: The JLT Series will tell us what we need to know about the young Blue.

Harrison Wigg: Please, Stuey.

This is just one persons opinion after all, and we won't really know until we see some JLT but this guy has pretty much mirrored what I've been saying/thinking about each of these players too, which is why I think we need to go deep.

Ok all that means to me is that there are 2 people that don't know what there talking about  ;D but seriously even after JLT and we have all have the rookies that shone out in our teams then the R1 teams are named and a lot of the certain starters don't get a game happens every year , so whoever starts R1 is in the team.

One of my rules of SC is never start a rookie that is not named R1 thinking they will next week except for one loophole , so if they are expensive or if they are cheap does not matter you have to fit your team around starting rookies.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 04, 2019, 07:09:13 PM
Michael Gibbons is sounding like a very good chance of getting picked up by Carlton, and even debuting Round 1

Not available atm in SC, but what would he come in at? Surely 102k?

Either way, another lock mid. Might even just place a 102k rookie at M11 for the time being and reserve that for Gibbons
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Fid on February 04, 2019, 08:02:44 PM
Michael Gibbons is sounding like a very good chance of getting picked up by Carlton, and even debuting Round 1

Not available atm in SC, but what would he come in at? Surely 102k?

Either way, another lock mid. Might even just place a 102k rookie at M11 for the time being and reserve that for Gibbons

Someone like Tobe Watson who also is a chance of playing R1
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on February 04, 2019, 08:14:54 PM
Would be super handy of both of them got named round 1
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: _wato on February 05, 2019, 11:42:09 AM
I'm hearing from a mate who regularly watches Carlton training, and that is that Setterfield may not be right until Round 3 or 4 and that Stocker looks lost out there in match sim, not even close to being ready to go.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 05, 2019, 11:58:23 AM
I'm hearing from a mate who regularly watches Carlton training, and that is that Setterfield may not be right until Round 3 or 4 and that Stocker looks lost out there in match sim, not even close to being ready to go.

Yeah I dropped Stocker from side a few weeks ago - from everything I've heard over the past couple of months I just figured he was no chance for Round 1, and will likely be a downgrade option later in the year

As for Setterfield he is overcoming an injury, but I think I read something recently that suggested he is pushing to be ready for Round 1. Hopefully we see him in JLT

If Setters misses Round 1, I'd still pick him to use for loophole where possible because he's a lock to play once fit so why waste the trade
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ringo on February 05, 2019, 12:15:34 PM
I'm hearing from a mate who regularly watches Carlton training, and that is that Setterfield may not be right until Round 3 or 4 and that Stocker looks lost out there in match sim, not even close to being ready to go.

Yeah I dropped Stocker from side a few weeks ago - from everything I've heard over the past couple of months I just figured he was no chance for Round 1, and will likely be a downgrade option later in the year

As for Setterfield he is overcoming an injury, but I think I read something recently that suggested he is pushing to be ready for Round 1. Hopefully we see him in JLT

If Setters misses Round 1, I'd still pick him to use for loophole where possible because he's a lock to play once fit so why waste the trade
We just wait and see who is up for Rd 1 - Stocker should be easily replaced and Setterfield as RD says is a certainty to play when fit if not Rd 1 so if either bench is playing which you what from Rd 1 sit him there till he plays. Trades as we know are important so why waste one getting him back in when he does play.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: _wato on February 05, 2019, 12:22:15 PM
Not that easy - say he doesn’t debut till Rd 3/4 to be conservative (which they will be considering their injury list) he might not be on the bubble till Rd 6/7 which is enough time for a good rook to make 150k+
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on February 05, 2019, 02:07:49 PM
In reply to comments about eagles rookies... absolutely no chance any of them get permanent game time(but brander will be a gun of the Comp one day)
Gibbons looks like he will be a SuperCoach gift for us all.
Tom Williamson will be a lock for the blues but doubt he will be a good Sc scorer.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on February 05, 2019, 04:30:33 PM
Not that easy - say he doesn’t debut till Rd 3/4 to be conservative (which they will be considering their injury list) he might not be on the bubble till Rd 6/7 which is enough time for a good rook to make 150k+
Would you want to trade a good rookie that early though? More likely you trade one that has been spudding it and/or dropped haha
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on February 05, 2019, 10:13:46 PM
I'm hearing from a mate who regularly watches Carlton training, and that is that Setterfield may not be right until Round 3 or 4 and that Stocker looks lost out there in match sim, not even close to being ready to go.

Everything I have seen with Stocker says he isn't even training with the main group properly yet. I doubt he lines up round 1 unless he has a huge turn around and tears up the JLT. I always thought Setterfield would start the year in the VFL to get some run in his legs. Coming off the ACL I though he would be battling for R1 and wouldn't play JLT. You aren't going to throw the guy straight in. Reports have him possibly playing some JLT so I'd be a bit more optimistic than I was in November.

Tom Williamson will be a lock for the blues but doubt he will be a good Sc scorer.

Unfortunately he won't be. I doubt he is fit for round 1. He is still just running laps with the rehab group and barely played all last season with the back. I expect Simmo, Newman and Daisy to hold down the fort.

As for his scoring, he would score better on the bigger grounds in his first season. It let him use his run and carry which is his best asset. He struggled to do that at Etihad/Marvel as teams were able to close space and make it harder for him to break through.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on February 05, 2019, 11:31:18 PM
I'm hearing from a mate who regularly watches Carlton training, and that is that Setterfield may not be right until Round 3 or 4 and that Stocker looks lost out there in match sim, not even close to being ready to go.

Everything I have seen with Stocker says he isn't even training with the main group properly yet. I doubt he lines up round 1 unless he has a huge turn around and tears up the JLT. I always thought Setterfield would start the year in the VFL to get some run in his legs. Coming off the ACL I though he would be battling for R1 and wouldn't play JLT. You aren't going to throw the guy straight in. Reports have him possibly playing some JLT so I'd be a bit more optimistic than I was in November.

Tom Williamson will be a lock for the blues but doubt he will be a good Sc scorer.

Unfortunately he won't be. I doubt he is fit for round 1. He is still just running laps with the rehab group and barely played all last season with the back. I expect Simmo, Newman and Daisy to hold down the fort.

As for his scoring, he would score better on the bigger grounds in his first season. It let him use his run and carry which is his best asset. He struggled to do that at Etihad/Marvel as teams were able to close space and make it harder for him to break through.

Do you like Gibbons chances of lining up round 1?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on February 05, 2019, 11:51:08 PM
Do you like Gibbons chances of lining up round 1?

No idea. We don't have a deep midfield so he would be a shot if he plays well enough. He has done enough to impress them in the match sims and I think he has been killing it in the time trials as well. I might have a crack at our 22 later this week to get a rough idea. Our injury list is a mess already

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-01-30/injury-blues-nearly-half-of-best-22-on-restricted-duties

The article has some info on guys like Williamson and Setterfield in there. I'll drop the important info below


Quote

Mitch McGovern
He's running laps after suffering a non-displaced fracture of his back before Christmas. The club hopes he will back in full training in the next fortnight.

Will Setterfield
Still recovering from an ACL injury that ruined his 2018 season with the Giants. He's taking part in most drills now and the club expects him to re-join the main group in the next fortnight.

Caleb Marchbank
He's still running laps as he recovers from a back problem. He's taking part in a few drills, but it's fair to say his rehab is taking longer than the club perhaps first expected. Marchbank is likely to re-join the main group at some stage in February.

Liam Jones
Restricted to running laps recently due to a fractured hand. Expect him back in full training sooner, rather than later.

Darcy Lang
A foot problem has him on incredibly light duties. He still can't kick, so hasn't joined in ball drills. The club says he is "highly unlikely" to be fit for round one.

Matthew Kreuzer
Had minor knee surgery last week. He isn't expected to re-join the main group until late in pre-season, but the club is still confident he will be in the frame for round one.

Sam Docherty
The new co-captain will miss most, if not all, of 2019 with a knee injury.

Jarrod Pickett
He remains a long way off returning from his knee injury.

Alex Fasolo
He's expected to miss six to eight weeks with a broken arm, which will more than likely rule him out of round one.

Tom Williamson
There had been concern for the defender after he sat out the last two sessions. But the club is adamant it is simply giving the youngster a breather after a brutal workload following a year out of the game with a debilitating back problem.


This was a report from today

Quote

WHO’S FIT

Jack Silvagni has spent a summer of explicit explosive running as he attempts to spend more time on the ball. His younger brother Ben has impressed as a switch-hitting key position player in match simulation. While the club hasn’t committed to him yet, clearance king Michael Gibbons has been a standout at training, to the point where one casual observer made the assessment that if you didn’t know who he was, he would be playing against Richmond in Round 1.

WHO’S HURT

Unfortunately, there are too many in this bracket with co-captain Sam Docherty gone for the year (knee). Recruit Mitch McGovern is running laps after suffering a non-displaced fracture of his back, Darcy Lang is highly unlikely for Round 1 (foot), Alex Fasolo is six to eight weeks (broken arm), Caleb Marchbank is on light duties (back), Jarrod Picket (knee) is a fair way off, Liam Jones (fractured hand) is running laps, Matthew Kreuzer (knee) is hopeful of being ready for Round 1 while Will Setterfield and Tom Williamson are making steady progress from long-term injuries.

WHO’S IMPRESSING

After a second year of stagnation, Sam Petrevski-Seton is flying as he prepares for more midfield time. And the Zac Fisher journey continues to grow. Number one draft pick Sam Walsh has had a stunning debut pre-season. Tom De Koning, Patrick Kerr and Harry McKay are a trio of young talls who appear ready to take the next step after improving their running during pre-season. Lochie O’Brien missed some early sessions but in the past two weeks has been blitzing on the track. Paddy Dow has increased his strength and is ready for a breakout second season.


Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 06, 2019, 09:53:16 AM
Setterfield had his first competitive hit out on Monday, so sounding like he is starting to ramp things up now  - good sign
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Money Shot on February 06, 2019, 01:13:49 PM
Plowman, Weitering, Jones
Newman, Marchbank, Simpson
Dow, Curnow, Walsh
Fisher, Curnow, SPS
McGovern, McKay, O’Brien
Kreuzer, Cripps, Murphy

Kennedy, Thomas, Setterfield, Williamson

Unfit from best 22:
Docherty, Lang*, Fasolo*, Pickett*

That’s how I see our round 1 lineup.



Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 06, 2019, 01:40:57 PM
Plowman, Weitering, Jones
Newman, Marchbank, Simpson
Dow, Curnow, Walsh
Fisher, Curnow, SPS
McGovern, McKay, O’Brien
Kreuzer, Cripps, Murphy

Kennedy, Thomas, Setterfield, Williamson

Unfit from best 22:
Docherty, Lang*, Fasolo*, Pickett*

That’s how I see our round 1 lineup.

Williamson isn't even fit yet so wouldn't be locking him in to be ready by Round 1. I saw Jones got injured too, not sure how long he is out for. Gibbons is a chance to make the list and debut too
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Money Shot on February 06, 2019, 02:06:56 PM
Plowman, Weitering, Jones
Newman, Marchbank, Simpson
Dow, Curnow, Walsh
Fisher, Curnow, SPS
McGovern, McKay, O’Brien
Kreuzer, Cripps, Murphy

Kennedy, Thomas, Setterfield, Williamson

Unfit from best 22:
Docherty, Lang*, Fasolo*, Pickett*

That’s how I see our round 1 lineup.

Williamson isn't even fit yet so wouldn't be locking him in to be ready by Round 1. I saw Jones got injured too, not sure how long he is out for. Gibbons is a chance to make the list and debut too

If Gibbons gets picked up (I think he will) I feel as though he is a good chance for round 1 but I have left him out for now.

Kreuzer, Marchbank, Jones, Setterfield and McGovern are all injured but should be right for round 1 imo. Williamson may go through the VFL but I really rate him and think he is a good chance for round 1 if fit.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on February 06, 2019, 02:09:45 PM
Irving Mosquito sounds like he's virtually no chance of playing round 1 according to Woosha. Hadn't considered him but for those with him you may as well look elsewhere
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: jfitty on February 06, 2019, 02:15:40 PM
Irving Mosquito sounds like he's virtually no chance of playing round 1 according to Woosha. Hadn't considered him but for those with him you may as well look elsewhere

That's pretty understandable, he's still at school from memory?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 06, 2019, 03:31:38 PM
Irving Mosquito sounds like he's virtually no chance of playing round 1 according to Woosha. Hadn't considered him but for those with him you may as well look elsewhere

I lol'd when I saw his ownership % was something crazy like 25%  ;D

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ringo on February 06, 2019, 04:05:38 PM
Irving Mosquito sounds like he's virtually no chance of playing round 1 according to Woosha. Hadn't considered him but for those with him you may as well look elsewhere

I lol'd when I saw his ownership % was something crazy like 25%  ;D
I have him but basically atm as a low priced rookie with DPP as did not have that link set up. Will see what becomes available for RD1 but would want a rookie with DPP.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 06, 2019, 04:20:11 PM
Irving Mosquito sounds like he's virtually no chance of playing round 1 according to Woosha. Hadn't considered him but for those with him you may as well look elsewhere

I lol'd when I saw his ownership % was something crazy like 25%  ;D
I have him but basically atm as a low priced rookie with DPP as did not have that link set up. Will see what becomes available for RD1 but would want a rookie with DPP.

DPP is overrated in the first half of the season

We should have all bench options playing Round 1, so you're not going to need DPP

DPP is handy for the second half of the season when we get low on trades
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: ubeaut on February 06, 2019, 05:08:02 PM
Irving Mosquito sounds like he's virtually no chance of playing round 1 according to Woosha. Hadn't considered him but for those with him you may as well look elsewhere

I lol'd when I saw his ownership % was something crazy like 25%  ;D
I have him but basically atm as a low priced rookie with DPP as did not have that link set up. Will see what becomes available for RD1 but would want a rookie with DPP.

DPP is overrated in the first half of the season

We should have all bench options playing Round 1, so you're not going to need DPP

DPP is handy for the second half of the season when we get low on trades
Have to disagree with that Rd.
For one DPP captain loophole is invaluable.
Aside from that, corrective trades are given much more flexibility With DPPs.
For example, you start Roberton, he fails and there are no decent back rookies you don't already have. If u have Rozee fwd, and there's a fwd rookie about to explode in price after a few lucky bags, Roberton becomes that rookie.
Or Greene does a knee, no fwd rookie to get, move someone from mids to fwds and jump on that rookie u missed, or even Miles/Libba if they fire early.
I'm not suggesting that you disrupt team structure or pick players soley on DPP, but the sooner you can get DPP swing sets in as many positions as you can the better.
Setterfield, Rozee and an Owies type will likely be in my team.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 06, 2019, 05:30:34 PM
Have to disagree with that Rd.
For one DPP captain loophole is invaluable.
Aside from that, corrective trades are given much more flexibility With DPPs.
For example, you start Roberton, he fails and there are no decent back rookies you don't already have. If u have Rozee fwd, and there's a fwd rookie about to explode in price after a few lucky bags, Roberton becomes that rookie.
Or Greene does a knee, no fwd rookie to get, move someone from mids to fwds and jump on that rookie u missed, or even Miles/Libba if they fire early.
I'm not suggesting that you disrupt team structure or pick players soley on DPP, but the sooner you can get DPP swing sets in as many positions as you can the better.
Setterfield, Rozee and an Owies type will likely be in my team.

Don't need DPP for captain loophole. Just a non scoring player is all we need for that

As for the rest, I obviously had a brain fart haha. Of course having DPP is super handy for trading, being able to move out a fwd, swing a DPP mid to fwd, then bring in a mid as an example, yeah that's awesome.

For some reason whenever I see DPP said, I just think of being able to substitute between players haha. My bad
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on February 07, 2019, 11:23:44 AM
Have to disagree with that Rd.
For one DPP captain loophole is invaluable.
Aside from that, corrective trades are given much more flexibility With DPPs.
For example, you start Roberton, he fails and there are no decent back rookies you don't already have. If u have Rozee fwd, and there's a fwd rookie about to explode in price after a few lucky bags, Roberton becomes that rookie.
Or Greene does a knee, no fwd rookie to get, move someone from mids to fwds and jump on that rookie u missed, or even Miles/Libba if they fire early.
I'm not suggesting that you disrupt team structure or pick players soley on DPP, but the sooner you can get DPP swing sets in as many positions as you can the better.
Setterfield, Rozee and an Owies type will likely be in my team.

Don't need DPP for captain loophole. Just a non scoring player is all we need for that

As for the rest, I obviously had a brain fart haha. Of course having DPP is super handy for trading, being able to move out a fwd, swing a DPP mid to fwd, then bring in a mid as an example, yeah that's awesome.

For some reason whenever I see DPP said, I just think of being able to substitute between players haha. My bad
You don't have to have the link set up from rd1 (e.g. a fwd/mid in the midfield and another up fwd), but its good to have just one of those in play from the start to make some better trades early on. After round 8ish though is when you'll probably want those links set up for sure.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 07, 2019, 01:14:26 PM
Having listened to Leon Cameron's Ask The Coach, I would say Hately is the only rookie who is a remote chance of possibly playing Round 1
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on February 07, 2019, 03:27:02 PM
Having listened to Leon Cameron's Ask The Coach, I would say Hately is the only rookie who is a remote chance of possibly playing Round 1

Been a placeholder in my side since SC opened. Kid looks the goods.

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 07, 2019, 03:32:12 PM
Having listened to Leon Cameron's Ask The Coach, I would say Hately is the only rookie who is a remote chance of possibly playing Round 1

Been a placeholder in my side since SC opened. Kid looks the goods.

Been in my side since the start too, but like I said he'd be a remote chance. It's either him (low % chance) or nobody, so there's every chance he won't line up R1

I've just changed him to Bennell as the placeholder - allocates more cash that way too
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 07, 2019, 03:45:40 PM
Someone asked about WCE rookies recently and I think both Ele and I said no chance

He's not a rookie, but still priced as one - Petruccelle has been doing really well and with LeCras (retired) and Cripps (won't be ready) he is looking like the frontrunner to get first crack at the moment

123k FWD

Won't score well, but I'll plonk him on the bench as a placeholder for the time being
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on February 07, 2019, 04:11:50 PM
Someone asked about WCE rookies recently and I think both Ele and I said no chance

He's not a rookie, but still priced as one - Petruccelle has been doing really well and with LeCras (retired) and Cripps (won't be ready) he is looking like the frontrunner to get first crack at the moment

123k FWD

Won't score well, but I'll plonk him on the bench as a placeholder for the time being

Question for you and other WC supporters, Bailey Williams, how's he going? Thought his DPP might be handy in the event he gets a game?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on February 07, 2019, 04:14:40 PM
Having listened to Leon Cameron's Ask The Coach, I would say Hately is the only rookie who is a remote chance of possibly playing Round 1

Been a placeholder in my side since SC opened. Kid looks the goods.

Been in my side since the start too, but like I said he'd be a remote chance. It's either him (low % chance) or nobody, so there's every chance he won't line up R1

I've just changed him to Bennell as the placeholder - allocates more cash that way too

I'd rather Bennell but let's be honest, he's probably less of a chance to play lol
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 07, 2019, 04:37:26 PM
Question for you and other WC supporters, Bailey Williams, how's he going? Thought his DPP might be handy in the event he gets a game?

I'd think he would need multiple injuries to get a look in

Hickey and Vardy will ruck, with McInnes probably being the reserve

NicNat is looking to return around Round 10ish or so I believe as well
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 07, 2019, 04:37:49 PM
might have the Fyfe/Bennell/Bewley combo if all playing rnd 1
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 07, 2019, 04:39:28 PM
might have the Fyfe/Bennell/Bewley combo if all playing rnd 1

Got that combo atm, and apparently that North kid could be a smokey chance to play

Carn Ross! Hook us up for once!
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 07, 2019, 06:43:54 PM
will anyone only go with 2 or 3 premo mids and the rest rookies if we get enough options to allow it? like curtis taylor would be good with DPP so if needed can swing a fwd in
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 07, 2019, 07:04:37 PM
will anyone only go with 2 or 3 premo mids and the rest rookies if we get enough options to allow it? like curtis taylor would be good with DPP so if needed can swing a fwd in

I had Miles at M4 recently, but I've moved him to M5

Can't have a rookie at M4
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Fid on February 08, 2019, 04:30:33 PM
Any word on how Nick Blakey is tracking and if a chance for R1?

I've done some searches but can't find anything recent
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 08, 2019, 04:51:05 PM
Carlton have signed Gibbons
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 08, 2019, 05:00:28 PM
and Cottrell dunno much about him
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 08, 2019, 07:25:22 PM
Carlton have signed Gibbons

Was only a matter of time. Locked at M11 - hopefully he'll be 102k, but even at 123k it's a bargain. Wonder when he gets added to SC? Hopefully soon

Any word on how Nick Blakey is tracking and if a chance for R1?

I've done some searches but can't find anything recent

Had an ankle injury - only resumed training a week or so ago.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: enzedder on February 09, 2019, 06:32:05 PM
Michael Gibbons at $102K as a mid, expected to be available midweek.
Source JB Dr.SuperCoach
Reckon I can find room for him.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: frenzy on February 09, 2019, 07:40:19 PM
Any word on how Nick Blakey is tracking and if a chance for R1?

I've done some searches but can't find anything recent

a week or so back.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-02-01/prized-swans-draftee-blakey-shines-during-intraclub-hitout
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Fid on February 09, 2019, 07:43:12 PM
Any word on how Nick Blakey is tracking and if a chance for R1?

I've done some searches but can't find anything recent

a week or so back.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-02-01/prized-swans-draftee-blakey-shines-during-intraclub-hitout

thanks
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: sidvicious on February 10, 2019, 08:43:49 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/fk0Xtdz.png)
Went from lowest price possibilities up
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: ubeaut on February 10, 2019, 08:51:44 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/fk0Xtdz.png)
Went from lowest price possibilities up
Can see a maximum of 4/5/1/5 on each line playing round 1 out of those listed
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: sidvicious on February 10, 2019, 09:28:46 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/fk0Xtdz.png)
Went from lowest price possibilities up
Can see a maximum of 4/5/1/5 on each line playing round 1 out of those listed
With 6.2 million left replace the ones you cant see playing with premos and your on a winner
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on February 10, 2019, 03:40:51 PM
Question for you and other WC supporters, Bailey Williams, how's he going? Thought his DPP might be handy in the event he gets a game?

I'd think he would need multiple injuries to get a look in

Hickey and Vardy will ruck, with McInnes probably being the reserve

NicNat is looking to return around Round 10ish or so I believe as well

Absolutely no hope for bailey Williams

Petrucelle will probably play due to injuries to Cripps and venables.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on February 10, 2019, 03:48:20 PM
Question for you and other WC supporters, Bailey Williams, how's he going? Thought his DPP might be handy in the event he gets a game?

I'd think he would need multiple injuries to get a look in

Hickey and Vardy will ruck, with McInnes probably being the reserve

NicNat is looking to return around Round 10ish or so I believe as well

Absolutely no hope for bailey Williams

Petrucelle will probably play due to injuries to Cripps and venables.

A chance for a game at any stage? Was just toying with the idea of R3 if Fort doesn't play, could be a loophole early & then perhaps make some $$ mid season. I know he's already 98kg & can play forward so can cover two lines.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 10, 2019, 05:02:53 PM
Question for you and other WC supporters, Bailey Williams, how's he going? Thought his DPP might be handy in the event he gets a game?

I'd think he would need multiple injuries to get a look in

Hickey and Vardy will ruck, with McInnes probably being the reserve

NicNat is looking to return around Round 10ish or so I believe as well

Absolutely no hope for bailey Williams

Petrucelle will probably play due to injuries to Cripps and venables.

A chance for a game at any stage? Was just toying with the idea of R3 if Fort doesn't play, could be a loophole early & then perhaps make some $$ mid season. I know he's already 98kg & can play forward so can cover two lines.

Like I said, only chance would be if all of our talls went down, so you'd think he's no chance
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: elephants on February 10, 2019, 05:32:00 PM
Question for you and other WC supporters, Bailey Williams, how's he going? Thought his DPP might be handy in the event he gets a game?

I'd think he would need multiple injuries to get a look in

Hickey and Vardy will ruck, with McInnes probably being the reserve

NicNat is looking to return around Round 10ish or so I believe as well

Absolutely no hope for bailey Williams

Petrucelle will probably play due to injuries to Cripps and venables.

A chance for a game at any stage? Was just toying with the idea of R3 if Fort doesn't play, could be a loophole early & then perhaps make some $$ mid season. I know he's already 98kg & can play forward so can cover two lines.

Like I said, only chance would be if all of our talls went down, so you'd think he's no chance

Pretty sure he is in the rehab group anyway (Williams). Was only doing skills work at a recent open training session. Would be shocked to see him get a game, but hey, our current 3 ruckmen ahead of him are Hickey, Vardy and Brooksby so he's every chance :P
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: enzedder on February 10, 2019, 05:39:25 PM
Michael Gibbons' last 5 #SuperCoach scores in the VFL last season - 128, 125, 171, 135 and 118. #2019AFLProspectus
If he’s named R1 as a 102k mid he may rival Danger as the most popular player.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on February 10, 2019, 06:07:35 PM
Question for you and other WC supporters, Bailey Williams, how's he going? Thought his DPP might be handy in the event he gets a game?

I'd think he would need multiple injuries to get a look in

Hickey and Vardy will ruck, with McInnes probably being the reserve

NicNat is looking to return around Round 10ish or so I believe as well

Absolutely no hope for bailey Williams

Petrucelle will probably play due to injuries to Cripps and venables.

A chance for a game at any stage? Was just toying with the idea of R3 if Fort doesn't play, could be a loophole early & then perhaps make some $$ mid season. I know he's already 98kg & can play forward so can cover two lines.

Like I said, only chance would be if all of our talls went down, so you'd think he's no chance

Pretty sure he is in the rehab group anyway (Williams). Was only doing skills work at a recent open training session. Would be shocked to see him get a game, but hey, our current 3 ruckmen ahead of him are Hickey, Vardy and Brooksby so he's every chance :P

If JJK goes down who's in the pipeline? Just asking because I see Williams as a forward/ruck, from his TAC year he was also the number 1 player for contested marks. Don't see Brander as a genuine KP prospect either, so not sure who plays deep forward.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 10, 2019, 06:18:34 PM
Question for you and other WC supporters, Bailey Williams, how's he going? Thought his DPP might be handy in the event he gets a game?

I'd think he would need multiple injuries to get a look in

Hickey and Vardy will ruck, with McInnes probably being the reserve

NicNat is looking to return around Round 10ish or so I believe as well

Absolutely no hope for bailey Williams

Petrucelle will probably play due to injuries to Cripps and venables.

A chance for a game at any stage? Was just toying with the idea of R3 if Fort doesn't play, could be a loophole early & then perhaps make some $$ mid season. I know he's already 98kg & can play forward so can cover two lines.

Like I said, only chance would be if all of our talls went down, so you'd think he's no chance

Pretty sure he is in the rehab group anyway (Williams). Was only doing skills work at a recent open training session. Would be shocked to see him get a game, but hey, our current 3 ruckmen ahead of him are Hickey, Vardy and Brooksby so he's every chance :P

If JJK goes down who's in the pipeline? Just asking because I see Williams as a forward/ruck, from his TAC year he was also the number 1 player for contested marks. Don't see Brander as a genuine KP prospect either, so not sure who plays deep forward.

Darling, then possibly Vardy

We've got a lot of good smalls too, so similar to recent Richmond really with just Jroo and smalls.

We'll adjust, but either way Williams is a long term prospect and he'd be next to zero chance of playing
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: elephants on February 10, 2019, 10:46:48 PM
Question for you and other WC supporters, Bailey Williams, how's he going? Thought his DPP might be handy in the event he gets a game?

I'd think he would need multiple injuries to get a look in

Hickey and Vardy will ruck, with McInnes probably being the reserve

NicNat is looking to return around Round 10ish or so I believe as well

Absolutely no hope for bailey Williams

Petrucelle will probably play due to injuries to Cripps and venables.

A chance for a game at any stage? Was just toying with the idea of R3 if Fort doesn't play, could be a loophole early & then perhaps make some $$ mid season. I know he's already 98kg & can play forward so can cover two lines.

Like I said, only chance would be if all of our talls went down, so you'd think he's no chance

Pretty sure he is in the rehab group anyway (Williams). Was only doing skills work at a recent open training session. Would be shocked to see him get a game, but hey, our current 3 ruckmen ahead of him are Hickey, Vardy and Brooksby so he's every chance :P

If JJK goes down who's in the pipeline? Just asking because I see Williams as a forward/ruck, from his TAC year he was also the number 1 player for contested marks. Don't see Brander as a genuine KP prospect either, so not sure who plays deep forward.

Yeah pretty much Darling, Vardy then MAllen, Waterman, Brander and OAllen are all key possie prospects that would come in before Williams (would never play 3 rucks, so the JJK point is moot imo)

Would need 2 of Hickey, Vardy and Brooksby to go down and even then I could see us running 1 ruck with JD/Gov chopping out if it's short term.

Then add Nic Nat back into the fold around the byes.

Hes a long long term prospect so all I'm saying is dont hold your breath :p
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on February 11, 2019, 07:16:02 AM
Question for you and other WC supporters, Bailey Williams, how's he going? Thought his DPP might be handy in the event he gets a game?

I'd think he would need multiple injuries to get a look in

Hickey and Vardy will ruck, with McInnes probably being the reserve

NicNat is looking to return around Round 10ish or so I believe as well

Absolutely no hope for bailey Williams

Petrucelle will probably play due to injuries to Cripps and venables.

A chance for a game at any stage? Was just toying with the idea of R3 if Fort doesn't play, could be a loophole early & then perhaps make some $$ mid season. I know he's already 98kg & can play forward so can cover two lines.

Like I said, only chance would be if all of our talls went down, so you'd think he's no chance

Pretty sure he is in the rehab group anyway (Williams). Was only doing skills work at a recent open training session. Would be shocked to see him get a game, but hey, our current 3 ruckmen ahead of him are Hickey, Vardy and Brooksby so he's every chance :P

If JJK goes down who's in the pipeline? Just asking because I see Williams as a forward/ruck, from his TAC year he was also the number 1 player for contested marks. Don't see Brander as a genuine KP prospect either, so not sure who plays deep forward.

Yeah pretty much Darling, Vardy then MAllen, Waterman, Brander and OAllen are all key possie prospects that would come in before Williams (would never play 3 rucks, so the JJK point is moot imo)

Would need 2 of Hickey, Vardy and Brooksby to go down and even then I could see us running 1 ruck with JD/Gov chopping out if it's short term.

Then add Nic Nat back into the fold around the byes.

Hes a long long term prospect so all I'm saying is dont hold your breath :p

I would of thought all of Oscar Allen brander and waterman would be easily ahead of williams at this stage .... trust me boys brander can play. He will be a star of this Comp at some point
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Keeper27 on February 11, 2019, 08:52:08 AM
"CARLTON SIGNINGS

New Carlton recruits Michael Gibbons and Matthew Cottrell have now been added to Supercoach at $102,400. Gibbons is a MID only and Cottrell has DPP status as a MID/FWD.

Do these players make it into your starting team?"
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: SilverLion on February 11, 2019, 08:54:01 AM
"CARLTON SIGNINGS

New Carlton recruits Michael Gibbons and Matthew Cottrell have now been added to Supercoach at $102,400. Gibbons is a MID only and Cottrell has DPP status as a MID/FWD.

Do these players make it into your starting team?"
I mean they're both 102k, so if they play round 1 they'll be in everyone's team ::)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Keeper27 on February 11, 2019, 09:12:40 AM
"CARLTON SIGNINGS

New Carlton recruits Michael Gibbons and Matthew Cottrell have now been added to Supercoach at $102,400. Gibbons is a MID only and Cottrell has DPP status as a MID/FWD.

Do these players make it into your starting team?"
I mean they're both 102k, so if they play round 1 they'll be in everyone's team ::)

 ;D don't shoot the messenger
Just passing on what i saw LOL
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: SilverLion on February 11, 2019, 09:18:09 AM
"CARLTON SIGNINGS

New Carlton recruits Michael Gibbons and Matthew Cottrell have now been added to Supercoach at $102,400. Gibbons is a MID only and Cottrell has DPP status as a MID/FWD.

Do these players make it into your starting team?"
I mean they're both 102k, so if they play round 1 they'll be in everyone's team ::)

 ;D don't shoot the messenger
Just passing on what i saw LOL
Haha yeah was aimed at the person you quoted ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 11, 2019, 10:14:26 AM
if all 3 of Gibbons, Setterfield and Cottrell play rnd 1 would be silly not having them all and since Setters and Cottrel are M/F
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 11, 2019, 10:41:55 AM
if all 3 of Gibbons, Setterfield and Cottrell play rnd 1 would be silly not having them all and since Setters and Cottrel are M/F

Setters and Gibbons yes, Cottrell I'm not sure about yet - no real idea about his SC output. If he plays a role that isn't SC friendly then I won't touch him
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Money Shot on February 11, 2019, 10:46:12 AM
After talking to someone inside Carlton:

Gibbons is extremely likely to line up round 1. Has not missed a beat along with Walsh.

Setterfield is set to start full training this week and is expected to play in the JLT. Tracking along nicely for round 1.

Williamson is a week or so away from full training but will most likely start in the VFL.

Stocker has a lot of work to do to get up to AFL standard. Has to build his tank.

Cottrell adds good depth but unlikely to start round 1.

Goddard isn’t in best 22 at this stage but could start round 1 depending on injuries.

We pretty much knew all that anyways but it is good to know.



Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on February 11, 2019, 11:05:59 AM
Hopefully Williamson doesn't come in like round 2 or 3
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: elephants on February 11, 2019, 05:30:25 PM
Brb putting the house on Walsh for rising star
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ringo on February 11, 2019, 07:13:59 PM
Also Richmond Player Sydney Stack added as mid only at $102,400
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Fid on February 12, 2019, 03:28:19 PM
I bloke at work was raving about Callum Wilkie, St Kilda's 22 year old rookie who played for Nth Adelaide and starred in the GF last year.

Last seasons highlight package looks pretty good


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRCxK71RDnk


Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 12, 2019, 03:29:45 PM
I bloke at work was raving about Callum Wilkie, St Kilda's 22 year old rookie who played for Nth Adelaide and starred in the GF last year.

Last seasons highlight package looks pretty good


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRCxK71RDnk

Yeah Wilkie will play for sure at one point this year. I was hoping he would start R1, but last I've heard he might be a better chance of being a downgrade target for us
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Fid on February 12, 2019, 03:36:22 PM
I bloke at work was raving about Callum Wilkie, St Kilda's 22 year old rookie who played for Nth Adelaide and starred in the GF last year.

Last seasons highlight package looks pretty good


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRCxK71RDnk

Yeah Wilkie will play for sure at one point this year. I was hoping he would start R1, but last I've heard he might be a better chance of being a downgrade target for us

What did you hear RD?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Nige on February 12, 2019, 03:58:49 PM
I bloke at work was raving about Callum Wilkie, St Kilda's 22 year old rookie who played for Nth Adelaide and starred in the GF last year.

Last seasons highlight package looks pretty good


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRCxK71RDnk

Yeah Wilkie will play for sure at one point this year. I was hoping he would start R1, but last I've heard he might be a better chance of being a downgrade target for us

What did you hear RD?

he might be a better chance of being a downgrade target for us
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 12, 2019, 04:12:54 PM
Lel Nige

It was nothing major Fid - might have been "The Phantom" suggesting that he might be a downgrade option as the Saints seem to have quite a few running defenders now, and Hind would get the nod over him

Found this too

While also falling short in the race to snare Dylan Shiel, Richardson believes the next wave of St Kilda midfielders could be unearthed internally due to the arrival of readymade talent. 

"What it's given us are some tools and some choice, potentially," Richardson said. 

"(We say) OK, you blokes (Parker and Young), you're probably going to play forward initially, that might allow (Jade) Gresham and (Jack) Billings to play more midfield. 
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 12, 2019, 04:23:13 PM
interesting so young hould be an option for us to along with parker who we expected to be playing
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Keeper27 on February 12, 2019, 04:24:56 PM
(Jack) Billings to play more midfield.

Im personally glad that i didnt jump on the Billings train last year but he's really gotta show some quality mid time in the JLT before he even gets a look.

for his price I'd rather scrounge another 40K and grab Walters or jack Martin TBH
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: shaker on February 12, 2019, 04:28:16 PM
(Jack) Billings to play more midfield.

Im personally glad that i didnt jump on the Billings train last year but he's really gotta show some quality mid time in the JLT before he even gets a look.

for his price I'd rather scrounge another 40K and grab Walters or jack Martin TBH
This has flower all to do with rookies but Gresham might be a better pick than Billings
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 13, 2019, 05:33:32 PM
Valente running straight lines still and not participating so we can put a line through him (although I think most expected he wouldn't play R1 anyway)

Luke Meadows from West Perth is being touted as a possible player that Hawthorn might draft in, and could be a Titch replacement

Averaged 109SC last year, maturer ager too
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Fid on February 13, 2019, 07:43:17 PM
Valente running straight lines still and not participating so we can put a line through him (although I think most expected he wouldn't play R1 anyway)

Luke Meadows from West Perth is being touted as a possible player that Hawthorn might draft in, and could be a Titch replacement

Averaged 109SC last year, maturer ager too

Thanks RD.  Any news on Tobe Watson?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 13, 2019, 07:49:45 PM
and North?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 13, 2019, 08:25:42 PM
I haven't heard squat about either, so I am not expecting any of them to be a chance of lining up R1

Just because Cerra mentioned North, I'm not sure that's really much to get our hopes up on

Bewley and Logue would be the likely Freo's rookies/cheap guys to play R1 I would have thought
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on February 13, 2019, 11:22:31 PM
I'm curious with LDU but from what I read North are likely to ease him in and he could see an early VFL stint which would put a line through him. Probably enough mid rookies though not to worry. Walsh as an expensive option is teasing me
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: frenzy on February 14, 2019, 11:32:11 AM
I think the McKay twin at North will get games this season, as he's touted as Thompsons replacement who should retire this year. So they'll need to get games into him. And now Tarrant has done a shoulder, I would put the house on it McKay will play Rnd 1.          Ben McKay $123k DEF keep an eye on him in JLT.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Holz on February 14, 2019, 03:28:43 PM
I think the McKay twin at North will get games this season, as he's touted as Thompsons replacement who should retire this year. So they'll need to get games into him. And now Tarrant has done a shoulder, I would put the house on it McKay will play Rnd 1.          Ben McKay $123k DEF keep an eye on him in JLT.

certainly one to keep an eye on.

EVW i think comes in for Daw and Tarrant is supposed to be back for round 1.

Durdin will be back healthy at some point too and put pressure on Mckay if he gets a spot and doesnt peform.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: frenzy on February 14, 2019, 03:48:10 PM
I think the McKay twin at North will get games this season, as he's touted as Thompsons replacement who should retire this year. So they'll need to get games into him. And now Tarrant has done a shoulder, I would put the house on it McKay will play Rnd 1.          Ben McKay $123k DEF keep an eye on him in JLT.

certainly one to keep an eye on.

EVW i think comes in for Daw and Tarrant is supposed to be back for round 1.

Durdin will be back healthy at some point too and put pressure on Mckay if he gets a spot and doesnt peform.

found this today after i posted, but still think McKay is frontrunner.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-02-14/roos-consider-state-league-talent-to-bolster-backline


Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: StuL on February 14, 2019, 06:37:35 PM
Wigg out for the season. Scratch him from your plans. Sometimes it seems like it's just not meant to be.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/gold-coast/gold-coast-sun-harrison-wigg-to-miss-season-after-knee-injury-shock/news-story/e6d0317a81b5269a6ee7f18656d12d7e
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ricochet on February 15, 2019, 07:19:27 PM
Luke Meadows from West Perth is being touted as a possible player that Hawthorn might draft in, and could be a Titch replacement

Averaged 109SC last year, maturer ager too
Can play
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Gigantor on February 15, 2019, 08:01:02 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-02-15/power-draftees-shine-in-impressive-intraclub-hitout

Going to be so many rookies playing RD1  ::)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on February 15, 2019, 09:59:27 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-02-15/power-draftees-shine-in-impressive-intraclub-hitout

Going to be so many rookies playing RD1  ::)

Duursma on a wing sounds like like the pick of the bunch!
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ringo on February 16, 2019, 06:07:46 AM
From a Brisbane perspective based on intra club I would say only Ely Smith from the new draftees would be chance,

From others that are rookie priced due to not yet playing Connor McFadyen, Jack Payne, Sam Skinner, Connor Ballandeen may be chances as well. 

Zac Bailey was another standout but at $275k may be a little expensive but has the F/M DPP. Think based on the Intraclub he would be in front of Lincoln McCarthy.  In the last intraclub he was also used across HB,


Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Money Shot on February 16, 2019, 07:43:39 AM
From a Brisbane perspective based on intra club I would say only Ely Smith from the new draftees would be chance,

From others that are rookie priced due to not yet playing Connor McFadyen, Jack Payne, Sam Skinner, Connor Ballandeen may be chances as well. 

Zac Bailey was another standout but at $275k may be a little expensive but has the F/M DPP. Think based on the Intraclub he would be in front of Lincoln McCarthy.  In the last intraclub he was also used across HB,
Had Smith plonked at M7-M9 all season. Kid looks like a jet.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 16, 2019, 07:45:52 AM
I've been pretty dire about the def rookies, and have constantly said that we'd need to go deeper down back

I stand by that, in terms of cheaper rookies because I still think Burgess and Hore are the only two with a chance to play R1

But, it is starting to look like we should have enough of the pricier ones

Rozee, Collins, Logue, Quaynor and possibly Duursma are all looking good, and Darcy Moore (240k) is also a real option

I think we can safely place 3 of these pricier guys at D4-6 now, and Duursma/Burgess/Hore for the bench
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Money Shot on February 16, 2019, 08:37:14 AM
I've been pretty dire about the def rookies, and have constantly said that we'd need to go deeper down back

I stand by that, in terms of cheaper rookies because I still think Burgess and Hore are the only two with a chance to play R1

But, it is starting to look like we should have enough of the pricier ones

Rozee, Collins, Logue, Quaynor and possibly Duursma are all looking good, and Darcy Moore (240k) is also a real option

I think we can safely place 3 of these pricier guys at D4-6 now, and Duursma/Burgess/Hore for the bench
I think McLennan from GC is a good chance as well. Kid can play.

I heard good things about Tobe Watson early as well but haven’t heard much since which isn’t usually the best.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: ben_020285 on February 16, 2019, 10:13:41 AM
I've been pretty dire about the def rookies, and have constantly said that we'd need to go deeper down back

I stand by that, in terms of cheaper rookies because I still think Burgess and Hore are the only two with a chance to play R1

But, it is starting to look like we should have enough of the pricier ones

Rozee, Collins, Logue, Quaynor and possibly Duursma are all looking good, and Darcy Moore (240k) is also a real option

I think we can safely place 3 of these pricier guys at D4-6 now, and Duursma/Burgess/Hore for the bench
I think McLennan from GC is a good chance as well. Kid can play.

I heard good things about Tobe Watson early as well but haven’t heard much since which isn’t usually the best.

McLennan and Watson next to no chance of playing round 1 at this stage.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 16, 2019, 12:08:10 PM
I think McLennan from GC is a good chance as well. Kid can play.

I heard good things about Tobe Watson early as well but haven’t heard much since which isn’t usually the best.

McLennan and Watson next to no chance of playing round 1 at this stage.

For some reason McLennan is getting hyped because GC traded up to get him in the draft and really wanted him

That's what is giving people false hope. Just because they wanted him doesn't mean he just plays Round 1

I have literally not heard a single thing about him come out of GC all summer, so I completely agree with you Ben

Collins and Burgess are the only two Suns that are a chance
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ringo on February 16, 2019, 01:34:49 PM
I think McLennan from GC is a good chance as well. Kid can play.

I heard good things about Tobe Watson early as well but haven’t heard much since which isn’t usually the best.

McLennan and Watson next to no chance of playing round 1 at this stage.

For some reason McLennan is getting hyped because GC traded up to get him in the draft and really wanted him

That's what is giving people false hope. Just because they wanted him doesn't mean he just plays Round 1

I have literally not heard a single thing about him come out of GC all summer, so I completely agree with you Ben

Collins and Burgess are the only two Suns that are a chance
Agree McLennan next to no chance of playing.

Not even a mention in this article on Suns defence so quite a few ahead of him. Also interestingly Collins not mentioned either,

http://www.goldcoastfc.com.au/news/2019-02-15/drummonds-defenders-cause-for-opposition-doubt
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 17, 2019, 08:57:48 AM
The coach stopped short of declaring Hore, an intercepting defender recruited from Collingwood's VFL side as a mature-age player, and Sparrow, a powerful 18-year-old midfielder, as chances for an early season debut, but revealed both were in calculations to see some pre-season action.

"Marty's a little more mature and he's had to find his way after missing out on the draft three times. He's had a really good summer and he's really emerging in our group and understanding the way we play," Goodwin said.

"Tom Sparrow similarly. He's come in, he's done the work and he's embraced what we do, and he's getting a great understanding of what is required.

"We certainly won't be putting pressure on our new players or our draftees to come in and play. They'll play when they're ready."
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: oh_lol on February 17, 2019, 04:22:27 PM
How many are going with Walsh? Pretty expensive, what would he need to average to get similar price rises to a decent low priced rookie?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Gigantor on February 17, 2019, 04:38:20 PM
How many are going with Walsh? Pretty expensive, what would he need to average to get similar price rises to a decent low priced rookie?
You pick someone like Walsh for the js and consistent slow burn not massive cash generation
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Spite on February 17, 2019, 04:43:12 PM
"CARLTON SIGNINGS

New Carlton recruits Michael Gibbons and Matthew Cottrell have now been added to Supercoach at $102,400. Gibbons is a MID only and Cottrell has DPP status as a MID/FWD.

Do these players make it into your starting team?"
I mean they're both 102k, so if they play round 1 they'll be in everyone's team ::)

 ;D don't shoot the messenger
Just passing on what i saw LOL
Haha yeah was aimed at the person you quoted ;)

Lol eff off mate, just because they’re cheap doesn’t mean you’re forced to select them. If they have poor JS then it doesn’t matter the cost, they won’t be worth it. Lachie Murphy 102k last year rings a bell, certainly better options about than him.

And just to be to clear, this is aimed at SilverLion, not the person you quoted ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 17, 2019, 05:04:14 PM
How many are going with Walsh? Pretty expensive, what would he need to average to get similar price rises to a decent low priced rookie?
You pick someone like Walsh for the js and consistent slow burn not massive cash generation

Walsh looks like he will certainly be a really good player, but at his price you'd need regular 80+ scores to get that cash gen moving. A few sub 70 scores and it's disastrous, so for that reason I'm not starting him, especially because I'm confident I'll have enough cheap mid rookies to select
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: frenzy on February 17, 2019, 06:29:46 PM
I think the McKay twin at North will get games this season, as he's touted as Thompsons replacement who should retire this year. So they'll need to get games into him. And now Tarrant has done a shoulder, I would put the house on it McKay will play Rnd 1.          Ben McKay $123k DEF keep an eye on him in JLT.

certainly one to keep an eye on.

EVW i think comes in for Daw and Tarrant is supposed to be back for round 1.

Durdin will be back healthy at some point too and put pressure on Mckay if he gets a spot and doesnt peform.

Forgot to mention Thompson's out suspension first two rounds, McKay is a monty.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 17, 2019, 07:22:40 PM
I think the McKay twin at North will get games this season, as he's touted as Thompsons replacement who should retire this year. So they'll need to get games into him. And now Tarrant has done a shoulder, I would put the house on it McKay will play Rnd 1.          Ben McKay $123k DEF keep an eye on him in JLT.

certainly one to keep an eye on.

EVW i think comes in for Daw and Tarrant is supposed to be back for round 1.

Durdin will be back healthy at some point too and put pressure on Mckay if he gets a spot and doesnt peform.

Forgot to mention Thompson's out suspension first two rounds, McKay is a monty.

Monty to be dropped before he makes any cash?  :P
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: frenzy on February 17, 2019, 08:16:06 PM
I think the McKay twin at North will get games this season, as he's touted as Thompsons replacement who should retire this year. So they'll need to get games into him. And now Tarrant has done a shoulder, I would put the house on it McKay will play Rnd 1.          Ben McKay $123k DEF keep an eye on him in JLT.

certainly one to keep an eye on.

EVW i think comes in for Daw and Tarrant is supposed to be back for round 1.

Durdin will be back healthy at some point too and put pressure on Mckay if he gets a spot and doesnt peform.

Forgot to mention Thompson's out suspension first two rounds, McKay is a monty.

Monty to be dropped before he makes any cash?  :P

Can happen to the best of them.  ;)

Just curious, do you have an insider at the VFL?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 20, 2019, 03:11:25 PM
Cats pair Tom Atkins and recruit Gary Rohan both assumed roles in the front half.

Midfielder Charlie Constable clocked up big minutes in the midfield alongside Dangerfield
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on February 20, 2019, 03:44:19 PM
Cats pair Tom Atkins and recruit Gary Rohan both assumed roles in the front half.

Midfielder Charlie Constable clocked up big minutes in the midfield alongside Dangerfield

Juicy
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: TableKing on February 20, 2019, 05:27:29 PM
Cats pair Tom Atkins and recruit Gary Rohan both assumed roles in the front half.

Midfielder Charlie Constable clocked up big minutes in the midfield alongside Dangerfield

Yeah great but how did Charlie go??
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RoughRed on February 20, 2019, 08:18:14 PM

.... trust me boys brander can play. He will be a star of this Comp at some point
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+1
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 20, 2019, 10:21:10 PM
brander who?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RoughRed on February 20, 2019, 11:54:37 PM
brander who?
https://m.westcoasteagles.com.au/news/2017-11-24/pick-13-jarrod-brander
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: elephants on February 21, 2019, 09:19:57 AM
brander who?

classic pricktorian bias, and Brander is Victorian!
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 21, 2019, 11:23:37 AM
Atley and Ling were small chances of Round 1 debut's but both are no chance with injuries now

Corbett was a lock, but he's now injured too which means he'll be likely to start in the NEAFL as he is out for 4 weeks now :'(

Pretty big out - was an important fwd rookie
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: HappyDEZ on February 21, 2019, 12:26:12 PM
Cats pair Tom Atkins and recruit Gary Rohan both assumed roles in the front half.

Midfielder Charlie Constable clocked up big minutes in the midfield alongside Dangerfield
Sounds good. I was hoping Atkins could get a small pressure forward role AKA ZGL Puopolo etc. due to his elite tackling numbers in the VFL. There is a spot there with Lincoln & Menzel gone. FF: Ablett Hawkins Atkins for Round 1? Wishful thinking? I will settle for a spot on the bench.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: HappyDEZ on February 21, 2019, 12:49:53 PM
Atley and Ling were small chances of Round 1 debut's but both are no chance with injuries now

Corbett was a lock, but he's now injured too which means he'll be likely to start in the NEAFL as he is out for 4 weeks now :'(

Pretty big out - was an important fwd rookie
FWD rookies looking dodgy now with no Corbett. Most including myself have Cavarra & Parker but I doubt either will get a gig round 1. Hopefully Petracelle gets a gig. I think Stoddart for a little extra might get a gig. Tho probs only scores 45 - 50 at best. Rozee plays but he aint cheap. Goes to show what a complete waste of time it is tinkering with your team until the Round 1 rookies are named. The entire structure has to be catered to which ones in what positions actually get named. At this stage I think I may have to axe 2 premo mids for 2 extra premo fwds with Setters going from F3 to F5.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Pokerface on February 21, 2019, 01:00:13 PM
Atley and Ling were small chances of Round 1 debut's but both are no chance with injuries now

Corbett was a lock, but he's now injured too which means he'll be likely to start in the NEAFL as he is out for 4 weeks now :'(

Pretty big out - was an important fwd rookie
FWD rookies looking dodgy now with no Corbett. Most including myself have Cavarra & Parker but I doubt either will get a gig round 1. Hopefully Petracelle gets a gig. I think Stoddart for a little extra might get a gig. Tho probs only scores 45 - 50 at best. Rozee plays but he aint cheap. Goes to show what a complete waste of time it is tinkering with your team until the Round 1 rookies are named. The entire structure has to be catered to which ones in what positions actually get named. At this stage I think I may have to axe 2 premo mids for 2 extra premo fwds with Setters going from F3 to F5.

If Setters doesn't get up for round 1 (definite possibility) I may be fielding Moore at F6 
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 21, 2019, 01:01:55 PM
brander who?

classic pricktorian bias, and Brander is Victorian!

(https://imgur.com/CUTuZzh.png)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: enzedder on February 21, 2019, 01:12:29 PM
Seb Ross on Matt Parker, FWD ($117.3k) yesterday ... “he can come through the midfield and he’s a really hard match-up. He’s long and rangy, but also super quick and can really jump and take marks.  And he’s really fit, so we should be able to get a lot out of him as well."
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: enzedder on February 21, 2019, 01:20:25 PM
I think the McKay twin at North will get games this season, as he's touted as Thompsons replacement who should retire this year. So they'll need to get games into him. And now Tarrant has done a shoulder, I would put the house on it McKay will play Rnd 1.          Ben McKay $123k DEF keep an eye on him in JLT.

certainly one to keep an eye on.

EVW i think comes in for Daw and Tarrant is supposed to be back for round 1.

Durdin will be back healthy at some point too and put pressure on Mckay if he gets a spot and doesnt peform.

Forgot to mention Thompson's out suspension first two rounds, McKay is a monty.

Monty to be dropped before he makes any cash?  :P
Just read on Twitter that Durdin has injured his finger opening some food.
North Melbourne is set to ban him from using metal utensils from now on.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Football Factory on February 21, 2019, 01:27:13 PM
These guys might have half a chance of playing round 1 ? I don't know how they fit into best 22 though?

Robert Young - Stk

Taken with pick No. 67 in the 2018 NAB AFL Draft, Young is a speed machine who is renowned for his defensive pressure and goal-sense. The 23-year-old was part of North Adelaide’s premiership side in 2018 and impressed with Port Adelaide before joining the Roosters.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-23/saints-go-for-readymade-players-with-matureaged-trio


Shane McAdam - Adel

Initially selected by Carlton as a mature-aged pre-draft access pick, Shane McAdam was quickly traded to the Crows in 2018. A medium-sized forward, McAdam equaled Nic Naitanui’s running vertical jump record at the 2015 Draft Combine but was overlooked. He booted 31 goals in 17 games for Sturt in a superb 2017 SANFL season, catching the attention of Adelaide’s recruiting team

http://www.afc.com.au/news/2018-10-11/shane-mcadams-rise-to-the-afl
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Fid on February 21, 2019, 01:40:03 PM
These guys might have half a chance of playing round 1 ? I don't know how they fit into best 22 though?

Robert Young - Stk

Taken with pick No. 67 in the 2018 NAB AFL Draft, Young is a speed machine who is renowned for his defensive pressure and goal-sense. The 23-year-old was part of North Adelaide’s premiership side in 2018 and impressed with Port Adelaide before joining the Roosters.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-23/saints-go-for-readymade-players-with-matureaged-trio


Shane McAdam - Adel

Initially selected by Carlton as a mature-aged pre-draft access pick, Shane McAdam was quickly traded to the Crows in 2018. A medium-sized forward, McAdam equaled Nic Naitanui’s running vertical jump record at the 2015 Draft Combine but was overlooked. He booted 31 goals in 17 games for Sturt in a superb 2017 SANFL season, catching the attention of Adelaide’s recruiting team

http://www.afc.com.au/news/2018-10-11/shane-mcadams-rise-to-the-afl

Young has played 62 games in the SANFL and has kicked 60 goals with an average of 10 disposals and 62 Champion Data points a match 
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 21, 2019, 04:27:17 PM
Pretty sure McAdam is no chance at the moment. Can't remember what and where I read something about him, but I remember it being pretty firm that he is next to no chance of playing Round 1

Can't see both Parker and Young starting either - so just have Parker as the place holder currently

Rozee and Rankine cost too much, Petrucelle a decent chance but you wouldn't want him on field at all and Cavarra/Setters are not locks at all

I'll go with Setters F5, Parker F6 and Cavarra/Petrucelle on the bench for now. Not great, but surely 4 rookies get up

And you're spot on DEZ, it is a waste of time as we need to wait on rookies, but we're all SC junkies so it's a fun waste of time ;)

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 21, 2019, 04:39:24 PM
Actually, I forgot about Dylan Moore - I just replaced Corbett with him

I heard he was doing well this summer, and just read that he is doing very well in the match vs Carlton right now too

Sam Walsh also looking very good according to observers at the match



Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Pokerface on February 21, 2019, 07:05:08 PM
Pretty sure McAdam is no chance at the moment. Can't remember what and where I read something about him, but I remember it being pretty firm that he is next to no chance of playing Round 1

Can't see both Parker and Young starting either - so just have Parker as the place holder currently

Rozee and Rankine cost too much, Petrucelle a decent chance but you wouldn't want him on field at all and Cavarra/Setters are not locks at all

I'll go with Setters F5, Parker F6 and Cavarra/Petrucelle on the bench for now. Not great, but surely 4 rookies get up

And you're spot on DEZ, it is a waste of time as we need to wait on rookies, but we're all SC junkies so it's a fun waste of time ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Pokerface on February 21, 2019, 07:07:06 PM
McAdam is next to no chance to start for Adelaide, but McHenry is quite possible.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ricochet on February 21, 2019, 07:57:35 PM
Julian de Stoop -
Big wraps on James Cousins internally @HawthornFC and was very impressive against @CarltonFC this afternoon

Shame he's 220k
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 21, 2019, 08:32:21 PM
Julian de Stoop -
Big wraps on James Cousins internally @HawthornFC and was very impressive against @CarltonFC this afternoon

Shame he's 220k

Yep, sounding like Cousins and Worp will spend a lot of time in the mid

Another name I keep hearing out of Hawthorn as well is Harry Jones - several times I've heard good things, and as a 123k DEF he could be a saviour
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on February 21, 2019, 08:51:34 PM
Actually, I forgot about Dylan Moore - I just replaced Corbett with him

I heard he was doing well this summer, and just read that he is doing very well in the match vs Carlton right now too

Sam Walsh also looking very good according to observers at the match
Can't wait to get his 40ppg

Julian de Stoop -
Big wraps on James Cousins internally @HawthornFC and was very impressive against @CarltonFC this afternoon

Shame he's 220k

Yep, sounding like Cousins and Worp will spend a lot of time in the mid

Another name I keep hearing out of Hawthorn as well is Harry Jones - several times I've heard good things, and as a 123k DEF he could be a saviour
Cousins is a jet. Jones is ok.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: elephants on February 21, 2019, 11:35:48 PM
Julian de Stoop -
Big wraps on James Cousins internally @HawthornFC and was very impressive against @CarltonFC this afternoon

Shame he's 220k

Big on this, wouldn't be surprised to see him go past Worp this year, hot take time
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: AaronKirk on February 22, 2019, 12:39:34 AM
Julian de Stoop -
Big wraps on James Cousins internally @HawthornFC and was very impressive against @CarltonFC this afternoon

Shame he's 220k

Yep, sounding like Cousins and Worp will spend a lot of time in the mid

Another name I keep hearing out of Hawthorn as well is Harry Jones - several times I've heard good things, and as a 123k DEF he could be a saviour

Jones spent a lot of time starting in the Centre bounces in the scratch game yesterday. Could be a defensive placeholder for now.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on February 22, 2019, 09:11:25 AM
Blakely will play Round 1, already slotted 2 goals today after an early injury scare. 160k but probably wont score much. Better than no rookie
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: elephants on February 22, 2019, 09:12:44 AM
Blakely will play Round 1, already slotted 2 goals today after an early injury scare. 160k but probably wont score much. Better than no rookie

Buddy touch and go for round 1 and Menzel a few weeks behind him. Blakely premo fwd 2019
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Football Factory on February 22, 2019, 09:49:44 AM
Pretty sure McAdam is no chance at the moment. Can't remember what and where I read something about him, but I remember it being pretty firm that he is next to no chance of playing Round 1

Can't see both Parker and Young starting either - so just have Parker as the place holder currently


Rozee and Rankine cost too much, Petrucelle a decent chance but you wouldn't want him on field at all and Cavarra/Setters are not locks at all

I'll go with Setters F5, Parker F6 and Cavarra/Petrucelle on the bench for now. Not great, but surely 4 rookies get up

And you're spot on DEZ, it is a waste of time as we need to wait on rookies, but we're all SC junkies so it's a fun waste of time ;)

Yeah fair enough, just grasping at anything here lol, was hoping to start a couple of rooks in my forward line. AFL Fantasy and DT though not Supercoach.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on February 22, 2019, 03:46:04 PM
Blakely will play Round 1, already slotted 2 goals today after an early injury scare. 160k but probably wont score much. Better than no rookie

Buddy touch and go for round 1 and Menzel a few weeks behind him. Blakely premo fwd 2019

Horse was asked about him recently and sung his praises but also said

"We're still mindful that he's only young and he'll still take time to build up physically so we consider that to be a priority for him. We believe he'll play some senior footy this year, not sure how much, but we're also aware that he needs to build up physically to withstand the rigours of AFL play"



Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ricochet on February 23, 2019, 01:35:45 PM
Willem Drew apparently was very impressive in the Port/Adelaide U23 scratchie. Could be a RD1 chance with Wines out
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on February 23, 2019, 01:43:10 PM
Willem Drew apparently was very impressive in the Port/Adelaide U23 scratchie. Could be a RD1 chance with Wines out

Very strong at the contest, would be a good pick I think.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 23, 2019, 01:44:38 PM
Willem Drew apparently was very impressive in the Port/Adelaide U23 scratchie. Could be a RD1 chance with Wines out


dont tell ringo
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 23, 2019, 01:54:52 PM
Best from Saints intra; Savage, McCartin, Roberton, Seaton (Sandringham), Joyce, Clark, Parker.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ringo on February 23, 2019, 02:02:55 PM
Willem Drew apparently was very impressive in the Port/Adelaide U23 scratchie. Could be a RD1 chance with Wines out


dont tell ringo
Put him on my watch list to replace Corbett.  ;D
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 23, 2019, 02:21:53 PM
Shane McAdam kicked 3 goals in trial game vs port to
him and Drew a chance for rnd 1
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 23, 2019, 02:56:45 PM
From Lee Gaskin

"McHenry was impressive. Covered a lot of ground and kicked a classy goal. Duursma did some nice things as well"
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 24, 2019, 06:17:44 PM
if i see another team with Hind and Gibbons on the bench i'm gonna lose my sh1t
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ringo on February 24, 2019, 06:25:11 PM
if i see another team with Hind and Gibbons on the bench i'm gonna lose my sh1t
Most people are only filling spots and will adjust when Rd 1 teams are named. Is Gibbons guaranteed a start Rd 1 for example. Judgement calls will be made as well.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 24, 2019, 06:32:05 PM
if i see another team with Hind and Gibbons on the bench i'm gonna lose my sh1t
Most people are only filling spots and will adjust when Rd 1 teams are named. Is Gibbons guaranteed a start Rd 1 for example. Judgement calls will be made as well.

it's disrespectful
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Football Factory on February 24, 2019, 06:59:36 PM
if i see another team with Hind and Gibbons on the bench i'm gonna lose my sh1t

You want people to start them?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: elephants on February 25, 2019, 09:42:41 AM
if i see another team with Hind and Gibbons on the bench i'm gonna lose my sh1t
Most people are only filling spots and will adjust when Rd 1 teams are named. Is Gibbons guaranteed a start Rd 1 for example. Judgement calls will be made as well.

it's disrespectful

Meh at this point most teams are sorted by price order
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Holz on February 25, 2019, 11:19:42 AM
if i see another team with Hind and Gibbons on the bench i'm gonna lose my sh1t
Most people are only filling spots and will adjust when Rd 1 teams are named. Is Gibbons guaranteed a start Rd 1 for example. Judgement calls will be made as well.

it's disrespectful

Meh at this point most teams are sorted by price order

you dont need to have them on the field you just need to have them in your squad. Not every one of these mid rookies will kill it. plus you will likely be dropping 1-2 of them in the first 6-7 and then carrying the rest of them till the byes.

there will be injuries/suspensions to deal with too so just as long as you own the good rookies you will be fine.

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: jvalles69 on February 25, 2019, 03:25:03 PM
Throwing out Cousins as an alternate for Walsh at the same price point.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 25, 2019, 04:18:05 PM
Throwing out Cousins as an alternate for Walsh at the same price point.

I've actually got both Cousins and Walsh in the moment, but it's purely just place holding still. Both options, but I need to see more before making a call on them

Cousins, having been in the system longer, and with no Titch around seems like the front runner for mine. 75+ a real chance if he holds down a spot in the mids, and at 219k he should make some cash too but still need to see more before committing
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Pokerface on February 25, 2019, 04:40:44 PM
Throwing out Cousins as an alternate for Walsh at the same price point.

I've actually got both Cousins and Walsh in the moment, but it's purely just place holding still. Both options, but I need to see more before making a call on them

Cousins, having been in the system longer, and with no Titch around seems like the front runner for mine. 75+ a real chance if he holds down a spot in the mids, and at 219k he should make some cash too but still need to see more before committing

If you knew he would play each week he is a great pick. And it's definitely possible. But I don't think it's certain. Too much of a selection/rotation risk. Clarko has definitely been known to drop well-performing younger players after a few games.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on February 25, 2019, 04:55:17 PM
Throwing out Cousins as an alternate for Walsh at the same price point.

I've actually got both Cousins and Walsh in the moment, but it's purely just place holding still. Both options, but I need to see more before making a call on them

Cousins, having been in the system longer, and with no Titch around seems like the front runner for mine. 75+ a real chance if he holds down a spot in the mids, and at 219k he should make some cash too but still need to see more before committing

If you knew he would play each week he is a great pick. And it's definitely possible. But I don't think it's certain. Too much of a selection/rotation risk. Clarko has definitely been known to drop well-performing younger players after a few games.

When has he dropped well performing younger players? He definitely doesn't play them early on, he makes the younger guys really earn their spots but once they earn it they tend to stay there... Just look at Morrison, Hardwick, Sicily, Worpel etc. Cousins has been in the system a while now but never really cracked into the 22. This is his year.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on February 25, 2019, 06:34:41 PM
Throwing out Cousins as an alternate for Walsh at the same price point.

I've actually got both Cousins and Walsh in the moment, but it's purely just place holding still. Both options, but I need to see more before making a call on them

Cousins, having been in the system longer, and with no Titch around seems like the front runner for mine. 75+ a real chance if he holds down a spot in the mids, and at 219k he should make some cash too but still need to see more before committing

If you knew he would play each week he is a great pick. And it's definitely possible. But I don't think it's certain. Too much of a selection/rotation risk. Clarko has definitely been known to drop well-performing younger players after a few games.

When has he dropped well performing younger players? He definitely doesn't play them early on, he makes the younger guys really earn their spots but once they earn it they tend to stay there... Just look at Morrison, Hardwick, Sicily, Worpel etc. Cousins has been in the system a while now but never really cracked into the 22. This is his year.

Would be an automatic selection in fwd ...

I have always liked him and the potential he promises.

Hard to pick.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Pokerface on February 25, 2019, 07:48:35 PM
Throwing out Cousins as an alternate for Walsh at the same price point.

I've actually got both Cousins and Walsh in the moment, but it's purely just place holding still. Both options, but I need to see more before making a call on them

Cousins, having been in the system longer, and with no Titch around seems like the front runner for mine. 75+ a real chance if he holds down a spot in the mids, and at 219k he should make some cash too but still need to see more before committing

If you knew he would play each week he is a great pick. And it's definitely possible. But I don't think it's certain. Too much of a selection/rotation risk. Clarko has definitely been known to drop well-performing younger players after a few games.

When has he dropped well performing younger players? He definitely doesn't play them early on, he makes the younger guys really earn their spots but once they earn it they tend to stay there... Just look at Morrison, Hardwick, Sicily, Worpel etc. Cousins has been in the system a while now but never really cracked into the 22. This is his year.

Over the past couple of seasons Howe, Brand, Mirra (conceded he wasn't young), Worpel, Cousins, Miles as promising developing players have only needed one or two sub-par performances (or in some cases reasonable games) to be out the following week.
I'm probably wrong, and would love to see Cousins go bang. If he plays it will be predominately mid. But they can't all be taking Titch's spot, and Harry Jones is another giving competition for that spot.
For my SC team, I just don't think it's a risk worth taking when Walsh is guaranteed if uninjured (am not considering both).
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on February 25, 2019, 07:57:35 PM
I've actually got both Cousins and Walsh in the moment, but it's purely just place holding still. Both options, but I need to see more before making a call on them

Cousins, having been in the system longer, and with no Titch around seems like the front runner for mine. 75+ a real chance if he holds down a spot in the mids, and at 219k he should make some cash too but still need to see more before committing

Same. There appears to be a lot of potential mid rookies. The 200k guys generally don't make a ton of cash quickly off the bat, but you're paying for the increase in points. I am going to the game on Thursday and really keen to check out Walsh. Everything says he will be in the engine room from day dot and it makes me think he is a can't miss rookie.

Cousins fits the other group of guys you want to pick. Heading into their 2nd or third season, moderately priced with opportunity available. He hasn't had big numbers yet in his 9 or so games, but he is definitely worth holding as a place holder.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: SilverLion on February 25, 2019, 08:00:27 PM
Throwing out Cousins as an alternate for Walsh at the same price point.
Reminds me of Brodie vs. Brayshaw last year.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Holz on February 26, 2019, 07:44:55 AM
Im certainly looking at cousins but being the number 1 pick (walsh) he will get given chances that other players wont just because they know fans want to see him play. Also it doesnt seems like much but cousins at 12,600 more is sizeable

most people i talk to seem to really rate the mid rookies.

Hind Gibbons Bewley look great but besides them im not sure who really stand up. Constable or Atkins look alright if they can get games but outside of them im seeing alot more cheap fwds and cheapish defenders.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Pokerface on February 26, 2019, 06:20:55 PM
Im certainly looking at cousins but being the number 1 pick (walsh) he will get given chances that other players wont just because they know fans want to see him play. Also it doesnt seems like much but cousins at 12,600 more is sizeable

most people i talk to seem to really rate the mid rookies.

Hind Gibbons Bewley look great but besides them im not sure who really stand up. Constable or Atkins look alright if they can get games but outside of them im seeing alot more cheap fwds and cheapish defenders.

Bit pricier but Hately will be a gun. In your Constable/Atkins bracket, but it's being well spruiked there is mid room at GWS
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ricochet on February 26, 2019, 06:23:03 PM
Im certainly looking at cousins but being the number 1 pick (walsh) he will get given chances that other players wont just because they know fans want to see him play. Also it doesnt seems like much but cousins at 12,600 more is sizeable

most people i talk to seem to really rate the mid rookies.

Hind Gibbons Bewley look great but besides them im not sure who really stand up. Constable or Atkins look alright if they can get games but outside of them im seeing alot more cheap fwds and cheapish defenders.

Bit pricier but Hately will be a gun. In your Constable/Atkins bracket, but it's being well spruiked there is mid room at GWS
Could be one to keep an eye on

'He’s been a standout.. We’ve had him on the wing so far & he’s been playing well' - Matthew Nicks on Jackson Hately via @SportsdaySA
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on February 26, 2019, 08:49:10 PM
Im certainly looking at cousins but being the number 1 pick (walsh) he will get given chances that other players wont just because they know fans want to see him play. Also it doesnt seems like much but cousins at 12,600 more is sizeable

most people i talk to seem to really rate the mid rookies.

Hind Gibbons Bewley look great but besides them im not sure who really stand up. Constable or Atkins look alright if they can get games but outside of them im seeing alot more cheap fwds and cheapish defenders.

Bit pricier but Hately will be a gun. In your Constable/Atkins bracket, but it's being well spruiked there is mid room at GWS
Could be one to keep an eye on

'He’s been a standout.. We’ve had him on the wing so far & he’s been playing well' - Matthew Nicks on Jackson Hately via @SportsdaySA

Hasn't left my side
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: elephants on February 26, 2019, 10:50:58 PM
Im certainly looking at cousins but being the number 1 pick (walsh) he will get given chances that other players wont just because they know fans want to see him play. Also it doesnt seems like much but cousins at 12,600 more is sizeable

most people i talk to seem to really rate the mid rookies.

Hind Gibbons Bewley look great but besides them im not sure who really stand up. Constable or Atkins look alright if they can get games but outside of them im seeing alot more cheap fwds and cheapish defenders.

Bit pricier but Hately will be a gun. In your Constable/Atkins bracket, but it's being well spruiked there is mid room at GWS

There is, but there's also Taranto and Hopper who are hungry for mid time. Throw in Perryman who had some rude number of centre bounce attendances in their intra against Sydney. FTR though I like Hately, anyone that has a season of senior SANFL under his bet is always a sniff
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: tommy10 on February 27, 2019, 01:19:40 AM
Im certainly looking at cousins but being the number 1 pick (walsh) he will get given chances that other players wont just because they know fans want to see him play. Also it doesnt seems like much but cousins at 12,600 more is sizeable

most people i talk to seem to really rate the mid rookies.

Hind Gibbons Bewley look great but besides them im not sure who really stand up. Constable or Atkins look alright if they can get games but outside of them im seeing alot more cheap fwds and cheapish defenders.

Bit pricier but Hately will be a gun. In your Constable/Atkins bracket, but it's being well spruiked there is mid room at GWS
Could be one to keep an eye on

'He’s been a standout.. We’ve had him on the wing so far & he’s been playing well' - Matthew Nicks on Jackson Hately via @SportsdaySA

Hasn't left my side
+1
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: HappyDEZ on February 27, 2019, 06:04:51 AM
Im certainly looking at cousins but being the number 1 pick (walsh) he will get given chances that other players wont just because they know fans want to see him play. Also it doesnt seems like much but cousins at 12,600 more is sizeable

most people i talk to seem to really rate the mid rookies.

Hind Gibbons Bewley look great but besides them im not sure who really stand up. Constable or Atkins look alright if they can get games but outside of them im seeing alot more cheap fwds and cheapish defenders.

Bit pricier but Hately will be a gun. In your Constable/Atkins bracket, but it's being well spruiked there is mid room at GWS

There is, but there's also Taranto and Hopper who are hungry for mid time. Throw in Perryman who had some rude number of centre bounce attendances in their intra against Sydney. FTR though I like Hately, anyone that has a season of senior SANFL under his bet is always a sniff
He certainly ticks a lot of boxes. Good price, AFL ready body & reasonable fantasy scoring ability.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: HappyDEZ on February 27, 2019, 06:14:30 AM
Throwing out Cousins as an alternate for Walsh at the same price point.
Reminds me of Brodie vs. Brayshaw last year.
I like Walsh from what I have heard/read. He does come at a price though. Anybody out there got any idea roughly what sort of average he would need (lets assume he plays every game) to get to $400K at his Rd14 bye?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Keeper27 on February 27, 2019, 06:47:56 AM
Throwing out Cousins as an alternate for Walsh at the same price point.
Reminds me of Brodie vs. Brayshaw last year.
I like Walsh from what I have heard/read. He does come at a price though. Anybody out there got any idea roughly what sort of average he would need (lets assume he plays every game) to get to $400K at his Rd14 bye?

he needs to avg 85 to reach $400K
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 27, 2019, 07:40:57 AM
Throwing out Cousins as an alternate for Walsh at the same price point.
Reminds me of Brodie vs. Brayshaw last year.
I like Walsh from what I have heard/read. He does come at a price though. Anybody out there got any idea roughly what sort of average he would need (lets assume he plays every game) to get to $400K at his Rd14 bye?

he needs to avg 85 to reach $400K

Doesn't quite work like that

It's a week by week proposition. Pumping out regular big scores to keep the cash gen moving is what's required

At his price, a few 50-65 scores will halt the cash gen, and once he gets to 300k those scores hurt even more

He could very well get to 400k, but it's anybody's guess when that could happen. All I know is, he'll need to produce plenty of good scores to get there
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Money Shot on February 27, 2019, 07:44:54 AM
Throwing out Cousins as an alternate for Walsh at the same price point.
Reminds me of Brodie vs. Brayshaw last year.
I like Walsh from what I have heard/read. He does come at a price though. Anybody out there got any idea roughly what sort of average he would need (lets assume he plays every game) to get to $400K at his Rd14 bye?

he needs to avg 85 to reach $400K
I know I’m biased but I don’t think that’s unrealistic. Kid is already one of our best players ;D
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Holz on February 27, 2019, 08:11:25 AM
Throwing out Cousins as an alternate for Walsh at the same price point.
Reminds me of Brodie vs. Brayshaw last year.
I like Walsh from what I have heard/read. He does come at a price though. Anybody out there got any idea roughly what sort of average he would need (lets assume he plays every game) to get to $400K at his Rd14 bye?

he needs to avg 85 to reach $400K
I know I’m biased but I don’t think that’s unrealistic. Kid is already one of our best players ;D

he doesnt need to drop 85 and get up to 400k to be a decent pick. Most rookies you are looking at the realm of 100-125k price rise. Some of these 123k rookies go up above 250k+ but not all of them.

If he can put up a 70 and then rise 100k+ then thats a decent pick up. At 209k he has to do something crazy and go 80+ to be a great pick but realistically he just needs to be a solid pick because you need to compare him to what say the 5th or 6th best mid rookie will do

So its walsh v atkins/sparrow etc...

he has great JS and if guys like atkins sparrow cant string together 6-7 games at a 55+ average then walsh doesnt need to do anything special to beat that.

I currently dont have him as i have stacked my mids with 6 premos and then im happy with 4 out of the 5 mid rookies. If i cant find a solid 5th sparrow or atkins then walsh and cousins have to come into the equation.

Just need to be realisitic on what you can expect from the 4th or 5th best mid pick after Bewley Hind and Gibbons. I dont see atkins or Sparrow going up to 330k so no reason you need to rate walsh that high to pick him.

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: HappyDEZ on February 27, 2019, 09:06:08 AM
Throwing out Cousins as an alternate for Walsh at the same price point.
Reminds me of Brodie vs. Brayshaw last year.
I like Walsh from what I have heard/read. He does come at a price though. Anybody out there got any idea roughly what sort of average he would need (lets assume he plays every game) to get to $400K at his Rd14 bye?
he needs to avg 85 to reach $400K
I know I’m biased but I don’t think that’s unrealistic. Kid is already one of our best players ;D

he doesnt need to drop 85 and get up to 400k to be a decent pick. Most rookies you are looking at the realm of 100-125k price rise. Some of these 123k rookies go up above 250k+ but not all of them.

If he can put up a 70 and then rise 100k+ then thats a decent pick up. At 209k he has to do something crazy and go 80+ to be a great pick but realistically he just needs to be a solid pick because you need to compare him to what say the 5th or 6th best mid rookie will do

So its walsh v atkins/sparrow etc...

he has great JS and if guys like atkins sparrow cant string together 6-7 games at a 55+ average then walsh doesnt need to do anything special to beat that.

I currently dont have him as i have stacked my mids with 6 premos and then im happy with 4 out of the 5 mid rookies. If i cant find a solid 5th sparrow or atkins then walsh and cousins have to come into the equation.

Just need to be realisitic on what you can expect from the 4th or 5th best mid pick after Bewley Hind and Gibbons. I dont see atkins or Sparrow going up to 330k so no reason you need to rate walsh that high to pick him.
85 is a lot. I was hoping 70-75 (which is what I think he can score) would be enough. Ah well. He stays for now.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on February 27, 2019, 10:56:18 AM
Im certainly looking at cousins but being the number 1 pick (walsh) he will get given chances that other players wont just because they know fans want to see him play. Also it doesnt seems like much but cousins at 12,600 more is sizeable

most people i talk to seem to really rate the mid rookies.

Hind Gibbons Bewley look great but besides them im not sure who really stand up. Constable or Atkins look alright if they can get games but outside of them im seeing alot more cheap fwds and cheapish defenders.

Bit pricier but Hately will be a gun. In your Constable/Atkins bracket, but it's being well spruiked there is mid room at GWS
Could be one to keep an eye on

'He’s been a standout.. We’ve had him on the wing so far & he’s been playing well' - Matthew Nicks on Jackson Hately via @SportsdaySA

Hasn't left my side
+1
Probably been my biggest rookie lock since SC opened
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: frenzy on February 27, 2019, 01:39:48 PM
having trouble remembering the last rookie to go 85, give me a chop out.  ::)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on February 27, 2019, 01:45:53 PM
having trouble remembering the last rookie to go 85, give me a chop out.  ::)

JOM and Crouch both did it in the same year. Dont know if they were the last though.

EDIT: Mills did 78, Witherden did 87. Other than that i dont think theres anymore who even got close to 80. But in saying that Walsh has been widely tipped as the bes player to walk through the draft and would go #1 in any of the previous last few years
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Holz on February 27, 2019, 02:02:23 PM
having trouble remembering the last rookie to go 85, give me a chop out.  ::)

JOM and Crouch both did it in the same year. Dont know if they were the last though.

EDIT: Mills did 78, Witherden did 87. Other than that i dont think theres anymore who even got close to 80. But in saying that Walsh has been widely tipped as the bes player to walk through the draft and would go #1 in any of the previous last few years

JOM and Crouch both had 1 year in the system. JOM played for an expansion club.

80+ would be a huge ask i dont think i can remember the last time a 18 year old kid went 80+ in his first year in the system, not coming from an expansion club.

i can only think of players who went 80+ that fit into one of the above categories.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on February 27, 2019, 02:08:19 PM
having trouble remembering the last rookie to go 85, give me a chop out.  ::)

JOM and Crouch both did it in the same year. Dont know if they were the last though.

EDIT: Mills did 78, Witherden did 87. Other than that i dont think theres anymore who even got close to 80. But in saying that Walsh has been widely tipped as the bes player to walk through the draft and would go #1 in any of the previous last few years

JOM and Crouch both had 1 year in the system. JOM played for an expansion club.

80+ would be a huge ask i dont think i can remember the last time a 18 year old kid went 80+ in his first year in the system, not coming from an expansion club.

i can only think of players who went 80+ that fit into one of the above categories.

Witherden ;) But even he played limited games
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on February 27, 2019, 02:12:25 PM
Tbf the Bloos are basically what Suns were initially atm
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 27, 2019, 02:49:15 PM
Still don't rate his JS or scoring ability, but McKay sounding like a real chance to play Round 1 - problem is Tarrant and SDT both return the following week most likely

I'm not picking him even if he gets named

"We've got a lot of key-position players that can play down there, the obvious one is probably Benny McKay who's played a few games so far for us down there and looked the goods."
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on February 27, 2019, 03:43:30 PM
Still don't rate his JS or scoring ability, but McKay sounding like a real chance to play Round 1 - problem is Tarrant and SDT both return the following week most likely

I'm not picking him even if he gets named

"We've got a lot of key-position players that can play down there, the obvious one is probably Benny McKay who's played a few games so far for us down there and looked the goods."

Its the perfect rookie trap for the beginners. They'll see the green dot for 123k and slot him in.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on February 27, 2019, 04:45:11 PM
Still don't rate his JS or scoring ability, but McKay sounding like a real chance to play Round 1 - problem is Tarrant and SDT both return the following week most likely

I'm not picking him even if he gets named

"We've got a lot of key-position players that can play down there, the obvious one is probably Benny McKay who's played a few games so far for us down there and looked the goods."

Its the perfect rookie trap for the beginners. They'll see the green dot for 123k and slot him in.
I think i saw him in kb's team
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ringo on February 27, 2019, 04:45:58 PM
having trouble remembering the last rookie to go 85, give me a chop out.  ::)

JOM and Crouch both did it in the same year. Dont know if they were the last though.

EDIT: Mills did 78, Witherden did 87. Other than that i dont think theres anymore who even got close to 80. But in saying that Walsh has been widely tipped as the bes player to walk through the draft and would go #1 in any of the previous last few years

JOM and Crouch both had 1 year in the system. JOM played for an expansion club.

80+ would be a huge ask i dont think i can remember the last time a 18 year old kid went 80+ in his first year in the system, not coming from an expansion club.

i can only think of players who went 80+ that fit into one of the above categories.

Witherden ;) But even he played limited games
Daniel Rich went 85 in his first season and played all games.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on February 27, 2019, 04:57:34 PM
having trouble remembering the last rookie to go 85, give me a chop out.  ::)

JOM and Crouch both did it in the same year. Dont know if they were the last though.

EDIT: Mills did 78, Witherden did 87. Other than that i dont think theres anymore who even got close to 80. But in saying that Walsh has been widely tipped as the bes player to walk through the draft and would go #1 in any of the previous last few years

JOM and Crouch both had 1 year in the system. JOM played for an expansion club.

80+ would be a huge ask i dont think i can remember the last time a 18 year old kid went 80+ in his first year in the system, not coming from an expansion club.

i can only think of players who went 80+ that fit into one of the above categories.

Witherden ;) But even he played limited games
Daniel Rich went 85 in his first season and played all games.

We were talking this millennium chief... Who did it last ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: frenzy on February 27, 2019, 05:21:27 PM
Still don't rate his JS or scoring ability, but McKay sounding like a real chance to play Round 1 - problem is Tarrant and SDT both return the following week most likely

I'm not picking him even if he gets named

"We've got a lot of key-position players that can play down there, the obvious one is probably Benny McKay who's played a few games so far for us down there and looked the goods."

Damn, what's it gonna take to convince ya.  ;D
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Pokerface on February 27, 2019, 05:50:45 PM
You don't need to look for guys that averaged 85 for the year. Just for the first 6-8 weeks - you aren't going to hold them all year. Rookie averages invariably drop in the second half as they tire.
Having said that I can't think of any fitting that bill off the top of my head. I thought I remembered Wines being a must have at around 175k but it seems his first year numbers dropped off after about round 4
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 27, 2019, 05:56:01 PM
Still don't rate his JS or scoring ability, but McKay sounding like a real chance to play Round 1 - problem is Tarrant and SDT both return the following week most likely

I'm not picking him even if he gets named

"We've got a lot of key-position players that can play down there, the obvious one is probably Benny McKay who's played a few games so far for us down there and looked the goods."

Its the perfect rookie trap for the beginners. They'll see the green dot for 123k and slot him in.
I think i saw him in kb's team
::)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ringo on February 27, 2019, 06:17:32 PM
You don't need to look for guys that averaged 85 for the year. Just for the first 6-8 weeks - you aren't going to hold them all year. Rookie averages invariably drop in the second half as they tire.
Having said that I can't think of any fitting that bill off the top of my head. I thought I remembered Wines being a must have at around 175k but it seems his first year numbers dropped off after about round 4
This is probably on the mark as young draftees tend to drop off in later rds.  You are right with Wines averaged 86 for first 7 Rounds and went up $200k so pick the right one to start and pick when to cull. 
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: HappyDEZ on February 27, 2019, 09:02:19 PM
You don't need to look for guys that averaged 85 for the year. Just for the first 6-8 weeks - you aren't going to hold them all year. Rookie averages invariably drop in the second half as they tire.
Having said that I can't think of any fitting that bill off the top of my head. I thought I remembered Wines being a must have at around 175k but it seems his first year numbers dropped off after about round 4
This is probably on the mark as young draftees tend to drop off in later rds.  You are right with Wines averaged 86 for first 7 Rounds and went up $200k so pick the right one to start and pick when to cull.
From memory Wines & Wingard both went ballistic young. Maybe not first year but possibly 2nd year was their best footy as far as fantasy goes. I know I could look it up but anyway.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Southstorm on February 27, 2019, 09:12:01 PM
Still don't rate his JS or scoring ability, but McKay sounding like a real chance to play Round 1 - problem is Tarrant and SDT both return the following week most likely

I'm not picking him even if he gets named

"We've got a lot of key-position players that can play down there, the obvious one is probably Benny McKay who's played a few games so far for us down there and looked the goods."
NM's key defender problem runs a lot deeper than Tarrant and SDT; Daw is still an unknown as far as recovery time goes and Durdin just cut his little finger off.

McKay is a last ditch option for mine at the moment, actually expect him to play a fair bit early on but at a very slow burn.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on February 27, 2019, 09:20:26 PM
In 2015 Cripps was priced as an expensive rookie in his 2nd season and averaged 96. Vandenberg and Oxley averaged 75 the same year as rookie priced guys,

Pure rookies that were taken early in the draft is probably a little different. Most of them tend to peak at 70 odd
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: SilverLion on February 27, 2019, 10:47:28 PM
Still don't rate his JS or scoring ability, but McKay sounding like a real chance to play Round 1 - problem is Tarrant and SDT both return the following week most likely

I'm not picking him even if he gets named

"We've got a lot of key-position players that can play down there, the obvious one is probably Benny McKay who's played a few games so far for us down there and looked the goods."
NM's key defender problem runs a lot deeper than Tarrant and SDT; Daw is still an unknown as far as recovery time goes and Durdin just cut his little finger off.

McKay is a last ditch option for mine at the moment, actually expect him to play a fair bit early on but at a very slow burn.
Wouldn't Ed Vickers-Willis be ahead of McKay?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Southstorm on February 28, 2019, 10:13:40 AM
Still don't rate his JS or scoring ability, but McKay sounding like a real chance to play Round 1 - problem is Tarrant and SDT both return the following week most likely

I'm not picking him even if he gets named

"We've got a lot of key-position players that can play down there, the obvious one is probably Benny McKay who's played a few games so far for us down there and looked the goods."
NM's key defender problem runs a lot deeper than Tarrant and SDT; Daw is still an unknown as far as recovery time goes and Durdin just cut his little finger off.

McKay is a last ditch option for mine at the moment, actually expect him to play a fair bit early on but at a very slow burn.
Wouldn't Ed Vickers-Willis be ahead of McKay?
I doubt they'd be competing for the same spot. Daw swung between forward and back last year and McKay gives them the same flexibility.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Holz on February 28, 2019, 10:59:21 AM
Still don't rate his JS or scoring ability, but McKay sounding like a real chance to play Round 1 - problem is Tarrant and SDT both return the following week most likely

I'm not picking him even if he gets named

"We've got a lot of key-position players that can play down there, the obvious one is probably Benny McKay who's played a few games so far for us down there and looked the goods."
NM's key defender problem runs a lot deeper than Tarrant and SDT; Daw is still an unknown as far as recovery time goes and Durdin just cut his little finger off.

McKay is a last ditch option for mine at the moment, actually expect him to play a fair bit early on but at a very slow burn.
Wouldn't Ed Vickers-Willis be ahead of McKay?
I doubt they'd be competing for the same spot. Daw swung between forward and back last year and McKay gives them the same flexibility.

Ed Vickers willis is reasonably tall (190cm) and can play the 3rd tall role that daw was having. Thompson and Tarrant still likely to play the FB and CHb roles.

I expect Mckay to be named round then dropped.



Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: frenzy on February 28, 2019, 04:05:35 PM
Still don't rate his JS or scoring ability, but McKay sounding like a real chance to play Round 1 - problem is Tarrant and SDT both return the following week most likely

I'm not picking him even if he gets named

"We've got a lot of key-position players that can play down there, the obvious one is probably Benny McKay who's played a few games so far for us down there and looked the goods."
NM's key defender problem runs a lot deeper than Tarrant and SDT; Daw is still an unknown as far as recovery time goes and Durdin just cut his little finger off.

McKay is a last ditch option for mine at the moment, actually expect him to play a fair bit early on but at a very slow burn.
Wouldn't Ed Vickers-Willis be ahead of McKay?

Yep, but coming back from a PCL injury. And would be surprised to see him in the JLT, as i don't think he's training with the main group or if he has, it would only be in the few weeks.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on February 28, 2019, 06:34:09 PM
Walsh has to he the biggest lock of all locks. Holy crap he looks good
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Money Shot on February 28, 2019, 06:39:30 PM
Walsh has to he the biggest lock of all locks. Holy crap he looks good
He was my first picked player this season. If a rookie was to go 100+ he would be it.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 28, 2019, 07:49:25 PM
Walsh has to he the biggest lock of all locks. Holy crap he looks good

I've always avoided the expensive rookies, but this guy is going to break the trend of most expensive rookies not being good SC picks

24 touches to 3/4 time in your first hitout is damn impressive

I could easily see myself comfortably starting him at M5 if I need to go deeper on other lines, or M6 at worst
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 28, 2019, 07:55:41 PM
Setterfield has already tonned up early in the 4th too
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: crowls on February 28, 2019, 08:18:06 PM
Walsh was classy, vision, space good decisions, hard not to want to start him.
half way thru first preseason game and i already want to shoot langford!  got to be better options than this muppet.  exact opposite of walsh was dear in the headlights everytime he got the ball.  fffs
daniher looked fine to go.   
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on February 28, 2019, 09:08:49 PM
Walsh was classy, vision, space good decisions, hard not to want to start him.
half way thru first preseason game and i already want to shoot langford!  got to be better options than this muppet.  exact opposite of walsh was dear in the headlights everytime he got the ball.  fffs
daniher looked fine to go.
Am i missing something cause idk why anyone would be starting Langford
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Colley Dogs on February 28, 2019, 09:48:10 PM
Walsh was classy, vision, space good decisions, hard not to want to start him.
half way thru first preseason game and i already want to shoot langford!  got to be better options than this muppet.  exact opposite of walsh was dear in the headlights everytime he got the ball.  fffs
daniher looked fine to go.
Am i missing something cause idk why anyone would be starting Langford

Think Crowls was talking about Walsh in terms of Supercoach... and Langford in terms of being a Bombers fan.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on March 01, 2019, 01:24:02 AM
Bewley only named as an emergency despite there being an extended bench and a fair few best 22 players missing. Has to be a worry for his round 1 chances
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: crowls on March 01, 2019, 06:14:02 AM
Walsh was classy, vision, space good decisions, hard not to want to start him.
half way thru first preseason game and i already want to shoot langford!  got to be better options than this muppet.  exact opposite of walsh was dear in the headlights everytime he got the ball.  fffs
daniher looked fine to go.
Am i missing something cause idk why anyone would be starting Langford

Think Crowls was talking about Walsh in terms of Supercoach... and Langford in terms of being a Bombers fan.
yeah, was venting as a bombers fan.  hope i dont have to put up with it for long before he is banished to vfl.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 01, 2019, 07:12:23 AM
Bewley only named as an emergency despite there being an extended bench and a fair few best 22 players missing. Has to be a worry for his round 1 chances

He's just one of the best 22 missing ;)

Mature ager, doesn't need to play first up - second JLT is always a good indication for Round 1 line ups and I'm certain he'll play that
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Southstorm on March 01, 2019, 08:04:05 AM
Want to see how Walsh goes against a team that takes direct opponents in the midfield before I put him in. Was very good last night but he didn't need to work hard to find the ball.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: tommy10 on March 01, 2019, 08:05:31 AM
Walsh was classy, vision, space good decisions, hard not to want to start him.
half way thru first preseason game and i already want to shoot langford!  got to be better options than this muppet.  exact opposite of walsh was dear in the headlights everytime he got the ball.  fffs
daniher looked fine to go.
Am i missing something cause idk why anyone would be starting Langford
It’s only JLT crowls so I reckon he’ll come good come round 1...Devon mentioned this week that he has stepped it up (know it didn’t show that last night) but he’ll be one of the big improvers come season proper imo as a Bombers fan too.

Think Crowls was talking about Walsh in terms of Supercoach... and Langford in terms of being a Bombers fan.
yeah, was venting as a bombers fan.  hope i dont have to put up with it for long before he is banished to vfl.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: elephants on March 01, 2019, 09:04:06 AM
Bewley only named as an emergency despite there being an extended bench and a fair few best 22 players missing. Has to be a worry for his round 1 chances

He's just one of the best 22 missing ;)

Mature ager, doesn't need to play first up - second JLT is always a good indication for Round 1 line ups and I'm certain he'll play that

Was quiet in their intraclub too, I'm not so sure on him
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 01, 2019, 09:32:27 AM
Bewley only named as an emergency despite there being an extended bench and a fair few best 22 players missing. Has to be a worry for his round 1 chances

He's just one of the best 22 missing ;)

Mature ager, doesn't need to play first up - second JLT is always a good indication for Round 1 line ups and I'm certain he'll play that

Was quiet in their intraclub too, I'm not so sure on him

I guess what makes me feel comfortable is that worst case scenario he's a place-holder, because I am 99% sure at least 1 new rookie will debut for Freo, and that's all that really matters for now I guess
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: sammy123 on March 01, 2019, 09:54:30 AM
Bewley only named as an emergency despite there being an extended bench and a fair few best 22 players missing. Has to be a worry for his round 1 chances

He's just one of the best 22 missing ;)

Mature ager, doesn't need to play first up - second JLT is always a good indication for Round 1 line ups and I'm certain he'll play that

Was quiet in their intraclub too, I'm not so sure on him

I guess what makes me feel comfortable is that worst case scenario he's a place-holder, because I am 99% sure at least 1 new rookie will debut for Freo, and that's all that really matters for now I guess

If he doesnt play maybe another name pops up elsewhere
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ricochet on March 01, 2019, 09:57:16 AM
Bewley only named as an emergency despite there being an extended bench and a fair few best 22 players missing. Has to be a worry for his round 1 chances

He's just one of the best 22 missing ;)

Mature ager, doesn't need to play first up - second JLT is always a good indication for Round 1 line ups and I'm certain he'll play that

Was quiet in their intraclub too, I'm not so sure on him

I guess what makes me feel comfortable is that worst case scenario he's a place-holder, because I am 99% sure at least 1 new rookie will debut for Freo, and that's all that really matters for now I guess
Nah Ross doesn't play kids
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: jvalles69 on March 01, 2019, 10:03:47 AM
Bewley only named as an emergency despite there being an extended bench and a fair few best 22 players missing. Has to be a worry for his round 1 chances

He's just one of the best 22 missing ;)

Mature ager, doesn't need to play first up - second JLT is always a good indication for Round 1 line ups and I'm certain he'll play that

Was quiet in their intraclub too, I'm not so sure on him

I guess what makes me feel comfortable is that worst case scenario he's a place-holder, because I am 99% sure at least 1 new rookie will debut for Freo, and that's all that really matters for now I guess

But not 1 new rookie per week, cos that would be balls and a typical Ross thing to do.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on March 01, 2019, 10:50:20 AM
Bewley only named as an emergency despite there being an extended bench and a fair few best 22 players missing. Has to be a worry for his round 1 chances

He's just one of the best 22 missing ;)

Mature ager, doesn't need to play first up - second JLT is always a good indication for Round 1 line ups and I'm certain he'll play that

Was quiet in their intraclub too, I'm not so sure on him

I guess what makes me feel comfortable is that worst case scenario he's a place-holder, because I am 99% sure at least 1 new rookie will debut for Freo, and that's all that really matters for now I guess
Nah Ross doesn't play kids
Exactly. Surely Nick Suban is ahead of Bewley?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Nige on March 01, 2019, 11:28:43 AM
Bewley only named as an emergency despite there being an extended bench and a fair few best 22 players missing. Has to be a worry for his round 1 chances

He's just one of the best 22 missing ;)

Mature ager, doesn't need to play first up - second JLT is always a good indication for Round 1 line ups and I'm certain he'll play that

Was quiet in their intraclub too, I'm not so sure on him

I guess what makes me feel comfortable is that worst case scenario he's a place-holder, because I am 99% sure at least 1 new rookie will debut for Freo, and that's all that really matters for now I guess
Nah Ross doesn't play kids
Exactly. Surely Nick Suban is ahead of Bewley?
I think you mean Nick Suburban.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 01, 2019, 06:34:34 PM
This Clark bloke is looking real good... Henry-esk of last year. Will be a tough backline to get into tho
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 01, 2019, 08:35:30 PM
This Clark bloke is looking real good... Henry-esk of last year. Will be a tough backline to get into tho

Was very impressive, but agree it's a tough lineup to break into. He'll get a run for sure this year. If not Round 1, hopefully a bit later so he's a nice downgrade target

Constable with 26 touches from just 71% TOG
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 01, 2019, 08:37:50 PM
Fantasy Freako @FantasyFreako
Constable 92, Clark 87, Allan 86, Watson 76 and Atkins 69 were the pick of the #SuperCoach #cashcows.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: meow meow on March 02, 2019, 08:24:09 AM
Clark a good chance to play round 1 IMO.

But there's this guy named Tuohy that'll come back in and then it's goodbye for Clarkey.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: ben_020285 on March 02, 2019, 09:54:10 AM
Clark a good chance to play round 1 IMO.

But there's this guy named Tuohy that'll come back in and then it's goodbye for Clarkey.

Or Clark will remain in the side even when Tuohy returns.

He plays well he stays, pretty simple.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: StuL on March 02, 2019, 11:19:19 AM
Clark is in R1 unless he completely botches his next game somehow. Only two games but he is the next most impressive kid after Walsh.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Woppa15 on March 02, 2019, 12:51:50 PM
Clark a good chance to play round 1 IMO.

But there's this guy named Tuohy that'll come back in and then it's goodbye for Clarkey.

Or Clark will remain in the side even when Tuohy returns.

He plays well he stays, pretty simple.

Clarke would probably remain in the side. Henry could swing forward as that’s where he been training all pre season apprently
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: meow meow on March 02, 2019, 01:00:50 PM
Caldwell off a limited preseason already ahead of Hately. Firming for round 1.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: igotworms on March 02, 2019, 02:29:08 PM
Caldwell off a limited preseason already ahead of Hately. Firming for round 1.

Caldwell was touted as a potential number 1 pick prior to injuries ruining his last two years of footy and forcing him down the order. Still got snapped up at pick 11, which means GWS see the upside and talent in taking someone with such a history as his. Professional environment and full time medical staff and programming could see him fullfill his potential.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 02, 2019, 03:20:42 PM
Davies-Uniacke probably moves ahead of Walsh & Bennell for me, 27 touches a nice continuation of his late season form in the VFL.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 02, 2019, 04:30:32 PM
Davies-Uniacke probably moves ahead of Walsh & Bennell for me, 27 touches a nice continuation of his late season form in the VFL.

73 SC isn't great, although it looks like he will be playing a lot more this year based on Scott's post match comment

Scott: Luke Davies-Uniacke played how he’s trained all pre-season, well. A lot of people think that the new recruits will be the catalyst for change, but it’s the likes of Davies-Uniacke and Simpkin that will help us improve.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 02, 2019, 04:35:10 PM
Davies-Uniacke probably moves ahead of Walsh & Bennell for me, 27 touches a nice continuation of his late season form in the VFL.

73 SC isn't great, although it looks like he will be playing a lot more this year based on Scott's post match comment

Scott: Luke Davies-Uniacke played how he’s trained all pre-season, well. A lot of people think that the new recruits will be the catalyst for change, but it’s the likes of Davies-Uniacke and Simpkin that will help us improve.

JS very good & I suspect he'll get better with his disposal, he's also cheaper than Walsh. It may well be that I select no-one who's over 123k but if forced to do so then LDU looms as a good POD.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 02, 2019, 04:38:40 PM
Davies-Uniacke probably moves ahead of Walsh & Bennell for me, 27 touches a nice continuation of his late season form in the VFL.

73 SC isn't great, although it looks like he will be playing a lot more this year based on Scott's post match comment

Scott: Luke Davies-Uniacke played how he’s trained all pre-season, well. A lot of people think that the new recruits will be the catalyst for change, but it’s the likes of Davies-Uniacke and Simpkin that will help us improve.

JS very good & I suspect he'll get better with his disposal, he's also cheaper than Walsh. It may well be that I select no-one who's over 123k but if forced to do so then LDU looms as a good POD.

We often start with 5 prem mids, but with Miles/Libba etc still options it seems plenty of people are considering 4 prem mids + one of them

Well, we could even go 4 prem mids, then 2 of expensive rookies at M5/6 because their JS should be excellent, and it gives us cash to bolster other lines and get those really poor scoring rookies off the field in def and fwd
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 02, 2019, 04:43:35 PM
Davies-Uniacke probably moves ahead of Walsh & Bennell for me, 27 touches a nice continuation of his late season form in the VFL.

73 SC isn't great, although it looks like he will be playing a lot more this year based on Scott's post match comment

Scott: Luke Davies-Uniacke played how he’s trained all pre-season, well. A lot of people think that the new recruits will be the catalyst for change, but it’s the likes of Davies-Uniacke and Simpkin that will help us improve.

JS very good & I suspect he'll get better with his disposal, he's also cheaper than Walsh. It may well be that I select no-one who's over 123k but if forced to do so then LDU looms as a good POD.

We often start with 5 prem mids, but with Miles/Libba etc still options it seems plenty of people are considering 4 prem mids + one of them

Well, we could even go 4 prem mids, then 2 of expensive rookies at M5/6 because their JS should be excellent, and it gives us cash to bolster other lines and get those really poor scoring rookies off the field in def and fwd

That's certainly an option, I've currently got Bennell at M6 & Miles at M5, so replacing Harley with LDU maintains my structure. I also note that Miles is on the bench so maybe not the bedrock selection that we are expecting. He'll obviously need to perform strongly. I also note that Brad Crouch played well so there's that to consider.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 02, 2019, 04:47:52 PM
Davies-Uniacke probably moves ahead of Walsh & Bennell for me, 27 touches a nice continuation of his late season form in the VFL.

73 SC isn't great, although it looks like he will be playing a lot more this year based on Scott's post match comment

Scott: Luke Davies-Uniacke played how he’s trained all pre-season, well. A lot of people think that the new recruits will be the catalyst for change, but it’s the likes of Davies-Uniacke and Simpkin that will help us improve.

JS very good & I suspect he'll get better with his disposal, he's also cheaper than Walsh. It may well be that I select no-one who's over 123k but if forced to do so then LDU looms as a good POD.

We often start with 5 prem mids, but with Miles/Libba etc still options it seems plenty of people are considering 4 prem mids + one of them

Well, we could even go 4 prem mids, then 2 of expensive rookies at M5/6 because their JS should be excellent, and it gives us cash to bolster other lines and get those really poor scoring rookies off the field in def and fwd

That's certainly an option, I've currently got Bennell at M6 & Miles at M5, so replacing Harley with LDU maintains my structure. I also note that Miles is on the bench so maybe not the bedrock selection that we are expecting. He'll obviously need to perform strongly. I also note that Brad Crouch played well so there's that to consider.

Put a line through Bennell - he pinged his calf yet again recently

Certainly a lot to play out over the next fortnight
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 02, 2019, 05:52:07 PM
(https://imgur.com/IbUFnik.png)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: batt on March 02, 2019, 05:54:00 PM
LDU vs Walsh.  Don't think I'll take both.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 02, 2019, 05:57:55 PM
LDU vs Walsh.  Don't think I'll take both.

meh wait for the rest of the games b4 u start stressing

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: fanTCfool on March 02, 2019, 09:25:58 PM
25 touches and 91SC from Zac Butters from 70% TOG was very impressive. Willem Drew also managed a team-high 11CPs and 7 clearances while operating at 93% DE for his 77 SC. Both look like pretty decent options if named Round 1.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 02, 2019, 09:46:23 PM
25 touches and 91SC from Zac Butters from 70% TOG was very impressive. Willem Drew also managed a team-high 11CPs and 7 clearances while operating at 93% DE for his 77 SC. Both look like pretty decent options if named Round 1.

I can’t see how butters doesn’t play round 1 ... he’s a gun
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: fanTCfool on March 02, 2019, 09:51:05 PM
...and a lazy 101 from Hately against the Swans. Sheesh.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 02, 2019, 09:59:50 PM
yeah i posted a pic in discord but i'm considering Miles/Walsh at M4/M5 then butters, hately, caldwell etc

then roberton at d5 etc
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: AaronKirk on March 02, 2019, 10:00:18 PM
...and a lazy 101 from Hately against the Swans. Sheesh.

Watched that game. Would be surprised if he didn't play round 1. Cool and composed with the ball in hand which for a 1st year player in the mids is rare.

Caldwell was solid as well. Did some good things but is a bit more pricey as a mid rookie option (I think around 160k)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Colley Dogs on March 02, 2019, 10:15:32 PM
Is there a thread with Supercoach scores from JLT? Some kind person did it for everyone last year. Just wondering if I’m missing it.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: fanTCfool on March 02, 2019, 10:17:30 PM
Is there a thread with Supercoach scores from JLT? Some kind person did it for everyone last year. Just wondering if I’m missing it.

They're all being added to this post, http://forum.fanfooty.com.au/index.php/topic,112774.msg1968123.html#msg1968123
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 02, 2019, 10:17:31 PM
Is there a thread with Supercoach scores from JLT? Some kind person did it for everyone last year. Just wondering if I’m missing it.

it's in the matchcenter things on the front page the SC scores get updated a couple hours after
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 02, 2019, 10:31:58 PM
One thing to remember, this draft pool is the best we've had since the GWS GC days, so the expensive rookies might be worth starting

Guys that went Pick 10-20 in this draft will be better than guys who have gone Top 10 in previous drafts

So many gun kids in this draft - I've got high hopes for cash cows this year
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Colley Dogs on March 02, 2019, 10:47:04 PM
Thanks fanTCfool and kilbluff.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 03, 2019, 11:05:28 PM
Since most of the games have been played, these are the guys I am considering for spots


Back

Ridley
Collins
Clark
Duursma
Burgess
Hore

Logue - Hasn't played yet
Watson - Looks to have scored well but won't get a game come the real stuff
Jones - May not get a game come the real stuff
Scrimshaw - See Jones

Mid

Walsh (lockety lock)
Cousins
LDU
Butters
Hately
Constable
Gibbons
Caldwell
Atkins

Ruck

Archie Smith - Probably won't hold down the spot more than a fortnight
Pierce - Already banged up
Clarke - Seems the best option
Fort - Probably a R3 loophole at best

Forward

Setterfield - (Lockety lock)
Drew
Parker

Rozee - pricey and may not score
Petruccelle - unsure on job security
Balta - Unsure on job security
Burgess is also an option here

Right now I'd be tempted to go light in the midfield and load up in the forward line. Down back it looks like there is options galore to go with a plethora of mid price options. I think you need to bat 4 premiums deep this year up forward.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: jvalles69 on March 04, 2019, 12:06:15 AM
Disagree regarding the forward spot. I've thought long and hard and apart from. Danger, Smith and Heeney, I couldn't tell you who will be the other top forwards. So I'm going 3 heavy in the forward and letting things settle before I flesh the last 3 spots out. I trust the back mid pricers way more than any forward mid pricers.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 04, 2019, 12:12:44 AM
Menegola, Mundy and Boak also feel pretty safe to be up there.

I think going 4 mid prems with a forward line of Danger, Smith, Heeney, Menegola, Setters and Drew, along with a backline of Laird, Williams, Smith, Roberton, Ridley and Collins is probably safer than having to start two of the trash forward rookies on field and starting Lloyd down back and a Libba in the mids. The defensive mid price options are streets better than the forwards as well.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: sammy123 on March 04, 2019, 06:36:28 AM
One thing i do like about a good variery of mid rookies. Means i can have setterfield in my fwds
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: jfitty on March 04, 2019, 07:42:02 AM
With all the options in defence, I don't think Ridley @ 233k is an option personally.

Eyes on Griffin Logue tonight as well, he could definitely be one with good job security.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: tommy10 on March 04, 2019, 01:03:48 PM
Since most of the games have been played, these are the guys I am considering for spots


Back

Ridley
Collins
Clark
Duursma
Burgess
Hore

Logue - Hasn't played yet
Watson - Looks to have scored well but won't get a game come the real stuff
Jones - May not get a game come the real stuff
Scrimshaw - See Jones

Right now I'd be tempted to go light in the midfield and load up in the forward line. Down back it looks like there is options galore to go with a plethora of mid price options. I think you need to bat 4 premiums deep this year up forward.
Add McKay to the list too of back rookies.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: crowls on March 04, 2019, 05:21:24 PM
Menegola, Mundy and Boak also feel pretty safe to be up there.

I think going 4 mid prems with a forward line of Danger, Smith, Heeney, Menegola, Setters and Drew, along with a backline of Laird, Williams, Smith, Roberton, Ridley and Collins is probably safer than having to start two of the trash forward rookies on field and starting Lloyd down back and a Libba in the mids. The defensive mid price options are streets better than the forwards as well.
these guys are all 100k plus over our back 2nd tier options.   I like all of them but just cannot afford to start more than 2 over 500k fwd and def prems.   
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 04, 2019, 05:39:17 PM
Gee 10 minutes in and quaynor looks a likely type... prob won’t get a kick from now.

(Rushed his first kick)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: jvalles69 on March 04, 2019, 08:33:10 PM
Menegola, Mundy and Boak are just as likely to be failed picks IMO, Menegola probably the least likely to fail.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: elephants on March 04, 2019, 10:01:19 PM
Menegola, Mundy and Boak are just as likely to be failed picks IMO, Menegola probably the least likely to fail.

Based on? Clearly not role haha
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 04, 2019, 10:16:49 PM
As expected, Logue and Quaynor were rubbish for SC tonight

Bewley scored 43SC but only had 39% TOG so that's promising

Darcy Moore with 79SC from 69% TOG looking nice too

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 04, 2019, 10:39:51 PM
Add McKay to the list too of back rookies.

Meh, won't be a great scorer and won't have great job security. Probably throw him in with Scrimshaw.

these guys are all 100k plus over our back 2nd tier options.   I like all of them but just cannot afford to start more than 2 over 500k fwd and def prems.   

Isn't that my point though? Instead of grabbing one of the meh forward mid price options and grabbing a Libba in the mids you're better off grabbing two of the decent back mid price options instead of the 500k guys and rookie mid to turn that into two premium forwards.

Menegola, Mundy and Boak are just as likely to be failed picks IMO, Menegola probably the least likely to fail.

Menegola looks to be safe as houses. If his role doesn't change and he play like he has the last three seasons you can bank on 100. The other two are probably a 90 at worst and a 105 if all goes right. At a 95 average for both (which I think is probably realistic) you're looking at top 10 based on last year.

As expected, Logue and Quaynor were rubbish for SC tonight

Bewley scored 43SC but only had 39% TOG so that's promising

Darcy Moore with 79SC from 69% TOG looking nice too



Surprised Moore scored so high looking at he raw stats. 63 DT with 4 clangers for 79 SC seems like he benefited from scaling in a match where points were up for grabs. I'd rather Ridley right now
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: jvalles69 on March 04, 2019, 10:45:17 PM
Menegola, Mundy and Boak are just as likely to be failed picks IMO, Menegola probably the least likely to fail.

Based on? Clearly not role haha

My point is they still might not be cream of the crop.

Forwards who could be top 6: Danger, Heeney, Smith, Greene, Gray, Boak, Menegola, Kelly, Westhoff, Mundy, Franklin, Dunkley, Wingard.

I'd rather sit and wait after Danger, Heeney, and Smith.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: AaronKirk on March 04, 2019, 10:55:55 PM
Add McKay to the list too of back rookies.

Meh, won't be a great scorer and won't have great job security. Probably throw him in with Scrimshaw.

these guys are all 100k plus over our back 2nd tier options.   I like all of them but just cannot afford to start more than 2 over 500k fwd and def prems.   

Isn't that my point though? Instead of grabbing one of the meh forward mid price options and grabbing a Libba in the mids you're better off grabbing two of the decent back mid price options instead of the 500k guys and rookie mid to turn that into two premium forwards.

Menegola, Mundy and Boak are just as likely to be failed picks IMO, Menegola probably the least likely to fail.

Menegola looks to be safe as houses. If his role doesn't change and he play like he has the last three seasons you can bank on 100. The other two are probably a 90 at worst and a 105 if all goes right. At a 95 average for both (which I think is probably realistic) you're looking at top 10 based on last year.

As expected, Logue and Quaynor were rubbish for SC tonight

Bewley scored 43SC but only had 39% TOG so that's promising

Darcy Moore with 79SC from 69% TOG looking nice too



Surprised Moore scored so high looking at he raw stats. 63 DT with 4 clangers for 79 SC seems like he benefited from scaling in a match where points were up for grabs. I'd rather Ridley right now

As much a fan of Ridley as I am I don't see him as a lock for round 1.

Hooker, Hurley, Ambrose, Saad, Francis, McKenna seems to be our likely back 6 when round 1 starts.

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 04, 2019, 11:00:59 PM
As much a fan of Ridley as I am I don't see him as a lock for round 1.

Hooker, Hurley, Ambrose, Saad, Francis, McKenna seems to be our likely back 6 when round 1 starts.

I started doing some research the other night after I watched him play. Seems like he is highly rated and I like what I saw. If McGrath does go into the midfield that 7th spot in the rotation would be open for him to grab it.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: AaronKirk on March 04, 2019, 11:08:22 PM
As much a fan of Ridley as I am I don't see him as a lock for round 1.

Hooker, Hurley, Ambrose, Saad, Francis, McKenna seems to be our likely back 6 when round 1 starts.

I started doing some research the other night after I watched him play. Seems like he is highly rated and I like what I saw. If McGrath does go into the midfield that 7th spot in the rotation would be open for him to grab it.

If we have 3 talls down back plus Francis, Ridley, Belly, Daniher and one of McKernan/Clarke (or both) all in the same side I see us being too top heavy which under the 6-6-6 to me would be a major concern.

Marty Gleeson and Mason Redmond recovering from injury would make more sense as they are more versatile to play that additional defensive/mid rotation role.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 04, 2019, 11:12:50 PM
Gleeson is a long way off and you think Redman would be the same.

Francis/Ridley can probably both play the sweeper role with McKenna/Saad giving you the run and carry. It's not like Francis/Ridley are KPP's, they're probably both looking at being the BJ replacement which makes me think you're on the money with they only have room for one.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: enzedder on March 05, 2019, 03:23:03 AM
I didn’t really want to fork out over $200k on a rookie but Walsh has come into my team for the first time at Miles’ expense.
If it goes pear shaped I’ll end up with the other 60% of owners who have him. On balance it’s a no brainer, don’t know why it took me so long,
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: crowls on March 05, 2019, 06:24:10 AM
because he is a 200k rookie and will ripen like a green tomato.  youhave him at d6?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: enzedder on March 05, 2019, 06:55:01 AM
because he is a 200k rookie and will ripen like a green tomato.  youhave him at d6?
Walsh is my M6. Slow burn possibly but should score decently on the field.
D6 is up in the air atm, but safe to say it won’t be the same green tomato.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on March 05, 2019, 06:55:36 AM
because he is a 200k rookie and will ripen like a green tomato.  youhave him at d6?
I wish, unfortunately he's mid only though :(
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: crowls on March 05, 2019, 07:29:05 AM
because he is a 200k rookie and will ripen like a green tomato.  youhave him at d6?
Walsh is my M6. Slow burn possibly but should score decently on the field.
D6 is up in the air atm, but safe to say it won’t be the same green tomato.
Now that I have rubbed the grit out of my eyes and woken up,  I did mean m6.  sorry guys.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 05, 2019, 02:54:17 PM
I remember someone on here posted about the best R3 loophole options, does anyone know where that went?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: imjusflexin on March 05, 2019, 03:05:40 PM
I remember someone on here posted about the best R3 loophole options, does anyone know where that went?
J. Sweet 102k WBD locked into my R3
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkboy80 on March 05, 2019, 03:08:08 PM
I'm keen to hear any Eagles supporters thoughts on Hamish Brayshaw for this year, if he stays fit surely he comes into the eagles mid rotation at some stage
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 05, 2019, 03:11:19 PM
I remember someone on here posted about the best R3 loophole options, does anyone know where that went?
J. Sweet 102k WBD locked into my R3

They got the most Sundi's?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 05, 2019, 03:12:24 PM
I'm keen to hear any Eagles supporters thoughts on Hamish Brayshaw for this year, if he stays fit surely he comes into the eagles mid rotation at some stage

I'd think it would be pretty unlikely that he gets a run this year, and if he does I imagine it would be short lived

I remember someone on here posted about the best R3 loophole options, does anyone know where that went?

SC Strategy section
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Southstorm on March 05, 2019, 03:39:22 PM
As much a fan of Ridley as I am I don't see him as a lock for round 1.

Hooker, Hurley, Ambrose, Saad, Francis, McKenna seems to be our likely back 6 when round 1 starts.

I started doing some research the other night after I watched him play. Seems like he is highly rated and I like what I saw. If McGrath does go into the midfield that 7th spot in the rotation would be open for him to grab it.

If we have 3 talls down back plus Francis, Ridley, Belly, Daniher and one of McKernan/Clarke (or both) all in the same side I see us being too top heavy which under the 6-6-6 to me would be a major concern.

Marty Gleeson and Mason Redmond recovering from injury would make more sense as they are more versatile to play that additional defensive/mid rotation role.
Hooker out opens doors. I doubt Ambrose and Hartley play in the same side anymore; they're too limited as players. Francis to play third tall and Ridley as seventh defender.

Gleeson is miles away and won't walk straight in. Redman will also have to go through the 2s. Ridley very highly rated at Essendon, think he's a good chance to put a full season together and be a nice little cash cow before the byes.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on March 05, 2019, 05:02:43 PM
I'm keen to hear any Eagles supporters thoughts on Hamish Brayshaw for this year, if he stays fit surely he comes into the eagles mid rotation at some stage
Have heard he has been told that he is only eligible for selection when Gaff is not playing
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 05, 2019, 11:11:56 PM
I'm keen to hear any Eagles supporters thoughts on Hamish Brayshaw for this year, if he stays fit surely he comes into the eagles mid rotation at some stage

Wouldn’t be in our top 30 rotation imo.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 06, 2019, 07:59:48 AM
regarding Ridley

Dea out for 6 weeks
Gleeson TBC ankle injury
Redman TBC ankle injury

Ridley doesnt have much competition for spots rn
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 06, 2019, 10:45:22 AM
regarding Ridley

Dea out for 6 weeks
Gleeson TBC ankle injury
Redman TBC ankle injury

Ridley doesnt have much competition for spots rn

Ridley at 230k or B.Smith at 330k, reckon the answer is pretty definitive.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: dmac07 on March 06, 2019, 11:38:50 AM
regarding Ridley

Dea out for 6 weeks
Gleeson TBC ankle injury
Redman TBC ankle injury

Ridley doesnt have much competition for spots rn

Ridley at 230k or B.Smith at 330k, reckon the answer is pretty definitive.

The answer is neither..?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: frenzy on March 06, 2019, 11:42:17 AM
Just like last season, the majority of rookies were all mature aged and this theme looks set to continue this season.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 06, 2019, 12:20:04 PM
regarding Ridley

Dea out for 6 weeks
Gleeson TBC ankle injury
Redman TBC ankle injury

Ridley doesnt have much competition for spots rn

Ridley at 230k or B.Smith at 330k, reckon the answer is pretty definitive.

The answer is neither..?

Horses for courses, I'd take Smith out of those two.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkboy80 on March 06, 2019, 12:35:33 PM
I'm keen to hear any Eagles supporters thoughts on Hamish Brayshaw for this year, if he stays fit surely he comes into the eagles mid rotation at some stage

Wouldn’t be in our top 30 rotation imo.
So not up to his younger brothers level ?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Holz on March 06, 2019, 01:17:05 PM
I'm keen to hear any Eagles supporters thoughts on Hamish Brayshaw for this year, if he stays fit surely he comes into the eagles mid rotation at some stage

Wouldn’t be in our top 30 rotation imo.
So not up to his younger brothers level ?

well he isnt, there is a clear talent gap given the draft positions.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Gigantor on March 06, 2019, 01:19:15 PM
I'm keen to hear any Eagles supporters thoughts on Hamish Brayshaw for this year, if he stays fit surely he comes into the eagles mid rotation at some stage

Wouldn’t be in our top 30 rotation imo.
So not up to his younger brothers level ?

Pick 2 vs Pick 68, pretty clear there is a difference haha
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: js19 on March 06, 2019, 02:37:02 PM
I'm keen to hear any Eagles supporters thoughts on Hamish Brayshaw for this year, if he stays fit surely he comes into the eagles mid rotation at some stage

Wouldn’t be in our top 30 rotation imo.
So not up to his younger brothers level ?

Pick 2 vs Pick 68, pretty clear there is a difference haha

By that logic, he’s no Tambling :p
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Money Shot on March 06, 2019, 03:30:00 PM
Just watched the Geelong v West Coast game and Clark is now locked in my side. Was very impressive.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: crowls on March 06, 2019, 04:12:39 PM
I'm keen to hear any Eagles supporters thoughts on Hamish Brayshaw for this year, if he stays fit surely he comes into the eagles mid rotation at some stage

Wouldn’t be in our top 30 rotation imo.
So not up to his younger brothers level ?

Pick 2 vs Pick 68, pretty clear there is a difference haha
Hamish could be the Aussie "tom brady".  Bit early to write the kid off as not as good as-
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 06, 2019, 04:29:14 PM
Just watched the Geelong v West Coast game and Clark is now locked in my side. Was very impressive.

Tad late to the party there mate ;) Didnt jump 10% in teams for nothing.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Money Shot on March 06, 2019, 04:33:36 PM
Just watched the Geelong v West Coast game and Clark is now locked in my side. Was very impressive.

Tad late to the party there mate ;) Didnt jump 10% in teams for nothing.
Fair point ;D
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 06, 2019, 05:31:28 PM
Constable, Clark, Miers, Atkins and Fort all named for JLT 2

Ridley named for Dons too
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on March 06, 2019, 07:25:42 PM
Constable, Clark, Miers, Atkins and Fort all named for JLT 2

Ridley named for Dons too
My boy Gryan! Gonna average at least a hundo this year
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Fid on March 06, 2019, 07:42:50 PM
Zac Clarke is not named
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on March 06, 2019, 08:34:02 PM
Zac Clarke is not named

That's a worry. McKernan not named either so they are obviously in favour of 1 ruckman with someone like Daniher pinch hitting
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Southstorm on March 06, 2019, 09:21:15 PM
Zac Clarke is not named

That's a worry. McKernan not named either so they are obviously in favour of 1 ruckman with someone like Daniher pinch hitting
Sam Draper was named, looks like they're giving him a run instead.

I must say, this is a very weird team selection by Essendon for JLT2. Stringer in the C, Daniher the only tall in the on-field forwards, Brown at FB, David flowering Myers at CHF and Ridley on ball. I know you can't read into the lineups too much but this is just taking the piss.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 07, 2019, 05:37:34 PM
Ollie Hanrahan just survived a 14 man cut to feature for the Hawks. Jones only got Emergency. Its a full strength squad so that could be another forward rookie locked in for Round 1. The kid single handily put Box Hill into the granny last year and the club have big wraps on him. Had 19 touches from 75% TOG. Slightly better scoring potential than your Parkers/Petrrucelle's.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: SilverLion on March 07, 2019, 05:39:06 PM
Ollie Hanrahan just survived a 14 man cut to feature for the Hawks. Jones only got Emergency. Its a full strength squad so that could be another Fwd rookie locked in for Round 1. The kid single handily put Box Hill into the granny last year and the clubs have big wraps on him. Had 19 touches from 75% TOG
No rookies are locked at this stage mate, except Walsh probably.

A good option if he does get named round 1 though of course.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 07, 2019, 07:52:00 PM
Griffin Logue has pinged a string and is in doubt for Round 1

Hope he actually plays Round 1, because the more people that pick him the better  :P
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 07, 2019, 07:55:34 PM
Griffin Logue has pinged a string and is in doubt for Round 1

Hope he actually plays Round 1, because the more people that pick him the better  :P

Poor bloke cant get a run. We may struggle to find even 3 decent back rookies at this stage tho  :-X
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 07, 2019, 07:59:30 PM
Ollie Hanrahan just survived a 14 man cut to feature for the Hawks. Jones only got Emergency. Its a full strength squad so that could be another forward rookie locked in for Round 1. The kid single handily put Box Hill into the granny last year and the club have big wraps on him. Had 19 touches from 75% TOG. Slightly better scoring potential than your Parkers/Petrrucelle's.

Dylan Moore the one I've been watching, and he's still in

Mitch Lewis held his spot too
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 07, 2019, 08:03:58 PM
Ollie Hanrahan just survived a 14 man cut to feature for the Hawks. Jones only got Emergency. Its a full strength squad so that could be another forward rookie locked in for Round 1. The kid single handily put Box Hill into the granny last year and the club have big wraps on him. Had 19 touches from 75% TOG. Slightly better scoring potential than your Parkers/Petrrucelle's.

Dylan Moore the one I've been watching, and he's still in

Mitch Lewis held his spot too

Mitch Lewis may as well be in the change rooms half the time. Goes missing for so long, has a lot to learn. Moore and Ollie are playing for the same spot but may not be there when Chad comes back. For our sake we'd rather Ollie, more scoring potential. Moore is your more typical goal sneak but i did tip him last year to play early. Personally i wouldn't take him over Setters/Drew/Balta of course. Seems like for like with your Parker types
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 07, 2019, 08:08:00 PM
Ollie Hanrahan just survived a 14 man cut to feature for the Hawks. Jones only got Emergency. Its a full strength squad so that could be another forward rookie locked in for Round 1. The kid single handily put Box Hill into the granny last year and the club have big wraps on him. Had 19 touches from 75% TOG. Slightly better scoring potential than your Parkers/Petrrucelle's.

Dylan Moore the one I've been watching, and he's still in

Mitch Lewis held his spot too

Mitch Lewis may as well be in the change rooms half the time. Goes missing for so long, has a lot to learn. Moore and Ollie are playing for the same spot but may not be there when Chad comes back. For our sake we'd rather Ollie, more scoring potential. Moore is your more typical goal sneak but i did tip him last year to play early. Personally i wouldn't take him over Setters/Drew/Balta of course. Seems like for like with your Parker types

Yeah wouldn't be fielding any Hawk fwd rookie, but the more bench options we have the better

Parker, Cavarra, Petrucelle, Moore are the guys I'm looking to fill the bench - won't be fielding them
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 07, 2019, 08:11:54 PM
Ollie Hanrahan just survived a 14 man cut to feature for the Hawks. Jones only got Emergency. Its a full strength squad so that could be another forward rookie locked in for Round 1. The kid single handily put Box Hill into the granny last year and the club have big wraps on him. Had 19 touches from 75% TOG. Slightly better scoring potential than your Parkers/Petrrucelle's.

Dylan Moore the one I've been watching, and he's still in

Mitch Lewis held his spot too

Mitch Lewis may as well be in the change rooms half the time. Goes missing for so long, has a lot to learn. Moore and Ollie are playing for the same spot but may not be there when Chad comes back. For our sake we'd rather Ollie, more scoring potential. Moore is your more typical goal sneak but i did tip him last year to play early. Personally i wouldn't take him over Setters/Drew/Balta of course. Seems like for like with your Parker types

Yeah wouldn't be fielding any Hawk fwd rookie, but the more bench options we have the better

Parker, Cavarra, Petrucelle, Moore are the guys I'm looking to fill the bench - won't be fielding them

Parker seems safe as houses to take one of them. Its just the last spot. Whats going on with the Cav? He expected to play this week? I always assumed he'd score a little better than your Petrucelle, Moore, Miers types.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on March 07, 2019, 08:41:16 PM
Ollie Hanrahan just survived a 14 man cut to feature for the Hawks. Jones only got Emergency. Its a full strength squad so that could be another forward rookie locked in for Round 1. The kid single handily put Box Hill into the granny last year and the club have big wraps on him. Had 19 touches from 75% TOG. Slightly better scoring potential than your Parkers/Petrrucelle's.

Dylan Moore the one I've been watching, and he's still in

Mitch Lewis held his spot too
Moore will get you about 6 touches and a goal a game, wouldn't go near him
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 07, 2019, 10:18:48 PM
Constable, Atkins and Clarke have all done everything they can to press for a Round 1 spot, and all 3 have done well SC wise too

I think we can safely place all 3 in our sides for now, but making sure we have some back up rookies just in case any of them miss

I'm going with Clarke D6, Constable M8 and Atkins M10. Just need to wait for Round 1 teams now
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 07, 2019, 10:20:57 PM
Ridley with a 97 and a 94 in back to back games. I'm really liking him at D5 with Collins, Clark and Burgess on the bench.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 07, 2019, 10:36:25 PM
Ridley with a 97 and a 94 in back to back games. I'm really liking him at D5 with Collins, Clark and Burgess on the bench.

Idk how he has pulled a 94 from those stats sheesh but he is getting tempting. Getting Bonner vibes from him tho...
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: _wato on March 07, 2019, 10:40:10 PM
Ridley with a 97 and a 94 in back to back games. I'm really liking him at D5 with Collins, Clark and Burgess on the bench.

Idk how he has pulled a 94 from those stats sheesh but he is getting tempting. Getting Bonner vibes from him tho...

Riley flowering Bonner hahhahaha, too true
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 07, 2019, 10:44:57 PM
Idk how he has pulled a 94 from those stats sheesh but he is getting tempting. Getting Bonner vibes from him tho...

High DE%, 50% of his touches were contested and a goal early in the game. He could turn into a Bonner, but he is essentially an expensive rookie and it gives you flexibility to trade him out if he flops.

Also looked like he was taking the kick ins which was interesting
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 07, 2019, 10:56:11 PM
Idk how he has pulled a 94 from those stats sheesh but he is getting tempting. Getting Bonner vibes from him tho...

High DE%, 50% of his touches were contested and a goal early in the game. He could turn into a Bonner, but he is essentially an expensive rookie and it gives you flexibility to trade him out if he flops.

Also looked like he was taking the kick ins which was interesting

Would rather pay 80k extra for Brodie Smith, at least we know he's AA quality.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: crowls on March 07, 2019, 11:01:00 PM
Idk how he has pulled a 94 from those stats sheesh but he is getting tempting. Getting Bonner vibes from him tho...

High DE%, 50% of his touches were contested and a goal early in the game. He could turn into a Bonner, but he is essentially an expensive rookie and it gives you flexibility to trade him out if he flops.

Also looked like he was taking the kick ins which was interesting

Would rather pay 80k extra for Brodie Smith, at least we know he's AA quality.
AA - 12 step program for those that start him.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 07, 2019, 11:02:43 PM
Idk how he has pulled a 94 from those stats sheesh but he is getting tempting. Getting Bonner vibes from him tho...

High DE%, 50% of his touches were contested and a goal early in the game. He could turn into a Bonner, but he is essentially an expensive rookie and it gives you flexibility to trade him out if he flops.

Also looked like he was taking the kick ins which was interesting

Would rather pay 80k extra for Brodie Smith, at least we know he's AA quality.
AA - 12 step program for those that start him.

Compared to Ridley? Happy to have a wager as to who's the better option.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 07, 2019, 11:04:49 PM
You realise one is essentially rookie priced and one is pure mid pricer. It's apples and oranges. It's like saying 'I'd rather spend the extra 80k over Walsh to start Libba'
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 07, 2019, 11:25:20 PM
You realise one is essentially rookie priced and one is pure mid pricer. It's apples and oranges. It's like saying 'I'd rather spend the extra 80k over Walsh to start Libba'

I don't buy this artificial line in the sand reasoning, it's bollocks when you are talking about 80k, Walsh is a rookie but is 100k more than Gibbons. I'd prefer to argue the merits of each position on the field, that is the only logical comparison. When weighing up the merits of Smith I'm tossing up whether or not  I should pay 188k for Collins, to me it comes down to upside & also the possibility I won't have to trade until after the byes. Smith has a great bye too so that is also factored into his starting price, fprm also pretty good in his past 13 games (five tons & seven 90+ scores). I'm also looking at roles on the field & Smith is being touted as a kick out player, think people need to look beyond the stale mid pricer vs rookie debates.

And just to throw a spanner in the works I'm probably not going to pick Walsh as most first year players struggle to hit 75.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 07, 2019, 11:30:34 PM
But you aren't going to start a team full of 22 mid price options or field someone like Gibbons either. You're going to have to make concessions somewhere and that is generally which rookies are worth fielding and how much you're willing to pay for them. Ridley is exactly that. He appears to have a fantasy friendly role, is highly rated internally and has proved he can put up points the last couple of games.

For the record, I currently have Smith at D3 with Roberton, Ridley, Collins on the field. I don't think Smith will turn into a keeper, but he is a decent stepping stone at a position you can afford to pick a guy that will average 85.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 07, 2019, 11:43:17 PM
But you aren't going to start a team full of 22 mid price options or field someone like Gibbons either. You're going to have to make concessions somewhere and that is generally which rookies are worth fielding and how much you're willing to pay for them. Ridley is exactly that. He appears to have a fantasy friendly role, is highly rated internally and has proved he can put up points the last couple of games.

For the record, I currently have Smith at D3 with Roberton, Ridley, Collins on the field. I don't think Smith will turn into a keeper, but he is a decent stepping stone at a position you can afford to pick a guy that will average 85.

We're pretty much on the same page only different structures, I'm playing Roberton at D5 & Clark at D6, feeling content with that set up for the moment.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: crowls on March 08, 2019, 05:55:28 AM
But you aren't going to start a team full of 22 mid price options or field someone like Gibbons either. You're going to have to make concessions somewhere and that is generally which rookies are worth fielding and how much you're willing to pay for them. Ridley is exactly that. He appears to have a fantasy friendly role, is highly rated internally and has proved he can put up points the last couple of games.

For the record, I currently have Smith at D3 with Roberton, Ridley, Collins on the field. I don't think Smith will turn into a keeper, but he is a decent stepping stone at a position you can afford to pick a guy that will average 85.
that makes sense, and the def is a spot where it pays not to overpay at the start of the year.  those that are seeing smith as a keeper are most likely to be disappointed.    ridley and smith are similar options.   higher point scoring stepping stones.   will the points per $ be value compared to a lower priced rookie.  with smith there is also the potential for another AA year and he ends up a keeper.   my opinion is no.   i have roberton, greene and libba atm and hoping two of them become keepers.   doesnt mean smith is a bad pick it depends on what you are expecting and paying for.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 08, 2019, 06:34:08 AM
I don't mind the Smith selection, can certainly understand the reasoning behind it but I'm not picking him simply because I don't want to get stuck with too many mid pricers

It's all good and well to say you'll upgrade him, he's a stepping stone etc, but the reality is that during the actual season you're going to have injuries to deal with, as well as upgrading rookies to prems, and with just 2 trades a week, if he (or any other mid pricer) is putting up 80ish you're going to keep him because getting a rookie off field is more of a priority

Fast forward to the business end of the season and you've still got that mid pricer because you've been upgrading and dealing with injuries, and by then it's too late, you're already too far behind having settled for their mid price average all season because you had other priorities

And that's why I only pick mid pricers that I hope will turn into keepers.

Back on topic though, I cannot see the appeal of Ridley at all

He scores well, but his JS will always be questionable and he's way too expensive for someone with uncertain JS, not to mention he'll take much longer to make just as much cash as someone 100k cheaper will. He's more expensive than Walsh! No chance I'd start him
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: batt on March 08, 2019, 07:01:58 AM
You realise one is essentially rookie priced and one is pure mid pricer. It's apples and oranges. It's like saying 'I'd rather spend the extra 80k over Walsh to start Libba'

I don't buy this artificial line in the sand reasoning, it's bollocks when you are talking about 80k, Walsh is a rookie but is 100k more than Gibbons. I'd prefer to argue the merits of each position on the field, that is the only logical comparison. When weighing up the merits of Smith I'm tossing up whether or not  I should pay 188k for Collins, to me it comes down to upside & also the possibility I won't have to trade until after the byes. Smith has a great bye too so that is also factored into his starting price, fprm also pretty good in his past 13 games (five tons & seven 90+ scores). I'm also looking at roles on the field & Smith is being touted as a kick out player, think people need to look beyond the stale mid pricer vs rookie debates.

And just to throw a spanner in the works I'm probably not going to pick Walsh as most first year players struggle to hit 75.
Well it's a line in the sand because at $200k you're looking for a $200k profit.

At $300k a $200k profit is a low end keeper.

A $300k mid pricer that makes $150k is a failure because of the opportunity cost.  Not the same story for a $200k rookie - you can live with a $150k profit, particularly if they are a popular pick.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Money Shot on March 08, 2019, 08:35:30 AM
With Ridley performing well in two games he is definitely coming into my considerations.

What role has he played in both games?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 08, 2019, 09:44:24 AM
With Ridley performing well in two games he is definitely coming into my considerations.

What role has he played in both games?

Sweeping at HB and taking some of the kickins
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Money Shot on March 08, 2019, 09:49:14 AM
With Ridley performing well in two games he is definitely coming into my considerations.

What role has he played in both games?

Sweeping at HB and taking some of the kickins
Great position to score in but Essendon have so many of those types. I’ll pass. Could also be a Bonner 2.0
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 08, 2019, 10:31:56 AM
You realise one is essentially rookie priced and one is pure mid pricer. It's apples and oranges. It's like saying 'I'd rather spend the extra 80k over Walsh to start Libba'

I don't buy this artificial line in the sand reasoning, it's bollocks when you are talking about 80k, Walsh is a rookie but is 100k more than Gibbons. I'd prefer to argue the merits of each position on the field, that is the only logical comparison. When weighing up the merits of Smith I'm tossing up whether or not  I should pay 188k for Collins, to me it comes down to upside & also the possibility I won't have to trade until after the byes. Smith has a great bye too so that is also factored into his starting price, fprm also pretty good in his past 13 games (five tons & seven 90+ scores). I'm also looking at roles on the field & Smith is being touted as a kick out player, think people need to look beyond the stale mid pricer vs rookie debates.

And just to throw a spanner in the works I'm probably not going to pick Walsh as most first year players struggle to hit 75.
Well it's a line in the sand because at $200k you're looking for a $200k profit.

At $300k a $200k profit is a low end keeper.

A $300k mid pricer that makes $150k is a failure because of the opportunity cost.  Not the same story for a $200k rookie - you can live with a $150k profit, particularly if they are a popular pick.

Think you will find very few rookies/mid pricers make 200k profit, 150k more realistic. When I take Smith for example, I can see his ceiling will be in the 450k-500k range, he has hit that mark pretty much every season. The real question is when, given he's a high standard deviation player that could work out ie. around the byes, or it could be poor timing & I'm stuck with him indefinitely. That is the risk I'm willing to take because I'd rather see who emerges as a top 6 mid.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Holz on March 08, 2019, 10:39:56 AM
You realise one is essentially rookie priced and one is pure mid pricer. It's apples and oranges. It's like saying 'I'd rather spend the extra 80k over Walsh to start Libba'

I don't buy this artificial line in the sand reasoning, it's bollocks when you are talking about 80k, Walsh is a rookie but is 100k more than Gibbons. I'd prefer to argue the merits of each position on the field, that is the only logical comparison. When weighing up the merits of Smith I'm tossing up whether or not  I should pay 188k for Collins, to me it comes down to upside & also the possibility I won't have to trade until after the byes. Smith has a great bye too so that is also factored into his starting price, fprm also pretty good in his past 13 games (five tons & seven 90+ scores). I'm also looking at roles on the field & Smith is being touted as a kick out player, think people need to look beyond the stale mid pricer vs rookie debates.

And just to throw a spanner in the works I'm probably not going to pick Walsh as most first year players struggle to hit 75.
Well it's a line in the sand because at $200k you're looking for a $200k profit.

At $300k a $200k profit is a low end keeper.

A $300k mid pricer that makes $150k is a failure because of the opportunity cost.  Not the same story for a $200k rookie - you can live with a $150k profit, particularly if they are a popular pick.

Think you will find very few rookies/mid pricers make 200k profit, 150k more realistic. When I take Smith for example, I can see his ceiling will be in the 450k-500k range, he has hit that mark pretty much every season. The real question is when, given he's a high standard deviation player that could work out ie. around the byes, or it could be poor timing & I'm stuck with him indefinitely. That is the risk I'm willing to take because I'd rather see who emerges as a top 6 mid.

a 80 player is valued at 435k and players dont reach that value due to the magic number and how the rolling average works. So if he puts up 80ish then he will likely make less then 100k.

For Brad Crouch if he goes 95 then thats a value of 520k so if he does that he will go up around 80k.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 08, 2019, 11:02:49 AM
You realise one is essentially rookie priced and one is pure mid pricer. It's apples and oranges. It's like saying 'I'd rather spend the extra 80k over Walsh to start Libba'

I don't buy this artificial line in the sand reasoning, it's bollocks when you are talking about 80k, Walsh is a rookie but is 100k more than Gibbons. I'd prefer to argue the merits of each position on the field, that is the only logical comparison. When weighing up the merits of Smith I'm tossing up whether or not  I should pay 188k for Collins, to me it comes down to upside & also the possibility I won't have to trade until after the byes. Smith has a great bye too so that is also factored into his starting price, fprm also pretty good in his past 13 games (five tons & seven 90+ scores). I'm also looking at roles on the field & Smith is being touted as a kick out player, think people need to look beyond the stale mid pricer vs rookie debates.

And just to throw a spanner in the works I'm probably not going to pick Walsh as most first year players struggle to hit 75.
Well it's a line in the sand because at $200k you're looking for a $200k profit.

At $300k a $200k profit is a low end keeper.

A $300k mid pricer that makes $150k is a failure because of the opportunity cost.  Not the same story for a $200k rookie - you can live with a $150k profit, particularly if they are a popular pick.

Think you will find very few rookies/mid pricers make 200k profit, 150k more realistic. When I take Smith for example, I can see his ceiling will be in the 450k-500k range, he has hit that mark pretty much every season. The real question is when, given he's a high standard deviation player that could work out ie. around the byes, or it could be poor timing & I'm stuck with him indefinitely. That is the risk I'm willing to take because I'd rather see who emerges as a top 6 mid.

a 80 player is valued at 435k and players dont reach that value due to the magic number and how the rolling average works. So if he puts up 80ish then he will likely make less then 100k.

For Brad Crouch if he goes 95 then thats a value of 520k so if he does that he will go up around 80k.

Smith is a high standard deviation player, he is also a confidence player who can have some decent stretches.

2017 (round 12-21) - 114, 60, 108, 91, 77, 80, 127, 91, 125
2016 (round 1-6) - 94, 86, 107, 65, 87, 82
2015 (round 17-22) - 83, 64, 101, 76, 108, 126
2014 (round 7-14) - 138, 102, 67, 123, 98, 133, 89

I don't think it's a question of' 'if' he'll hit 450k, it's more about when he does it. Given he looks to be in pretty good form I'm rolling the dice & hopefully by the round 14 bye he'll be an easy sideways trade to a top 6 defender.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Holz on March 08, 2019, 11:09:32 AM
You realise one is essentially rookie priced and one is pure mid pricer. It's apples and oranges. It's like saying 'I'd rather spend the extra 80k over Walsh to start Libba'

I don't buy this artificial line in the sand reasoning, it's bollocks when you are talking about 80k, Walsh is a rookie but is 100k more than Gibbons. I'd prefer to argue the merits of each position on the field, that is the only logical comparison. When weighing up the merits of Smith I'm tossing up whether or not  I should pay 188k for Collins, to me it comes down to upside & also the possibility I won't have to trade until after the byes. Smith has a great bye too so that is also factored into his starting price, fprm also pretty good in his past 13 games (five tons & seven 90+ scores). I'm also looking at roles on the field & Smith is being touted as a kick out player, think people need to look beyond the stale mid pricer vs rookie debates.

And just to throw a spanner in the works I'm probably not going to pick Walsh as most first year players struggle to hit 75.
Well it's a line in the sand because at $200k you're looking for a $200k profit.

At $300k a $200k profit is a low end keeper.

A $300k mid pricer that makes $150k is a failure because of the opportunity cost.  Not the same story for a $200k rookie - you can live with a $150k profit, particularly if they are a popular pick.

Think you will find very few rookies/mid pricers make 200k profit, 150k more realistic. When I take Smith for example, I can see his ceiling will be in the 450k-500k range, he has hit that mark pretty much every season. The real question is when, given he's a high standard deviation player that could work out ie. around the byes, or it could be poor timing & I'm stuck with him indefinitely. That is the risk I'm willing to take because I'd rather see who emerges as a top 6 mid.

a 80 player is valued at 435k and players dont reach that value due to the magic number and how the rolling average works. So if he puts up 80ish then he will likely make less then 100k.

For Brad Crouch if he goes 95 then thats a value of 520k so if he does that he will go up around 80k.

Smith is a high standard deviation player, he is also a confidence player who can have some decent stretches.

2017 (round 12-21) - 114, 60, 108, 91, 77, 80, 127, 91, 125
2016 (round 1-6) - 94, 86, 107, 65, 87, 82
2015 (round 17-22) - 83, 64, 101, 76, 108, 126
2014 (round 7-14) - 138, 102, 67, 123, 98, 133, 89

I don't think it's a question of' 'if' he'll hit 450k, it's more about when he does it. Given he looks to be in pretty good form I'm rolling the dice & hopefully by the round 14 bye he'll be an easy sideways trade to a top 6 defender.

ok but if he is to average 80 and he has some good purple patches doesn't that mean he also has some quiet patches.

what if he comes out like 2017 and goes

85 81 73 95 74 76 48 84 35 60 114 60

I have him going up to 355k and averaging 74. That would be an absolute disaster.

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 08, 2019, 12:11:51 PM
You realise one is essentially rookie priced and one is pure mid pricer. It's apples and oranges. It's like saying 'I'd rather spend the extra 80k over Walsh to start Libba'

I don't buy this artificial line in the sand reasoning, it's bollocks when you are talking about 80k, Walsh is a rookie but is 100k more than Gibbons. I'd prefer to argue the merits of each position on the field, that is the only logical comparison. When weighing up the merits of Smith I'm tossing up whether or not  I should pay 188k for Collins, to me it comes down to upside & also the possibility I won't have to trade until after the byes. Smith has a great bye too so that is also factored into his starting price, fprm also pretty good in his past 13 games (five tons & seven 90+ scores). I'm also looking at roles on the field & Smith is being touted as a kick out player, think people need to look beyond the stale mid pricer vs rookie debates.

And just to throw a spanner in the works I'm probably not going to pick Walsh as most first year players struggle to hit 75.
Well it's a line in the sand because at $200k you're looking for a $200k profit.

At $300k a $200k profit is a low end keeper.

A $300k mid pricer that makes $150k is a failure because of the opportunity cost.  Not the same story for a $200k rookie - you can live with a $150k profit, particularly if they are a popular pick.

Think you will find very few rookies/mid pricers make 200k profit, 150k more realistic. When I take Smith for example, I can see his ceiling will be in the 450k-500k range, he has hit that mark pretty much every season. The real question is when, given he's a high standard deviation player that could work out ie. around the byes, or it could be poor timing & I'm stuck with him indefinitely. That is the risk I'm willing to take because I'd rather see who emerges as a top 6 mid.

a 80 player is valued at 435k and players dont reach that value due to the magic number and how the rolling average works. So if he puts up 80ish then he will likely make less then 100k.

For Brad Crouch if he goes 95 then thats a value of 520k so if he does that he will go up around 80k.

Smith is a high standard deviation player, he is also a confidence player who can have some decent stretches.

2017 (round 12-21) - 114, 60, 108, 91, 77, 80, 127, 91, 125
2016 (round 1-6) - 94, 86, 107, 65, 87, 82
2015 (round 17-22) - 83, 64, 101, 76, 108, 126
2014 (round 7-14) - 138, 102, 67, 123, 98, 133, 89

I don't think it's a question of' 'if' he'll hit 450k, it's more about when he does it. Given he looks to be in pretty good form I'm rolling the dice & hopefully by the round 14 bye he'll be an easy sideways trade to a top 6 defender.

ok but if he is to average 80 and he has some good purple patches doesn't that mean he also has some quiet patches.

what if he comes out like 2017 and goes

85 81 73 95 74 76 48 84 35 60 114 60

I have him going up to 355k and averaging 74. That would be an absolute disaster.

Well that's the luck of the draw I guess, going on his last 13 games I'm rolling the dice, his JLT form a continuation of that recent trend. Could be a dud pick but as an absolute worst case scenario he makes small amount & I bring in a top 6 defender. Think with the mid pricers it's a lottery but you generally need to make a couple of correct calls to get an edge. I have B.Crouch/Greene/Williams/B.Smith/Roberton, that's 5 & with any luck I walk away with 3 keepers.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: SilverLion on March 08, 2019, 02:56:47 PM
Seems at least one of Wilkie/Joyce should play for the Saints round 1, as Austin isn't playing in JLT2 either (heaven knows why).

So should be another rookie there to look at.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: dmac07 on March 09, 2019, 09:53:36 AM
Rory Thompson has done his ACL and is out for the year. Does this make Collins a better pick? Suring up his job security if it wasn't already good.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: SilverLion on March 09, 2019, 10:00:53 AM
Done this in previous years, seemed to be useful, thought I'd make a list of all the rookies with at a decent chance of playing rd. 1 for reference. (Walsh's price or cheaper, bolded the 124ks or less)

Will narrow the list to just confirmed players when the round 1 sides get named :)

If I'm forgetting anyone, or if anyone here is confirmed no chance lemme know and I'll amend it though.



Defence:

Keeffe 8) ($190,500)
(FWD) Rozee ($189,300)
Collins ($188,900)
Cumming ($173,700)
Logue ($164,300)
Quaynor ($153,300)
Scrimshaw ($149,800)
Clark ($144,300)
(MID) Duursma (130,800)
Wilkie ($124,900)
(FWD) Burgess ($123,900)
Jones ($123,900)
McKay ($123,900)
Joyce ($123,900)
Hore ($117,300)


Mids:

Walsh ($207,300)
Davies-Uniacke ($197,500)
B Smith ($180,300)
C Jones ($171,300)
Caldwell ($162,300)
Butters ($157,800)
Hately ($148,800)
Constable ($123,900)
Bewley ($117,300)
Hind ($117,300)
Hayes ($117,300)
Scott ($117,300)
Atkins ($112,900)
Gibbons ($102,400)

Rucks:

A Smith ($172,300)
Clarke ($142,600)
Fort ($117,300)

Forwards:

Lukosius ($202,800)
Rankine ($198,300)
Polson 8) ($191,800)
Blakey ($166,800)
Lewis ($149,000)
(MID) Setterfield ($144,900)
Miers ($123,900)
Hanrahan ($123,900)
(MID) Drew ($123,900)
Balta ($123,900)
Petrucelle ($123,900)
Parker ($117,300)
Cavarra ($117,300)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Nige on March 09, 2019, 10:02:57 AM
Rory Thompson has done his ACL and is out for the year. Does this make Collins a better pick? Suring up his job security if it wasn't already good.
Potentially means Ben King gets a run.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RoughRed on March 09, 2019, 10:06:19 AM
Done this in previous years, seemed to be useful, thought I'd make a list of all the rookies with at a decent chance of playing rd. 1 for reference: (Walsh's price or cheaper, bolded the 124ks or less)

Will narrow the list to just confirmed players when the round 1 sides get named :)

If I'm forgetting anyone, or if anyone here is confirmed no chance lemme know and I'll amend it though.

Defence:

Keeffe 8) ($190,500)
(FWD) Rozee ($189,300)
Collins ($188,900)
Cumming ($173,700)
Logue ($164,300)
Quaynor ($153,300)
Clark ($144,300)
(MID) Duursma (130,800)
Wilkie ($124,900)
(FWD) Burgess ($123,900)
Jones ($123,900)
McKay ($123,900)
Joyce ($123,900)
Hore ($117,300)


Mids:

Walsh ($207,300)
Davies-Uniacke ($197,500)
B Smith ($180,300)
C Jones ($171,300)
Caldwell ($162,300)
Butters ($157,800)
Hately ($148,800)
Constable ($123,900)
Bewley ($117,300)
Hind ($117,300)
Hayes ($117,300)
Atkins ($112,900)
Gibbons ($102,400)

Rucks:

A Smith ($172,300)
Clarke ($142,600)
Fort ($117,300)

Forwards:

Lukosius ($202,800)
Rankine ($198,300)
Polson 8) ($191,800)
Blakey ($166,800)
(MID) Setterfield ($144,900)
Lewis ($149,000)
Miers ($123,900)
Hanrahan ($123,900)
(MID) Drew ($123,900)
Balta ($123,900)
Petrucelle ($123,900)
Parker ($117,300)
Cavarra ($117,300)
Thanks SL
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Money Shot on March 09, 2019, 01:27:02 PM
Bailey Scott another rookie who should play round 1.

Should be good for a 60 average I think which wouldn’t be too bad for a bench player.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 09, 2019, 02:12:31 PM
Bailey Scott another rookie who should play round 1.

Should be good for a 60 average I think which wouldn’t be too bad for a bench player.

he looks very good, 17 touches and 2 goals in 58% TOG
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 09, 2019, 03:26:32 PM
Another great outing for Drew

Has to be a real chance of playing Round 1, and he can comfortably be fielded

F5/6 lock
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: frenzy on March 09, 2019, 03:34:35 PM
Another great outing for Drew

Has to be a real chance of playing Round 1, and he can comfortably be fielded

F5/6 lock

Duursmma was better than ok aswell.  $130k def/mid
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 09, 2019, 06:17:03 PM
James Cousins > Sam Walsh. No bias
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 09, 2019, 06:22:05 PM
Scrimshaw 12 touches in the first 1/4  :o :o :o He may just get a gig
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 09, 2019, 06:27:36 PM
James Cousins > Sam Walsh. No bias

Got both

Scrimshaw 12 touches in the first 1/4  :o :o :o He may just get a gig

He is going nuts!
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 09, 2019, 06:32:51 PM
James Cousins > Sam Walsh. No bias

Got both

Scrimshaw 12 touches in the first 1/4  :o :o :o He may just get a gig

He is going nuts!

That stat line from Scrimshaw is actually insane. 12 touches, 7 kicks, 4 marks, 6 contested, 2 clearances and a goal for 53 SC... Thats genuinely crazy numbers. Clarko has done it again
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: sammy123 on March 09, 2019, 06:36:37 PM
Damn scrimshaw. Could be a good pick
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 09, 2019, 07:01:46 PM
James Cousins > Sam Walsh. No bias

Got both

Scrimshaw 12 touches in the first 1/4  :o :o :o He may just get a gig

He is going nuts!

That stat line from Scrimshaw is actually insane. 12 touches, 7 kicks, 4 marks, 6 contested, 2 clearances and a goal for 53 SC... Thats genuinely crazy numbers. Clarko has done it again

Clarko? Settle down lol he was a Top 10 draft pick
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 09, 2019, 07:02:45 PM
lol hawkers
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 09, 2019, 07:04:11 PM
James Cousins > Sam Walsh. No bias

Got both

Scrimshaw 12 touches in the first 1/4  :o :o :o He may just get a gig

He is going nuts!

That stat line from Scrimshaw is actually insane. 12 touches, 7 kicks, 4 marks, 6 contested, 2 clearances and a goal for 53 SC... Thats genuinely crazy numbers. Clarko has done it again

Clarko? Settle down lol he was a Top 10 draft pick

Scouted him the beginning of last year, got the ground work in early, gave up peanuts and has turned someone who "didnt want to play footy anymore" into someone producing that stat line in his 2nd game. Play it down. I guess JOM wasnt a good turn around either cause he was a high pick? ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 09, 2019, 07:05:58 PM
Yep, it's all because of Clarko

And JOM? Lol! He's been a gun from day 1, only injury has stopped him, nothing to do with Clarko either
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 09, 2019, 07:07:08 PM
Yep, it's all because of Clarko
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 09, 2019, 07:08:59 PM
Yep, it's all because of Clarko

You'd think after his 15 years someone wouldn't doubt the man. Its well known Clarko takes a more first hand approach compared to other coaches when it comes to recruiting over the years. 
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 09, 2019, 07:12:03 PM
Yep, it's all because of Clarko

You'd think after his 15 years someone wouldn't doubt the man. Its well known Clarko takes a more first hand approach compared to other coaches when it comes to recruiting over the years.

Doubt the man? You're implying Scrimshaw had that big quarter because of Clarko and that's laughable

Kid went Pick 7,  obviously has a lot of talent. His stat's have nothing to do with Clarko

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 09, 2019, 07:15:41 PM
Yep, it's all because of Clarko

You'd think after his 15 years someone wouldn't doubt the man. Its well known Clarko takes a more first hand approach compared to other coaches when it comes to recruiting over the years.

Doubt the man? You're implying Scrimshaw had that big quarter because of Clarko and that's odd

Kid went Pick 7,  obviously has a lot of talent. His stat's have nothing to do with Clarko
I'm saying Clarko's recruiting ability is almost unrivalled and he has done it again this off season. So the stat line being in the brown in gold has nothing to do with Clarko...?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 09, 2019, 07:17:20 PM
Yep, it's all because of Clarko

You'd think after his 15 years someone wouldn't doubt the man. Its well known Clarko takes a more first hand approach compared to other coaches when it comes to recruiting over the years.

Doubt the man? You're implying Scrimshaw had that big quarter because of Clarko and that's odd

Kid went Pick 7,  obviously has a lot of talent. His stat's have nothing to do with Clarko

Whilst I won’t go as far as to say “Clarko has done it again” in a JLT game, I will definitely jump on hawkers bandwagon here if he repeats this in the real stuff.
I don’t know how anyone couldn’t agree with the statement Clarko has done it again if he does it in the real season.

It’s odd that you don’t think it’s got everything to do with Clarko.
Because yes it’s to do with Clarko with JOM as well.
And it will be to do with Clarko again if they get Scully up and going.

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 09, 2019, 07:20:18 PM
Mod Edit: "Hey look, this post disappeared because it's not relevant"
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 09, 2019, 07:23:56 PM
Yep, it's all because of Clarko

You'd think after his 15 years someone wouldn't doubt the man. Its well known Clarko takes a more first hand approach compared to other coaches when it comes to recruiting over the years.

Doubt the man? You're implying Scrimshaw had that big quarter because of Clarko and that's odd

Kid went Pick 7,  obviously has a lot of talent. His stat's have nothing to do with Clarko
I'm saying Clarko's recruiting ability is almost unrivalled and he has done it again this off season. So the stat line being in the brown in gold has nothing to do with Clarko...?
Clarko got a Pick 7 to the club because it was well known he wanted out - yeah that's genius! Who would have thought a Top 10 pick is actually a good player?!

Drafting a player who was a late pick for example would be worth bragging about, but to give Clarko credit in this case when the player was a Top 10 pick who wanted to leave his former club is odd

You're a Hawk supporter though, so I get that you support Clarko
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 09, 2019, 07:27:09 PM
Raisy has a habit of assuming implications. I legit wrote his stat line then said Clarko has done it again. Then Raisy comes in and says lol Clarko and cooks up i said his stats are cause of Clarko. You need a better grasp of learning to read someones implications rather than making something completely up to feed your argument. Clarko is a genius at recruiting, has been for 15 years now. You disagree with that then theres no point even arguing.

JOM pick 1
Scully pick 1
Scrimshaw pick 7

Yeah, takes a real genius to figure out they'd be good players to have on your list

I'm not assuming implications, you're simply giving praise to someone when it's not warranted
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 09, 2019, 07:31:18 PM
Yep, it's all because of Clarko

You'd think after his 15 years someone wouldn't doubt the man. Its well known Clarko takes a more first hand approach compared to other coaches when it comes to recruiting over the years.

Doubt the man? You're implying Scrimshaw had that big quarter because of Clarko and that's odd

Kid went Pick 7,  obviously has a lot of talent. His stat's have nothing to do with Clarko
I'm saying Clarko's recruiting ability is almost unrivalled and he has done it again this off season. So the stat line being in the brown in gold has nothing to do with Clarko...?
Clarko got a Pick 7 to the club because it was well known he wanted out - yeah that's genius! Who would have thought a Top 10 pick is actually a good player?!

Drafting a player who was a late pick for example would be worth bragging about, but to give Clarko credit in this case when the player was a Top 10 pick who wanted to leave his former club is laughable

You're a Hawk supporter though, so I get that you support Clarko

Mod Edit: Another post that has nothing of any note worth leaving! Wow!
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 09, 2019, 07:34:20 PM
Raisy has a habit of assuming implications. I legit wrote his stat line then said Clarko has done it again. Then Raisy comes in and says lol Clarko and cooks up i said his stats are cause of Clarko. You need a better grasp of learning to read someones implications rather than making something completely up to feed your argument. Clarko is a genius at recruiting, has been for 15 years now. You disagree with that then theres no point even arguing.

JOM pick 1
Scully pick 1
Scrimshaw pick 7

Yeah, takes a real genius to figure out they'd be good players to have on your list

I'm not assuming implications, you're simply giving praise to someone when it's not warranted

I’m just happy hawker is speaking his mind rather than like everyone else on here agreeing with one another.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 09, 2019, 07:35:40 PM
devon smith, dylan shiel, adam saad and stringer

id rather Worsfold thanks
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 09, 2019, 07:38:02 PM
Raisy has a habit of assuming implications. I legit wrote his stat line then said Clarko has done it again. Then Raisy comes in and says lol Clarko and cooks up i said his stats are cause of Clarko. You need a better grasp of learning to read someones implications rather than making something completely up to feed your argument. Clarko is a genius at recruiting, has been for 15 years now. You disagree with that then theres no point even arguing.

JOM pick 1
Scully pick 1
Scrimshaw pick 7

Yeah, takes a real genius to figure out they'd be good players to have on your list

I'm not assuming implications, you're simply giving praise to someone when it's not warranted

I’m just happy hawker is speaking his mind rather than like everyone else on here agreeing with one another.

Too many old timers on here that think their opinions are bulletproof because of the "Master Coach" next to their name.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 09, 2019, 07:40:28 PM
Yep, it's all because of Clarko

You'd think after his 15 years someone wouldn't doubt the man. Its well known Clarko takes a more first hand approach compared to other coaches when it comes to recruiting over the years.
Doubt the man? You're implying Scrimshaw had that big quarter because of Clarko and that's odd

Kid went Pick 7,  obviously has a lot of talent. His stat's have nothing to do with Clarko
I'm saying Clarko's recruiting ability is almost unrivalled and he has done it again this off season. So the stat line being in the brown in gold has nothing to do with Clarko...?
Clarko got a Pick 7 to the club because it was well known he wanted out - yeah that's genius! Who would have thought a Top 10 pick is actually a good player?!

Drafting a player who was a late pick for example would be worth bragging about, but to give Clarko credit in this case when the player was a Top 10 pick who wanted to leave his former club is laughable

You're a Hawk supporter though, so I get that you support Clarko
Mod Edit: Another post that has nothing of any note worth leaving! Wow!

Mod Edit: Who would've thought that the reply to an off-topic post was also going to be off topic?! Not me that's for sure!

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 09, 2019, 07:45:40 PM
Raisy has a habit of assuming implications. I legit wrote his stat line then said Clarko has done it again. Then Raisy comes in and says lol Clarko and cooks up i said his stats are cause of Clarko. You need a better grasp of learning to read someones implications rather than making something completely up to feed your argument. Clarko is a genius at recruiting, has been for 15 years now. You disagree with that then theres no point even arguing.

JOM pick 1
Scully pick 1
Scrimshaw pick 7

Yeah, takes a real genius to figure out they'd be good players to have on your list

I'm not assuming implications, you're simply giving praise to someone when it's not warranted

I’m just happy hawker is speaking his mind rather than like everyone else on here sucking up to one another.

Too many old timers on here that think their opinions are bulletproof because of the "Master Coach" next to their name.

Half of the people on here have ZERO idea about football in real life. They will be number crunching geeks sitting behind their keyboards.
In saying all that there are probably 5-6 people on here with some idea about the fantasy side of things.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 09, 2019, 07:47:15 PM
Raisy has a habit of assuming implications. I legit wrote his stat line then said Clarko has done it again. Then Raisy comes in and says lol Clarko and cooks up i said his stats are cause of Clarko. You need a better grasp of learning to read someones implications rather than making something completely up to feed your argument. Clarko is a genius at recruiting, has been for 15 years now. You disagree with that then theres no point even arguing.

JOM pick 1
Scully pick 1
Scrimshaw pick 7

Yeah, takes a real genius to figure out they'd be good players to have on your list

I'm not assuming implications, you're simply giving praise to someone when it's not warranted

I’m just happy hawker is speaking his mind rather than like everyone else on here sucking up to one another.

Too many old timers on here that think their opinions are bulletproof because of the "Master Coach" next to their name. Nothing worse than an ego being projected on everyone else's view from behind a keyboard.

Half of the people on here have ZERO idea about football in real life. They will be number crunching geeks sitting behind their keyboards.
In saying all that there are probably 5-6 people on here with some idea about the fantasy side of things.

Look you're not wrong
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 09, 2019, 07:48:22 PM
The irony

Hawker and eaglesman, the two people on this forum who talk down to everyone like they're far superior than the rest of us, are now teaming up together

How cute

Just for record, I’m not teaming up ... if hawker makes stupid comments I’ll berate him as much as I will you or anyone else.

Furthermore I actually agree with a lot of what you say most of the time haha
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 09, 2019, 07:50:34 PM
Raisy has a habit of assuming implications. I legit wrote his stat line then said Clarko has done it again. Then Raisy comes in and says lol Clarko and cooks up i said his stats are cause of Clarko. You need a better grasp of learning to read someones implications rather than making something completely up to feed your argument. Clarko is a genius at recruiting, has been for 15 years now. You disagree with that then theres no point even arguing.

JOM pick 1
Scully pick 1
Scrimshaw pick 7

Yeah, takes a real genius to figure out they'd be good players to have on your list

I'm not assuming implications, you're simply giving praise to someone when it's not warranted

I’m just happy hawker is speaking his mind rather than like everyone else on here sucking up to one another.

Too many old timers on here that think their opinions are bulletproof because of the "Master Coach" next to their name. Nothing worse than an ego being projected on everyone else's view from behind a keyboard.

Half of the people on here have ZERO idea about football in real life. They will be number crunching geeks sitting behind their keyboards.
In saying all that there are probably 5-6 people on here with some idea about the fantasy side of things.

Why do you feel the need to continually say most people here are idiots, and only you and 5-6 people you rate know anything?

You're an absolute legend, and when you keep saying stuff like that all it shows is how much I really enjoy your forum input.

You had a high finish one year, we can all learn from you. In fact, we can all learn from each other. Take in opinions from a wide variety of people that we may or may not agree with.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Nige on March 09, 2019, 07:57:32 PM
I’m just happy hawker is speaking his mind rather than like everyone else on here sucking up to one another.
flower oath, the hivemind and echo chamber of this board is hilarious.

Most of the blokes in here have bigger egos than they'd like to admit and take all of this way too serious haha.

Makes for a bloody good read for the rest of us though.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 09, 2019, 07:59:26 PM
Raisy has a habit of assuming implications. I legit wrote his stat line then said Clarko has done it again. Then Raisy comes in and says lol Clarko and cooks up i said his stats are cause of Clarko. You need a better grasp of learning to read someones implications rather than making something completely up to feed your argument. Clarko is a genius at recruiting, has been for 15 years now. You disagree with that then theres no point even arguing.

JOM pick 1
Scully pick 1
Scrimshaw pick 7

Yeah, takes a real genius to figure out they'd be good players to have on your list

I'm not assuming implications, you're simply giving praise to someone when it's not warranted

I’m just happy hawker is speaking his mind rather than like everyone else on here sucking up to one another.

Too many old timers on here that think their opinions are bulletproof because of the "Master Coach" next to their name. Nothing worse than an ego being projected on everyone else's view from behind a keyboard.

Half of the people on here have ZERO idea about football in real life. They will
Be number crunching geeks sitting behind their keyboards.
In saying all that there are probably 5-6 people on here with some idea about the fantasy side of things.

Why do you feel the need to continually say most people here are idiots, and only you and 5-6 people you rate know anything?

You're an absolute legend, and when you keep saying stuff like that all it shows is how much I really enjoy your forum input.

You had a high finish one year, we can all learn from you. In fact, we can all learn from each other. Take in opinions from a wide variety of people that we may or may not agree with.
I’m here cos I like it when people do research for me. And then get the opinions of the good blokes as we filter through the opinions we don't agree with, because it's a forum and there will always be people that don't agree with me.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 09, 2019, 08:00:17 PM
I’m just happy hawker is speaking his mind rather than like everyone else on here sucking up to one another.
flower oath, the hivemind and echo chamber of this board is hilarious.

Most of the blokes in here have bigger egos than they'd like to admit and take all of this way too serious haha.

Makes for a bloody good read for the rest of us though.

Definitely with you on that. Some refreshing realism to stir the pot also reads alright

Edit: ^^ Nah mod edit, bye comment
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: elephants on March 09, 2019, 08:18:55 PM
That ele is a clueless no hoper but.

Uh oh did I make you sad?



Mod Edit: No thanks ele, none of that please
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: tkringle on March 09, 2019, 08:25:25 PM
Getting back on Topic.. did Scrimshaw go off at half time or just has not got near it?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 09, 2019, 08:27:43 PM
Getting back on Topic.. did Scrimshaw go off at half time or just has not got near it?

Backline changed at half time. He changed who was loose and who was man on man. He showed enough to be more than an option with the limited back rookies this year.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 09, 2019, 08:35:09 PM
Getting back on Topic.. did Scrimshaw go off at half time or just has not got near it?

Backline changed at half time. He changed who was loose and who was man on man. He showed enough to be more than an option with the limited back rookies this year.

Has been on the radar but never actually in my team. Potentially too many defensive rookies available.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 09, 2019, 08:38:54 PM
I’m just happy hawker is speaking his mind rather than like everyone else on here sucking up to one another.
flower oath, the hivemind and echo chamber of this board is hilarious.

Most of the blokes in here have bigger egos than they'd like to admit and take all of this way too serious haha.

Makes for a bloody good read for the rest of us though.

Definitely with you on that. Some refreshing realism to stir the pot also reads alright

Edit: ^^ Nah mod edit, bye comment
And what views am I pressing?

Mod Edit: Retracted

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Gigantor on March 09, 2019, 08:50:15 PM
What is Hore's JS going to be like?

I'll be worried if May cops a week and Hore is named rd1.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 09, 2019, 08:51:49 PM
I’m just happy hawker is speaking his mind rather than like everyone else on here sucking up to one another.
flower oath, the hivemind and echo chamber of this board is hilarious.

Most of the blokes in here have bigger egos than they'd like to admit and take all of this way too serious haha.

Makes for a bloody good read for the rest of us though.

Definitely with you on that. Some refreshing realism to stir the pot also reads alright

Edit: ^^ Nah mod edit, bye comment

And what views am I pressing?

Mod Edit: Retracted

RD can you stop replying to me now and get back to doing things like that bye planner thread and posting all the JLT stats. The good stuff is what we are all grateful for.

Mod Edit: :)


Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 09, 2019, 08:55:40 PM
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Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Woppa15 on March 09, 2019, 09:21:25 PM
I’m just happy hawker is speaking his mind rather than like everyone else on here sucking up to one another.
flower oath, the hivemind and echo chamber of this board is hilarious.

Most of the blokes in here have bigger egos than they'd like to admit and take all of this way too serious haha.

Makes for a bloody good read for the rest of us though.

Definitely with you on that. Some refreshing realism to stir the pot also reads alright

Edit: ^^ Nah mod edit, bye comment

And what views am I pressing?

Mod Edit: Retracted

RD can you stop replying to me now and get back to doing things like that bye planner thread and posting all the JLT stats. The good stuff is what we are all grateful for.

Mod Edit: :)
Mod Edit: Losing this post was an accident my bad, had something to do with Hawks season being over when Titch got injured.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: PowerBug on March 09, 2019, 09:41:29 PM
Play nice everyone and stick to the topic, only 12 days to go until the season starts :)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: duffercoat on March 09, 2019, 09:53:35 PM
Watched Bailey Scott do really well today. Any chance he's best 22 at North? He's tempting at that price
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: JBs-Hawks on March 09, 2019, 09:55:39 PM
Way too much modding - let the boys banter ffs.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: IntegralX on March 09, 2019, 09:56:05 PM
Didn't realise FF forums would get me my daily sodium intake in 1 hit wow
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Fid on March 09, 2019, 09:57:35 PM
Watched Bailey Scott do really well today. Any chance he's best 22 at North? He's tempting at that price

Hope so, I have him M8 atm
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 09, 2019, 09:58:55 PM
Way too much modding - let the boys banter ffs.

Yeah wtf, apparently its a cotton wooled nanny site now. Genuinely modded everything. Let the lads enjoy the banter read. Spice things up.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 09, 2019, 10:00:56 PM
Watched Bailey Scott do really well today. Any chance he's best 22 at North? He's tempting at that price

Hope so, I have him M8 atm

I dropped Gibbons for him. I have Atkins/Scott over Gibbons for the time being. Just more of a ceiling with Scott if he can play Round 1 i feel.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 09, 2019, 10:06:29 PM
Way too much modding - let the boys banter ffs.

Yeah wtf, apparently its a cotton wooled nanny site now. Genuinely modded everything. Let the lads enjoy the banter read. Spice things up.

Even got a Private message saying to cut it out ... pathetic

Mod Edit: you all got the message :) No personal abuse, pretty straightforward lads. 2019 Rookies thread, stay on topic from this moment on
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: HappyDEZ on March 10, 2019, 02:25:10 PM
Stengle kicked four in the ressies against Norwood. That goes with the 4 he kicked against Port in the U/23 praccie match.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 10, 2019, 02:45:44 PM
Is it no Cavara again? Shakes things up
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 10, 2019, 02:50:24 PM
Is it no Cavara again? Shakes things up

Yep, makes the case for dropping Laird even more compelling.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 10, 2019, 02:52:18 PM
Its so strange, Bont reved him up so much before the JLT started, has been in the squad both times but no start.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: timtim on March 10, 2019, 04:50:13 PM
Is it no Cavara again? Shakes things up

Yep, makes the case for dropping Laird even more compelling.

Laird to Williams, Kelly at F4
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: juzztheball on March 10, 2019, 05:40:41 PM
Cavarra had a slight quad strain at training this week. Pretty sure he was set to play before that.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: AaronKirk on March 10, 2019, 05:42:09 PM
Forward rookies have me quite worried. It is looking very thin.

Currently my F5 to F8 are Setterfield, Drew, Balta and Parker and even then the only 1 that has decent JS is Setterfield.

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 10, 2019, 05:44:34 PM
Forward rookies have me quite worried. It is looking very thin.

Currently my F5 to F8 are Setterfield, Drew, Balta and Parker and even then the only 1 that has decent JS is Setterfield.

Forward rookies are certainly a concern, I've had to rejig my side to get an extra premo in there.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: crowls on March 10, 2019, 05:53:25 PM
Forward rookies have me quite worried. It is looking very thin.

Currently my F5 to F8 are Setterfield, Drew, Balta and Parker and even then the only 1 that has decent JS is Setterfield.

Forward rookies are certainly a concern, I've had to rejig my side to get an extra premo in there.
part of the reason laird went was so I could have greene at f4.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 10, 2019, 06:12:54 PM
Forward rookies have me quite worried. It is looking very thin.

Currently my F5 to F8 are Setterfield, Drew, Balta and Parker and even then the only 1 that has decent JS is Setterfield.

Forward rookies are certainly a concern, I've had to rejig my side to get an extra premo in there.
part of the reason laird went was so I could have greene at f4.

Have done the same, hopefully Petrucelle steps up this match.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 10, 2019, 06:40:07 PM
If you're starting Toby Greene keep an eye on Lincoln McCarthy. He is that awkward mid 200's price but he has had a couple of solid JLT games and may be the guy you have to downgrade to if Greene turns pear shaped. I think the best bet for forward rookies is Setters/Drew at F5/F6 with Parker/Balta on your bench.

Drew should be serviceable until Wines gets back, then he is going to have a change in role stepping into the guts. Parker will play, but small forwards will put up an occasional 90 followed by a bunch of 30-40 scores. Balta I have doubts on his job security or if he lines up R1.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bones Bombers on March 10, 2019, 07:54:02 PM
If you're starting Toby Greene keep an eye on Lincoln McCarthy. He is that awkward mid 200's price but he has had a couple of solid JLT games and may be the guy you have to downgrade to if Greene turns pear shaped. I think the best bet for forward rookies is Setters/Drew at F5/F6 with Parker/Balta on your bench.

Drew should be serviceable until Wines gets back, then he is going to have a change in role stepping into the guts. Parker will play, but small forwards will put up an occasional 90 followed by a bunch of 30-40 scores. Balta I have doubts on his job security or if he lines up R1.
Would Burgess be an alternative to Balta with better JS?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 10, 2019, 08:04:33 PM
If you're starting Toby Greene keep an eye on Lincoln McCarthy. He is that awkward mid 200's price but he has had a couple of solid JLT games and may be the guy you have to downgrade to if Greene turns pear shaped. I think the best bet for forward rookies is Setters/Drew at F5/F6 with Parker/Balta on your bench.

Drew should be serviceable until Wines gets back, then he is going to have a change in role stepping into the guts. Parker will play, but small forwards will put up an occasional 90 followed by a bunch of 30-40 scores. Balta I have doubts on his job security or if he lines up R1.
Would Burgess be an alternative to Balta with better JS?

Burgess had a shocker today, but the only thing keeping him in my side is that GC has a pretty soft draw to start with, and if he can kick a goal or two, clunk a few marks and score 60ish then that will do

D8 for mine
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Nige on March 10, 2019, 08:08:07 PM
If you're starting Toby Greene keep an eye on Lincoln McCarthy. He is that awkward mid 200's price but he has had a couple of solid JLT games and may be the guy you have to downgrade to if Greene turns pear shaped. I think the best bet for forward rookies is Setters/Drew at F5/F6 with Parker/Balta on your bench.

Drew should be serviceable until Wines gets back, then he is going to have a change in role stepping into the guts. Parker will play, but small forwards will put up an occasional 90 followed by a bunch of 30-40 scores. Balta I have doubts on his job security or if he lines up R1.
Would Burgess be an alternative to Balta with better JS?

Burgess had a shocker today, but the only thing keeping him in my side is that GC has a pretty soft draw to start with, and if he can kick a goal or two, clunk a few marks and score 60ish then that will do

D8 for mine
Burgess is a key position player for Gold Coast, he's gonna be prone to some ordinary scores but he's gonna have the JS. Beggars can't be choosers, so slap on him on either your def or fwd bench and hope for the best in terms of scores and cash generation.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 10, 2019, 08:10:24 PM
If you're starting Toby Greene keep an eye on Lincoln McCarthy. He is that awkward mid 200's price but he has had a couple of solid JLT games and may be the guy you have to downgrade to if Greene turns pear shaped. I think the best bet for forward rookies is Setters/Drew at F5/F6 with Parker/Balta on your bench.

Drew should be serviceable until Wines gets back, then he is going to have a change in role stepping into the guts. Parker will play, but small forwards will put up an occasional 90 followed by a bunch of 30-40 scores. Balta I have doubts on his job security or if he lines up R1.
Would Burgess be an alternative to Balta with better JS?

Burgess had a shocker today, but the only thing keeping him in my side is that GC has a pretty soft draw to start with, and if he can kick a goal or two, clunk a few marks and score 60ish then that will do

D8 for mine
Burgess is a key position player for Gold Coast, he's gonna be prone to some ordinary scores but he's gonna have the JS. Beggars can't be choosers, so slap on him on either your def or fwd bench and hope for the best in terms of scores and cash generation.

You reckon he has good job security? I'm not entirely convinced.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 10, 2019, 08:14:19 PM
If you're starting Toby Greene keep an eye on Lincoln McCarthy. He is that awkward mid 200's price but he has had a couple of solid JLT games and may be the guy you have to downgrade to if Greene turns pear shaped. I think the best bet for forward rookies is Setters/Drew at F5/F6 with Parker/Balta on your bench.

Drew should be serviceable until Wines gets back, then he is going to have a change in role stepping into the guts. Parker will play, but small forwards will put up an occasional 90 followed by a bunch of 30-40 scores. Balta I have doubts on his job security or if he lines up R1.
Would Burgess be an alternative to Balta with better JS?

Burgess had a shocker today, but the only thing keeping him in my side is that GC has a pretty soft draw to start with, and if he can kick a goal or two, clunk a few marks and score 60ish then that will do

D8 for mine
Burgess is a key position player for Gold Coast, he's gonna be prone to some ordinary scores but he's gonna have the JS. Beggars can't be choosers, so slap on him on either your def or fwd bench and hope for the best in terms of scores and cash generation.

You reckon he has good job security? I'm not entirely convinced.

That's the issue

I'm sure he lines up Round 1 in the forward line, but as soon as Corbett is fit - that's when it's anyone's guess and he could be dropped

If he does get dropped though, his DPP will be very handy to allow us trading a def for fwd or fwd for def, so that might be enough to roll the dice and start him D8/F8
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 10, 2019, 08:16:26 PM
The Ferrari is a lock. Decent forward rookie.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Nige on March 10, 2019, 08:18:11 PM
If you're starting Toby Greene keep an eye on Lincoln McCarthy. He is that awkward mid 200's price but he has had a couple of solid JLT games and may be the guy you have to downgrade to if Greene turns pear shaped. I think the best bet for forward rookies is Setters/Drew at F5/F6 with Parker/Balta on your bench.

Drew should be serviceable until Wines gets back, then he is going to have a change in role stepping into the guts. Parker will play, but small forwards will put up an occasional 90 followed by a bunch of 30-40 scores. Balta I have doubts on his job security or if he lines up R1.
Would Burgess be an alternative to Balta with better JS?

Burgess had a shocker today, but the only thing keeping him in my side is that GC has a pretty soft draw to start with, and if he can kick a goal or two, clunk a few marks and score 60ish then that will do

D8 for mine
Burgess is a key position player for Gold Coast, he's gonna be prone to some ordinary scores but he's gonna have the JS. Beggars can't be choosers, so slap on him on either your def or fwd bench and hope for the best in terms of scores and cash generation.

You reckon he has good job security? I'm not entirely convinced.

That's the issue

I'm sure he lines up Round 1 in the forward line, but as soon as Corbett is fit - that's when it's anyone's guess and he could be dropped

If he does get dropped though, his DPP will be very handy to allow us trading a def for fwd or fwd for def, so that might be enough to roll the dice and start him D8/F8
He can play as a defender too, but they chosen to play him forward because of no Corbett. Corbett comes in, Burgess goes back.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 10, 2019, 08:20:34 PM
The Ferrari is a lock. Decent forward rookie.

Are you running 5 rookies or dropping one of Parker/Balta?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 10, 2019, 08:26:23 PM
He can play as a defender too, but they chosen to play him forward because of no Corbett. Corbett comes in, Burgess goes back.

Yeah I know he plays both ends, but can we just assume he holds his spot and just goes down back?

Fact of the matter is, we're probably going to have to pick a couple of dodgy rookies, so he can sit at D8 for me

What are people doing with their mid rookies?

I'm going with a bench of one of Scott/Bewley for M9, Atkins M10 and Gibbons M11

Constable M8

Walsh, Butters/Hately are probaby the only other mid rookies I might consider

Just not sure any of the others are worth picking. Hind has been real poor so he's out. Hayes nothing great either

Anyone else?

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 10, 2019, 08:28:11 PM
The Ferrari is a lock. Decent forward rookie.

Are you running 5 rookies or dropping one of Parker/Balta?

Not asking me, but I'm going to YOLO and run all Setters, Drew, Balta, Petrucelle, Parker

I'm sure I'm going to cop a shower score here and there, but I just hate the impact it makes on my overall side when I move Greene from F3 to F4, so I am going to try and keep him at F3 and run all 5 rooks
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 10, 2019, 08:29:17 PM
The Ferrari is a lock. Decent forward rookie.

Are you running 5 rookies or dropping one of Parker/Balta?

Still up in the air mate. Round 1 we will definitely have 5/6 rookies to pick from but it’s round 3/4 we need to worry about with so many returning players.

Whilst I just made statement Ferrari is a lock I did forget bout Cripps return as well.

At this stage I can see myself going an extra forward prem.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 10, 2019, 08:31:08 PM
The Ferrari is a lock. Decent forward rookie.

Are you running 5 rookies or dropping one of Parker/Balta?

Not asking me, but I'm going to YOLO and run all Setters, Drew, Balta, Petrucelle, Parker

I'm sure I'm going to cop a shower score here and there, but I just hate the impact it makes on my overall side when I move Greene from F3 to F4, so I am going to try and keep him at F3 and run all 5 rooks



If ya wanna win this i think is the play. But could definitely come back to bite ya. The more I look into drew and balta the greater concerns I have for round3/4
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 10, 2019, 08:32:19 PM
DEF: Collins, Scrimshaw, Clarke, Duursma, Burgess, Hore
MID: Walsh, Butters, Hately/Caldwell, Constable, Scott, Bewley, Atkins, Gibbons
FWD: Setters, Drew, Balta, Petrucelle, Parker

I think that's it for me - they're the only rookies I am considering now. I reckon the rest have shown they won't be good enough
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 10, 2019, 08:34:40 PM
The Ferrari is a lock. Decent forward rookie.

Are you running 5 rookies or dropping one of Parker/Balta?

Not asking me, but I'm going to YOLO and run all Setters, Drew, Balta, Petrucelle, Parker

I'm sure I'm going to cop a shower score here and there, but I just hate the impact it makes on my overall side when I move Greene from F3 to F4, so I am going to try and keep him at F3 and run all 5 rooks



If ya wanna win this i think is the play. But could definitely come back to bite ya. The more I look into drew and balta the greater concerns I have for round3/4

Good point actually - Rounds 3/4 could certainly be dodgy for us with those guys

There just isn't enough good rookies on all lines to allow us to go deep on all lines. I think we're going to be exposed somewhere. I might try and push Greene to F4, you raise a good point. All 5 could end up with a bench of donuts 3-4 weeks in
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 10, 2019, 08:36:11 PM
Would Burgess be an alternative to Balta with better JS?

I'd probably be looking at him for D8 if I do. Personally a KPF in the GC team sounds like a recipe for disaster.

DEF: Collins, Scrimshaw, Clarke, Duursma, Burgess, Hore
MID: Walsh, Butters, Hately/Caldwell, Constable, Scott, Bewley, Atkins, Gibbons
FWD: Setters, Drew, Balta, Petrucelle, Parker

I think that's it for me - they're the only rookies I am considering now. I reckon the rest have shown they won't be good enough

Cousins is slightly more expensive than Walsh (12k to be exact) and I am counting Ridley as an expensive defensive rookie.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 10, 2019, 08:37:00 PM
DEF: Collins, Scrimshaw, Clarke, Duursma, Burgess, Hore
MID: Walsh, Butters, Hately/Caldwell, Constable, Scott, Bewley, Atkins, Gibbons
FWD: Setters, Drew, Balta, Petrucelle, Parker

I think that's it for me - they're the only rookies I am considering now. I reckon the rest have shown they won't be good enough

No Brander?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: batt on March 10, 2019, 08:38:08 PM
Would Burgess be an alternative to Balta with better JS?

I'd probably be looking at him for D8 if I do. Personally a KPF in the GC team sounds like a recipe for disaster.

DEF: Collins, Scrimshaw, Clarke, Duursma, Burgess, Hore
MID: Walsh, Butters, Hately/Caldwell, Constable, Scott, Bewley, Atkins, Gibbons
FWD: Setters, Drew, Balta, Petrucelle, Parker

I think that's it for me - they're the only rookies I am considering now. I reckon the rest have shown they won't be good enough

Cousins is slightly more expensive than Walsh (12k to be exact) and I am counting Ridley as an expensive defensive rookie.
May as well include LDU while we're at it.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 10, 2019, 08:38:58 PM
DEF: Collins, Scrimshaw, Clarke, Duursma, Burgess, Hore
MID: Walsh, Butters, Hately/Caldwell, Constable, Scott, Bewley, Atkins, Gibbons
FWD: Setters, Drew, Balta, Petrucelle, Parker

I think that's it for me - they're the only rookies I am considering now. I reckon the rest have shown they won't be good enough

No Brander?

I think Petrucelle is probably ahead. Allen too, but he's 230k+ so not an option

JJK should be right too, so I don't think Brander starts, and if he does he'd have to have shaky JS

May as well include LDU while we're at it.

Some might look to start him, but he's a big no for me
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 10, 2019, 08:58:41 PM
Rookies as a whole are very underwhelming this year. Basically every line everyone will be forced to pick the same ones. There is very little to chose from.

Midfield if you want 6 rookies you basically have to go Walsh, Butters, Constable, Scott, Atkins and Gibbons... Bewley and Hind arent anything they lived up to be and idk if they even will play. So those 6 will be in all teams unless you opt for 5 then you'll probably just drop Butters or Gibbbons depending if you need cash or not.

Up fwd its Setter, Balta, Drew and Parker if you want 4, want to make that 5 its gotta be Petrrucelle.

Down back probably has the most chances for differences but thats because they all seem to either suck at scoring or have terrible JS. Even then its proabbly only one difference most will have.

I get theres always a few surprises that pop up in R1 teams but this is shocking atm. All will be rocking the same ones at this rate. 
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Colley Dogs on March 10, 2019, 08:59:44 PM
He can play as a defender too, but they chosen to play him forward because of no Corbett. Corbett comes in, Burgess goes back.

Yeah I know he plays both ends, but can we just assume he holds his spot and just goes down back?

Fact of the matter is, we're probably going to have to pick a couple of dodgy rookies, so he can sit at D8 for me

What are people doing with their mid rookies?

I'm going with a bench of one of Scott/Bewley for M9, Atkins M10 and Gibbons M11

Constable M8

Walsh, Butters/Hately are probaby the only other mid rookies I might consider

Just not sure any of the others are worth picking. Hind has been real poor so he's out. Hayes nothing great either

Anyone else?

Currently sitting with:

Walsh; Butters; Atkins (Hately; Constable; Scott)

I can downgrade Hately - Gibbons to free up some cash if required, but would prefer to have Walsh + a choice of the above 5 for my two remaining on-field spots.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Colley Dogs on March 10, 2019, 09:08:06 PM
Rookies as a whole are very underwhelming this year. Basically every line everyone will be forced to pick the same ones. There is very little to chose from.

Midfield if you want 6 rookies you basically have to go Walsh, Butters, Constable, Scott, Atkins and Gibbons... Bewley and Hind arent anything they lived up to be and idk if they even will play. So those 6 will be in all teams unless you opt for 5 then you'll probably just drop Butters or Gibbbons depending if you need cash or not.

Up fwd its Setter, Balta, Drew and Parker if you want 4, want to make that 5 its gotta be Petrrucelle.

Down back probably has the most chances for differences but thats because they all seem to either suck at scoring or have terrible JS. Even then its proabbly only one difference most will have.

I get theres always a few surprises that pop up in R1 teams but this is shocking atm. All will be rocking the same ones at this rate.

Running with 5 of your 6 mids: personally I've found the money to go Hately over Gibbons. I'm a Blues fan and and I see Gibbons being another Garlett. Hately just a little more ceiling.

Up in the Forwards I'm running with Setters, Drew, Parker, Burgess.

Down back it's only the three: Scrimshaw; Clark; Duursma (I have Roberton at D5)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 10, 2019, 09:15:50 PM
Rookies as a whole are very underwhelming this year. Basically every line everyone will be forced to pick the same ones. There is very little to chose from.

Midfield if you want 6 rookies you basically have to go Walsh, Butters, Constable, Scott, Atkins and Gibbons... Bewley and Hind arent anything they lived up to be and idk if they even will play. So those 6 will be in all teams unless you opt for 5 then you'll probably just drop Butters or Gibbbons depending if you need cash or not.

Up fwd its Setter, Balta, Drew and Parker if you want 4, want to make that 5 its gotta be Petrrucelle.

Down back probably has the most chances for differences but thats because they all seem to either suck at scoring or have terrible JS. Even then its proabbly only one difference most will have.

I get theres always a few surprises that pop up in R1 teams but this is shocking atm. All will be rocking the same ones at this rate.

I agree and disagree with parts of this post.

Midfield the clear picks are Walsh butters and gibbons due to their job security. Constable and Atkins could very much be fighting for same spot and ifnone is picked fouldeasilt be dropped for the other after a bad game. Not even convinced one will
Make it. Scott was decent the other day but have extreme doubts about him being picked and then holding spot.

Up forwArd It is setters and then I would rate petrucelle as the next pick in terms of job security. The returns of wines and lynch/caddy have me worried about the other 2 and Parker is just a pulse.

Down back I think Collins is a must purely because his spot is safe as houses. I’ll be surprised if burgess doesn’t play but he’s just a pulse. I reckon scrimmers edges Clark.

I can easily see ya having to do deeper across more lines than first anticipated. Right now I have 5 power mids and crouch but I must admit I’m strongly looking at Taranto formpne of those boys currently.

(Someone rose just posted)

I really don’t see why people are going for hateley. I have no idea how he scored but if ya watched his games there have been enough passages of play for me to think he is a player not up with the speed of the afl right now. Saying that, will be handy if he gets picked
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 10, 2019, 09:20:12 PM
Do you think we could run with 5 rookies down back, with Collins anchoring D4?

X, X, X, Collins, Scrimshaw, Clarke (Duursma, Hore) and that still leaves Burgess up our sleeve just in case one of those 5 don't make it?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 10, 2019, 09:23:32 PM
I agree and disagree with parts of this post.

Midfield the clear picks are Walsh butters and gibbons due to their job security. Constable and Atkins could very much be fighting for same spot and ifnone is picked fouldeasilt be dropped for the other after a bad game. Not even convinced one will
Make it. Scott was decent the other day but have extreme doubts about him being picked and then holding spot.

Up forwArd It is setters and then I would rate petrucelle as the next pick in terms of job security. The returns of wines and lynch/caddy have me worried about the other 2 and Parker is just a pulse.

Down back I think Collins is a must purely because his spot is safe as houses. I’ll be surprised if burgess doesn’t play but he’s just a pulse. I reckon scrimmers edges Clark.

I can easily see ya having to do deeper across more lines than first anticipated. Right now I have 5 power mids and crouch but I must admit I’m strongly looking at Taranto formpne of those boys currently.

(Someone rose just posted)

I really don’t see why people are going for hateley. I have no idea how he scored but if ya watched his games there have been enough passages of play for me to think he is a player not up with the speed of the afl right now. Saying that, will be handy if he gets picked

Constable was playing pure mid, whilst Atkins was playing Half Forward, so I'm not sure they are fighting for the same spot - I think they can both play in the same side - hope they can

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: batt on March 10, 2019, 09:25:06 PM
Do you think we could run with 5 rookies down back, with Collins anchoring D4?

X, X, X, Collins, Scrimshaw, Clarke (Duursma, Hore) and that still leaves Burgess up our sleeve just in case one of those 5 don't make it?
Heck, I've had Scrimshaw at D4 for a while now.

Think I'm a good chance of staying with 3 on field come round 1.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 10, 2019, 09:30:30 PM
I agree and disagree with parts of this post.

Midfield the clear picks are Walsh butters and gibbons due to their job security. Constable and Atkins could very much be fighting for same spot and ifnone is picked fouldeasilt be dropped for the other after a bad game. Not even convinced one will
Make it. Scott was decent the other day but have extreme doubts about him being picked and then holding spot.

Up forwArd It is setters and then I would rate petrucelle as the next pick in terms of job security. The returns of wines and lynch/caddy have me worried about the other 2 and Parker is just a pulse.

Down back I think Collins is a must purely because his spot is safe as houses. I’ll be surprised if burgess doesn’t play but he’s just a pulse. I reckon scrimmers edges Clark.

I can easily see ya having to do deeper across more lines than first anticipated. Right now I have 5 power mids and crouch but I must admit I’m strongly looking at Taranto formpne of those boys currently.

(Someone rose just posted)

I really don’t see why people are going for hateley. I have no idea how he scored but if ya watched his games there have been enough passages of play for me to think he is a player not up with the speed of the afl right now. Saying that, will be handy if he gets picked

Constable was playing pure mid, whilst Atkins was playing Half Forward, so I'm not sure they are fighting for the same spot - I think they can both play in the same side - hope they can

I understand that. But I think when the cats play all their midfield guns in their normal positions he won’t be as pure mid as what we would like. I think if we do a Geelong best 22 team it will tell a tale.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 10, 2019, 09:32:57 PM
Do you think we could run with 5 rookies down back, with Collins anchoring D4?

X, X, X, Collins, Scrimshaw, Clarke (Duursma, Hore) and that still leaves Burgess up our sleeve just in case one of those 5 don't make it?

I still have my doubts regards the selection in the round 1 team of both Clark Duursma and hore. If they get named it solves a lot of problems. Then we can shove burgess forward for a swing as well
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 10, 2019, 09:36:07 PM
Do you think we could run with 5 rookies down back, with Collins anchoring D4?

X, X, X, Collins, Scrimshaw, Clarke (Duursma, Hore) and that still leaves Burgess up our sleeve just in case one of those 5 don't make it?

I still have my doubts regards the selection in the round 1 team of both Clark Duursma and hore. If they get named it solves a lot of problems. Then we can shove burgess forward for a swing as well

That's why I have had just 4 def rookies (2 on field 2 on bench) because it gives me some fallback options just in case 1 or 2 don't actually get named

Might stick with that for now
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 10, 2019, 09:42:36 PM
Do you think we could run with 5 rookies down back, with Collins anchoring D4?

X, X, X, Collins, Scrimshaw, Clarke (Duursma, Hore) and that still leaves Burgess up our sleeve just in case one of those 5 don't make it?

I still have my doubts regards the selection in the round 1 team of both Clark Duursma and hore. If they get named it solves a lot of problems. Then we can shove burgess forward for a swing as well

That's why I have had just 4 def rookies (2 on field 2 on bench) because it gives me some fallback options just in case 1 or 2 don't actually get named

Might stick with that for now

I feel like we need to drop a mid prem and field a rookie so we can bolster other lines but we just don’t have that mid rookie.

Can’t possibly see how anyone can be rolling with defensive premiums this year.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: _wato on March 10, 2019, 09:44:30 PM
Collins, Scrimshaw, Clark (Duursma, Hore) - Burgess if one goes down but jeesh no chance I'm picking any GC rookie if I don't have to.

Walsh, Constable (Butters, Scott, Gibbons) - Atkins a real possibility but 46DT for 80sc ain't gonna happen regularly. Bewley and Giants boys don't think good enough.

Setterfield, Drew (Balta, Parker) Don't like any other forward rookie. Petrol Jelly looked good but JS is an issue as already stated.

IMO that's the best of the rooks.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 10, 2019, 09:53:27 PM
Collins, Scrimshaw, Clark (Duursma, Hore) - Burgess if one goes down but jeesh no chance I'm picking any GC rookie if I don't have to.

Walsh, Constable (Butters, Scott, Gibbons) - Atkins a real possibility but 46DT for 80sc ain't gonna happen regularly. Bewley and Giants boys don't think good enough.

Setterfield, Drew (Balta, Parker) Don't like any other forward rookie. Petrol Jelly looked good but JS is an issue as already stated.

IMO that's the best of the rooks.

Petruccelle has been great all summer, and with LeCras retired, plus Cripps injured - he actually has pretty good JS for a rookie I would think.

That said, I really don't love the look of 3 forward rookies on field

Looks like we might need to grab some mid pricers just to make the cash stretch across all lines  :-[
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 10, 2019, 09:59:59 PM
Collins, Scrimshaw, Clark (Duursma, Hore) - Burgess if one goes down but jeesh no chance I'm picking any GC rookie if I don't have to.

Walsh, Constable (Butters, Scott, Gibbons) - Atkins a real possibility but 46DT for 80sc ain't gonna happen regularly. Bewley and Giants boys don't think good enough.

Setterfield, Drew (Balta, Parker) Don't like any other forward rookie. Petrol Jelly looked good but JS is an issue as already stated.

IMO that's the best of the rooks.

Petruccelle has been great all summer, and with LeCras retired, plus Cripps injured - he actually has pretty good JS for a rookie I would think.

That said, I really don't love the look of 3 forward rookies on field

Looks like we might need to grab some mid pricers just to make the cash stretch across all lines  :-[

Agree with all this. Cripps coming back the latest round 3/4 scare you. I actually think he may have jumped venables.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 10, 2019, 10:02:16 PM
Collins, Scrimshaw, Clark (Duursma, Hore) - Burgess if one goes down but jeesh no chance I'm picking any GC rookie if I don't have to.

Walsh, Constable (Butters, Scott, Gibbons) - Atkins a real possibility but 46DT for 80sc ain't gonna happen regularly. Bewley and Giants boys don't think good enough.

Setterfield, Drew (Balta, Parker) Don't like any other forward rookie. Petrol Jelly looked good but JS is an issue as already stated.

IMO that's the best of the rooks.

Petruccelle has been great all summer, and with LeCras retired, plus Cripps injured - he actually has pretty good JS for a rookie I would think.

That said, I really don't love the look of 3 forward rookies on field

Looks like we might need to grab some mid pricers just to make the cash stretch across all lines  :-[

Petrucelle had 11 contested possessions today, that gives me huge confidence to go with 5 rookies in the forward line. Parker also took a screamer in the pocket so I think the Saints persist. Bugger it, I'm rolling the dice. Have read all the gossip on Roberton & it may not be as bad as reported, will wait on a full diagnosis, but if OK then I'm going deep in the mids & light in the forward line.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 10, 2019, 10:07:21 PM
Collins, Scrimshaw, Clark (Duursma, Hore) - Burgess if one goes down but jeesh no chance I'm picking any GC rookie if I don't have to.

Walsh, Constable (Butters, Scott, Gibbons) - Atkins a real possibility but 46DT for 80sc ain't gonna happen regularly. Bewley and Giants boys don't think good enough.

Setterfield, Drew (Balta, Parker) Don't like any other forward rookie. Petrol Jelly looked good but JS is an issue as already stated.

IMO that's the best of the rooks.

Petruccelle has been great all summer, and with LeCras retired, plus Cripps injured - he actually has pretty good JS for a rookie I would think.

That said, I really don't love the look of 3 forward rookies on field

Looks like we might need to grab some mid pricers just to make the cash stretch across all lines  :-[

Petrucelle had 11 contested possessions today, that gives me huge confidence to go with 5 rookies in the forward line. Parker also took a screamer in the pocket so I think the Saints persist. Bugger it, I'm rolling the dice. Have read all the gossip on Roberton & it may not be as bad as reported, will wait on a full diagnosis, but if OK then I'm going deep in the mids & light in the forward line.

And Parker appears to have very good JS, and that's super important. He might put up 50 most weeks, but if he can put up the odd 70+ he will make cash whilst having good JS

Drew and Balta are the worries, for reasons eaglesman mentioned earlier, but I cannot for the life of me pick a F3 with confidence so I think I will stick with Greene F3 and 5 rookies. Any way I slice it, I'm going to have a dodgy def or fwd line
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 10, 2019, 10:15:15 PM
Collins, Scrimshaw, Clark (Duursma, Hore) - Burgess if one goes down but jeesh no chance I'm picking any GC rookie if I don't have to.

Walsh, Constable (Butters, Scott, Gibbons) - Atkins a real possibility but 46DT for 80sc ain't gonna happen regularly. Bewley and Giants boys don't think good enough.

Setterfield, Drew (Balta, Parker) Don't like any other forward rookie. Petrol Jelly looked good but JS is an issue as already stated.

IMO that's the best of the rooks.

Petruccelle has been great all summer, and with LeCras retired, plus Cripps injured - he actually has pretty good JS for a rookie I would think.

That said, I really don't love the look of 3 forward rookies on field

Looks like we might need to grab some mid pricers just to make the cash stretch across all lines  :-[

Petrucelle had 11 contested possessions today, that gives me huge confidence to go with 5 rookies in the forward line. Parker also took a screamer in the pocket so I think the Saints persist. Bugger it, I'm rolling the dice. Have read all the gossip on Roberton & it may not be as bad as reported, will wait on a full diagnosis, but if OK then I'm going deep in the mids & light in the forward line.

And Parker appears to have very good JS, and that's super important. He might put up 50 most weeks, but if he can put up the odd 70+ he will make cash whilst having good JS

Drew and Balta are the worries, for reasons eaglesman mentioned earlier, but I cannot for the life of me pick a F3 with confidence so I think I will stick with Greene F3 and 5 rookies. Any way I slice it, I'm going to have a dodgy def or fwd line

It's really the same story with rookies every year, unless you're the number 1 pick then it's a week to week proposition. I actually don't think the forward line is as bad as it appears on paper, the scoring potential of Drew & Balta is excellent, it just becomes a question of stringing a few strong games together. Balta has been sharing the ruck with Soldo too, I expect him to get plenty more time in there when Soldo gets demoted. Aside from that he averaged 77 in the two JLT games which is all you can ask for.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 10, 2019, 10:18:38 PM
Drew is actually a bit of a beast and is highly rated internally. You dont get signed on for two years mid long term injury before you've even debuted for nothing either. I dont think his JS is as shaky as you all make it out to be. Plenty are chances to go before him one would imagine. I'm running the 5 fwd rookies atm and i'm more worried about Balta and Pettrucelle tbh.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: _wato on March 10, 2019, 10:38:04 PM
Hinkley said in a presser that it's likely 5 or 6 guys will be making their debut for PA Round 1.

Lycett, Burton, Rozee, Duursma, Drew, Butters the likely contenders. IMO think they all play.

Re Petroleum still not sold on him. West Coast just won the flag, competition for spots everywhere. I'd love another Venables pick averaging 47 lol
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 11, 2019, 12:22:59 AM
currently for me

Collins, Clark, Scrimshaw, Duur
Wash, Butters, Drew Cunstable, Scott, Gibbons
Fort
Setters, Petruccelle, Balta, Parker

and im happy with it
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: IntegralX on March 11, 2019, 08:52:45 AM
Thoughts on passing up Collins? Going to play more lockdown I feel, would rather go scrimshaw and use the 40k elsewhere
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Thewizz71 on March 11, 2019, 09:12:57 AM
Thoughts on passing up Collins? Going to play more lockdown I feel, would rather go scrimshaw and use the 40k elsewhere

I have atm. Just have to wait for teams now.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: jfitty on March 11, 2019, 09:33:20 AM
Thoughts on passing up Collins? Going to play more lockdown I feel, would rather go scrimshaw and use the 40k elsewhere

Yep I have for now. Rolling with Clarke, Scrimshaw and Duursma on field. That may change with team selections though!
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Locinator on March 11, 2019, 09:38:47 AM
Thoughts on passing up Collins? Going to play more lockdown I feel, would rather go scrimshaw and use the 40k elsewhere

Also passing, think he will still make in the 100-150k range but so will Scrim/Clark/Durr/Hore if they get a run
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 11, 2019, 09:39:44 AM
Petrucelle pulled an 87  :o if only he saved that for the H&A, feel like that could be his highest score but it definitely gives me a little more confidence in picking him.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 11, 2019, 09:42:31 AM
Thoughts on passing up Collins? Going to play more lockdown I feel, would rather go scrimshaw and use the 40k elsewhere

Yep I have for now. Rolling with Clarke, Scrimshaw and Duursma on field. That may change with team selections though!

I'm passing on Collins too, but i cant for the life of me understand why so many want Clark, he is going to be a huge trap. Will be lucky to play R1 and even then will get canned right after. No Touhy or Bews in that JLT and he plays exactly like a discount Henry atm.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Money Shot on March 11, 2019, 10:30:14 AM
Thoughts on passing up Collins? Going to play more lockdown I feel, would rather go scrimshaw and use the 40k elsewhere

Yep I have for now. Rolling with Clarke, Scrimshaw and Duursma on field. That may change with team selections though!

I'm passing on Collins too, but i cant for the life of me understand why so many want Clark, he is going to be a huge trap. Will be lucky to play R1 and even then will get canned right after. No Touhy or Bews in that JLT and he plays exactly like a discount Henry atm.
He looked incredibly good in JLT 1 and showed some very good signs in JLT 2 as well.

I would put him ahead of Bews and Henry but I might be biased.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2019, 10:32:24 AM
Thoughts on passing up Collins? Going to play more lockdown I feel, would rather go scrimshaw and use the 40k elsewhere

Yep I have for now. Rolling with Clarke, Scrimshaw and Duursma on field. That may change with team selections though!

I'm passing on Collins too, but i cant for the life of me understand why so many want Clark, he is going to be a huge trap. Will be lucky to play R1 and even then will get canned right after. No Touhy or Bews in that JLT and he plays exactly like a discount Henry atm.
He looked incredibly good in JLT 1 and showed some very good signs in JLT 2 as well.

I would put him ahead of Bews and Henry but I might be biased.

I'd put Relton Roberts ahead of Bews. Boggles my mind how Jed Bews is still an AFL footballer

Collins might be a bit of a slow burn, but his JS should be rock solid, so he does give me confidence of being reliable in that regard
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 11, 2019, 10:35:19 AM
He is definitely not better than Henry, Henry is a jet. Bews adds a real solid defensive ability that the cats clearly love. Played all last year over more attacking options. Even if Bews doesnt come back Tuohy still does, and no one is leaving before Clark surely?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Nige on March 11, 2019, 10:52:01 AM
I'm passing on Collins too, but i cant for the life of me understand why so many want Clark, he is going to be a huge trap. Will be lucky to play R1 and even then will get canned right after. No Touhy or Bews in that JLT and he plays exactly like a discount Henry atm.
I'd keep Collins, because even if he's playing a more accountable role, he's still a good defender and will continue to take intercept marks and distribute it after that. Plus his JS is the best of all the def rookies on offer.

He is definitely not better than Henry, Henry is a jet. Bews adds a real solid defensive ability that the cats clearly love. Played all last year over more attacking options. Even if Bews doesnt come back Tuohy still does, and no one is leaving before Clark surely?
Exactly right. I mean, like any other rookie, if he plays well then of course he'll keep his spot and they'll find someone else to drop, but he's still the most likely person to make way for Tuohy.

I wouldn't wanna pay up for him to be dropped after 2 games when Tuohy returns and keep praying every week that he's listed as an in for the next price rise.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 11, 2019, 11:17:25 AM
Just had a quick look at the FS best 22 for the Cats. They have the following

B: J. Kolodjashnij, L. Henderson, T. Stewart

HB: J. Bews, M. Blicavs, Z. Tuohy

C: G. Ablett, J. Selwood, M. Duncan

HF: S. Menegola, E. Ratugolea, B. Parfitt

F: L. Dahlhaus, T. Hawkins, J. Henry

FOL: R. Stanley, P. Dangerfield, T. Kelly

I/C: Q. Narkle, S. Selwood, N. Cockatoo, G. Rohan

So looking at their line up they have Henry up forward, no Harry Taylor, Bews and Tuohy as the HB's. They can't play all of Henry, Taylor, Blicavs, Jake Kolo, Hendo and Tom Stewart down back, that's way too tall.

One of the taller guys could play up forward and one will have to miss. O'Connor and Clark would have been the two smaller HB's that are replacing Tuohy and Bews in the line up. Bews is one of the worst footballers I have ever seen play so the spot is up for grabs between Clark and O'Conner.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: _wato on March 11, 2019, 11:28:07 AM
Yep ^ especially playing Pies Round 1.

Think the pies will line up

Varcoe, JDG, Stephenson
JT, Cox, Elliott

Assuming WHE and Wells aren't available and probably Mihocek gets a gig off the bench.
Absolute headaches if the Cats go tall. Clark will play Rd 1, upto him to keep his spot. I also agree it'll come down to him and O'Connor for a spot moving forward. 
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 11, 2019, 11:40:47 AM
Thoughts on passing up Collins? Going to play more lockdown I feel, would rather go scrimshaw and use the 40k elsewhere

Yep I have for now. Rolling with Clarke, Scrimshaw and Duursma on field. That may change with team selections though!

I'm passing on Collins too, but i cant for the life of me understand why so many want Clark, he is going to be a huge trap. Will be lucky to play R1 and even then will get canned right after. No Touhy or Bews in that JLT and he plays exactly like a discount Henry atm.

Clark has more credits than people care to acknowledge, first thing is his elite kicking, best kick in the draft by country mile. When I stack him against Ed Richards I'd say he's a better prospect because his contested work is more evolved. Aside from that I doubt the big stage will phase him, took a hat trick playing for Australia u/19 against Pakistan, fully pro sportsman. And agree with Raisy, Bews is VFL quality, has no dash & no daring.

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Nige on March 11, 2019, 11:44:30 AM
Hinkley confirmed that Drew, Butters, Rozee and Duursma and debuting Round 1.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 11, 2019, 11:50:24 AM
Hinkley confirmed that Drew, Butters, Rozee and Duursma and debuting Round 1.

Excellent.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 11, 2019, 11:51:34 AM
Hinkley confirmed that Drew, Butters, Rozee and Duursma and debuting Round 1.

Excellent.

Idk if i want ZButters yet or not. So expensive running him and Walsh
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 11, 2019, 11:53:38 AM
Hinkley confirmed that Drew, Butters, Rozee and Duursma and debuting Round 1.

Excellent.

Idk if i want ZButters yet or not. So expensive running him and Walsh

Too expensive for me, don't have either, but bear in mind that Butters is very outside & very light so could have some off days. I'm not picking him myself.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: _wato on March 11, 2019, 12:00:06 PM
Butters is absolute class. Gonna be a better SC scorer than DT player, gotta put that into perspective. Two different performances in both JLT's, one game with 25 possies the other with 14 and 3 goals. Both times 80+, shows he can do enough to always impact games.

Think he is good for 70. Happy to field him M8/9 v Constable plus Walsh.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 11, 2019, 12:04:49 PM
Butters is absolute class. Gonna be a better SC scorer than DT player, gotta put that into perspective.

Think he is good for 70. Happy to field him M8/9 v Constable plus Walsh.

He is class but he needs to be compared to the second & third year players on offer. JLT probably not the most accountable football, things will certainly tighten up. Don't think he's a bad pick but when Scott, Constable, Atkins & Gibbons are so cheap it's tough to make a case.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Gavdroid on March 11, 2019, 12:14:31 PM
Butters is absolute class. Gonna be a better SC scorer than DT player, gotta put that into perspective.

Think he is good for 70. Happy to field him M8/9 v Constable plus Walsh.

He is class but he needs to be compared to the second & third year players on offer. JLT probably not the most accountable football, things will certainly tighten up. Don't think he's a bad pick but when Scott, Constable, Atkins & Gibbons are so cheap it's tough to make a case.

Is Constable a certainty? Think he had a pretty good preseason last year as well, but didn't make the cut in regular season. Where does he fit in to the cats line up? And low TOG, does he have tank issues?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: jfitty on March 11, 2019, 12:15:23 PM
Hinkley confirmed that Drew, Butters, Rozee and Duursma and debuting Round 1.

I've got Duursma and Drew locked in for now, but trying to find room for one of the others.

How are we feeling about Rozee? Trying to avoid rookies around the 200k mark other than Walsh.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 11, 2019, 12:20:50 PM
Butters is absolute class. Gonna be a better SC scorer than DT player, gotta put that into perspective.

Think he is good for 70. Happy to field him M8/9 v Constable plus Walsh.

He is class but he needs to be compared to the second & third year players on offer. JLT probably not the most accountable football, things will certainly tighten up. Don't think he's a bad pick but when Scott, Constable, Atkins & Gibbons are so cheap it's tough to make a case.

Is Constable a certainty? Think he had a pretty good preseason last year as well, but didn't make the cut in regular season. Where does he fit in to the cats line up? And low TOG, does he have tank issues?

He does have a tank issue but that certainly appears to have improved, think he'll be given a run with Gaz playing more forward.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2019, 12:49:16 PM
With the confirmation of those 4 starting, I do feel better now going lighter up front with Greene F3, Setters F4 and Drew F5

Balta, Petrucelle, Parker filling out the line feels much more comfortable now knowing that I only need to field 1 of those 3 each week

Same goes down back with Duursma - I might pass on Collins just because I can now upgrade him to a prem, and leave Scrim and Duursma at D5/6 then have Clark/Burgess on bench
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Money Shot on March 11, 2019, 01:05:32 PM
With the confirmation of those 4 starting, I do feel better now going lighter up front with Greene F3, Setters F4 and Drew F5

Balta, Petrucelle, Parker filling out the line feels much more comfortable now knowing that I only need to field 1 of those 3 each week

Same goes down back with Duursma - I might pass on Collins just because I can now upgrade him to a prem, and leave Scrim and Duursma at D5/6 then have Clark/Burgess on bench
Agreed! Drew at F5 looks pretty solid could average 70+ over the first few rounds and make good coin. Balta, Petrrucelle and Parker from F6-F8
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 11, 2019, 01:22:19 PM
I really need Walsh to bang out another easy 90 today. Cause atm im finding everyway to get rid of him.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Southstorm on March 11, 2019, 04:43:31 PM
I hate $200k rookies but Sam Walsh is something else
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: dmac07 on March 11, 2019, 04:57:17 PM
I really need Walsh to bang out another easy 90 today. Cause atm im finding everyway to get rid of him.

Banged out another 90
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 11, 2019, 05:23:57 PM
I hate $200k rookies but Sam Walsh is something else

He's making it tough to leave him out but at the end of the day the stats suggest he'll average 75 in the season proper.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: frenzy on March 11, 2019, 06:04:10 PM
Hinkley confirmed that Drew, Butters, Rozee and Duursma and debuting Round 1.

Excellent.

https://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/jlt-community-series/2019/2/port-v-nmfc#
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 11, 2019, 06:14:53 PM
Whoever made the comment regards Clark l
Playing I agree very risky .. but then they say they not start Collins .... begs the question who the hell you have in defense.

Collins is my second picked player behind williams in defense and I don’t know how he is not in 100% of teams. Scores may be poor but will 100% play and won’t be dropped. Can’t say the same for any other rookie in defense
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 11, 2019, 06:23:07 PM
Collins is probably a D5-D7 type guy. Pending matchups you would decide if you field or bench him. It also depends how deep in defense you're batting.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2019, 06:42:24 PM
Collins is probably a D5-D7 type guy. Pending matchups you would decide if you field or bench him. It also depends how deep in defense you're batting.

Certainly not benching a 188k player. Has showed he can score well too

That said, he'll be a bit of a slow burn but that's a small price to pay for his JS and ability. Just means he might be one of the last rookies to upgrade

I'm tempted to start him D4

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2019, 06:44:52 PM
Just following on from that, I'm thinking

D4 Collins
D5 Scrimshaw
D6 Duursma

Clarke and Burgess on bench, but then I do this having Moore in my forward line so if need be I can swing him back via Burgess too. Gives me to confidence to go light down back having the extra DPP cover of Moore
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 11, 2019, 06:47:48 PM
Certainly not benching a 188k player. Has showed he can score well too

That said, he'll be a bit of a slow burn but that's a small price to pay for his JS and ability. Just means he might be one of the last rookies to upgrade

I'm tempted to start him D4

If they're playing Geelong I am sure as hell benching him in favour of Clark. Collins will get Hawkins and Clark is likely to score more in that match-up. This isn't Danger we're talking about, you have to field the right guys in the right situations.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 11, 2019, 07:04:36 PM
I've dropped Roberton to Moore in the back line now. Currently rocking the 5 forward rookies in Setters, drew, Balta, Parker and Pet. Would you consider dropping one of them to Burgess just for the swing with Moore? If so who would you drop?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on March 11, 2019, 07:06:20 PM
I've dropped Roberton to Moore in the back line now. Currently rocking the 5 forward rookies in Setters, drew, Balta, Parker and Pet. Would you consider dropping one of them to Burgess just for the swing with Moore? If so who would you drop?
This is what I'm currently considering. I would drop one of Parker/Fettuccine personally, but not sure on which yet. See what happens over the next week or so in regards to JS I guess.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2019, 07:13:36 PM
I've dropped Roberton to Moore in the back line now. Currently rocking the 5 forward rookies in Setters, drew, Balta, Parker and Pet. Would you consider dropping one of them to Burgess just for the swing with Moore? If so who would you drop?

I've got Moore F4 with Burgess D8

Same shower overall, but I've dumped Parker as I rate the def rookies over him
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 11, 2019, 07:19:52 PM
I reckon Parker has way better JS than Balta. Balta has Lynch and Caddy coming back soon....
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2019, 07:23:56 PM
I reckon Parker has way better JS than Balta. Balta has Lynch and Caddy coming back soon....

Then drop him instead. The point is, play Moore forward and dump a fwd rookie, not def rookie, like you asked about
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: frenzy on March 11, 2019, 07:45:20 PM
I reckon Parker has way better JS than Balta. Balta has Lynch and Caddy coming back soon....

Then drop him instead. The point is, play Moore forward and dump a fwd rookie, not def rookie, like you asked about

 ::)

I wouldn't do anything, just keep the option for when teams come out and one of them's not named.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: duffercoat on March 11, 2019, 08:35:02 PM
Hinkley confirmed that Drew, Butters, Rozee and Duursma and debuting Round 1.

Where was this? All I've seen was him saying that 5 or 6 of the new guys to the club will line up in round 1. That will be Lycett, Burton and two/three of Rozee, Butters and Duursma (admittedly could be Mayes instead but lets assume not).

Is there a link to him saying they'd all play round 1?, cause that would be a pretty big deal this far out from the game.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2019, 08:40:07 PM
Hinkley confirmed that Drew, Butters, Rozee and Duursma and debuting Round 1.

Where was this? All I've seen was him saying that 5 or 6 of the new guys to the club will line up in round 1. That will be Lycett, Burton and two/three of Rozee, Butters and Duursma (admittedly could be Mayes instead but lets assume not).

Is there a link to him saying they'd all play round 1?, cause that would be a pretty big deal this far out from the game.

Nige has probably made a safe assumption, albeit not "official", except Butters

Hinkley is putting a “lock” on Butters for the season opener.

“I’d pick him,” Hinkley said. “We could have five, maybe six, first-time Port Adelaide players for Round 1 at the ‘G … and that will be exciting.”
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoldDigger on March 11, 2019, 08:43:58 PM
https://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/video/2019-03-09/hinkley-post-game-presser-jlt-2-ptv (https://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/video/2019-03-09/hinkley-post-game-presser-jlt-2-ptv)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: duffercoat on March 11, 2019, 10:09:46 PM
https://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/video/2019-03-09/hinkley-post-game-presser-jlt-2-ptv (https://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/video/2019-03-09/hinkley-post-game-presser-jlt-2-ptv)

I'd be very careful making assumptions off this like Nige did. Hinkley didn't name Drew like he did Duursma, Rozee and Butters and he said we might have 5 or 6 newbies in round 1. That says one of the youngsters may well miss out yet as Lycett and Burton are a given.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Nige on March 11, 2019, 10:19:02 PM
For what it's worth, I saw it mentioned somewhere on Facebook, obviously not the best source though.

However, I later found an article that said:

Quote
Hinkley could give three recent draftees their AFL starts — first-round calls Zak Butters, Connor Rozee and Xavier Duursma — at the MCG in the same way he did with current co-captain Ollie Wines and the now departed Jake Neade and Kane Mitchell in Round 1, 2013.

The Power has 2016 second-round draftee Willem Drew also primed for his AFL start after strong pre-season performances.

The Power also will give West Coast premiership ruckman Scott Lycett and Hawthorn recruit Ryan Burton their starts in Port Adelaide colours on Saturday week.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2019, 10:32:51 PM
^ That just sounds like whoever wrote that's opinion

Hinkley hasn't confirmed anyone, except for Butters based off what he said
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 12, 2019, 07:25:24 AM
So what rookies are we thinking should be good to go Round 1 now? The time for place holders to actually be starters is near, so how many guys per line do we have?

DEF: Collins, Scrimshaw, Clark, Duursma, Burgess, McKay

I think they're the 6 likely to play Round 1. Don't rate McKay at all for SC so he's not even an option for me. Burgess not great but DPP is handy so happy for him to be my D8 and I've spoken to a few Dee's supporters and they all think Hore isn't starting R1.

That leaves 5, and even Scrimshaw/Clark I'm not 100% start, just hopeful more than anything

MID: Walsh, Cousins, LDU, Butters, Hately/Caldwell, Constable, Hind, Scott, Atkins, Gibbons

I reckon Bewley and Hayes are doubtful and even if named not sure I'd start either of them. Hind doesn't look like a great scorer either but might need to be selected if some of the others don't actually get picked

Constable, 1 of Scott/Hind, Atkins and Gibbons could possibly be the only decent looking cheap mid rookies come Round 1

FWD: Setterfield, Drew, Balta, Parker and Petruccelle seem like the only 5 at this stage

I believe Petruccelle and Parker will both get a good run at it providing they don't completely shower the bed, but I still wouldn't want either of them on field

Setterfield and Drew look good for on field positions

Balta is the mystery man. Looks decent, but all of Lynch, Caddy and Grigg to return could see him pushed out of the 22 a few rounds in and that's exactly what we don't want to get caught with. I know Bully is keen on him, and Balta is flexible, but who else is going to make way for those guys?

Parker Petruccelle bench, with Setterfield Drew on field. I cannot figure out whether I need 4 prem forwards, or can I get away with 3 and rely on Balta?

That's my current thoughts on all likely rookies. Would love to get others thoughts on who they think we can comfortably place in our sides now, especially regarding def and fwd
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: LaHug on March 12, 2019, 07:40:01 AM
Burgess definitely back into the equation now if we decide to downgrade Roberton to Moore
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: jfitty on March 12, 2019, 08:16:45 AM
Is Blakey a chance for round 1? He's the only other one I'm considering in the forward line other than the ones mentioned
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 12, 2019, 08:39:51 AM
Is Blakey a chance for round 1? He's the only other one I'm considering in the forward line other than the ones mentioned

He's a chance - I just left him out because there's no chance I'm paying that much for him. Don't expect him to score well for that price
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: sammy123 on March 12, 2019, 11:12:24 AM
Is Blakey a chance for round 1? He's the only other one I'm considering in the forward line other than the ones mentioned


He'll play buy scoring will be low. Buddy should line up round one and all swans do is kick to him
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ringo on March 12, 2019, 11:28:48 AM
For anyone considering Rankine he is unlikely for Rd 1 due to injury suffered in JLT.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 12, 2019, 12:16:51 PM
im shaving burgess on bench over balta good dpp with moore
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: frenzy on March 12, 2019, 01:24:45 PM
im shaving burgess on bench over balta good dpp with moore

bac sac and crac
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: js19 on March 12, 2019, 03:55:42 PM
Worth a look:
https://twitter.com/damion23/status/1105040709793439745?s=21
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 12, 2019, 04:02:39 PM
Worth a look:
https://twitter.com/damion23/status/1105040709793439745?s=21

I have to disagree with Balta being a place holder for Lynch, he's effectively Richmond's second ruck, can't see anyone else being up for the job. Aside from that Lynch is firming for round 1.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 12, 2019, 04:08:32 PM
Worth a look:
https://twitter.com/damion23/status/1105040709793439745?s=21

He reckons there is 27 likely to debut Round 1, but I would argue several of them are not a good chance at all like he thinks they are. Point is, it's all just opinion at this stage and we'll find out next week :)

As for Balta, he might play Round 1, but the worry is Caddy/Grigg etc returning, and whether or not he makes way because regardless of his flexibility he'd have to be right near the front of the line in terms of who is first to make way

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 12, 2019, 04:15:06 PM
Worth a look:
https://twitter.com/damion23/status/1105040709793439745?s=21

He reckons there is 27 likely to debut Round 1, but I would argue several of them are not a good chance at all like he thinks they are. Point is, it's all just opinion at this stage and we'll find out next week :)

As for Balta, he might play Round 1, but the worry is Caddy/Grigg etc returning, and whether or not he makes way because regardless of his flexibility he'd have to be right near the front of the line in terms of who is first to make way

Poor form won't save him but I'm picking him because he has excellent scoring potential & there's the issue of the ruck. If he gets dropped then so be it, just have to go on gut instincts.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 12, 2019, 04:19:57 PM
Worth a look:
https://twitter.com/damion23/status/1105040709793439745?s=21

He reckons there is 27 likely to debut Round 1, but I would argue several of them are not a good chance at all like he thinks they are. Point is, it's all just opinion at this stage and we'll find out next week :)

As for Balta, he might play Round 1, but the worry is Caddy/Grigg etc returning, and whether or not he makes way because regardless of his flexibility he'd have to be right near the front of the line in terms of who is first to make way

Poor form won't save him but I'm picking him because he has excellent scoring potential & there's the issue of the ruck. If he gets dropped then so be it, just have to go on gut instincts.

It's a call to make next week

For now, I have Petruccelle, Balta and Parker vying for my 2 bench spots - I think that makes sense - not going to rely on fielding any of them for various reasons (scoring for Pet and Parker, JS for Balta) so I'll just check out teams next week an dump 1 of those 3
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: js19 on March 12, 2019, 04:21:56 PM
Worth a look:
https://twitter.com/damion23/status/1105040709793439745?s=21

He reckons there is 27 likely to debut Round 1, but I would argue several of them are not a good chance at all like he thinks they are. Point is, it's all just opinion at this stage and we'll find out next week :)

As for Balta, he might play Round 1, but the worry is Caddy/Grigg etc returning, and whether or not he makes way because regardless of his flexibility he'd have to be right near the front of the line in terms of who is first to make way

Poor form won't save him but I'm picking him because he has excellent scoring potential & there's the issue of the ruck. If he gets dropped then so be it, just have to go on gut instincts.

It's a call to make next week

For now, I have Petruccelle, Balta and Parker vying for my 2 bench spots - I think that makes sense - not going to rely on fielding any of them for various reasons (scoring for Pet and Parker, JS for Balta) so I'll just check out teams next week an dump 1 of those 3

Yeah, I don’t necessarily agree with all assessments, but the data there is a handy guide anyways
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Money Shot on March 12, 2019, 04:31:30 PM
I’m in a similar boat!

Setterfield and Drew at F5 and F6 and Balta/Parker taking the bench positions. Petruccelle is my back up.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bones Bombers on March 12, 2019, 04:56:02 PM
Round 1 draw may make the choice for me with Balta playing Thursday night and Petrucelle playing Saturday night and Parker playing Sunday.
If Thursday night comes around and Balta is confirmed playing can we take the chance on both the others being guaranteed playing?
I know the long term can be important but when round 1 hits us I’ll probably take the certainty.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 12, 2019, 05:37:15 PM
Sydney Swans @sydneyswans
We will lodge paperwork with the AFL to secure South Adelaide forward Hayden McLean as a rookie for the 2019 AFL season.

102k fwd rookie. Hopefully a downgrade target later in the season - can't imagine him rolling into the 22 anytime soon
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ringo on March 12, 2019, 05:38:34 PM
Suns: Lukosius, Burgess, Hombsch, Miles, Horlin-Smith, Murdoch and Collins will all debut.

So we have 3 expensive rookies confirmed in Collins, Burgess and Lukosius. First 2 will be in a lot of teams.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 12, 2019, 05:43:43 PM
Suns: Lukosius, Burgess, Hombsch, Miles, Horlin-Smith, Murdoch and Collins will all debut.

So we have 3 expensive rookies confirmed in Collins, Burgess and Lukosius. First 2 will be in a lot of teams.

Not doubting you, but do you have a source? Don't want another assumption ala Nige and the Port rookies :P

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on March 12, 2019, 05:44:34 PM
Suns: Lukosius, Burgess, Hombsch, Miles, Horlin-Smith, Murdoch and Collins will all debut.

So we have 3 expensive rookies confirmed in Collins, Burgess and Lukosius. First 2 will be in a lot of teams.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/SabSYEpsVh0di/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 12, 2019, 11:10:31 PM
Just rewatched eagles docker jlt match ... I reckon brander is a chance for eagles. When moved to defense he was pretty solid. If named reckon he could cement a spot and potentially take tommy coles spot
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ringo on March 13, 2019, 08:25:23 AM
Suns: Lukosius, Burgess, Hombsch, Miles, Horlin-Smith, Murdoch and Collins will all debut.

So we have 3 expensive rookies confirmed in Collins, Burgess and Lukosius. First 2 will be in a lot of teams.

Not doubting you, but do you have a source? Don't want another assumption ala Nige and the Port rookies :P
Been trying to find article for you but it was from Sam McClure if you can trust him.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: elephants on March 13, 2019, 08:30:46 AM
Just rewatched eagles docker jlt match ... I reckon brander is a chance for eagles. When moved to defense he was pretty solid. If named reckon he could cement a spot and potentially take tommy coles spot

He was flowering amazing man, so clean back there. Really hope we settle him down back and Oscar Allen seems to have a key fwd post locked down in future.

Seen a few tweets tonight suggesting Brander is right in the frame, I hope he is!
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ringo on March 13, 2019, 09:31:26 AM
Geelong: "He's got to the point where he'll be hard to push out (of the Round 1 team)" Chris Scott on Jordan Clark via @WhateleySEN

Sounding positive for Clark
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 13, 2019, 09:45:54 AM
Geelong: "He's got to the point where he'll be hard to push out (of the Round 1 team)" Chris Scott on Jordan Clark via @WhateleySEN

Sounding positive for Clark

Just what I wanted to hear - feel quite comfortable going light down back with Collins at D4 now
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: jfitty on March 13, 2019, 09:47:58 AM
Geelong: "He's got to the point where he'll be hard to push out (of the Round 1 team)" Chris Scott on Jordan Clark via @WhateleySEN

Sounding positive for Clark

Awesome news for Clark!

I just can't work out how they'll line up round 1 in defence:

Blicavs
Taylor
Henry
Henderson
Bews
Kolodjashnij
Stewart
Tuohy?
Guthrie(s)?
O'Connor?

Pick 6, including Clark.

He'll have to play well to fit in there and stay in the side ???
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Nige on March 13, 2019, 10:06:48 AM
Geelong: "He's got to the point where he'll be hard to push out (of the Round 1 team)" Chris Scott on Jordan Clark via @WhateleySEN

Sounding positive for Clark

Awesome news for Clark!

I just can't work out how they'll line up round 1 in defence:

Blicavs
Taylor
Henry
Henderson
Bews
Kolodjashnij
Stewart
Tuohy?
Guthrie(s)?
O'Connor?

Pick 6, including Clark.

He'll have to play well to fit in there and stay in the side ???
But he’s a rookie who looked good and scored well, he’s guaranteed to have more JS than their established defenders!!!
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 13, 2019, 10:43:17 AM
Geelong: "He's got to the point where he'll be hard to push out (of the Round 1 team)" Chris Scott on Jordan Clark via @WhateleySEN

Sounding positive for Clark

Awesome news for Clark!

I just can't work out how they'll line up round 1 in defence:

Blicavs
Taylor
Henry
Henderson
Bews
Kolodjashnij
Stewart
Tuohy?
Guthrie(s)?
O'Connor?

Pick 6, including Clark.

He'll have to play well to fit in there and stay in the side ???
But he’s a rookie who looked good and scored well, he’s guaranteed to have more JS than their established defenders!!!

Other than Stewart, Tuohy, Blicavs and probably Hendo I could easily see how the rest of those don't play. Established means squat if you're not up to it and others are passing you

O'Connor is meh, Kolo is alright but not a lock. Henry can play forward, as can Taylor (who might not even be best 22 anymore)

Clarke would be vying for Kolo/O'Connor/Z.Guthrie spot, and he could easily jump ahead of those 3
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: whynot102 on March 13, 2019, 08:37:14 PM
Thoughts on Jordan Ridley
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: LaHug on March 13, 2019, 09:05:32 PM
Thoughts on Jordan Ridley

He's been discussed a fair bit. I'm getting more and more tempted
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on March 13, 2019, 09:56:23 PM
Thoughts on Jordan Ridley

He's been discussed a fair bit. I'm getting more and more tempted

Very tempted as well. What actually is his role? Rebounding  defender?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 13, 2019, 10:01:15 PM
Surely he is a textbook JLT trap. We've seen like nothing of him, played two solid games, one had a very inflated SC for some average stats too (18 touches and a goal from a 50m pen) The other, a decent game. Also played 3 games last year, 1 good, two stinkers. Wasnt even a very high pick to suggest the top end talent has been there. I just think the sample size is too small.

The only reasons im considering Moore and not Ridley, is the age, more highly touted and looks to have the better role with kick ins.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on March 13, 2019, 10:39:14 PM
Surely he is a textbook JLT trap. We've seen like nothing of him, played two solid games, one had a very inflated SC for some average stats too (18 touches and a goal from a 50m pen) The other, a decent game. Also played 3 games last year, 1 good, two stinkers. Wasnt even a very high pick to suggest the top end talent has been there. I just think the sample size is too small.

The only reasons im considering Moore and not Ridley, is the age, more highly touted and looks to have the better role with kick ins.

You're right, and I probably won't end up going with him but there's always guys that break out and he's showing the early signs. Would rather sit off him for 2 weeks though and if he goes well will get him in before price increase
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 13, 2019, 11:05:56 PM
Surely he is a textbook JLT trap. We've seen like nothing of him, played two solid games, one had a very inflated SC for some average stats too (18 touches and a goal from a 50m pen) The other, a decent game. Also played 3 games last year, 1 good, two stinkers. Wasnt even a very high pick to suggest the top end talent has been there. I just think the sample size is too small.

The only reasons im considering Moore and not Ridley, is the age, more highly touted and looks to have the better role with kick ins.

Ridley was the first pick in the second round (and the pick right before Alex Witherden) so while he may not be a first round or top 10 pick he is still a pretty high pick.

Zac Fisher, Willem Drew (who is cheaper but a popular pick this year), Tom Stewart and Tom Williamson were all selected after him.

Darcy Moore was also really only taking kickouts against us when Collingwood were looking to get it long out of defense. He shanked half of them off the boot trying to get the distance. This is normally where Dunn would step in to take them and Goldsack has also done it on occassions. He doesn't appear to be the designated guy with Maynard and Crisp also taking them. Add in Howe as another option . Ridley was sharing the kickout duties for the Dons so it's a wash there. I'd back Ridley to win more of the pill though
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 13, 2019, 11:23:27 PM
Surely he is a textbook JLT trap. We've seen like nothing of him, played two solid games, one had a very inflated SC for some average stats too (18 touches and a goal from a 50m pen) The other, a decent game. Also played 3 games last year, 1 good, two stinkers. Wasnt even a very high pick to suggest the top end talent has been there. I just think the sample size is too small.

The only reasons im considering Moore and not Ridley, is the age, more highly touted and looks to have the better role with kick ins.

Ridley was the first pick in the second round (and the pick right before Alex Witherden) so while he may not be a first round or top 10 pick he is still a pretty high pick.

Zac Fisher, Willem Drew (who is cheaper but a popular pick this year), Tom Stewart and Tom Williamson were all selected after him.

Darcy Moore was also really only taking kickouts against us when Collingwood were looking to get it long out of defense. He shanked half of them off the boot trying to get the distance. This is normally where Dunn would step in to take them and Goldsack has also done it on occassions. He doesn't appear to be the designated guy with Maynard and Crisp also taking them. Add in Howe as another option . Ridley was sharing the kickout duties for the Dons so it's a wash there. I'd back Ridley to win more of the pill though

I'm not sure if you're just making up stats but Moore took more kick ins than anyone else in the JLT, played on from 8 in two games and went at high 80's for DE overall so i dont really see how you believe "he doesnt appear to be the designated guy. Dunn has to be pushing 33 now too, surely you go with your next generation talent, Moore is a good kick and a long one as well. Maynard/Crisp/Howe all played in the games Moore took the kick ins for. Ridley didnt even get close to finishing in the top kick in takers as he wasnt on the list so not sure how its a wash.

I have 90k spare right now, i could go Clark/Scrim to Ridely, i'm just not sure i want to.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ricochet on March 13, 2019, 11:29:48 PM
Surely he is a textbook JLT trap. We've seen like nothing of him, played two solid games, one had a very inflated SC for some average stats too (18 touches and a goal from a 50m pen) The other, a decent game. Also played 3 games last year, 1 good, two stinkers. Wasnt even a very high pick to suggest the top end talent has been there. I just think the sample size is too small.

The only reasons im considering Moore and not Ridley, is the age, more highly touted and looks to have the better role with kick ins.

Ridley was the first pick in the second round (and the pick right before Alex Witherden) so while he may not be a first round or top 10 pick he is still a pretty high pick.

Zac Fisher, Willem Drew (who is cheaper but a popular pick this year), Tom Stewart and Tom Williamson were all selected after him.

Darcy Moore was also really only taking kickouts against us when Collingwood were looking to get it long out of defense. He shanked half of them off the boot trying to get the distance. This is normally where Dunn would step in to take them and Goldsack has also done it on occassions. He doesn't appear to be the designated guy with Maynard and Crisp also taking them. Add in Howe as another option . Ridley was sharing the kickout duties for the Dons so it's a wash there. I'd back Ridley to win more of the pill though

I'm not sure if you're just making up stats but Moore took more kick ins than anyone else in the JLT, played on from 8 in two games and went at high 80's for DE overall so i dont really see how you believe "he doesnt appear to be the designated guy. Dunn has to be pushing 33 now too, surely you go with your next generation talent, Moore is a good kick and a long one as well. Maynard/Crisp/Howe all played in the games Moore took the kick ins for. Ridley didnt even get close to finishing in the top kick in takers as he wasnt on the list so not sure how its a wash.

I have 90k spare right now, i could go Clark/Scrim to Ridely, i'm just not sure i want to.
Howe is probably the one that would impact Moore on kickins the most. Does normally take a heap, and played flower all JLT. I'm keen on Moore, but it's something to keep in mind re kickins
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: HappyDEZ on March 13, 2019, 11:37:28 PM
Surely he is a textbook JLT trap. We've seen like nothing of him, played two solid games, one had a very inflated SC for some average stats too (18 touches and a goal from a 50m pen) The other, a decent game. Also played 3 games last year, 1 good, two stinkers. Wasnt even a very high pick to suggest the top end talent has been there. I just think the sample size is too small.

The only reasons im considering Moore and not Ridley, is the age, more highly touted and looks to have the better role with kick ins.

Ridley was the first pick in the second round (and the pick right before Alex Witherden) so while he may not be a first round or top 10 pick he is still a pretty high pick.

Zac Fisher, Willem Drew (who is cheaper but a popular pick this year), Tom Stewart and Tom Williamson were all selected after him.

Darcy Moore was also really only taking kickouts against us when Collingwood were looking to get it long out of defense. He shanked half of them off the boot trying to get the distance. This is normally where Dunn would step in to take them and Goldsack has also done it on occassions. He doesn't appear to be the designated guy with Maynard and Crisp also taking them. Add in Howe as another option . Ridley was sharing the kickout duties for the Dons so it's a wash there. I'd back Ridley to win more of the pill though

I'm not sure if you're just making up stats but Moore took more kick ins than anyone else in the JLT, played on from 8 in two games and went at high 80's for DE overall so i dont really see how you believe "he doesnt appear to be the designated guy. Dunn has to be pushing 33 now too, surely you go with your next generation talent, Moore is a good kick and a long one as well. Maynard/Crisp/Howe all played in the games Moore took the kick ins for. Ridley didnt even get close to finishing in the top kick in takers as he wasnt on the list so not sure how its a wash.

I have 90k spare right now, i could go Clark/Scrim to Ridely, i'm just not sure i want to.
Howe is probably the one that would impact Moore on kickins the most. Does normally take a heap, and played flower all JLT. I'm keen on Moore, but it's something to keep in mind re kickins
I think Moore looks more than capable of scoring in his newish defensive role & is cheap as chips relatively speaking. The real question is can he string some games together without breaking down?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 13, 2019, 11:59:14 PM
I'm not sure if you're just making up stats but Moore took more kick ins than anyone else in the JLT, played on from 8 in two games and went at high 80's for DE overall so i dont really see how you believe "he doesnt appear to be the designated guy. Dunn has to be pushing 33 now too, surely you go with your next generation talent, Moore is a good kick and a long one as well. Maynard/Crisp/Howe all played in the games Moore took the kick ins for. Ridley didnt even get close to finishing in the top kick in takers as he wasnt on the list so not sure how its a wash.

I have 90k spare right now, i could go Clark/Scrim to Ridely, i'm just not sure i want to.

I'm referencing the Carlton game which I watched, not the Freo game which I saw 0 of. They shared the kicks pretty evenly hut put the ball in Moore's hands late in the game. I want to say he took 4 of the last 5. A couple were short chip passes but they wanted to use him to get the penetration that Howe/Crisp don't have in their kicking and were normally the Dunn/Goldsack kicks. They were both long tumble punts he shanked off the boot.

You can talk all you want about the next generation but Collingwood are in win now mode. If it comes to a clutch situation they will go to their clutch guys. Dunn or Goldsack are probably the ones you want on the ball busting kick out. Moore will get his share, but it's not going to be completely lopsided. He will probably see more while Dunn is out with the ACL and will probably see the majority of the 33% that he was getting.

I would peg Francis and Ridley to take BJ's share of the kickouts. BJ was taking about a quarter of them last year for the Bombers. I thought it was a bit more so that number will probably be in the 10-12% range. I thought it was a bit higher so that's my bad.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Daicos. on March 14, 2019, 02:10:14 AM
I'm not sure if you're just making up stats but Moore took more kick ins than anyone else in the JLT, played on from 8 in two games and went at high 80's for DE overall so i dont really see how you believe "he doesnt appear to be the designated guy. Dunn has to be pushing 33 now too, surely you go with your next generation talent, Moore is a good kick and a long one as well. Maynard/Crisp/Howe all played in the games Moore took the kick ins for. Ridley didnt even get close to finishing in the top kick in takers as he wasnt on the list so not sure how its a wash.

I have 90k spare right now, i could go Clark/Scrim to Ridely, i'm just not sure i want to.

I'm referencing the Carlton game which I watched, not the Freo game which I saw 0 of. They shared the kicks pretty evenly hut put the ball in Moore's hands late in the game. I want to say he took 4 of the last 5. A couple were short chip passes but they wanted to use him to get the penetration that Howe/Crisp don't have in their kicking and were normally the Dunn/Goldsack kicks. They were both long tumble punts he shanked off the boot.

You can talk all you want about the next generation but Collingwood are in win now mode. If it comes to a clutch situation they will go to their clutch guys. Dunn or Goldsack are probably the ones you want on the ball busting kick out. Moore will get his share, but it's not going to be completely lopsided. He will probably see more while Dunn is out with the ACL and will probably see the majority of the 33% that he was getting.

I would peg Francis and Ridley to take BJ's share of the kickouts. BJ was taking about a quarter of them last year for the Bombers. I thought it was a bit more so that number will probably be in the 10-12% range. I thought it was a bit higher so that's my bad.

Penetration on the kick? On the run which from the goal square majority of kick ins will be, both Crisp and Howe have more penetrating kicks than Moore.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 14, 2019, 09:30:18 AM
I'm not sure if you're just making up stats but Moore took more kick ins than anyone else in the JLT, played on from 8 in two games and went at high 80's for DE overall so i dont really see how you believe "he doesnt appear to be the designated guy. Dunn has to be pushing 33 now too, surely you go with your next generation talent, Moore is a good kick and a long one as well. Maynard/Crisp/Howe all played in the games Moore took the kick ins for. Ridley didnt even get close to finishing in the top kick in takers as he wasnt on the list so not sure how its a wash.

I have 90k spare right now, i could go Clark/Scrim to Ridely, i'm just not sure i want to.

I'm referencing the Carlton game which I watched, not the Freo game which I saw 0 of. They shared the kicks pretty evenly hut put the ball in Moore's hands late in the game. I want to say he took 4 of the last 5. A couple were short chip passes but they wanted to use him to get the penetration that Howe/Crisp don't have in their kicking and were normally the Dunn/Goldsack kicks. They were both long tumble punts he shanked off the boot.

You can talk all you want about the next generation but Collingwood are in win now mode. If it comes to a clutch situation they will go to their clutch guys. Dunn or Goldsack are probably the ones you want on the ball busting kick out. Moore will get his share, but it's not going to be completely lopsided. He will probably see more while Dunn is out with the ACL and will probably see the majority of the 33% that he was getting.

I would peg Francis and Ridley to take BJ's share of the kickouts. BJ was taking about a quarter of them last year for the Bombers. I thought it was a bit more so that number will probably be in the 10-12% range. I thought it was a bit higher so that's my bad.

This is why I follow what this guy has to say on fanfooty. He watches the games properly. Never mind the stats that deceive most. Trusts his eyes.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: _wato on March 14, 2019, 04:06:41 PM
Lol as a Pies supporter I can say right now Moore will take majority of kick ins.

Plus this is what has me excited about Moore regardless of kick outs.

Averaged 18 touches over the 2 JLT’s, had 7 intercepts marks and led the Pies for rebound 50’s with 13.

Lock
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: _wato on March 14, 2019, 04:11:55 PM
Also Saints just picked up Johnathon Marsh ex Pies guy.

Very interesting. Carlisle down and Roberton 50/50, would be rookie priced!!!
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Big Mac on March 14, 2019, 04:43:28 PM
Lol as a Pies supporter I can say right now Moore will take majority of kick ins.

Plus this is what has me excited about Moore regardless of kick outs.

Averaged 18 touches over the 2 JLT’s, had 7 intercepts marks and led the Pies for rebound 50’s with 13.

Lock

Why is Moore the better option for kick-outs?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on March 14, 2019, 04:51:11 PM
Also Saints just picked up Johnathon Marsh ex Pies guy.

Very interesting. Carlisle down and Roberton 50/50, would be rookie priced!!!

Would be hard to say no to a 100k guy at D8. It may mean I go with 5 rookies in defence if he's named round 1
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 14, 2019, 05:16:13 PM
Might help with sorting out structures etc

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-03-14/mock-teams-your-clubs-best-22-for-round-one
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: _wato on March 14, 2019, 05:50:34 PM
Lol as a Pies supporter I can say right now Moore will take majority of kick ins.

Plus this is what has me excited about Moore regardless of kick outs.

Averaged 18 touches over the 2 JLT’s, had 7 intercepts marks and led the Pies for rebound 50’s with 13.

Lock

Why is Moore the better option for kick-outs?

Because Howe is a fantastic aerialist and great field kick, he’d be better utilised as the next option to chop open zones. Crisp is better used as a link up player if we go the short to utilise his speed and awareness and Dunn is old as heck, I’d rather him be standing the oppositions best forward in case of a counter attack.

Don’t even get me started on Maynard’s kicking and langdon better used elsewhere.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Wanderer on March 14, 2019, 06:06:17 PM
Lol as a Pies supporter I can say right now Moore will take majority of kick ins.

Plus this is what has me excited about Moore regardless of kick outs.

Averaged 18 touches over the 2 JLT’s, had 7 intercepts marks and led the Pies for rebound 50’s with 13.

Lock

Why is Moore the better option for kick-outs?

Because Howe is a fantastic aerialist and great field kick, he’d be better utilised as the next option to chop open zones. Crisp is better used as a link up player if we go the short to utilise his speed and awareness and Dunn is old as heck, I’d rather him be standing the oppositions best forward in case of a counter attack.

Don’t even get me started on Maynard’s kicking and langdon better used elsewhere.

Have to agree with Wato..... Dunn is the biggest threat but I think they are going to want to give Moore a chance like they did in JLT. It's really Moore's role to lose.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 14, 2019, 06:48:42 PM
There's really not much risk with Moore at his price

If he turns into a bad pick he's an easy downgrade to a missed rookie, or even a Ridley/Robbo/Hanley type if they look to be killing it

His DPP with Burgess giving you cover on both lines and potential upside due to role is quite attractive when the risk is low like it is.

If he was 300k different story maybe, but 240k is not a big gamble all things considered.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 14, 2019, 06:51:58 PM
There's really not much risk with Moore at his price

If he turns into a bad pick he's an easy downgrade to a missed rookie, or even a Ridley/Robbo/Hanley type if they look to be killing it

His DPP with Burgess giving you cover on both lines and potential upside due to role is quite attractive when the risk is low like it is.

If he was 300k different story maybe, but 240k is not a big gamble all things considered.

Kind of agree but it's finding 40k to upgrade Collins which is the problem. If Robbo is out he's the logical choice.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 14, 2019, 06:56:59 PM
There's really not much risk with Moore at his price

If he turns into a bad pick he's an easy downgrade to a missed rookie, or even a Ridley/Robbo/Hanley type if they look to be killing it

His DPP with Burgess giving you cover on both lines and potential upside due to role is quite attractive when the risk is low like it is.

If he was 300k different story maybe, but 240k is not a big gamble all things considered.

Kind of agree but it's finding 40k to upgrade Collins which is the problem. If Robbo is out he's the logical choice.

There's enough options down back imo. The forward line is a mess, so I've had Moore at F4 behind Greene for a little while now, and Burgess down back on bench. Moore at F4 kind of relieves me of fwd worries too for now. I'd rather 3 def rookies on field then 3 fwd rookies on field so it seems to be working well for me atm
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 14, 2019, 07:11:07 PM
There's really not much risk with Moore at his price

If he turns into a bad pick he's an easy downgrade to a missed rookie, or even a Ridley/Robbo/Hanley type if they look to be killing it

His DPP with Burgess giving you cover on both lines and potential upside due to role is quite attractive when the risk is low like it is.

If he was 300k different story maybe, but 240k is not a big gamble all things considered.

Kind of agree but it's finding 40k to upgrade Collins which is the problem. If Robbo is out he's the logical choice.

There's enough options down back imo. The forward line is a mess, so I've had Moore at F4 behind Greene for a little while now, and Burgess down back on bench. Moore at F4 kind of relieves me of fwd worries too for now. I'd rather 3 def rookies on field then 3 fwd rookies on field so it seems to be working well for me atm

Don't think you need to stress about one line or another, you can switch that up if the need arises.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Wanderer on March 14, 2019, 09:41:59 PM
There's really not much risk with Moore at his price

If he turns into a bad pick he's an easy downgrade to a missed rookie, or even a Ridley/Robbo/Hanley type if they look to be killing it

His DPP with Burgess giving you cover on both lines and potential upside due to role is quite attractive when the risk is low like it is.

If he was 300k different story maybe, but 240k is not a big gamble all things considered.

Kind of agree but it's finding 40k to upgrade Collins which is the problem. If Robbo is out he's the logical choice.

There's enough options down back imo. The forward line is a mess, so I've had Moore at F4 behind Greene for a little while now, and Burgess down back on bench. Moore at F4 kind of relieves me of fwd worries too for now. I'd rather 3 def rookies on field then 3 fwd rookies on field so it seems to be working well for me atm

Don't think you need to stress about one line or another, you can switch that up if the need arises.

I dropped Mundy for Moore (now my F4 behind Heeney) and turned Collins into Clark, which gave me enough cash to turn Hind into Dusty and the team looks so much better (plus get to use DPP between Moore and the slow burner emergency Burgess).
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 14, 2019, 10:00:21 PM
There's really not much risk with Moore at his price

If he turns into a bad pick he's an easy downgrade to a missed rookie, or even a Ridley/Robbo/Hanley type if they look to be killing it

His DPP with Burgess giving you cover on both lines and potential upside due to role is quite attractive when the risk is low like it is.

If he was 300k different story maybe, but 240k is not a big gamble all things considered.

Kind of agree but it's finding 40k to upgrade Collins which is the problem. If Robbo is out he's the logical choice.

There's enough options down back imo. The forward line is a mess, so I've had Moore at F4 behind Greene for a little while now, and Burgess down back on bench. Moore at F4 kind of relieves me of fwd worries too for now. I'd rather 3 def rookies on field then 3 fwd rookies on field so it seems to be working well for me atm

Don't think you need to stress about one line or another, you can switch that up if the need arises.

I dropped Mundy for Moore (now my F4 behind Heeney) and turned Collins into Clark, which gave me enough cash to turn Hind into Dusty and the team looks so much better (plus get to use DPP between Moore and the slow burner emergency Burgess).

With news about Robbo I'm also bringing in the Moore/Burgess double act. The extra funds can get Dusty up to Fyfe.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ricochet on March 15, 2019, 07:19:37 AM
ZClarke could be a fair chance for early games now with Daniher out for 6 weeks as well
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: LaHug on March 15, 2019, 07:34:45 AM
ZClarke could be a fair chance for early games now with Daniher out for 6 weeks as well

That would surely just firm McKernan's spot as a forward and pinch hitter though, right? I don't think Clarke's a capable forward...?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 15, 2019, 08:01:39 AM
ZClarke could be a fair chance for early games now with Daniher out for 6 weeks as well

That would surely just firm McKernan's spot as a forward and pinch hitter though, right? I don't think Clarke's a capable forward...?

Yeah I'd think so

Daniher was out last year and that didn't help Luey at all so I doubt it helps Clarke
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: tommy10 on March 15, 2019, 08:10:37 AM
ZClarke could be a fair chance for early games now with Daniher out for 6 weeks as well

That would surely just firm McKernan's spot as a forward and pinch hitter though, right? I don't think Clarke's a capable forward...?

Yeah I'd think so

Daniher was out last year and that didn't help Luey at all so I doubt it helps Clarke
+1 really helps Mckernan and being a Bombers fan I hope they continue last year’s 2nd half form into this season.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: tommy10 on March 15, 2019, 08:21:59 AM
Are people still picking Hately in addition to Walsh/Cousins/Butters as the expensive mid rookies? Tonned up in JLT1 but didn’t fare that well in JLT2.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ricochet on March 15, 2019, 08:22:41 AM
ZClarke could be a fair chance for early games now with Daniher out for 6 weeks as well

That would surely just firm McKernan's spot as a forward and pinch hitter though, right? I don't think Clarke's a capable forward...?
Clarke spent a fair chunk of his career at Freo as a fwd/2nd ruck to Sandi. He's not useless down there
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: LaHug on March 15, 2019, 09:06:01 AM
Are people still picking Hately in addition to Walsh/Cousins/Butters as the expensive mid rookies? Tonned up in JLT1 but didn’t fare that well in JLT2.

I didn't even think people could afford Walsh/Cousins/Butters. That's three pricey rookies already. I wouldn't get Hately on top of that as well. Probably just Walsh and Butters for me and, right now, I can't afford Butters :/
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: tommy10 on March 15, 2019, 09:54:48 AM
Are people still picking Hately in addition to Walsh/Cousins/Butters as the expensive mid rookies? Tonned up in JLT1 but didn’t fare that well in JLT2.

I didn't even think people could afford Walsh/Cousins/Butters. That's three pricey rookies already. I wouldn't get Hately on top of that as well. Probably just Walsh and Butters for me and, right now, I can't afford Butters :/
I don’t have Cousins, but have Walsh and Butters. Have Hately in my side atm, but have enough cash to go to Cousins. Not sure I’ll do it as it a lot to spend on rookies.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on March 15, 2019, 10:09:00 AM
Are people still picking Hately in addition to Walsh/Cousins/Butters as the expensive mid rookies? Tonned up in JLT1 but didn’t fare that well in JLT2.

I didn't even think people could afford Walsh/Cousins/Butters. That's three pricey rookies already. I wouldn't get Hately on top of that as well. Probably just Walsh and Butters for me and, right now, I can't afford Butters :/
I don’t have Cousins, but have Walsh and Butters. Have Hately in my side atm, but have enough cash to go to Cousins. Not sure I’ll do it as it a lot to spend on rookies.
I'm rocking the Walsh/Butters/Hately combo atm. Ultimately depends on who is actually named rd1 though.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: sammy123 on March 15, 2019, 11:15:23 AM
Are people still picking Hately in addition to Walsh/Cousins/Butters as the expensive mid rookies? Tonned up in JLT1 but didn’t fare that well in JLT2.

I didn't even think people could afford Walsh/Cousins/Butters. That's three pricey rookies already. I wouldn't get Hately on top of that as well. Probably just Walsh and Butters for me and, right now, I can't afford Butters :/
I don’t have Cousins, but have Walsh and Butters. Have Hately in my side atm, but have enough cash to go to Cousins. Not sure I’ll do it as it a lot to spend on rookies.
I'm rocking the Walsh/Butters/Hately combo atm. Ultimately depends on who is actually named rd1 though.

Just butters and walsh for me atm. Ad their my m7 and 8
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 15, 2019, 12:42:05 PM
Jonathon Marsh  been added now is 163k
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: bkimm32 on March 15, 2019, 12:46:25 PM
Jonathon Marsh  been added now is 163k
Touch expensive imo...? hard to fit him in with Collins, Ridley, Scrimshaw and Duursma being better options. Especially with no real gauge of pre-season form.

Might be a decent downgrade if he doesn't crack the side for a few weeks (doubt he will be a round 1 start regardless)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 15, 2019, 12:57:44 PM
Jonathon Marsh  been added now is 163k
Touch expensive imo...? hard to fit him in with Collins, Ridley, Scrimshaw and Duursma being better options. Especially with no real gauge of pre-season form.

Might be a decent downgrade if he doesn't crack the side for a few weeks (doubt he will be a round 1 start regardless)

he might with Brown suspended rnd 1
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 15, 2019, 01:00:38 PM
Marsh is a nice backup option just in case someone like Scrimshaw doesn't get named - allows me to keep my structure in place

Wouldn't be changing my structure and going even lighter because of him though - just a handy backup option
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ricochet on March 15, 2019, 01:20:19 PM
Melb have added 23-year-old VFL player Jay Lockhart through the pre-season SSP.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: enzedder on March 15, 2019, 01:58:42 PM
Saints have added Sam Rowe.... but 17 games in 2018 means forgetaboudid...he's no rookie.
Clarke though may get his chance with Daniher out for 6...McKernan should be the one that benefits most though one would think.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Koop on March 15, 2019, 02:08:19 PM
Melb have added 23-year-old VFL player Jay Lockhart through the pre-season SSP.


Jay Lockhart VFL 2018 stats per game

10.1 kicks (60.59% effective)
6.1 handballs (85.95% effective)
16.2 disposals
3 marks (.3 contested)
4.2 tackles
0.5 goals
1.15 FF
1.3 FA

Notes: Sub 180cm, ferocious attack on ball & runs all day. Has good goal sense. Very up & down on the stats sheet, really needs consistency.


Jonothan Marsh WAFL 2018 stats per game (uninjured)

12.9 kicks
5.4 handballs
18.3 disposals
6.4 marks
2.6 tackles
0.7 FF
0.9 FA

Notes: Can play either as an agile third tall or rebounding defender. Possesses extremely freakish pace & agility for a 190cm+ player. Played 10 games for Collingwood in 2016 as a third tall & averaged 60. Has had issues over decision-making in the past.

Sam Fletcher (GC) TAC Cup 2018 stats per game (uninjured)

10.6 kicks (50.94% effective)
14.5 handballs (71.72% effective)
25.1 disposals (53.73% contested)
3.7 marks
7.3 tackles
5.4 clearances (inj game incl.)
3.3 I50 (inj game incl.)
1.2 FF
1 FA

Notes: Inside accumulator who had an interrupted top-age year with injury. Hard at the contest operator who gets first use of the ball. Has some efficiency queries but is a nice size for modern day footballer (188cm).
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 15, 2019, 03:30:17 PM
Just talking purely mids in this case

I don't think we will have much trouble getting 3 cheap guys to fill out the bench. Constable, Atkins, Gibbons, Scott, Hind are all a good chance

What I'm trying to make a decision on is the pricier guys

What if all of Walsh, Butters, Caldwell/Hately line up

Part of me thinks don't bother, just grab Walsh and the cheapies, but the other part is wondering if I should grab the like of Butters/Caldwell/Hately

It means I go lighter in the mids, and in turn deeper on other lines, but if there's enough rookies on all 3 lines then I'm going to need to prioritise and make a call on which ones take precedent over others etc

Tough decisions ahead
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ringo on March 15, 2019, 03:35:12 PM
Just updating the signings under SSP and SC Prices:

DEMONS: Jay Lockhart,102,400 MID/DEF
SAINTS: Johnathon Marsh,163,100 DEF
SAINTS: Sam Rowe, 270,800 DEF
HAWKS: Ned Reeves,102,400 RUC
GCS: Sam Fletcher, 102,400 MID
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on March 15, 2019, 03:36:47 PM
That's  a shame about Marsh's price. Would be a lock at 102k
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Money Shot on March 15, 2019, 03:36:51 PM
Just talking purely mids in this case

I don't think we will have much trouble getting 3 cheap guys to fill out the bench. Constable, Atkins, Gibbons, Scott, Hind are all a good chance

What I'm trying to make a decision on is the pricier guys

What if all of Walsh, Butters, Caldwell/Hately line up

Part of me thinks don't bother, just grab Walsh and the cheapies, but the other part is wondering if I should grab the like of Butters/Caldwell/Hately

It means I go lighter in the mids, and in turn deeper on other lines, but if there's enough rookies on all 3 lines then I'm going to need to prioritise and make a call on which ones take precedent over others etc

Tough decisions ahead
A decision I have been struggling with.

Walsh is locked.

Butters/Cousins have shown really good potential but having Walsh at M7 limits me. I think Constable and Scott will score well enough for M8 and Gibbons and Atkins only need a few good games to make some serious coin.

Cousins, Hately and Butters miss out at this stage.

Butters the one I want most.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ringo on March 15, 2019, 03:39:41 PM
Just talking purely mids in this case

I don't think we will have much trouble getting 3 cheap guys to fill out the bench. Constable, Atkins, Gibbons, Scott, Hind are all a good chance

What I'm trying to make a decision on is the pricier guys

What if all of Walsh, Butters, Caldwell/Hately line up

Part of me thinks don't bother, just grab Walsh and the cheapies, but the other part is wondering if I should grab the like of Butters/Caldwell/Hately

It means I go lighter in the mids, and in turn deeper on other lines, but if there's enough rookies on all 3 lines then I'm going to need to prioritise and make a call on which ones take precedent over others etc

Tough decisions ahead
If All line up I would grab Walsh and one of the three with the three cheapies on the bench. Unless you think they will score better than rookies on other lines.
Other thing to consider is how is the JS of all three as well as it will be a waste of cash sitting on pine at that value after 2 rds if dropped.
For what is worth I have Walsh at M7, Constable M8 with Atkins, Scott and Gibbons on bench
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Locinator on March 15, 2019, 03:47:03 PM
Just talking purely mids in this case

I don't think we will have much trouble getting 3 cheap guys to fill out the bench. Constable, Atkins, Gibbons, Scott, Hind are all a good chance

What I'm trying to make a decision on is the pricier guys

What if all of Walsh, Butters, Caldwell/Hately line up

Part of me thinks don't bother, just grab Walsh and the cheapies, but the other part is wondering if I should grab the like of Butters/Caldwell/Hately

It means I go lighter in the mids, and in turn deeper on other lines, but if there's enough rookies on all 3 lines then I'm going to need to prioritise and make a call on which ones take precedent over others etc

Tough decisions ahead

Butters and Hately likely get you +10 points on most defence and forward rookies. Butters could comfortably go 70+, and Hately has a 50:50 chance to push 70 IMO. Compare that to fielding a Hore/Duur/Balta/Parker/PetrolJelly at F6/D6 with lighter foward and back lines.

Also, given the magic number is somewhere in 5.5k range, if you're gaining 10 points on other rooks you are generating cash at about a marginally higher rate than the cheap rookies. For example, Butters @ +10 points on Hore means Butters will get 55k more expensive than Hore. Hore is 40k cheaper, therefore if Butters goes 10+ points up on any cheapy, you're 15k better off.

I seem to be an outsider, but given historically mid pricers are more likely to be keepers in the defence and forwards, I reckon running light the mids is a better structure. Also JS issues in the mids are less of an issue given you have 3 bench spots to cover a rookie getting dropped.

Currently running 4 premos, Walsh, Butters, Hately, Contable in my mids
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Locinator on March 15, 2019, 03:50:09 PM
But do appreciate that if you run cheaper rookies over Butters, Hately and that gets you 60-70k in other lines to get better mid-pricers or more premos that you can make up those points up with. Definitely a situational issue
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 15, 2019, 04:34:44 PM
Butters and Hately likely get you +10 points on most defence and forward rookies. Butters could comfortably go 70+, and Hately has a 50:50 chance to push 70 IMO. Compare that to fielding a Hore/Duur/Balta/Parker/PetrolJelly at F6/D6 with lighter foward and back lines.

Also, given the magic number is somewhere in 5.5k range, if you're gaining 10 points on other rooks you are generating cash at about a marginally higher rate than the cheap rookies. For example, Butters @ +10 points on Hore means Butters will get 55k more expensive than Hore. Hore is 40k cheaper, therefore if Butters goes 10+ points up on any cheapy, you're 15k better off.

I seem to be an outsider, but given historically mid pricers are more likely to be keepers in the defence and forwards, I reckon running light the mids is a better structure. Also JS issues in the mids are less of an issue given you have 3 bench spots to cover a rookie getting dropped.

Currently running 4 premos, Walsh, Butters, Hately, Contable in my mids

This is exactly what I am talking about

I currently have M6 Libba, M7 Walsh, M8 Constable, and I am happy with that, but at the same time I have guys like Duursma and Scrimshaw on field - and if hately/Caldwell/Butters are going to score better than them and are priced similar, do I dump my premo M5 and move Libba/Walsh back a spot, bring in the other mid rookie and drop Scrim/Duurs for a prem defender instead?

I'm not too worried about the prem spread for now - whether I have 3 def or 4 def keepers to start etc - I just want to get the rookies right
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: LaHug on March 15, 2019, 04:39:10 PM
If you're going for overall though, it might still be better to have those few extra mid premiums. Lose 10 points from rookies but gain 30 from premiums.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Gavdroid on March 15, 2019, 06:05:36 PM
Have seen a lot of teams with Constable at m8. I'm not convinced he even gets named, let alone his js. Who is he pushing out of the cats line up if they're also supposedly fitting Atkins and Clark in?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bully on March 15, 2019, 06:05:52 PM
Just talking purely mids in this case

I don't think we will have much trouble getting 3 cheap guys to fill out the bench. Constable, Atkins, Gibbons, Scott, Hind are all a good chance

What I'm trying to make a decision on is the pricier guys

What if all of Walsh, Butters, Caldwell/Hately line up

Part of me thinks don't bother, just grab Walsh and the cheapies, but the other part is wondering if I should grab the like of Butters/Caldwell/Hately

It means I go lighter in the mids, and in turn deeper on other lines, but if there's enough rookies on all 3 lines then I'm going to need to prioritise and make a call on which ones take precedent over others etc

Tough decisions ahead

Butters and Hately likely get you +10 points on most defence and forward rookies. Butters could comfortably go 70+, and Hately has a 50:50 chance to push 70 IMO. Compare that to fielding a Hore/Duur/Balta/Parker/PetrolJelly at F6/D6 with lighter foward and back lines.

Also, given the magic number is somewhere in 5.5k range, if you're gaining 10 points on other rooks you are generating cash at about a marginally higher rate than the cheap rookies. For example, Butters @ +10 points on Hore means Butters will get 55k more expensive than Hore. Hore is 40k cheaper, therefore if Butters goes 10+ points up on any cheapy, you're 15k better off.

I seem to be an outsider, but given historically mid pricers are more likely to be keepers in the defence and forwards, I reckon running light the mids is a better structure. Also JS issues in the mids are less of an issue given you have 3 bench spots to cover a rookie getting dropped.

Currently running 4 premos, Walsh, Butters, Hately, Contable in my mids

Don't think Butters is a certainty to hit 70, for starters I don't think he will get the latitude in the real deal & he is incredibly light. He is also very outside, can see him having good days but also some poor ones. Stephenson won the Rising Star & only averaged 64, can't say Butters is a 6 point better player.

Hately is probably better placed to hit 70 but the moment he has a stinker Caldwell or someone else will be straight in. The other point is these blokes are on the bench so it's largely irrelevant what their averages are, it's whether or not they can make money, don't need to remind peple that it only takes a couple of good scores to get the price moving.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: tommy10 on March 15, 2019, 06:09:41 PM
Melb have added 23-year-old VFL player Jay Lockhart through the pre-season SSP.
He’s a “lock” if he plays  ;D
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoldDigger on March 15, 2019, 06:58:43 PM
Have seen a lot of teams with Constable at m8. I'm not convinced he even gets named, let alone his js. Who is he pushing out of the cats line up if they're also supposedly fitting Atkins and Clark in?
B: Jordan Clark, Mark Blicavs, Jack Henry
 HB: Mark O'Connor, Harry Taylor, Tom Stewart
 C: Mitch Duncan, Joel Selwood, Brandan Parfitt
 HF: Sam Menegola, Tom Hawkins, Luke Dahlhaus
 F: Gary Rohan, Esava Ratugolea, Gary Ablett
 Foll: Rhys Stanley, Patrick Dangerfield, Tim Kelly
 I/C: Lachie Henderson, Cameron Guthrie, Tom Atkins, Charlie Constable
 EMERG: Jake Kolodjashnij, Quinton Narkle, Zach Guthrie, Gryan Miers
NEW: Jordan Clark (draft), Luke Dahlhaus (Western Bulldogs), Gary Rohan (Sydney), Charlie Constable (second-year)
UNAVAILABLE: Jed Bews (groin), Nakia Cockatoo (adductor), Lachie Fogarty (hip), Scott Selwood (hamstring), Zac Smith (knee), Zach Tuohy (knee)
NOTES: The biggest headache centres around the choice of the final defender. Given the Cats play a seventh off the bench, Lachie Henderson just gets the nod over Jake Kolodjashnij who was managed in the final JLT Series match. Tom Stewart, Mark O'Connor and Jordan Clark – a lock for his debut – can play small to contend with the Pies' dynamic forward line. It proves how desperate the Cats are to see Zach Tuohy and Jed Bews back early in the season. Tom Atkins' impressive pre-season wins him a spot over Quinton Narkle who played 50 per cent game time in each pre-season game. Luke Dahlhaus and Gary Rohan will start in attack, while second-year midfielder Charlie Constable earns a debut. - Mitch Cleary
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoldDigger on March 15, 2019, 07:02:30 PM
... I seem to be an outsider, but given historically mid pricers are more likely to be keepers in the defence and forwards, I reckon running light the mids is a better structure. Also JS issues in the mids are less of an issue given you have 3 bench spots to cover a rookie getting dropped.
Spot on!
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: crowls on March 15, 2019, 07:04:21 PM
JS for atkins and constable look iffy to me  I have CC at m9 and atkins/clark at not in my team at the moment.   most likely I will replace hore or duursma with clark if he starts rd1.    Charlie with Hately/Caldwell option.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: dmac07 on March 15, 2019, 07:46:29 PM
... I seem to be an outsider, but given historically mid pricers are more likely to be keepers in the defence and forwards, I reckon running light the mids is a better structure. Also JS issues in the mids are less of an issue given you have 3 bench spots to cover a rookie getting dropped.
Spot on!

As a general rule I avoid mid price mids like the plague! Think I've had 1 in about 5 years. Any mid pricer to me, has to either be a keeper, or cheap enough to 150k cash.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 15, 2019, 11:48:26 PM
Just throwing this out there with the Atkins/Gibbons picks. Both are likely to be small forwards for the majority of the season. You're looking at guys that are going to put up a lot of clunkers in a row. Yes they are cheap, but when they put up that 45-50 average (like Pasons/Pickett/Garlett) and you have to sideways trade them to a better scoring rookie because they're so cheap it will sting.

I went and added all the relevant rookie priced players (Walsh and under) to an empty team last night. I think the guys you're looking for are the ones that will spend most of their time either behind the ball or in the midfield. Those picks can also flop (hello Lochie O'Brien), but it feels like you will have a higher success rate.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 15, 2019, 11:56:15 PM
which rookies have u got now matt
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 16, 2019, 01:06:42 AM
This list won't include the newbies that signed today. I expect most won't play anyway



Backs

Collins - Solid JS but speculative scoring in a Gold Coast team that could win a wooden spoon. Career average of 70 and the Dockers where pretty craphouse when he averaged 75ish in 2016. Probably a must start

Scrimshaw - Had an excellent quarter where he had 12 touches and a goal in one JLT. Was apparently a long way off at the Suns but he is the ideal Birchall replacement. Birchall was a gun. He averaged something crazy like 20 touches a game through his first few years of footy and an 80ish average. Wouldn't say he is a must, but he looks to be a decent pick and prefect fit in the Hawks system. If the job security is good he is worth the risk

Jordan Clark - Seems like he will get games and he was impressive in the JLT game I missed. Teammates are talking him up, however guys in their first year in the system tend to struggle with the pace of the game once it gets to the real stuff. I'd probably want him in that D6/D7 spot where you spot field him against the crap teams that are more his speed.

Duursma - Really struggled in JLT 1 to get involved against the Crows. Will probably play along the wing in chunks but it feels like he is probably the trap of the defensive rookies

McKay - Poor JS. May or may not line up R1 and likely to score really poorly. Hard pass

Watson - Haven't watched the Eagles JLT games so I can't make a call. Saw the mock team and they had him in (although I went back to the AFL site and it looks like I read it wrong). I doubt the JS is good anyway.

Burgess - Should have good JS but the GC forward line is the AFL equivalent of the Factory of Sadness. I'm expecting a mostly trash return with 1 or 2 decent scores.



Mids

Walsh - Lock and load. He is my first picked rookie of the bunch. I mentioned the fact first year guys tend to get caught out by the speed of the game when they get up to AFL level. What impressed me the most with Walsh is that he picked it up after about 5-10 minutes of game time and settled right in.

LDU - Hard one to read. His form last year was that of a first year player that struggled to adjust to the pace and intensity of AFL football. As an inside player he also needs to gain the body strength to bang with the big boys and has guys like Cunnington in the same side. Seemed to be putting together a solid pre-season and Brad Scott has said he does want to ease him in. Probably a pass considering his price, but a 70 average wouldn't shock me.

Chayce Jones - Probably gets a gig round 1 but it feels like his role is not going to be very SC friendly. He won't have great job security with other Crows pushing for spots and he is going to be in mainly for his pressure. Best case scenario he has a Dan Butler type year for a 60 average and a hefty price tag.

Caldwell/Hately - I'll combine these two since you will only start one. I caught the GWS game where all the rookies struggled. Hatley killed it in the first game and Phil Davis said to give Caldwell a 10 year contract today he has looked that good. I'm getting Taranto vibes where I think they will probably get you a mid 60 at best come years end but they are probably going to start slow with the Giants tough early draw.

Constable - Probably my 2nd picked mid after Walsh. His DE is going to be a worry as well as his tank. He should see a bit of the footy and at his price he has to be locked. The fact it's not his first year in the system is another tick as you tend to get more points out of these guys.

Butters - Watched both Port games and he is a really handy player. He has a knack for finding the ball in the right spots and should snag a couple of goals. Probably the pick out of Caldwell/Hatley and himself and I'll pick him

Bailey Scott - Even though I watched both games North played (although the first was half assed and the second I spent more time watching Rocky go off) I didn't really notice him. Looks like he will line up round 1 but I have no idea what his role will be. Super cheap price and if he looks to be playing midfield he is probably a superior pick to Gibbons.

Tom Atkins - Will be the tackle pressure forward in the Geelong forward line. The same role they had for superstars such as James Parsons, Cory Gregson, Sparkle Narkle, Jamaine Jones and a long list of other SC spuds. Mature age is a tick but I'm not expecting much more than a 55 average. It has a bit of Nick Kommer vibe, although Kommer was 102k.

Gibbons - Cheapest mid, will play mostly forward pocket in a bad team and will rely on tackle and goal numbers in a team that hasn't kicked 100 points in 2 years and can't hold the ball in to save their lives. I'm surprised how good our midfield depth has been which has probably hurt him. David Cuningham has also been Carlton's best forward through pre-season. If he wasn't bargain basement I probably wouldn't consider him. In the midfield I'd probably only want one of him or Atkins in a perfect world



Rucks

Clarke - Decent score against us in JLT and probably the only guy to consider at R3 of the possible playing rookies

Fort - That whopping 0.30 PPM in JLT takes all kinds of special to do. Probably a pass.



Forwards

Setters - Pick of the bunch. Lock him and load him. Will play as a high half forward with stints through the guts.

Drew - Looked good and had lots of midfield minutes with no Wines. Probably has to be locked and at worst is a decent bench option

Balta - Sketchy JS but not competing with much for a forward bench spot. Probably lock him in

Parker - Hello 50 average. Again, not enough forward rookies and looks to have good JS so he gets my F8 spot

Petruccelle - Probably Parker with worse JS. Pass


Honourable mentions to James Cousins and Ridley. I have both at the moment but they are both more expensive than Walsh so they don't count for this exercise.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 16, 2019, 01:15:01 AM
which rookies have u got now matt

It depends how I structure up down back. Right now I have Ridley, Collins, Clark, Scrimshaw on field with Duursma and Burgess on the bench (Brodie Smith at D2). Smith will likely move to D3 and one of Duursma/Burgess is out. Ideal scenario I have Smith at D4 with Ridley/Collins at D5/D6 and sit Scrimshaw/Clark on the bench.

I am pretty much sold on Setters and Drew with Balta and Parker on the bench in the forward line. That probably won't change at all.

Midfield I have Cousins, Walsh, Butters and Constable locked with one of Constable/Butters on field at M8. Bench spots I am undecided on what to do. Probably too much cash to grab LDU/Hately/Caldwell, I'm not sure on Bailey Scott since I know F all about him and then it's Atkins/Gibbons. I feel you may not get a lot of cash generation starting both so I might have to go back and watch some games or try and figure out a way to get a mid premo in to my team.

Rucks I have Fort for cash right now but he is likely to become Clarke. If he gets named R1 that is probably a lock. I am still hesitant to go two premium rucks so I will keep looking at Pierce and Mummy for R2 (assuming Clarke gets named or I'm screwed for coverage.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 16, 2019, 01:28:24 AM
thanks matt

one you forgot was Hind tho interested to see ur thoughts on him
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 16, 2019, 02:09:56 AM
Hore, Hind and  Blakey were all left out. Hore is probably the only one I'd consider over Burgess, but it's probably a nay
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 16, 2019, 02:13:33 AM
Also Joyce and potentially Wilkie for the Saints as well
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: bkimm32 on March 16, 2019, 02:20:44 AM
Also Joyce and potentially Wilkie for the Saints as well
Wilkie won't be debuting any time soon imo
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkboy80 on March 16, 2019, 09:17:28 AM
Geelong: "He's got to the point where he'll be hard to push out (of the Round 1 team)" Chris Scott on Jordan Clark via @WhateleySEN

Sounding positive for Clark

Just what I wanted to hear - feel quite comfortable going light down back with Collins at D4 now
+1 for me, have given it a lot of thought and think I've made peace with myself now
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bones Bombers on March 16, 2019, 10:18:49 AM
which rookies have u got now matt

It depends how I structure up down back. Right now I have Ridley, Collins, Clark, Scrimshaw on field with Duursma and Burgess on the bench (Brodie Smith at D2). Smith will likely move to D3 and one of Duursma/Burgess is out. Ideal scenario I have Smith at D4 with Ridley/Collins at D5/D6 and sit Scrimshaw/Clark on the bench.

I am pretty much sold on Setters and Drew with Balta and Parker on the bench in the forward line. That probably won't change at all.

Midfield I have Cousins, Walsh, Butters and Constable locked with one of Constable/Butters on field at M8. Bench spots I am undecided on what to do. Probably too much cash to grab LDU/Hately/Caldwell, I'm not sure on Bailey Scott since I know F all about him and then it's Atkins/Gibbons. I feel you may not get a lot of cash generation starting both so I might have to go back and watch some games or try and figure out a way to get a mid premo in to my team.

Rucks I have Fort for cash right now but he is likely to become Clarke. If he gets named R1 that is probably a lock. I am still hesitant to go two premium rucks so I will keep looking at Pierce and Mummy for R2 (assuming Clarke gets named or I'm screwed for coverage.
Almost exactly the same rookie lineup for me.
In defense I have Ridley, Scrimshaw, Clark and Duursma. You had me looking again at Collins with a 70 average but need to remember he is likely to be playing a lockdown defender role with Thompson out for the season.
Mids are the same with Scott in over Gibbons at the moment.
Bines at R3 but could still become Clarke.
Same forwards.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: JBs-Hawks on March 16, 2019, 10:29:35 AM
Is anyone looking at Cuming in defense?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: fanTCfool on March 16, 2019, 10:46:16 AM
Is anyone looking at Cuming in defense?

If named, definitely worth considering. My concern about Cumming would be he only really got a look in for JLT1 when Williams was spending bulk time off the ground with an injury. Likewise in JLT2, Cumming spent more time on ground, but Williams was out. Personally, I don't think he and Williams will be picked in the same side for Round 1, hoping to be wrong.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: LaHug on March 16, 2019, 11:50:11 AM
I want Burgess for DPP with Moore so which three would you pick of Collins, Scrimshaw, Clark, Duursma? Two on the field, one on the bench.

Or I can get Ridley if I go Ridley, Clark, Duursma, Burgess. Leaves me with no cash and miss Collins...
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 16, 2019, 11:53:26 AM
I want Burgess for DPP with Moore so which three would you pick of Collins, Scrimshaw, Clark, Duursma? Two on the field, one on the bench.

Or I can get Ridley if I go Ridley, Clark, Duursma, Burgess. Leaves me with no cash and miss Collins...

Most people are going to be forced to make a decision like this

At this point, I think we just have to wait for teams and then decide. Who knows, maybe one of them doesn't get picked, making the decision much easier

If they all get picked, and you're adamant on keeping Burgess then I think it's just a case of flipping a coin
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 16, 2019, 11:58:13 AM
Wilkie won't be debuting any time soon imo

Saints defense is looking thin right now. They might throw a couple to the wolves but I wouldn't be picking him anyway

Almost exactly the same rookie lineup for me.
In defense I have Ridley, Scrimshaw, Clark and Duursma. You had me looking again at Collins with a 70 average but need to remember he is likely to be playing a lockdown defender role with Thompson out for the season.
Mids are the same with Scott in over Gibbons at the moment.
Bines at R3 but could still become Clarke.
Same forwards.

They also got Hombsch although he can't take the bigger key forwards. The sample size isn't that big on Collins, but worst case you can use the correction trade to turn him into whichever of the defensive rookies stand out.

Is anyone looking at Cuming in defense?

Not sure how he will score and considering the price it's probably not worth starting him. He would be one to look at if you trade Collins out if he flops
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: enzedder on March 17, 2019, 06:06:29 AM
Is anyone looking at Cuming in defense?
He doesn’t get me that excited.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: TommyC on March 17, 2019, 08:03:11 AM
Is anyone looking at Cuming in defense?
He doesn’t get me that excited.
*Defense doesn't get me that excited  ::)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: enzedder on March 17, 2019, 08:04:13 AM
Settled on...
D- Collins, Clark, Scrimshaw, Duursma
M- Walsh, Butters, Constable, Scott, Atkins, Gibbons
R- Bines (wanted Clarke but have paid up on defensive rookies with better prospects)
F- Setterfield, Balta, Drew, Petruccelle

Left out Hore (questionable JS and lower PPM in JLT compared to Scrimshaw)...Parker (might have better JS over Petruccelle but that's questionable so Petruccelle gets the nod as he appears to have better/ quicker cash generation potential) and Burgess as although I will almost definitely start Moore the DPP isn't enough for me to want him. Last year I had Lachlan Keeffe and it was worth didly squat. Burgess looks like being a poor scorer in a bad team. If I need to swing Moore I'll make a call as trades allow it.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 17, 2019, 10:02:24 AM
Settled on...
D- Collins, Clark, Scrimshaw, Duursma
M- Walsh, Butters, Constable, Scott, Atkins, Gibbons
R- Bines (wanted Clarke but have paid up on defensive rookies with better prospects)
F- Setterfield, Balta, Drew, Petruccelle

Left out Hore (questionable JS and lower PPM in JLT compared to Scrimshaw)...Parker (might have better JS over Petruccelle but that's questionable so Petruccelle gets the nod as he appears to have better/ quicker cash generation potential) and Burgess as although I will almost definitely start Moore the DPP isn't enough for me to want him. Last year I had Lachlan Keeffe and it was worth didly squat. Burgess looks like being a poor scorer in a bad team. If I need to swing Moore I'll make a call as trades allow it.

Pretty much the exact same for me too. Only difference is I've gone with Burgess and am passing on Butters

Hopefully they all get named
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on March 17, 2019, 10:09:36 AM
Settled on...
D- Collins, Clark, Scrimshaw, Duursma
M- Walsh, Butters, Constable, Scott, Atkins, Gibbons
R- Bines (wanted Clarke but have paid up on defensive rookies with better prospects)
F- Setterfield, Balta, Drew, Petruccelle

Left out Hore (questionable JS and lower PPM in JLT compared to Scrimshaw)...Parker (might have better JS over Petruccelle but that's questionable so Petruccelle gets the nod as he appears to have better/ quicker cash generation potential) and Burgess as although I will almost definitely start Moore the DPP isn't enough for me to want him. Last year I had Lachlan Keeffe and it was worth didly squat. Burgess looks like being a poor scorer in a bad team. If I need to swing Moore I'll make a call as trades allow it.

Pretty much the exact same for me too. Only difference is I've gone with Burgess and am passing on Butters

Hopefully they all get named
Hore over Scrimshaw, Hately over Gibbons, Parker over Petruccelle, and have Burgess as well to swing with Moore. If I had the cash, would go Petruccelle over Parker.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 17, 2019, 11:07:56 AM
“Pre-season cult hero Noah Balta is unlikely to compete alongside Lynch and Jack Riewoldt up forward, meaning No.1 ruckman Toby Nankervis' deputy was unknown.”
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: SilverLion on March 17, 2019, 11:13:25 AM
Done this in previous years, seemed to be useful, thought I'd make a list of all the rookies with at a decent chance of playing rd. 1 for reference. (Walsh's price or cheaper, bolded the 124ks or less)

Will narrow the list to just confirmed players when the round 1 sides get named :)

If I'm forgetting anyone, or if anyone here is confirmed no chance lemme know and I'll amend it though.



Defence:

Keeffe 8) ($190,500)
(FWD) Rozee ($189,300)
Collins ($188,900)
Cumming ($173,700)
Scrimshaw ($149,800)
Clark ($144,300)
(MID) Duursma (130,800)
Wilkie ($124,900)
(FWD) Burgess ($123,900)
Jones ($123,900)
McKay ($123,900)
Joyce ($123,900)
Hore ($117,300)


Mids:

Walsh ($207,300)
Davies-Uniacke ($197,500)
B Smith ($180,300)
C Jones ($171,300)
Caldwell ($162,300)
Butters ($157,800)
Hately ($148,800)
Constable ($123,900)
Bewley ($117,300)
Hind ($117,300)
Hayes ($117,300)
Scott ($117,300)
Atkins ($112,900)
Gibbons ($102,400)

Rucks:

A Smith ($172,300)
Clarke ($142,600)
Fort ($117,300)

Forwards:

Lukosius ($202,800)
Polson 8) ($191,800)
Blakey ($166,800)
Lewis ($149,000)
(MID) Setterfield ($144,900)
(MID) Drew ($123,900)
Balta ($123,900)
Petrucelle ($123,900)
Parker ($117,300)
Updated
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on March 17, 2019, 12:47:44 PM
“Pre-season cult hero Noah Balta is unlikely to compete alongside Lynch and Jack Riewoldt up forward, meaning No.1 ruckman Toby Nankervis' deputy was unknown.”

Where is this from?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: batt on March 17, 2019, 12:52:05 PM
“Pre-season cult hero Noah Balta is unlikely to compete alongside Lynch and Jack Riewoldt up forward, meaning No.1 ruckman Toby Nankervis' deputy was unknown.”

Where is this from?
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-03-17/theres-no-doubt-about-that-dimma-on-lynch-in-the-ruck

Also:

"One of Balta or Callum Moore is set to partner Riewoldt in attack if Lynch fails to sufficiently recover in time for round one, Hardwick said."

Doesn't sound great
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: _wato on March 17, 2019, 12:59:18 PM
D- Collins, Clark, Scrimshaw, Duursma, Hore
M- Walsh, Butters, Constable, Scott, Gibbons
R- Bines
F- Setterfield, Drew, Petruccelle, Burgess/Parker but leaning towards Burgess.

That's who I think I'll go with.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: enzedder on March 17, 2019, 01:03:21 PM
Joyce is a strong chance to play R1 given the injuries of Carlisle and Clavarino, Brown's suspension and Roberton announcing he'll miss all of 2019.
However I wouldn't be rushing to put him in your team after his -3 effort from 72% gametime in R16 last year.
St.Kilda's defence will have the top forwards licking their lips this year. At least the Saints have tightened things up somewhat, with one of last season's wooden spooners' delisted guys, in Sam Rowe.
Rowe or Joyce will play I think.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: SilverLion on March 17, 2019, 01:18:06 PM
Joyce is a strong chance to play R1 given the injuries of Carlisle and Clavarino, Brown's suspension and Roberton announcing he'll miss all of 2019.
However I wouldn't be rushing to put him in your team after his -3 effort from 72% gametime in R16 last year.
St.Kilda's defence will have the top forwards licking their lips this year. At least the Saints have tightened things up somewhat, with one of last season's wooden spooners' delisted guys, in Sam Rowe.
Rowe or Joyce will play I think.
Apologies in advance as this probably isn't the right section...

NZ as a Saints supporter can you provide some insight into the Saints' thinking with their backs?

In my mind Savage, Geary, Webster and NBrown will be 4 locked for them every week (personally, I think Brown is shower, but reckon they'll play him coz he's experienced).

The 2 remaining spots then would be open to:

Battle, Joyce, Wilkie, Coffield, Marsh, Rowe, Austin and Rice (maybe Clark too, but he can play mid as well?)

After hearing about Carlisle and now Roberton, I thought Austin and Battle would be the walk-up replacements for them, with probably Joyce covering for NBrown in round 1. However Austin didn't play in the JLT (recovering from Injury, but played in the VFL?) and with all the options available, is Battle certain to get named rd. 1?

What exactly does the Saints best available back 6 look like in 2019? Are Wilkie and Joyce ahead of Battle/Austin/Rowe etc.?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 17, 2019, 01:32:41 PM
Brown is the only KPD so they're going to need at least one, if not two more

Joyce, Rowe are KPD replacements

Austin and Marsh can play KPD but only as the third option when needed

Wilkie, Battle are rebounders like Savage and Webster

Rice is similar to Geary

That said, Joyce plays round 1 for sure replacing Brown, and when he comes back Round 2 you'd think 2 of Brown/Joyce/Rowe play as their key backs, Geary as the small and 3 of Savage, Webster, Marsh, Battle play

Rice and Austin depth

Just my take

Either way, I'm not touching any of them and just avoiding all together
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: enzedder on March 17, 2019, 06:04:28 PM
Joyce is a strong chance to play R1 given the injuries of Carlisle and Clavarino, Brown's suspension and Roberton announcing he'll miss all of 2019.
However I wouldn't be rushing to put him in your team after his -3 effort from 72% gametime in R16 last year.
St.Kilda's defence will have the top forwards licking their lips this year. At least the Saints have tightened things up somewhat, with one of last season's wooden spooners' delisted guys, in Sam Rowe.
Rowe or Joyce will play I think.
Apologies in advance as this probably isn't the right section...

NZ as a Saints supporter can you provide some insight into the Saints' thinking with their backs?

In my mind Savage, Geary, Webster and NBrown will be 4 locked for them every week (personally, I think Brown is shower, but reckon they'll play him coz he's experienced).

The 2 remaining spots then would be open to:

Battle, Joyce, Wilkie, Coffield, Marsh, Rowe, Austin and Rice (maybe Clark too, but he can play mid as well?)

After hearing about Carlisle and now Roberton, I thought Austin and Battle would be the walk-up replacements for them, with probably Joyce covering for NBrown in round 1. However Austin didn't play in the JLT (recovering from Injury, but played in the VFL?) and with all the options available, is Battle certain to get named rd. 1?

What exactly does the Saints best available back 6 look like in 2019? Are Wilkie and Joyce ahead of Battle/Austin/Rowe etc.?

It's a sad state of affairs.
Brown wouldn't get a game at the vast majority of clubs, yet he is vital given our list and injuries. He'll come straight back in after his suspension. Geary would be locked into the best 6 defenders, though there are unconfirmed rumours he has done his calf as well, so possibly he's out too. Roberton and Carlisle are two of our top 6 players regardless of positon.

Anyway, the best available back 6 in 2019 may be... Geary (if available), Brown (round 3 onwards), Savage, Webster and then it's a crapshoot. So you have as much idea as me. For me I'd pick Joyce, Coffield and Rice, though McKenzie and Newnes are able to play defensively as well as wing or midfield. It's muddy.

Joyce will be found out I think. He could be named R1 but I don't think he'll be the answer.

Austin should be able to hold the fort in one of the key positions, but the fact that we've grabbed Marsh and Rowe doesn't exactly scream that the club sees him as Mr.Fixit.

Marsh hasn't played since R23 2016 so he doesn't seem a best 6 defender. Back up. So maybe he plays. Horrifying!

Rowe at least played 17 games for last year's wooden spooners who conceded more points against than any other club. Not ideal...and he was delisted.

McCartin's concussion worries and the clouds of uncertainty that come with it may mean Battle may have to play forward.

Clavarino was tracking well and his recent injury has almost certainly cost him a R1 debut given what else has unfolded. He'll be given a crack when available but may have to wait till midway through the season.

RD's take is about on the money as it could be.
I'm not touching any of them either.

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: ben_020285 on March 18, 2019, 10:09:23 AM
He’s got a lot of work to do (Including conditioning) Alastair Clarkson on Jack Scrimshaw via Twitter.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on March 18, 2019, 10:12:19 AM
He’s got a lot of work to do (Including conditioning) Alastair Clarkson on Jack Scrimshaw via Twitter.
Never been in my side, wasnt confident he'd play rd1
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Nige on March 18, 2019, 10:27:15 AM
He’s got a lot of work to do (Including conditioning) Alastair Clarkson on Jack Scrimshaw via Twitter.
Never been in my side, wasnt confident he'd play rd1
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: TomK on March 18, 2019, 10:43:46 AM
He’s got a lot of work to do (Including conditioning) Alastair Clarkson on Jack Scrimshaw via Twitter.
Never been in my side, wasnt confident he'd play rd1
a 144k placeholder who won’t play is better than a 117k placeholder hore who won’t either ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on March 18, 2019, 10:46:15 AM
He’s got a lot of work to do (Including conditioning) Alastair Clarkson on Jack Scrimshaw via Twitter.
Never been in my side, wasnt confident he'd play rd1
a 144k placeholder who won’t play is better than a 117k placeholder hore who won’t either ;)
Stfu you filthy hore
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Nige on March 18, 2019, 10:46:24 AM
He’s got a lot of work to do (Including conditioning) Alastair Clarkson on Jack Scrimshaw via Twitter.
Never been in my side, wasnt confident he'd play rd1
a 144k placeholder who won’t play is better than a 117k placeholder hore who won’t either ;)
The difference got me Brad Crouch.  8)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Football Factory on March 18, 2019, 01:03:51 PM
Filthy Scrimshaw
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on March 18, 2019, 03:08:21 PM
So judging by Hardwicks words I wouldn't be going with Balta. Sounds like he's still very raw and has a lot to learn in relation to game plan etc. think I'll pass on him for now
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 18, 2019, 03:23:58 PM
So judging by Hardwicks words I wouldn't be going with Balta. Sounds like he's still very raw and has a lot to learn in relation to game plan etc. think I'll pass on him for now

Just saw this too

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-03-18/teenage-beast-the-closest-thing-to-rance-in-mix-for-tiger-debut

Even if he does debut, based off those comments zero chance I start him now
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: frenzy on March 18, 2019, 03:27:21 PM
So judging by Hardwicks words I wouldn't be going with Balta. Sounds like he's still very raw and has a lot to learn in relation to game plan etc. think I'll pass on him for now

atleast its a thursday game, unlike sunday rookies sitting on extended benches
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on March 18, 2019, 03:35:24 PM
So judging by Hardwicks words I wouldn't be going with Balta. Sounds like he's still very raw and has a lot to learn in relation to game plan etc. think I'll pass on him for now

Just saw this too

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-03-18/teenage-beast-the-closest-thing-to-rance-in-mix-for-tiger-debut

Even if he does debut, based off those comments zero chance I start him now

What do you think of Petrucelles JS?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 18, 2019, 03:37:07 PM
What do you think of Petrucelles JS?

I think it's pretty good tbh

Allen might get a game for us but that's if JJK misses

Petruccelle is taking the LeCras/Cripps role, and from all reports he's in the box seat to get a good crack at it

Very comfortable picking him for a bench spot - wouldn't want to field him every week
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on March 18, 2019, 03:38:26 PM
What do you think of Petrucelles JS?

I think it's pretty good tbh

Allen might get a game for us but that's if JJK misses

Petruccelle is taking the LeCras/Cripps role, and from all reports he's in the box seat to get a good crack at it

Very comfortable picking him for a bench spot - wouldn't want to field him every week

Sounds good! Easy replacement for Balta on my bench then
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on March 18, 2019, 03:38:42 PM
So judging by Hardwicks words I wouldn't be going with Balta. Sounds like he's still very raw and has a lot to learn in relation to game plan etc. think I'll pass on him for now

atleast its a thursday game, unlike sunday rookies sitting on extended benches
Not exactly, seeing as the issue would be more regarding him playing Rd2 if he's in for Lynch in Rd1.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: frenzy on March 18, 2019, 04:00:35 PM
So judging by Hardwicks words I wouldn't be going with Balta. Sounds like he's still very raw and has a lot to learn in relation to game plan etc. think I'll pass on him for now

atleast its a thursday game, unlike sunday rookies sitting on extended benches
Not exactly, seeing as the issue would be more regarding him playing Rd2 if he's in for Lynch in Rd1.

yeahbut, lol rookies named and not making the final cut will suck. So I'll do a RD and say even if he's named, I won't pick him and just pick him up on the bubble. He could do a Higgins, not dropped since debut
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 18, 2019, 04:09:49 PM
ppl starting 2 or 3 defender rookies on field are crazy have seen some teams with this

u want Collins at d5 imo
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: HoleMeal on March 18, 2019, 04:20:35 PM
It would not surprise me at all to see Marsh named for the saints. Hasn't played at the top level since 2016 BUT has been playing a decent grade of footy.
In the month of June, the year he was drafted by the Pies, I remember reading an article he would go in the top 15 kids in the nation.
When he was at the Pies I liked the little I saw in him but he never really got a good go at it.
Hope he grabs this second chance he has been given.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 18, 2019, 04:24:43 PM
It would not surprise me at all to see Marsh named for the saints. Hasn't played at the top level since 2016 BUT has been playing a decent grade of footy.
In the month of June, the year he was drafted by the Pies, I remember reading an article he would go in the top 15 kids in the nation.
When he was at the Pies I liked the little I saw in him but he never really got a good go at it.
Hope he grabs this second chance he has been given.

pass, Brown is back round 2
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 18, 2019, 04:48:49 PM
It would not surprise me at all to see Marsh named for the saints. Hasn't played at the top level since 2016 BUT has been playing a decent grade of footy.
In the month of June, the year he was drafted by the Pies, I remember reading an article he would go in the top 15 kids in the nation.
When he was at the Pies I liked the little I saw in him but he never really got a good go at it.
Hope he grabs this second chance he has been given.

pass, Brown is back round 2

Two completely different players. Brown returning shouldn't impact Marsh at all
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: frenzy on March 18, 2019, 04:49:30 PM
ppl starting 2 or 3 defender rookies on field are crazy have seen some teams with this

u want Collins at d5 imo

 Collins at d7 for me today, chucking Scrimshaw on the scrapheap
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoldDigger on March 18, 2019, 04:57:54 PM
ppl starting 2 or 3 defender rookies on field are crazy have seen some teams with this

u want Collins at d5 imo
If Collins is at D5, isn't there a second rookie at D6?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 18, 2019, 05:03:50 PM
ppl starting 2 or 3 defender rookies on field are crazy have seen some teams with this

u want Collins at d5 imo
If Collins is at D5, isn't there a second rookie at D6?

most dont consider Collins a rookie
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: imjusflexin on March 18, 2019, 05:07:38 PM
I'd rather play an extra rookie on field than a trap like Brodie Smith or Ridley or something..
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoldDigger on March 18, 2019, 05:09:57 PM
... most dont consider Collins a rookie
Well stone the crows and pull my beard and call me Honey!
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Money Shot on March 18, 2019, 05:17:43 PM
ppl starting 2 or 3 defender rookies on field are crazy have seen some teams with this

u want Collins at d5 imo
Scrimshaw, Clark, Duursma (Burgess (DPP w/ Moore), Hore)

I’m pretty content on this set up.

All seem to have relatively good job security.

Scrimshaw is a bit concerning with what Clarko said today but I think he’s a decent chance.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: batt on March 18, 2019, 05:34:01 PM
I'd rather play an extra rookie on field than a trap like Brodie Smith or Ridley or something..
^^

Not saying they will be traps... but the prospect of a trap.

Scrimshaw, Clark, Duursma (Burgess (DPP w/ Moore), Hore)

I’m pretty content on this set up.

All seem to have relatively good job security.

Scrimshaw is a bit concerning with what Clarko said today but I think he’s a decent chance.
^^

But Collins for Scrimshaw pending teams
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoldDigger on March 18, 2019, 05:38:13 PM
... most dont consider Collins a rookie
Well stone the crows and pull my beard and call me Honey!
I see that he's a "mature aged state-league concession" ...wtf?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 18, 2019, 05:40:28 PM
b smith probably averages 40 more then most defender rookies who generally average 40-50 good luck find8ing better use for that 150-200k
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoldDigger on March 18, 2019, 05:57:26 PM
b smith probably averages 40 more then most defender rookies who generally average 40-50 good luck find8ing better use for that 150-200k
... but surely very few would put such a low scoring rookie on field?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 18, 2019, 06:02:44 PM
b smith probably averages 40 more then most defender rookies who generally average 40-50 good luck find8ing better use for that 150-200k
... but surely very few would put such a low scoring rookie on field?

even clark or duur will score below 50 often they will be onfield in many teams
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: TomK on March 18, 2019, 06:07:22 PM
ppl starting 2 or 3 defender rookies on field are crazy have seen some teams with this

u want Collins at d5 imo
Scrimshaw, Clark, Duursma (Burgess (DPP w/ Moore), Hore)

I’m pretty content on this set up.

All seem to have relatively good job security.

Scrimshaw is a bit concerning with what Clarko said today but I think he’s a decent chance.
lol

How can Scrimshaw have good job security after Clarko's comments today? And Hore doesn't have good JS whatsoever.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: imjusflexin on March 18, 2019, 06:21:47 PM
b smith probably averages 40 more then most defender rookies who generally average 40-50 good luck find8ing better use for that 150-200k
... but surely very few would put such a low scoring rookie on field?

even clark or duur will score below 50 often they will be onfield in many teams
May I ask your FWD setup? if you have Grundy & Gawn? How many premo mids you have? Sure ideally we'd all like less DEF rookies on field but it's not like the other positions have great rookie options jumping out to be picked and there's only so much $$ to go around.

EDIT: Just had a go at turning Hore into Smith.. had to downgrade Fyfe & Conigs to M. Crouch & Steele... don't like it.

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 18, 2019, 06:30:59 PM
b smith probably averages 40 more then most defender rookies who generally average 40-50 good luck find8ing better use for that 150-200k
... but surely very few would put such a low scoring rookie on field?

even clark or duur will score below 50 often they will be onfield in many teams
May I ask your FWD setup? if you have Grundy & Gawn? How many premo mids you have? Sure ideally we'd all like less DEF rookies on field but it's not like the other positions have great rookie options jumping out to be picked and there's only so much $$ to go around.

EDIT: Just had a go at turning Hore into Smith.. had to downgrade Fyfe & Conigs to M. Crouch & Steele... don't like it.

i have Libba at M5 and Moore at F4, i think Libba/B Crouch at m6 then Walsh at M7 is crazy to

rather field 3 mid rookies including Walsh then 2 or 3 defender rookies
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: imjusflexin on March 18, 2019, 06:43:53 PM
b smith probably averages 40 more then most defender rookies who generally average 40-50 good luck find8ing better use for that 150-200k
... but surely very few would put such a low scoring rookie on field?

even clark or duur will score below 50 often they will be onfield in many teams
May I ask your FWD setup? if you have Grundy & Gawn? How many premo mids you have? Sure ideally we'd all like less DEF rookies on field but it's not like the other positions have great rookie options jumping out to be picked and there's only so much $$ to go around.

EDIT: Just had a go at turning Hore into Smith.. had to downgrade Fyfe & Conigs to M. Crouch & Steele... don't like it.

i have Libba at M5 and Moore at F4, i think Libba/B Crouch at m6 then Walsh at M7 is crazy to

rather field 3 mid rookies including Walsh then 2 or 3 defender rookies
I guess it's as simple as I'd rather have Coniglio than Libba at M5. Even if it means a rookie instead of B. Smith.

In the end, these are the same debates everyone's having with themselves... which if any mid-pricers, how many rookies on each line etc.

Let's just get to flowerin thursday already aye
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 18, 2019, 06:53:52 PM
ppl starting 2 or 3 defender rookies on field are crazy have seen some teams with this

u want Collins at d5 imo
Scrimshaw, Clark, Duursma (Burgess (DPP w/ Moore), Hore)

I’m pretty content on this set up.

All seem to have relatively good job security.

Scrimshaw is a bit concerning with what Clarko said today but I think he’s a decent chance.
lol

How can Scrimshaw have good job security after Clarko's comments today? And Hore doesn't have good JS whatsoever.

+1

Scrimshaw/Hore both seem to be very dicey selections. I'd have 1 at most in the side for now - need a backup plan to bring in Collins/Marsh just in case

I'm not touching Hore - absolute trap I reckon. Of course I could be wrong, but if he has 2 good rounds then I'll bring him in, but I don't think that's going to happen
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Fid on March 18, 2019, 07:20:12 PM
ppl starting 2 or 3 defender rookies on field are crazy have seen some teams with this

u want Collins at d5 imo
Scrimshaw, Clark, Duursma (Burgess (DPP w/ Moore), Hore)

I’m pretty content on this set up.

All seem to have relatively good job security.

Scrimshaw is a bit concerning with what Clarko said today but I think he’s a decent chance.
lol

How can Scrimshaw have good job security after Clarko's comments today? And Hore doesn't have good JS whatsoever.

+1

Scrimshaw/Hore both seem to be very dicey selections. I'd have 1 at most in the side for now - need a backup plan to bring in Collins/Marsh just in case

I'm not touching Hore - absolute trap I reckon. Of course I could be wrong, but if he has 2 good rounds then I'll bring him in, but I don't think that's going to happen

I don't like scrimshaw or hore either, if Ben McKay gets a gig, I'll be jumping on.  I don't think he did too badly in the JLT series
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 18, 2019, 07:22:34 PM
b smith probably averages 40 more then most defender rookies who generally average 40-50 good luck find8ing better use for that 150-200k
... but surely very few would put such a low scoring rookie on field?

even clark or duur will score below 50 often they will be onfield in many teams
May I ask your FWD setup? if you have Grundy & Gawn? How many premo mids you have? Sure ideally we'd all like less DEF rookies on field but it's not like the other positions have great rookie options jumping out to be picked and there's only so much $$ to go around.

EDIT: Just had a go at turning Hore into Smith.. had to downgrade Fyfe & Conigs to M. Crouch & Steele... don't like it.

i have Libba at M5 and Moore at F4, i think Libba/B Crouch at m6 then Walsh at M7 is crazy to

rather field 3 mid rookies including Walsh then 2 or 3 defender rookies


Don’t think we have enough mid rookies myself
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Football Factory on March 18, 2019, 07:30:09 PM
What about  Darragh Joyce?  any thoughts?  spud?

Spose Brown takes his spot when back from suspension if named?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: batt on March 18, 2019, 07:48:30 PM
What about  Darragh Joyce?  any thoughts?  spud?

Spose Brown takes his spot when back from suspension if named?
Page 44 :)

Really not sold on Duursma.  Just scared how slender he is.  He's what I think of when I think "trap".  And of course I'll probably end up starting him.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: sammy123 on March 18, 2019, 08:06:10 PM
What about  Darragh Joyce?  any thoughts?  spud?

Spose Brown takes his spot when back from suspension if named?
Page 44 :)

Really not sold on Duursma.  Just scared how slender he is.  He's what I think of when I think "trap".  And of course I'll probably end up starting him.

Dont feel bad i think most people will start with him
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Football Factory on March 18, 2019, 08:06:39 PM
What about  Darragh Joyce?  any thoughts?  spud?

Spose Brown takes his spot when back from suspension if named?
Page 44 :)

Really not sold on Duursma.  Just scared how slender he is.  He's what I think of when I think "trap".  And of course I'll probably end up starting him.

Ahh cheers, yeah not exactly glowing reports  ;D
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: sammy123 on March 18, 2019, 08:07:22 PM
ppl starting 2 or 3 defender rookies on field are crazy have seen some teams with this

u want Collins at d5 imo
Scrimshaw, Clark, Duursma (Burgess (DPP w/ Moore), Hore)

I’m pretty content on this set up.

All seem to have relatively good job security.

Scrimshaw is a bit concerning with what Clarko said today but I think he’s a decent chance.
lol

How can Scrimshaw have good job security after Clarko's comments today? And Hore doesn't have good JS whatsoever.

+1

Scrimshaw/Hore both seem to be very dicey selections. I'd have 1 at most in the side for now - need a backup plan to bring in Collins/Marsh just in case

I'm not touching Hore - absolute trap I reckon. Of course I could be wrong, but if he has 2 good rounds then I'll bring him in, but I don't think that's going to happen

I don't like scrimshaw or hore either, if Ben McKay gets a gig, I'll be jumping on.  I don't think he did too badly in the JLT series

Mckay will play i reckon. His scoring might not b that great. With tarrant out i think he plays
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: _wato on March 18, 2019, 08:38:48 PM
It comes down to Hore or Frost out for May come Round 2 imo, Hore is much more athletic and May and Frost are much more like for like. Hore is basically playing Lever's role I'd think and offers more than Frost but that's just me. Guess you could say his JS is questionable.

As for Scrimshaw I think there's a spot for him Rd 1. Whether he stays in the team for a period of any longevity is another question which poses the $$ generation question. Clarko will be happy to swap and switch guys around to fill roles.

Duursma is a lock. 9 touches, 4 marks and a goal in JLT 1, turned that into 24 touches, 11 marks in the second JLT. Will get plenty of opportunity in a Port team looking for pace and guys that can break the lines. 

Also hearing Tarrant is very close to playing Rd 1. Plus Scotty Thompson to come back Round 2, you'd be crazy to select McKay.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: jfitty on March 18, 2019, 08:53:00 PM
Where are we rating Burgess amongst all these options?

Thinking a slow burn, but JS would be pretty solid? Also (for me) can link with Moore

Trying to work out the bench between Duursma, Hore and Burgess..
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 18, 2019, 08:53:05 PM
It comes down to Hore or Frost out for May come Round 2 imo, Hore is much more athletic and May and Frost are much more like for like. Hore is basically playing Lever's role I'd think and offers more than Frost but that's just me. Guess you could say his JS is questionable.

As for Scrimshaw I think there's a spot for him Rd 1. Whether he stays in the team for a period of any longevity is another question which poses the $$ generation question. Clarko will be happy to swap and switch guys around to fill roles.

Duursma is a lock. 9 touches, 4 marks and a goal in JLT 1, turned that into 24 touches, 11 marks in the second JLT. Will get plenty of opportunity in a Port team looking for pace and guys that can break the lines.

Did you see the previous page with what Clarkson said about Scrimshaw?

Hore is a fair chance to get named, but whether his holds a spot - that's the tricky part. Might be best to watch and see, then grab him on the bubble if he warrants it
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 18, 2019, 08:56:43 PM
Numerous outlets have this as the Dees R1 side

B: Michael Hibberd, Sam Frost, Marty Hore

HB: Jordan Lewis, Oscar McDonald, Neville Jetta

Can any Melbourne supporters argue why this won't be the case?

Is Hore actually a better chance to hold a spot than first thought? FWIW I've assumed he won't play simply because several Melb supporters have said that, but now I'm questioning them
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: _wato on March 18, 2019, 09:00:37 PM
Numerous outlets have this as the Dees R1 side

B: Michael Hibberd, Sam Frost, Marty Hore

HB: Jordan Lewis, Oscar McDonald, Neville Jetta

Can any Melbourne supporters argue why this won't be the case?

Is Hore actually a better chance to hold a spot than first thought? FWIW I've assumed he won't play simply because several Melb supporters have said that, but now I'm questioning them

I've already said, Frost is the guy who is more like for like for May to come back. If Hore does enough come Round 1 I think he offers more to the Dees than playing Frost who is 194cm. Hore stands at 189cm and is much more athletic.

O McDonald already stands at 196cm and May at 193cm. Add in TMac, Weidemann, Gawny and possibly Preuss I don't think they can take in THAT many guys.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: jfitty on March 18, 2019, 09:01:33 PM
Numerous outlets have this as the Dees R1 side

B: Michael Hibberd, Sam Frost, Marty Hore

HB: Jordan Lewis, Oscar McDonald, Neville Jetta

Can any Melbourne supporters argue why this won't be the case?

Is Hore actually a better chance to hold a spot than first thought? FWIW I've assumed he won't play simply because several Melb supporters have said that, but now I'm questioning them

I've seen him named on the wing as well.

Steven May has to come back in round 2, but is anyone else around the corner?

My personal feeling is that Hore has taken Vince's spot, with May to come back in and take Lever's spot (or Frost gets the chop). Could be totally wrong though..
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 18, 2019, 09:03:00 PM
Numerous outlets have this as the Dees R1 side

B: Michael Hibberd, Sam Frost, Marty Hore

HB: Jordan Lewis, Oscar McDonald, Neville Jetta

Can any Melbourne supporters argue why this won't be the case?

Is Hore actually a better chance to hold a spot than first thought? FWIW I've assumed he won't play simply because several Melb supporters have said that, but now I'm questioning them

I've already said, Frost is the guy who is more like for like for May to come back. If Hore does enough come Round 1 I think he offers more to the Dees than playing Frost who is 194cm. Hore stands at 189cm and is much more athletic.

O McDonald already stands at 196cm and May at 193cm. Add in TMac, Weidemann, Gawny and possibly Preuss I don't think they can take in THAT many guys.

Yeah I'm not asking about Frost - May takes his spot

Who is a threat to Hore? Frost isn't. Lever is out for a while, so other than possibly Jayden Hunt and Joel Smith, is anyone threatening Hore? Or is he actually a better pick than what Dees supporters seem to think?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: _wato on March 18, 2019, 09:07:25 PM
Hunt and Smith were both trialled as forwards in JLT, think they'll be looking for spots up the other end of the ground personally.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: _wato on March 18, 2019, 09:10:32 PM
As for Scrimshaw I'm of the same view as what was written on the AFL website today.

'Ex-Sun Jack Scrimshaw is the most likely debutant for Hawthorn's opening game of the season against the Crows. He's had an excellent summer and gathered 12 touches against the Tigers in the first term of their JLT clash. He still has work to do in terms of conditioning but has shown enough to earn an early call-up'

the lad stands at 193cm and 90kg's. Can put him on the back flank, wing, wherever. A lot of rookies need more work and extra conditioning but everybody knows that. Just don't know how secure his spot is. Hawks have quite an injury list in terms of their A grade talent.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: AaronKirk on March 18, 2019, 09:51:20 PM
As for Scrimshaw I'm of the same view as what was written on the AFL website today.

'Ex-Sun Jack Scrimshaw is the most likely debutant for Hawthorn's opening game of the season against the Crows. He's had an excellent summer and gathered 12 touches against the Tigers in the first term of their JLT clash. He still has work to do in terms of conditioning but has shown enough to earn an early call-up'

the lad stands at 193cm and 90kg's. Can put him on the back flank, wing, wherever. A lot of rookies need more work and extra conditioning but everybody knows that. Just don't know how secure his spot is. Hawks have quite an injury list in terms of their A grade talent.

Not the worst placeholder to have though in defense until teams are names. I suspect he plays as well but If worse comes to worse and he isn't named it's an easy fix if other cheap options are named.  I don't have Duursma in my current side so that for example could be a simple swap to make.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Money Shot on March 18, 2019, 09:56:21 PM
ppl starting 2 or 3 defender rookies on field are crazy have seen some teams with this

u want Collins at d5 imo
Scrimshaw, Clark, Duursma (Burgess (DPP w/ Moore), Hore)

I’m pretty content on this set up.

All seem to have relatively good job security.

Scrimshaw is a bit concerning with what Clarko said today but I think he’s a decent chance.
lol

How can Scrimshaw have good job security after Clarko's comments today? And Hore doesn't have good JS whatsoever.

+1

Scrimshaw/Hore both seem to be very dicey selections. I'd have 1 at most in the side for now - need a backup plan to bring in Collins/Marsh just in case

I'm not touching Hore - absolute trap I reckon. Of course I could be wrong, but if he has 2 good rounds then I'll bring him in, but I don't think that's going to happen

I don't like scrimshaw or hore either, if Ben McKay gets a gig, I'll be jumping on.  I don't think he did too badly in the JLT series

Mckay will play i reckon. His scoring might not b that great. With tarrant out i think he plays

@Tomk I stand by my comments about Scrimshaw and Hore.

I reckon Lever is the only one who could take Hore’s spot but he is a while away and at 117k if he scores 60 or so most weeks which doesn’t seem unrealistic he will be a great bench option and make some decent cash before he is dropped.

As I said Scrimshaw the most concerning of the lot but I still reckon he plays round 1. If he plays well he holds his spot but if he doesn’t I’m sure there’s plenty of other blokes who could come in.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Big Mac on March 18, 2019, 11:42:22 PM
Numerous outlets have this as the Dees R1 side

B: Michael Hibberd, Sam Frost, Marty Hore

HB: Jordan Lewis, Oscar McDonald, Neville Jetta

Can any Melbourne supporters argue why this won't be the case?

Is Hore actually a better chance to hold a spot than first thought? FWIW I've assumed he won't play simply because several Melb supporters have said that, but now I'm questioning them

I've already said, Frost is the guy who is more like for like for May to come back. If Hore does enough come Round 1 I think he offers more to the Dees than playing Frost who is 194cm. Hore stands at 189cm and is much more athletic.

O McDonald already stands at 196cm and May at 193cm. Add in TMac, Weidemann, Gawny and possibly Preuss I don't think they can take in THAT many guys.

Yeah I'm not asking about Frost - May takes his spot

Who is a threat to Hore? Frost isn't. Lever is out for a while, so other than possibly Jayden Hunt and Joel Smith, is anyone threatening Hore? Or is he actually a better pick than what Dees supporters seem to think?

I think a lot of us rated Smith and the coaches seemed to like him, but now that he's moved forward a spot has opened up. There is no genuine replacement so it looks like Hore may get first crack, but he hasn't exactly set the world on fire in JLT. If he doesn't play well i'd expect Hibberd to play a little taller with someone like Fritsch potentially rotating, and wait until Kolodjashnij (191cm) is ready who is 3 weeks away. Could also keep persisting with Hunt.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on March 19, 2019, 12:11:32 AM
Numerous outlets have this as the Dees R1 side

B: Michael Hibberd, Sam Frost, Marty Hore

HB: Jordan Lewis, Oscar McDonald, Neville Jetta

Can any Melbourne supporters argue why this won't be the case?

Is Hore actually a better chance to hold a spot than first thought? FWIW I've assumed he won't play simply because several Melb supporters have said that, but now I'm questioning them

I've already said, Frost is the guy who is more like for like for May to come back. If Hore does enough come Round 1 I think he offers more to the Dees than playing Frost who is 194cm. Hore stands at 189cm and is much more athletic.

O McDonald already stands at 196cm and May at 193cm. Add in TMac, Weidemann, Gawny and possibly Preuss I don't think they can take in THAT many guys.

Yeah I'm not asking about Frost - May takes his spot

Who is a threat to Hore? Frost isn't. Lever is out for a while, so other than possibly Jayden Hunt and Joel Smith, is anyone threatening Hore? Or is he actually a better pick than what Dees supporters seem to think?

I think a lot of us rated Smith and the coaches seemed to like him, but now that he's moved forward a spot has opened up. There is no genuine replacement so it looks like Hore may get first crack, but he hasn't exactly set the world on fire in JLT. If he doesn't play well i'd expect Hibberd to play a little taller with someone like Fritsch potentially rotating, and wait until Kolodjashnij (191cm) is ready who is 3 weeks away. Could also keep persisting with Hunt.

What actually caused the fallout with hunt anyway? I thought he was a gun a couple of years ago and has blistering pace off half back
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: ben_020285 on March 19, 2019, 12:19:51 AM
Dees supporter here.

My opinion is that Hore is in for Lever. Frost will be in for May for round 1.

Obviously if Hore stinks it up for weeks on end then he’s back to the VFL but otherwise his JS looks solid until Lever is back mid-season.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 19, 2019, 07:52:22 AM
Thanks guys

That's what I've thought too, so I think I can actually put Hore in my side now

Certainly looks like he should be fine for a bench option, because like Ben says as long as he doesn't completely shower the bed he probably should be able to string a few games together
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: SilverLion on March 19, 2019, 07:58:26 AM
Kolodjashnij should also come in at some stage I would've thought.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 19, 2019, 07:59:59 AM
Kolodjashnij should also come in at some stage I would've thought.

Mac just said he is 3 weeks away

I'm sure he'll come back through the VFL anyway
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: ben_020285 on March 19, 2019, 09:05:02 AM
Kolodjashnij should also come in at some stage I would've thought.

KK on a wing will have no impact on Hore’s place in the team.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: jfitty on March 19, 2019, 09:07:43 AM
Kolodjashnij should also come in at some stage I would've thought.

KK on a wing will have no impact on Hore’s place in the team.

You'd think they'd be cautious with him anyway, by the time he's in the senior team Hore will be ready to downgrade.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 19, 2019, 10:18:15 AM
Whose everyone starting at M8 this week? Butters, Con or Scott? I think i'm gonna go Scott.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: LaHug on March 19, 2019, 10:20:49 AM
Who's everyone starting at M8 this week? Butters, Con or Scott? I think i'm gonna go Scott.

Assuming Walsh is M7, yeah? I've got Butters at the moment but will likely change about 10 times...
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 19, 2019, 10:25:57 AM
Who's everyone starting at M8 this week? Butters, Con or Scott? I think i'm gonna go Scott.

Assuming Walsh is M7, yeah? I've got Butters at the moment but will likely change about 10 times...

Yeah of course. I feel like Butters is your guy that costs 40k more so you feel inclined to start R1 cause you've paid up but ends up scoring less.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: LaHug on March 19, 2019, 11:18:02 AM
Who's everyone starting at M8 this week? Butters, Con or Scott? I think i'm gonna go Scott.

Assuming Walsh is M7, yeah? I've got Butters at the moment but will likely change about 10 times...

Yeah of course. I feel like Butters is your guy that costs 40k more so you feel inclined to start R1 cause you've paid up but ends up scoring less.

You're probably right. Might even be a matchup thing for starters. You'd usually pick the rookie against GC, Carlton, or St Kilda but not against whoever ends up being the stingy teams this year. North has a friendlier matchup than Geelong and Port do.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: frenzy on March 19, 2019, 11:28:00 AM
Who's everyone starting at M8 this week? Butters, Con or Scott? I think i'm gonna go Scott.

Assuming Walsh is M7, yeah? I've got Butters at the moment but will likely change about 10 times...

Yeah of course. I feel like Butters is your guy that costs 40k more so you feel inclined to start R1 cause you've paid up but ends up scoring less.

the Butters that went 91 and 82 in the JLT,  :o not good enough to start?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 19, 2019, 11:34:21 AM
Who's everyone starting at M8 this week? Butters, Con or Scott? I think i'm gonna go Scott.

Assuming Walsh is M7, yeah? I've got Butters at the moment but will likely change about 10 times...

Yeah of course. I feel like Butters is your guy that costs 40k more so you feel inclined to start R1 cause you've paid up but ends up scoring less.

the Butters that went 91 and 82 in the JLT,  :o not good enough to start?

Lets be real, he aint kicking 3 goals against Melb in Melb as a small forward. Scott also scored 89 SC in far less TOG that same game ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Money Shot on March 19, 2019, 11:48:18 AM
Constable, Scott, Atkins and Gibbons are my M8-M11 (not interested in Butters)

I think I’ll be starting Scott.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 19, 2019, 11:56:05 AM
Constable, Scott, Atkins and Gibbons are my M8-M11 (not interested in Butters)

I think I’ll be starting Scott

+1 same 4 for me and not interested in Butters either

Constable/Scott for M8 - leaning towards Constable first up

That said, if I need to restructure due to unexpected outs, then I might have to push Walsh back to M6 and field both of them at 7 and 8
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 19, 2019, 11:59:34 AM
Has Scott been confirmed has he? A lot of people assuming they will be starting him here
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 19, 2019, 12:06:30 PM
Constable, Scott, Atkins and Gibbons are my M8-M11 (not interested in Butters)

I think I’ll be starting Scott

+1 same 4 for me and not interested in Butters either

Constable/Scott for M8 - leaning towards Constable first up

That said, if I need to restructure due to unexpected outs, then I might have to push Walsh back to M6 and field both of them at 7 and 8

Butters has far better JS than Constable/Atkins/Scott. When you say "you're not interested" is it cause you dont have an extra 40k left over right now? Would be pretty stupid to say you're not interested if you had the cash.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 19, 2019, 12:39:15 PM
Constable, Scott, Atkins and Gibbons are my M8-M11 (not interested in Butters)

I think I’ll be starting Scott

+1 same 4 for me and not interested in Butters either

Constable/Scott for M8 - leaning towards Constable first up

That said, if I need to restructure due to unexpected outs, then I might have to push Walsh back to M6 and field both of them at 7 and 8

Butters has far better JS than Constable/Atkins/Scott. When you say "you're not interested" is it cause you dont have an extra 40k left over right now? Would be pretty stupid to say you're not interested if you had the cash.

They're all just cash cows to me - I get a higher ROI on the cheaper guys, and I think most of them will match or score better than Butters

I think they all have similar JS. Butters might have better, but the others I feel should still be good enough for what I need
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Holz on March 19, 2019, 12:46:20 PM
I think if Hately is named you got to go him. Big bodied and i reckon is ready for afl, should be able to hold up better then Butters the only issue is GWS v Port.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 19, 2019, 12:52:59 PM
I think if Hately is named you got to go him. Big bodied and i reckon is ready for afl, should be able to hold up better then Butters the only issue is GWS v Port.

And this too

I might need to drop a mid prem and bring in another rookie

If that's the case, it's Hately - Caldwell - Butters for me, in terms of those pricer options (Assuming GWS are full strength and 1 of them still gets named)

Don't hate the Butters pick, but just not one I am personally interested in
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Nige on March 19, 2019, 01:16:55 PM
Hinkley confirmed that Drew, Butters, Rozee and Duursma and debuting Round 1.
Imagine if someone said this weeks ago.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Rusty00 on March 19, 2019, 01:20:34 PM
Hinkley confirmed that Drew, Butters, Rozee and Duursma and debuting Round 1.
Imagine if someone said this weeks ago.
They would have been rubbished and booed out of the forums ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Money Shot on March 19, 2019, 01:37:00 PM
Constable, Scott, Atkins and Gibbons are my M8-M11 (not interested in Butters)

I think I’ll be starting Scott

+1 same 4 for me and not interested in Butters either

Constable/Scott for M8 - leaning towards Constable first up

That said, if I need to restructure due to unexpected outs, then I might have to push Walsh back to M6 and field both of them at 7 and 8

Butters has far better JS than Constable/Atkins/Scott. When you say "you're not interested" is it cause you dont have an extra 40k left over right now? Would be pretty stupid to say you're not interested if you had the cash.

They're all just cash cows to me - I get a higher ROI on the cheaper guys, and I think most of them will match or score better than Butters

I think they all have similar JS. Butters might have better, but the others I feel should still be good enough for what I need

I think Constable and Scott are going to score higher than him. Atkins and Gibbons are heaps cheaper and have better JS in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: frenzy on March 19, 2019, 01:41:35 PM
Who's everyone starting at M8 this week? Butters, Con or Scott? I think i'm gonna go Scott.

Assuming Walsh is M7, yeah? I've got Butters at the moment but will likely change about 10 times...

Yeah of course. I feel like Butters is your guy that costs 40k more so you feel inclined to start R1 cause you've paid up but ends up scoring less.

the Butters that went 91 and 82 in the JLT,  :o not good enough to start?

Lets be real, he aint kicking 3 goals against Melb in Melb as a small forward. Scott also scored 89 SC in far less TOG that same game ;)

I  was looking at the adelaide game ( no goals and quality opposition ) but 16% extra against NM could be looked at as far more time on the ground. I think it's more a case of price $
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 19, 2019, 01:48:28 PM
I think if Hately is named you got to go him. Big bodied and i reckon is ready for afl, should be able to hold up better then Butters the only issue is GWS v Port.

Did you watch the game? Or purely going off numbers.

Hop he plays for SuperCoach but personally he looked way off the speed of AFL level
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: TomK on March 19, 2019, 02:27:58 PM
I think Constable and Scott are going to score higher than him. Atkins and Gibbons are heaps cheaper and have better JS in my opinion.
Gibbons maybe, not Atkins though, still lots of competition for spots at the Cats.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Holz on March 19, 2019, 03:30:25 PM
I think if Hately is named you got to go him. Big bodied and i reckon is ready for afl, should be able to hold up better then Butters the only issue is GWS v Port.

Did you watch the game? Or purely going off numbers.

Hop he plays for SuperCoach but personally he looked way off the speed of AFL level

Its purely body type, absolutely nothing to do with JLT.

Butters 181cm 70kg
Hately 190cm 83kg

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 19, 2019, 03:35:16 PM
I think if Hately is named you got to go him. Big bodied and i reckon is ready for afl, should be able to hold up better then Butters the only issue is GWS v Port.

Did you watch the game? Or purely going off numbers.

Hop he plays for SuperCoach but personally he looked way off the speed of AFL level

Its purely body type, absolutely nothing to do with JLT.

Butters 181cm 70kg
Hately 190cm 83kg

Ok.
LDU was body type ready for the afl as well.

Still not up to speed with the afl

Butters is infinitely more ready for afl imo.

Also imo if any supercoacher is not starting butters they have a screw loose in the brain. I know you will be starting him. You are not that stupid haha
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Holz on March 19, 2019, 04:00:07 PM
I think if Hately is named you got to go him. Big bodied and i reckon is ready for afl, should be able to hold up better then Butters the only issue is GWS v Port.

Did you watch the game? Or purely going off numbers.

Hop he plays for SuperCoach but personally he looked way off the speed of AFL level

Its purely body type, absolutely nothing to do with JLT.

Butters 181cm 70kg
Hately 190cm 83kg

Ok.
LDU was body type ready for the afl as well.

Still not up to speed with the afl

Butters is infinitely more ready for afl imo.

Also imo if any supercoacher is not starting butters they have a screw loose in the brain. I know you will be starting him. You are not that stupid haha

at the moment i only have the cash for one of them. if hately isnt named then its easy,

Hately performances in the SANFL where very impressive along with the Under 18 champs.

dont get me wrong i like butters i just prefer Hately as a player, if hately was at Port then i think he would be the #1 rookie to have (above walsh)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: smashbox on March 19, 2019, 04:02:50 PM
Not exactly a rookie but thoughts on Ridley?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Holz on March 19, 2019, 04:06:33 PM
Not exactly a rookie but thoughts on Ridley?

basically a mature aged rookie (being 20 years old with 3 afl games)

but not priced like a mature aged rookie

so pass.

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 19, 2019, 04:13:19 PM
Dew has confirmed Burgess is playing this week

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: js19 on March 19, 2019, 05:00:25 PM
Anyone expecting Burgess to line up Round 1 is gonna have a bad time.

Just deflating the head following the Power announcement... :D
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoldDigger on March 19, 2019, 05:14:26 PM
Dew has confirmed Burgess is playing this week
reference?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: frenzy on March 19, 2019, 05:25:53 PM
Dew has confirmed Burgess is playing this week
reference?

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-03-19/suns-star-recruit-almost-certain-to-get-chance-to-shine
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ricochet on March 19, 2019, 05:35:13 PM
It's confirmed now Bailey Smith will debut this weekend
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoldDigger on March 19, 2019, 05:37:54 PM
It's confirmed now Bailey Smith will debut this weekend
reference?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ricochet on March 19, 2019, 05:38:32 PM
It's confirmed now Bailey Smith will debut this weekend
reference?
https://twitter.com/search?q=bailey%20smith&src=typd
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Samsturmfels on March 19, 2019, 05:38:58 PM
I was wondering if anyone has any sc stats for the rookies from their under 18 championship/from last year just to have a bit of more of an understanding of what some of the rookies were capable of.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoldDigger on March 19, 2019, 05:42:03 PM
I was wondering if anyone has any sc stats for the rookies from their under 18 championship/from last year just to have a bit of more of an understanding of what some of the rookies were capable of.
Generally found in the Prospectus ...
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 19, 2019, 05:51:36 PM
Not exactly a rookie but thoughts on Ridley?

have a feeling he will be on a few more radars after the teams drop. Has been in and out of my side.

for what its worth

ridley > brodie smith (better value for selection but not necessarily points)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Samsturmfels on March 19, 2019, 06:01:04 PM
I was wondering if anyone has any sc stats for the rookies from their under 18 championship/from last year just to have a bit of more of an understanding of what some of the rookies were capable of.
Generally found in the Prospectus ...
too bad i dont have it
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 19, 2019, 06:02:05 PM
I was wondering if anyone has any sc stats for the rookies from their under 18 championship/from last year just to have a bit of more of an understanding of what some of the rookies were capable of.

https://twitter.com/championdata/status/1065833297652068353

https://twitter.com/championdata/status/1065844516471496705
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoldDigger on March 19, 2019, 06:05:41 PM
I was wondering if anyone has any sc stats for the rookies from their under 18 championship/from last year just to have a bit of more of an understanding of what some of the rookies were capable of.
Generally found in the Prospectus ...
too bad i dont have it
Still in the shops.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: TommyC on March 19, 2019, 06:09:54 PM
I was wondering if anyone has any sc stats for the rookies from their under 18 championship/from last year just to have a bit of more of an understanding of what some of the rookies were capable of.
Generally found in the Prospectus ...
The Sacred texts
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Samsturmfels on March 19, 2019, 06:13:21 PM
I was wondering if anyone has any sc stats for the rookies from their under 18 championship/from last year just to have a bit of more of an understanding of what some of the rookies were capable of.

https://twitter.com/championdata/status/1065833297652068353

https://twitter.com/championdata/status/1065844516471496705
thanks mate, good stats
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoldDigger on March 19, 2019, 06:14:44 PM
Quote
The Sacred texts
Aaah, yes indeedy! Thou shalt take the holy grenade ...
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Nige on March 19, 2019, 06:57:03 PM
Anyone expecting Burgess to line up Round 1 is gonna have a bad time.

Just deflating the head following the Power announcement... :D
Well, I guess that didn’t age well. Evidence shows he’ll score poorly though so bad times with Burgess is still a go. :P
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: crowls on March 19, 2019, 06:59:20 PM
Anyone expecting Burgess to line up Round 1 is gonna have a bad time.

Just deflating the head following the Power announcement... :D
Well, I guess that didn’t age well. Evidence shows he’ll score poorly though so bad times with Burgess is still a go. :P
the age old debate,  a non playing rookie who cannot put on weight versus the hard gainer that takes  forever.   the non playing rookie opens up loopholes occasionally versus getting some cash eventually for the other option.   
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Pokerface on March 19, 2019, 09:00:23 PM
I think if Hately is named you got to go him. Big bodied and i reckon is ready for afl, should be able to hold up better then Butters the only issue is GWS v Port.

Did you watch the game? Or purely going off numbers.

Hop he plays for SuperCoach but personally he looked way off the speed of AFL level

Its purely body type, absolutely nothing to do with JLT.

Butters 181cm 70kg
Hately 190cm 83kg

Ok.
LDU was body type ready for the afl as well.

Still not up to speed with the afl

Butters is infinitely more ready for afl imo.

Also imo if any supercoacher is not starting butters they have a screw loose in the brain. I know you will be starting him. You are not that stupid haha

The same butters that missed TAC games because of shoulder injuries and then had both shoulders taped up during JLT? no thanks.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Holz on March 19, 2019, 09:31:51 PM
It's confirmed now Bailey Smith will debut this weekend

Will take huge guts but im considering bailey.

Was my favourite player on draft night. Had a limited preseason but could start pumping out walsh like numbers after a few rounds and give a real leg up on teams wirh butters.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 20, 2019, 07:10:37 AM
It's confirmed now Bailey Smith will debut this weekend

Will take huge guts but im considering bailey.

Was my favourite player on draft night. Had a limited preseason but could start pumping out walsh like numbers after a few rounds and give a real leg up on teams wirh butters.

Agreed like him a lot .... 10k short atm
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 20, 2019, 07:20:56 AM
wonder if its smart starting bailey if ur starting libba and macrae to

so atleast bailey plays if libba or macrae miss etc

im starting hately with conigs for same reason
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Holz on March 20, 2019, 07:42:47 AM
wonder if its smart starting bailey if ur starting libba and macrae to

so atleast bailey plays if libba or macrae miss etc

im starting hately with conigs for same reason

You dont pay 180k or 150k for either if you dony think both play with all those guys healthy.

Having macrae or libba should not influence your decision on smith
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on March 20, 2019, 07:43:40 AM
wonder if its smart starting bailey if ur starting libba and macrae to

so atleast bailey plays if libba or macrae miss etc

im starting hately with conigs for same reason

You dont pay 180k or 150k for either if you dony think both play with all those guys healthy.

Having macrae or libba should not influence your decision on smith
Exactly this^
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 20, 2019, 08:05:17 AM
dont misunderstand me i never said i dont expect baley to play with them

i expect him to play with them

but if one of libba/macrae misses then less chance sbaley might get dropped if he had a bad game maybe

why would i start him if i dont expect him to play with libba and macrae
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Holz on March 20, 2019, 08:07:16 AM
dont misunderstand me i never said i dont expect baley to play with them

i expect him to play with them

but if one of libba/macrae misses then less chance sbaley might get dropped if he had a bad game maybe

why would i start him if i dont expect him to play with libba and macrae

It shouldn't influence your decision at all.

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on March 20, 2019, 08:16:21 AM
dont misunderstand me i never said i dont expect baley to play with them

i expect him to play with them

but if one of libba/macrae misses then less chance sbaley might get dropped if he had a bad game maybe

why would i start him if i dont expect him to play with libba and macrae

It shouldn't influence your decision at all.
If say Libba gets a 3 week injury and someone comes in for him and performs well, then when he returns Smith could easily be dropped. Basically if Smith goes well then he'll hold his spot, if he doesn't then he'll get dropped. Macrae and Libba won't change that.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 20, 2019, 08:16:58 AM
dont misunderstand me i never said i dont expect baley to play with them

i expect him to play with them

but if one of libba/macrae misses then less chance sbaley might get dropped if he had a bad game maybe

why would i start him if i dont expect him to play with libba and macrae

 Think what you say has merit.
Less chance to be dropped plus potentially more scoring potential as well.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: _wato on March 20, 2019, 08:21:32 AM
With caldwell out for a few weeks surely that makes Hately a lock.

Butters > Smith is tempting. Get rid of Gibbons
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 20, 2019, 10:12:59 AM
I found an extra $110k. By fielding Duursma over Ridley.

Brayshaw > Dusty

One of gibbons Atkins Scott Constable > bailey smith.
Walsh and butters non Negotiable starters for me.

Happy days.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: _wato on March 20, 2019, 10:15:09 AM
I found an extra $110k. By fielding Duursma over Ridley.

Brayshaw > Dusty

One of gibbons Atkins Scott Constable > bailey smith.
Walsh and butters non Negotiable starters for me.

Happy days.

Nice. I'm going hately over smith as I see similar scoring and with Caldwell out hoping Hately gets a real good run at it like Taranto did.

Walsh, Butters, Hately, Constable, Scott my mid rooks. Atkins and Gibbons are cheap but that small forward role does nothing for me. If Gibbons somehow does something incredible can always DG as he is basement price.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 20, 2019, 10:29:48 AM
I found an extra $110k. By fielding Duursma over Ridley.

Brayshaw > Dusty

One of gibbons Atkins Scott Constable > bailey smith.
Walsh and butters non Negotiable starters for me.

Happy days.

Nice. I'm going hately over smith as I see similar scoring and with Caldwell out hoping Hately gets a real good run at it like Taranto did.

Walsh, Butters, Hately, Constable, Scott my mid rooks. Atkins and Gibbons are cheap but that small forward role does nothing for me. If Gibbons somehow does something incredible can always DG as he is basement price.

Look if hateley is named the I agree I’ll drop both Atkins and gibbons and take smith and hateley with Walsh butters Scott  and Constable
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: LaHug on March 20, 2019, 10:36:36 AM
Anyone looking back at Gibbons now that Fasolo's going to play as well? Does that push Gibbons into the mids or at least the flank?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 20, 2019, 10:54:39 AM
Anyone looking back at Gibbons now that Fasolo's going to play as well? Does that push Gibbons into the mids or at least the flank?

don't really care about his role for his price
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Money Shot on March 20, 2019, 11:27:53 AM
Anyone looking back at Gibbons now that Fasolo's going to play as well? Does that push Gibbons into the mids or at least the flank?

don't really care about his role for his price
+1

All he needs is one decent game 70+ which doesn’t seem impossible. And he’ll make decent money. Locked at M11.

I think Gibbons will still play predomitely forward for what it’s worth.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RichoMan94 on March 20, 2019, 12:38:56 PM
Thoughts on James Cousins at rookie price? Seems destined from JLT to start in midfield for hawks and Clarkson in AFL interview has gone on to say him and Worpel will get chance in midfield with T Mitch out
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: LaHug on March 20, 2019, 12:53:54 PM
Thoughts on James Cousins at rookie price? Seems destined from JLT to start in midfield for hawks and Clarkson in AFL interview has gone on to say him and Worpel will get chance in midfield with T Mitch out

I've got him in RDT but can't find the funds to get him in for SC.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: jvalles69 on March 20, 2019, 12:59:05 PM
Thoughts on James Cousins at rookie price? Seems destined from JLT to start in midfield for hawks and Clarkson in AFL interview has gone on to say him and Worpel will get chance in midfield with T Mitch out

I've got him in RDT but can't find the funds to get him in for SC.

I feel like to have Cousins you'd almost have to have him in place for either Walsh or Libba.  Not going to replace Walsh, but can he get close to what Libba can do?  If so you'd have to consider it... ???
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 20, 2019, 12:59:45 PM
Thoughts on James Cousins at rookie price? Seems destined from JLT to start in midfield for hawks and Clarkson in AFL interview has gone on to say him and Worpel will get chance in midfield with T Mitch out

I've got him in RDT but can't find the funds to get him in for SC.

Gee he might be a better option than bailey smith ... forgot about him to be honest . Thanks for the reminder
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Bones Bombers on March 20, 2019, 01:04:19 PM
Thoughts on James Cousins at rookie price? Seems destined from JLT to start in midfield for hawks and Clarkson in AFL interview has gone on to say him and Worpel will get chance in midfield with T Mitch out

I've got him in RDT but can't find the funds to get him in for SC.

I feel like to have Cousins you'd almost have to have him in place for either Walsh or Libba.  Not going to replace Walsh, but can he get close to what Libba can do?  If so you'd have to consider it... ???
Had Cousins locked in at M6 but moved him and Moore out last night for Sheed and Hore.
Never liked having Moore and Sheed could possibly become a keeper.
Cousins does look like a good pick to me though.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: LaHug on March 20, 2019, 01:08:06 PM
Thoughts on James Cousins at rookie price? Seems destined from JLT to start in midfield for hawks and Clarkson in AFL interview has gone on to say him and Worpel will get chance in midfield with T Mitch out

I've got him in RDT but can't find the funds to get him in for SC.

I feel like to have Cousins you'd almost have to have him in place for either Walsh or Libba.  Not going to replace Walsh, but can he get close to what Libba can do?  If so you'd have to consider it... ???

That'll be why I have him in RDT where BCrouch isn't as good value. I think I'd prefer Libba to Cousins tbh but it's an interesting conundrum.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: jvalles69 on March 20, 2019, 01:17:46 PM
Thoughts on James Cousins at rookie price? Seems destined from JLT to start in midfield for hawks and Clarkson in AFL interview has gone on to say him and Worpel will get chance in midfield with T Mitch out

I've got him in RDT but can't find the funds to get him in for SC.

I feel like to have Cousins you'd almost have to have him in place for either Walsh or Libba.  Not going to replace Walsh, but can he get close to what Libba can do?  If so you'd have to consider it... ???

That'll be why I have him in RDT where BCrouch isn't as good value. I think I'd prefer Libba to Cousins tbh but it's an interesting conundrum.

I guess it would become closer to guns and rooks if Libba became Cousins, but the M5 position looks so much better with Libba there...
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: LaHug on March 20, 2019, 01:23:56 PM
Thoughts on James Cousins at rookie price? Seems destined from JLT to start in midfield for hawks and Clarkson in AFL interview has gone on to say him and Worpel will get chance in midfield with T Mitch out

I've got him in RDT but can't find the funds to get him in for SC.

I feel like to have Cousins you'd almost have to have him in place for either Walsh or Libba.  Not going to replace Walsh, but can he get close to what Libba can do?  If so you'd have to consider it... ???

That'll be why I have him in RDT where BCrouch isn't as good value. I think I'd prefer Libba to Cousins tbh but it's an interesting conundrum.

I guess it would become closer to guns and rooks if Libba became Cousins, but the M5 position looks so much better with Libba there...

Here's one for you...

B Crouch (M5), Libba (M6), Constable (M9) or Dusty, Cousins, Gibbons? That's very guns and rooks all of a sudden but I could do that change...
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Wanderer on March 20, 2019, 01:27:05 PM
Thoughts on James Cousins at rookie price? Seems destined from JLT to start in midfield for hawks and Clarkson in AFL interview has gone on to say him and Worpel will get chance in midfield with T Mitch out

I've got him in RDT but can't find the funds to get him in for SC.

I feel like to have Cousins you'd almost have to have him in place for either Walsh or Libba.  Not going to replace Walsh, but can he get close to what Libba can do?  If so you'd have to consider it... ???

That'll be why I have him in RDT where BCrouch isn't as good value. I think I'd prefer Libba to Cousins tbh but it's an interesting conundrum.

I guess it would become closer to guns and rooks if Libba became Cousins, but the M5 position looks so much better with Libba there...

Here's one for you...

B Crouch (M5), Libba (M6), Constable (M9) or Dusty, Cousins, Gibbons? That's very guns and rooks all of a sudden but I could do that change...
B.Crouch is too much of an injury risk which is why I would go the Dusty guns and rookies option, but B.Crouch is the value pick for sure if you are ok with the risk.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: jvalles69 on March 20, 2019, 02:56:33 PM
Found a way to get Cousins in without touching Walsh or Libba...
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: LaHug on March 20, 2019, 03:36:02 PM
Found a way to get Cousins in without touching Walsh or Libba...

I'll take it you don't have B Crouch as well?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: jvalles69 on March 20, 2019, 03:46:08 PM
Found a way to get Cousins in without touching Walsh or Libba...

I'll take it you don't have B Crouch as well?

No, don't have B.Crouch. Libba M5, Cousins M6, Walsh M7
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: LaHug on March 20, 2019, 04:03:26 PM
Found a way to get Cousins in without touching Walsh or Libba...

I'll take it you don't have B Crouch as well?

No, don't have B.Crouch. Libba M5, Cousins M6, Walsh M7

Ah k. I prefer BCrouch, Libba, Walsh but I assume that makes you stronger on other lines
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: jvalles69 on March 20, 2019, 04:14:05 PM
Found a way to get Cousins in without touching Walsh or Libba...

I'll take it you don't have B Crouch as well?

No, don't have B.Crouch. Libba M5, Cousins M6, Walsh M7

Ah k. I prefer BCrouch, Libba, Walsh but I assume that makes you stronger on other lines

Yeah, I've gone stronger in the other lines only because I only wanted one of them.  Have been tempted to upgrade Libba to another premo mid, but would have to change the structure a bit.  I feel this way gives me a solid level of cash generation as well as good scoring.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: LaHug on March 20, 2019, 04:54:58 PM
Found a way to get Cousins in without touching Walsh or Libba...

I'll take it you don't have B Crouch as well?

No, don't have B.Crouch. Libba M5, Cousins M6, Walsh M7

Ah k. I prefer BCrouch, Libba, Walsh but I assume that makes you stronger on other lines

Yeah, I've gone stronger in the other lines only because I only wanted one of them.  Have been tempted to upgrade Libba to another premo mid, but would have to change the structure a bit.  I feel this way gives me a solid level of cash generation as well as good scoring.

Yeah, I calculated the cash gen from my mid pricers at my predicted averages for them is enough that I can cull them the same way I would rookies and get more points in the process. Would lose out on trades if they all flop though. Early points game vs. potential trades loss but I'm gonna risk it for the biscuit
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: hawkers65 on March 20, 2019, 05:12:04 PM
Balta gets a gig alongside Lynch and Jroo
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: LaHug on March 20, 2019, 05:12:41 PM
Now I have to pick two of Balta, Petrucelle, Parker...
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 20, 2019, 05:17:42 PM
Now I have to pick two of Balta, Petrucelle, Parker...

I was all for not picking Balta, but the Richmond emergencies are trash and no real threat to Balta so I am tempted to start him now

I know Caddy returns in 4-5 weeks, but guys like Mav Weller could make way for him

Just need to decide if he is worth starting, or grab him in 2 weeks time if he looks good enough

Will probably start him over Parker, because Parker won't score well either way so can switch to Parker if Balta gets dropped later
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 20, 2019, 06:07:02 PM
Lachie Schultz and Brett Bewley are in the frame for selection for Fremantle’s opening round clash against North Melbourne at Optus Stadium on Sunday, according to senior coach Ross Lyon.

https://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/2019-03-20/mature-age-duo-a-chance-for-r1-debut
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Gavdroid on March 20, 2019, 06:12:56 PM
Lachie Schultz and Brett Bewley are in the frame for selection for Fremantle’s opening round clash against North Melbourne at Optus Stadium on Sunday, according to senior coach Ross Lyon.

https://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/2019-03-20/mature-age-duo-a-chance-for-r1-debut

"In the frame"? That just screams extended bench danger to me
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Money Shot on March 20, 2019, 06:18:09 PM
I’m all aboard the Balta train again. Has decent scoring potential as he will pinch hit in the ruck. Looks good at F7. Petrucelle is out.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 20, 2019, 06:36:44 PM
Now I have to pick two of Balta, Petrucelle, Parker...

I was all for not picking Balta, but the Richmond emergencies are trash and no real threat to Balta so I am tempted to start him now

I know Caddy returns in 4-5 weeks, but guys like Mav Weller could make way for him

Just need to decide if he is worth starting, or grab him in 2 weeks time if he looks good enough

Will probably start him over Parker, because Parker won't score well either way so can switch to Parker if Balta gets dropped later

Have to start balta before Parker ... couldn’t agree more
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Mat0369 on March 20, 2019, 06:42:14 PM
Anyone looking back at Gibbons now that Fasolo's going to play as well? Does that push Gibbons into the mids or at least the flank?

He is in ahead of Cam Polson. Fas is probably holding out Silvagni/Polson as well. Surprised to see Garlett get a run in the back pocket to be honest.

Now I have to pick two of Balta, Petrucelle, Parker...

Easy, Balta and Parker. Especially with Lynch named
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 20, 2019, 06:45:00 PM
Anyone looking back at Gibbons now that Fasolo's going to play as well? Does that push Gibbons into the mids or at least the flank?

He is in ahead of Cam Polson. Fas is probably holding out Silvagni/Polson as well. Surprised to see Garlett get a run in the back pocket to be honest.

Now I have to pick two of Balta, Petrucelle, Parker...

Petrucelle by a mile ahead of Parker boys

Easy, Balta and Parker. Especially with Lynch named
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 20, 2019, 06:48:59 PM
I might go Petrucelle over Parker tbh

Having Parker as a slow burn downgrade/correction option a few rounds in might be handy
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 20, 2019, 06:50:49 PM
I might go Petrucelle over Parker tbh

Having Parker as a slow burn downgrade/correction option a few rounds in might be handy

Not even a contest between the 2 imo. Ya just know the Ferrari is gonna hit the scoreboard this weekend. 3+ goals coming up. Watch.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on March 20, 2019, 07:09:25 PM
I might go Petrucelle over Parker tbh

Having Parker as a slow burn downgrade/correction option a few rounds in might be handy

Not even a contest between the 2 imo. Ya just know the Ferrari is gonna hit the scoreboard this weekend. 3+ goals coming up. Watch.
Someone will have to when JJK and Darling get shut down
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: SilverLion on March 20, 2019, 07:14:13 PM
I might go Petrucelle over Parker tbh

Having Parker as a slow burn downgrade/correction option a few rounds in might be handy

Not even a contest between the 2 imo. Ya just know the Ferrari is gonna hit the scoreboard this weekend. 3+ goals coming up. Watch.
Someone will have to when JJK and Darling get shut down
This man knows
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 20, 2019, 07:28:35 PM
I might go Petrucelle over Parker tbh

Having Parker as a slow burn downgrade/correction option a few rounds in might be handy

Not even a contest between the 2 imo. Ya just know the Ferrari is gonna hit the scoreboard this weekend. 3+ goals coming up. Watch.
Someone will have to when JJK and Darling get shut down
This man knows

That’s hilarious
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on March 20, 2019, 07:36:58 PM
I might go Petrucelle over Parker tbh

Having Parker as a slow burn downgrade/correction option a few rounds in might be handy

Not even a contest between the 2 imo. Ya just know the Ferrari is gonna hit the scoreboard this weekend. 3+ goals coming up. Watch.
Someone will have to when JJK and Darling get shut down
This man knows

That’s hilarious
Sorry I'm not very good with the humour, could you please explain what's so funny?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RoughRed on March 20, 2019, 07:38:17 PM
I might go Petrucelle over Parker tbh

Having Parker as a slow burn downgrade/correction option a few rounds in might be handy

Not even a contest between the 2 imo. Ya just know the Ferrari is gonna hit the scoreboard this weekend. 3+ goals coming up. Watch.
Someone will have to when JJK and Darling get shut down
This man knows

That’s hilarious
+1
I think SL and GL are referring to when JJK and Darling have sat down after they have 10 goals between them ... probably half way through the 3 term
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on March 20, 2019, 07:39:27 PM
I might go Petrucelle over Parker tbh

Having Parker as a slow burn downgrade/correction option a few rounds in might be handy

Not even a contest between the 2 imo. Ya just know the Ferrari is gonna hit the scoreboard this weekend. 3+ goals coming up. Watch.
Someone will have to when JJK and Darling get shut down
This man knows

That’s hilarious
+1
I think SL and GL are referring to when JJK and Darling have sat down after they have 10 goals between them ... probably half way through the 3 term
Such a typical bias WCE supporter response, honestly.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: crowls on March 20, 2019, 07:47:54 PM
wce supporters,  egos with no bounds.    unfortunately i see them being top four again this season.   
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: eaglesman on March 20, 2019, 08:05:07 PM
I might go Petrucelle over Parker tbh

Having Parker as a slow burn downgrade/correction option a few rounds in might be handy

Not even a contest between the 2 imo. Ya just know the Ferrari is gonna hit the scoreboard this weekend. 3+ goals coming up. Watch.
Someone will have to when JJK and Darling get shut down
This man knows

That’s hilarious
+1
I think SL and GL are referring to when JJK and Darling have sat down after they have 10 goals between them ... probably half way through the 3 term
Such a typical bias WCE supporter response, honestly.

If your mob get within 10 goals then you should be very very proud of your team.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: LaHug on March 21, 2019, 06:17:31 AM
I might go Petrucelle over Parker tbh

Having Parker as a slow burn downgrade/correction option a few rounds in might be handy

Not even a contest between the 2 imo. Ya just know the Ferrari is gonna hit the scoreboard this weekend. 3+ goals coming up. Watch.
Someone will have to when JJK and Darling get shut down
This man knows

That’s hilarious
+1
I think SL and GL are referring to when JJK and Darling have sat down after they have 10 goals between them ... probably half way through the 3 term
Such a typical bias WCE supporter response, honestly.

If your mob get within 10 goals then you should be very very proud of your team.

I think that West Coast will get up but I'd take a bet that Brisbane will be within 10 goals any day of the week. That's just blind arrogance.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: SilverLion on March 21, 2019, 10:38:53 AM
Bewley and Schultz in the frame:
https://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/2019-03-20/mature-age-duo-a-chance-for-r1-debut

Bailey Scott confirmed to debut:
https://twitter.com/NMFCOfficial/status/1108528434936844288
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on March 21, 2019, 11:02:40 AM
Is Bewley a must have if he gets named? I had written him off due to low minutes in the JLT thinking he wasn't in the frame but if he gets named that changes everything as he was the mid rookie I was most keen on all pre season
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on March 21, 2019, 11:05:05 AM
Is Bewley a must have if he gets named? I had written him off due to low minutes in the JLT thinking he wasn't in the frame but if he gets named that changes everything as he was the mid rookie I was most keen on all pre season
My concern would be quite a few rookies have already been confirmed for rd1, whilst Bewley is only "in the frame". Even if named, JS can't be great...
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: tommy10 on March 21, 2019, 11:06:03 AM
Is Bewley a must have if he gets named? I had written him off due to low minutes in the JLT thinking he wasn't in the frame but if he gets named that changes everything as he was the mid rookie I was most keen on all pre season
My concern would be quite a few rookies have already been confirmed for rd1, whilst Bewley is only "in the frame". Even if named, JS can't be great...
This
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 21, 2019, 11:08:16 AM
We need to make some calls on which rookies we field, and which ones we bench

DEF: Collins, Scrimshaw, Clarke, Duursma, Burgess, Hore
MID: Walsh, Butters, Hately, Constable, Scott, Bewley, Hind, Atkins, Gibbons
FED: Setters, Drew, Balta, Parker, Petrucelle

Assuming they all get named, who do we field, who do we bench and who do we pass on?

Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on March 21, 2019, 11:11:10 AM
We need to make some calls on which rookies we field, and which ones we bench

DEF: Collins, Scrimshaw, Clarke, Duursma, Burgess, Hore
MID: Walsh, Butters, Hately, Constable, Scott, Bewley, Hind, Atkins, Gibbons
FED: Setters, Drew, Balta, Parker, Petrucelle

Assuming they all get named, who do we field, who do we bench and who do we pass on?
Pass: Scrimshaw, Bewley, Parker, Gibbons, one of Hind/Atkins
Bench: Burgess, Hore, Hind/Atkins, Scott, Constable, Fettucine, Duursma/Balta

Field the rest (or at least i am)
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: sammy123 on March 21, 2019, 11:42:23 AM
Im gunna field scrimshaw clark if named. Duursma

Walsh and butters(will have gibbons atkins/constable scott on bench)

Settfield and drew up front
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: quinny88 on March 21, 2019, 11:55:30 AM
Is Bewley a must have if he gets named? I had written him off due to low minutes in the JLT thinking he wasn't in the frame but if he gets named that changes everything as he was the mid rookie I was most keen on all pre season
My concern would be quite a few rookies have already been confirmed for rd1, whilst Bewley is only "in the frame". Even if named, JS can't be great...

Freo playing the last game on Sunday though so they probably aren't having their main training session till today. Plus it's Ross Lyon so he's never gonna be clear on it lol
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: ubeaut on March 21, 2019, 11:58:08 AM
We need to make some calls on which rookies we field, and which ones we bench

DEF: Collins, Scrimshaw, Clarke, Duursma, Burgess, Hore
MID: Walsh, Butters, Hately, Constable, Scott, Bewley, Hind, Atkins, Gibbons
FED: Setters, Drew, Balta, Parker, Petrucelle

Assuming they all get named, who do we field, who do we bench and who do we pass on?
DEF: Collins playing lock down with Thompson injured worries me at the price in terms of scoring.
Scrimshaw JS is a real concern with Clarko
Burgess scoring will be poor at best
That leaves Duursma, Hore and Clark as locks for me, and I'll have pick one of the others.

MID: Walsh and Butters on field for me haven't decided the 3rd. Gibbons is a tempting price, but a small fwd role at Carlton isn't great for scoring, and there's plenty of other options, so I'll pass and see how he goes, downgrade rookie correction trade if needed.
Bewley could be great given he's mature age, but do we trust Ross and his TOG?
Constable and Scott are in for me, and one of Hately/Hind/Atkins.

FWD: Setterfield and Parker the only ones I'm confident on.
Drew has Wines coming back. Petrucelle has Cripps. I'm taking the punt on Balta and one of Drew/Petrucelle probably Drew.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: tommy10 on March 21, 2019, 12:12:17 PM
I’m thinking to field:
D: Clark, not sure on Scrimshaw over Duursma for this week. Think the ball will be down back quite a bit for Hawks so he may get the pill a lot, but the crows fwds will pressure him. Thinking Duursma this round
M: Walsh, Constable
F: Drew and Setterfield, thinking Balta as well but will need to bench Drew, and not sure I want to bench him...
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: jvalles69 on March 21, 2019, 12:55:52 PM
I’m thinking to field:
D: Clark, not sure on Scrimshaw over Duursma for this week. Think the ball will be down back quite a bit for Hawks so he may get the pill a lot, but the crows fwds will pressure him. Thinking Duursma this round
M: Walsh, Constable
F: Drew and Setterfield, thinking Balta as well but will need to bench Drew, and not sure I want to bench him...

Yeah I'm having trouble deciding on Balta or Drew on field, at the moment I'm leaning towards Drew.

In mids I've decided to do something different and have Scott on field over Constable.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: smashbox on March 21, 2019, 01:05:22 PM
I’m very nervous about Balta JS. Lynch probably only needs 1-2 games before he can pinch hit in the ruck. Then Balta will be the first to go.

I see Petrucelli as having better JS as he takes Le Cras spot
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: GoLions on March 21, 2019, 01:28:48 PM
I might go Petrucelle over Parker tbh

Having Parker as a slow burn downgrade/correction option a few rounds in might be handy

Not even a contest between the 2 imo. Ya just know the Ferrari is gonna hit the scoreboard this weekend. 3+ goals coming up. Watch.
Someone will have to when JJK and Darling get shut down
This man knows

That’s hilarious
+1
I think SL and GL are referring to when JJK and Darling have sat down after they have 10 goals between them ... probably half way through the 3 term
I think JJK might be doing a lot of sitting during the game! Gonna struggle to register a stat though.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: tommy10 on March 21, 2019, 02:23:31 PM
I’m very nervous about Balta JS. Lynch probably only needs 1-2 games before he can pinch hit in the ruck. Then Balta will be the first to go.

I see Petrucelli as having better JS as he takes Le Cras spot
I think Weller will be the first to go, then Balta imo. Balta can play in the wing too. 
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: jfitty on March 21, 2019, 02:25:19 PM
I’m very nervous about Balta JS. Lynch probably only needs 1-2 games before he can pinch hit in the ruck. Then Balta will be the first to go.

I see Petrucelli as having better JS as he takes Le Cras spot

I feel like it speaks volumes that they were named in the same team. Until Caddy is fit, I can’t really see anyone knocking the door down to take his spot. Mav Weller may go out first anyway.

I’m actually tempted to put him on the field, see what he can do. If him and Setterfield score well enough, perhaps Moore isn’t required at F4.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: PICCOLLO on March 21, 2019, 02:31:13 PM
I’m very nervous about Balta JS. Lynch probably only needs 1-2 games before he can pinch hit in the ruck. Then Balta will be the first to go.

I see Petrucelli as having better JS as he takes Le Cras spot

I feel like it speaks volumes that they were named in the same team. Until Caddy is fit, I can’t really see anyone knocking the door down to take his spot. Mav Weller may go out first anyway.

I’m actually tempted to put him on the field, see what he can do. If him and Setterfield score well enough, perhaps Moore isn’t required at F4.

Ive fielded him and used dpp to chuck Moore in defence forthis round.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Ringo on March 21, 2019, 03:08:26 PM
Three more rookie priced players have been confirmed today. West Coast Duo Jack Petruccelle and Oscar Allen have been announced as playing while the Saints have locked in Matt Parker for his AFL debut.
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: tkringle on March 21, 2019, 03:20:52 PM
Three more rookie priced players have been confirmed today. West Coast Duo Jack Petruccelle and Oscar Allen have been announced as playing while the Saints have locked in Matt Parker for his AFL debut.

Which two are people going out of Parker, Balta and Petruccelle?
Title: Re: 2019 Rookies
Post by: Locinator on March 21, 2019, 03:38:19 PM