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Title: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Southstorm on January 27, 2019, 08:01:25 PM
Thought the backline could use a thread.

Toying with playing Hibberd as an alternative to Williams at D3. Priced at $400k, played 1 on 1 defender last year but with the May acquisition does that possibly free him up a bit? Solid history of going 90+ when playing loose.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on January 27, 2019, 08:09:28 PM
Hibberd on the never again list.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: shaker on January 27, 2019, 08:35:58 PM
Williams has much more upside than Hibberd
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 27, 2019, 09:42:51 PM
I think we have 3 clear tiers

Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, Simpson and Whitfield

Everyone in the 400-500k range

Brodie Smith, Dylan Roberton, Pearce Hanley

There's a heap of guys in that second tier that could finish up Top 10 but picking the right ones is tricky. Guys like Blakely, Witherden, even Mills etc

Williams I exempt even though he's in that price range

As of now, I'm picking two from Tier 1, Williams and one from Tier 3. Avoiding Tier 2
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Southstorm on January 27, 2019, 09:51:41 PM
I think we have 3 clear tiers

Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, Simpson and Whitfield

Everyone in the 400-500k range

Brodie Smith, Dylan Roberton, Pearce Hanley

There's a heap of guys in that second tier that could finish up Top 10 but picking the right ones is tricky. Guys like Blakely, Witherden, even Mills etc

Williams I exempt even though he's in that price range

As of now, I'm picking two from Tier 1, Williams and one from Tier 3. Avoiding Tier 2
Good post. I'm going with the same strategy with Williams at the moment, I assume most people will follow a similar structure in the absence obvious mid-price keepers and good defensive rookies. It's also very tough to fit in three tier 1 defenders with the expensive rucks this year.

Feel most people will be starting Williams though, would be nice to have a second option.

Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on January 27, 2019, 09:53:59 PM
I'm leaning towards Laird, Mills, Williams & Roberton. Certainly carries some risk but still allows room to upgrade to 3 more premiums, most likely Sicily, Simpson & Whitfield. Bottom line with Mills is he's likely to be a midfielder which could entail a Brayshaw type season. By doing this I can also have Wingard at F4.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on January 28, 2019, 02:44:49 AM
I've had Laird, Whitfield, Williams all pre season but I'm starting to wonder if I'm better off finding value in the guys that take heaps of kick ins. Gonna be really interesting to see how much of a difference it makes to players scores
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: shaker on January 28, 2019, 07:14:17 AM
I think we have 3 clear tiers

Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, Simpson and Whitfield

Everyone in the 400-500k range

Brodie Smith, Dylan Roberton, Pearce Hanley

There's a heap of guys in that second tier that could finish up Top 10 but picking the right ones is tricky. Guys like Blakely, Witherden, even Mills etc

Williams I exempt even though he's in that price range

As of now, I'm picking two from Tier 1, Williams and one from Tier 3. Avoiding Tier 2
One of the heaps of guys in tier 2 is Ryan you did not name are you hoping people have lost his scent ?  ;D
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: ubeaut on January 28, 2019, 08:55:42 AM
Thought the backline could use a thread.

Toying with playing Hibberd as an alternative to Williams at D3. Priced at $400k, played 1 on 1 defender last year but with the May acquisition does that possibly free him up a bit? Solid history of going 90+ when playing loose.
He played plenty of games in the first half of the season where he didn't lock down. Frost, McDonald and Lever were the lock downs until Lever got injured.
In that time Hibberd had 4 scores in the 70s 2 in the 60s and a 48.
May is coming in but Lever is still injured.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on January 28, 2019, 12:52:54 PM
I think we have 3 clear tiers

Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, Simpson and Whitfield

Everyone in the 400-500k range

Brodie Smith, Dylan Roberton, Pearce Hanley

There's a heap of guys in that second tier that could finish up Top 10 but picking the right ones is tricky. Guys like Blakely, Witherden, even Mills etc

Williams I exempt even though he's in that price range

As of now, I'm picking two from Tier 1, Williams and one from Tier 3. Avoiding Tier 2
One of the heaps of guys in tier 2 is Ryan you did not name are you hoping people have lost his scent ?  ;D
With Blakelys injury scent will grow.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: elephants on January 28, 2019, 02:33:29 PM
I wasn't even one of the ones burnt by Hibberd last season and I wouldn't touch him. Would much rather punt on a break out than get on someone who has forgotten how to football. Just simply not required to play the quarterback role in the Dees system and I honestly can't see how that changes in 2019
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: elephants on January 28, 2019, 03:50:08 PM
Another who I probably couldn't touch in salary formats but I could see pushing 80-85 even 90+ is Adam Tomlinson. For me he is a phenomenal athlete who is simply a victim of his own unique skill set and apparent positional flexibility.

I mean look, he's a 25 yr old utility at 194cm and he an run all day. There is no real comparison to him in the AFL imo as he's not an inside player like a Cripps is (similar size) but he makes up for it by being able to cover defensive roles, play as a tall wingman or fill a 2nd or 3rd tall fwd position all in the space of one match.

Take his 2018 season.

He started the season as a lockdown defender, was then moved onto a wing and finally thrown forward and back again as the year progressed. He's in good nick now too, was about to win the 2km time trial before pulling up short with a calf niggle on the final lap.

For 2019 I see him getting more time as that 2nd chop-out ruckman and this is where I see a lot of his improvement come from. Lobb is gone, he is a much more flexible ruckman than Simpson or Mumford and can play forward which allowed the Giants to actually pick a ruckman at times. In 2019 they will not be afforded this luxury. Mumford and Simpson are not forwards, they are not versatile ruckman that can play a number of roles and as a result only one will be picked on a week to week basis.

Now who will chop out for the Giants you ask? I see three options. My boy Tomlinson, Lachie Keeffe and Jon Patton. We an strike off Patton as he has done his ACL and will be in rehab all season. Lachie Keeffe played 8 games last year and 2 of those were only as late inclusions very late in the season. I dont think he is best 22. Which just leaves AT!

In games where Tomlinson recorded 3 or more hitouts his fantasy averages were 84SC and 83DT, not numbers to really get excited about but still a demonstration that he could be up to 10-15 points underpriced for 2019.

This could all be a tremendous waste of time, as if he plays chop out ruck and a key fwd or defensive post his scoring may remain in the low 70s, but who knows, he could be a massive flyer if given enough time around the ball!

TLDR: no I do not have some kind of unhealthy obsession with Tomlinson nor am I related to him in anyway haha.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on January 28, 2019, 04:17:58 PM
I'm calling it now, Jayden Short will average 100+ this year
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on January 28, 2019, 04:25:02 PM
Anyone tempted by Brandon Ellis?

$387k and before 18' he went 97, 100, 85, 91

Fell out of favour a bit last year with the emergence of Short playing the rebounding role and taking over the kick ins but Ellis has a huge tank and is very durable and said he's having a role change this year and playing on the wing
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Peter on January 28, 2019, 04:26:29 PM
Big call with Richmond’s game plan
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: shaker on January 28, 2019, 04:27:43 PM
Big call with Richmond’s game plan
Yep big call Q so your starting Short ?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Peter on January 28, 2019, 04:30:11 PM
Nope - Andrews
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on January 28, 2019, 04:32:23 PM
Big call with Richmond’s game plan
Yep big call Q so your starting Short ?

Nope  ;D

Laird and Whitfield will average more and Williams is too cheap to ignore. If I go a 4th premium though it will be Short. Watch him run and carry every kick out he takes this year and he always kicks long.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: shaker on January 28, 2019, 04:33:44 PM
Nope - Andrews
Haha gathered you were not starting him Peter I meant quinny  ;D
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: shaker on January 28, 2019, 04:36:09 PM
Big call with Richmond’s game plan
Yep big call Q so your starting Short ?

Nope  ;D

Laird and Whitfield will average more and Williams is too cheap to ignore. If I go a 4th premium though it will be Short. Watch him run and carry every kick out he takes this year and he always kicks long.
The new rules make him a bit more attractive but don't know if he will avg. 100 ....... could be wrong though  ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on January 28, 2019, 04:55:18 PM
I had three guys I was locking into the backline before the season started, Laird, Doch and Blakely. Pray for Laird.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on January 28, 2019, 04:58:34 PM
I had three guys I was locking into the backline before the season started, Laird, Doch and Blakely. Pray for Laird.

Uh oh
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on January 28, 2019, 05:02:24 PM
Calling it now, Whitfield if he plays on the wing all year won't average more than 95
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: elephants on January 28, 2019, 05:06:41 PM
I'm calling it now, Jayden Short will average 100+ this year

There are so many examples of young players breaking out off the halfback line then failing the preceding season. For the most part I try and roll with older proven defenders that have done it year after year, not to say Short isnt an enticing option with a mortgage on the kick in duties (assuming Houli coming back doesnt effect that
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on January 28, 2019, 05:58:45 PM
Anyone tempted by Brandon Ellis?

$387k and before 18' he went 97, 100, 85, 91

Fell out of favour a bit last year with the emergence of Short playing the rebounding role and taking over the kick ins but Ellis has a huge tank and is very durable and said he's having a role change this year and playing on the wing
Didn't he get dropped late in the season? Is he definitely best 22?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: TommyC on January 28, 2019, 07:43:24 PM
Anyone tempted by Brandon Ellis?

$387k and before 18' he went 97, 100, 85, 91

Fell out of favour a bit last year with the emergence of Short playing the rebounding role and taking over the kick ins but Ellis has a huge tank and is very durable and said he's having a role change this year and playing on the wing
Certainly one to consider, played arguably his best footy while playing midfield.
I probably won't pick him though in saying that.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on January 28, 2019, 07:54:42 PM
I'm calling it now, Jayden Short will average 100+ this year

There are so many examples of young players breaking out off the halfback line then failing the preceding season. For the most part I try and roll with older proven defenders that have done it year after year, not to say Short isnt an enticing option with a mortgage on the kick in duties (assuming Houli coming back doesnt effect that

Shorty definitely the best kick in the side and will take majority of the kick ins. I might have been a touch optimistic with 100+ but he is at a great age and plays the perfect role to do it
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on January 28, 2019, 08:05:19 PM
Anyone tempted by Brandon Ellis?

$387k and before 18' he went 97, 100, 85, 91

Fell out of favour a bit last year with the emergence of Short playing the rebounding role and taking over the kick ins but Ellis has a huge tank and is very durable and said he's having a role change this year and playing on the wing
Didn't he get dropped late in the season? Is he definitely best 22?

Yes got dropped on 2 occasions I think. Was playing as a small defender though and our defence was in amazing form all year with very few injuries at any stage. Hence why they are moving him to a wing where he has averaged 100+ before. Best 22 imo

D: Short, Astbury, Grimes
     Houli, Rance, Vlastuin

C: Ellis, Cotchin, Edwards

F: Caddy, Riewoldt, Lambert
    Rioli, Lynch, Butler

Foll: Nank, Martin, Prestia

I/C: Higgins, McIntosh, Grigg, Castagna
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: TommyC on January 28, 2019, 08:22:39 PM
Anyone tempted by Brandon Ellis?

$387k and before 18' he went 97, 100, 85, 91

Fell out of favour a bit last year with the emergence of Short playing the rebounding role and taking over the kick ins but Ellis has a huge tank and is very durable and said he's having a role change this year and playing on the wing
Didn't he get dropped late in the season? Is he definitely best 22?

Yes got dropped on 2 occasions I think. Was playing as a small defender though and our defence was in amazing form all year with very few injuries at any stage. Hence why they are moving him to a wing where he has averaged 100+ before. Best 22 imo

D: Short, Astbury, Grimes
     Houli, Rance, Vlastuin

C: Ellis, Cotchin, Edwards

F: Caddy, Riewoldt, Lambert
    Rioli, Lynch, Butler

Foll: Nank, Martin, Prestia

I/C: Higgins, McIntosh, Grigg, Castagna
I agree
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Nige on January 28, 2019, 08:27:20 PM
Anyone tempted by Brandon Ellis?

$387k and before 18' he went 97, 100, 85, 91

Fell out of favour a bit last year with the emergence of Short playing the rebounding role and taking over the kick ins but Ellis has a huge tank and is very durable and said he's having a role change this year and playing on the wing
Carn quinny, you know as well as I do as a fellow Tiges man that picking Brando is very much playing with fire.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 28, 2019, 08:30:12 PM
Fox Sports has him on the fringe, and not in the 22

Just their opinion of course, but either way, his JS will be questionable so for that reason alone he's a clear pass

B: D. Astbury, A. Rance, B. Houli

HB: N. Vlastuin, D. Grimes, N. Broad

C: S. Edwards, T. Cotchin, K. Lambert

HF: D. Rioli, T. Lynch, D. Butler

F: J. Higgins, J. Riewoldt, J. Caddy

FOL: T. Nankervis, D. Martin, D. Prestia

I/C: S. Grigg, J. Castagna, J. Graham, J. Short

EMG: B. Ellis, S. Bolton, K. McIntosh, C. Menadue
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Nige on January 28, 2019, 08:35:57 PM
Difference between quinny's and that one for those trying to work it out are:

Broad and Graham in for Ellis and McIntosh.

Personally, I think Brando is best 22 to begin with (since we're keen to playing him in the wing role) and I say that as someone who isn't his biggest fan.

I'd also have Graham and Menadue over Grigg and McIntosh (ripping blokes but limited players).

Also don't think Castagna should be best 22 either, but that's a different conversation.

But yeah, if we're even having a discussion about his JS, that should be enough to rule him out.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on January 28, 2019, 08:39:28 PM
Anyone tempted by Brandon Ellis?

$387k and before 18' he went 97, 100, 85, 91

Fell out of favour a bit last year with the emergence of Short playing the rebounding role and taking over the kick ins but Ellis has a huge tank and is very durable and said he's having a role change this year and playing on the wing
Carn quinny, you know as well as I do as a fellow Tiges man that picking Brando is very much playing with fire.

No doubt haha. I'm only asking the question if anyone's considering as he has stated he's moving back to the wing where he has a good history of scoring. At $387k and only having missed 4 games in 5 years, he's not as big a risk as some might think
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Woppa15 on January 29, 2019, 11:21:06 AM
Does any have or know where I can find statistics on players taking kick ins? Keen to put this up against the players I’m considering as Defensive options.
Many thanks in advance!
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: shaker on January 29, 2019, 11:31:26 AM
Does any have or know where I can find statistics on players taking kick ins? Keen to put this up against the players I’m considering as Defensive options.
Many thanks in advance!
If you go into 2019 locks and go back a page LaHug put up an AFL site with lots of kick in stats for all clubs , just been in there myself  ;D
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Woppa15 on January 29, 2019, 11:46:23 AM
Does any have or know where I can find statistics on players taking kick ins? Keen to put this up against the players I’m considering as Defensive options.
Many thanks in advance!
If you go into 2019 locks and go back a page LaHug put up an AFL site with lots of kick in stats for all clubs , just been in there myself  ;D

Awesome thanks Shaker and LaHug!
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mr Salty on January 29, 2019, 05:14:52 PM
Given the rule changes I'm surprised there is no love for Hurn
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: elephants on January 29, 2019, 11:03:25 PM
Given the rule changes I'm surprised there is no love for Hurn

I think you mean "Premiership Captain Shannon Hurn" but yes I agree mate. Will probably take 95% of our kick ins provided we don't change tactic with the rule changes and give the ball to someone with a bit more pace (Jetta).

To be honest, he's just not a very attractive pick for no reason other than he's 32 this season and coming off a career year. I don't mind him but you're really paying top dollar for him
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HappyDEZ on January 30, 2019, 10:58:11 AM
Given the rule changes I'm surprised there is no love for Hurn

I think you mean "Premiership Captain Shannon Hurn" but yes I agree mate. Will probably take 95% of our kick ins provided we don't change tactic with the rule changes and give the ball to someone with a bit more pace (Jetta).

To be honest, he's just not a very attractive pick for no reason other than he's 32 this season and coming off a career year. I don't mind him but you're really paying top dollar for him
I agree about paying top dollar off a career best year but at this stage I have Hurn with a view to him being my eventual D6. At worst he goes 85ish. Not great but not the end of the world. Pros are he is durable & if I was the West Coast I would be adding some new plays to the playbook based on Hurn & the new kick in rules. With a run up start he can open up large areas past the 50m arc. In an ideal world (dreaming) he adds 12 to his stats (one kick per quarter) but even if he can add 1/2 that he goes low 100s. Hopefully I am not saying p*** off Jetta too often.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on January 30, 2019, 01:14:20 PM
Given the rule changes I'm surprised there is no love for Hurn

I think you mean "Premiership Captain Shannon Hurn" but yes I agree mate. Will probably take 95% of our kick ins provided we don't change tactic with the rule changes and give the ball to someone with a bit more pace (Jetta).

To be honest, he's just not a very attractive pick for no reason other than he's 32 this season and coming off a career year. I don't mind him but you're really paying top dollar for him
I agree about paying top dollar off a career best year but at this stage I have Hurn with a view to him being my eventual D6. At worst he goes 85ish. Not great but not the end of the world. Pros are he is durable & if I was the West Coast I would be adding some new plays to the playbook based on Hurn & the new kick in rules. With a run up start he can open up large areas past the 50m arc. In an ideal world (dreaming) he adds 12 to his stats (one kick per quarter) but even if he can add 1/2 that he goes low 100s. Hopefully I am not saying p*** off Jetta too often.

I'd be interested to know how often Hurn kicks long from a kick in. I don't feel like he played on too often but was more used as the safe kick in. Might not be the type to move out of the square too often reguardless of the rules but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: ubeaut on January 30, 2019, 01:39:32 PM
Given the rule changes I'm surprised there is no love for Hurn

I think you mean "Premiership Captain Shannon Hurn" but yes I agree mate. Will probably take 95% of our kick ins provided we don't change tactic with the rule changes and give the ball to someone with a bit more pace (Jetta).

To be honest, he's just not a very attractive pick for no reason other than he's 32 this season and coming off a career year. I don't mind him but you're really paying top dollar for him
I agree about paying top dollar off a career best year but at this stage I have Hurn with a view to him being my eventual D6. At worst he goes 85ish. Not great but not the end of the world. Pros are he is durable & if I was the West Coast I would be adding some new plays to the playbook based on Hurn & the new kick in rules. With a run up start he can open up large areas past the 50m arc. In an ideal world (dreaming) he adds 12 to his stats (one kick per quarter) but even if he can add 1/2 that he goes low 100s. Hopefully I am not saying p*** off Jetta too often.

I'd be interested to know how often Hurn kicks long from a kick in. I don't feel like he played on too often but was more used as the safe kick in. Might not be the type to move out of the square too often reguardless of the rules but I could be wrong.
According to afl.com Hurn played on more than anyone in the comp. So he was already getting a lot of points from playing on. He may now play on even more, thus scoring more, but perhaps not as much as someone who also takes a lot of kick ins but didn't play on very often
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on January 30, 2019, 01:40:34 PM
Given the rule changes I'm surprised there is no love for Hurn

I think you mean "Premiership Captain Shannon Hurn" but yes I agree mate. Will probably take 95% of our kick ins provided we don't change tactic with the rule changes and give the ball to someone with a bit more pace (Jetta).

To be honest, he's just not a very attractive pick for no reason other than he's 32 this season and coming off a career year. I don't mind him but you're really paying top dollar for him
I agree about paying top dollar off a career best year but at this stage I have Hurn with a view to him being my eventual D6. At worst he goes 85ish. Not great but not the end of the world. Pros are he is durable & if I was the West Coast I would be adding some new plays to the playbook based on Hurn & the new kick in rules. With a run up start he can open up large areas past the 50m arc. In an ideal world (dreaming) he adds 12 to his stats (one kick per quarter) but even if he can add 1/2 that he goes low 100s. Hopefully I am not saying p*** off Jetta too often.

I'd be interested to know how often Hurn kicks long from a kick in. I don't feel like he played on too often but was more used as the safe kick in. Might not be the type to move out of the square too often reguardless of the rules but I could be wrong.
According to afl.com Hurn played on more than anyone in the comp. So he was already getting a lot of points from playing on. He may now play on even more, thus scoring more, but perhaps not as much as someone who also takes a lot of kick ins but didn't play on very often
Him and WitherGOAT both played on around 52% of the time iirc (could be wrong). It's in that kick-in stats article.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HappyDEZ on January 30, 2019, 01:57:38 PM
Given the rule changes I'm surprised there is no love for Hurn

I think you mean "Premiership Captain Shannon Hurn" but yes I agree mate. Will probably take 95% of our kick ins provided we don't change tactic with the rule changes and give the ball to someone with a bit more pace (Jetta).

To be honest, he's just not a very attractive pick for no reason other than he's 32 this season and coming off a career year. I don't mind him but you're really paying top dollar for him
I agree about paying top dollar off a career best year but at this stage I have Hurn with a view to him being my eventual D6. At worst he goes 85ish. Not great but not the end of the world. Pros are he is durable & if I was the West Coast I would be adding some new plays to the playbook based on Hurn & the new kick in rules. With a run up start he can open up large areas past the 50m arc. In an ideal world (dreaming) he adds 12 to his stats (one kick per quarter) but even if he can add 1/2 that he goes low 100s. Hopefully I am not saying p*** off Jetta too often.

I'd be interested to know how often Hurn kicks long from a kick in. I don't feel like he played on too often but was more used as the safe kick in. Might not be the type to move out of the square too often reguardless of the rules but I could be wrong.
According to afl.com Hurn played on more than anyone in the comp. So he was already getting a lot of points from playing on. He may now play on even more, thus scoring more, but perhaps not as much as someone who also takes a lot of kick ins but didn't play on very often
Him and WitherGOAT both played on around 52% of the time iirc (could be wrong). It's in that kick-in stats article.
Good points you both make. JLT will be interesting.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: elephants on January 30, 2019, 07:58:47 PM
Given the rule changes I'm surprised there is no love for Hurn

I think you mean "Premiership Captain Shannon Hurn" but yes I agree mate. Will probably take 95% of our kick ins provided we don't change tactic with the rule changes and give the ball to someone with a bit more pace (Jetta).

To be honest, he's just not a very attractive pick for no reason other than he's 32 this season and coming off a career year. I don't mind him but you're really paying top dollar for him
I agree about paying top dollar off a career best year but at this stage I have Hurn with a view to him being my eventual D6. At worst he goes 85ish. Not great but not the end of the world. Pros are he is durable & if I was the West Coast I would be adding some new plays to the playbook based on Hurn & the new kick in rules. With a run up start he can open up large areas past the 50m arc. In an ideal world (dreaming) he adds 12 to his stats (one kick per quarter) but even if he can add 1/2 that he goes low 100s. Hopefully I am not saying p*** off Jetta too often.

I'd be interested to know how often Hurn kicks long from a kick in. I don't feel like he played on too often but was more used as the safe kick in. Might not be the type to move out of the square too often reguardless of the rules but I could be wrong.

Funnily enough I (without looking at the stats and just being at home games behind the goals) would say Hurn takes the long bombs to our two talls (2 of JJK, Darling, ruck) while we use Jetta's footskills for the short kicks. As maligned as he is Jetta's creativity and polish down back is actually pivotal to our transition (and flag, remember that? ;D)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Woppa15 on January 30, 2019, 09:14:20 PM
Playing devils advocate here re the new kick in rules. If everyone is expecting players to play on and go for the long bomb won’t teams just set up a deep defensive zone to protect against this and probably be happy to give away the short chip kick and then try and trap the defensive team inside the forward half. Maybe long bombs/play ons will decrease and short kicks will increase.....
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on January 31, 2019, 12:12:47 AM
Given the rule changes I'm surprised there is no love for Hurn

I think you mean "Premiership Captain Shannon Hurn" but yes I agree mate. Will probably take 95% of our kick ins provided we don't change tactic with the rule changes and give the ball to someone with a bit more pace (Jetta).

To be honest, he's just not a very attractive pick for no reason other than he's 32 this season and coming off a career year. I don't mind him but you're really paying top dollar for him
I agree about paying top dollar off a career best year but at this stage I have Hurn with a view to him being my eventual D6. At worst he goes 85ish. Not great but not the end of the world. Pros are he is durable & if I was the West Coast I would be adding some new plays to the playbook based on Hurn & the new kick in rules. With a run up start he can open up large areas past the 50m arc. In an ideal world (dreaming) he adds 12 to his stats (one kick per quarter) but even if he can add 1/2 that he goes low 100s. Hopefully I am not saying p*** off Jetta too often.

I'd be interested to know how often Hurn kicks long from a kick in. I don't feel like he played on too often but was more used as the safe kick in. Might not be the type to move out of the square too often reguardless of the rules but I could be wrong.
According to afl.com Hurn played on more than anyone in the comp. So he was already getting a lot of points from playing on. He may now play on even more, thus scoring more, but perhaps not as much as someone who also takes a lot of kick ins but didn't play on very often
Him and WitherGOAT both played on around 52% of the time iirc (could be wrong). It's in that kick-in stats article.

Well there goes my theory out the door haha
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on January 31, 2019, 06:41:45 AM
Given the rule changes I'm surprised there is no love for Hurn

I think you mean "Premiership Captain Shannon Hurn" but yes I agree mate. Will probably take 95% of our kick ins provided we don't change tactic with the rule changes and give the ball to someone with a bit more pace (Jetta).

To be honest, he's just not a very attractive pick for no reason other than he's 32 this season and coming off a career year. I don't mind him but you're really paying top dollar for him
I agree about paying top dollar off a career best year but at this stage I have Hurn with a view to him being my eventual D6. At worst he goes 85ish. Not great but not the end of the world. Pros are he is durable & if I was the West Coast I would be adding some new plays to the playbook based on Hurn & the new kick in rules. With a run up start he can open up large areas past the 50m arc. In an ideal world (dreaming) he adds 12 to his stats (one kick per quarter) but even if he can add 1/2 that he goes low 100s. Hopefully I am not saying p*** off Jetta too often.

I'd be interested to know how often Hurn kicks long from a kick in. I don't feel like he played on too often but was more used as the safe kick in. Might not be the type to move out of the square too often reguardless of the rules but I could be wrong.
According to afl.com Hurn played on more than anyone in the comp. So he was already getting a lot of points from playing on. He may now play on even more, thus scoring more, but perhaps not as much as someone who also takes a lot of kick ins but didn't play on very often
Him and WitherGOAT both played on around 52% of the time iirc (could be wrong). It's in that kick-in stats article.

Well there goes my theory out the door haha
Well, they still took the most amount of kick-ins so he should see a nice boost regardless aha
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2019, 07:03:30 AM
It was just over 41% for Hurn and Witherden, so if they're already playing on that much and averaging what they did I'm not sure they're going to go much higher

I'd be looking at guys who took a lot of kick ins but didn't play on as much - they're the guys with higher scope
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on January 31, 2019, 08:53:21 AM
It was just over 41% for Hurn and Witherden, so if they're already playing on that much and averaging what they did I'm not sure they're going to go much higher

I'd be looking at guys who took a lot of kick ins but didn't play on as much - they're the guys with higher scope
I think Lloyd and Ryan are the only players in that category from what i can recall. Even with 40% playing on, due to the number of kick-ins they take, Hurn and Withers should still see a very nice increase in points compared to most others.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2019, 09:50:35 AM
It was just over 41% for Hurn and Witherden, so if they're already playing on that much and averaging what they did I'm not sure they're going to go much higher

I'd be looking at guys who took a lot of kick ins but didn't play on as much - they're the guys with higher scope
I think Lloyd and Ryan are the only players in that category from what i can recall. Even with 40% playing on, due to the number of kick-ins they take, Hurn and Withers should still see a very nice increase in points compared to most others.

I'm not sure they will

They kicked to themselves and played on approx 41% of the time, which means they were already getting SC stats for that

Now, in order for them to actually increase their points from this new rule they'd have to increase the amount of times they play on now and kick outside the square, which means they'd have go from 41% to an even higher number. Sure it might happen, but it won't be as much of a difference as opposed to a guy who was only kicking to himself and playing on say 20% of the time because if he now ramps that up to 40-50% it's a big difference and more points, but Hurn/Withers % increase won't be as much therefor not as much extra points

Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: elephants on January 31, 2019, 10:02:30 AM
Playing devils advocate here re the new kick in rules. If everyone is expecting players to play on and go for the long bomb won’t teams just set up a deep defensive zone to protect against this and probably be happy to give away the short chip kick and then try and trap the defensive team inside the forward half. Maybe long bombs/play ons will decrease and short kicks will increase.....

There's just so many ways this could go. I developed a theory last night that had Laird dropping off 10 points plus! At this stage we just have to accept that we have NFI and it''ll be very interesting to see if coaches all run a similar plan or if they have their own way of exploiting the rules
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2019, 10:11:17 AM
Playing devils advocate here re the new kick in rules. If everyone is expecting players to play on and go for the long bomb won’t teams just set up a deep defensive zone to protect against this and probably be happy to give away the short chip kick and then try and trap the defensive team inside the forward half. Maybe long bombs/play ons will decrease and short kicks will increase.....

There's just so many ways this could go. I developed a theory last night that had Laird dropping off 10 points plus! At this stage we just have to accept that we have NFI and it''ll be very interesting to see if coaches all run a similar plan or if they have their own way of exploiting the rules

Shouldn't effect Laird in a negative way at all - he only had 19 kick outs for the entire year, so if anything he might take more kick outs which will only help his scoring even more
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on January 31, 2019, 10:31:04 AM
It was just over 41% for Hurn and Witherden, so if they're already playing on that much and averaging what they did I'm not sure they're going to go much higher

I'd be looking at guys who took a lot of kick ins but didn't play on as much - they're the guys with higher scope
I think Lloyd and Ryan are the only players in that category from what i can recall. Even with 40% playing on, due to the number of kick-ins they take, Hurn and Withers should still see a very nice increase in points compared to most others.

I'm not sure they will

They kicked to themselves and played on approx 41% of the time, which means they were already getting SC stats for that

Now, in order for them to actually increase their points from this new rule they'd have to increase the amount of times they play on now and kick outside the square, which means they'd have go from 41% to an even higher number. Sure it might happen, but it won't be as much of a difference as opposed to a guy who was only kicking to himself and playing on say 20% of the time because if he now ramps that up to 40-50% it's a big difference and more points, but Hurn/Withers % increase won't be as much therefor not as much extra points
I prefer to look at it from the pov of # of times they didnt play on. For Hurn and Withers its around 70, whereas for some other players who dont play on as much (excluding Lloyd and Ryan), even if only going at say 20%, it'd probably be around that 70 mark again, if that. I can easily see guys like Hurn and Withers ramping it up to over 60% played on, because why wouldn't you. Can gain an extra 10m on the kickouts most of the time. And that 20% increase would be an extra 25 or so for the year, whereas a 30% increase (for example) for some of these other players would basically be the same increase in total extra play-ons from kick-ins.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on January 31, 2019, 11:24:12 AM
Just remember this year Rich will be playing up the field and he took a number of kick ins (although not kicking to himself)  and these will fall back to Withers especially with Gardiners injury as well. Reason why I have Withers in my team at the moment.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: elephants on January 31, 2019, 12:22:10 PM
Playing devils advocate here re the new kick in rules. If everyone is expecting players to play on and go for the long bomb won’t teams just set up a deep defensive zone to protect against this and probably be happy to give away the short chip kick and then try and trap the defensive team inside the forward half. Maybe long bombs/play ons will decrease and short kicks will increase.....

There's just so many ways this could go. I developed a theory last night that had Laird dropping off 10 points plus! At this stage we just have to accept that we have NFI and it''ll be very interesting to see if coaches all run a similar plan or if they have their own way of exploiting the rules

Shouldn't effect Laird in a negative way at all - he only had 19 kick outs for the entire year, so if anything he might take more kick outs which will only help his scoring even more

Another way to look at it - Laird only took 19 kickouts and now add in Brodie Smith who generally takes a good cut. Even less of the pie to go around! That and *if* teams just use that extra 10m to bomb long theres a lot less chipping around kick/mark that Laird thrived on last year. As I said before though it is an if, nobody knows how the coaches will run it
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: duffercoat on January 31, 2019, 12:28:37 PM
Playing devils advocate here re the new kick in rules. If everyone is expecting players to play on and go for the long bomb won’t teams just set up a deep defensive zone to protect against this and probably be happy to give away the short chip kick and then try and trap the defensive team inside the forward half. Maybe long bombs/play ons will decrease and short kicks will increase.....

There's just so many ways this could go. I developed a theory last night that had Laird dropping off 10 points plus! At this stage we just have to accept that we have NFI and it''ll be very interesting to see if coaches all run a similar plan or if they have their own way of exploiting the rules

Shouldn't effect Laird in a negative way at all - he only had 19 kick outs for the entire year, so if anything he might take more kick outs which will only help his scoring even more

How many kick ins did he mark though? If the kick ins used to be short to Laird in the pocket then he could be in line to lose a significant number of points overall.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2019, 01:02:11 PM
I think people are grossly overestimating how much this is going to actually change the game

Just because the square is longer, and the player kicking in doesn't have to kick it to himself first, doesn't mean all of a sudden now they are always going to kick long

The short kick will still be used a lot, surely?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: shaker on January 31, 2019, 01:15:29 PM
I think people are grossly overestimating how much this is going to actually change the game

Just because the square is longer, and the player kicking in doesn't have to kick it to himself first, doesn't mean all of a sudden now they are always going to kick long

The short kick will still be used a lot, surely?
Of course the quick kick from the square that still scores 0 will still be used if a team mate has got into space , remember coaches and players are not thinking about SC
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on January 31, 2019, 01:56:52 PM
I think people are grossly overestimating how much this is going to actually change the game

Just because the square is longer, and the player kicking in doesn't have to kick it to himself first, doesn't mean all of a sudden now they are always going to kick long

The short kick will still be used a lot, surely?

The square isn't longer though. The man on the mark just has to be further back which will mean the square is basically irrelevant. Gives them more space to move out of the square forward or either side even if they are only going Short. Going to be interesting
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HappyDEZ on January 31, 2019, 02:03:41 PM
I think people are grossly overestimating how much this is going to actually change the game

Just because the square is longer, and the player kicking in doesn't have to kick it to himself first, doesn't mean all of a sudden now they are always going to kick long

The short kick will still be used a lot, surely?

The square isn't longer though. The man on the mark just has to be further back which will mean the square is basically irrelevant. Gives them more space to move out of the square forward or either side even if they are only going Short. Going to be interesting
True enough but every time a player kicks long to the flank they go within a few inches of the goal square line. Nearly 100% of those kicks will now take place outside of the goal square.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on January 31, 2019, 02:11:58 PM
I think people are grossly overestimating how much this is going to actually change the game

Just because the square is longer, and the player kicking in doesn't have to kick it to himself first, doesn't mean all of a sudden now they are always going to kick long

The short kick will still be used a lot, surely?

The square isn't longer though. The man on the mark just has to be further back which will mean the square is basically irrelevant. Gives them more space to move out of the square forward or either side even if they are only going Short. Going to be interesting
True enough but every time a player kicks long to the flank they go within a few inches of the goal square line. Nearly 100% of those kicks will now take place outside of the goal square.

Yeah that's what I mean, even short kicks to the pocket they will step outside a lot of the time because there's nothing stopping them and no frontal pressure
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HappyDEZ on January 31, 2019, 02:53:18 PM
I think people are grossly overestimating how much this is going to actually change the game

Just because the square is longer, and the player kicking in doesn't have to kick it to himself first, doesn't mean all of a sudden now they are always going to kick long

The short kick will still be used a lot, surely?

The square isn't longer though. The man on the mark just has to be further back which will mean the square is basically irrelevant. Gives them more space to move out of the square forward or either side even if they are only going Short. Going to be interesting
True enough but every time a player kicks long to the flank they go within a few inches of the goal square line. Nearly 100% of those kicks will now take place outside of the goal square.

Yeah that's what I mean, even short kicks to the pocket they will step outside a lot of the time because there's nothing stopping them and no frontal pressure
+1
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: elephants on January 31, 2019, 04:34:25 PM
I think people are grossly overestimating how much this is going to actually change the game

Just because the square is longer, and the player kicking in doesn't have to kick it to himself first, doesn't mean all of a sudden now they are always going to kick long

The short kick will still be used a lot, surely?

That's just it! Nobody knows yet because we havent seen anything. The whole point of changing the man on the mark is to decrease the impact of fwd zones as it's much easier to cover fwd flank to fwd flank than it is to cover wing to wing. Gonna be extremely interesting and I actually think a few players will suffer/benefit massively

Makes this upcoming JLT the most interesting yet haha
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on February 05, 2019, 08:11:42 AM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-02-05/who-will-get-a-fantasy-scoring-boost-thanks-to-new-rules

Article from the AFL looking at who benefits from change in rules. Although scoring based on AF would expect similar in SC. Article goes through all clubs and has a table at the end. Their conclusion is Ryan and Lloyd will be the biggest beneficiaries. Two that maybe worth watching in JLT at cheaper prices are Steven May and Luke Brown.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: shaker on February 05, 2019, 08:42:32 AM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-02-05/who-will-get-a-fantasy-scoring-boost-thanks-to-new-rules

Article from the AFL looking at who benefits from change in rules. Although scoring based on AF would expect similar in SC. Article goes through all clubs and has a table at the end. Their conclusion is Ryan and Lloyd will be the biggest beneficiaries. Two that maybe worth watching in JLT at cheaper prices are Steven May and Luke Brown.
Yes the coaches will be trying new things in the JLT with this new rule and could we see the an increase of big booming torps now with more time and less pressure I hope so , this could add more points to even a bigger group of players.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: elephants on February 05, 2019, 09:58:38 AM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-02-05/who-will-get-a-fantasy-scoring-boost-thanks-to-new-rules

Article from the AFL looking at who benefits from change in rules. Although scoring based on AF would expect similar in SC. Article goes through all clubs and has a table at the end. Their conclusion is Ryan and Lloyd will be the biggest beneficiaries. Two that maybe worth watching in JLT at cheaper prices are Steven May and Luke Brown.

This will be the key this season to defenders and probably your whole season. The more designated kickers you can jag the better. I had a look through the teams and most sides have anywhere from 1-3 players that could make kickouts their own. Strategy will also be extremely important, do teams opt for the biggest kick in their team (like a Suckling/Short)? Or do they look for someone with elite pace that can burn off their opponent and add an extra 15-20m that way (Williams/McKenna).

Bad examples there as all play for different clubs but it applies to almost every team.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: eg6914 on February 05, 2019, 10:33:35 AM
Has anyone thought about the effect the zoning rule is going to have on defenders.

I feel like players that play the Spitter role are going to see a drop off in points rather than the kick-in players seeing a rise.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Woppa15 on February 05, 2019, 12:12:50 PM
Has anyone thought about the effect the zoning rule is going to have on defenders.

I feel like players that play the Spitter role are going to see a drop off in points rather than the kick-in players seeing a rise.

It will definitely be a lot more difficult to leave your man and take intercept marks and obviously won’t be the option to just float around as a spare back.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Gigantor on February 05, 2019, 12:45:57 PM
Has anyone thought about the effect the zoning rule is going to have on defenders.

I feel like players that play the Spitter role are going to see a drop off in points rather than the kick-in players seeing a rise.

It will definitely be a lot more difficult to leave your man and take intercept marks and obviously won’t be the option to just float around as a spare back.

The zoning rule is only for center bounces, shouldn't have that much of an impact
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: eg6914 on February 05, 2019, 01:21:24 PM
Has anyone thought about the effect the zoning rule is going to have on defenders.

I feel like players that play the Spitter role are going to see a drop off in points rather than the kick-in players seeing a rise.

It will definitely be a lot more difficult to leave your man and take intercept marks and obviously won’t be the option to just float around as a spare back.

The zoning rule is only for center bounces, shouldn't have that much of an impact
That's why I think only the players that play the spitter role may get impacted - as the new rules basically wipe out that role now
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Pokerface on February 05, 2019, 01:40:18 PM
Has anyone thought about the effect the zoning rule is going to have on defenders.

I feel like players that play the Spitter role are going to see a drop off in points rather than the kick-in players seeing a rise.

It will definitely be a lot more difficult to leave your man and take intercept marks and obviously won’t be the option to just float around as a spare back.

The zoning rule is only for center bounces, shouldn't have that much of an impact

Think you'll see alot more centre bounces though - scoring should increase as a sum of all the new rules
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: eaglesman on February 05, 2019, 02:10:16 PM
Playing devils advocate here re the new kick in rules. If everyone is expecting players to play on and go for the long bomb won’t teams just set up a deep defensive zone to protect against this and probably be happy to give away the short chip kick and then try and trap the defensive team inside the forward half. Maybe long bombs/play ons will decrease and short kicks will increase.....

There's just so many ways this could go. I developed a theory last night that had Laird dropping off 10 points plus! At this stage we just have to accept that we have NFI and it''ll be very interesting to see if coaches all run a similar plan or if they have their own way of exploiting the rules

Shouldn't effect Laird in a negative way at all - he only had 19 kick outs for the entire year, so if anything he might take more kick outs which will only help his scoring even more

How many kick ins did he mark though? If the kick ins used to be short to Laird in the pocket then he could be in line to lose a significant number of points overall.

Exactly right!

It will definitely impact lairds scoring.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on February 05, 2019, 02:16:50 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-02-05/who-will-get-a-fantasy-scoring-boost-thanks-to-new-rules

Article from the AFL looking at who benefits from change in rules. Although scoring based on AF would expect similar in SC. Article goes through all clubs and has a table at the end. Their conclusion is Ryan and Lloyd will be the biggest beneficiaries. Two that maybe worth watching in JLT at cheaper prices are Steven May and Luke Brown.

Scary to think Jake Lloyds numbers are probably going to rise
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: rebird on February 05, 2019, 03:36:06 PM
Secondary question is that if there is this increase in points allocated due to the change in kickins (and ruck / 6-6-6), where is the corresponding loss since SC is a set 3300 odd points? Are we going to see less tackles / intercept marks etc.?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 05, 2019, 03:47:31 PM
What am I missing here?

Just because the player doesn't have to kick the ball to themselves before running over the square line, and because the oppo has to now be 10m away from the square line, why is everyone talking like we're never going to see short kicks again??

6-6-6 only applies to centre square bounces doesn't it? So if teams start flooding the 50-60m area to counter the long kick, then the short kick will continue to be used regularly won't it?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 05, 2019, 03:49:46 PM
Secondary question is that if there is this increase in points allocated due to the change in kickins (and ruck / 6-6-6), where is the corresponding loss since SC is a set 3300 odd points? Are we going to see less tackles / intercept marks etc.?

The kicks in are just normal kicks, and handballs now count too

I can't see how it would really impact the overall 3300 being spread around - every game will still be scaled at the end too so there really isn't any difference here other than an 20 - 30 kicks and a few handballs now per match being counted
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: elephants on February 05, 2019, 04:03:45 PM
Playing devils advocate here re the new kick in rules. If everyone is expecting players to play on and go for the long bomb won’t teams just set up a deep defensive zone to protect against this and probably be happy to give away the short chip kick and then try and trap the defensive team inside the forward half. Maybe long bombs/play ons will decrease and short kicks will increase.....

There's just so many ways this could go. I developed a theory last night that had Laird dropping off 10 points plus! At this stage we just have to accept that we have NFI and it''ll be very interesting to see if coaches all run a similar plan or if they have their own way of exploiting the rules

Shouldn't effect Laird in a negative way at all - he only had 19 kick outs for the entire year, so if anything he might take more kick outs which will only help his scoring even more

How many kick ins did he mark though? If the kick ins used to be short to Laird in the pocket then he could be in line to lose a significant number of points overall.

Exactly right!

It will definitely impact lairds scoring.

But what's to stop teams still employing a short kick tactic? The zones will be even deeper now meaning theoretically there should be even more short kick gaps.

That's about the point I got to where I said "I am overthinking this to the stage where there is no current clear answer" Can only wait and watch JLT I think but even then coaches wont be showing all their cards.

Safest call is to suggest it will even out. Laird wont be on kickins (that's BSmith) but he will probably get just as many short kicks
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 05, 2019, 04:18:43 PM
Playing devils advocate here re the new kick in rules. If everyone is expecting players to play on and go for the long bomb won’t teams just set up a deep defensive zone to protect against this and probably be happy to give away the short chip kick and then try and trap the defensive team inside the forward half. Maybe long bombs/play ons will decrease and short kicks will increase.....

There's just so many ways this could go. I developed a theory last night that had Laird dropping off 10 points plus! At this stage we just have to accept that we have NFI and it''ll be very interesting to see if coaches all run a similar plan or if they have their own way of exploiting the rules

Shouldn't effect Laird in a negative way at all - he only had 19 kick outs for the entire year, so if anything he might take more kick outs which will only help his scoring even more

How many kick ins did he mark though? If the kick ins used to be short to Laird in the pocket then he could be in line to lose a significant number of points overall.

Exactly right!

It will definitely impact lairds scoring.

But what's to stop teams still employing a short kick tactic? The zones will be even deeper now meaning theoretically there should be even more short kick gaps.

That's about the point I got to where I said "I am overthinking this to the stage where there is no current clear answer" Can only wait and watch JLT I think but even then coaches wont be showing all their cards.

Safest call is to suggest it will even out. Laird wont be on kickins (that's BSmith) but he will probably get just as many short kicks

I agree

What am I missing here?

Just because the player doesn't have to kick the ball to themselves before running over the square line, and because the oppo has to now be 10m away from the square line, why is everyone talking like we're never going to see short kicks again??

6-6-6 only applies to centre square bounces doesn't it? So if teams start flooding the 50-60m area to counter the long kick, then the short kick will continue to be used regularly won't it?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on February 05, 2019, 04:47:07 PM
Secondary question is that if there is this increase in points allocated due to the change in kickins (and ruck / 6-6-6), where is the corresponding loss since SC is a set 3300 odd points? Are we going to see less tackles / intercept marks etc.?
maybe less points to allocate at games conclusion and we will not see the 20 points for a winning goal etc. Finally if this translates to extra points SC CD may become more transparent. 
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on February 05, 2019, 10:24:29 PM
What am I missing here?

Just because the player doesn't have to kick the ball to themselves before running over the square line, and because the oppo has to now be 10m away from the square line, why is everyone talking like we're never going to see short kicks again??

6-6-6 only applies to centre square bounces doesn't it? So if teams start flooding the 50-60m area to counter the long kick, then the short kick will continue to be used regularly won't it?

Teams aren't going to change their game plan and bomb it to congestion for an extra 10 meters.

What you might see is guys running laterally and playing on quickly, but this will probably hurt designated kickers if they aren't back there to take the kick with pace of ball movement the key to beating a zone. This might result in an even spread of say three or 4 guys taking the kicks compare to one. You will also have guys stepping on or over the line to gain possessions which were not there before.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 06, 2019, 07:10:52 AM
right now my defense is Lloyd, Witherden, Smith, Roberton based on value and kick in rule

and allows me to have Danger, Smith, Heeney, Dunkley in fwds
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: elephants on February 06, 2019, 08:58:11 AM
right now my defense is Lloyd, Witherden, Smith, Roberton based on value and kick in rule

and allows me to have Danger, Smith, Heeney, Dunkley in fwds

You're gonna be disappointed when Savage turns out to be the main kicker for St Kilda with Jimmy Webster in support :P Take Williams instead!
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 06, 2019, 09:01:42 AM
right now my defense is Lloyd, Witherden, Smith, Roberton based on value and kick in rule

and allows me to have Danger, Smith, Heeney, Dunkley in fwds

You're gonna be disappointed when Savage turns out to be the main kicker for St Kilda with Jimmy Webster in support :P Take Williams instead!

i said based on value to which is why Roberton is in
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: elephants on February 06, 2019, 09:11:12 AM
right now my defense is Lloyd, Witherden, Smith, Roberton based on value and kick in rule

and allows me to have Danger, Smith, Heeney, Dunkley in fwds

You're gonna be disappointed when Savage turns out to be the main kicker for St Kilda with Jimmy Webster in support :P Take Williams instead!

i said based on value to which is why Roberton is in

Fair, but no Williams hurts my eyes!
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: _wato on February 06, 2019, 09:36:51 AM
Much love for Sicily around these parts ???
Tempting to start him at D1. Any reason not to?

All 8 of his tons were 110+, and only 2 scores under 85 so very reliable.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 06, 2019, 09:42:15 AM
Much love for Sicily around these parts ???
Tempting to start him at D1. Any reason not to?

All 8 of his tons were 110+, and only 2 scores under 85 so very reliable.

Takes his fair share of kick ins too - I've tried fitting him in because I think he is easily one of the best def scorers, but because he misses games usually I just can't pick him over Lloyd or Laird who I think should score the same but are more durable
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: elephants on February 06, 2019, 09:44:21 AM
Much love for Sicily around these parts ???
Tempting to start him at D1. Any reason not to?

All 8 of his tons were 110+, and only 2 scores under 85 so very reliable.

Takes his fair share of kick ins too - I've tried fitting him in because I think he is easily one of the best def scorers, but because he misses games usually I just can't pick him over Lloyd or Laird who I think should score the same but are more durable

I've currently got him. No reason he wont be a top 3 defender, only issue is missing games through injury and suspension.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Colley Dogs on February 07, 2019, 07:14:18 AM
Much love for Sicily around these parts ???
Tempting to start him at D1. Any reason not to?

All 8 of his tons were 110+, and only 2 scores under 85 so very reliable.

Takes his fair share of kick ins too - I've tried fitting him in because I think he is easily one of the best def scorers, but because he misses games usually I just can't pick him over Lloyd or Laird who I think should score the same but are more durable

I have Sicily - Ryan - Williams - Smith - Rookie - Rookie.

Ideally would love Laird/Lloyd alongside Sicily, but can’t afford it for balance on other lines. I’ve been surprised there hasn’t been more mention of him. I suppose it’s because Whitfield offers better value. Personally I’m staying away from Whitfield. For me it’s Sicily + and I’m not wavering from that.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Rusty00 on February 07, 2019, 10:20:43 AM
Birchall has stated "It will be highly unlikely I will be ready for round one"

https://www.themercury.com.au/sport/afl/hawk-grant-birchall-eyeing-earlyseason-return-after-long-injury-layoff/news-story/5cc143418a85517af2b4bd8cc6157ea2 (https://www.themercury.com.au/sport/afl/hawk-grant-birchall-eyeing-earlyseason-return-after-long-injury-layoff/news-story/5cc143418a85517af2b4bd8cc6157ea2)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: ubeaut on February 07, 2019, 10:27:59 AM
Birchall has stated "It will be highly unlikely I will be ready for round one"

https://www.themercury.com.au/sport/afl/hawk-grant-birchall-eyeing-earlyseason-return-after-long-injury-layoff/news-story/5cc143418a85517af2b4bd8cc6157ea2 (https://www.themercury.com.au/sport/afl/hawk-grant-birchall-eyeing-earlyseason-return-after-long-injury-layoff/news-story/5cc143418a85517af2b4bd8cc6157ea2)
In other news water is wet and the sky is blue. Was never going to happen.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Nige on February 07, 2019, 10:34:48 AM
Birchall has stated "It will be highly unlikely I will be ready for round one"

https://www.themercury.com.au/sport/afl/hawk-grant-birchall-eyeing-earlyseason-return-after-long-injury-layoff/news-story/5cc143418a85517af2b4bd8cc6157ea2 (https://www.themercury.com.au/sport/afl/hawk-grant-birchall-eyeing-earlyseason-return-after-long-injury-layoff/news-story/5cc143418a85517af2b4bd8cc6157ea2)
In other news water is wet and the sky is blue. Was never going to happen.
Glad I wasn't the only one thinking this.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on February 07, 2019, 10:48:18 AM
Birchall has stated "It will be highly unlikely I will be ready for round one"

https://www.themercury.com.au/sport/afl/hawk-grant-birchall-eyeing-earlyseason-return-after-long-injury-layoff/news-story/5cc143418a85517af2b4bd8cc6157ea2 (https://www.themercury.com.au/sport/afl/hawk-grant-birchall-eyeing-earlyseason-return-after-long-injury-layoff/news-story/5cc143418a85517af2b4bd8cc6157ea2)
In other news water is wet and the sky is blue. Was never going to happen.
Glad I wasn't the only one thinking this.
Surely nobody expected him to play rd1 though. Suuuurely.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Big Mac on February 07, 2019, 11:07:50 AM
water is not wet
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 07, 2019, 11:14:23 AM
At least he's being a gentleman and telling us all now to not even toy with the idea of having him in our sides

Thanks Birch!
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on February 07, 2019, 11:18:02 AM
At least he's being a gentleman and telling us all now to not even toy with the idea of having him in our sides

Thanks Birch!
Surely nobody was toying with the idea though. Suuuurely.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Hawka on February 07, 2019, 11:42:30 AM
At least he's being a gentleman and telling us all now to not even toy with the idea of having him in our sides

Thanks Birch!
Surely nobody was toying with the idea though. Suuuurely.
If hes fit he can go 80+ but yea will miss games even if fit
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: hawkers65 on February 07, 2019, 12:20:58 PM
Hopefully Scrim has done some work this pre-season then, cause Burton traded the ideal replacement was Birch but with him gone fringe players like Glass, Miles and Scrim are probably the likely replacements
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on February 07, 2019, 12:57:44 PM
Hopefully Scrim has done some work this pre-season then, cause Burton traded the ideal replacement was Birch but with him gone fringe players like Glass, Miles and Scrim are probably the likely replacements

All the talk from GC was that Scrimshaw was lacking professionalism, would be very surprised if he's turned things around in a few months.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Nige on February 07, 2019, 01:51:45 PM
Hopefully Scrim has done some work this pre-season then, cause Burton traded the ideal replacement was Birch but with him gone fringe players like Glass, Miles and Scrim are probably the likely replacements

All the talk from GC was that Scrimshaw was lacking professionalism, would be very surprised if he's turned things around in a few months.
People like clutching at straws this time of year and will look for the smallest positive to try and pick a player. Scrim's definitely not getting up for Round 1 and neither is Birch.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 07, 2019, 02:09:48 PM
water is not wet
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Hawka on February 07, 2019, 02:42:38 PM
Hopefully Scrim has done some work this pre-season then, cause Burton traded the ideal replacement was Birch but with him gone fringe players like Glass, Miles and Scrim are probably the likely replacements
Scrim not with the full group yet, didnt do a match sim last week, just boxing and laps
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on February 07, 2019, 03:21:48 PM
This is good. More players need to take a leaf out of Birchalls book and be honest so we don't have to stuff around
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on February 12, 2019, 11:28:09 AM
Interesting stat from the first 2 rounds of the AFLW. Obviusly coaches in AFL will be different but in general lfting the play on from 27% ro 71% may be an indication of what is ro come.

Interesting kick in play on numbers after two rounds of AFLW. Collingwood has played on 93% of the time (most) and Kangaroos 27% (least). Comp average is 71%, up from 27% in 2018 and 18% in 2017.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on February 12, 2019, 11:41:19 AM
Interesting stat from the first 2 rounds of the AFLW. Obviusly coaches in AFL will be different but in general lfting the play on from 27% ro 71% may be an indication of what is ro come.

Interesting kick in play on numbers after two rounds of AFLW. Collingwood has played on 93% of the time (most) and Kangaroos 27% (least). Comp average is 71%, up from 27% in 2018 and 18% in 2017.
That is a massive jump
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Woppa15 on February 12, 2019, 07:21:20 PM
Am I mental to consider not starting any of Lloyd, Laird, Sicily and instead going D1-4 guys like Withers, Mills, Ryan, Williams. Frees up a lot of cash not starting any defender over 500k.

In previous years I’ve always tried to start 2 genuine premos in defence and build from there but this year seems like I could almost comfortably forgo that method.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: shaker on February 12, 2019, 07:43:24 PM
Am I mental to consider not starting any of Lloyd, Laird, Sicily and instead going D1-4 guys like Withers, Mills, Ryan, Williams. Frees up a lot of cash not starting any defender over 500k.

In previous years I’ve always tried to start 2 genuine premos in defence and build from there but this year seems like I could almost comfortably forgo that method.
Well if there was ever a year to do it this is it.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: _wato on February 12, 2019, 09:58:35 PM
Am I mental to consider not starting any of Lloyd, Laird, Sicily and instead going D1-4 guys like Withers, Mills, Ryan, Williams. Frees up a lot of cash not starting any defender over 500k.

In previous years I’ve always tried to start 2 genuine premos in defence and build from there but this year seems like I could almost comfortably forgo that method.
Well if there was ever a year to do it this is it.

Don't see the point, taking a punt on 3 guys who are unlikely top 6 from the get go. Yeah you might get a better start but over the course of the year when you have those guys from D3-6 and maybe Lloyd and Laird you'll be missing out on Sicily, Whitfield, Simmo for example. Not for me
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on February 12, 2019, 11:19:56 PM
I think you need 1 guy over 500k and that's Laird. I can see the value in grabbing a couple of guys like Williams/Mills and holding onto them with a bunch of rookies and stepping stones. I probably wouldn't want to be locked into 5 of the not quite there guys though.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: dmac07 on February 14, 2019, 05:06:38 PM
Hurn anyone...?

Averaged 97 last year, played 21-22 games last four years in a row. Took 62% of WC kick ins last year (Witherdan 51% at Bris), played on at the same rate as Witherdan. WC biggest strength is their marking, and with Hurns biggest weapon the long kick I'd expect him to play on even more and go long.

Is 31 years old so could start to decline but no major injuries or issues the last few years. Previously usually averaged in the 85-95 average range though.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: bowyanger on February 14, 2019, 08:21:44 PM
Am I mental to consider not starting any of Lloyd, Laird, Sicily and instead going D1-4 guys like Withers, Mills, Ryan, Williams. Frees up a lot of cash not starting any defender over 500k.

In previous years I’ve always tried to start 2 genuine premos in defence and build from there but this year seems like I could almost comfortably forgo that method.
Well if there was ever a year to do it this is it.

Mate theres plenty of value below 500K....
Starting with the breakouts is the name of the game....jag a few and your well on your way to success

There are always players every year in every position that come from no where to become either keepers or stepping stones through your team...there are so many things that can influence a players output that at the end of the day luck plays the major part

Im pretty sure not many had Sicily pencilled in to go bang last year or Shaw to flop


Im looking at Webster, McGrath, Witherden, Perryman, Clarke and even Vlastuin has increased output more and more over the years and I just know he is going to go bang very soon and Im gonna miss the train
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 18, 2019, 06:30:02 AM
Article on AFL website interviewing Shane Savage, and it states he will be taking the bulk of their kick outs, with Webster and Roberton the other two supporting
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: eaglesman on February 18, 2019, 07:06:37 AM
Strongly considering Sicily over laird .... anyone else keen on Sicily ?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ricochet on February 18, 2019, 08:11:48 AM
Strongly considering Sicily over laird .... anyone else keen on Sicily ?
Yep i have him over Laird atm
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 18, 2019, 08:53:09 AM
Strongly considering Sicily over laird .... anyone else keen on Sicily ?

I reckon 105+ is a lock - should easily be a Top 5, if not Top 3

It's just the missing games potential that is stopping me at the moment.

Do you think there's a chance more sides will start to put a forward tag on him now too?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on February 18, 2019, 08:59:32 AM
Strongly considering Sicily over laird .... anyone else keen on Sicily ?

I reckon 105+ is a lock - should easily be a Top 5, if not Top 3

It's just the missing games potential that is stopping me at the moment.

Do you think there's a chance more sides will start to put a forward tag on him now too?
A lock for 105+ wowee, who are you, Sergeant Speculation?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on February 18, 2019, 09:04:00 AM
Strongly considering Sicily over laird .... anyone else keen on Sicily ?

I reckon 105+ is a lock - should easily be a Top 5, if not Top 3

It's just the missing games potential that is stopping me at the moment.

Do you think there's a chance more sides will start to put a forward tag on him now too?
A llittle difficult to say but need to watch JLT for all defenders to see how the 6-6-6 effects these type of players.  Will they need to be more accountable with the supposed quicker movement.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: elephants on February 18, 2019, 09:13:25 AM
Strongly considering Sicily over laird .... anyone else keen on Sicily ?
Yep i have him over Laird atm

+1

Article on AFL website interviewing Shane Savage, and it states he will be taking the bulk of their kick outs, with Webster and Roberton the other two supporting

Yep very keen, in fantasy I am almost certainly locking him in. Could add another 15 to his average and get North of the 95 slot which if nothing else is a juicy stepping stone later on. The kickins should ensure he turns those odd stinky high 50s low 60s into serviceable 75+ scores
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Woppa15 on February 18, 2019, 09:40:17 AM
Strongly considering Sicily over laird .... anyone else keen on Sicily ?
Yep i have him over Laird atm

Currently have both
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: _wato on February 18, 2019, 11:17:05 AM
Love Sicily. Just keep going back to, how many games will he play.

Hence why I’m looking at Simmo. No chance of slowing down and no Doc, should play 22 games. Missed 6 games in 13 years.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: eaglesman on February 18, 2019, 11:34:27 AM
Love Sicily. Just keep going back to, how many games will he play.

Hence why I’m looking at Simmo. No chance of slowing down and no Doc, should play 22 games. Missed 6 games in 13 years.

I’m on the same page either Sicily or Simmo over laird for me currently.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Big Mac on February 18, 2019, 12:00:43 PM
Love Sicily. Just keep going back to, how many games will he play.

Hence why I’m looking at Simmo. No chance of slowing down and no Doc, should play 22 games. Missed 6 games in 13 years.

I’m on the same page either Sicily or Simmo over laird for me currently.

They’re both good picks but why are you keen on them over Laird?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: ben_020285 on February 18, 2019, 12:39:52 PM
Love Sicily. Just keep going back to, how many games will he play.

Hence why I’m looking at Simmo. No chance of slowing down and no Doc, should play 22 games. Missed 6 games in 13 years.

Yes Simmo, the 34 year old who turns 35 in May, has no chance of slowing down. Absolutely no chance at all.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 18, 2019, 12:40:51 PM
Love Sicily. Just keep going back to, how many games will he play.

Hence why I’m looking at Simmo. No chance of slowing down and no Doc, should play 22 games. Missed 6 games in 13 years.

I’m on the same page either Sicily or Simmo over laird for me currently.

They’re both good picks but why are you keen on them over Laird?

Lloyd, Laird, Sicily and Simmo. You can easily make a case to pick any of them. I think it just comes down to personal preference or flipping a coin, because other than a Sicily dummy spit there is nothing splitting those 4 in terms of durability, scoring potential etc. I think Simmo will be the lowest of the 4 in scoring though, but there won't be a huge amount in it



Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on February 18, 2019, 12:41:42 PM
Just finding it hard to see why the love of Laird is dying.  Looking at last 4 years

Laird
2015 - 93.8 (21 games)
2016 - 96.8 (17 games)
2017 - 100.2 (22 games)
2018 - 108.2 (21 games)

Simpson
2015 - 92.7 (20 games)
2016 - 106.4 (22 games)
2017 - 93.9 (22 games)
2018 - 105. (21 games)

Sicily
2015 - 59 (3 games)
2016 - 63.6 (21 games)
2017 - 73.3 (19 games)
2018 - 105.1 (14 games)

Can see the point of tossing up between Laird and Simpson although Simpson at 10 years older is the drawback.  Sicily is 1 year younger than Laird but yet to play full season due to suspensions and injuries,

Just Personal but may rankings would be Laird, Simpson and Sicily.

Will be monitoring JLT though to see what the effect of the 6-6-6 setup at centre bounces has.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 18, 2019, 12:43:32 PM
Just finding it hard to see why the love of Laird is dying.  Looking at last 4 years

Because people seem to think the new kick out rule is going to ruin him? The short kick is dead they think? It's the only logical explanation

Hasn't left my side once
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on February 18, 2019, 12:50:04 PM
Just finding it hard to see why the love of Laird is dying.  Looking at last 4 years

Because people seem to think the new kick out rule is going to ruin him? The short kick is dead they think? It's the only logical explanation

Hasn't left my side once
Laird has been in my side since day 1 as well.  Maybe new rules will effect him but it is a wait and see in JLT as it will have to be weighed up against centre bounce structures.  One of the reason I will be watching JLT closely is if this set up increases scoring then need to watch defenders closely. Also as you said the new kick in rule as well. So we are dealing with guesswork at the moment until we see the new rules in practice. It has opened yup in a couple of the AFLW games I have watched.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: ubeaut on February 18, 2019, 02:09:35 PM
Anyone else questioning spending 570 - 600k on the top 4 defenders? It's usually 550k max we spend on that line, and it's hard to justify when players like Dusty/Crouch/Merrett are cheaper. I know they outscored these guys last year, hence the prices, but injury played a part in that.

What are the chances of backing up 112,108,105 averages?
 Lloyd at 112 especially, given previous high of 87.
Sicily I enjoyed having from the start, but he was over 100k cheaper. There are question marks like suspension/injury risks, more attention from opposition, affect of new zoning rules. Like Lloyd it was his only premo year.
Simpson is durable as hell, but usually goes at 95 max. Often has an off game or two to enable a cheaper pick up later on. How long can he defy age? Will Newman steal 5 - 10 points a game?
Laird seems the "safest" option given scoring history, but 108 is hard to back up for a non midfielder.
If you spend this much on a midfield pick, you want 105 minimum, and bank on them being very likely to go 110-115. Can we say that for Lloyd, Laird ,Simmo, Sicily?
So it should apply to any line, even though we expect defenders to score less and are happy with 95+, 600k is 600k.
Given how hard it is to build a well balanced side with Danger, Cripps, Gawn, Grundy, Macrae so expensive, I think only 1 of the top 4 defenders is the go, or even 0.
I see value in Williams, Whitfield, Witherden or maybe even Mills/Newman pending their roles.
Bottom line is if I'm spending 570 - 600k I want 105+ no matter what line it's on.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 18, 2019, 02:31:52 PM
Anyone else questioning spending 570 - 600k on the top 4 defenders? It's usually 550k max we spend on that line, and it's hard to justify when players like Dusty/Crouch/Merrett are cheaper. I know they outscored these guys last year, hence the prices, but injury played a part in that.

What are the chances of backing up 112,108,105 averages?
 Lloyd at 112 especially, given previous high of 87.
Sicily I enjoyed having from the start, but he was over 100k cheaper. There are question marks like suspension/injury risks, more attention from opposition, affect of new zoning rules. Like Lloyd it was his only premo year.
Simpson is durable as hell, but usually goes at 95 max. Often has an off game or two to enable a cheaper pick up later on. How long can he defy age? Will Newman steal 5 - 10 points a game?
Laird seems the "safest" option given scoring history, but 108 is hard to back up for a non midfielder.
If you spend this much on a midfield pick, you want 105 minimum, and bank on them being very likely to go 110-115. Can we say that for Lloyd, Laird ,Simmo, Sicily?
So it should apply to any line, even though we expect defenders to score less and are happy with 95+, 600k is 600k.
Given how hard it is to build a well balanced side with Danger, Cripps, Gawn, Grundy, Macrae so expensive, I think only 1 of the top 4 defenders is the go, or even 0.
I see value in Williams, Whitfield, Witherden or maybe even Mills/Newman pending their roles.
Bottom line is if I'm spending 570 - 600k I want 105+ no matter what line it's on.

I get what you're saying re spending that much, but for me the price is somewhat secondary

When I pick prems to start, I am picking guys who I think will finish the year as the highest on that line - that's the goal for me, and price is secondary

If I was to start Whitfield, Witherden, Williams (which isn't horrible) then what happens if the 4 expensive guys all go 100+ and remain the top defenders of the year? It will be hard for me to get them, and I'll be stuck with the second tier guys

It's the same with Rucks etc too. I don't care if they drop in value and I could have got them cheaper later, because I know how hard it is to actually get them, and when your priority is getting rookies off field, dealing with injuries etc it's near impossible to fund getting the big guys, so I just start the guys I think will be the best, and their price is secondary to that

Just my approach of course - I'm sure others are different

Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Pokerface on February 18, 2019, 03:06:28 PM
Anyone else questioning spending 570 - 600k on the top 4 defenders? It's usually 550k max we spend on that line, and it's hard to justify when players like Dusty/Crouch/Merrett are cheaper. I know they outscored these guys last year, hence the prices, but injury played a part in that.

What are the chances of backing up 112,108,105 averages?
 Lloyd at 112 especially, given previous high of 87.
Sicily I enjoyed having from the start, but he was over 100k cheaper. There are question marks like suspension/injury risks, more attention from opposition, affect of new zoning rules. Like Lloyd it was his only premo year.
Simpson is durable as hell, but usually goes at 95 max. Often has an off game or two to enable a cheaper pick up later on. How long can he defy age? Will Newman steal 5 - 10 points a game?
Laird seems the "safest" option given scoring history, but 108 is hard to back up for a non midfielder.
If you spend this much on a midfield pick, you want 105 minimum, and bank on them being very likely to go 110-115. Can we say that for Lloyd, Laird ,Simmo, Sicily?
So it should apply to any line, even though we expect defenders to score less and are happy with 95+, 600k is 600k.
Given how hard it is to build a well balanced side with Danger, Cripps, Gawn, Grundy, Macrae so expensive, I think only 1 of the top 4 defenders is the go, or even 0.
I see value in Williams, Whitfield, Witherden or maybe even Mills/Newman pending their roles.
Bottom line is if I'm spending 570 - 600k I want 105+ no matter what line it's on.

I get what you're saying re spending that much, but for me the price is somewhat secondary

When I pick prems to start, I am picking guys who I think will finish the year as the highest on that line - that's the goal for me, and price is secondary

If I was to start Whitfield, Witherden, Williams (which isn't horrible) then what happens if the 4 expensive guys all go 100+ and remain the top defenders of the year? It will be hard for me to get them, and I'll be stuck with the second tier guys

It's the same with Rucks etc too. I don't care if they drop in value and I could have got them cheaper later, because I know how hard it is to actually get them, and when your priority is getting rookies off field, dealing with injuries etc it's near impossible to fund getting the big guys, so I just start the guys I think will be the best, and their price is secondary to that

Just my approach of course - I'm sure others are different
I disagree - I think your initial team is all about finding value - not necessarily needing the top scoring guys. The famous example was Impromptu starting without Goddard in the backline the year he won, while we all spent 600k on him. I think Dimmawits did something similar missing one of the most popular guys (can't remember who).
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 18, 2019, 04:43:50 PM
I disagree - I think your initial team is all about finding value - not necessarily needing the top scoring guys. The famous example was Impromptu starting without Goddard in the backline the year he won, while we all spent 600k on him. I think Dimmawits did something similar missing one of the most popular guys (can't remember who).

I'd be pretty confident that they won because of the trading they did throughout the year, combined with good luck

Finding value is super important - but I think value is picking up guys with a proven track record, who for whatever reason were down last year. Eg/ Start Zerrett over Oliver, or Crouch over Neale.

You need to start guys who you think will be the top scoring guys. If you just focus on "value" everywhere, then you're either going to miss out on too many top end guys, or burn too many trades sideways trading trying to catch up

Guys like Witherden etc are not finding value - you're hoping they can breakout to that next level. Simmo might cost 100k more, but you know what you're getting
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Colley Dogs on February 18, 2019, 09:20:20 PM
Just finding it hard to see why the love of Laird is dying.  Looking at last 4 years

Because people seem to think the new kick out rule is going to ruin him? The short kick is dead they think? It's the only logical explanation

Hasn't left my side once

I can’t speak for anyone else... I don’t have Laird in my side and here’s my reasoning (it’s got nothing to do with thinking the short kick is dead):

- I believe Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, & Simpson will be the top 4 highest averaging defenders come season’s end
- I’m starting 2 of them NOW
- I’ll have all four of them in my completed team
- I’m going with Lloyd & Sicily on the off-off chance the new kick in rules benefit them, price-wise and points-wise (this is speculative, I know, but the choice is already marginal; put it this way, I absolutely don’t believe Lloyd or Sicily will drop in price)
- Laird will be my first upgrade target on the D line. I’m confident I’ll get him for pretty much exactly what he’s priced at now, no more and no less.
- If these four players were the same age, I’d be starting with Sicily & Simpson, as I think they have the greatest capacity to benefit from the rules (Simpson’s age concerns me, even though he’s the Keith Richards of footy and will still be playing after the other three have retired)

But it’s so marginal... and because it’s so marginal it’s remarkable that Laird has never been in my team: Lloyd; Sicily; Williams; Smith; Rookie; Rookie ... it’s the one line I haven’t tinkered with.

Should the JLT throw up a couple of gremlins I’d in a flash turn Lloyd & Sicily into Laird & Simpson and have the same level of confidence.

The choices between these four aren’t going to win or lose the game.

It’s the Whitfield, Ryan, Witherden etc. players that are going to define seasons.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Keeper27 on February 18, 2019, 09:24:46 PM
When I pick prems to start, I am picking guys who I think will finish the year as the highest on that line - that's the goal for me, and price is secondary

I understand the need for some to jump on high priced defenders (Lloyd/Laird/Sicily) but how many Top 10 defenders from previous seasons actually backed up and went Top 10 again??

2015 > 2016 (3)
2016 > 2017 (3)
2017 > 2018 (4)
2018 > 2019 ??

who says Lloyd/Laird/Sicily will be top 10? especially now with the new kick in rules wouldn't looking at guys like Hurn/Witherden/Ryan/Short be the better option?? save money and possibly close the gap on points?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: ben_020285 on February 18, 2019, 09:28:18 PM
When I pick prems to start, I am picking guys who I think will finish the year as the highest on that line - that's the goal for me, and price is secondary

I understand the need for some to jump on high priced defenders (Lloyd/Laird/Sicily) but how many Top 10 defenders from previous seasons actually backed up and went Top 10 again??

2015 > 2016 (3)
2016 > 2017 (3)
2017 > 2018 (4)
2018 > 2019 ??

who says Lloyd/Laird/Sicily will be top 10? especially now with the new kick in rules wouldn't looking at guys like Hurn/Witherden/Ryan/Short be the better option?? save money and possibly close the gap on points?

Excellent post.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Colley Dogs on February 18, 2019, 09:34:05 PM
When I pick prems to start, I am picking guys who I think will finish the year as the highest on that line - that's the goal for me, and price is secondary

I understand the need for some to jump on high priced defenders (Lloyd/Laird/Sicily) but how many Top 10 defenders from previous seasons actually backed up and went Top 10 again??

2015 > 2016 (3)
2016 > 2017 (3)
2017 > 2018 (4)
2018 > 2019 ??

who says Lloyd/Laird/Sicily will be top 10? especially now with the new kick in rules wouldn't looking at guys like Hurn/Witherden/Ryan/Short be the better option?? save money and possibly close the gap on points?

If Hurn/Witherden/Ryan/Short benefit from the new kick-in rules, it stands to reason that so would Lloyd/Sicily/Simpson. Yes, the value defenders may see an increase in points, but then so too would the ultra premiums.

I predict Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, and Simpson will be the top averaging defenders at the end of the season.

But for the reason you’ve outlined, I’m not starting Laird (he’ll be my first upgrade target). I want to see the impact of the new rules on scoring before I bring him in. I expect no impact, but playing it ultra safe.

I’m guessing not, but this is the occasion we may see a defender or two with averages to compare with the top midfielders. If so, it won’t be Hurn/Witherden/Ryan/Short.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: ben_020285 on February 18, 2019, 09:39:31 PM
When I pick prems to start, I am picking guys who I think will finish the year as the highest on that line - that's the goal for me, and price is secondary

I understand the need for some to jump on high priced defenders (Lloyd/Laird/Sicily) but how many Top 10 defenders from previous seasons actually backed up and went Top 10 again??

2015 > 2016 (3)
2016 > 2017 (3)
2017 > 2018 (4)
2018 > 2019 ??

who says Lloyd/Laird/Sicily will be top 10? especially now with the new kick in rules wouldn't looking at guys like Hurn/Witherden/Ryan/Short be the better option?? save money and possibly close the gap on points?

If Hurn/Witherden/Ryan/Short benefit from the new kick-in rules, it stands to reason that so would Lloyd/Sicily/Simpson. Yes, the value defenders may see an increase in points, but then so too would the ultra premiums.

I predict Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, and Simpson will be the top averaging defenders at the end of the season.

But for the reason you’ve outlined, I’m not starting Laird (I’m making him my first upgrade target). I want to see the impact of the new rules on scoring before I bring in Laird. I expect no impact, but playing it ultra safe.

So you think the exact same top four defenders from last season will be exactly the same this season too.

History would suggest you will be way off the mark.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on February 18, 2019, 09:40:23 PM
I think everyone's just suffering from this wonderful time of year where there's no games on to judge anything so we over analyse every stat known to man, change our team based on every article that comes out about a training  performance and look for reasons to dump or grab guys to gain an extra .5%

JLT will start soon then we can all get on with dumping premiums because they don't have a day out in a practice game  ;D
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Colley Dogs on February 18, 2019, 09:46:42 PM
When I pick prems to start, I am picking guys who I think will finish the year as the highest on that line - that's the goal for me, and price is secondary

I understand the need for some to jump on high priced defenders (Lloyd/Laird/Sicily) but how many Top 10 defenders from previous seasons actually backed up and went Top 10 again??

2015 > 2016 (3)
2016 > 2017 (3)
2017 > 2018 (4)
2018 > 2019 ??

who says Lloyd/Laird/Sicily will be top 10? especially now with the new kick in rules wouldn't looking at guys like Hurn/Witherden/Ryan/Short be the better option?? save money and possibly close the gap on points?

If Hurn/Witherden/Ryan/Short benefit from the new kick-in rules, it stands to reason that so would Lloyd/Sicily/Simpson. Yes, the value defenders may see an increase in points, but then so too would the ultra premiums.

I predict Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, and Simpson will be the top averaging defenders at the end of the season.

But for the reason you’ve outlined, I’m not starting Laird (I’m making him my first upgrade target). I want to see the impact of the new rules on scoring before I bring in Laird. I expect no impact, but playing it ultra safe.

So you think the exact same top four defenders from last season will be exactly the same this season too.

History would suggest you will be way off the mark.

Yes... because the rule change is going to benefit three of the top four defenders from last season; and I’m confident Laird will maintain his average.

Without this rule change I’d not have this opinion.

It’s a perfect storm; previous seasons didn’t have a rule change like this.

Of course... it’s only an opinion.

But I’m putting my money where my mouth is: I’m starting with Lloyd & Sicily.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: ben_020285 on February 18, 2019, 09:51:33 PM
When I pick prems to start, I am picking guys who I think will finish the year as the highest on that line - that's the goal for me, and price is secondary

I understand the need for some to jump on high priced defenders (Lloyd/Laird/Sicily) but how many Top 10 defenders from previous seasons actually backed up and went Top 10 again??

2015 > 2016 (3)
2016 > 2017 (3)
2017 > 2018 (4)
2018 > 2019 ??

who says Lloyd/Laird/Sicily will be top 10? especially now with the new kick in rules wouldn't looking at guys like Hurn/Witherden/Ryan/Short be the better option?? save money and possibly close the gap on points?

If Hurn/Witherden/Ryan/Short benefit from the new kick-in rules, it stands to reason that so would Lloyd/Sicily/Simpson. Yes, the value defenders may see an increase in points, but then so too would the ultra premiums.

I predict Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, and Simpson will be the top averaging defenders at the end of the season.

But for the reason you’ve outlined, I’m not starting Laird (I’m making him my first upgrade target). I want to see the impact of the new rules on scoring before I bring in Laird. I expect no impact, but playing it ultra safe.

So you think the exact same top four defenders from last season will be exactly the same this season too.

History would suggest you will be way off the mark.

Yes... because the rule change is going to benefit three of the top four defenders from last season; and I’m confident Laird will maintain his average.

Without this rule change I’d not have this opinion.

It’s a perfect storm; previous seasons didn’t have a rule change like this.

Of course... it’s only an opinion.

But I’m putting my money where my mouth is: I’m starting with Lloyd & Sicily.

You’re entitled to your opinion but surely you can see the likelihood of what you’re suggesting is extremely low.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 18, 2019, 09:52:42 PM
Who were the 3, 3 and 4 players who backed it up?

I'm curious as to whether their ability to back it up was obvious, and can be correlated to last years Top 5
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Colley Dogs on February 18, 2019, 09:53:54 PM
I think everyone's just suffering from this wonderful time of year where there's no games on to judge anything so we over analyse every stat known to man, change our team based on every article that comes out about a training  performance and look for reasons to dump or grab guys to gain an extra .5%

JLT will start soon then we can all get on with dumping premiums because they don't have a day out in a practice game  ;D

I honestly hope that Whitfield/Hurn/Ryan/Witherden/Short have huge JLTs so everyone jumps off the ultra-premiums
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Colley Dogs on February 18, 2019, 09:57:29 PM
When I pick prems to start, I am picking guys who I think will finish the year as the highest on that line - that's the goal for me, and price is secondary

I understand the need for some to jump on high priced defenders (Lloyd/Laird/Sicily) but how many Top 10 defenders from previous seasons actually backed up and went Top 10 again??

2015 > 2016 (3)
2016 > 2017 (3)
2017 > 2018 (4)
2018 > 2019 ??

who says Lloyd/Laird/Sicily will be top 10? especially now with the new kick in rules wouldn't looking at guys like Hurn/Witherden/Ryan/Short be the better option?? save money and possibly close the gap on points?

If Hurn/Witherden/Ryan/Short benefit from the new kick-in rules, it stands to reason that so would Lloyd/Sicily/Simpson. Yes, the value defenders may see an increase in points, but then so too would the ultra premiums.

I predict Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, and Simpson will be the top averaging defenders at the end of the season.

But for the reason you’ve outlined, I’m not starting Laird (I’m making him my first upgrade target). I want to see the impact of the new rules on scoring before I bring in Laird. I expect no impact, but playing it ultra safe.

So you think the exact same top four defenders from last season will be exactly the same this season too.

History would suggest you will be way off the mark.

Yes... because the rule change is going to benefit three of the top four defenders from last season; and I’m confident Laird will maintain his average.

Without this rule change I’d not have this opinion.

It’s a perfect storm; previous seasons didn’t have a rule change like this.

Of course... it’s only an opinion.

But I’m putting my money where my mouth is: I’m starting with Lloyd & Sicily.

You’re entitled to your opinion but surely you can see the likelihood of what you’re suggesting is extremely low.

Absolutely agree... seriously, I wish I had the same feeling as you... if I turned Lloyd into Hurn/Witherden, that money would help so much on another line!
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: ubeaut on February 18, 2019, 09:59:56 PM
Just finding it hard to see why the love of Laird is dying.  Looking at last 4 years

Because people seem to think the new kick out rule is going to ruin him? The short kick is dead they think? It's the only logical explanation

Hasn't left my side once

I can’t speak for anyone else... I don’t have Laird in my side and here’s my reasoning (it’s got nothing to do with thinking the short kick is dead):

- I believe Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, & Simpson will be the top 4 highest averaging defenders come season’s end
- I’m starting 2 of them NOW
- I’ll have all four of them in my completed team
- I’m going with Lloyd & Sicily on the off-off chance the new kick in rules benefit them, price-wise and points-wise (this is speculative, I know, but the choice is already marginal; put it this way, I absolutely don’t believe Lloyd or Sicily will drop in price)
- Laird will be my first upgrade target on the D line. I’m confident I’ll get him for pretty much exactly what he’s priced at now, no more and no less.
- If these four players were the same age, I’d be starting with Sicily & Simpson, as I think they have the greatest capacity to benefit from the rules (Simpson’s age concerns me, even though he’s the Keith Richards of footy and will still be playing after the other three have retired)

But it’s so marginal... and because it’s so marginal it’s remarkable that Laird has never been in my team: Lloyd; Sicily; Williams; Smith; Rookie; Rookie ... it’s the one line I haven’t tinkered with.

Should the JLT throw up a couple of gremlins I’d in a flash turn Lloyd & Sicily into Laird & Simpson and have the same level of confidence.

The choices between these four aren’t going to win or lose the game.

It’s the Whitfield, Ryan, Witherden etc. players that are going to define seasons.
Have a look at Lloyd's start to last season. What's to say he won't start off slow again? Of all the players not named Gawn, Grundy, Cripps or Macrae I think he's most likely to drop in price. He has to maintain or better 112 average. As a defender. With a 87 as previous high. That's insane. Sicily hasn't got an extensive scoring history let alone a consistent one. Big call to say they won't drop in price.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Keeper27 on February 18, 2019, 10:00:50 PM
Excellent post.

cheers

History would suggest you will be way off the mark.

Who were the 3, 3 and 4 players who backed it up?

I'm curious as to whether their ability to back it up was obvious, and can be correlated to last years Top 5

the only constant is Simmo  :) (2015 - his AVG put him top 10 not overall)

Shaw, enright, Rance/ Docherty, Simmo, Rance/Simmo, McGovern, Tuohy, Laird
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Keeper27 on February 18, 2019, 10:05:47 PM
if I turned Lloyd into Hurn/Witherden, that money would help so much on another line!

i have and it's pretty tempting to have 5 premiums in the mids LOL
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Colley Dogs on February 18, 2019, 10:23:37 PM
Just finding it hard to see why the love of Laird is dying.  Looking at last 4 years

Because people seem to think the new kick out rule is going to ruin him? The short kick is dead they think? It's the only logical explanation

Hasn't left my side once

I can’t speak for anyone else... I don’t have Laird in my side and here’s my reasoning (it’s got nothing to do with thinking the short kick is dead):

- I believe Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, & Simpson will be the top 4 highest averaging defenders come season’s end
- I’m starting 2 of them NOW
- I’ll have all four of them in my completed team
- I’m going with Lloyd & Sicily on the off-off chance the new kick in rules benefit them, price-wise and points-wise (this is speculative, I know, but the choice is already marginal; put it this way, I absolutely don’t believe Lloyd or Sicily will drop in price)
- Laird will be my first upgrade target on the D line. I’m confident I’ll get him for pretty much exactly what he’s priced at now, no more and no less.
- If these four players were the same age, I’d be starting with Sicily & Simpson, as I think they have the greatest capacity to benefit from the rules (Simpson’s age concerns me, even though he’s the Keith Richards of footy and will still be playing after the other three have retired)

But it’s so marginal... and because it’s so marginal it’s remarkable that Laird has never been in my team: Lloyd; Sicily; Williams; Smith; Rookie; Rookie ... it’s the one line I haven’t tinkered with.

Should the JLT throw up a couple of gremlins I’d in a flash turn Lloyd & Sicily into Laird & Simpson and have the same level of confidence.

The choices between these four aren’t going to win or lose the game.

It’s the Whitfield, Ryan, Witherden etc. players that are going to define seasons.
Have a look at Lloyd's start to last season. What's to say he won't start off slow again? Of all the players not named Gawn, Grundy, Cripps or Macrae I think he's most likely to drop in price. He has to maintain or better 112 average. As a defender. With a 87 as previous high. That's insane. Sicily hasn't got an extensive scoring history let alone a consistent one. Big call to say they won't drop in price.

Last season didn’t have the new rules for kick-ins. This is my point. Without these rules there’s no chance I’d be investing so much in my first two defenders.

Sicily has only played one full season as a defender (with injury), so your point regarding him is mute.

Look, I can see I’m alone on this... that’s fine, we can agree to disagree.

But we’ve never had a rule change like this... a real-world footy rule that could see a defender or two averaging in line with the ultra premium mids.

If I’m wrong... I have two players who I’m sure most would agree are going to finish as top six defenders (for maybe 100k more than most are spending on their first two defenders). Not a big risk in the scheme of things.

If I’m right though...

Most likely I’m going to break even.

It’s a low-risk high-reward play in my eyes.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on February 19, 2019, 12:00:19 AM
Who were the 3, 3 and 4 players who backed it up?

I'm curious as to whether their ability to back it up was obvious, and can be correlated to last years Top 5

Doc, Simmo and Laird would have to be three of those guys.

Thing is you want guys down back that are consistent. Backs and rucks have to be the choppiest lines in SC. At least with mids you have had guys like Pendles, Swan, Gaz, Fyfe, Danger back up their monster years and be worth every penny.

Rucks you have to go back to the Cox/Sandi days to find guys that back it up when they have been high priced rucks.

Forwards you've generally had premiums like Buddy, Gray, Rocky, Martin, Macrae, NRoo and Stevie J that were top priced premiums with consistent years that you felt confident starting.

Down back it feels like recently the guys that have followed that trend are Simmo, Laird and Doc (minus now missing two seasons back to back). It feels like you have to go back to Lids, BJ, Scotland days. Maybe guys like Taylor Adams and Joey can also fit into this category more recently but in Adams case he was a one hit wonder. There always appear to be value guys that jump up to premium status. Looking at the top 10 from last year I see the following

Lloyd - Was high 400's (maybe low 500's) and a lot of people viewed him as a speculative pick. Was under priced due to the injury games
Laird - Got what you paid for
Simmo - Got what you paid for
Sicily - Mid price option that turned into top 5 on points alone. Missed a ton of games which would have hurt those that had him
Whitfield - Was mid eligible only
Hurn - Would have been a mid 400k speculative pick
Jack Crisp - See Hurn
Howe - Was a premium priced player that missed games and dropped his average
Suckling - Mid price option that missed half the season
Heath Shaw - Improved his average from an awkward price to finish top 10. Was averaging 15 points less than number 4 and 22 points less than number 1.

If I am paying top dollar the only guys I can justify of these options are Laird, Simmo and Whitfield. Whitfield I am still speculative on because pure wings don't tend to average more than 95. The Andrew Gaff seasons are one out of the box.

After pumping him up, there are a couple of reasons I have been toying with taking out Simmo, but if I do he will pump out a 140 odd and I'll instantly regret it.

Newman appears like he is going to slot in nicely at HB and Daisy will play out of the back half again this year. Newman is a lot more capable than the other trash we had running around at HB last year and he and Daisy could average a solid 85-90 each. I don't think that hurts Simmo all that, but I worry we may be worse than last year if that was at all possible. Father time catches up with everyone and while he did have a really good fantasy year there were signs for Simmo last year. I'm thinking it might be better to wait and see.

Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Keeper27 on February 19, 2019, 12:19:36 AM
Who were the 3, 3 and 4 players who backed it up?

I'm curious as to whether their ability to back it up was obvious, and can be correlated to last years Top 5

Doc, Simmo and Laird would have to be three of those guys.

Who were the 3, 3 and 4 players who backed it up?

I'm curious as to whether their ability to back it up was obvious, and can be correlated to last years Top 5

the only constant is Simmo  :) (2015 - his AVG put him top 10 not overall)

Shaw, enright, Rance/ Docherty, Simmo, Rance/Simmo, McGovern, Tuohy, Laird

Close.

If I am paying top dollar the only guys I can justify of these options are Laird, Simmo and Whitfield.

Simmo i agree with, just so consistent.
the other we dont know.. just gotta wait and see
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 19, 2019, 01:05:05 AM
thoughts on B Smith?

Scott Camporeale was on the radio talking about how they're very happy with him taking kickins with his long kicks https://twitter.com/1629senSA/status/1096155925407092737
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Keeper27 on February 19, 2019, 05:52:08 AM
thoughts on B Smith?

Scott Camporeale was on the radio talking about how they're very happy with him taking kickins with his long kicks https://twitter.com/1629senSA/status/1096155925407092737

D4 at best
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on February 19, 2019, 08:01:33 AM
As I said Earle it is interesting that we are all making assumptions as to who will benefit from the new kick in rules without also considering the effect of the new centre bounce set ups 6-6-6 as I think this will also effect some defenders hence why I will be watching the JLT closely to see the effect of both rules.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: shaker on February 19, 2019, 08:28:06 AM
As I said Earle it is interesting that we are all making assumptions as to who will benefit from the new kick in rules without also considering the effect of the new centre bounce set ups 6-6-6 as I think this will also effect some defenders hence why I will be watching the JLT closely to see the effect of both rules.
JLT might not give us many answers think it was Danger said in the last week there is a good chance coaches won't give much away in JLT preferring to keep there plans secret till the season proper , JLT as usual will be a chance to see the rookies perform.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: duffercoat on February 19, 2019, 08:50:30 AM
As I said Earle it is interesting that we are all making assumptions as to who will benefit from the new kick in rules without also considering the effect of the new centre bounce set ups 6-6-6 as I think this will also effect some defenders hence why I will be watching the JLT closely to see the effect of both rules.

I see a lot of people assuming its just going to be more points to the players kicking out. Theres so much more to it though. Players that used to receive the ball from kick-ins will have their points effected, players that used to take contested marks will be effected and entire structures are likely to change with the ball going over zones instead of them creating a repeat stoppage.

I think its super important to see the different strategies in play and gauge how teams will approach it, as its unlikely the scoring is similar to 2018. More chance of a shake up to the top 10 defenders than ever I'd think.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: ubeaut on February 19, 2019, 08:52:30 AM
As I said Earle it is interesting that we are all making assumptions as to who will benefit from the new kick in rules without also considering the effect of the new centre bounce set ups 6-6-6 as I think this will also effect some defenders hence why I will be watching the JLT closely to see the effect of both rules.
Good point. Also while we are focusing on the positives of the kick in rule, there could be negatives.
1.) Less kick to kick in the back half with teams going long more often.
2.) More sharing of the kick ins as if teams want to play on ASAP whoever is nearest the goal will take it rather than waiting for the designated kicker/s
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on February 19, 2019, 09:03:14 AM
As I said Earle it is interesting that we are all making assumptions as to who will benefit from the new kick in rules without also considering the effect of the new centre bounce set ups 6-6-6 as I think this will also effect some defenders hence why I will be watching the JLT closely to see the effect of both rules.
JLT might not give us many answers think it was Danger said in the last week there is a good chance coaches won't give much away in JLT preferring to keep there plans secret till the season proper , JLT as usual will be a chance to see the rookies perform.
Realise that as well but may give some indication I am sure coaches will be trialing a number of scenarios through JLT to give an idea of what will work.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Pokerface on February 19, 2019, 01:51:51 PM
Just finding it hard to see why the love of Laird is dying.  Looking at last 4 years

Because people seem to think the new kick out rule is going to ruin him? The short kick is dead they think? It's the only logical explanation

Hasn't left my side once

I can’t speak for anyone else... I don’t have Laird in my side and here’s my reasoning (it’s got nothing to do with thinking the short kick is dead):

- I believe Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, & Simpson will be the top 4 highest averaging defenders come season’s end
- I’m starting 2 of them NOW
- I’ll have all four of them in my completed team
- I’m going with Lloyd & Sicily on the off-off chance the new kick in rules benefit them, price-wise and points-wise (this is speculative, I know, but the choice is already marginal; put it this way, I absolutely don’t believe Lloyd or Sicily will drop in price)
- Laird will be my first upgrade target on the D line. I’m confident I’ll get him for pretty much exactly what he’s priced at now, no more and no less.
- If these four players were the same age, I’d be starting with Sicily & Simpson, as I think they have the greatest capacity to benefit from the rules (Simpson’s age concerns me, even though he’s the Keith Richards of footy and will still be playing after the other three have retired)

But it’s so marginal... and because it’s so marginal it’s remarkable that Laird has never been in my team: Lloyd; Sicily; Williams; Smith; Rookie; Rookie ... it’s the one line I haven’t tinkered with.

Should the JLT throw up a couple of gremlins I’d in a flash turn Lloyd & Sicily into Laird & Simpson and have the same level of confidence.

The choices between these four aren’t going to win or lose the game.

It’s the Whitfield, Ryan, Witherden etc. players that are going to define seasons.
Have a look at Lloyd's start to last season. What's to say he won't start off slow again? Of all the players not named Gawn, Grundy, Cripps or Macrae I think he's most likely to drop in price. He has to maintain or better 112 average. As a defender. With a 87 as previous high. That's insane. Sicily hasn't got an extensive scoring history let alone a consistent one. Big call to say they won't drop in price.

Last season didn’t have the new rules for kick-ins. This is my point. Without these rules there’s no chance I’d be investing so much in my first two defenders.

Sicily has only played one full season as a defender (with injury), so your point regarding him is mute.

Look, I can see I’m alone on this... that’s fine, we can agree to disagree.

But we’ve never had a rule change like this... a real-world footy rule that could see a defender or two averaging in line with the ultra premium mids.

If I’m wrong... I have two players who I’m sure most would agree are going to finish as top six defenders (for maybe 100k more than most are spending on their first two defenders). Not a big risk in the scheme of things.

If I’m right though...

Most likely I’m going to break even.

It’s a low-risk high-reward play in my eyes.

I actually think Lloyd is a massive risk at the price for someone who has had hip surgery and only just resumed full training. I don't think he is a top 6 defender this year - at least not in the first half anyway.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ricochet on February 19, 2019, 02:04:49 PM
Just finding it hard to see why the love of Laird is dying.  Looking at last 4 years

Because people seem to think the new kick out rule is going to ruin him? The short kick is dead they think? It's the only logical explanation

Hasn't left my side once

I can’t speak for anyone else... I don’t have Laird in my side and here’s my reasoning (it’s got nothing to do with thinking the short kick is dead):

- I believe Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, & Simpson will be the top 4 highest averaging defenders come season’s end
- I’m starting 2 of them NOW
- I’ll have all four of them in my completed team
- I’m going with Lloyd & Sicily on the off-off chance the new kick in rules benefit them, price-wise and points-wise (this is speculative, I know, but the choice is already marginal; put it this way, I absolutely don’t believe Lloyd or Sicily will drop in price)
- Laird will be my first upgrade target on the D line. I’m confident I’ll get him for pretty much exactly what he’s priced at now, no more and no less.
- If these four players were the same age, I’d be starting with Sicily & Simpson, as I think they have the greatest capacity to benefit from the rules (Simpson’s age concerns me, even though he’s the Keith Richards of footy and will still be playing after the other three have retired)

But it’s so marginal... and because it’s so marginal it’s remarkable that Laird has never been in my team: Lloyd; Sicily; Williams; Smith; Rookie; Rookie ... it’s the one line I haven’t tinkered with.

Should the JLT throw up a couple of gremlins I’d in a flash turn Lloyd & Sicily into Laird & Simpson and have the same level of confidence.

The choices between these four aren’t going to win or lose the game.

It’s the Whitfield, Ryan, Witherden etc. players that are going to define seasons.
Have a look at Lloyd's start to last season. What's to say he won't start off slow again? Of all the players not named Gawn, Grundy, Cripps or Macrae I think he's most likely to drop in price. He has to maintain or better 112 average. As a defender. With a 87 as previous high. That's insane. Sicily hasn't got an extensive scoring history let alone a consistent one. Big call to say they won't drop in price.

Last season didn’t have the new rules for kick-ins. This is my point. Without these rules there’s no chance I’d be investing so much in my first two defenders.

Sicily has only played one full season as a defender (with injury), so your point regarding him is mute.

Look, I can see I’m alone on this... that’s fine, we can agree to disagree.

But we’ve never had a rule change like this... a real-world footy rule that could see a defender or two averaging in line with the ultra premium mids.

If I’m wrong... I have two players who I’m sure most would agree are going to finish as top six defenders (for maybe 100k more than most are spending on their first two defenders). Not a big risk in the scheme of things.

If I’m right though...

Most likely I’m going to break even.

It’s a low-risk high-reward play in my eyes.

I actually think Lloyd is a massive risk at the price for someone who has had hip surgery and only just resumed full training. I don't think he is a top 6 defender this year - at least not in the first half anyway.
Can understand you're reasoning for not starting him, but this is a big call. He went 112 last year and will be one of the major beneficiaries of the new rules. May drop because of an interrupted preseason, but the new rules might also cancel that out.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Pokerface on February 19, 2019, 02:11:27 PM
Just finding it hard to see why the love of Laird is dying.  Looking at last 4 years

Because people seem to think the new kick out rule is going to ruin him? The short kick is dead they think? It's the only logical explanation

Hasn't left my side once

I can’t speak for anyone else... I don’t have Laird in my side and here’s my reasoning (it’s got nothing to do with thinking the short kick is dead):

- I believe Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, & Simpson will be the top 4 highest averaging defenders come season’s end
- I’m starting 2 of them NOW
- I’ll have all four of them in my completed team
- I’m going with Lloyd & Sicily on the off-off chance the new kick in rules benefit them, price-wise and points-wise (this is speculative, I know, but the choice is already marginal; put it this way, I absolutely don’t believe Lloyd or Sicily will drop in price)
- Laird will be my first upgrade target on the D line. I’m confident I’ll get him for pretty much exactly what he’s priced at now, no more and no less.
- If these four players were the same age, I’d be starting with Sicily & Simpson, as I think they have the greatest capacity to benefit from the rules (Simpson’s age concerns me, even though he’s the Keith Richards of footy and will still be playing after the other three have retired)

But it’s so marginal... and because it’s so marginal it’s remarkable that Laird has never been in my team: Lloyd; Sicily; Williams; Smith; Rookie; Rookie ... it’s the one line I haven’t tinkered with.

Should the JLT throw up a couple of gremlins I’d in a flash turn Lloyd & Sicily into Laird & Simpson and have the same level of confidence.

The choices between these four aren’t going to win or lose the game.

It’s the Whitfield, Ryan, Witherden etc. players that are going to define seasons.
Have a look at Lloyd's start to last season. What's to say he won't start off slow again? Of all the players not named Gawn, Grundy, Cripps or Macrae I think he's most likely to drop in price. He has to maintain or better 112 average. As a defender. With a 87 as previous high. That's insane. Sicily hasn't got an extensive scoring history let alone a consistent one. Big call to say they won't drop in price.

Last season didn’t have the new rules for kick-ins. This is my point. Without these rules there’s no chance I’d be investing so much in my first two defenders.

Sicily has only played one full season as a defender (with injury), so your point regarding him is mute.

Look, I can see I’m alone on this... that’s fine, we can agree to disagree.

But we’ve never had a rule change like this... a real-world footy rule that could see a defender or two averaging in line with the ultra premium mids.

If I’m wrong... I have two players who I’m sure most would agree are going to finish as top six defenders (for maybe 100k more than most are spending on their first two defenders). Not a big risk in the scheme of things.

If I’m right though...

Most likely I’m going to break even.

It’s a low-risk high-reward play in my eyes.

I actually think Lloyd is a massive risk at the price for someone who has had hip surgery and only just resumed full training. I don't think he is a top 6 defender this year - at least not in the first half anyway.
Can understand you're reasoning for not starting him, but this is a big call. He went 112 last year and will be one of the major beneficiaries of the new rules. May drop because of an interrupted preseason, but the new rules might also cancel that out.

Yeah true, I agree in the second half he probably is, I think I worded that wrong. But I don't think it's a sure thing - one season over 87 out of seven, and the uncontested loose man in defence type will need to be more accountable this year.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ricochet on February 19, 2019, 02:48:58 PM
Just finding it hard to see why the love of Laird is dying.  Looking at last 4 years

Because people seem to think the new kick out rule is going to ruin him? The short kick is dead they think? It's the only logical explanation

Hasn't left my side once

I can’t speak for anyone else... I don’t have Laird in my side and here’s my reasoning (it’s got nothing to do with thinking the short kick is dead):

- I believe Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, & Simpson will be the top 4 highest averaging defenders come season’s end
- I’m starting 2 of them NOW
- I’ll have all four of them in my completed team
- I’m going with Lloyd & Sicily on the off-off chance the new kick in rules benefit them, price-wise and points-wise (this is speculative, I know, but the choice is already marginal; put it this way, I absolutely don’t believe Lloyd or Sicily will drop in price)
- Laird will be my first upgrade target on the D line. I’m confident I’ll get him for pretty much exactly what he’s priced at now, no more and no less.
- If these four players were the same age, I’d be starting with Sicily & Simpson, as I think they have the greatest capacity to benefit from the rules (Simpson’s age concerns me, even though he’s the Keith Richards of footy and will still be playing after the other three have retired)

But it’s so marginal... and because it’s so marginal it’s remarkable that Laird has never been in my team: Lloyd; Sicily; Williams; Smith; Rookie; Rookie ... it’s the one line I haven’t tinkered with.

Should the JLT throw up a couple of gremlins I’d in a flash turn Lloyd & Sicily into Laird & Simpson and have the same level of confidence.

The choices between these four aren’t going to win or lose the game.

It’s the Whitfield, Ryan, Witherden etc. players that are going to define seasons.
Have a look at Lloyd's start to last season. What's to say he won't start off slow again? Of all the players not named Gawn, Grundy, Cripps or Macrae I think he's most likely to drop in price. He has to maintain or better 112 average. As a defender. With a 87 as previous high. That's insane. Sicily hasn't got an extensive scoring history let alone a consistent one. Big call to say they won't drop in price.

Last season didn’t have the new rules for kick-ins. This is my point. Without these rules there’s no chance I’d be investing so much in my first two defenders.

Sicily has only played one full season as a defender (with injury), so your point regarding him is mute.

Look, I can see I’m alone on this... that’s fine, we can agree to disagree.

But we’ve never had a rule change like this... a real-world footy rule that could see a defender or two averaging in line with the ultra premium mids.

If I’m wrong... I have two players who I’m sure most would agree are going to finish as top six defenders (for maybe 100k more than most are spending on their first two defenders). Not a big risk in the scheme of things.

If I’m right though...

Most likely I’m going to break even.

It’s a low-risk high-reward play in my eyes.

I actually think Lloyd is a massive risk at the price for someone who has had hip surgery and only just resumed full training. I don't think he is a top 6 defender this year - at least not in the first half anyway.
Can understand you're reasoning for not starting him, but this is a big call. He went 112 last year and will be one of the major beneficiaries of the new rules. May drop because of an interrupted preseason, but the new rules might also cancel that out.

Yeah true, I agree in the second half he probably is, I think I worded that wrong. But I don't think it's a sure thing - one season over 87 out of seven, and the uncontested loose man in defence type will need to be more accountable this year.
Only at CBDs. I can see teams still manufacturing spares during general play
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 20, 2019, 07:28:17 PM
Not quite sure what to make of this

Fantasy Freako @FantasyFreako
Whitfield played 70% of game time as a defender during the H&A rounds. That figure dropped to 10% for both of the Giants' finals once Williams returned - spending 82% of time on the wing.

Went 130+ both times, which sounds very good, but as someone said on twitter he had 8 rebound 50's in one of those games so even though he was on a wing he was clearly spending a lot of time down back, so not really sure what to make of this stat

Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: elephants on February 20, 2019, 07:53:22 PM
Not quite sure what to make of this

Fantasy Freako @FantasyFreako
Whitfield played 70% of game time as a defender during the H&A rounds. That figure dropped to 10% for both of the Giants' finals once Williams returned - spending 82% of time on the wing.

Went 130+ both times, which sounds very good, but as someone said on twitter he had 8 rebound 50's in one of those games so even though he was on a wing he was clearly spending a lot of time down back, so not really sure what to make of this stat

Kelly also didn't play 7 of those 8 quarters too
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: eaglesman on February 21, 2019, 10:51:16 AM
Not quite sure what to make of this

Fantasy Freako @FantasyFreako
Whitfield played 70% of game time as a defender during the H&A rounds. That figure dropped to 10% for both of the Giants' finals once Williams returned - spending 82% of time on the wing.

Went 130+ both times, which sounds very good, but as someone said on twitter he had 8 rebound 50's in one of those games so even though he was on a wing he was clearly spending a lot of time down back, so not really sure what to make of this stat

Kelly also didn't play 7 of those 8 quarters too

Surely teams lock down on this bloke?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: enzedder on February 22, 2019, 03:52:29 AM
James Sicily v Carlton
Played in defence, pushed into attack to receive a handball for 2 shots on Goal from outside 50 with no opponent, had 2 kick-ins running well outside the goal square, it appears he is the preferred option for kick-ins.
Source- aflratings.com.au

Will be a solid pick.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: elephants on February 22, 2019, 08:22:55 AM
James Sicily v Carlton
Played in defence, pushed into attack to receive a handball for 2 shots on Goal from outside 50 with no opponent, had 2 kick-ins running well outside the goal square, it appears he is the preferred option for kick-ins.
Source- aflratings.com.au

Will be a solid pick.

Hasn't moved since day 1, SC freak who has all the kickins on lock
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ricochet on February 22, 2019, 10:00:26 AM
Jake Lloyd playing in the Swans/GWS scratchy
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: elephants on February 22, 2019, 10:06:39 AM
Jake Lloyd playing in the Swans/GWS scratchy

Great sign, that fitness base is clearly hectic. Must have been all those army style fitness programs his old boy put him through as a kid haha. On Lloyd, is sharing kickins with Thurlow atm
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: frenzy on February 22, 2019, 02:04:57 PM
Lol, Kick in watch.  :o :o :o
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on February 22, 2019, 02:58:10 PM
Anyone know how Darcy Moore went today and if he took the kick ins?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Gigantor on February 22, 2019, 03:02:42 PM
Anyone know how Darcy Moore went today and if he took the kick ins?

Dees only kicked 6 behinds, I saw 4, Maynard for 3 of them can't recall the 4th but it wasn't Moore.
He did some nice things, took a couple of intercept marks
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 22, 2019, 03:12:19 PM
Anyone know how Darcy Moore went today and if he took the kick ins?

Darcy Moore played deep in defence and looked sore in the early stages, going off to get some ice in the first term.

But thankfully he re-emerged and performed well, dragging down two towering marks in the third term.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on February 22, 2019, 03:34:18 PM
Cheers guys
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on February 22, 2019, 06:41:36 PM
As I said Earle it is interesting that we are all making assumptions as to who will benefit from the new kick in rules without also considering the effect of the new centre bounce set ups 6-6-6 as I think this will also effect some defenders hence why I will be watching the JLT closely to see the effect of both rules.

I see a lot of people assuming its just going to be more points to the players kicking out. Theres so much more to it though. Players that used to receive the ball from kick-ins will have their points effected, players that used to take contested marks will be effected and entire structures are likely to change with the ball going over zones instead of them creating a repeat stoppage.

I think its super important to see the different strategies in play and gauge how teams will approach it, as its unlikely the scoring is similar to 2018. More chance of a shake up to the top 10 defenders than ever I'd think.
Too many unknowns about rule changes.  lots of assumptions that may or may not be credible.   I have structural rules around my team planning and see no reason to change them.   Use to be only one def over 500k in my starting team.  At the moment I have two.  Laird and Whitfield.   Laird will repeat -see earlier post showing avgs over past 4 yrs for laird, sicily and simmo.   Love simmo and likely to be in my end of season team.   Siciliy likewise.  Lloyd is too uncertain on what sort of output you will get.  Certainly not 600k worth.  Whitfield is high probablity to score +100 which is prem for def every day of the year.
If rules impact scoring patterns I will need to adjust but with only laird, whitfield and williams over 400k in my team plenty of scope to do so.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 22, 2019, 08:33:11 PM
Currently running with Williams at D5  8)

Flower paying up for all those expensive DEF rookies who will all be shower scorers

Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Fid on February 22, 2019, 08:40:58 PM
Currently running with Williams at D5  8)

Flower paying up for all those expensive DEF rookies who will all be shower scorers


I've got him D4 and Roberton D5 atm
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 22, 2019, 08:59:58 PM
Currently running with Williams at D5  8)

Flower paying up for all those expensive DEF rookies who will all be shower scorers


I've got him D4 and Roberton D5 atm

whats ur fwd line like?

i have B Smith and Roberton at D4/D5 so i dont need the expensive defenders but also Mundy at F4
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: ubeaut on February 22, 2019, 09:06:02 PM
Currently running with Williams at D5  8)

Flower paying up for all those expensive DEF rookies who will all be shower scorers
I'd rather higher priced rookies in defence than even worse scoring rookies in forwards. I think we'll actually have more options in defence Quaynor, Hore, McKay, Logue, Collins, Duursma all looking likely.
Who is there in fwds? Apart from Setterfield who may or may not be ready there's Parker, Cavarra and Petrucelle all small fwds, the first two from bottom teams and the later who maybe only there until LeCras gets back. I'd rather Quaynor and Duursma on field than Parker/Cavarra/Petrucelle
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 22, 2019, 09:07:41 PM
Currently running with Williams at D5  8)

Flower paying up for all those expensive DEF rookies who will all be shower scorers
I'd rather higher priced rookies in defence than even worse scoring rookies in forwards. I think we'll actually have more options in defence Quaynor, Hore, McKay, Logue, Collins, Duursma all looking likely.
Who is there in fwds? Apart from Setterfield who may or may not be ready there's Parker, Cavarra and Petrucelle all small fwds, the first two from bottom teams and the later who maybe only there until LeCras gets back. I'd rather Quaynor and Duursma on field than Parker/Cavarra/Petrucelle

mchenry/burgess
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 22, 2019, 09:12:53 PM
Currently running with Williams at D5  8)

Flower paying up for all those expensive DEF rookies who will all be shower scorers
I'd rather higher priced rookies in defence than even worse scoring rookies in forwards. I think we'll actually have more options in defence Quaynor, Hore, McKay, Logue, Collins, Duursma all looking likely.
Who is there in fwds? Apart from Setterfield who may or may not be ready there's Parker, Cavarra and Petrucelle all small fwds, the first two from bottom teams and the later who maybe only there until LeCras gets back. I'd rather Quaynor and Duursma on field than Parker/Cavarra/Petrucelle

Lecras isn't coming back lol

Setterfield played today in the midfield so he should be fine for Round 1

Duursma is 130k so he's fine, but all the 150k+ guys - getting rid of them and going deep like I have has given me 14 keepers + 2   200k guys and I'm liking that more

Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Fid on February 23, 2019, 01:17:49 PM
Currently running with Williams at D5  8)

Flower paying up for all those expensive DEF rookies who will all be shower scorers


I've got him D4 and Roberton D5 atm

whats ur fwd line like?

i have B Smith and Roberton at D4/D5 so i dont need the expensive defenders but also Mundy at F4

I don't go as deep in the Fwds.....

atm I have... Danger, Smith, Heeney, the rookies Rozee, Setterfield, McAdam, Parker and Cavarra
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 23, 2019, 01:50:29 PM
"Dyl Roberton with 15 odd disposals in first quarter of Saints’ intra."
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Money Shot on February 23, 2019, 01:58:08 PM
"Dyl Roberton with 15 odd disposals in first quarter of Saints’ intra."
He killed it apparently! Very very tempting
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 23, 2019, 02:00:26 PM
"Dyl Roberton with 15 odd disposals in first quarter of Saints’ intra."
He killed it apparently! Very very tempting

is my D5 with Smith at D4
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ricochet on February 23, 2019, 02:04:19 PM
"Dyl Roberton with 15 odd disposals in first quarter of Saints’ intra."
He killed it apparently! Very very tempting
I have him, but remember it was an intra... with a Seniors side vs a 2nds side in the first half... and a lot of best 22 players missing.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Pokerface on February 23, 2019, 04:19:12 PM
"Dyl Roberton with 15 odd disposals in first quarter of Saints’ intra."
He killed it apparently! Very very tempting
I have him, but remember it was an intra... with a Seniors side vs a 2nds side in the first half... and a lot of best 22 players missing.

Still good to see him get through with flying colours without issue. Was one of the most horrible things ive seen on a footy field
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: batt on February 24, 2019, 12:54:44 AM
$300k for a defender a year removed from a 93 average.

Gotta say Dyl is perfectly priced - tempting but not a must by any means.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: bkimm32 on February 26, 2019, 08:26:36 AM
Saints fan here. Don't pick robbo


Save him for me only
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 26, 2019, 08:32:28 AM
Zac Williams hasn't left my side once, but I read that in their recent match he didn't take a single kick out

No doubt he will increase in value, but I'm starting to wonder if he really should remain locked? Robbo at 110k cheaper could produce a similar output, and even if Williams does look good he will still be way under 500k and easy to get later

Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on February 26, 2019, 11:40:20 AM
Zac Williams hasn't left my side once, but I read that in their recent match he didn't take a single kick out

No doubt he will increase in value, but I'm starting to wonder if he really should remain locked? Robbo at 110k cheaper could produce a similar output, and even if Williams does look good he will still be way under 500k and easy to get later

Thoughts?

Who took the kick ins out of interest? I imagine Heath shaw took a few?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: hawkers65 on February 26, 2019, 12:01:09 PM
Zac Williams hasn't left my side once, but I read that in their recent match he didn't take a single kick out

No doubt he will increase in value, but I'm starting to wonder if he really should remain locked? Robbo at 110k cheaper could produce a similar output, and even if Williams does look good he will still be way under 500k and easy to get later

Thoughts?

Who took the kick ins out of interest? I imagine Heath shaw took a few?

Finlayson
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Holz on February 26, 2019, 03:38:19 PM
Zac Williams hasn't left my side once, but I read that in their recent match he didn't take a single kick out

No doubt he will increase in value, but I'm starting to wonder if he really should remain locked? Robbo at 110k cheaper could produce a similar output, and even if Williams does look good he will still be way under 500k and easy to get later

Thoughts?

Who took the kick ins out of interest? I imagine Heath shaw took a few?

Finlayson

i might be wrong but i feel who takes the kick ins is being slightly overrated here. Does anyone know who was doing all the kick ins when Williams pumped out a 130 in the finals?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HappyDEZ on February 26, 2019, 04:16:39 PM
Zac Williams hasn't left my side once, but I read that in their recent match he didn't take a single kick out

No doubt he will increase in value, but I'm starting to wonder if he really should remain locked? Robbo at 110k cheaper could produce a similar output, and even if Williams does look good he will still be way under 500k and easy to get later

Thoughts?
Why not both? I have both atm. My back 6 is W W W Robbo Collins Logue. The only problem I see with Zac is you are picking him as a keeper. Same goes for Witherden. So Witherden & Zac as finished D5 & D6. I am planning at ending up with L L Sic W W W. Now all I have to do is sit back & watch it all fall apart :-).
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 27, 2019, 09:02:46 AM
Max Gawn reckons Salem will be the pick for SC

Says they want the ball in his hands as much as possible, and that he somewhat broke out last year but he thinks he will really break out this year

445k

Witherden, Salem, Mills, Williams, Roberton, Duursma

A very youthful line that saves heaps of $$$

Then aim to get two of Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, Whitfield, Simmo when they've dropped closer to 500k to finish off the line

Tempting...
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: hawkers65 on February 27, 2019, 09:12:46 AM
Max Gawn reckons Salem will be the pick for SC

Says they want the ball in his hands as much as possible, and that he somewhat broke out last year but he thinks he will really break out this year

445k

Witherden, Salem, Mills, Williams, Roberton, Duursma

A very youthful line that saves heaps of $$$

Then aim to get two of Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, Whitfield, Simmo when they've dropped closer to 500k to finish off the line

Tempting...

Josh Jenkins also came out and said Wayne Milera could be the best half back to every play the game. Gonna pick him as well? ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 27, 2019, 09:14:59 AM
Max Gawn reckons Salem will be the pick for SC

Says they want the ball in his hands as much as possible, and that he somewhat broke out last year but he thinks he will really break out this year

445k

Witherden, Salem, Mills, Williams, Roberton, Duursma

A very youthful line that saves heaps of $$$

Then aim to get two of Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, Whitfield, Simmo when they've dropped closer to 500k to finish off the line

Tempting...

Josh Jenkins also came out and said Wayne Milera could be the best half back to every play the game. Gonna pick him as well? ;)

Well Milera certainly fits with this group too

I'm not going to do it, but it saves 350k over picking a few of the more expensive guys, so it could get you an extra prem on the park
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: elephants on February 27, 2019, 09:17:18 AM
Max Gawn reckons Salem will be the pick for SC

Says they want the ball in his hands as much as possible, and that he somewhat broke out last year but he thinks he will really break out this year

445k

Witherden, Salem, Mills, Williams, Roberton, Duursma

A very youthful line that saves heaps of $$$

Then aim to get two of Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, Whitfield, Simmo when they've dropped closer to 500k to finish off the line

Tempting...

Josh Jenkins also came out and said Wayne Milera could be the best half back to every play the game. Gonna pick him as well? ;)

Drop Mills and a rookie for Hanley and Smith for ultimate budget effect, then I'm interested
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HappyDEZ on February 27, 2019, 09:17:38 AM
Max Gawn reckons Salem will be the pick for SC

Says they want the ball in his hands as much as possible, and that he somewhat broke out last year but he thinks he will really break out this year

445k

Witherden, Salem, Mills, Williams, Roberton, Duursma

A very youthful line that saves heaps of $$$

Then aim to get two of Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, Whitfield, Simmo when they've dropped closer to 500k to finish off the line

Tempting...

Josh Jenkins also came out and said Wayne Milera could be the best half back to every play the game. Gonna pick him as well? ;)
Milera definately a serious breakout contender. Put the writing on the wall at the back end of the season. Hopefully he doesn't go bezerk cos he wont be in my side.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Holz on February 27, 2019, 09:23:31 AM
Max Gawn reckons Salem will be the pick for SC

Says they want the ball in his hands as much as possible, and that he somewhat broke out last year but he thinks he will really break out this year

445k

Witherden, Salem, Mills, Williams, Roberton, Duursma

A very youthful line that saves heaps of $$$

Then aim to get two of Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, Whitfield, Simmo when they've dropped closer to 500k to finish off the line

Tempting...

Josh Jenkins also came out and said Wayne Milera could be the best half back to every play the game. Gonna pick him as well? ;)
Milera definately a serious breakout contender. Put the writing on the wall at the back end of the season. Hopefully he doesn't go bezerk cos he wont be in my side.
kinda makes Brodie Smith a even worse pick now.

Laird, Milera rising there jsut wont be  that many points down back for the crows i think. Especially given your going to have the 4 mids taking alot of points.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: hawkers65 on February 27, 2019, 09:40:47 AM
Max Gawn reckons Salem will be the pick for SC

Says they want the ball in his hands as much as possible, and that he somewhat broke out last year but he thinks he will really break out this year

445k

Witherden, Salem, Mills, Williams, Roberton, Duursma

A very youthful line that saves heaps of $$$

Then aim to get two of Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, Whitfield, Simmo when they've dropped closer to 500k to finish off the line

Tempting...

Josh Jenkins also came out and said Wayne Milera could be the best half back to every play the game. Gonna pick him as well? ;)
Milera definately a serious breakout contender. Put the writing on the wall at the back end of the season. Hopefully he doesn't go bezerk cos he wont be in my side.
kinda makes Brodie Smith a even worse pick now.

Laird, Milera rising there jsut wont be  that many points down back for the crows i think. Especially given your going to have the 4 mids taking alot of points.

The point was more that clubs and players can say anything about their own. Its easy they're mates.

But yeah with Brodie its definitely a no for me.

Milera actually pulled some decent numbers at the end of last year tho interrestingly.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jvalles69 on February 27, 2019, 12:00:15 PM
Lots of love for Whitfield, does he get more attention now though?  Shiel's another one they've lost in recent years, who cops the first tag?  I'd be leaning towards Whitfield...
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on February 27, 2019, 12:03:43 PM
Milera v Witherden I may consider him,   not ahead of Zac Williams and Roberton though.
Final 6 Laird Whitfield Williams Simmo Roberton Sicily the others consist of crisp, lloyd, witherden, milera, mills and half a dozen others.   starting the 4 of the first 5 in my list.
Plenty of options which is why we play the game in the first place.    Remind again why I should start Darcy Moore?  Probably be F4 in my starting team.  Cant afford Greene.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: meow meow on February 27, 2019, 12:09:51 PM
Lots of love for Whitfield, does he get more attention now though?  Shiel's another one they've lost in recent years, who cops the first tag?  I'd be leaning towards Whitfield...
Has to be. An outsider with deadly disposal. Can't let them do whatever they want. Kelly just as tidy but harder to stop.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jvalles69 on February 27, 2019, 12:22:02 PM
Lots of love for Whitfield, does he get more attention now though?  Shiel's another one they've lost in recent years, who cops the first tag?  I'd be leaning towards Whitfield...
Has to be. An outsider with deadly disposal. Can't let them do whatever they want. Kelly just as tidy but harder to stop.

This is the reason why he hasn't come into my team once, Kelly and Coniglio run free over Whitfield...
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on February 27, 2019, 05:22:24 PM
Lots of love for Whitfield, does he get more attention now though?  Shiel's another one they've lost in recent years, who cops the first tag?  I'd be leaning towards Whitfield...
Has to be. An outsider with deadly disposal. Can't let them do whatever they want. Kelly just as tidy but harder to stop.

This is the reason why he hasn't come into my team once, Kelly and Coniglio run free over Whitfield...

I'd be shocked if any team tagged Whitfield before Kelly. How often do half back/wingers get tagged before the teams best mid? A defensive forward or someone that tries to make him accountable and hurt him going back the other way but I don't see anyone wearing him like a glove
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Pokerface on February 27, 2019, 05:56:08 PM
Lots of love for Whitfield, does he get more attention now though?  Shiel's another one they've lost in recent years, who cops the first tag?  I'd be leaning towards Whitfield...
Has to be. An outsider with deadly disposal. Can't let them do whatever they want. Kelly just as tidy but harder to stop.

This is the reason why he hasn't come into my team once, Kelly and Coniglio run free over Whitfield...

I'd be shocked if any team tagged Whitfield before Kelly. How often do half back/wingers get tagged before the teams best mid? A defensive forward or someone that tries to make him accountable and hurt him going back the other way but I don't see anyone wearing him like a glove

Quite often as the uncontested player is easier to shut down than the contested beast. Players like Isaac Smith, BHill, Gaff, Rich, Hanley come to mind as common targets but I'm sure there are more.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on February 27, 2019, 08:46:08 PM
Lots of love for Whitfield, does he get more attention now though?  Shiel's another one they've lost in recent years, who cops the first tag?  I'd be leaning towards Whitfield...
Has to be. An outsider with deadly disposal. Can't let them do whatever they want. Kelly just as tidy but harder to stop.

This is the reason why he hasn't come into my team once, Kelly and Coniglio run free over Whitfield...

I'd be shocked if any team tagged Whitfield before Kelly. How often do half back/wingers get tagged before the teams best mid? A defensive forward or someone that tries to make him accountable and hurt him going back the other way but I don't see anyone wearing him like a glove

Quite often as the uncontested player is easier to shut down than the contested beast. Players like Isaac Smith, BHill, Gaff, Rich, Hanley come to mind as common targets but I'm sure there are more.

Kelly is hardly a contested beast though. Teams aren't gonna let him roam free I wouldn't have thought in favour of tagging Whitfield
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HappyDEZ on February 27, 2019, 08:52:56 PM
Lots of love for Whitfield, does he get more attention now though?  Shiel's another one they've lost in recent years, who cops the first tag?  I'd be leaning towards Whitfield...
Has to be. An outsider with deadly disposal. Can't let them do whatever they want. Kelly just as tidy but harder to stop.
I agree with this. I am worried about a Whitfield tag AKA Sidey.

This is the reason why he hasn't come into my team once, Kelly and Coniglio run free over Whitfield...

I'd be shocked if any team tagged Whitfield before Kelly. How often do half back/wingers get tagged before the teams best mid? A defensive forward or someone that tries to make him accountable and hurt him going back the other way but I don't see anyone wearing him like a glove

Quite often as the uncontested player is easier to shut down than the contested beast. Players like Isaac Smith, BHill, Gaff, Rich, Hanley come to mind as common targets but I'm sure there are more.

Kelly is hardly a contested beast though. Teams aren't gonna let him roam free I wouldn't have thought in favour of tagging Whitfield
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HappyDEZ on February 27, 2019, 08:54:38 PM
Lots of love for Whitfield, does he get more attention now though?  Shiel's another one they've lost in recent years, who cops the first tag?  I'd be leaning towards Whitfield...
Has to be. An outsider with deadly disposal. Can't let them do whatever they want. Kelly just as tidy but harder to stop.
I agree with this. I am worried about a Whitfield tag AKA Sidey.

This is the reason why he hasn't come into my team once, Kelly and Coniglio run free over Whitfield...

I'd be shocked if any team tagged Whitfield before Kelly. How often do half back/wingers get tagged before the teams best mid? A defensive forward or someone that tries to make him accountable and hurt him going back the other way but I don't see anyone wearing him like a glove

Quite often as the uncontested player is easier to shut down than the contested beast. Players like Isaac Smith, BHill, Gaff, Rich, Hanley come to mind as common targets but I'm sure there are more.

Kelly is hardly a contested beast though. Teams aren't gonna let him roam free I wouldn't have thought in favour of tagging Whitfield
I agree with this. I am worried about a Whitfield tag AKA Sidey.
Supposed to be down here.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Pokerface on February 27, 2019, 09:42:49 PM
Lots of love for Whitfield, does he get more attention now though?  Shiel's another one they've lost in recent years, who cops the first tag?  I'd be leaning towards Whitfield...
Has to be. An outsider with deadly disposal. Can't let them do whatever they want. Kelly just as tidy but harder to stop.

This is the reason why he hasn't come into my team once, Kelly and Coniglio run free over Whitfield...

I'd be shocked if any team tagged Whitfield before Kelly. How often do half back/wingers get tagged before the teams best mid? A defensive forward or someone that tries to make him accountable and hurt him going back the other way but I don't see anyone wearing him like a glove

Quite often as the uncontested player is easier to shut down than the contested beast. Players like Isaac Smith, BHill, Gaff, Rich, Hanley come to mind as common targets but I'm sure there are more.

Kelly is hardly a contested beast though. Teams aren't gonna let him roam free I wouldn't have thought in favour of tagging Whitfield

Yeah sorry wrong terminology, i meant often outside runners (ie wingers) are targeted more than inside players.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on February 27, 2019, 09:57:29 PM
Yeah sorry wrong terminology, i meant often outside runners (ie wingers) are targeted more than inside players.

Hence why most average 90ish at best
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: ubeaut on February 28, 2019, 11:30:59 AM
Yeah sorry wrong terminology, i meant often outside runners (ie wingers) are targeted more than inside players.

Hence why most average 90ish at best
Nah I reckon inside and inside/outside hybrid mids get the most attention, of which Kelly is one. Titch, Cripps, Cotchin, Selwood, Pendles, Fyfe, GAJ, Dusty, Bont, Sloane, Sheil, Merrett, Shuey all prime targets and none are wingers.
Wingers only average 90ish because they have less contested possessions and tackles.
I'd be tagging Kelly as he is taggable, and can hurt inside and out.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: tommy10 on February 28, 2019, 01:43:54 PM
Yeah sorry wrong terminology, i meant often outside runners (ie wingers) are targeted more than inside players.

Hence why most average 90ish at best
Nah I reckon inside and inside/outside hybrid mids get the most attention, of which Kelly is one. Titch, Cripps, Cotchin, Selwood, Pendles, Fyfe, GAJ, Dusty, Bont, Sloane, Sheil, Merrett, Shuey all prime targets and none are wingers.
Wingers only average 90ish because they have less contested possessions and tackles.
I'd be tagging Kelly as he is taggable, and can hurt inside and out.
Im with ubeaut on this one. They would be crazy not to tag Kelly, he just so damaging by foot, gets contested ball, tackles and gets on the scoreboard most of the time.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: TableKing on February 28, 2019, 08:31:22 PM
I know its JLT but Nic Newman was quality tonight. Has definitely got me thinking about making him fit.
Seemed like an easy 90pt game tonight. Anyone else thinking the same?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bones Bombers on February 28, 2019, 08:54:20 PM
I know its JLT but Nic Newman was quality tonight. Has definitely got me thinking about making him fit.
Seemed like an easy 90pt game tonight. Anyone else thinking the same?
I have had him D4 almost all preseason. Took him out to experiment for a while but he has been back in for couple of weeks now and I don't think he'll be going out. I know that price is usually a difficult one but I'm thinking he'll become a keeper with the role they need him to play.

Watch his ownership percentage jump now haha.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 28, 2019, 09:07:40 PM
Newman is going to sucker in so many people now  ;D

Don't get me wrong, he's a decent player and he showed at Sydney that he is capable of scoring, but whether he can actually do it week in week out all season long? I still think he's fools gold and ends up in the 85ish range, which won't be good enough
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on February 28, 2019, 09:08:02 PM
I know its JLT but Nic Newman was quality tonight. Has definitely got me thinking about making him fit.
Seemed like an easy 90pt game tonight. Anyone else thinking the same?
I have had him D4 almost all preseason. Took him out to experiment for a while but he has been back in for couple of weeks now and I don't think he'll be going out. I know that price is usually a difficult one but I'm thinking he'll become a keeper with the role they need him to play.

Watch his ownership percentage jump now haha.

He looked good but still think he will average about 85-90 which is just awkward in a year where there is likely to be lots of 100+ defenders. McGrath impressed me more playing a lot on the wing and is cheaper than Newman
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: elephants on February 28, 2019, 09:37:10 PM
I know its JLT but Nic Newman was quality tonight. Has definitely got me thinking about making him fit.
Seemed like an easy 90pt game tonight. Anyone else thinking the same?
I have had him D4 almost all preseason. Took him out to experiment for a while but he has been back in for couple of weeks now and I don't think he'll be going out. I know that price is usually a difficult one but I'm thinking he'll become a keeper with the role they need him to play.

Watch his ownership percentage jump now haha.

He looked good but still think he will average about 85-90 which is just awkward in a year where there is likely to be lots of 100+ defenders. McGrath impressed me more playing a lot on the wing and is cheaper than Newman

Wouldn't read too much into it, Essendon had most of their top line mids on a strict rotation policy
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on February 28, 2019, 10:27:37 PM
I know its JLT but Nic Newman was quality tonight. Has definitely got me thinking about making him fit.
Seemed like an easy 90pt game tonight. Anyone else thinking the same?
I have had him D4 almost all preseason. Took him out to experiment for a while but he has been back in for couple of weeks now and I don't think he'll be going out. I know that price is usually a difficult one but I'm thinking he'll become a keeper with the role they need him to play.

Watch his ownership percentage jump now haha.

He looked good but still think he will average about 85-90 which is just awkward in a year where there is likely to be lots of 100+ defenders. McGrath impressed me more playing a lot on the wing and is cheaper than Newman

Wouldn't read too much into it, Essendon had most of their top line mids on a strict rotation policy

Definitely, but the bomber camp has been saying McGrath is moving into the midfield so was good to see it in action
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: AaronKirk on February 28, 2019, 11:48:51 PM
I know its JLT but Nic Newman was quality tonight. Has definitely got me thinking about making him fit.
Seemed like an easy 90pt game tonight. Anyone else thinking the same?
I have had him D4 almost all preseason. Took him out to experiment for a while but he has been back in for couple of weeks now and I don't think he'll be going out. I know that price is usually a difficult one but I'm thinking he'll become a keeper with the role they need him to play.

Watch his ownership percentage jump now haha.

He looked good but still think he will average about 85-90 which is just awkward in a year where there is likely to be lots of 100+ defenders. McGrath impressed me more playing a lot on the wing and is cheaper than Newman

Wouldn't read too much into it, Essendon had most of their top line mids on a strict rotation policy

Definitely, but the bomber camp has been saying McGrath is moving into the midfield so was good to see it in action

I tend to agree with you Quinny but given the low TOG percentages of mids such as Shiel and Zerrett tonight we need to see what they do with McGrath in the latter JLT when we have a proper practice match crack.

I'm pretty sure we will be resting a lot of players for JLT 2 so we have to see what we do in the other practice game.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: ben_020285 on March 01, 2019, 06:49:51 AM
I know its JLT but Nic Newman was quality tonight. Has definitely got me thinking about making him fit.
Seemed like an easy 90pt game tonight. Anyone else thinking the same?
I have had him D4 almost all preseason. Took him out to experiment for a while but he has been back in for couple of weeks now and I don't think he'll be going out. I know that price is usually a difficult one but I'm thinking he'll become a keeper with the role they need him to play.

Watch his ownership percentage jump now haha.

He looked good but still think he will average about 85-90 which is just awkward in a year where there is likely to be lots of 100+ defenders. McGrath impressed me more playing a lot on the wing and is cheaper than Newman

Wouldn't read too much into it, Essendon had most of their top line mids on a strict rotation policy

Definitely, but the bomber camp has been saying McGrath is moving into the midfield so was good to see it in action

The Bomber camp said that about McGrath last season too..
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: elephants on March 01, 2019, 08:58:29 AM
I know its JLT but Nic Newman was quality tonight. Has definitely got me thinking about making him fit.
Seemed like an easy 90pt game tonight. Anyone else thinking the same?
I have had him D4 almost all preseason. Took him out to experiment for a while but he has been back in for couple of weeks now and I don't think he'll be going out. I know that price is usually a difficult one but I'm thinking he'll become a keeper with the role they need him to play.

Watch his ownership percentage jump now haha.

He looked good but still think he will average about 85-90 which is just awkward in a year where there is likely to be lots of 100+ defenders. McGrath impressed me more playing a lot on the wing and is cheaper than Newman

Wouldn't read too much into it, Essendon had most of their top line mids on a strict rotation policy

Definitely, but the bomber camp has been saying McGrath is moving into the midfield so was good to see it in action

The Bomber camp said that about McGrath last season too..

Yep, and McGrath said it himself too. I believe it will happen more than last year but I doubt we are going to see him in there full time this year
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 01, 2019, 09:30:15 AM
In a side that has Heppell, Shiel, Zerrett, Zaha, Smith, Langford etc I would say there is next to no chance McGrath gets near 90+

Even last night - most of those guys barely played whilst he played mostly mid and still only scored 85

Will be a good long term player for the Dons, but I just can't see him being SC relevant this year/soon. Nice player to have for keeper leagues, but won't go near Top 10 SC DEF
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: eaglesman on March 01, 2019, 05:22:12 PM
In a side that has Heppell, Shiel, Zerrett, Zaha, Smith, Langford etc I would say there is next to no chance McGrath gets near 90+

Even last night - most of those guys barely played whilst he played mostly mid and still only scored 85

Will be a good long term player for the Dons, but I just can't see him being SC relevant this year/soon. Nice player to have for keeper leagues, but won't go near Top 10 SC DEF

Would not be in my top 30 considerations ...
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: frenzy on March 01, 2019, 05:50:22 PM
Newman is going to sucker in so many people now  ;D

Don't get me wrong, he's a decent player and he showed at Sydney that he is capable of scoring, but whether he can actually do it week in week out all season long? I still think he's fools gold and ends up in the 85ish range, which won't be good enough

We were spoilt last season having 4 defenders go 100+ and it wasn't that far back we were happy to have players like Simmo go 90 flat for the season after season. So 85 from Newman could well be enough, who knows. Newman would have finished inside last seasons top ten with an 85.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ricochet on March 01, 2019, 06:10:21 PM
Newman is going to sucker in so many people now  ;D

Don't get me wrong, he's a decent player and he showed at Sydney that he is capable of scoring, but whether he can actually do it week in week out all season long? I still think he's fools gold and ends up in the 85ish range, which won't be good enough

We were spoilt last season having 4 defenders go 100+ and it wasn't that far back we were happy to have players like Simmo go 90 flat for the season after season. So 85 from Newman could well be enough, who knows. Newman would have finished inside last seasons top ten with an 85.
I reckon it'll be unlikely that 85 will be enough frenzy, especially with some players benefiting from the new kick-in rules
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: frenzy on March 02, 2019, 07:53:30 AM
Newman is going to sucker in so many people now  ;D

Don't get me wrong, he's a decent player and he showed at Sydney that he is capable of scoring, but whether he can actually do it week in week out all season long? I still think he's fools gold and ends up in the 85ish range, which won't be good enough

We were spoilt last season having 4 defenders go 100+ and it wasn't that far back we were happy to have players like Simmo go 90 flat for the season after season. So 85 from Newman could well be enough, who knows. Newman would have finished inside last seasons top ten with an 85.
I reckon it'll be unlikely that 85 will be enough frenzy, especially with some players benefiting from the new kick-in rules

maybe ? I think I need new crystal ball
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 03, 2019, 11:33:19 PM
I'm thinking if there is a year and a line to grab mid price options, this is the year and the backs are the spot.

There is a strategy in NFL Fantasy Football called 0 Running Back (RB). It's basically that there are X amount of guys that are pure starters in the NFL that are worthy of their draft position. The idea is you draft guys in positions where you are more likely to get a known quantity early before filling out the rest of your team and getting guys that look like they could be in decent spots and produce. RB you typically have 2 or 3 guys that put up huge points and the rest appear to be a cluster. So once you don't have a shot of that 2 or 3 you wait for that cluster as long as possible.

Salary cap leagues are a bit different since everyone can start the same players. However backs this year have the same feel. You have two or three guys you could pony up the cash for and then the field is much of the same.

I think the value of guys like Mills, Newman, Williams, Roberton, Smith and even Witherden are too hard to pass up. You have guys in great situations that could very well be not that far off those 4 guys that cost 120-273k more and they are going to at worst be in that 2nd cluster of guys.

I'd be tempted to go '0 back' and not start any defender over 500k while loading up on the cheaper guys. You could also use guys like Brodie Smith and Dylan Roberton as stepping stones for those guys currently sitting north of 570k, Laird is the only guy I am considering in the upper echelon right now.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: eaglesman on March 04, 2019, 08:13:44 AM
I'm thinking if there is a year and a line to grab mid price options, this is the year and the backs are the spot.

There is a strategy in NFL Fantasy Football called 0 Running Back (RB). It's basically that there are X amount of guys that are pure starters in the NFL that are worthy of their draft position. The idea is you draft guys in positions where you are more likely to get a known quantity early before filling out the rest of your team and getting guys that look like they could be in decent spots and produce. RB you typically have 2 or 3 guys that put up huge points and the rest appear to be a cluster. So once you don't have a shot of that 2 or 3 you wait for that cluster as long as possible.

Salary cap leagues are a bit different since everyone can start the same players. However backs this year have the same feel. You have two or three guys you could pony up the cash for and then the field is much of the same.

I think the value of guys like Mills, Newman, Williams, Roberton, Smith and even Witherden are too hard to pass up. You have guys in great situations that could very well be not that far off those 4 guys that cost 120-273k more and they are going to at worst be in that 2nd cluster of guys.

I'd be tempted to go '0 back' and not start any defender over 500k while loading up on the cheaper guys. You could also use guys like Brodie Smith and Dylan Roberton as stepping stones for those guys currently sitting north of 570k, Laird is the only guy I am considering in the upper echelon right now.

I agree and I’m already doing this. Laird looked great the other day and if he plays so advanced up the ground in JLT2 then will be hard to ignore him.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jfitty on March 04, 2019, 08:31:30 AM
I'm thinking if there is a year and a line to grab mid price options, this is the year and the backs are the spot.

There is a strategy in NFL Fantasy Football called 0 Running Back (RB). It's basically that there are X amount of guys that are pure starters in the NFL that are worthy of their draft position. The idea is you draft guys in positions where you are more likely to get a known quantity early before filling out the rest of your team and getting guys that look like they could be in decent spots and produce. RB you typically have 2 or 3 guys that put up huge points and the rest appear to be a cluster. So once you don't have a shot of that 2 or 3 you wait for that cluster as long as possible.

Salary cap leagues are a bit different since everyone can start the same players. However backs this year have the same feel. You have two or three guys you could pony up the cash for and then the field is much of the same.

I think the value of guys like Mills, Newman, Williams, Roberton, Smith and even Witherden are too hard to pass up. You have guys in great situations that could very well be not that far off those 4 guys that cost 120-273k more and they are going to at worst be in that 2nd cluster of guys.

I'd be tempted to go '0 back' and not start any defender over 500k while loading up on the cheaper guys. You could also use guys like Brodie Smith and Dylan Roberton as stepping stones for those guys currently sitting north of 570k, Laird is the only guy I am considering in the upper echelon right now.

I agree and I’m already doing this. Laird looked great the other day and if he plays so advanced up the ground in JLT2 then will be hard to ignore him.

While I like the theory, the hardest part about Zero RB is picking the right running backs when you do start to draft them ;D

Starting say, Witherden, Smith and Newman might look good, but if they all go on to only average 80-85 then you're almost stuck with them.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Nige on March 04, 2019, 11:48:34 AM
I'm thinking if there is a year and a line to grab mid price options, this is the year and the backs are the spot.

There is a strategy in NFL Fantasy Football called 0 Running Back (RB). It's basically that there are X amount of guys that are pure starters in the NFL that are worthy of their draft position. The idea is you draft guys in positions where you are more likely to get a known quantity early before filling out the rest of your team and getting guys that look like they could be in decent spots and produce. RB you typically have 2 or 3 guys that put up huge points and the rest appear to be a cluster. So once you don't have a shot of that 2 or 3 you wait for that cluster as long as possible.

Salary cap leagues are a bit different since everyone can start the same players. However backs this year have the same feel. You have two or three guys you could pony up the cash for and then the field is much of the same.

I think the value of guys like Mills, Newman, Williams, Roberton, Smith and even Witherden are too hard to pass up. You have guys in great situations that could very well be not that far off those 4 guys that cost 120-273k more and they are going to at worst be in that 2nd cluster of guys.

I'd be tempted to go '0 back' and not start any defender over 500k while loading up on the cheaper guys. You could also use guys like Brodie Smith and Dylan Roberton as stepping stones for those guys currently sitting north of 570k, Laird is the only guy I am considering in the upper echelon right now.

I agree and I’m already doing this. Laird looked great the other day and if he plays so advanced up the ground in JLT2 then will be hard to ignore him.
Yeah, I'm also on board with this. Currently rolling with Laird, Witherden, Smith, Roberton from D1-4 and like the look of it. It's partially because I'm not fully trusting of anyone around Laird's price and because these other guys look to be significant value at a much bettter price while allowing me to structure other lines exactly as I want them.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 04, 2019, 12:06:39 PM
That could really backfire though, and you're left with a bunch of defenders going 80ish while the best are going 95+

Roberton is a no brainer because he's super cheap, and has 2 x years of proven 90+

Brodie could be a massive trap - pumped out a big score in his 2nd game back last year and did well again on the weekend, but history suggests he'll end up in the 80ish range

Guys like Witherden could go 90+ or they could end up in the high 80's again

Laird, Williams and Roberton are locked for me at the moment, but I'd be wanting a Lloyd/Sicily/Whitfield type I think just to bolster it up, because at least you pick them knowing they will be keepers all year, where as all of these 300-500k guys could be anything

That said, I can certainly see the appeal in this approach, even Mills looks juicy. Big risk big reward, or big fail?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on March 04, 2019, 12:17:22 PM
That could really backfire though, and you're left with a bunch of defenders going 80ish while the best are going 95+

Roberton is a no brainer because he's super cheap, and has 2 x years of proven 90+

Brodie could be a massive trap - pumped out a big score in his 2nd game back last year and did well again on the weekend, but history suggests he'll end up in the 80ish range

Guys like Witherden could go 90+ or they could end up in the high 80's again

Laird, Williams and Roberton are locked for me at the moment, but I'd be wanting a Lloyd/Sicily/Whitfield type I think just to bolster it up, because at least you pick them knowing they will be keepers all year, where as all of these 300-500k guys could be anything

That said, I can certainly see the appeal in this approach, even Mills looks juicy. Big risk big reward, or big fail?

Smith is still a cash cow, that negates the risk compared to picking Mills/Witherden/Newman. There's every chance he makes more cash than Duursma/Quaynor/Collins/Logue plus he could be a handy D6 if he hits top form.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 04, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
That could really backfire though, and you're left with a bunch of defenders going 80ish while the best are going 95+

Roberton is a no brainer because he's super cheap, and has 2 x years of proven 90+

Brodie could be a massive trap - pumped out a big score in his 2nd game back last year and did well again on the weekend, but history suggests he'll end up in the 80ish range

Guys like Witherden could go 90+ or they could end up in the high 80's again

Laird, Williams and Roberton are locked for me at the moment, but I'd be wanting a Lloyd/Sicily/Whitfield type I think just to bolster it up, because at least you pick them knowing they will be keepers all year, where as all of these 300-500k guys could be anything

That said, I can certainly see the appeal in this approach, even Mills looks juicy. Big risk big reward, or big fail?

Smith is still a cash cow, that negates the risk compared to picking Mills/Witherden/Newman. There's every chance he makes more cash than Duursma/Quaynor/Collins/Logue plus he could be a handy D6 if he hits top form.

Not sure he's a cash cow at 332k

Unless he pumps out several 100+ scores, he will struggle to get over 420k

He's a stepping stone who has a very small chance of being good enough for D6, but the problem I think a lot of people are going to face is having to blow so many precious trades on correcting and or upgrading all these speculative mid types

Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on March 04, 2019, 12:45:15 PM
That could really backfire though, and you're left with a bunch of defenders going 80ish while the best are going 95+

Roberton is a no brainer because he's super cheap, and has 2 x years of proven 90+

Brodie could be a massive trap - pumped out a big score in his 2nd game back last year and did well again on the weekend, but history suggests he'll end up in the 80ish range

Guys like Witherden could go 90+ or they could end up in the high 80's again

Laird, Williams and Roberton are locked for me at the moment, but I'd be wanting a Lloyd/Sicily/Whitfield type I think just to bolster it up, because at least you pick them knowing they will be keepers all year, where as all of these 300-500k guys could be anything

That said, I can certainly see the appeal in this approach, even Mills looks juicy. Big risk big reward, or big fail?

Smith is still a cash cow, that negates the risk compared to picking Mills/Witherden/Newman. There's every chance he makes more cash than Duursma/Quaynor/Collins/Logue plus he could be a handy D6 if he hits top form.

Not sure he's a cash cow at 332k

Unless he pumps out several 100+ scores, he will struggle to get over 420k

He's a stepping stone who has a very small chance of being good enough for D6, but the problem I think a lot of people are going to face is having to blow so many precious trades on correcting and or upgrading all these speculative mid types
Yeah Smith is in that awkward price range for a defender...to make enough cash to justify starting him, he just about has to put up premo numbers
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Money Shot on March 04, 2019, 02:43:04 PM
Roberton is the only one who needs to be locked in. Great price and could end up being D6

Smith is slightly too much and is destined for a mid 80s which won’t increase his price by much.

McGrath, Mills and Newman need to become premiums at there price. They possibly could but at this stage I’ll be passing.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: frenzy on March 04, 2019, 03:16:30 PM
Some of these premo Defs have me worried about backing up their output. So much so, I am planning to pass on them and wait for a hopeful reduction in cashola. I cannot see Simmo and Lloyd repeating the dose. May have to use some of these steppingstones in the intrim. Would rather start $600k mids, will sleep better.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on March 04, 2019, 03:42:25 PM
That could really backfire though, and you're left with a bunch of defenders going 80ish while the best are going 95+

Roberton is a no brainer because he's super cheap, and has 2 x years of proven 90+

Brodie could be a massive trap - pumped out a big score in his 2nd game back last year and did well again on the weekend, but history suggests he'll end up in the 80ish range

Guys like Witherden could go 90+ or they could end up in the high 80's again

Laird, Williams and Roberton are locked for me at the moment, but I'd be wanting a Lloyd/Sicily/Whitfield type I think just to bolster it up, because at least you pick them knowing they will be keepers all year, where as all of these 300-500k guys could be anything

That said, I can certainly see the appeal in this approach, even Mills looks juicy. Big risk big reward, or big fail?

Smith is still a cash cow, that negates the risk compared to picking Mills/Witherden/Newman. There's every chance he makes more cash than Duursma/Quaynor/Collins/Logue plus he could be a handy D6 if he hits top form.

Not sure he's a cash cow at 332k

Unless he pumps out several 100+ scores, he will struggle to get over 420k

He's a stepping stone who has a very small chance of being good enough for D6, but the problem I think a lot of people are going to face is having to blow so many precious trades on correcting and or upgrading all these speculative mid types

Most of the rookie defenders are in that annoying 150k range so will probably make 150k tops. Smith should hit 430k at some stage, he could even go higher if he gets on a run. Don't think there will be much in it to be honest & I'm happy to pay extra for some good job security.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 04, 2019, 03:51:40 PM
b smith will average more then z williams there i said it
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: hawkers65 on March 04, 2019, 04:11:08 PM
b smith will average more then z williams there i said it

Fairy Land
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on March 04, 2019, 05:08:25 PM
b smith will average more then z williams there i said it

Fairy Land
B smith,  where is the history showing his capacity and likelihood of going 90+.   Every year its the same, B Smith this and B Smith that and it always ends the same.   Downside just seems so much higher than upside.   Whitfield, Williams, Heater, Simpson, Mills, Lloyd, Crisp, Witherdon, Sicily all options to assess over the first half.   Why even bother with Smith.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on March 04, 2019, 07:01:09 PM
b smith will average more then z williams there i said it

Fairy Land
B smith,  where is the history showing his capacity and likelihood of going 90+.   Every year its the same, B Smith this and B Smith that and it always ends the same.   Downside just seems so much higher than upside.   Whitfield, Williams, Heater, Simpson, Mills, Lloyd, Crisp, Witherdon, Sicily all options to assess over the first half.   Why even bother with Smith.

Because he's only 150k more than most of the rookies, I place him in the same boat as Roberton, not someone you'd pick in the 450k region but certainly viable as a mid pricer with upside & guaranteed earnings potential. Smith & Roberton come in at just over 600k, I think you'd be very hard pressed to come up with a better combo using the same dosh.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Pokerface on March 04, 2019, 10:14:39 PM
b smith will average more then z williams there i said it

Fairy Land
B smith,  where is the history showing his capacity and likelihood of going 90+.   Every year its the same, B Smith this and B Smith that and it always ends the same.   Downside just seems so much higher than upside.   Whitfield, Williams, Heater, Simpson, Mills, Lloyd, Crisp, Witherdon, Sicily all options to assess over the first half.   Why even bother with Smith.
:o
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Holz on March 04, 2019, 10:31:19 PM
b smith will average more then z williams there i said it

Fairy Land
B smith,  where is the history showing his capacity and likelihood of going 90+.   Every year its the same, B Smith this and B Smith that and it always ends the same.   Downside just seems so much higher than upside.   Whitfield, Williams, Heater, Simpson, Mills, Lloyd, Crisp, Witherdon, Sicily all options to assess over the first half.   Why even bother with Smith.

Because he's only 150k more than most of the rookies, I place him in the same boat as Roberton, not someone you'd pick in the 450k region but certainly viable as a mid pricer with upside & guaranteed earnings potential. Smith & Roberton come in at just over 600k, I think you'd be very hard pressed to come up with a better combo using the same dosh.

He is 330k

Thats 200k more then jones durrsma hore burgees.

For 70k more you can get williams.

Roberton is a fine pick as he is 30k cheaper and has gone 90+


Toby Greene is 20k more and mucg betted then smith
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 04, 2019, 10:53:39 PM
Smith has gone 90+ before. It's been a while, but lets not pretend he hasn't. What's funny is people are willing to pick spuds like Darcy Moore, Roberton coming off a heart issue playing a different role and just about any other hack taking kick out duties but Smith is some rubbish player that has no shot of being a legitimate stepping stone for a fickle position.

Defense has always been the line to go cheap. Lloyd, Sicily, Hurn and Crisp were all that awkward 400k range last year. Smith will have a fantasy friendly role at the Crows and they will want the ball in his hands along with Milera. He was the kickout king at the Crows before his injury. The only reason he may be fools gold right now is we don't know if Luke Brown is the preferred kickout option since it was his job last year. At 330k you're also not picking him as a keeper, it would be as a stepping stone that you can turn into a premium at another point. His scoring won't be that different from Roberton
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 04, 2019, 10:56:42 PM
Feeling good about my def now

1 500k + player, 1 450-500k player, Williams, Roberton, Collins, Clark/Duursma with Burgess/Hore/Jones bench

Beautiful
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: enzedder on March 05, 2019, 07:01:54 AM
Feeling good about my def now

1 500k + player, 1 450-500k player, Williams, Roberton, Collins, Clark/Duursma with Burgess/Hore/Jones bench

Beautiful
Same. Looks standard and rather easy to come to. Laird and Lloyd have never been in my plans, upgrade targets for me.
Defence doesn’t look like it will cause many headaches.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 05, 2019, 08:40:19 AM
Looking like Sicily is going to be the swingman, playing forward and back, and according to HS will rotate with Gunston

Not sure I'd want to be starting him now - could be quite inconsistent now if he does play at both ends
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on March 05, 2019, 08:44:56 AM
Sicily was on the margin for first half of the season and now is definitely a wait and see  Perhaps Hawks might move him down back later in the year.   
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: hawkers65 on March 05, 2019, 09:40:07 AM
Gunston has been a swingman for some time and has been so consistent in SC as a result. You keep in mind even if he is a swingman he'll still be playing more back than fwd. But he is coming off a 105, realistically a swingman wont hit that.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Southstorm on March 05, 2019, 10:04:21 AM
Hooker to miss six weeks with a calf, Ridley should now be a lock.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on March 05, 2019, 10:17:05 AM
not sure where you fit Ridley in?   What are you expecting from him?   I dont have the cash to upgrade a collins or clark and dont want to downgrade roberton.  Not sure he is a viable option at the price point.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Southstorm on March 05, 2019, 10:44:47 AM
not sure where you fit Ridley in?   What are you expecting from him?   I dont have the cash to upgrade a collins or clark and dont want to downgrade roberton.  Not sure he is a viable option at the price point.
D5 at the expense of Collins, much better prospect IMO for $50k extra.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on March 05, 2019, 10:49:09 AM
I can see collins may turn into a slow burn.  if you need cash trade down a zerrett, matt crouch type if you have one in the mids to b crouch.  save 100K plus for similar output. 
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: imjusflexin on March 05, 2019, 01:43:43 PM
not sure where you fit Ridley in?   What are you expecting from him?   I dont have the cash to upgrade a collins or clark and dont want to downgrade roberton.  Not sure he is a viable option at the price point.
D5 at the expense of Collins, much better prospect IMO for $50k extra.
Couldn't agree less.. Ridley is a nice young player but would be surprised if he's played ahead of Ambrose, Hartley etc, while Collins seems pretty safe in the best 22.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 05, 2019, 04:35:06 PM
Adelaide: Luke Brown (Ankle) will undergo surgery, out for 2 months


good news for b smith will take most of the kick ins now
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: AaronKirk on March 05, 2019, 08:13:13 PM
Hooker to miss six weeks with a calf, Ridley should now be a lock.

Depends how our defense sets up. Hurley and Ambrose to play 1v1 roles with Francis the intercept mark player with Saad/McKenna/McGrath etc the smaller defenders.

Wouldn't be rushing him in. 1 bad game in the seniors if Ridley is picked and he could be back to reserve grade. He is an awkward price.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Southstorm on March 05, 2019, 08:52:59 PM
Hooker to miss six weeks with a calf, Ridley should now be a lock.

Depends how our defense sets up. Hurley and Ambrose to play 1v1 roles with Francis the intercept mark player with Saad/McKenna/McGrath etc the smaller defenders.

Wouldn't be rushing him in. 1 bad game in the seniors if Ridley is picked and he could be back to reserve grade. He is an awkward price.
I think he's worth the punt. Last year we always seemed to go 3 tall and 3 small with Goddard loose at half back. His biggest competition IMHO was Francis, but he'll now be third tall for sure with Hooker going down for six weeks. Gleeson & Redman won't be back to pressure his spot anytime soon either.

Another good performance in JLT2 and I'll definitely be squeezing him in.


Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on March 05, 2019, 09:24:02 PM
b smith will average more then z williams there i said it

Fairy Land
B smith,  where is the history showing his capacity and likelihood of going 90+.   Every year its the same, B Smith this and B Smith that and it always ends the same.   Downside just seems so much higher than upside.   Whitfield, Williams, Heater, Simpson, Mills, Lloyd, Crisp, Witherdon, Sicily all options to assess over the first half.   Why even bother with Smith.

Because he's only 150k more than most of the rookies, I place him in the same boat as Roberton, not someone you'd pick in the 450k region but certainly viable as a mid pricer with upside & guaranteed earnings potential. Smith & Roberton come in at just over 600k, I think you'd be very hard pressed to come up with a better combo using the same dosh.

He is 330k

Thats 200k more then jones durrsma hore burgees.

For 70k more you can get williams.

Roberton is a fine pick as he is 30k cheaper and has gone 90+


Toby Greene is 20k more and mucg betted then smith

Have Williams, Roberton & Greene & I believe Smith is the next best option in the mid price range. The guys you mention are suitable for the bench & have suspect job security. If after 2 rounds Smith isn't averaging 80 & one of the rookies kills it I'll use a correction trade but I think 330k is fair weight.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: StuL on March 05, 2019, 09:40:32 PM
Is Williams at D1 madness? I don't think so but. Maybe it is. This year IS different though. In the past our top line defenders have been low 5s. The top 3 at least all look way overs. And with the kick in rules as long as you pick players on kick ins, they will score even if not having a huge game. AND, guys like Robo and Williams aren't genuine mid pricers, fallen premos who should bounce back.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Slim Don on March 05, 2019, 09:58:37 PM
Hooker to miss six weeks with a calf, Ridley should now be a lock.

Depends how our defense sets up. Hurley and Ambrose to play 1v1 roles with Francis the intercept mark player with Saad/McKenna/McGrath etc the smaller defenders.

Wouldn't be rushing him in. 1 bad game in the seniors if Ridley is picked and he could be back to reserve grade. He is an awkward price.

Agreed. Can’t see how Hooker going down affects Ridleys prospects at all. Ridley is an outside distributor type with a good leg. Hooker is a key defender/swing man. The players whose JS/TOG/role who would be affected by his injury would be Ambrose, Hartley, Francis
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Slim Don on March 05, 2019, 10:09:46 PM
b smith will average more then z williams there i said it

Fairy Land
B smith,  where is the history showing his capacity and likelihood of going 90+.   Every year its the same, B Smith this and B Smith that and it always ends the same.   Downside just seems so much higher than upside.   Whitfield, Williams, Heater, Simpson, Mills, Lloyd, Crisp, Witherdon, Sicily all options to assess over the first half.   Why even bother with Smith.

Because he's only 150k more than most of the rookies, I place him in the same boat as Roberton, not someone you'd pick in the 450k region but certainly viable as a mid pricer with upside & guaranteed earnings potential. Smith & Roberton come in at just over 600k, I think you'd be very hard pressed to come up with a better combo using the same dosh.

He is 330k

Thats 200k more then jones durrsma hore burgees.

For 70k more you can get williams.

Roberton is a fine pick as he is 30k cheaper and has gone 90+


Toby Greene is 20k more and mucg betted then smith

Have Williams, Roberton & Greene & I believe Smith is the next best option in the mid price range. The guys you mention are suitable for the bench & have suspect job security. If after 2 rounds Smith isn't averaging 80 & one of the rookies kills it I'll use a correction trade but I think 330k is fair weight.

But is 80 really good enough? Your not making any cash and a good rookie can potentially maintain a 75k average for 6-8 rounds even in defence (think finlayson, Oxley, K.Macintosh, Maynard from the past few years) who nobody knew squat about or mentioned as viable options before JLT performances. Enough Decent scoring rookie options generally pop up and if I’m paying 330k for a guy I want 90 minimum, which Smith has done once in his career, 5 years ago
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on March 05, 2019, 11:11:55 PM
b smith will average more then z williams there i said it

Fairy Land
B smith,  where is the history showing his capacity and likelihood of going 90+.   Every year its the same, B Smith this and B Smith that and it always ends the same.   Downside just seems so much higher than upside.   Whitfield, Williams, Heater, Simpson, Mills, Lloyd, Crisp, Witherdon, Sicily all options to assess over the first half.   Why even bother with Smith.

Because he's only 150k more than most of the rookies, I place him in the same boat as Roberton, not someone you'd pick in the 450k region but certainly viable as a mid pricer with upside & guaranteed earnings potential. Smith & Roberton come in at just over 600k, I think you'd be very hard pressed to come up with a better combo using the same dosh.

He is 330k

Thats 200k more then jones durrsma hore burgees.

For 70k more you can get williams.

Roberton is a fine pick as he is 30k cheaper and has gone 90+


Toby Greene is 20k more and mucg betted then smith

Have Williams, Roberton & Greene & I believe Smith is the next best option in the mid price range. The guys you mention are suitable for the bench & have suspect job security. If after 2 rounds Smith isn't averaging 80 & one of the rookies kills it I'll use a correction trade but I think 330k is fair weight.

But is 80 really good enough? Your not making any cash and a good rookie can potentially maintain a 75k average for 6-8 rounds even in defence (think finlayson, Oxley, K.Macintosh, Maynard from the past few years) who nobody knew squat about or mentioned as viable options before JLT performances. Enough Decent scoring rookie options generally pop up and if I’m paying 330k for a guy I want 90 minimum, which Smith has done once in his career, 5 years ago

Granted he does come with risk, I checked his price variance since his AA year & he always clocks in at 450k at some stage. The real question is whether he does this early or late, his last 13 matches have been pretty solid with seven 90+ scores in 13 matches. At the age of 27 he should be approaching peak performance & may even benefit from the new kick out rules. With many people running with Collins I don't think it's outlandish to pay 140k more for a guy who has significant upside. Don't think he's a keeper but he could be very handy as a potential upgrade over the bye period. Round 14 bye as well so perfect timing to get a top 6 back into the side.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jvalles69 on March 06, 2019, 02:19:15 PM
Laird has said Smith will be taking all the kick-ins and will be playing on at any opportunity.  ??? How am I going to fit this guy in aswell!??  ::)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: _wato on March 06, 2019, 02:47:09 PM
Laird has said Smith will be taking all the kick-ins and will be playing on at any opportunity.  ??? How am I going to fit this guy in aswell!??  ::)

How madness is it to go Laird > Smith and upgrade Hately to say a Dom Sheed? Could easily cost me same trades if Smith reaches 450 and Sheed based off current form goes north of 500k. Risky as hell though.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jvalles69 on March 06, 2019, 02:54:43 PM
Laird has said Smith will be taking all the kick-ins and will be playing on at any opportunity.  ??? How am I going to fit this guy in aswell!??  ::)

How madness is it to go Laird > Smith and upgrade Hately to say a Dom Sheed? Could easily cost me same trades if Smith reaches 450 and Sheed based off current form goes north of 500k. Risky as hell though.

That is mid price mayhem!  Might do something like that in AF though, not SC.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Money Shot on March 06, 2019, 02:56:22 PM
Laird has said Smith will be taking all the kick-ins and will be playing on at any opportunity.  ??? How am I going to fit this guy in aswell!??  ::)
I personally have just went Laird to Smith

Williams, Newman, McGrath, Smith, Roberton, Clark (Burgess, Hore)

Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jvalles69 on March 06, 2019, 03:07:17 PM
Laird has said Smith will be taking all the kick-ins and will be playing on at any opportunity.  ??? How am I going to fit this guy in aswell!??  ::)
I personally have just went Laird to Smith

Williams, Newman, McGrath, Smith, Roberton, Clark (Burgess, Hore)

Holy hell.  Wonder how many of this have something similar only to reverse changes back to Laird, Whitfield/Lloyd, Williams right before round 1 starts, lol.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Money Shot on March 06, 2019, 03:28:46 PM
Laird has said Smith will be taking all the kick-ins and will be playing on at any opportunity.  ??? How am I going to fit this guy in aswell!??  ::)
I personally have just went Laird to Smith

Williams, Newman, McGrath, Smith, Roberton, Clark (Burgess, Hore)

Holy hell.  Wonder how many of this have something similar only to reverse changes back to Laird, Whitfield/Lloyd, Williams right before round 1 starts, lol.
Hahahaha the more I look at it the more I like it!!!
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Rusty00 on March 06, 2019, 03:49:22 PM
Laird has said Smith will be taking all the kick-ins and will be playing on at any opportunity.  ??? How am I going to fit this guy in aswell!??  ::)
Wasn't this just some banter on twitter some time ago? Or is this something different?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jvalles69 on March 06, 2019, 04:06:41 PM
Laird has said Smith will be taking all the kick-ins and will be playing on at any opportunity.  ??? How am I going to fit this guy in aswell!??  ::)
Wasn't this just some banter on twitter some time ago? Or is this something different?

Only saw the quotes and comments pop up today on twitter.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on March 06, 2019, 04:11:06 PM
what difference will who takes the kickin make in SC scoring output.   That is not clear to me yet, so why change.   No way in hell am I expecting Brodie Smith to be top 10 defender.   
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 06, 2019, 04:36:52 PM
He doesn't have to be top 10, just a good stepping stone. 0 back is the future
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: dmac07 on March 06, 2019, 05:41:49 PM
Laird has said Smith will be taking all the kick-ins and will be playing on at any opportunity.  ??? How am I going to fit this guy in aswell!??  ::)
I personally have just went Laird to Smith

Williams, Newman, McGrath, Smith, Roberton, Clark (Burgess, Hore)

Holy hell.  Wonder how many of this have something similar only to reverse changes back to Laird, Whitfield/Lloyd, Williams right before round 1 starts, lol.
Hahahaha the more I look at it the more I like it!!!

In one way, it looks tempting.. in another way, it could 1 or 0 keepers.. a lot of trades needed
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on March 06, 2019, 07:24:35 PM
Laird has said Smith will be taking all the kick-ins and will be playing on at any opportunity.  ??? How am I going to fit this guy in aswell!??  ::)
I personally have just went Laird to Smith

Williams, Newman, McGrath, Smith, Roberton, Clark (Burgess, Hore)

Holy hell.  Wonder how many of this have something similar only to reverse changes back to Laird, Whitfield/Lloyd, Williams right before round 1 starts, lol.
Hahahaha the more I look at it the more I like it!!!

In one way, it looks tempting.. in another way, it could 1 or 0 keepers.. a lot of trades needed
The more I look at it the more I hate it. Starting 3 of them is asking for trouble, but starting 5? No thank you my good sir.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: _wato on March 07, 2019, 08:15:09 PM
Anyone interested by 260k Harry Taylor?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Nige on March 07, 2019, 08:22:40 PM
Anyone interested by 260k Harry Taylor?
Reckon you've had one too many frothies here, wato
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: _wato on March 07, 2019, 08:39:02 PM
Anyone interested by 260k Harry Taylor?
Reckon you've had one too many frothies here, wato

Tell me why. Missed 12 games in 10 years. 6/10 years over 81, including 2x 87 avg and 94 avg.
Was injured early in JLT 1 but scored 10 in 12% game time. Just went and had 23 at 80% with 11 contested possies, probably a ton in SC if I'm honest. Playing his true defensive position, won't have to be thrown around anymore like a used condom.

Only 260k, don't see any reason why he can't make a reasonable 150k plus he has genuine ability to go 80+
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Nige on March 07, 2019, 08:46:14 PM
Anyone interested by 260k Harry Taylor?
Reckon you've had one too many frothies here, wato

Tell me why. Missed 12 games in 10 years. 6/10 years over 81, including 2x 87 avg and 94 avg.
Was injured early in JLT 1 but scored 10 in 12% game time. Just went and had 23 at 80% with 11 contested possies, probably a ton in SC if I'm honest. Playing his true defensive position, won't have to be thrown around anymore like a used condom.

Only 260k, don't see any reason why he can't make a reasonable 150k plus he has genuine ability to go 80+
I was just commenting on your love for a cold beverage or several, not the HT pick.  8)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: batt on March 07, 2019, 08:47:19 PM
Methinks recency bias is about the only reason Michael Hurley is in only 2% of teams.

I could understand... 8%.  But 2%?  Jamie Macmillan is in more teams.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: eaglesman on March 07, 2019, 08:49:44 PM
Methinks recency bias is about the only reason Michael Hurley is in only 2% of teams.

I could understand... 8%.  But 2%?  Jamie Macmillan is in more teams.

Michael Hurley is good at lots of facets of the game but not very good at any of them. Frustrating player imo
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 07, 2019, 08:51:33 PM
Methinks recency bias is about the only reason Michael Hurley is in only 2% of teams.

I could understand... 8%.  But 2%?  Jamie Macmillan is in more teams.

MacMillan banged out 136 last week

I'm surprised he isn't in 20% of teams...
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: hawkers65 on March 07, 2019, 08:53:41 PM
Methinks recency bias is about the only reason Michael Hurley is in only 2% of teams.

I could understand... 8%.  But 2%?  Jamie Macmillan is in more teams.

Hurley is an interesting one. Dominated 2017 and the start of 2018 but then went to poo. Did he go more lockdown? And if so is that changing this year?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: imjusflexin on March 07, 2019, 09:01:22 PM
Methinks recency bias is about the only reason Michael Hurley is in only 2% of teams.

I could understand... 8%.  But 2%?  Jamie Macmillan is in more teams.

Hurley is an interesting one. Dominated 2017 and the start of 2018 but then went to poo. Did he go more lockdown? And if so is that changing this year?
With Daniher back forward, and Stringer looking excellent, Hooker could go back to defence and free up Hurley. He was locked into my team until Hooker's injury. I wouldn't expect massive scores from him early but once Hooker's back Hurley could be a nice upgrade target.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: batt on March 07, 2019, 09:02:43 PM
Methinks recency bias is about the only reason Michael Hurley is in only 2% of teams.

I could understand... 8%.  But 2%?  Jamie Macmillan is in more teams.

Hurley is an interesting one. Dominated 2017 and the start of 2018 but then went to poo. Did he go more lockdown? And if so is that changing this year?
6-6-6 or whatever you want to call it - that should help him.  Less little floaters down back.  Let the big man get some cheapies!!
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: hawkers65 on March 07, 2019, 09:04:21 PM
4 out of 18 kick ins tonight were played on. Think everyones predictions of huge additional points are looking a little overzealous now.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on March 07, 2019, 09:08:56 PM
4 out of 18 kick ins tonight were played on. Think everyones predictions of huge additional points are looking a little overzealous now.

Is that a one off though? Havent seen the stats but from the games I've watched it looked like they were playing on more often than not
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on March 07, 2019, 09:11:56 PM
4 out of 18 kick ins tonight were played on. Think everyones predictions of huge additional points are looking a little overzealous now.

Is that a one off though? Havent seen the stats but from the games I've watched it looked like they were playing on more often than not
Definitely interesting. IIRC there was a stat in the womens which showed a huge increase in play-ons, and the first few JLT games seemed to be suggesting the same? Could be wrong, will have to see what happens over the next few days.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 07, 2019, 09:13:58 PM
Anyone interested by 260k Harry Taylor?

Meh, probably too likely to get thrown around and I don't know how I feel about the Cats backline. Hendo could be cooked and Taylor would have to lock down. Probably not playing that intercepting role anymore and from what I gather he may be fringe now.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: elephants on March 07, 2019, 09:18:44 PM
4 out of 18 kick ins tonight were played on. Think everyones predictions of huge additional points are looking a little overzealous now.

Is that a one off though? Havent seen the stats but from the games I've watched it looked like they were playing on more often than not

Mixed bag, a couple last week were at either ends of the spectrum (Swans game was fk all from memory)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: eaglesman on March 07, 2019, 09:24:32 PM
Anyone interested by 260k Harry Taylor?

Meh, probably too likely to get thrown around and I don't know how I feel about the Cats backline. Hendo could be cooked and Taylor would have to lock down. Probably not playing that intercepting role anymore and from what I gather he may be fringe now.

I like this post if it’s mesnt to deceive people? Other than that you show more Sc knowledge usually to be wasting your time here
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: StuL on March 07, 2019, 09:51:54 PM
Anyone interested by 260k Harry Taylor?

Think harder Homer
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: _wato on March 07, 2019, 09:57:45 PM
Anyone interested by 260k Harry Taylor?

Think harder Homer

cow I'll give you homer ya little bench steward
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: _wato on March 07, 2019, 10:21:49 PM
Also HT 107 tonight ya plebs
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jvalles69 on March 08, 2019, 09:28:11 AM
Milera?  Had a look at his end to the last season and it's quite nice...
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ricochet on March 08, 2019, 09:31:35 AM
Methinks recency bias is about the only reason Michael Hurley is in only 2% of teams.

I could understand... 8%.  But 2%?  Jamie Macmillan is in more teams.

Hurley is an interesting one. Dominated 2017 and the start of 2018 but then went to poo. Did he go more lockdown? And if so is that changing this year?
Think he battled with his body quite a bit last year. Sounds like he's had a pretty good preseason
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on March 08, 2019, 03:49:05 PM
Also HT 107 tonight ya plebs
always worth a look.  not sure I could pull the trigger.  doubt the consistency I want from a Def keeper will be there with HT.    Always throws in some big games though.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: SilverLion on March 08, 2019, 03:51:06 PM
Also HT 107 tonight ya plebs
always worth a look.  not sure I could pull the trigger.  doubt the consistency I want from a Def keeper will be there with HT.    Always throws in some big games though.
Cheap enough to take the punt. Prefer him to Ridley tbh. But tenfold prefer Roberton to both.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Southstorm on March 08, 2019, 03:59:16 PM
Methinks recency bias is about the only reason Michael Hurley is in only 2% of teams.

I could understand... 8%.  But 2%?  Jamie Macmillan is in more teams.

Hurley is an interesting one. Dominated 2017 and the start of 2018 but then went to poo. Did he go more lockdown? And if so is that changing this year?
With Daniher back forward, and Stringer looking excellent, Hooker could go back to defence and free up Hurley. He was locked into my team until Hooker's injury. I wouldn't expect massive scores from him early but once Hooker's back Hurley could be a nice upgrade target.
Essendon had a lot more success in the second half of the year with Hurley playing a traditional KPD role instead of seagulling around the half back line with Goddard. I daresay if they want to win games this year they'll keep it that way too.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jbjimmyjb on March 09, 2019, 05:01:25 PM
Thoughts on Harris Andrews?
Averaged 92 last year (not including his 22 when he was knocked out early)

Has a very SC friendly style with the number of spoils and intercept marks he takes.
Has also looked very good in the JLT; 87 in JLT1 and looks likely to ton up in JLT2.

At only 30k more than Witherden, I see him being much more likely to finish in the top 6 defenders.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on March 10, 2019, 12:47:58 PM
Thoughts on Harris Andrews?
Averaged 92 last year (not including his 22 when he was knocked out early)

Has a very SC friendly style with the number of spoils and intercept marks he takes.
Has also looked very good in the JLT; 87 in JLT1 and looks likely to ton up in JLT2.

At only 30k more than Witherden, I see him being much more likely to finish in the top 6 defenders.
Could easily go 95+, only thing would be that as a KPD, could see him drop in price a bit at some stage and pick him up a bit cheaper. WitherGOAT should be more consistent. But definitely a good option.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: hawkers65 on March 10, 2019, 12:50:56 PM
I had Mills cemented in my team with that talk of mid rotation, Lloyd out today probably could be the reason why but Mills has gone back to half back and is playing well... Idk if thats a good sign.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: batt on March 10, 2019, 12:57:32 PM
I had Mills cemented in my team with that talk of mid rotation, Lloyd out today probably could be the reason why but Mills has gone back to half back and is playing well... Idk if thats a good sign.
Game high 15 CBAs in JLT1.

Now playing deep back.  Who knows.  He doesn't really have the body to play midfield.  I wouldn't expect to see a lot of it.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Money Shot on March 10, 2019, 01:37:01 PM
I had Mills cemented in my team with that talk of mid rotation, Lloyd out today probably could be the reason why but Mills has gone back to half back and is playing well... Idk if thats a good sign.
He has definitely been on my watch list as well.

Williams, Smith and Roberton are all locked in my team so can’t really afford to risk it on another mid pricer.

McGrath and Newman the other two I think could kill it this year.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on March 10, 2019, 01:41:55 PM
Smith and Roberton the value risk plays,  the others are all hopeful breakouts.  Harder to predict a breakout. 
Anybody else concerned about Laird?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: hawkers65 on March 10, 2019, 01:43:44 PM
Smith and Roberton the value risk plays,  the others are all hopeful breakouts.  Harder to predict a breakout. 
Anybody else concerned about Laird?

People say dont worry about JLT but when it comes down to roles you can be worried. Milera and Smith look like real weapons that Laird didn't exactly have to deal with last year. I'm going Lloyd over Laird.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: AaronKirk on March 10, 2019, 01:47:40 PM
Smith and Roberton the value risk plays,  the others are all hopeful breakouts.  Harder to predict a breakout. 
Anybody else concerned about Laird?

People say dont worry about JLT but when it comes down to roles you can be worried. Milera and Smith look like real weapons that Laird didn't exactly have to deal with last year. I'm going Lloyd over Laird.

I have no knock on the Lloyd pick apart from price. He had a career best year last season. Just feel a bit sick spending 600k on a defender.

Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on March 10, 2019, 01:48:02 PM
Smith and Roberton the value risk plays,  the others are all hopeful breakouts.  Harder to predict a breakout. 
Anybody else concerned about Laird?

People say dont worry about JLT but when it comes down to roles you can be worried. Milera and Smith look like real weapons that Laird didn't exactly have to deal with last year. I'm going Lloyd over Laird.

Didn't see the game, what sort of differences did you notice?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on March 10, 2019, 01:52:14 PM
I had Mills cemented in my team with that talk of mid rotation, Lloyd out today probably could be the reason why but Mills has gone back to half back and is playing well... Idk if thats a good sign.
He has definitely been on my watch list as well.

Williams, Smith and Roberton are all locked in my team so can’t really afford to risk it on another mid pricer.

McGrath and Newman the other two I think could kill it this year.
Surely Newman is locked in for you if you expect him to lift the Bloos to 13th on the ladder
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Money Shot on March 10, 2019, 01:53:59 PM
I had Mills cemented in my team with that talk of mid rotation, Lloyd out today probably could be the reason why but Mills has gone back to half back and is playing well... Idk if thats a good sign.
He has definitely been on my watch list as well.

Williams, Smith and Roberton are all locked in my team so can’t really afford to risk it on another mid pricer.

McGrath and Newman the other two I think could kill it this year.
Surely Newman is locked in for you if you expect him to lift the Bloos to 13th on the ladder
Although my ladder prediction says 13th realistically I think we all know we will be finishing 16th this year.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: hawkers65 on March 10, 2019, 01:54:02 PM
Smith and Roberton the value risk plays,  the others are all hopeful breakouts.  Harder to predict a breakout. 
Anybody else concerned about Laird?

People say dont worry about JLT but when it comes down to roles you can be worried. Milera and Smith look like real weapons that Laird didn't exactly have to deal with last year. I'm going Lloyd over Laird.

Didn't see the game, what sort of differences did you notice?

Smith didnt play last year, so his general presence is one and they love it in his hands. Not to mention Milera had 29 touches out of defence at 100% DE. So thats two genuine elite ball users they enjoy using out of the backline. Only takes a couple possession losses a game and his 108 average drops back to 100. No doubt he has to be in your team at some point, but with how stacked Adelaides backline is im happy to wait and see. Likely to be able to grab him at 500k.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on March 10, 2019, 01:58:48 PM
Smith and Roberton the value risk plays,  the others are all hopeful breakouts.  Harder to predict a breakout. 
Anybody else concerned about Laird?

People say dont worry about JLT but when it comes down to roles you can be worried. Milera and Smith look like real weapons that Laird didn't exactly have to deal with last year. I'm going Lloyd over Laird.

Didn't see the game, what sort of differences did you notice?

Smith didnt play last year, so his general presence is one and they love it in his hands. Not to mention Milera had 29 touches out of defence at 100% DE. So thats two genuine elite ball users they enjoy using out of the backline. Only takes a couple possession losses a game and his 108 average drops back to 100. No doubt he has to be in your team at some point, but with how stacked Adelaides backline is im happy to wait and see. Likely to be able to grab him at 500k.

Interesting, will have a long think about this one, with the forward rookies looking poor beyond Setterfield/Drew/Balta/Parker might pay to grab another forward premo.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on March 10, 2019, 02:00:51 PM
Def now  Whitfield, Williams, Smith Roberton, scrimshaw clark, burgess, hore.
Freed up lots of cash.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: AaronKirk on March 10, 2019, 02:02:49 PM
Def now  Whitfield, Williams, Smith Roberton, scrimshaw clark, burgess, hore.
Freed up lots of cash.

Take out Whitfield for Collins and that is my current defense.

Collins 4 intercept marks so far today. Whilst expensive a rookie he plays every week for the Suns and should make decent cash.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on March 10, 2019, 02:11:10 PM
Def now  Whitfield, Williams, Smith Roberton, scrimshaw clark, burgess, hore.
Freed up lots of cash.

Take out Whitfield for Collins and that is my current defense.

Collins 4 intercept marks so far today. Whilst expensive a rookie he plays every week for the Suns and should make decent cash.

Burgess & Collins scoring very poorly, Burgess probably misses the cut. Thinking it's better to grab Duursma/Scrimshaw/Clark/Hore/Wilkie
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on March 10, 2019, 02:19:45 PM
Def now  Whitfield, Williams, Smith Roberton, scrimshaw clark, burgess, hore.
Freed up lots of cash.

Take out Whitfield for Collins and that is my current defense.

Collins 4 intercept marks so far today. Whilst expensive a rookie he plays every week for the Suns and should make decent cash.

Burgess & Collins scoring very poorly, Burgess probably misses the cut. Thinking it's better to grab Duursma/Scrimshaw/Clark/Hore/Wilkie
can wait for round 1 selections to finalise rookies.  js over points scoring capability I think.  slow burn can be frustrating, has the side benefit of saving trades sometimes
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: timtim on March 10, 2019, 04:46:13 PM
Def now  Whitfield, Williams, Smith Roberton, scrimshaw clark, burgess, hore.
Freed up lots of cash.

Take out Whitfield for Collins and that is my current defense.

Collins 4 intercept marks so far today. Whilst expensive a rookie he plays every week for the Suns and should make decent cash.

Burgess & Collins scoring very poorly, Burgess probably misses the cut. Thinking it's better to grab Duursma/Scrimshaw/Clark/Hore/Wilkie


DEF is where the value is at... Currently running Williams, Newman, Smith, Roberton, Ridley

Freed up cash. Kelly at F4, plus gawn and Grundy

Too risky??
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: SilverLion on March 10, 2019, 04:47:41 PM
Def now  Whitfield, Williams, Smith Roberton, scrimshaw clark, burgess, hore.
Freed up lots of cash.

Take out Whitfield for Collins and that is my current defense.

Collins 4 intercept marks so far today. Whilst expensive a rookie he plays every week for the Suns and should make decent cash.

Burgess & Collins scoring very poorly, Burgess probably misses the cut. Thinking it's better to grab Duursma/Scrimshaw/Clark/Hore/Wilkie


DEF is where the value is at... Currently running Williams, Newman, Smith, Roberton, Ridley

Freed up cash. Kelly at F4, plus gawn and Grundy

Too risky??
Yes
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: tkringle on March 10, 2019, 04:56:45 PM
Def now  Whitfield, Williams, Smith Roberton, scrimshaw clark, burgess, hore.
Freed up lots of cash.

Take out Whitfield for Collins and that is my current defense.

Collins 4 intercept marks so far today. Whilst expensive a rookie he plays every week for the Suns and should make decent cash.

Burgess & Collins scoring very poorly, Burgess probably misses the cut. Thinking it's better to grab Duursma/Scrimshaw/Clark/Hore/Wilkie


DEF is where the value is at... Currently running Williams, Newman, Smith, Roberton, Ridley

Freed up cash. Kelly at F4, plus gawn and Grundy

Too risky??
Yes
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: TommyC on March 10, 2019, 06:00:45 PM
Def now  Whitfield, Williams, Smith Roberton, scrimshaw clark, burgess, hore.
Freed up lots of cash.

Take out Whitfield for Collins and that is my current defense.

Collins 4 intercept marks so far today. Whilst expensive a rookie he plays every week for the Suns and should make decent cash.

Burgess & Collins scoring very poorly, Burgess probably misses the cut. Thinking it's better to grab Duursma/Scrimshaw/Clark/Hore/Wilkie


DEF is where the value is at... Currently running Williams, Newman, Smith, Roberton, Ridley

Freed up cash. Kelly at F4, plus gawn and Grundy

Too risky??
Yes
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: hawkers65 on March 10, 2019, 06:23:48 PM
Roberton felt "wonky" after todays JLT game. Was treated by doctors after the game...

No thank you
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 10, 2019, 06:43:23 PM
Roberton felt "wonky" after todays JLT game. Was treated by doctors after the game...

No thank you

Ugh... I might have to start Brodie Smith then. Don't really have a choice due to lack of good rookies. Flower
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: hawkers65 on March 10, 2019, 06:44:25 PM
I'd be more worried about his career than Round 1 at this point too... If it is heart related he is done. Just not worth the risk, its only football.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on March 10, 2019, 07:14:21 PM
Will wait on the doctor's report regarding Roberton but I've already got a contingency in place.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 10, 2019, 07:21:08 PM
Will wait on the doctor's report regarding Roberton but I've already got a contingency in place.

It's a shame, but I think he's too risky now. Every week, clenching our cheeks that he's going to get through and up for the next week

Won't rule him out completely just yet, but the risk factor just went right up
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on March 10, 2019, 07:25:22 PM
Will wait on the doctor's report regarding Roberton but I've already got a contingency in place.

It's a shame, but I think he's too risky now. Every week, clenching our cheeks that he's going to get through and up for the next week

Won't rule him out completely just yet, but the risk factor just went right up

Completely butchers my structure, thought I had everything settled. If I can find another cheap defensive rookie I may even bring in Libba, otherwise I'll have to drop Macrae which I'm very reluctant to do.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Nige on March 10, 2019, 07:27:37 PM
Yeah look, that's not great news and I sincerely hope he's okay, but at this stage I'll be keeping him until he's not named Round 1 or hear that he won't start Round 1. Of course, have already started sussing some viable back up options.

Really wasn't that interested and hadn't really considered him before today, but Hanley's a pretty nice price for what he can do.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: hawkers65 on March 10, 2019, 07:30:59 PM
Yeah look, that's not great news and I sincerely hope he's okay, but at this stage I'll be keeping him until he's not named Round 1 or hear that he won't start Round 1. Of course, have already started sussing some viable back up options.

Really wasn't that interested and hadn't really considered him before today, but Hanley's a pretty nice price for what he can do.

Yeah same, noticed his 76 SC from 54% TOG :o
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on March 10, 2019, 07:39:55 PM
Yeah look, that's not great news and I sincerely hope he's okay, but at this stage I'll be keeping him until he's not named Round 1 or hear that he won't start Round 1. Of course, have already started sussing some viable back up options.

Really wasn't that interested and hadn't really considered him before today, but Hanley's a pretty nice price for what he can do.

Yeah same, noticed his 76 SC from 54% TOG :o

Could be an option, only need him to have 6-7 solid games.

The other option for me is Macrae down to M.Crouch & Roberton up to Witherden.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Southstorm on March 10, 2019, 07:48:13 PM
Yeah look, that's not great news and I sincerely hope he's okay, but at this stage I'll be keeping him until he's not named Round 1 or hear that he won't start Round 1. Of course, have already started sussing some viable back up options.

Really wasn't that interested and hadn't really considered him before today, but Hanley's a pretty nice price for what he can do.

Yeah same, noticed his 76 SC from 54% TOG :o

Could be an option, only need him to have 6-7 solid games.

The other option for me is Macrae down to M.Crouch & Roberton up to Witherden.
Problem with Hanley is it will be Rd. 15 by the time he's had 6-7 solid games. The last time I went on the journey with him it was a flowering rollercoaster
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on March 10, 2019, 07:50:18 PM
Man that is sad news for Roberton.    Technically speaking with a defibrillator (ICD) inserted his major risk is mitigated.   Sounds like he has already had an ablation or two.   Hope he can keep playing if that is what he wants to do.   Mentally adjusting if he has a defibrillation can be difficult.       


Totally different but I have not been willing to risk any type of interval or HIIT training since I had same 4 years ago.    He is much younger and closest example of aussie athlete I know is Will Walker.

https://www.melbourneheartrhythm.com.au/patient-stories/72-will-walker

https://cyclingtips.com/2018/11/219-beats-per-minute-the-day-my-heart-short-circuited/


My thoughts are with him.



Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 10, 2019, 08:00:14 PM
Hanley is the clear choice in terms of smooth transition which has no impact on structure

I really liked the appeal of Robbo because I was picking him to be my permanent D6 come seasons end, but I'd expect Hanley would need to be upgraded at some point

I truly believe Hanley can go 85ish. The last two years he had the death of his brother plus numerous injury worries, but he seems to be passed it all now, and if he can stay fit then he can score well

On the other hand, I'm thinking I should just go GnR down back and be done with it. If I end up paying overs for some of the prems, then so be it, at least it's set and forget and then just upgrade the rookies in due course

I could also spend the extra 35k and grab Brodie instead

Defence is a flowering mess lol
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Southstorm on March 10, 2019, 08:03:38 PM
Hanley is the clear choice in terms of smooth transition which has no impact on structure

I really liked the appeal of Robbo because I was picking him to be my permanent D6 come seasons end, but I'd expect Hanley would need to be upgraded at some point

I truly believe Hanley can go 85ish. The last two years he had the death of his brother plus numerous injury worries, but he seems to be passed it all now, and if he can stay fit then he can score well

On the other hand, I'm thinking I should just go GnR down back and be done with it. If I end up paying overs for some of the prems, then so be it, at least it's set and forget and then just upgrade the rookies in due course

I could also spend the extra 35k and grab Brodie instead

Defence is a flowering mess lol
Problem with GnR down back is which guns you go with, I think that's why the 2-3 midpricer structures are so common at the moment because it's less confusing than trying to pick which defenders will be clear top 6 come end of season.

Not keen on any of Lloyd, Sicily or Simpson at their starting prices, having doubts about Laird & Whitfield and taking a punt on a Witherden or Andrews or similar seems just as risky.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on March 10, 2019, 08:08:10 PM
Not sold on Hanley, his body is too unreliable. Think the best thing I can do is bring in M.Crouch & Witherden for Macrae & Roberton, points wise I probably suffer a bit but hopefully can catch Macrae when he throws in a stinker. Witherden I think can hit 90 this year, once you factor in his injury hit 13 there's some sort of value, his form was also pretty good from round 12 onwards. 
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Nige on March 10, 2019, 08:10:18 PM
Definitely not sold on Hanley, but as RD said, it's an easy transition from Roberton if need be and as Bully said, he only needs about 6 weeks of solid scoring and he can be moved on. Roberton has better ability and potential to be a keeper, but obviously needs to play.

I just hope he's okay though, fantasy is irrelevant.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 10, 2019, 08:10:39 PM
Hanley is the clear choice in terms of smooth transition which has no impact on structure

I really liked the appeal of Robbo because I was picking him to be my permanent D6 come seasons end, but I'd expect Hanley would need to be upgraded at some point

I truly believe Hanley can go 85ish. The last two years he had the death of his brother plus numerous injury worries, but he seems to be passed it all now, and if he can stay fit then he can score well

On the other hand, I'm thinking I should just go GnR down back and be done with it. If I end up paying overs for some of the prems, then so be it, at least it's set and forget and then just upgrade the rookies in due course

I could also spend the extra 35k and grab Brodie instead

Defence is a flowering mess lol
Problem with GnR down back is which guns you go with, I think that's why the 2-3 midpricer structures are so common at the moment because it's less confusing than trying to pick which defenders will be clear top 6 come end of season.

Not keen on any of Lloyd, Sicily or Simpson at their starting prices, having doubts about Laird & Whitfield and taking a punt on a Witherden or Andrews or similar seems just as risky.

I think we're letting JLT results influence our thoughts on proven prems. Happens every year, and we all do it

A fit Brodie, and even Milera might see Laird drop back to 95-100 so he could hit 500k at one point, but sometimes do we just bite the bullet and cop the cash loss knowing that it will at least save us a trade later?

Sicily I have put a line through - just can't ride the rollercoaster if he's going to be a swing man now

Haven't really had Whitfield in my side much at all - expect him to avg the same so can get him later

Hurn took a step up last year, and the way we setup down back I expect him to be pretty similar

Lloyd/Laird/Simmo/Hurn are the 500k guys I would still consider

Either way, it's a real crap shoot right now
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on March 10, 2019, 08:15:12 PM
exactly rd and need to wait on them till slaughter time.  if robbo goes I will downgrade to ridley.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: tkringle on March 10, 2019, 10:25:15 PM
Hope everyone jumps off Robo.. any proof of the ‘feeling wonky’ comment? Could have been taken way out of context because of his history..
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 10, 2019, 10:27:45 PM
Hope everyone jumps off Robo.. any proof of the ‘feeling wonky’ comment? Could have been taken way out of context because of his history..

Plenty of proof. It's everywhere

Sounds like it might not be as bad as it was
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Southstorm on March 10, 2019, 10:29:08 PM
Hope everyone jumps off Robo.. any proof of the ‘feeling wonky’ comment? Could have been taken way out of context because of his history..
It's been reported from a few outlets that he complained of dizziness and the doctors attended so doesn't look like just a rumor unfortunately. The club is yet to say anything it seems so hopefully they'll address it with a condition update this week. At the very least it will be known if he doesn't train.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 10, 2019, 10:30:54 PM
Hope everyone jumps off Robo.. any proof of the ‘feeling wonky’ comment? Could have been taken way out of context because of his history..
It's been reported from a few outlets that he complained of dizziness and the doctors attended so doesn't look like just a rumor unfortunately. The club is yet to say anything it seems so hopefully they'll address it with a condition update this week. At the very least it will be known if he doesn't train.

Yes they have

Richo spoke about it in his presser. There's an article on the AFL website
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Southstorm on March 10, 2019, 10:43:53 PM
Hope everyone jumps off Robo.. any proof of the ‘feeling wonky’ comment? Could have been taken way out of context because of his history..
It's been reported from a few outlets that he complained of dizziness and the doctors attended so doesn't look like just a rumor unfortunately. The club is yet to say anything it seems so hopefully they'll address it with a condition update this week. At the very least it will be known if he doesn't train.

Yes they have

Richo spoke about it in his presser. There's an article on the AFL website
Fair enough. I was checking the club website for updates but they haven't posted anything about it yet
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Pokerface on March 11, 2019, 12:39:39 AM
If Roberton is too wonky for round 1, Darcy Moore is the answer to all your problems.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 11, 2019, 02:00:57 AM
If Roberton is too wonky for round 1, Darcy Moore is the answer to all your problems.

ridley>moore
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on March 11, 2019, 07:45:42 AM
c'mon kb  ridley is only for bomber supporters the rest can take moore.   
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: IntegralX on March 11, 2019, 08:49:12 AM
I really liked what I saw from Hurn last night, so much so that I’ve jumped off Whitfield for him.

I still think it’s too big of a risk to start the season without one of Lloyd/Laird though.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ricochet on March 11, 2019, 09:28:20 AM
If Roberton is too wonky for round 1, Darcy Moore is the answer to all your problems.
Yep that's what I'll be doing
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: oh_lol on March 11, 2019, 01:12:23 PM
I've been tempted by Ridley, although I could grab literally anyone else in DEF. Not sure I want to spend the $$$ though, would rather save a bit in case of trades and get some value for money right now.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Gandalf123 on March 11, 2019, 03:39:31 PM
Crispy
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: hawkers65 on March 11, 2019, 03:50:02 PM
So Moore is a snack. 79 and 97. Only 69%TOG in thr first one too
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on March 11, 2019, 04:13:09 PM
Crispy
starny
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Money Shot on March 11, 2019, 04:13:51 PM
So Moore is a snack. 79 and 97. Only 69%TOG in thr first one too
He’s in my side now.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: sammy123 on March 11, 2019, 04:33:00 PM
i did think crisp as d2
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: dmac07 on March 11, 2019, 05:00:24 PM
If Roberton is too wonky for round 1, Darcy Moore is the answer to all your problems.
Yep that's what I'll be doing

Everyone has been laughing at the idea of Moore, but I think today confirms he can be a scorer in his new role. Didnt have to do anything amazing today to go over 90, definately a repeatable performance.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: elephants on March 11, 2019, 09:02:23 PM
I really liked what I saw from Hurn last night, so much so that I’ve jumped off Whitfield for him.

I still think it’s too big of a risk to start the season without one of Lloyd/Laird though.

An unattractive pick but he will be reliable as.

i did think crisp as d2

His ceiling is elite for a defender, but coming off hip surgery is a concern
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: enzedder on March 12, 2019, 04:12:39 AM
Had Moore in, took him out but in light of Roberton’s injury I have brought Moore back in and used the extra cash to upgrade my F3.
Feel for Roberton. Must be scary as **** and potential career ender.
Even if he lines up R1 I’m not having Roberton now that Moore looks as good at a cheaper price.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LaHug on March 12, 2019, 07:36:03 AM
Strongly considering Robbo to Moore too. Will wait to hear what comes out during the week though.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 12, 2019, 07:42:09 AM
Robbo 100% gone for me

I hope he'll be ok and this won't cause him any more issues, but for SC I was picking him as a keeper and I just can't trust him to play 22

Brodie only 35k more, or Moore 50k less, so easy replacement, but 100% not picking him now
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on March 12, 2019, 11:40:14 AM
Robbo 100% gone for me

I hope he'll be ok and this won't cause him any more issues, but for SC I was picking him as a keeper and I just can't trust him to play 22

Brodie only 35k more, or Moore 50k less, so easy replacement, but 100% not picking him now

Yeh, think I'm out too.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jvalles69 on March 12, 2019, 12:19:36 PM
Robbo 100% gone for me

I hope he'll be ok and this won't cause him any more issues, but for SC I was picking him as a keeper and I just can't trust him to play 22

Brodie only 35k more, or Moore 50k less, so easy replacement, but 100% not picking him now

Yeh, think I'm out too.

I've turned Robbo to Smith and put Moore in the forward line at F4.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: walloo44 on March 12, 2019, 01:31:34 PM
Harris Andrews. Wasnt on my radar admittedly until post JLT 1, but having a look at last year, and the way he backed up in JLT 2 he seems a genuinely 95 average possibility. How do people see him compared to say Zach Williams?
 is 666 a worry for his marking numbers?

Would love some insight into him from someone whos followed him more closely than i have!
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on March 12, 2019, 01:40:28 PM
Harris Andrews. Wasnt on my radar admittedly until post JLT 1, but having a look at last year, and the way he backed up in JLT 2 he seems a genuinely 95 average possibility. How do people see him compared to say Zach Williams?
 is 666 a worry for his marking numbers?

Would love some insight into him from someone whos followed him more closely than i have!
It's mighty hard to say no to the 2019 AA full back, norm smith medallist, and most importantly, VIC state premier
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 12, 2019, 05:45:24 PM
Roberton update

"Obviously a few more tests to go through, like what happened last year, but hopefully we'll know more in a couple of days," Roberton told reporters on Tuesday.

The 27-year-old feels back to full health.

"I feel fine, so if I get the good news, I'm as fit as ever, so I'll be ready to go," Roberton said.

Despite immediate concerns (the players were addressed after the game to have their fears allayed), the backman himself isn't too worried.

"It wasn't too scary. You never really feel too good after a game anyway, so it wasn't too different, but I just thought obviously with what happened last year, I thought it was best to let the docs know and then take all the precautions," Roberton said.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on March 12, 2019, 06:10:32 PM
Roberton update

"Obviously a few more tests to go through, like what happened last year, but hopefully we'll know more in a couple of days," Roberton told reporters on Tuesday.

The 27-year-old feels back to full health.

"I feel fine, so if I get the good news, I'm as fit as ever, so I'll be ready to go," Roberton said.

Despite immediate concerns (the players were addressed after the game to have their fears allayed), the backman himself isn't too worried.

"It wasn't too scary. You never really feel too good after a game anyway, so it wasn't too different, but I just thought obviously with what happened last year, I thought it was best to let the docs know and then take all the precautions," Roberton said.

Interesting, will wait on the final word.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Money Shot on March 12, 2019, 07:06:45 PM
Roberton update

"Obviously a few more tests to go through, like what happened last year, but hopefully we'll know more in a couple of days," Roberton told reporters on Tuesday.

The 27-year-old feels back to full health.

"I feel fine, so if I get the good news, I'm as fit as ever, so I'll be ready to go," Roberton said.

Despite immediate concerns (the players were addressed after the game to have their fears allayed), the backman himself isn't too worried.

"It wasn't too scary. You never really feel too good after a game anyway, so it wasn't too different, but I just thought obviously with what happened last year, I thought it was best to let the docs know and then take all the precautions," Roberton said.

Interesting, will wait on the final word.
If he is named round 1 I will be picking him. 90 average at less than 300k??? Yes please.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: enzedder on March 12, 2019, 07:16:41 PM
Roberton update

"Obviously a few more tests to go through, like what happened last year, but hopefully we'll know more in a couple of days," Roberton told reporters on Tuesday.

The 27-year-old feels back to full health.

"I feel fine, so if I get the good news, I'm as fit as ever, so I'll be ready to go," Roberton said.

Despite immediate concerns (the players were addressed after the game to have their fears allayed), the backman himself isn't too worried.

"It wasn't too scary. You never really feel too good after a game anyway, so it wasn't too different, but I just thought obviously with what happened last year, I thought it was best to let the docs know and then take all the precautions," Roberton said.

Interesting, will wait on the final word.
If he is named round 1 I will be picking him. 90 average at less than 300k??? Yes please.
Absolutely understand that. The risk will be if he can play every week.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 12, 2019, 07:18:41 PM
Roberton update

"Obviously a few more tests to go through, like what happened last year, but hopefully we'll know more in a couple of days," Roberton told reporters on Tuesday.

The 27-year-old feels back to full health.

"I feel fine, so if I get the good news, I'm as fit as ever, so I'll be ready to go," Roberton said.

Despite immediate concerns (the players were addressed after the game to have their fears allayed), the backman himself isn't too worried.

"It wasn't too scary. You never really feel too good after a game anyway, so it wasn't too different, but I just thought obviously with what happened last year, I thought it was best to let the docs know and then take all the precautions," Roberton said.

Interesting, will wait on the final word.
If he is named round 1 I will be picking him. 90 average at less than 300k??? Yes please.
Absolutely understand that. The risk will be if he can play every week.

Yeah it's not a matter of value for money - he's super value and a potential keeper. The issue is, how much footy can he actually play? Looks to be a big risk
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on March 12, 2019, 07:57:47 PM
Had Moore in, took him out but in light of Roberton’s injury I have brought Moore back in and used the extra cash to upgrade my F3.
Feel for Roberton. Must be scary as **** and potential career ender.
Even if he lines up R1 I’m not having Roberton now that Moore looks as good at a cheaper price.
looks like this may be the best fall back option for roberton.  [/size]
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: PICCOLLO on March 12, 2019, 08:32:40 PM
Robbo in if named. Moore if not.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: IntegralX on March 13, 2019, 09:03:37 AM
How absolutely necessary is it to start with one of the top line defenders? I’ve seen a few teams around with Whitfield at d1 and after some playing around, having Whitfield at D1 allows me to get Moore at d5.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LaHug on March 13, 2019, 10:28:03 AM
How absolutely necessary is it to start with one of the top line defenders? I’ve seen a few teams around with Whitfield at d1 and after some playing around, having Whitfield at D1 allows me to get Moore at d5.

I have Witherden as D1. I don't think you need one of the top guys at all...
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: TommyC on March 13, 2019, 10:38:26 AM
How absolutely necessary is it to start with one of the top line defenders? I’ve seen a few teams around with Whitfield at d1 and after some playing around, having Whitfield at D1 allows me to get Moore at d5.

I have Witherden as D1. I don't think you need one of the top guys at all...
No need for the top guys.
I reckon most of them will drop in price.
Defence has a lot of value this year.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: _wato on March 13, 2019, 11:24:18 AM
Roberton big time locked. Richo and the docs have already said they've been over cautious with what happened on the weekend.

Any matter of things could cause a player to feel light headed. Yes Robbo is a different case but don't think it's as bad as everyone is making out.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on March 13, 2019, 11:36:43 AM
Roberton big time locked. Richo and the docs have already said they've been over cautious with what happened on the weekend.

Any matter of things could cause a player to feel light headed. Yes Robbo is a different case but don't think it's as bad as everyone is making out.

Being rational about it, if we didn't here about the news he would be a lock based on performance.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 13, 2019, 12:16:24 PM
Roberton big time locked. Richo and the docs have already said they've been over cautious with what happened on the weekend.

Any matter of things could cause a player to feel light headed. Yes Robbo is a different case but don't think it's as bad as everyone is making out.

Being rational about it, if we didn't here about the news he would be a lock based on performance.

But we did, and it's pretty damn serious

I want to start him, I really do because he's a bargain, but if he's going to have continual health concerns which lead to missing games then I don't want a bar of it

I've currently got Moore in, but have 60k sitting there just in case ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on March 13, 2019, 12:21:33 PM
Roberton big time locked. Richo and the docs have already said they've been over cautious with what happened on the weekend.

Any matter of things could cause a player to feel light headed. Yes Robbo is a different case but don't think it's as bad as everyone is making out.

Being rational about it, if we didn't here about the news he would be a lock based on performance.

But we did, and it's pretty damn serious

I want to start him, I really do because he's a bargain, but if he's going to have continual health concerns which lead to missing games then I don't want a bar of it

I've currently got Moore in, but have 60k sitting there just in case ;)

It is serious but with the amount of tests he's being put through you have to take the doctors on their word.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 13, 2019, 12:29:31 PM
Roberton big time locked. Richo and the docs have already said they've been over cautious with what happened on the weekend.

Any matter of things could cause a player to feel light headed. Yes Robbo is a different case but don't think it's as bad as everyone is making out.

Being rational about it, if we didn't here about the news he would be a lock based on performance.

But we did, and it's pretty damn serious

I want to start him, I really do because he's a bargain, but if he's going to have continual health concerns which lead to missing games then I don't want a bar of it

I've currently got Moore in, but have 60k sitting there just in case ;)

It is serious but with the amount of tests he's being put through you have to take the doctors on their word.

The Doctors gave him the all clear and he lasted 2 matches. This isn't some injury that recovers - the heart could result in anything.  Unfortunately I'm probably sticking firm and passing on him
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: sammy123 on March 13, 2019, 12:40:34 PM
Roberton big time locked. Richo and the docs have already said they've been over cautious with what happened on the weekend.

Any matter of things could cause a player to feel light headed. Yes Robbo is a different case but don't think it's as bad as everyone is making out.

Being rational about it, if we didn't here about the news he would be a lock based on performance.

But we did, and it's pretty damn serious

I want to start him, I really do because he's a bargain, but if he's going to have continual health concerns which lead to missing games then I don't want a bar of it

I've currently got Moore in, but have 60k sitting there just in case ;)

It is serious but with the amount of tests he's being put through you have to take the doctors on their word.

The Doctors gave him the all clear and he lasted 2 matches. This isn't some injury that recovers - the heart could result in anything.  Unfortunately I'm probably sticking firm and passing on him

My thoughts exactly RD
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on March 13, 2019, 01:04:58 PM
Roberton big time locked. Richo and the docs have already said they've been over cautious with what happened on the weekend.

Any matter of things could cause a player to feel light headed. Yes Robbo is a different case but don't think it's as bad as everyone is making out.

Being rational about it, if we didn't here about the news he would be a lock based on performance.

But we did, and it's pretty damn serious

I want to start him, I really do because he's a bargain, but if he's going to have continual health concerns which lead to missing games then I don't want a bar of it

I've currently got Moore in, but have 60k sitting there just in case ;)

It is serious but with the amount of tests he's being put through you have to take the doctors on their word.

The Doctors gave him the all clear and he lasted 2 matches. This isn't some injury that recovers - the heart could result in anything.  Unfortunately I'm probably sticking firm and passing on him

He finished the match though, think there's an element of over cautiousness in this particular case. If he's cleared for round 1 then I'm buying in.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: eaglesman on March 13, 2019, 02:03:18 PM
Williams is currently my d1

Rolling with a few of star prems forwArd.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Money Shot on March 13, 2019, 02:34:22 PM
Williams is currently my d1

Rolling with a few of star prems forwArd.
I’m following suit.

Matt Crouch at M6
Grundy/Gawn
Greene at F4
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: eaglesman on March 13, 2019, 02:54:06 PM
Williams is currently my d1

Rolling with a few of star prems forwArd.
I’m following suit.

Matt Crouch at M6
Grundy/Gawn
Greene at F4

Gee duno how you can afford matt crouch at m6 ... well done though
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 13, 2019, 03:31:08 PM
Williams is currently my d1

Rolling with a few of star prems forwArd.
I’m following suit.

Matt Crouch at M6
Grundy/Gawn
Greene at F4

Gee duno how you can afford matt crouch at m6 ... well done though

Probably has Darcy Moore/Roberton as D3 ?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jbjimmyjb on March 13, 2019, 03:35:15 PM
Williams is currently my d1

Rolling with a few of star prems forwArd.
I’m following suit.

Matt Crouch at M6
Grundy/Gawn
Greene at F4

Gee duno how you can afford matt crouch at m6 ... well done though

Probably has Darcy Moore/Roberton as D3 ?
Yea, his defence is Williams, Smith, Roberton + 3 rookies.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 13, 2019, 08:40:10 PM
I'm probably rolling without Zac Williams. I went back and looked at his scores the last two years he played. 2016 he had 4 tons (105, 110, 107 and the whopping 141) and 2017 he had 6 (109, 120, 109, 145, 139, 119).

When he goes big, he goes big, but he also average 83 from around the bye through finals in 2017 and has some real lean patches with multiple stinkers in a row in both seasons.

He is probably a 90 average defender which is certainly good at his price, but I don't think I'm going to lose all that much passing on him, especially if he starts in a rut with multiple crap scores in a row and people jump off with correction trades.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on March 13, 2019, 10:31:00 PM
I'm probably rolling without Zac Williams. I went back and looked at his scores the last two years he played. 2016 he had 4 tons (105, 110, 107 and the whopping 141) and 2017 he had 6 (109, 120, 109, 145, 139, 119).

When he goes big, he goes big, but he also average 83 from around the bye through finals in 2017 and has some real lean patches with multiple stinkers in a row in both seasons.

He is probably a 90 average defender which is certainly good at his price, but I don't think I'm going to lose all that much passing on him, especially if he starts in a rut with multiple crap scores in a row and people jump off with correction trades.

With all the uncertainty he's a no-brainer.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 13, 2019, 11:10:57 PM
Probably going to depend on how you structure up. If you were going to go one top end guy with Brodie Smithat D2 and Roberton at D3 he is expendable. Could also be one of those situations where not starting him gives you a leg up on the 33% of teams that do
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Money Shot on March 14, 2019, 08:06:51 AM
Is Pearce Hanley a viable back up option if Roberton doesn’t get up? Has never really gotten a go at the suns and has proven scoring isn’t an issue. Cheap enough that he doesn’t have to be a keeper. Has had 5 seasons where he has averaged over 85. Am I clenching at straws here?

He did score 76 from 54% TOG on the weekend
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 14, 2019, 08:26:41 AM
is hurn an ok pick? really cant find anyone im comfortable paying up for atleast he has durability and kickin might help him
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Gigantor on March 14, 2019, 08:27:15 AM
Is Pearce Hanley a viable back up option if Roberton doesn’t get up? Has never really gotten a go at the suns and has proven scoring isn’t an issue. Cheap enough that he doesn’t have to be a keeper. Has had 5 seasons where he has averaged over 85. Am I clenching at straws here?

He did score 76 from 54% TOG on the weekend

Nothing wrong with his scoring potential its always just been his body, will consider him if Roboo is out
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: TommyC on March 14, 2019, 08:29:27 AM
is hurn an ok pick? really cant find anyone im comfortable paying up for atleast he has durability and kickin might help him
I'm considering going him over Whitfield.
Is consistent and should average around the 100 - 105 mark.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 14, 2019, 09:49:13 AM
is hurn an ok pick? really cant find anyone im comfortable paying up for atleast he has durability and kickin might help him
I'm considering going him over Whitfield.
Is consistent and should average around the 100 - 105 mark.

Has never averaged near 100 his entire career. 100-105 sounds pretty ambitious

Mid to high 90's is where I would think he lands, similar to last year, maybe an extra ppg or two

Shouldn't drop a heap in cash, which is probably appealing as the top guys most likely will
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LaHug on March 14, 2019, 10:34:05 AM
is hurn an ok pick? really cant find anyone im comfortable paying up for atleast he has durability and kickin might help him
I'm considering going him over Whitfield.
Is consistent and should average around the 100 - 105 mark.

Has never averaged near 100 his entire career. 100-105 sounds pretty ambitious

Mid to high 90's is where I would think he lands, similar to last year, maybe an extra ppg or two

Shouldn't drop a heap in cash, which is probably appealing as the top guys most likely will

If we go by the JLT kick-ins (and we probably should take them with a HUGE grain of salt), he played on 9 times. Assuming 2/3 of these kicks will be effective and no clangers (at least incredibly rare from a long kick-in), that's an extra 3 effective kicks or 12 points per game. I'm not saying it will happen, but he has one of the biggest upsides from the kick-in rule and very little downside due to his usual consistent scoring. I don't have the cash to bring him in unless I drop Roberton to Moore, Boak to someone under $463k, Gawn to Goldy, or ditch a mid-pricer (Smith, Crouch, Libba, Greene). Not sure I want to do any of that just to upgrade Witherden to Hurn but it's tempting.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: TommyC on March 14, 2019, 10:43:27 AM
is hurn an ok pick? really cant find anyone im comfortable paying up for atleast he has durability and kickin might help him
I'm considering going him over Whitfield.
Is consistent and should average around the 100 - 105 mark.

Has never averaged near 100 his entire career. 100-105 sounds pretty ambitious

Mid to high 90's is where I would think he lands, similar to last year, maybe an extra ppg or two

Shouldn't drop a heap in cash, which is probably appealing as the top guys most likely will
Yeah, was probably a little ambitious saying 105.
However the fact he won't drop in price that much makes me prefer him over Laird.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Pokerface on March 14, 2019, 07:15:31 PM
is hurn an ok pick? really cant find anyone im comfortable paying up for atleast he has durability and kickin might help him
I'm considering going him over Whitfield.
Is consistent and should average around the 100 - 105 mark.

Has never averaged near 100 his entire career. 100-105 sounds pretty ambitious

Mid to high 90's is where I would think he lands, similar to last year, maybe an extra ppg or two

Shouldn't drop a heap in cash, which is probably appealing as the top guys most likely will

If we go by the JLT kick-ins (and we probably should take them with a HUGE grain of salt), he played on 9 times. Assuming 2/3 of these kicks will be effective and no clangers (at least incredibly rare from a long kick-in), that's an extra 3 effective kicks or 12 points per game. I'm not saying it will happen, but he has one of the biggest upsides from the kick-in rule and very little downside due to his usual consistent scoring. I don't have the cash to bring him in unless I drop Roberton to Moore, Boak to someone under $463k, Gawn to Goldy, or ditch a mid-pricer (Smith, Crouch, Libba, Greene). Not sure I want to do any of that just to upgrade Witherden to Hurn but it's tempting.
Need to factor in he played on over 60% of the time last year with kick ins - any estimation of 'extra' points would be at least halved as they are not new points
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Thewizz71 on March 14, 2019, 08:44:54 PM
Why no love for Simmo? Thinking of starting him over Laird and Lloyd.
Someone talk me out of it.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Samm79 on March 14, 2019, 08:50:57 PM
Why no love for Simmo? Thinking of starting him over Laird and Lloyd.
Someone talk me out of it.

Old grandpa Simmo?? Past it, over the hill, have been saying it for years. Will be right with this statement at some stage  ::)

I’d say age mostly, and he’s pretty much maxed value wise. Very durable, and consistent.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 14, 2019, 09:10:50 PM
Why no love for Simmo? Thinking of starting him over Laird and Lloyd.
Someone talk me out of it.

Old grandpa Simmo?? Past it, over the hill, have been saying it for years. Will be right with this statement at some stage  ::)

I’d say age mostly, and he’s pretty much maxed value wise. Very durable, and consistent.

i think its hilarious u kids talking shower about Simmo. u wouldnt say this shower to him at the retirement home, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest grandmas. yall are pathetic lol.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jfitty on March 14, 2019, 09:32:32 PM
Why no love for Simmo? Thinking of starting him over Laird and Lloyd.
Someone talk me out of it.

I am, and feel very comfortable about it.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on March 14, 2019, 10:17:14 PM
Did people really get that spooked by Lairds second JLT game?  ???

He scored 82 not 30. He's the safest defender to be top 3 by a mile and certainly won't be leaving my side
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: _wato on March 14, 2019, 10:29:34 PM
Did people really get that spooked by Lairds second JLT game?  ???

He scored 82 not 30. He's the safest defender to be top 3 by a mile and certainly won't be leaving my side

No doubt he'll be up there. But there is enough evidence and especially looking back to 2017 when Laird put up premo numbers that he'll take a hit with a fit Brodie Smith and Milera running around there now who wasn't there previously.

Probably loses 2/3 kicks so given his price of 108 avg, a lot of people like myself are not willing to spend up for that. I see him around the 98-100avg so happy to get him cheaper.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jfitty on March 14, 2019, 10:30:21 PM
Did people really get that spooked by Lairds second JLT game?  ???

He scored 82 not 30. He's the safest defender to be top 3 by a mile and certainly won't be leaving my side

Absolutely nothing wrong with him at all for mine, I'm just starting Simpson over him for the POD factor, and rolling with Smith as my choice Crows defender for now.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: sammy123 on March 14, 2019, 11:29:50 PM
I like the premiums i have on othet lines. So it means i didnt start laird for money reasons. But gives me time to see how he goes with smith and milera running around
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on March 15, 2019, 12:38:47 AM
I hadn't looked into his scores from last year with Smith and Milera playing. Small sample but it's a bit concerning when it's translated into the JLT as well
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LaHug on March 15, 2019, 06:51:32 AM
is hurn an ok pick? really cant find anyone im comfortable paying up for atleast he has durability and kickin might help him
I'm considering going him over Whitfield.
Is consistent and should average around the 100 - 105 mark.

Has never averaged near 100 his entire career. 100-105 sounds pretty ambitious

Mid to high 90's is where I would think he lands, similar to last year, maybe an extra ppg or two

Shouldn't drop a heap in cash, which is probably appealing as the top guys most likely will

If we go by the JLT kick-ins (and we probably should take them with a HUGE grain of salt), he played on 9 times. Assuming 2/3 of these kicks will be effective and no clangers (at least incredibly rare from a long kick-in), that's an extra 3 effective kicks or 12 points per game. I'm not saying it will happen, but he has one of the biggest upsides from the kick-in rule and very little downside due to his usual consistent scoring. I don't have the cash to bring him in unless I drop Roberton to Moore, Boak to someone under $463k, Gawn to Goldy, or ditch a mid-pricer (Smith, Crouch, Libba, Greene). Not sure I want to do any of that just to upgrade Witherden to Hurn but it's tempting.
Need to factor in he played on over 60% of the time last year with kick ins - any estimation of 'extra' points would be at least halved as they are not new points

Knew I was missing something obvious. So it's actually only an increase of 1.5 kicks per game, so probably somewhere around 4-6 extra points. Still nice to have but changes him from a "lock" to a "if you've got the cash"...
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: walloo44 on March 15, 2019, 08:42:56 AM
@cleary_mitch: Saint Kilda defender Dylan Roberton will step aside from football in 2019
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 15, 2019, 08:50:24 AM
I hadn't looked into his scores from last year with Smith and Milera playing. Small sample but it's a bit concerning when it's translated into the JLT as well

Small sample size, but after you said this I looked at things a bit closer

The only time Laird usually puts up his big scores (120+) he needs high 30/low 40 touches to do it. Now with those two, I don't think he gets that much pill, so for that reason I think I am passing on Laird too as the numbers suggest he should likely fall to 95-100 where his previous 3 years avg was, so get him cheaper later on and I don't think he will actually have too many monster scores that will hurt not having him either now
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Holz on March 15, 2019, 08:54:02 AM
people are going over the top with these kick ins. Its sounding like its the only way to be a good scorer as a defender.

Luke Brown crows leading kick in guy 71 SC average
Dunn 61 average
McKenna 74


its important but there are many more things then just kick ins to take notice of.

also just on Laird he had less then 1 kick in a game, so he wont be affected.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 15, 2019, 08:59:00 AM
people are going over the top with these kick ins. Its sounding like its the only way to be a good scorer as a defender.

Luke Brown crows leading kick in guy 71 SC average
Dunn 61 average
McKenna 74


its important but there are many more things then just kick ins to take notice of.

also just on Laird he had less then 1 kick in a game, so he wont be affected.

No one is saying the kick ins will effect guys like Laird? It's more the fact that Smith and Milera will cut into his overall possession count, and the numbers show that impacts his scoring

I think we've all seen by now that the kick in isn't going to make a big difference to SC scoring
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LaHug on March 15, 2019, 09:10:23 AM
@cleary_mitch: Saint Kilda defender Dylan Roberton will step aside from football in 2019

Oh shower for real? That makes structure way easier but is really sad too :(
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: sammy123 on March 15, 2019, 11:16:31 AM
@cleary_mitch: Saint Kilda defender Dylan Roberton will step aside from football in 2019

Oh shower for real? That makes structure way easier but is really sad too :(

Hope he can find a way to play again
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: frenzy on March 15, 2019, 11:25:51 AM
people are going over the top with these kick ins. Its sounding like its the only way to be a good scorer as a defender.

Luke Brown crows leading kick in guy 71 SC average
Dunn 61 average
McKenna 74


its important but there are many more things then just kick ins to take notice of.

also just on Laird he had less then 1 kick in a game, so he wont be affected.

No one is saying the kick ins will effect guys like Laird? It's more the fact that Smith and Milera will cut into his overall possession count, and the numbers show that impacts his scoring

I think we've all seen by now that the kick in isn't going to make a big difference to SC scoring

I thought Moore benefitted greatly from kick ins in JLT 2. Somebody posted the numbers on here.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 15, 2019, 11:28:49 AM
people are going over the top with these kick ins. Its sounding like its the only way to be a good scorer as a defender.

Luke Brown crows leading kick in guy 71 SC average
Dunn 61 average
McKenna 74


its important but there are many more things then just kick ins to take notice of.

also just on Laird he had less then 1 kick in a game, so he wont be affected.

No one is saying the kick ins will effect guys like Laird? It's more the fact that Smith and Milera will cut into his overall possession count, and the numbers show that impacts his scoring

I think we've all seen by now that the kick in isn't going to make a big difference to SC scoring

I thought Moore benefitted greatly from kick ins in JLT 2. Somebody posted the numbers on here.

Talking about guys that already took kick ins. There's been plenty of analysis on it already that at best most of them might increase just a few ppg - won't be a huge difference

Brand new role for Moore though, which is much more SC friendly for someone as cheap as him and with his JS
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Wanderer on March 15, 2019, 11:50:44 AM
people are going over the top with these kick ins. Its sounding like its the only way to be a good scorer as a defender.

Luke Brown crows leading kick in guy 71 SC average
Dunn 61 average
McKenna 74


its important but there are many more things then just kick ins to take notice of.

also just on Laird he had less then 1 kick in a game, so he wont be affected.

No one is saying the kick ins will effect guys like Laird? It's more the fact that Smith and Milera will cut into his overall possession count, and the numbers show that impacts his scoring

I think we've all seen by now that the kick in isn't going to make a big difference to SC scoring

I thought Moore benefitted greatly from kick ins in JLT 2. Somebody posted the numbers on here.

Talking about guys that already took kick ins. There's been plenty of analysis on it already that at best most of them might increase just a few ppg - won't be a huge difference

Brand new role for Moore though, which is much more SC friendly for someone as cheap as him and with his JS

Moore is an easy decision especially the added benefit of DPP link with Burgess and the crappy Fwd rookie options. The only risk is injury, but can always trade him down to the next best rookie you don't have. He should score a decent amount of points to not be a liability and has potential upside there.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on March 15, 2019, 11:56:35 AM
people are going over the top with these kick ins. Its sounding like its the only way to be a good scorer as a defender.

Luke Brown crows leading kick in guy 71 SC average
Dunn 61 average
McKenna 74


its important but there are many more things then just kick ins to take notice of.

also just on Laird he had less then 1 kick in a game, so he wont be affected.

No one is saying the kick ins will effect guys like Laird? It's more the fact that Smith and Milera will cut into his overall possession count, and the numbers show that impacts his scoring

I think we've all seen by now that the kick in isn't going to make a big difference to SC scoring

I thought Moore benefitted greatly from kick ins in JLT 2. Somebody posted the numbers on here.

Talking about guys that already took kick ins. There's been plenty of analysis on it already that at best most of them might increase just a few ppg - won't be a huge difference

Brand new role for Moore though, which is much more SC friendly for someone as cheap as him and with his JS

Moore is an easy decision especially the added benefit of DPP link with Burgess and the crappy Fwd rookie options. The only risk is injury, but can always trade him down to the next best rookie you don't have. He should score a decent amount of points to not be a liability and has potential upside there.

Can trade down on two lines = limited risk / high reward
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: enzedder on March 15, 2019, 01:33:48 PM
Gutted for Robbo. Hope he can bounce back. He has always shown a lot of heart.
I rate him in our top few players with Steven, Carlisle, Steele and perhaps Gresham and Billings.

Rowe has been added as per the supplemental selection period.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 15, 2019, 01:49:35 PM
Gutted for Robbo. Hope he can bounce back. He has always shown a lot of heart.
I rate him in our top few players with Steven, Carlisle, Steele and perhaps Gresham and Billings.

Rowe has been added as per the supplemental selection period.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7bu0DiYRxehc7dTi/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: reesbr on March 15, 2019, 02:03:19 PM
Really like Alex Rance as a pick this season, can see him getting back to 90+
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LaHug on March 15, 2019, 03:25:15 PM
Really like Alex Rance as a pick this season, can see him getting back to 90+

6-6-6 rule will increase his spoils but decrease his intercept marking as he can't be a third man up. I don't like it.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Gavdroid on March 15, 2019, 06:14:30 PM
Really like Alex Rance as a pick this season, can see him getting back to 90+

6-6-6 rule will increase his spoils but decrease his intercept marking as he can't be a third man up. I don't like it.

Not so sure. He reads the play so well I still think he'll get to plenty of 3rd man up situations. 6-6-6 rule is only for centre bounces. Still loves to run off his man as an attacking option as well.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: dmac07 on March 15, 2019, 06:15:01 PM
Getting more and more tempted by Crisp as a POD to the standard picks. I assume his % is low if anyone knows?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on March 15, 2019, 06:19:31 PM
Really like Alex Rance as a pick this season, can see him getting back to 90+

6-6-6 rule will increase his spoils but decrease his intercept marking as he can't be a third man up. I don't like it.
agree with LH, see the scoring in def being running backs,  metres gained, i50, o50 -  shower sounds more like NFL than AFL.   Mobile backmen that provide the rebound and drive from the backline.   
As for Laird, he is not going to fall over and stop scoring, it is just he will not be getting his hand on the ball as much.  2 Crouches, Milera, Smith, the sook sorry sloaney etc,   has to impact his scoring so why why pay for his absolute best.  Not worth it.  pick him up at 450 at some stage.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Wanderer on March 15, 2019, 06:22:06 PM
Really like Alex Rance as a pick this season, can see him getting back to 90+

6-6-6 rule will increase his spoils but decrease his intercept marking as he can't be a third man up. I don't like it.
agree with LH, see the scoring in def being running backs,  metres gained, i50, o50 -  shower sounds more like NFL than AFL.   Mobile backmen that provide the rebound and drive from the backline.   
As for Laird, he is not going to fall over and stop scoring, it is just he will not be getting his hand on the ball as much.  2 Crouches, Milera, Smith, the sook sorry sloaney etc,   has to impact his scoring so why why pay for his absolute best.  Not worth it.  pick him up at 450 at some stage.
But then again there are a few of those Crows players listed there that are a little fragile, but definitely lots of mouths to feed.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: SilverLion on March 15, 2019, 06:25:39 PM
Getting more and more tempted by Crisp as a POD to the standard picks. I assume his % is low if anyone knows?
3%
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: frenzy on March 15, 2019, 06:28:22 PM
Getting more and more tempted by Crisp as a POD to the standard picks. I assume his % is low if anyone knows?

6%
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on March 15, 2019, 08:10:58 PM
Getting more and more tempted by Crisp as a POD to the standard picks. I assume his % is low if anyone knows?
3%

Getting more and more tempted by Crisp as a POD to the standard picks. I assume his % is low if anyone knows?

6%

Heh.


It's 6.3% btw.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: SilverLion on March 15, 2019, 09:05:08 PM
Getting more and more tempted by Crisp as a POD to the standard picks. I assume his % is low if anyone knows?
3%

Getting more and more tempted by Crisp as a POD to the standard picks. I assume his % is low if anyone knows?

6%

Heh.


It's 6.3% btw.
On my phone, but still says 3%:

(http://i65.tinypic.com/xcqfqf.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: js19 on March 15, 2019, 09:44:34 PM
Getting more and more tempted by Crisp as a POD to the standard picks. I assume his % is low if anyone knows?
3%

Getting more and more tempted by Crisp as a POD to the standard picks. I assume his % is low if anyone knows?

6%

Heh.


It's 6.3% btw.
On my phone, but still says 3%:

(http://i65.tinypic.com/xcqfqf.jpg)

That screen says 3% here as well, but if you filter by coaches'choice in the player section it's at 6%, so I'd say the website is slightly confused...
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 16, 2019, 05:10:17 AM
Definitely 6%

Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: js19 on March 16, 2019, 05:39:41 AM
Definitely 6%

Yeah, wondering if the difference in numbers is due to the site calculating one from total teams entered, and one from completed/saved teams?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 16, 2019, 07:42:05 AM
Definitely 6%

Yeah, wondering if the difference in numbers is due to the site calculating one from total teams entered, and one from completed/saved teams?

I have no idea how SL is getting that number. I have SC Gold, and the standard setting when selecting players shows ownership

(https://i.imgur.com/xUS35vJ.png)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: SilverLion on March 16, 2019, 08:48:15 AM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/c7PcKQlOqZ8Ws/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: batt on March 16, 2019, 08:56:00 AM
Everyone has the SC Gold trial till season proper.

Your team's ownership: My Team > LIST > SC Stats > Coaches' Choice

All players: Players > SC Stats > Coaches' Choice
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: walloo44 on March 16, 2019, 11:15:24 AM
Do crisp owners think beams will affect his scoring much? Less midfield minutes, another to steal points?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Wanderer on March 16, 2019, 11:22:29 AM
Do crisp owners think beams will affect his scoring much? Less midfield minutes, another to steal points?
Can't really see Beams into into his points TBH
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: js19 on March 16, 2019, 04:23:44 PM
Definitely 6%

Yeah, wondering if the difference in numbers is due to the site calculating one from total teams entered, and one from completed/saved teams?

I have no idea how SL is getting that number. I have SC Gold, and the standard setting when selecting players shows ownership

(https://i.imgur.com/xUS35vJ.png)

It’s when you click on the player and look at their stats in the right pane. There’s a circle for ownership that’s different than the table. Same my end, so hence confusion arose
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: SilverLion on March 16, 2019, 07:50:46 PM
Do crisp owners think beams will affect his scoring much? Less midfield minutes, another to steal points?
Can't really see Beams into into his points TBH
Didn't have many (if any) midfield minutes to begin with. Scores well as a HB.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jfitty on March 17, 2019, 12:22:58 PM
I've just popped Crisp into defence, looking really good!

His biggest concern is his disposal efficiency, but feel he should easily go 95+..
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 17, 2019, 12:28:37 PM
anyone starting ridley considering the hurley/ridley combo?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on March 17, 2019, 12:40:00 PM
anyone starting ridley considering the hurley/ridley combo?

Super tempted by Ridley but I'd rather wait the 2 weeks to see if his form translates into the real stuff
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: imjusflexin on March 17, 2019, 01:04:44 PM
Call me crazy.. Heath Shaw anyone? Looking for a defender without the R13 bye, and I'm not v keen on Whitfield.

Let's look at the other options:

Z. Williams - Already have, lock.

M. Hurley - If not for Hooker injury he'd be in my team, but will probably play lock down early so not keen on a bunch of 70s. Upgrade target.

L. Ryan - Dreadful end to the year last season, JLT scores seem fine though. Seems an OK pick but less exciting than Shaw imo. Any red flags I'm missing?

Sicily, Laird & Simpson all too pricy. Not keen on mid-pricers.

Any other ideas? Tossing up between Hurley & Shaw at the moment, or finding the $$ for Laird but I feel his avg will drop this year.

Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: _wato on March 17, 2019, 01:06:16 PM
I've just popped Crisp into defence, looking really good!

His biggest concern is his disposal efficiency, but feel he should easily go 95+..

Join the club mate. After Round 7 his uptick in ball use went through the roof and I'm unsure why but scores read

119, 112, 97, 115, 110, 117, 92, 95, 106, 64, 71, 107, 111, 83, 104

9/15 tons, 5 over 110 plus scores of 83,92,95,97 so only two stinkers in 64 and 71. Scored a 153 in the Prelim Final v Tiges too.
Pretty strong model of consistency.

His first 7 scores read 87, 71, 128, 78, 65, 89, 86 so was averaging 87 until he blossomed which you'd take at worst too.
Think 95+ is a close lock for him

Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 17, 2019, 02:15:32 PM
Call me crazy.. Heath Shaw anyone? Looking for a defender without the R13 bye, and I'm not v keen on Whitfield.

Let's look at the other options:

Z. Williams - Already have, lock.

M. Hurley - If not for Hooker injury he'd be in my team, but will probably play lock down early so not keen on a bunch of 70s. Upgrade target.

L. Ryan - Dreadful end to the year last season, JLT scores seem fine though. Seems an OK pick but less exciting than Shaw imo. Any red flags I'm missing?

Sicily, Laird & Simpson all too pricy. Not keen on mid-pricers.

Any other ideas? Tossing up between Hurley & Shaw at the moment, or finding the $$ for Laird but I feel his avg will drop this year.

Not crazy. The new kick in rules are perfect for him as well. He was always looking to play on anyway and get those cheap stats. Now he can just run off and start their counter attacks. People are probably seeing more upside in the Witherden types. One I'll look ay as we get closer to round 1 but I see the upside in the pick
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Nige on March 17, 2019, 02:51:47 PM
I'm right into Heater, had a poor year last year compared to his usual, but he's got a good history and he's not cooked like everyone seems to think he is. He'll average at least 90 and be a good POD.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 17, 2019, 02:53:53 PM
would consider if had a round 12 bye same with Simmo

cant have Shaw, Williams and Laird etc
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: imjusflexin on March 17, 2019, 03:03:01 PM
would consider if had a round 12 bye same with Simmo

cant have Shaw, Williams and Laird etc
Rather that than R13 bye along with Gawn, Grundy, Danger & Heeney
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: duffercoat on March 17, 2019, 03:51:46 PM
I've just popped Crisp into defence, looking really good!

His biggest concern is his disposal efficiency, but feel he should easily go 95+..

Join the club mate. After Round 7 his uptick in ball use went through the roof and I'm unsure why but scores read

119, 112, 97, 115, 110, 117, 92, 95, 106, 64, 71, 107, 111, 83, 104

9/15 tons, 5 over 110 plus scores of 83,92,95,97 so only two stinkers in 64 and 71. Scored a 153 in the Prelim Final v Tiges too.
Pretty strong model of consistency.

His first 7 scores read 87, 71, 128, 78, 65, 89, 86 so was averaging 87 until he blossomed which you'd take at worst too.
Think 95+ is a close lock for him

Crisps averaged 91 ppg with Sam Murray in the team, and 101 ppg when Murray did not play. That's why his scoring rose and why I'm super confident in Crisp this year.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: elephants on March 17, 2019, 04:01:32 PM
I've just popped Crisp into defence, looking really good!

His biggest concern is his disposal efficiency, but feel he should easily go 95+..

Join the club mate. After Round 7 his uptick in ball use went through the roof and I'm unsure why but scores read

119, 112, 97, 115, 110, 117, 92, 95, 106, 64, 71, 107, 111, 83, 104

9/15 tons, 5 over 110 plus scores of 83,92,95,97 so only two stinkers in 64 and 71. Scored a 153 in the Prelim Final v Tiges too.
Pretty strong model of consistency.

His first 7 scores read 87, 71, 128, 78, 65, 89, 86 so was averaging 87 until he blossomed which you'd take at worst too.
Think 95+ is a close lock for him

Crisps averaged 91 ppg with Sam Murray in the team, and 101 ppg when Murray did not play. That's why his scoring rose and why I'm super confident in Crisp this year.

I was initially very worried about Crisps hip surgery in the preseason, but his ceiling is immense and his JLT form looks tight
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: iZander on March 17, 2019, 04:04:45 PM
Call me crazy.. Heath Shaw anyone? Looking for a defender without the R13 bye, and I'm not v keen on Whitfield.

Let's look at the other options:

Z. Williams - Already have, lock.

M. Hurley - If not for Hooker injury he'd be in my team, but will probably play lock down early so not keen on a bunch of 70s. Upgrade target.

L. Ryan - Dreadful end to the year last season, JLT scores seem fine though. Seems an OK pick but less exciting than Shaw imo. Any red flags I'm missing?

Sicily, Laird & Simpson all too pricy. Not keen on mid-pricers.

Any other ideas? Tossing up between Hurley & Shaw at the moment, or finding the $$ for Laird but I feel his avg will drop this year.

Not crazy. The new kick in rules are perfect for him as well. He was always looking to play on anyway and get those cheap stats. Now he can just run off and start their counter attacks. People are probably seeing more upside in the Witherden types. One I'll look ay as we get closer to round 1 but I see the upside in the pick
he already plays on 100% of the time ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 17, 2019, 04:09:44 PM
he already plays on 100% of the time ;)

Ha! Not wrong at all. I do think Whitfield moving up the ground you might see Williams taking his share and didn't Finlayson move forward in JLT?

This was a nice little line from the kick in kings article

Quote
The Giants will likely keep the same trio this year but if Whitfield heads back to the wing, and Finlayson can't re-establish himself in the side, Shaw will be the main man along with Zac Williams, who can play on and use his speed or hit up short targets. The new rules could see kick-focused Shaw become the first player to register 50 in a single game and there's little doubt he'll have his eyes on the record. -

I was initially very worried about Crisps hip surgery in the preseason, but his ceiling is immense and his JLT form looks tight

Same. Wasn't sure what his fitness base would be like but he played both JLT games and looked great against us. He is the other one at around 500k tempting me.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 17, 2019, 04:22:56 PM
would consider if had a round 12 bye same with Simmo

cant have Shaw, Williams and Laird etc
Rather that than R13 bye along with Gawn, Grundy, Danger & Heeney

well most ppl have atleast 2 mids from rnd 14 bye also
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 17, 2019, 04:31:18 PM
Just going to break this down as well. An effective kick is worth about 4-6 points depending on the situation. Shaw was taking 39.6% of the kicks last year (84 total). Whitfield took 51 total kicks, Finlayson 57 and Corr 12. Williams comes in and takes some, but I see Finlayson, Whitfield and Corr's numbers dropping down for various reasons.

So lets say Shaw takes an extra 33 kicks, that sees him take a total of 55% of the teams kicks. He played on 48 times last year which was a whopping 57%. He takes a total of 117 kicks and plays on 60% of the time that gives him a total of 70.2 kicks that he plays on in the year. That is 22.2 more kicks on the season.

My math might get sketchy here, but at 4 points per kick it's 88.8 points, he will probably go at around 65% DE so that sees him increase his total score by 57.72 points on the season and 2.6 ppg if he plays all 22. It isn't all that much when you look at it in the long run.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 17, 2019, 04:31:22 PM
I've come to the conclusion that Laird, Sicily, Simmo and Whitfield aren't worth starting at their prices

Besides last year, Laird is traditionally a 95-100 defender so I'll just wait and see how Smith/Milera impact him and I'm sure he'll be cheaper eventually.

Sicily is the swing man so could be inconsistent, and Simmo is basically at max value too

I expect Whitfield to go high 90's, but his bye isn't ideal for me and I can't see him cranking out too many monster scores that will frustrate me not having him

Lloyd is the only expensive guy I like because I can't see any reason why his role/output will change, but I just can't afford him because I rate the 600k+ mids/ruck ahead of him

That leaves Hurn and Crisp vying for my D1 spot, as I think they should match their recent history which makes them good value for money, and they have decent ceilings too. Currently gone with Crisp D1
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LaHug on March 17, 2019, 04:50:45 PM
Similar logic to you, RD, and I've gone for Hurn D1. Does anyone know where to get the kick in totals from last year and preseason? I can only find articles like this: https://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-22/kings-of-the-kickin

Using that article, I can say Hurn averaged 6.2 kick ins per game. He had 12 across the JLT so assume that number stays the same. He played on 61.7% of the time and did so 75% of the time in JLT which, despite a small sample size, seems around the mark for his raking book. That eventually equates to about 3 points per game. It's not much and definitely not enough to say things like he's underpriced, but it gives me confidence that small regression with age can just be replaced with small increase from kick ins. That said, Crisp is a perfectly fine choice.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 17, 2019, 04:59:42 PM
flowered if i can decide on a structure this year
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bones Bombers on March 17, 2019, 05:07:50 PM
anyone starting ridley considering the hurley/ridley combo?

Super tempted by Ridley but I'd rather wait the 2 weeks to see if his form translates into the real stuff
I’m going the other way and starting him as if he isn’t looking good I can downgrade to a performing rookie I don’t have. Not starting Collins or Burgess at this point.
My current structure is a little YOLO so I won’t be surprised if i need to downgrade/upgrade a couple of mid price types haha.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoldDigger on March 17, 2019, 05:11:32 PM
... That leaves Hurn and Crisp vying for my D1 spot, as I think they should match their recent history which makes them good value for money, and they have decent ceilings too. Currently gone with Crisp D1
Crisp has the youth advantage; Hurn plays for the Flag winners ...
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: frenzy on March 17, 2019, 05:22:52 PM
flowered if i can decide on a structure this year

This, give me the flowerin teams already. Get this show on the road.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 17, 2019, 05:31:23 PM
flowered if i can decide on a structure this year

This, give me the flowerin teams already. Get this show on the road.

Hah, thankfully I'm settled on structure now so just need teams to confirm it all

I've also got Plan B in place just in case a rookie or two I expect to be named doesn't

I found making some final calls on certain players allowed me to confirm the structure I like - hopefully that helps you guys too
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 17, 2019, 05:47:54 PM
... That leaves Hurn and Crisp vying for my D1 spot, as I think they should match their recent history which makes them good value for money, and they have decent ceilings too. Currently gone with Crisp D1
Crisp has the youth advantage; Hurn plays for the Flag winners ...

also Hurn missing like 1 game in 4 years is a plus
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: _wato on March 17, 2019, 05:57:25 PM
Trying to get closer to my team with Crisp D1 now RD? ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 17, 2019, 06:07:22 PM
Trying to get closer to my team with Crisp D1 now RD? ;)

Haha, I'm sure I've got several different players to you still ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Southstorm on March 17, 2019, 06:52:42 PM
anyone starting ridley considering the hurley/ridley combo?
Think hurls will go back to playing the defensive game he did in the second half of last year. The SC-friendly game he was playing to start 2018 did absolutely nothing to help the team win, think it contributed to me going grey watching him flower around with Goddard at half back.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Nige on March 17, 2019, 09:09:43 PM
Brought Simmo in to D2. It'll change tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: TommyC on March 17, 2019, 09:22:34 PM
Similar logic to you, RD, and I've gone for Hurn D1. Does anyone know where to get the kick in totals from last year and preseason? I can only find articles like this: https://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-22/kings-of-the-kickin

Using that article, I can say Hurn averaged 6.2 kick ins per game. He had 12 across the JLT so assume that number stays the same. He played on 61.7% of the time and did so 75% of the time in JLT which, despite a small sample size, seems around the mark for his raking book. That eventually equates to about 3 points per game. It's not much and definitely not enough to say things like he's underpriced, but it gives me confidence that small regression with age can just be replaced with small increase from kick ins. That said, Crisp is a perfectly fine choice.
+1
(for going Hurn at D1)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Keeper27 on March 17, 2019, 09:24:44 PM
Brought Simmo in to D2. It'll change tomorrow.

Safe pick. Only player to go back to back top 10 DEF since 2015
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Thewizz71 on March 17, 2019, 09:33:39 PM
Savage anyone?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RoughRed on March 17, 2019, 09:37:33 PM
Savage anyone?
No ... a burn baby IMO
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: SilverLion on March 17, 2019, 09:38:24 PM
Savage anyone?
Had him from the start last year right until he got injured late. Tossed up between him, Witherden and Lloyd who were all the same price heh.

Solid scorer, but almost certainly not a top 6 back.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on March 17, 2019, 10:12:03 PM
Similar logic to you, RD, and I've gone for Hurn D1. Does anyone know where to get the kick in totals from last year and preseason? I can only find articles like this: https://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-22/kings-of-the-kickin

Using that article, I can say Hurn averaged 6.2 kick ins per game. He had 12 across the JLT so assume that number stays the same. He played on 61.7% of the time and did so 75% of the time in JLT which, despite a small sample size, seems around the mark for his raking book. That eventually equates to about 3 points per game. It's not much and definitely not enough to say things like he's underpriced, but it gives me confidence that small regression with age can just be replaced with small increase from kick ins. That said, Crisp is a perfectly fine choice.
+1
(for going Hurn at D1)

Hurn had a great year but surely there's concern surrounding him when that was his best season by a fair way and usually averages in the 80s? He's 31 so would be concerned he can only go backwards 
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 17, 2019, 10:26:24 PM
Similar logic to you, RD, and I've gone for Hurn D1. Does anyone know where to get the kick in totals from last year and preseason? I can only find articles like this: https://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-22/kings-of-the-kickin

Using that article, I can say Hurn averaged 6.2 kick ins per game. He had 12 across the JLT so assume that number stays the same. He played on 61.7% of the time and did so 75% of the time in JLT which, despite a small sample size, seems around the mark for his raking book. That eventually equates to about 3 points per game. It's not much and definitely not enough to say things like he's underpriced, but it gives me confidence that small regression with age can just be replaced with small increase from kick ins. That said, Crisp is a perfectly fine choice.
+1
(for going Hurn at D1)

Hurn had a great year but surely there's concern surrounding him when that was his best season by a fair way and usually averages in the 80s? He's 31 so would be concerned he can only go backwards

Not all players go backwards as they get older

In fact, some players blossom later in their career

I think Hurn can back up last year. Team structure has changed over the years for us. Hurn had to be more accountable but with our current side and his role as leader it's really put him in a position where we use him a lot more than we probably did earlier in his career, and because he is such a good user of the ball his SC scoring has improved

At a quick glance of his stats, it appears his possession count increased last year, and being such a nice user of the ball I'm sure that's the logical explanation for his increasing in scoring, and I can't see why that will change this year
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RoughRed on March 17, 2019, 10:42:51 PM
Similar logic to you, RD, and I've gone for Hurn D1. Does anyone know where to get the kick in totals from last year and preseason? I can only find articles like this: https://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-22/kings-of-the-kickin

Using that article, I can say Hurn averaged 6.2 kick ins per game. He had 12 across the JLT so assume that number stays the same. He played on 61.7% of the time and did so 75% of the time in JLT which, despite a small sample size, seems around the mark for his raking book. That eventually equates to about 3 points per game. It's not much and definitely not enough to say things like he's underpriced, but it gives me confidence that small regression with age can just be replaced with small increase from kick ins. That said, Crisp is a perfectly fine choice.
+1
(for going Hurn at D1)

Hurn had a great year but surely there's concern surrounding him when that was his best season by a fair way and usually averages in the 80s? He's 31 so would be concerned he can only go backwards

Not all players go backwards as they get older

In fact, some players blossom later in their career

I think Hurn can back up last year. Team structure has changed over the years for us. Hurn had to be more accountable but with our current side and his role as leader it's really put him in a position where we use him a lot more than we probably did earlier in his career, and because he is such a good user of the ball his SC scoring has improved

At a quick glance of his stats, it appears his possession count increased last year, and being such a nice user of the ball I'm sure that's the logical explanation for his increasing in scoring, and I can't see why that will change this year
I like your comments RD. Hurn is such a great user of the ball. He sees short and long long positioning of players and has the skills (and leg) to make things happen. His role has evolved and it seems he has more flexibility. Can not see him slowing down in 2019
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on March 18, 2019, 12:27:16 AM
Similar logic to you, RD, and I've gone for Hurn D1. Does anyone know where to get the kick in totals from last year and preseason? I can only find articles like this: https://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-22/kings-of-the-kickin

Using that article, I can say Hurn averaged 6.2 kick ins per game. He had 12 across the JLT so assume that number stays the same. He played on 61.7% of the time and did so 75% of the time in JLT which, despite a small sample size, seems around the mark for his raking book. That eventually equates to about 3 points per game. It's not much and definitely not enough to say things like he's underpriced, but it gives me confidence that small regression with age can just be replaced with small increase from kick ins. That said, Crisp is a perfectly fine choice.
+1
(for going Hurn at D1)

Hurn had a great year but surely there's concern surrounding him when that was his best season by a fair way and usually averages in the 80s? He's 31 so would be concerned he can only go backwards

Not all players go backwards as they get older

In fact, some players blossom later in their career

I think Hurn can back up last year. Team structure has changed over the years for us. Hurn had to be more accountable but with our current side and his role as leader it's really put him in a position where we use him a lot more than we probably did earlier in his career, and because he is such a good user of the ball his SC scoring has improved

At a quick glance of his stats, it appears his possession count increased last year, and being such a nice user of the ball I'm sure that's the logical explanation for his increasing in scoring, and I can't see why that will change this year

I'm sure there's been some tweaks but he's always been a beautiful user of the ball and always played the same role in the team. Was it something specific about his role that made him increase his points so much or was it just on the back of West coast having a big year? Just hard for me to back someone that had a random spike in scoring at a late stage of their career
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 18, 2019, 08:27:30 AM
Similar logic to you, RD, and I've gone for Hurn D1. Does anyone know where to get the kick in totals from last year and preseason? I can only find articles like this: https://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-22/kings-of-the-kickin

Using that article, I can say Hurn averaged 6.2 kick ins per game. He had 12 across the JLT so assume that number stays the same. He played on 61.7% of the time and did so 75% of the time in JLT which, despite a small sample size, seems around the mark for his raking book. That eventually equates to about 3 points per game. It's not much and definitely not enough to say things like he's underpriced, but it gives me confidence that small regression with age can just be replaced with small increase from kick ins. That said, Crisp is a perfectly fine choice.
+1
(for going Hurn at D1)

Hurn had a great year but surely there's concern surrounding him when that was his best season by a fair way and usually averages in the 80s? He's 31 so would be concerned he can only go backwards

Not all players go backwards as they get older

In fact, some players blossom later in their career

I think Hurn can back up last year. Team structure has changed over the years for us. Hurn had to be more accountable but with our current side and his role as leader it's really put him in a position where we use him a lot more than we probably did earlier in his career, and because he is such a good user of the ball his SC scoring has improved

At a quick glance of his stats, it appears his possession count increased last year, and being such a nice user of the ball I'm sure that's the logical explanation for his increasing in scoring, and I can't see why that will change this year

I'm sure there's been some tweaks but he's always been a beautiful user of the ball and always played the same role in the team. Was it something specific about his role that made him increase his points so much or was it just on the back of West coast having a big year? Just hard for me to back someone that had a random spike in scoring at a late stage of their career

He hasn't always played the same role - yes he's always been a defender but his role has changed - he's now the leader down back for us and that has increased his possession count which in turn increased his scoring
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on March 18, 2019, 03:10:22 PM
Similar logic to you, RD, and I've gone for Hurn D1. Does anyone know where to get the kick in totals from last year and preseason? I can only find articles like this: https://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-22/kings-of-the-kickin

Using that article, I can say Hurn averaged 6.2 kick ins per game. He had 12 across the JLT so assume that number stays the same. He played on 61.7% of the time and did so 75% of the time in JLT which, despite a small sample size, seems around the mark for his raking book. That eventually equates to about 3 points per game. It's not much and definitely not enough to say things like he's underpriced, but it gives me confidence that small regression with age can just be replaced with small increase from kick ins. That said, Crisp is a perfectly fine choice.
+1
(for going Hurn at D1)

Hurn had a great year but surely there's concern surrounding him when that was his best season by a fair way and usually averages in the 80s? He's 31 so would be concerned he can only go backwards

Not all players go backwards as they get older

In fact, some players blossom later in their career

I think Hurn can back up last year. Team structure has changed over the years for us. Hurn had to be more accountable but with our current side and his role as leader it's really put him in a position where we use him a lot more than we probably did earlier in his career, and because he is such a good user of the ball his SC scoring has improved

At a quick glance of his stats, it appears his possession count increased last year, and being such a nice user of the ball I'm sure that's the logical explanation for his increasing in scoring, and I can't see why that will change this year

I'm sure there's been some tweaks but he's always been a beautiful user of the ball and always played the same role in the team. Was it something specific about his role that made him increase his points so much or was it just on the back of West coast having a big year? Just hard for me to back someone that had a random spike in scoring at a late stage of their career

He hasn't always played the same role - yes he's always been a defender but his role has changed - he's now the leader down back for us and that has increased his possession count which in turn increased his scoring

What do you mean by a leader down back? Has he not been a leader for a number of years now?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on March 18, 2019, 03:17:20 PM
Similar logic to you, RD, and I've gone for Hurn D1. Does anyone know where to get the kick in totals from last year and preseason? I can only find articles like this: https://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-22/kings-of-the-kickin

Using that article, I can say Hurn averaged 6.2 kick ins per game. He had 12 across the JLT so assume that number stays the same. He played on 61.7% of the time and did so 75% of the time in JLT which, despite a small sample size, seems around the mark for his raking book. That eventually equates to about 3 points per game. It's not much and definitely not enough to say things like he's underpriced, but it gives me confidence that small regression with age can just be replaced with small increase from kick ins. That said, Crisp is a perfectly fine choice.
+1
(for going Hurn at D1)

Hurn had a great year but surely there's concern surrounding him when that was his best season by a fair way and usually averages in the 80s? He's 31 so would be concerned he can only go backwards

Not all players go backwards as they get older

In fact, some players blossom later in their career

I think Hurn can back up last year. Team structure has changed over the years for us. Hurn had to be more accountable but with our current side and his role as leader it's really put him in a position where we use him a lot more than we probably did earlier in his career, and because he is such a good user of the ball his SC scoring has improved

At a quick glance of his stats, it appears his possession count increased last year, and being such a nice user of the ball I'm sure that's the logical explanation for his increasing in scoring, and I can't see why that will change this year

I'm sure there's been some tweaks but he's always been a beautiful user of the ball and always played the same role in the team. Was it something specific about his role that made him increase his points so much or was it just on the back of West coast having a big year? Just hard for me to back someone that had a random spike in scoring at a late stage of their career

He hasn't always played the same role - yes he's always been a defender but his role has changed - he's now the leader down back for us and that has increased his possession count which in turn increased his scoring

What do you mean by a leader down back? Has he not been a leader for a number of years now?
Personally I feel like he was able to be a bit more free and do his own thing as opposed to previous years when he has had to be a bit more responsible for certain oppo fwds. Think he barely copped a tag as well like he has in the past?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 18, 2019, 03:27:08 PM
^ What GL said

He's in charge now, and he has Gov and Barrass by his side which certainly makes it easier for him to not be so focused on his opponent per se - he has room to move and we exit the defence via him often

In years prior, he still had great disposal but he wasn't as free as is now - so an increase in touches has increased his scoring, imo
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on March 18, 2019, 03:37:34 PM
Yeah fair enough! Don't think I will start him but if that role and freedom continues and his scoring is solid I'll look to bring him in as an upgrade
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 18, 2019, 03:39:04 PM
Yeah I don't expect his price to rocket up or drop a heap either, so he's not a must start by any means, but a nice unique option



Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LordSneeze on March 19, 2019, 04:23:17 PM
Just wondering what structures are people running in Defence

I'm struggling with my defense lineup. Like Laird but not confident on the other options as starting choices. Like Williams, but not sure as a D2 especially if I decide to take on a Francis, Mcgrath, Smith, Newman type too
This means I probably need someone in that 400-500k range as a D2 to push Williams to D3, but I just have no idea where to start

At a prem level here are my takes on the top 4

Jake Lloyd – Went from a career average -5 DT to SC conversion to a +10. Had this stayed similar he would have been an average of approx. 95-100. Went sub 100 only twice after round 8 and has shown the propensity to score really highly. 5x 130+ last year, in comparison Laird a consistent top defender only had 3. Scores are highly reliant on DE% 79.3%, Kicks 18.3 (13.8 effective), Metres Gained 500 per Game and Marks. Personally I believe he will be a top 6 defender, but given his price and the fact he really has only had half a season of Elite numbers, ill be treating him as an upgrade option.

Rory Laird – Even with a career scoring year, the stats show there was some improvement opportunities for Laird with his DE% 4% & 5% down on his previous 2 years. Given his proven nature as a scoring, expected top 8 and in some circles top 4 side, along with a lower variance in scores laird is arguably the safe option of all the premium defenders. Currently he is my D1 and I just cannot currently see how I can pick any of the other defenders over him.

James Sicily – Moving into the Half Back role makes him a difficult prospect to analyse, if he maintains that role there is no doubt that he can score consistently well given his impact is massive. The risk is that he has a history for doing stupid and mostly unwarranted things that cause suspensions and missed games. With other solid choices at a similar or cheaper price personally I don’t believe it worth the risk on this one.

Kade Simpson – Getting on 35 now and while age has not been an issue for him in the past is it going to come and bite this year. With 10 straight years scoring over 90 you can be pretty confident in with what you are paying for. Im expecting a drop off back to the 90-95 mark and would be taking a Laird for 17k more or Whitfield for 28k less over him
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: imjusflexin on March 19, 2019, 04:30:03 PM
Just wondering what structures are people running in Defence

I'm struggling with my defense lineup. Like Laird but not confident on the other options as starting choices. Like Williams, but not sure as a D2 especially if I decide to take on a Francis, Mcgrath, Smith, Newman type too
This means I probably need someone in that 400-500k range as a D2 to push Williams to D3, but I just have no idea where to start

At a prem level here are my takes on the top 4

Jake Lloyd – Went from a career average -5 DT to SC conversion to a +10. Had this stayed similar he would have been an average of approx. 95-100. Went sub 100 only twice after round 8 and has shown the propensity to score really highly. 5x 130+ last year, in comparison Laird a consistent top defender only had 3. Scores are highly reliant on DE% 79.3%, Kicks 18.3 (13.8 effective), Metres Gained 500 per Game and Marks. Personally I believe he will be a top 6 defender, but given his price and the fact he really has only had half a season of Elite numbers, ill be treating him as an upgrade option.

Rory Laird – Even with a career scoring year, the stats show there was some improvement opportunities for Laird with his DE% 4% & 5% down on his previous 2 years. Given his proven nature as a scoring, expected top 8 and in some circles top 4 side, along with a lower variance in scores laird is arguably the safe option of all the premium defenders. Currently he is my D1 and I just cannot currently see how I can pick any of the other defenders over him.

James Sicily – Moving into the Half Back role makes him a difficult prospect to analyse, if he maintains that role there is no doubt that he can score consistently well given his impact is massive. The risk is that he has a history for doing stupid and mostly unwarranted things that cause suspensions and missed games. With other solid choices at a similar or cheaper price personally I don’t believe it worth the risk on this one.

Kade Simpson – Getting on 35 now and while age has not been an issue for him in the past is it going to come and bite this year. With 10 straight years scoring over 90 you can be pretty confident in with what you are paying for. Im expecting a drop off back to the 90-95 mark and would be taking a Laird for 17k more or Whitfield for 28k less over him
Crispy is your bet if you can make it work.. I'm rocking Harris Andrews at D2 currently. And love the Francis pick! Pretty confident he can average 85 this year..
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jvalles69 on March 20, 2019, 09:39:33 AM
I'm not messing around too much, Lloyd and Laird are in my team and pretty happy with that.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 20, 2019, 11:18:41 AM
I'm not messing around too much, Lloyd and Laird are in my team and pretty happy with that.

doesnt it worry u that Lloyd has only had one good half of a season? like not many started him last year thinking he would breakout
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jvalles69 on March 20, 2019, 11:32:54 AM
I'm not messing around too much, Lloyd and Laird are in my team and pretty happy with that.

doesnt it worry u that Lloyd has only had one good half of a season? like not many started him last year thinking he would breakout

I think he's going to become more important to the Swans and the rules will benefit him.  Even if he drops a little, I still think he will be a top 3 defender.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: hawkers65 on March 20, 2019, 01:07:47 PM
Brodie Smith is in fkn 41% of teams. Almost gain nothing from picking him, not picking him while everyone else is stuck with a bloke averaging 85 could be the POD.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Money Shot on March 20, 2019, 01:12:55 PM
Brodie Smith is in fkn 41% of teams. Almost gain nothing from picking him, not picking him while everyone else is stuck with a bloke averaging 85 could be the POD.
When I had him he was at 10% >:( bloody JLT
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: SilverLion on March 20, 2019, 01:13:24 PM
Brodie Smith is in fkn 41% of teams. Almost gain nothing from picking him, not picking him while everyone else is stuck with a bloke averaging 85 could be the POD.
Hanley>Smith confirmed.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: hawkers65 on March 20, 2019, 01:15:59 PM
Brodie Smith is in fkn 41% of teams. Almost gain nothing from picking him, not picking him while everyone else is stuck with a bloke averaging 85 could be the POD.
When I had him he was at 10% >:( bloody JLT

I had Crouch and wrote something on my page when he was in 7% of teams. Now he too is 28%. Again theres not much upside in picking him with the injury risk if he is no longer a point of difference. JLT was a fat RIP.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: ubeaut on March 20, 2019, 01:17:43 PM
Brodie Smith is in fkn 41% of teams. Almost gain nothing from picking him, not picking him while everyone else is stuck with a bloke averaging 85 could be the POD.
I'd be OK with 85. Would make over 100k. The high ownership means less risk. What you gain is money saved to beef up rest of your team, plus 85 points at a price point of 60. I'm picking him cos I need to find value/save money somewhere, and with Roberton out the only other option is Hanley, who plays for GC and has been out of the game for a long time.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Money Shot on March 20, 2019, 01:19:00 PM
Brodie Smith is in fkn 41% of teams. Almost gain nothing from picking him, not picking him while everyone else is stuck with a bloke averaging 85 could be the POD.
When I had him he was at 10% >:( bloody JLT

I had Crouch and wrote something on my page when he was in 7% of teams. Now he too is 28%. Again theres not much upside in picking him with the injury risk if he is no longer a point of difference. JLT was a fat RIP.
At least Matt is only in 13% of teams. That’s kind of a pod this year.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jvalles69 on March 20, 2019, 01:26:03 PM
Brodie Smith is in fkn 41% of teams. Almost gain nothing from picking him, not picking him while everyone else is stuck with a bloke averaging 85 could be the POD.
When I had him he was at 10% >:( bloody JLT

I had Crouch and wrote something on my page when he was in 7% of teams. Now he too is 28%. Again theres not much upside in picking him with the injury risk if he is no longer a point of difference. JLT was a fat RIP.

If you're talking about Brad, then he was always going to be high owned, prob not an indication of your post on your page.  Plenty of people don't start building there teams till closer to the season and Crouch's production when healthy is elite.  In saying that I'm not starting him at this stage.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: hawkers65 on March 20, 2019, 01:29:42 PM
Brodie Smith is in fkn 41% of teams. Almost gain nothing from picking him, not picking him while everyone else is stuck with a bloke averaging 85 could be the POD.
When I had him he was at 10% >:( bloody JLT

I had Crouch and wrote something on my page when he was in 7% of teams. Now he too is 28%. Again theres not much upside in picking him with the injury risk if he is no longer a point of difference. JLT was a fat RIP.

If you're talking about Brad, then he was always going to be high owned, prob not an indication of your post on your page.  Plenty of people don't start building there teams till closer to the season and Crouch's production when healthy is elite.  In saying that I'm not starting him at this stage.

Even prior to the JLT's. He posted two 115's. Went up 10% ownership after each. He was definitely a forgotten man till he killed the JLT.

I definitely did not suggest my post did that ahahhaha. Just an example of time and when he was still considered unique. Ive only got 2k, i dont pull the numbers to effect huge waves in ownership ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jvalles69 on March 20, 2019, 01:42:53 PM
Brodie Smith is in fkn 41% of teams. Almost gain nothing from picking him, not picking him while everyone else is stuck with a bloke averaging 85 could be the POD.
When I had him he was at 10% >:( bloody JLT

I had Crouch and wrote something on my page when he was in 7% of teams. Now he too is 28%. Again theres not much upside in picking him with the injury risk if he is no longer a point of difference. JLT was a fat RIP.

If you're talking about Brad, then he was always going to be high owned, prob not an indication of your post on your page.  Plenty of people don't start building there teams till closer to the season and Crouch's production when healthy is elite.  In saying that I'm not starting him at this stage.

Even prior to the JLT's. He posted two 115's. Went up 10% ownership after each. He was definitely a forgotten man till he killed the JLT.

I definitely did not suggest my post did that ahahhaha. Just an example of time and when he was still considered unique. Ive only got 2k, i dont pull the numbers to effect huge waves in ownership ;)

Ahahaha, just how I read it lol!  ;)  I do feel this year teams will be quite Vanilla, just depends on the moves you make throughout the year!
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: _wato on March 20, 2019, 01:48:48 PM
Happy for people to jump off guys like Smith and Crouch due to high ownership.

If they crash and burn you’re with the pack. If they jump and go bananas and you’ve got nope I don’t want them you’re in struggle street big time.

Sometimes the best POD is to go with the guys everyone is picking because lots of people will try and move away and that’s when it kills them.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: SilverLion on March 20, 2019, 01:53:42 PM
Happy for people to jump off guys like Smith and Crouch due to high ownership.

If they crash and burn you’re with the pack. If they jump and go bananas and you’ve got nope I don’t want them you’re in struggle street big time.

Sometimes the best POD is to go with the guys everyone is picking because lots of people will try and move away and that’s when it kills them.
If they crash and burn and you don't have them, you save a trade and gain points on the competition. If they go bananas and you don't have them, you can corrective trade after rd. 2 and get them anyways.

Not a huge deal either way imo, unless they get injured on 2 or go 150+ in the first 2 rounds.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: _wato on March 20, 2019, 01:57:01 PM
Happy for people to jump off guys like Smith and Crouch due to high ownership.

If they crash and burn you’re with the pack. If they jump and go bananas and you’ve got nope I don’t want them you’re in struggle street big time.

Sometimes the best POD is to go with the guys everyone is picking because lots of people will try and move away and that’s when it kills them.
If they crash and burn and you don't have them, you save a trade and gain points on the competition. If they go bananas and you don't have them, you can corrective trade after rd. 2 and get them anyways.

Not a huge deal either way imo, unless they get injured on 2 or go 150+ in the first 2 rounds.

Yes but considering both guys are 41% and nearly 30% owned and taking ito consideration 75% of people who play the game don’t have a genuine clue / don’t care/ ghostships after round 2 or 3 then you’ll be in the small percentile of people winning if it doesn’t work out for the guys who own both. Corrective trading isn’t that easy either, gonna have rookies to deal with and other things. So probably only 1 guy is an option.

Not a huge deal but I’d rather be in the boat of owning. Murphy a few years ago was a prime example, I didn’t jump on until after Rd 3 and fell right behind early, never recovered.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: eaglesman on March 20, 2019, 06:38:56 PM
Happy for people to jump off guys like Smith and Crouch due to high ownership.

If they crash and burn you’re with the pack. If they jump and go bananas and you’ve got nope I don’t want them you’re in struggle street big time.

Sometimes the best POD is to go with the guys everyone is picking because lots of people will try and move away and that’s when it kills them.
If they crash and burn and you don't have them, you save a trade and gain points on the competition. If they go bananas and you don't have them, you can corrective trade after rd. 2 and get them anyways.

Not a huge deal either way imo, unless they get injured on 2 or go 150+ in the first 2 rounds.

Yes but considering both guys are 41% and nearly 30% owned and taking ito consideration 75% of people who play the game don’t have a genuine clue / don’t care/ ghostships after round 2 or 3 then you’ll be in the small percentile of people winning if it doesn’t work out for the guys who own both. Corrective trading isn’t that easy either, gonna have rookies to deal with and other things. So probably only 1 guy is an option.

Not a huge deal but I’d rather be in the boat of owning. Murphy a few years ago was a prime example, I didn’t jump on until after Rd 3 and fell right behind early, never recovered.

Very comfy moving away from
Brodie Smith at that ownership.

Ridiculously over selected imo
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 20, 2019, 06:55:04 PM
Yeah, can't see the benefit considering I was only looking at him as a stepping stone. I think kicking the ball back into play helps boost his average a little, but if I'm not keeping him I may as well use the cash elsewhere. Zac Williams is in a smaller percentage of teams
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on March 20, 2019, 07:55:31 PM
% ownership is a secondary consideration.     bcrouch is in because he offers value for money for risk involved and allows me to do other things with cash saved.   % ownership for me is used when comparing two at same price and xpected output. 
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: walloo44 on March 20, 2019, 09:44:23 PM
Bit late to be asking, but was Whitfield actually playing as a half forward during the JLT? Obviously with zwilliams back he’s being experimented with up the ground, but did he make that move in JLT?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: _wato on March 20, 2019, 09:52:15 PM
Happy for people to jump off guys like Smith and Crouch due to high ownership.

If they crash and burn you’re with the pack. If they jump and go bananas and you’ve got nope I don’t want them you’re in struggle street big time.

Sometimes the best POD is to go with the guys everyone is picking because lots of people will try and move away and that’s when it kills them.
If they crash and burn and you don't have them, you save a trade and gain points on the competition. If they go bananas and you don't have them, you can corrective trade after rd. 2 and get them anyways.

Not a huge deal either way imo, unless they get injured on 2 or go 150+ in the first 2 rounds.

Yes but considering both guys are 41% and nearly 30% owned and taking ito consideration 75% of people who play the game don’t have a genuine clue / don’t care/ ghostships after round 2 or 3 then you’ll be in the small percentile of people winning if it doesn’t work out for the guys who own both. Corrective trading isn’t that easy either, gonna have rookies to deal with and other things. So probably only 1 guy is an option.

Not a huge deal but I’d rather be in the boat of owning. Murphy a few years ago was a prime example, I didn’t jump on until after Rd 3 and fell right behind early, never recovered.

Very comfy moving away from
Brodie Smith at that ownership.

Ridiculously over selected imo

Ridiculously over selected if you're in the boat that defensive premiums are worth their price tag.

I'm in the boat that there is zero chance you'll get me paying 610k for Lloyd when theres a thousand mid premos much cheaper. Laird is gonna battle to even get close to 108 that's a fact, I see him going 98-100. Simmo has age queries (it's gonna catchup one day)
Sicily as a swingman, then you've got Whitfield trialled as a forward and then you're into the next tier of guys like Hurn and Crisp who represent value for money but their value won't change much.

Then you've got a whole lot of plodders who won't finish top 10 so why bother. Blokes like Smith are past premiums who have solid scoring history and look in awesome touch. He's only 330k, not as if you're paying into the 400's for him.

Reason for me picking Smith is that he's relatively safe in that he'll average 75 minimum in a defence that is littered with land mines and guys who are horribly overpriced for their output. Not to mention the queries on EVERY defensive premo option.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Money Shot on March 20, 2019, 09:59:01 PM
Wato is on the ball as always. Williams and Smith scream value and are as good a chance as any to become keepers. All premiums have concerns.

I’ve chosen Whitfield as I’m hoping he plays wing more than half forward and think he is the only player who has any sort of chance of increasing his average in the top tier of defenders. In saying that I am not confident.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on March 20, 2019, 10:12:28 PM
Happy for people to jump off guys like Smith and Crouch due to high ownership.

If they crash and burn you’re with the pack. If they jump and go bananas and you’ve got nope I don’t want them you’re in struggle street big time.

Sometimes the best POD is to go with the guys everyone is picking because lots of people will try and move away and that’s when it kills them.
If they crash and burn and you don't have them, you save a trade and gain points on the competition. If they go bananas and you don't have them, you can corrective trade after rd. 2 and get them anyways.

Not a huge deal either way imo, unless they get injured on 2 or go 150+ in the first 2 rounds.

Yes but considering both guys are 41% and nearly 30% owned and taking ito consideration 75% of people who play the game don’t have a genuine clue / don’t care/ ghostships after round 2 or 3 then you’ll be in the small percentile of people winning if it doesn’t work out for the guys who own both. Corrective trading isn’t that easy either, gonna have rookies to deal with and other things. So probably only 1 guy is an option.

Not a huge deal but I’d rather be in the boat of owning. Murphy a few years ago was a prime example, I didn’t jump on until after Rd 3 and fell right behind early, never recovered.

Very comfy moving away from
Brodie Smith at that ownership.

Ridiculously over selected imo

Ridiculously over selected if you're in the boat that defensive premiums are worth their price tag.

I'm in the boat that there is zero chance you'll get me paying 610k for Lloyd when theres a thousand mid premos much cheaper. Laird is gonna battle to even get close to 108 that's a fact, I see him going 98-100. Simmo has age queries (it's gonna catchup one day)
Sicily as a swingman, then you've got Whitfield trialled as a forward and then you're into the next tier of guys like Hurn and Crisp who represent value for money but their value won't change much.

Then you've got a whole lot of plodders who won't finish top 10 so why bother. Blokes like Smith are past premiums who have solid scoring history and look in awesome touch. He's only 330k, not as if you're paying into the 400's for him.

Reason for me picking Smith is that he's relatively safe in that he'll average 75 minimum in a defence that is littered with land mines and guys who are horribly overpriced for their output. Not to mention the queries on EVERY defensive premo option.

Smith isn't really a past premium though. He had 1 premium year 5 years ago and all others have been mid 70s and a low 80. Ive had him at stages because he's still value and I think he can average 80 but I just know how annoying those guys can be to get rid of during the season so I'm saving myself the headache. I've just got with Laird, Whitfield and Williams. Paying a bit over for Laird but he is the safest lock to be a top 3-4 defender and Whitfield is too classy not to average 90s reguardless of where he plays
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 20, 2019, 10:14:38 PM
Simmo and Laird are still safe as houses. I'm almost back to the point I started the pre-season where I go with a Laird/Simmo combo, one guy in the mid 400's range and under, Ridley, Collins and Clark filling the last 3 on field spots. Crisp and for some unknown reason Heath Shaw are the others I'm contemplating.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: _wato on March 20, 2019, 10:20:07 PM
Agree and good points for sure.

I just have a good feeling about Smith this year. Guy is a genuine game breaker. Him and Milera move the ball much quicker and are elite kicks. Laird is a gun for sure but Crows will want the ball in their hands just as much.

Simmo is safe for sure but two years at 105 and 106 and then everything is 95. Between the two huge years he went at 94 despite averaging nearly 98DT. Would hate to pay 570k for a guy to go 95.

Laird is the guy who I trust the most to maintain output. But even then watching Laird, he's a great 1v1 defender. Smith and Milera are much better at running and carrying and less at doing the defensive work. Laird will demand his fair share of the pill but I wanna get a grasp of the share of ball down there before I pay 590k for him.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: js19 on March 20, 2019, 10:31:23 PM
The reality is that most defenders can be picked up somewhere in the 400-500k range at some stage of the season if history is anything to go by, so the Smith value is hard to pass up as a starting point. Time will tell...
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 20, 2019, 10:32:34 PM
Simmo played like ass last year at times and he still topped the ton on average. His worst score was a 70 which means he has a good floor. With Doc not playing at HB they had him take the majority of the kickins and he plays on so much that his scoring spiked. Newman may hurt him, but he did average 106 with Doc so I wouldn't be surprised if he backs up again with another 100-105 season.

Also looking at the 3 years under Bolton Simmo has averaged over the ton twice, the other year he was pretty close to the ton in DT but under in SC due to the point share. You had Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuz and Doc take a huge chunk of points that year. If Carlton are a better team this year the point share may spread around but it all depends on how you think they will go. If you're avoiding Simmo you may as well avoid Cripps as well because with an improved midfield he won't be averaging 120 with the points spread around.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: _wato on March 20, 2019, 10:39:33 PM
Now now we're splitting a 35 year old Simmo and 25 year old Patty Cripps bahahah
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 20, 2019, 10:44:11 PM
Now now we're splitting a 35 year old Simmo and 25 year old Patty Cripps bahahah


The point is that Cripps is likely to regress in points and you're likely overpaying for him at this point as well. Cripps is more likely to be a 110-115 guy at the end of the year compared to the 120 he is basically priced at right now. However I'm assuming most of you are picking him based on the fact you think he will be a top 10 guy at the end of the year which Simmo and Laird will also be in defense.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: _wato on March 20, 2019, 10:54:17 PM
Yeah but that's the thing I don't see that. Why would there be any reason Cripps average goes down due to 'point sharing'.

He's the best inside guy in the league. Some extra help around him probably does him wonders. Not as if the extra help Blues brought in are gonna be racking up the possies and averaging good fantasy numbers. They're role players that will do a role and be meaningless fantasy prospects
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Commander on March 20, 2019, 10:54:26 PM
Now now we're splitting a 35 year old Simmo and 25 year old Patty Cripps bahahah


The point is that Cripps is likely to regress in points and you're likely overpaying for him at this point as well. Cripps is more likely to be a 110-115 guy at the end of the year compared to the 120 he is basically priced at right now. However I'm assuming most of you are picking him based on the fact you think he will be a top 10 guy at the end of the year which Simmo and Laird will also be in defense.

I can't see Cripps dropping off to 110-115. If anything the kid is going to get better this year with another full pre season. If Carlton can win say 2 more games for the year he will win the Brownlow and go 120+
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Sabretooth Tigers on March 20, 2019, 10:56:13 PM
Now now we're splitting a 35 year old Simmo and 25 year old Patty Cripps bahahah


The point is that Cripps is likely to regress in points and you're likely overpaying for him at this point as well. Cripps is more likely to be a 110-115 guy at the end of the year compared to the 120 he is basically priced at right now. However I'm assuming most of you are picking him based on the fact you think he will be a top 10 guy at the end of the year which Simmo and Laird will also be in defense.

Isn't this the first full pre-season Cripps has had for sometime ?? Might help to explain his popularity.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Pokerface on March 20, 2019, 11:12:45 PM
Simmo played like ass last year at times and he still topped the ton on average. His worst score was a 70 which means he has a good floor. With Doc not playing at HB they had him take the majority of the kickins and he plays on so much that his scoring spiked. Newman may hurt him, but he did average 106 with Doc so I wouldn't be surprised if he backs up again with another 100-105 season.

Also looking at the 3 years under Bolton Simmo has averaged over the ton twice, the other year he was pretty close to the ton in DT but under in SC due to the point share. You had Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuz and Doc take a huge chunk of points that year. If Carlton are a better team this year the point share may spread around but it all depends on how you think they will go. If you're avoiding Simmo you may as well avoid Cripps as well because with an improved midfield he won't be averaging 120 with the points spread around.

If Carlton are a worse team this year then there is less point share...
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 20, 2019, 11:30:23 PM
Yeah but that's the thing I don't see that. Why would there be any reason Cripps average goes down due to 'point sharing'.

He's the best inside guy in the league. Some extra help around him probably does him wonders. Not as if the extra help Blues brought in are gonna be racking up the possies and averaging good fantasy numbers. They're role players that will do a role and be meaningless fantasy prospects

Blues last year had 3 total players top the ton (that are on the list this season). Cripps, Simmo and Curnow. Next best was Murphy at 92 followed by Daisy at 85. Cripps was literally a one man band last year and reaped the benefits in SC.

While his play is suited to the game over DT (contested possession machine and involved in scoring chains), he would have seen his points inflate with the lack of impact of the players around him. Murphy I would expect alone to be much better than last year. I'd also expect improvement from guys like Samo, Dow, Fisher, Cuningham etc. Add in Walsh, Setters, Newman etc.

They won't be world beating scores, but they may all jump 10-15 ppg in some cases from where they were last year. You also aren't get the rolling pleb scores from Polson, O'Shea etc. in the team each week.

If Carlton are a worse team this year then there is less point share...

Correct, but they aren't. We were as bad as you could get last year. 2 wins (worst in club history) and decimated by injury to add to the pain. While I think we're still bottom 4, I think that the guys they have brought in are upgrades over the guys playing last season. Mullett, Graham, Pickett, O'Shea and Matt Shaw to name a few have been upgraded to Setters, Walsh, Newman, a healthy Murphy, Fas and Gibbons.

I'm not saying Cripps is magically going to drop to a 105 average, but with how much they relied on him last year it reflected in his SC scores. I think with some support those scores might dip to the 110-115 range which will still make him one of the better mids at the end of the year. It is the same argument most are using for not picking Laird. You have Smith/Milera possibly taking some of his SC points due to their impact on the game. It might see him drop those 5-10 points as well. If you're using that as an excuse to not pick Laird than you may as well not pick Cripps either.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 20, 2019, 11:44:41 PM
The last thing with Laird, how often are you going to find a back pocket that can rack up 30-40 touches a week? He is an absolute ball magnet
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Pokerface on March 21, 2019, 12:12:48 AM
Yeah but that's the thing I don't see that. Why would there be any reason Cripps average goes down due to 'point sharing'.

He's the best inside guy in the league. Some extra help around him probably does him wonders. Not as if the extra help Blues brought in are gonna be racking up the possies and averaging good fantasy numbers. They're role players that will do a role and be meaningless fantasy prospects

Blues last year had 3 total players top the ton (that are on the list this season). Cripps, Simmo and Curnow. Next best was Murphy at 92 followed by Daisy at 85. Cripps was literally a one man band last year and reaped the benefits in SC.

While his play is suited to the game over DT (contested possession machine and involved in scoring chains), he would have seen his points inflate with the lack of impact of the players around him. Murphy I would expect alone to be much better than last year. I'd also expect improvement from guys like Samo, Dow, Fisher, Cuningham etc. Add in Walsh, Setters, Newman etc.

They won't be world beating scores, but they may all jump 10-15 ppg in some cases from where they were last year. You also aren't get the rolling pleb scores from Polson, O'Shea etc. in the team each week.

If Carlton are a worse team this year then there is less point share...

Correct, but they aren't. We were as bad as you could get last year. 2 wins (worst in club history) and decimated by injury to add to the pain. While I think we're still bottom 4, I think that the guys they have brought in are upgrades over the guys playing last season. Mullett, Graham, Pickett, O'Shea and Matt Shaw to name a few have been upgraded to Setters, Walsh, Newman, a healthy Murphy, Fas and Gibbons.

I'm not saying Cripps is magically going to drop to a 105 average, but with how much they relied on him last year it reflected in his SC scores. I think with some support those scores might dip to the 110-115 range which will still make him one of the better mids at the end of the year. It is the same argument most are using for not picking Laird. You have Smith/Milera possibly taking some of his SC points due to their impact on the game. It might see him drop those 5-10 points as well. If you're using that as an excuse to not pick Laird than you may as well not pick Cripps either.

Don't want to sound disrespectful, but come the end of season I don't think Carlton will be in any better shape than the end of last season.

Smith/Milera impact on Laird is different to the sc point share which is a limited bucket of 3300. They aren't stealing from that bucket to reduce the available points on offer, they are stealing his actual possessions.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 21, 2019, 12:52:40 AM
The guys they will put out on the park should be far better than the guys they had last year. The ins ans outs from R23 last year to R1 this year.

Out: Polson, Lobbe, Byrne, Mullett, Marchbank, Rowe, O'Brien, Kerridge, Lang, Lamb, Silvagni, Wright, De Koning

In: Fas, Walsh, Newman, Phillips, Jones, Plowman, Setterfield, McGovern, Garlett, Gibbons, Fisher, Cuningham, Dow
 
A couple of those outs are guys that are probably best 22. Hence Garlett getting a game. That also doesn't include the spuds like O'Shea we had running around most weeks. I have us winning 4-6 games this year (and possibly going winless in the first 10). It's still poor, but they will be more competitive than last year.

Thing is they aren't stealing his possessions. He will still get his 30 plus a game come the real stuff. Where he will lose points is the impact of Sloane, the Crouch Bros and Milera/Smith's elite ball use out of the backline. I don't know how the CB restrictions hurt him, but Laird is a possession slut and that won't change
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Wanderer on March 21, 2019, 08:44:47 AM
Yeah but that's the thing I don't see that. Why would there be any reason Cripps average goes down due to 'point sharing'.

He's the best inside guy in the league. Some extra help around him probably does him wonders. Not as if the extra help Blues brought in are gonna be racking up the possies and averaging good fantasy numbers. They're role players that will do a role and be meaningless fantasy prospects

Blues last year had 3 total players top the ton (that are on the list this season). Cripps, Simmo and Curnow. Next best was Murphy at 92 followed by Daisy at 85. Cripps was literally a one man band last year and reaped the benefits in SC.

While his play is suited to the game over DT (contested possession machine and involved in scoring chains), he would have seen his points inflate with the lack of impact of the players around him. Murphy I would expect alone to be much better than last year. I'd also expect improvement from guys like Samo, Dow, Fisher, Cuningham etc. Add in Walsh, Setters, Newman etc.

They won't be world beating scores, but they may all jump 10-15 ppg in some cases from where they were last year. You also aren't get the rolling pleb scores from Polson, O'Shea etc. in the team each week.

If Carlton are a worse team this year then there is less point share...

Correct, but they aren't. We were as bad as you could get last year. 2 wins (worst in club history) and decimated by injury to add to the pain. While I think we're still bottom 4, I think that the guys they have brought in are upgrades over the guys playing last season. Mullett, Graham, Pickett, O'Shea and Matt Shaw to name a few have been upgraded to Setters, Walsh, Newman, a healthy Murphy, Fas and Gibbons.

I'm not saying Cripps is magically going to drop to a 105 average, but with how much they relied on him last year it reflected in his SC scores. I think with some support those scores might dip to the 110-115 range which will still make him one of the better mids at the end of the year. It is the same argument most are using for not picking Laird. You have Smith/Milera possibly taking some of his SC points due to their impact on the game. It might see him drop those 5-10 points as well. If you're using that as an excuse to not pick Laird than you may as well not pick Cripps either.
What he might lose in terms of usage, he will gain in effectiveness. The 6/6/6 rule will also benefit him. He will also kick more goals this year. Can't see him dropping much if at all.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Rusty00 on March 21, 2019, 09:02:36 AM
Happy for people to jump off guys like Smith and Crouch due to high ownership.

If they crash and burn you’re with the pack. If they jump and go bananas and you’ve got nope I don’t want them you’re in struggle street big time.

Sometimes the best POD is to go with the guys everyone is picking because lots of people will try and move away and that’s when it kills them.
If they crash and burn and you don't have them, you save a trade and gain points on the competition. If they go bananas and you don't have them, you can corrective trade after rd. 2 and get them anyways.

Not a huge deal either way imo, unless they get injured on 2 or go 150+ in the first 2 rounds.

Yes but considering both guys are 41% and nearly 30% owned and taking ito consideration 75% of people who play the game don’t have a genuine clue / don’t care/ ghostships after round 2 or 3 then you’ll be in the small percentile of people winning if it doesn’t work out for the guys who own both. Corrective trading isn’t that easy either, gonna have rookies to deal with and other things. So probably only 1 guy is an option.

Not a huge deal but I’d rather be in the boat of owning. Murphy a few years ago was a prime example, I didn’t jump on until after Rd 3 and fell right behind early, never recovered.

Very comfy moving away from
Brodie Smith at that ownership.

Ridiculously over selected imo

Ridiculously over selected if you're in the boat that defensive premiums are worth their price tag.

I'm in the boat that there is zero chance you'll get me paying 610k for Lloyd when theres a thousand mid premos much cheaper. Laird is gonna battle to even get close to 108 that's a fact, I see him going 98-100. Simmo has age queries (it's gonna catchup one day)
Sicily as a swingman, then you've got Whitfield trialled as a forward and then you're into the next tier of guys like Hurn and Crisp who represent value for money but their value won't change much.

Then you've got a whole lot of plodders who won't finish top 10 so why bother. Blokes like Smith are past premiums who have solid scoring history and look in awesome touch. He's only 330k, not as if you're paying into the 400's for him.

Reason for me picking Smith is that he's relatively safe in that he'll average 75 minimum in a defence that is littered with land mines and guys who are horribly overpriced for their output. Not to mention the queries on EVERY defensive premo option.
This is the reason I'm probably sticking with Smith. I thought of dropping Libba to a Rookie and upgrading Smith, but I don't want to spend up on anymore defensive premiums.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: TomK on March 21, 2019, 10:53:16 AM
This is the reason I'm probably sticking with Smith. I thought of dropping Libba to a Rookie and upgrading Smith, but I don't want to spend up on anymore defensive premiums.
Exact same situation as me, there's no def premo I'd be comfortable with with the amount of cash I'd have, and while it'll cost more trades down the line, unless I keep Libba as M9, the points gained at the start of the season make up for that imo.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: SilverLion on March 21, 2019, 08:15:58 PM
Who is this Nic Newman fello again?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Rusty00 on March 21, 2019, 08:17:34 PM
Who is this Nic Newman fello again?
Was just coming in here to ask if anyone picked him in the end?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 21, 2019, 08:18:10 PM
Who is this Nic Newman fello again?
Was just coming in here to ask if anyone picked him in the end?

9% of teams including mine
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jvalles69 on March 21, 2019, 08:40:40 PM
Lol at all the "experts" opinions on Newman being a burn.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 21, 2019, 08:50:49 PM
Lol at all the "experts" opinions on Newman being a burn.

Calm down, it's just 1 match :P
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jvalles69 on March 21, 2019, 09:22:39 PM
Lol at all the "experts" opinions on Newman being a burn.

Calm down, it's just 1 match :P

1 match becomes 2 matches, which becomes 3 matches. Then bam, it's too late! :P
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: ubeaut on March 21, 2019, 09:28:06 PM
Wow. Newman and Houli. Wasn't that keen on Newman but Houli was in and out of my team. Decided against him as I wanted 1 premo to go with Williams and Smith.
That 150-200k saved over Whitfield/Lloyd would have boosted my midfield nicely
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: ubeaut on March 21, 2019, 09:29:54 PM
Lol at all the "experts" opinions on Newman being a burn.

Calm down, it's just 1 match :P
Only 1 game but I've seen enough to think that Newman will go 90 at least, pretty good for 400k.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: frenzy on March 21, 2019, 10:06:02 PM
another couple of 83's from Simmo should get his price in the range I want  8)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on March 21, 2019, 10:17:27 PM
Lol at all the "experts" opinions on Newman being a burn.

Calm down, it's just 1 match :P
Only 1 game but I've seen enough to think that Newman will go 90 at least, pretty good for 400k.
newman did look good.  may be a corrective at rd3,  early days though
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 21, 2019, 10:57:58 PM
Newman is a gun. Might have to miss on him though until later in the season. Will only really want to use corrective trades on rookies and the guys tonight were underwhelming.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on March 21, 2019, 11:26:04 PM
Lol at all the "experts" opinions on Newman being a burn.

Calm down, it's just 1 match :P
Only 1 game but I've seen enough to think that Newman will go 90 at least, pretty good for 400k.

Talk about jumping the gun haha
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: sammy123 on March 22, 2019, 12:50:12 AM
Newman still a wait and see for me. His 1st jlt good. 2nd not good. 1st game good. I wanna see if he is good 1 week shower the next
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: dmac07 on March 22, 2019, 10:18:50 AM
Lol at all the "experts" opinions on Newman being a burn.

Calm down, it's just 1 match :P
Only 1 game but I've seen enough to think that Newman will go 90 at least, pretty good for 400k.

Talk about jumping the gun haha

Newman had the highest average in the league already, as if thats not going to continue..
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Wanderer on March 22, 2019, 11:30:37 AM
Newman still a wait and see for me. His 1st jlt good. 2nd not good. 1st game good. I wanna see if he is good 1 week shower the next
Agree, but he looks to be slotting into the Docherty role nicely and his disposal by foot is really good. I had him in my team until JLT 2.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 22, 2019, 08:38:03 PM
Interesting watching the tracker in this game. Stewart looked really good in the first half and like he could be fantasy relevant before slowing in that quarter.

Darcy Moore took 4 kickouts and jumped from 42 to 73 all of a sudden. I'd be shocked if they don't scale him back
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: SilverLion on March 22, 2019, 09:26:42 PM
Taylor>Moore
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: _wato on March 22, 2019, 10:51:23 PM
Taylor>Moore

Hahahaha and I was called ridiculous for saying he’s a handy pick
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: frenzy on March 22, 2019, 10:57:19 PM
thank goodness for kick in points, hey Darcy. Would be pretty showery without em.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 22, 2019, 11:21:14 PM
thank goodness for kick in points, hey Darcy. Would be pretty showery without em.

Wouldn't pick him otherwise ;)

Was on track to ton up - barely touched it or scored in the 4th :(
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: imjusflexin on March 22, 2019, 11:34:54 PM
Crisp with an average 82 or so tonight, racked up plenty of it but was just butchering it. Not worried at all.

Moore was better than expected to be honest, intercept marks were great so no chance to be dropped I'd say. Some more kick-ins would be good but 70+ can't complain.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 22, 2019, 11:55:07 PM
I still can't believe Moore's score. He was gaining about 8 points per kick in at one point which is fricken ridiculous. I think that's locked in Brodie Smith for me after seeing that. Really tempted to grab Hurn/Shaw as D1/D2
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Miss Pies on March 22, 2019, 11:58:47 PM
I had Harry in my team for so long and changed him to Ridley with 1/2day to go. Ridley better do something special.

As for my backs, I've gone with Lloyd, Hurn and Shaw. I reckon all three will do well :)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 23, 2019, 12:06:17 AM
I had Harry in my team for so long and changed him to Ridley with 1/2day to go. Ridley better do something special.

As for my backs, I've gone with Lloyd, Hurn and Shaw. I reckon all three will do well :)

While Lloyd is a bit underdone I really like these three options.

I'm backing Ridley to perform. Best to keep a little extra cash just in case something goes haywire and you can always turn him into Taylor if he keeps it up. No Hendo is probably the best option for him as well and keeps the team fairly balanced down back. Hendo looked awful in the one JLT game I caught.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Miss Pies on March 23, 2019, 12:15:54 AM
I had Harry in my team for so long and changed him to Ridley with 1/2day to go. Ridley better do something special.

As for my backs, I've gone with Lloyd, Hurn and Shaw. I reckon all three will do well :)

While Lloyd is a bit underdone I really like these three options.

I'm backing Ridley to perform. Best to keep a little extra cash just in case something goes haywire and you can always turn him into Taylor if he keeps it up. No Hendo is probably the best option for him as well and keeps the team fairly balanced down back. Hendo looked awful in the one JLT game I caught.

Yeah, I've kept 120k for team stuff ups. Last season I spent all my money and was stuck before round 3 price rises.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: backpocket on March 23, 2019, 10:57:41 AM
Harris Andrews v Whitfield vs hurn

Have this amazing feeling about Andrews but is it true he’ll be playing forward? Surely not!
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 23, 2019, 11:06:08 AM
I'd think Hurn after seeing the points rack up when he plays on in tight games for cheap stats.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: backpocket on March 23, 2019, 11:10:41 AM
I'd think Hurn after seeing the points rack up when he plays on in tight games for cheap stats.

Could you possibly start a Whitfield/hurn/smith combo or do you need one of Lloyd and laird?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 23, 2019, 11:12:22 AM
Could you possibly start a Whitfield/hurn/smith combo or do you need one of Lloyd and laird?

I really want to fit Laird and Hurn in but don't believe I can get the funds. I'm not sold on Whitfield averaging more than 95 if he plays the majority of games on the wing, but I think 2 premiums including Hurn with Smith at D3 is more than enough.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on March 23, 2019, 11:34:28 AM
Harris Andrews v Whitfield vs hurn

Have this amazing feeling about Andrews but is it true he’ll be playing forward? Surely not!
Andrews I suspect will be thrown forward at times possibly swapping with McStay but think that may be as a last resort. Andrews is a sound mark. Will be interesting to see what happens when Adams is fit.
Of the three you named would go Hutn, Andrews, Whitfield.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Miss Pies on March 23, 2019, 12:00:43 PM
Could you possibly start a Whitfield/hurn/smith combo or do you need one of Lloyd and laird?

I really want to fit Laird and Hurn in but don't believe I can get the funds. I'm not sold on Whitfield averaging more than 95 if he plays the majority of games on the wing, but I think 2 premiums including Hurn with Smith at D3 is more than enough.

95 for a defender isn't good enough for you? *giggles*
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 23, 2019, 12:04:41 PM
95 for a defender isn't good enough for you? *giggles*

It's perfectly fine, but I think I'd rather fork out a little more for Laird or a little less for Hurn who are both likely to score that and some
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 23, 2019, 03:48:50 PM
Laird a casual 9 touches and 37 SC in the first. Sicily 8 for 38.

Smith looks like a deer in the headlights so far
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Southstorm on March 23, 2019, 04:25:54 PM
Laird a casual 9 touches and 37 SC in the first. Sicily 8 for 38.

Smith looks like a deer in the headlights so far
Smith was a lot better that quarter thank god
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 23, 2019, 04:30:38 PM

Smith was a lot better that quarter thank god

Laird up to 65 as well. My gut said grab the guys taking kick outs so I ended up going with Hurn/Shaw instead. I couldn't get the cash for Laird.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: tommy10 on March 23, 2019, 04:48:20 PM

Smith was a lot better that quarter thank god

Laird up to 65 as well. My gut said grab the guys taking kick outs so I ended up going with Hurn/Shaw instead. I couldn't get the cash for Laird.
That’s why I said to grab Witherden instead to go with Laird instead of Shaw. Laird was never gonna leave my side.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Wanderer on March 23, 2019, 05:11:21 PM
Smith really doesn't like the physicality of the game
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: tkringle on March 23, 2019, 05:16:34 PM
Smith really doesn't like the physicality of the game

Hopefully can get to at least 80. Will take that for a poor game from him given the low floor he has shown in the past when playing bad
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: js19 on March 24, 2019, 03:00:49 AM
Salem killed it today, and with only 1.2% ownership. Anyone here pick him?

Don't say we weren't told...

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/supercoach-news/melbourne-ruckman-max-gawn-reveals-which-demons-you-should-pick-in-supercoach/news-story/f8248cf6deff0fcdf1f9c03660cdc71e

"Christian Salem could be the secret to SuperCoach success this year, according to teammate Max Gawn."
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Fid on March 24, 2019, 07:36:18 AM
Salem killed it today, and with only 1.2% ownership. Anyone here pick him?

Don't say we weren't told...

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/supercoach-news/melbourne-ruckman-max-gawn-reveals-which-demons-you-should-pick-in-supercoach/news-story/f8248cf6deff0fcdf1f9c03660cdc71e

"Christian Salem could be the secret to SuperCoach success this year, according to teammate Max Gawn."

I had him in my side very early but went off him....

I have change up my side a fair bit since my first attempt.  I did have both Witherden and Gray but I have just changed them for Salem and Billings

(http://i63.tinypic.com/312wenc.jpg)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: sammy123 on March 24, 2019, 08:12:03 AM
I watched the swans bulldogs game and thougt Lloyd didnt play that well
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: frenzy on March 24, 2019, 09:06:39 AM
I watched the swans bulldogs game and thougt Lloyd didnt play that well

Is that a sign of a good supercoach player though. Didn't appear to play well and still scored 131. He's going to be hard to get in, if you didn't start him.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 24, 2019, 04:40:06 PM
So frustrating watching Heath Shaw take kick ins and just chipping it to the pocket all day. 83 is probably a good result and with potential to go huge
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: js19 on March 24, 2019, 05:54:33 PM
I watched the swans bulldogs game and thougt Lloyd didnt play that well

Is that a sign of a good supercoach player though. Didn't appear to play well and still scored 131. He's going to be hard to get in, if you didn't start him.

Lot of link up possessions, and long effective kicks means the score constantly creeps up for him. SC gun
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Gandalf123 on March 24, 2019, 06:23:23 PM
I watched the swans bulldogs game and thougt Lloyd didnt play that well

Is that a sign of a good supercoach player though. Didn't appear to play well and still scored 131. He's going to be hard to get in, if you didn't start him.

Lot of link up possessions, and long effective kicks means the score constantly creeps up for him. SC gun
Yeah SC pig, short effective kicks + handball receives
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on March 25, 2019, 06:57:26 PM
flower me harris was goat on sat night, reckon he had 15 spoils
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: sammy123 on March 25, 2019, 07:20:18 PM
I watched the swans bulldogs game and thougt Lloyd didnt play that well

Is that a sign of a good supercoach player though. Didn't appear to play well and still scored 131. He's going to be hard to get in, if you didn't start him.

Lot of link up possessions, and long effective kicks means the score constantly creeps up for him. SC gun
Yeah SC pig, short effective kicks + handball receives

Yeah be doesnt strike me as an elite player. But racks up them SC scores
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on March 25, 2019, 07:43:27 PM
flower me harris was goat on sat night, reckon he had 15 spoils
and to think a few doubted when I recommended him for sc over Withergoat.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: SilverLion on March 25, 2019, 07:47:32 PM
flower me harris was goat on sat night, reckon he had 15 spoils
and to think a few doubted when I recommended him for sc over Withergoat.
I didn't Ringo ;)

WitherGOAT still the true GOAT but.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: TommyC on March 25, 2019, 08:07:03 PM
flower me harris was goat on sat night, reckon he had 15 spoils
and to think a few doubted when I recommended him for sc over Withergoat.
I didn't Ringo ;)

WitherGOAT still the true GOAT but.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: IntegralX on March 25, 2019, 10:08:14 PM
What about Macmillan? Entering his 10th season and started things off with a huge 124. Would’ve been higher if he didn’t turn it over a whole heap. 440k.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LaHug on March 26, 2019, 06:33:46 AM
flower me harris was goat on sat night, reckon he had 15 spoils
and to think a few doubted when I recommended him for sc over Withergoat.

I did :(

But, to be fair, I made every wrong decision Round 1. You should all be thanking me. If I'd picked him, he'd have stunk like every other pick I made.

What about Macmillan? Entering his 10th season and started things off with a huge 124. Would’ve been higher if he didn’t turn it over a whole heap. 440k.


History says he'll have 3 or 4 tons for the season and 1 or 2 will be around that 130 mark. He may well have just had his rare good SC game in Round 1. If he backs it up (he hasn't scored consecutive tons since 2015 - the one year it was worth having him), then he starts being worth a look.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: caluuum on March 26, 2019, 06:58:10 AM
What about Macmillan? Entering his 10th season and started things off with a huge 124. Would’ve been higher if he didn’t turn it over a whole heap. 440k.


History says he'll have 3 or 4 tons for the season and 1 or 2 will be around that 130 mark. He may well have just had his rare good SC game in Round 1. If he backs it up (he hasn't scored consecutive tons since 2015 - the one year it was worth having him), then he starts being worth a look.
True - although it was easy predicting him to go big this game with Scott Thompson out. As soon as that happens he takes all the kick ins and plays on. If Scotty misses more games then he could be worth a look
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on March 27, 2019, 06:53:31 AM
flower me harris was goat on sat night, reckon he had 15 spoils
and to think a few doubted when I recommended him for sc over Withergoat.
I didn't Ringo ;)

WitherGOAT still the true GOAT but.
Harris the true mophead doe <3
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: _wato on March 28, 2019, 10:22:21 PM
Starny pig 8)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Keeper27 on March 29, 2019, 10:34:28 AM
loving the Moore pick, doing much better than i expected.
was hoping for low 80s, now looking better than that.
hope it keeps up
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: strikeforce on March 29, 2019, 10:42:19 AM
Crisp is looking very dangerous. Watched him closely last night and they use him 99% of time out the back line. They will even do a short kick to get the ball in his hands. Scored 144 DT and 120 odd supercoach.

Should be top 6
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: hawkers65 on March 29, 2019, 11:03:44 AM
Crisp is looking very dangerous. Watched him closely last night and they use him 99% of time out the back line. They will even do a short kick to get the ball in his hands. Scored 144 DT and 120 odd supercoach.

Should be top 6

I took him D1, he is a gun. Only thing that held him back was his DE but over the pre-season he hit a career high in touches and he banged out another 32 which equalled his best last year. Also never misses games, cant believe he was only in 7% of teams
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: TommyC on March 29, 2019, 11:11:25 AM
Crisp is looking very dangerous. Watched him closely last night and they use him 99% of time out the back line. They will even do a short kick to get the ball in his hands. Scored 144 DT and 120 odd supercoach.

Should be top 6

I took him D1, he is a gun. Only thing that held him back was his DE but over the pre-season he hit a career high in touches and he banged out another 32 which equalled his best last year. Also never misses games, cant believe he was only in 7% of teams
I wish I did. Don't get me wrong, I like Hurn.
But Crisp has gone to another level this year.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: hawkers65 on March 29, 2019, 11:13:18 AM
Crisp is looking very dangerous. Watched him closely last night and they use him 99% of time out the back line. They will even do a short kick to get the ball in his hands. Scored 144 DT and 120 odd supercoach.

Should be top 6

I took him D1, he is a gun. Only thing that held him back was his DE but over the pre-season he hit a career high in touches and he banged out another 32 which equalled his best last year. Also never misses games, cant believe he was only in 7% of teams
I wish I did. Don't get me wrong, I like Hurn.
But Crisp has gone to another level this year.

Crisp just doesnt have the ceiling to go massive as he is relatively uncontested and isnt that great with intercept possessions. But he looks good for a 100 average with how many marks and kicks he is getting atm.  Was pretty poor last week with only 3 marks and 65% DE and he still pulled an 80. Last night he was close to BOG. Happy days
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: tor01doc on March 29, 2019, 11:27:53 AM
Collingwood Supercoach Gold


Grundy
Treloar
Beams
Pendles
Sidebum
DeGoey
Crisp
Howe
Maybe Mayne

and now more with Moore
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LordSneeze on March 29, 2019, 11:47:23 AM
Collingwood Supercoach Gold


Grundy
Treloar
Beams
Pendles
Sidebum
DeGoey
Crisp
Howe
Maybe Mayne

and now more with Moore

Problem is that not everyteam will be like Richmond, so there will be up and down games for most of those players given the lack of points to go around
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: ubeaut on March 29, 2019, 01:14:46 PM
Collingwood Supercoach Gold


Grundy
Treloar
Beams
Pendles
Sidebum
DeGoey
Crisp
Howe
Maybe Mayne

and now more with Moore
Only ones worth picking besides Grundy are Treloar, Crisp and maybe Beams. Howe could be OK but would have Crisp instead.
Sidebum, Mayne , De Goey and Pendles no thanks.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: bkimm32 on March 29, 2019, 01:45:39 PM
Collingwood Supercoach Gold


Grundy
Treloar
Beams
Pendles
Sidebum
DeGoey
Crisp
Howe
Maybe Mayne

and now more with Moore
Only ones worth picking besides Grundy are Treloar, Crisp and maybe Beams. Howe could be OK but would have Crisp instead.
Sidebum, Mayne , De Goey and Pendles no thanks.
This.

Front ass wouldn't be too bad as a POD. has some huge games.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on March 29, 2019, 02:17:40 PM
Collingwood Supercoach Gold


Grundy
Treloar
Beams
Pendles
Sidebum
DeGoey
Crisp
Howe
Maybe Mayne

and now more with Moore
Only ones worth picking besides Grundy are Treloar, Crisp and maybe Beams. Howe could be OK but would have Crisp instead.
Sidebum, Mayne , De Goey and Pendles no thanks.
This.

Front ass wouldn't be too bad as a POD. has some huge games.
Especially when umps can not see that he throws rather than handballs.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: tommy10 on March 29, 2019, 02:49:39 PM
Collingwood Supercoach Gold


Grundy
Treloar
Beams
Pendles
Sidebum
DeGoey
Crisp
Howe
Maybe Mayne

and now more with Moore
Only ones worth picking besides Grundy are Treloar, Crisp and maybe Beams. Howe could be OK but would have Crisp instead.
Sidebum, Mayne , De Goey and Pendles no thanks.
This.

Front ass wouldn't be too bad as a POD. has some huge games.
Especially when umps can not see that he throws rather than handballs.
Was so obvious yesterday...
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Jalapeno on March 29, 2019, 02:54:56 PM
Collingwood Supercoach Gold


Grundy
Treloar
Beams
Pendles
Sidebum
DeGoey
Crisp
Howe
Maybe Mayne

and now more with Moore
Only ones worth picking besides Grundy are Treloar, Crisp and maybe Beams. Howe could be OK but would have Crisp instead.
Sidebum, Mayne , De Goey and Pendles no thanks.
This.

Front ass wouldn't be too bad as a POD. has some huge games.
Especially when umps can not see that he throws rather than handballs.
Was so obvious yesterday...

Come on guys.... You are talking outta your sidebums
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Judd Magic on March 29, 2019, 02:56:33 PM
No way will I ever pick Howe again or Treloar.

Those 2 were a major pain last year with the burns I received from them.

Both on JM's never again list.  :'(
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: frenzy on March 29, 2019, 09:37:58 PM
Clearly gonna need to get Lloyd in before his price blows out too far, another 124 tonite. Crazy numbers.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: js19 on March 29, 2019, 09:39:09 PM
Clearly gonna need to get Lloyd in before his price blows out too far, another 124 tonite. Crazy numbers.

Very glad I started him. 68 touches first two weeks, and doesn't waste them. SC gold
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: sammy123 on March 29, 2019, 10:04:50 PM
Clearly gonna need to get Lloyd in before his price blows out too far, another 124 tonite. Crazy numbers.

Very glad I started him. 68 touches first two weeks, and doesn't waste them. SC gold

Will be my first upgrade target
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on March 29, 2019, 10:46:43 PM
Clearly gonna need to get Lloyd in before his price blows out too far, another 124 tonite. Crazy numbers.

Very glad I started him. 68 touches first two weeks, and doesn't waste them. SC gold

Will be my first upgrade target
bloody hard to ignore and does not look like slowing down,  not sure when i will be able to get him?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on March 30, 2019, 12:04:29 AM
Clearly gonna need to get Lloyd in before his price blows out too far, another 124 tonite. Crazy numbers.

Very glad I started him. 68 touches first two weeks, and doesn't waste them. SC gold

Will be my first upgrade target
bloody hard to ignore and does not look like slowing down,  not sure when i will be able to get him?

I just keep thinking back to Docherty, almost impossible to get him in after the first few rounds. Gut says now or never, he's the standout and those with him have a very sizable advantage. I'm almost hoping Oliver spuds it up so I can make a quick & decisive decision.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on March 30, 2019, 01:18:16 AM
Clearly gonna need to get Lloyd in before his price blows out too far, another 124 tonite. Crazy numbers.

Very glad I started him. 68 touches first two weeks, and doesn't waste them. SC gold

Will be my first upgrade target
bloody hard to ignore and does not look like slowing down,  not sure when i will be able to get him?

I just keep thinking back to Docherty, almost impossible to get him in after the first few rounds. Gut says now or never, he's the standout and those with him have a very sizable advantage. I'm almost hoping Oliver spuds it up so I can make a quick & decisive decision.
think that is going to be the only way - via a mid trade.   puts up mids scores so makes sense  since i lost ridley and hore and dont have clark my def is looking bare
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: IntegralX on March 30, 2019, 01:46:56 AM
Mills will be the first one i get rid of. Looks off the pace and Longmire has no interest in playing him through the middle. Goodbye.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: tkringle on March 30, 2019, 05:52:25 AM
Clearly gonna need to get Lloyd in before his price blows out too far, another 124 tonite. Crazy numbers.

Very glad I started him. 68 touches first two weeks, and doesn't waste them. SC gold

Will be my first upgrade target
bloody hard to ignore and does not look like slowing down,  not sure when i will be able to get him?

Going to have to downgrade Martin to a rookie, then Collins up to Lloyd If Collins spuds again..

Means I better move on Wilkie this week as well
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: North Melbournes Finest on March 30, 2019, 07:55:29 AM
At one point last year (about half way through), I had the choice take Lloyd or Howe, I took Lloyd and every week my heart broke looking at Lloyd's score and seeing Howe scrub it up or be injured. I knew from about rd 16 last year no matter what his price was, I wasn't going to leave Lloyd out of my team this year.

Absolutely gets the cheapest disposals but when he's on your team you don't care.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Woppa15 on March 30, 2019, 08:10:21 AM
Mills will be the first one i get rid of. Looks off the pace and Longmire has no interest in playing him through the middle. Goodbye.

+1
Unfortunately got sucked in by the talk of a move to the midfield. Horse Longmire is fast becoming Ross Lyon 2.0
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on March 30, 2019, 08:21:51 AM
Agree on Lloyd and will think long and hard whether to get him this week. Will assess when I see B/e and expected price rise,
One option available is upgrade Simmo who will float around that price and get again later on, Waste of a trade though.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: AaronKirk on March 30, 2019, 08:35:41 AM
Mills will be the first one i get rid of. Looks off the pace and Longmire has no interest in playing him through the middle. Goodbye.

+1
Unfortunately got sucked in by the talk of a move to the midfield. Horse Longmire is fast becoming Ross Lyon 2.0

Yep. Got sucked in as well. The swans as a whole were very ordinary last night so it may change in coming weeks but looks unlikely
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Wanderer on March 30, 2019, 08:40:00 AM
Mills will be the first one i get rid of. Looks off the pace and Longmire has no interest in playing him through the middle. Goodbye.

+1
Unfortunately got sucked in by the talk of a move to the midfield. Horse Longmire is fast becoming Ross Lyon 2.0
I'm looking at a Mills to Newman trade next week.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Woppa15 on March 30, 2019, 08:55:45 AM
Mills will be the first one i get rid of. Looks off the pace and Longmire has no interest in playing him through the middle. Goodbye.

+1
Unfortunately got sucked in by the talk of a move to the midfield. Horse Longmire is fast becoming Ross Lyon 2.0

Yep. Got sucked in as well. The swans as a whole were very ordinary last night so it may change in coming weeks but looks unlikely

Swans have definitely been ordinary and yes they may get their act together in the coming weeks/month but unless Mills role changes I can’t see him becoming the pick I was hoping for.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 30, 2019, 09:00:49 AM
Where are all the people who said Lloyd was overpriced and wouldn't back it up? :P

Very glad I started him. 68 touches first two weeks, and doesn't waste them. SC gold

+1 :)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: ubeaut on March 30, 2019, 09:07:48 AM
Where are all the people who said Lloyd was overpriced and wouldn't back it up? :P

Very glad I started him. 68 touches first two weeks, and doesn't waste them. SC gold

+1 :)
I said that, but guess what I picked him anyway. I decided that with a cheap defence with Smith at D3 I needed 1 premo to anchor the line.
I hated not having Lloyd last year, and my gut said just ignore the price and lock in the best.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LaHug on March 30, 2019, 09:59:56 AM
So, having watched the Swans last night, their strategy of setting up everything from half back and going sideways will see them miss the 8 by a long way. Is Horse a good enough coach to identify that and change it? If he is, will that eventually hurt Lloyd? Right now, their game style guarantees Lloyd a 110+ every single week so, assuming it won't change, I'll need to jump on board asap.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: frenzy on March 30, 2019, 11:26:33 AM
Where are all the people who said Lloyd was overpriced and wouldn't back it up? :P

Very glad I started him. 68 touches first two weeks, and doesn't waste them. SC gold

+1 :)

Probably working out how to get Dusty out their team. :P
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 30, 2019, 11:41:19 AM
So, having watched the Swans last night, their strategy of setting up everything from half back and going sideways will see them miss the 8 by a long way. Is Horse a good enough coach to identify that and change it? If he is, will that eventually hurt Lloyd? Right now, their game style guarantees Lloyd a 110+ every single week so, assuming it won't change, I'll need to jump on board asap.

They will chip it around half back which will see Lloyd have a nice floor. It's why he has dropped below 70 twice in the last two years and one of them has been the concussion game. I still think he is overpriced and if he has a couple of those mid 70's games in a row that will be the time to jump on. You just have to hope it's not late in the season when teams start tagging him and it happens a little earlier.

He is also averaging 34.5 disposals and 10 marks as a half back flanker. That's not sustainable. Laird opened the season last year with back to back 40 touch games and averaged 32 for the year. It will likely come back to 30 and 6
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: frenzy on March 30, 2019, 02:11:51 PM
drastic measures, but I've worked out next weeks operation get Lloyd in trade already and I like it. A third ruckman and Ridley becomes Lloyd and rookie.   8)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: js19 on March 30, 2019, 02:26:53 PM
drastic measures, but I've worked out next weeks operation get Lloyd in trade already and I like it. A third ruckman and Ridley becomes Lloyd and rookie.   8)

Who is the 3rd ruckman...? If it’s Grundy, Gawn or Hoff, you’re probably better off keeping
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 30, 2019, 07:19:44 PM
Zac Williams playing full time forward

Not happy
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 30, 2019, 07:22:46 PM
Zac Williams playing full time forward

Not happy

His score says otherwise
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 30, 2019, 07:24:33 PM
Zac Williams playing full time forward

Not happy

His score says otherwise

His score and stat's surprised me - barely noticed him.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Gigantor on March 30, 2019, 07:32:24 PM
Zac Williams playing full time forward

Not happy

His score says otherwise

His score and stat's surprised me - barely noticed him.
Yeah he got his touches when GWS were dominating the early part of the game
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Judd Magic on March 30, 2019, 11:41:25 PM
Is it worth trading out M.Crouch > Butters and Hore (if he doesn't come back) > Lloyd?

M.Crouch is my M6 (went way to heavy in the mids) have Constable sitting on the bench.

Or going Heeney via Moore > Lloyd?

Only ways I can think of getting the seagull into my team.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: imjusflexin on March 30, 2019, 11:44:16 PM
Is it worth trading out M.Crouch > Butters and Hore (if he doesn't come back) > Lloyd?

M.Crouch is my M6 (went way to heavy in the mids) have Constable sitting on the bench.

Or going Heeney via Moore > Lloyd?

Only ways I can think of getting the seagull into my team.
Not worth losing either of those guys for him.. Just wait until he scores a 70 odd and his price drops, then jump on.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Judd Magic on March 30, 2019, 11:48:01 PM
Is it worth trading out M.Crouch > Butters and Hore (if he doesn't come back) > Lloyd?

M.Crouch is my M6 (went way to heavy in the mids) have Constable sitting on the bench.

Or going Heeney via Moore > Lloyd?

Only ways I can think of getting the seagull into my team.
Not worth losing either of those guys for him.. Just wait until he scores a 70 odd and his price drops, then jump on.

Guess I've got no choice.

Just kills seeing Lloyd killing it....
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: dmac07 on March 30, 2019, 11:53:07 PM
Is it worth trading out M.Crouch > Butters and Hore (if he doesn't come back) > Lloyd?

M.Crouch is my M6 (went way to heavy in the mids) have Constable sitting on the bench.

Or going Heeney via Moore > Lloyd?

Only ways I can think of getting the seagull into my team.
Not worth losing either of those guys for him.. Just wait until he scores a 70 odd and his price drops, then jump on.

Guess I've got no choice.

Just kills seeing Lloyd killing it....

He is already top priced though, so might as well wait till a rookie fattens, then you grab him at his starting price still at worst.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: sammy123 on March 31, 2019, 12:14:55 AM
Is it worth trading out M.Crouch > Butters and Hore (if he doesn't come back) > Lloyd?

M.Crouch is my M6 (went way to heavy in the mids) have Constable sitting on the bench.

Or going Heeney via Moore > Lloyd?

Only ways I can think of getting the seagull into my team.
Not worth losing either of those guys for him.. Just wait until he scores a 70 odd and his price drops, then jump on.

Guess I've got no choice.

Just kills seeing Lloyd killing it....

Just make him your no1 priority aftera rookie is ready to be downgraded
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Judd Magic on March 31, 2019, 12:18:19 AM
Yeah just going to make Lloyd my first upgrade target now instead.

Might do a rookie correction trade or 2 next week. Got most of the good rookies.

Wouldn't mind grabbing Rozee and Butters.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ingram on March 31, 2019, 02:10:28 AM
Saad 114, 104 - 407k 109 ave
Newman 134, 82 - 394k 108 ave

Who's everyone taking about and who's flying under the radar?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on March 31, 2019, 07:13:56 AM
Saad 114, 104 - 407k 109 ave
Newman 134, 82 - 394k 108 ave

Who's everyone taking about and who's flying under the radar?
pts/$ vs total pts question.   
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LaHug on March 31, 2019, 12:21:49 PM
To everyone that suggested HAND... I will officially take any and all advice from you going forward. I can't believe I went Witherden over him. He's a freak!
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: IntegralX on March 31, 2019, 01:21:45 PM
To everyone that suggested HAND... I will officially take any and all advice from you going forward. I can't believe I went Witherden over him. He's a freak!

...who?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on March 31, 2019, 01:40:50 PM
Harris Andrews. Was killing it before HT
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: js19 on April 06, 2019, 06:04:04 PM
Whitfield is a must have together with Lloyd atm, but a real struggle to find a way to get him in...
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on April 06, 2019, 06:06:54 PM
Whitfield is a must have together with Lloyd atm, but a real struggle to find a way to get him in...

Was thinking the same thing. I had the chance to grab Whitfield this week and grabbed Darcy Moore instead to get the cash. I think both will put in a stinker at some point. You hope it's sooner rather than later or they will be unobtainable
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Wanderer on April 06, 2019, 06:14:43 PM
Whitfield is a must have together with Lloyd atm, but a real struggle to find a way to get him in...

Was thinking the same thing. I had the chance to grab Whitfield this week and grabbed Darcy Moore instead to get the cash. I think both will put in a stinker at some point. You hope it's sooner rather than later or they will be unobtainable

I grabbed Whitfield this week (over Worpel) for Mundy thanks to your advice in the corrections trades thread. Have Lloyd as well and I kept Mills.  :)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Wanderer on April 06, 2019, 06:19:51 PM
I kept Mills this week because had to fix Mundy and Hore first, but it paid off. I'm still not sure about Mills because it was against Carlton and he is not getting any mid time, but might hold for now because he won't lose much of his price for now.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Southstorm on April 06, 2019, 08:20:57 PM
Crisp is torturing me
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: tommy10 on April 06, 2019, 10:16:48 PM
Crisp is torturing me
He’ll have his ups and downs but will be a top 6 defender
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: SilverLion on April 06, 2019, 10:41:23 PM
Crisp Andrews is torturing me
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: imjusflexin on April 06, 2019, 11:06:55 PM
Crisp & Andrews are my D1/2, and I traded out Heeney.. Not my week
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: bkimm32 on April 07, 2019, 04:25:31 AM
Whitfield was another I had all pre season and being played forward in the JLT scared me off.. regrets  >:(
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on April 07, 2019, 06:06:12 AM
Just remember at times defenders will have a job to do. Andrews last night seemed to have the job on Ryder/Lycett and whilst they were down on previous so was his own score. Sometimes the Team takes precedence  :D :D
I have Simmo so just wondering which of Whitfield or Lloyd I should upgrade to if I decide Simmo needs to go this week. Simmo is my D1,
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: sammy123 on April 07, 2019, 06:27:58 AM
Just remember at times defenders will have a job to do. Andrews last night seemed to have the job on Ryder/Lycett and whilst they were down on previous so was his own score. Sometimes the Team takes precedence  :D :D
I have Simmo so just wondering which of Whitfield or Lloyd I should upgrade to if I decide Simmo needs to go this week. Simmo is my D1,

Im just wondering  why teams havent payed whitfield any attention he is very damaging
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Rusty00 on April 07, 2019, 06:38:20 AM
Just remember at times defenders will have a job to do. Andrews last night seemed to have the job on Ryder/Lycett and whilst they were down on previous so was his own score. Sometimes the Team takes precedence  :D :D
I have Simmo so just wondering which of Whitfield or Lloyd I should upgrade to if I decide Simmo needs to go this week. Simmo is my D1,

Im just wondering  why teams havent payed whitfield any attention he is very damaging
Yeah I’m staggered by this as well
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on April 07, 2019, 09:42:29 AM
Crisp & Andrews are my D1/2, and I traded out Heeney.. Not my week
sorry,  only time I have smiled since swans game yesterday after I traded heeney to crisp 5mins before the game.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on April 07, 2019, 09:57:31 AM
Just remember at times defenders will have a job to do. Andrews last night seemed to have the job on Ryder/Lycett and whilst they were down on previous so was his own score. Sometimes the Team takes precedence  :D :D
I have Simmo so just wondering which of Whitfield or Lloyd I should upgrade to if I decide Simmo needs to go this week. Simmo is my D1,

Im just wondering  why teams havent payed whitfield any attention he is very damaging
Yeah I’m staggered by this as well

Richmond don't have a tagger so yesterday was understandable, and the week before Hutch went to Conigs and murdered him

Whitfield would be quite hard to tag - not many players can keep up with him for 4 qtr because of his massive tank

They've got Geelong at GMHBA next week, so I'm hoping the Cats will put some attention into him
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: YoungGun on April 07, 2019, 11:00:54 AM
Just remember at times defenders will have a job to do. Andrews last night seemed to have the job on Ryder/Lycett and whilst they were down on previous so was his own score. Sometimes the Team takes precedence  :D :D
I have Simmo so just wondering which of Whitfield or Lloyd I should upgrade to if I decide Simmo needs to go this week. Simmo is my D1,

Im just wondering  why teams havent payed whitfield any attention he is very damaging
Yeah I’m staggered by this as well

Richmond don't have a tagger so yesterday was understandable, and the week before Hutch went to Conigs and murdered him

Whitfield would be quite hard to tag - not many players can keep up with him for 4 qtr because of his massive tank

They've got Geelong at GMHBA next week, so I'm hoping the Cats will put some attention into him

Fingers crossed the cats do nothing of the sort ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Wanderer on April 07, 2019, 11:58:01 AM
Just remember at times defenders will have a job to do. Andrews last night seemed to have the job on Ryder/Lycett and whilst they were down on previous so was his own score. Sometimes the Team takes precedence  :D :D
I have Simmo so just wondering which of Whitfield or Lloyd I should upgrade to if I decide Simmo needs to go this week. Simmo is my D1,

I have both, but if i had to choose then Lloyd would be the easy choice for me. His game is made for solid SC scoring with a very high floor and very high ceiling.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Rusty00 on April 07, 2019, 04:29:51 PM
I’m confident Hewett will tag him as he has done it very well before, but waiting for that to happen is going to be painful for us non-owners :(
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Southstorm on April 07, 2019, 05:19:23 PM
Crisp is torturing me
He’ll have his ups and downs but will be a top 6 defender
I agree that's the logical conclusion but Crisp seemed third preferred option of half back for the pies last night with Maynard and Howe getting most of the work. If this is an aberration then nothing to worry about but if the pecking order has changed...

let's just hope this is just a down week and nothing more.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on April 07, 2019, 06:09:10 PM
Spewing I don't have Whitfield but Luke Ryan will do :)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: batt on April 07, 2019, 07:59:20 PM
Spewing I don't have Whitfield but Luke Ryan will do :)
^

oh wait I have the HAND.

:(

Gonna be a week by week proposition in defense after Lloyd and Whitfield.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Judd Magic on April 07, 2019, 08:12:38 PM
Whitfield was another I had all pre season and being played forward in the JLT scared me off.. regrets  >:(
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: TommyC on April 07, 2019, 08:23:02 PM
Whitfield was another I had all pre season and being played forward in the JLT scared me off.. regrets  >:(
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Southstorm on April 07, 2019, 08:23:34 PM
I'm totally snacking on sour grapes right now but surely a tag is coming for Whitfield in the near future  ;D
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HappyDEZ on April 07, 2019, 08:48:50 PM
I'm totally snacking on sour grapes right now but surely a tag is coming for Whitfield in the near future  ;D
It's a strange one. Just a lazy 42 possies (35 uncontested), 12 marks & a whopping 813 metres gained. I don't know if coaches don't want to compromise their own structures/game plans but sheesh. I reckon sometimes they can't see the forest for the trees. Someone did comment that he is a tough match up with a huge tank but I would've thought you have to try something.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: dmac07 on April 07, 2019, 09:32:05 PM
I'm totally snacking on sour grapes right now but surely a tag is coming for Whitfield in the near future  ;D

Nah, Kelly is back now, he will get them... I hope
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HoleMeal on April 08, 2019, 01:51:37 PM
Wayne Milera anyone?

Well priced at $451k - 82, 105, 109.

Have only watched the one Crows game, can he keep it up?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: strikeforce on April 08, 2019, 02:24:04 PM
Wayne Milera anyone?

Well priced at $451k - 82, 105, 109.

Have only watched the one Crows game, can he keep it up?

Very good player but would rather wait 2 weeks and get laird for under 100k more. laird will be top 6
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: sammy123 on April 08, 2019, 06:46:15 PM
So looking at supercoach gold. It reckons Lloyds lowest price all season will be 600K exactly
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on April 08, 2019, 07:06:12 PM
So looking at supercoach gold. It reckons Lloyds lowest price all season will be 600K exactly

Going to be very tough to get him in, I may even just bite the bullet & get him in this week One thing I learnt from Grundy last year is that you have to strike early otherwise it's a logistical nightmare.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: sammy123 on April 08, 2019, 07:57:46 PM
So looking at supercoach gold. It reckons Lloyds lowest price all season will be 600K exactly

Going to be very tough to get him in, I may even just bite the bullet & get him in this week One thing I learnt from Grundy last year is that you have to strike early otherwise it's a logistical nightmare.

I cant do it the only way would be to use 2 trades and they would be sideways. Heres hoping to a quiet game
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on April 09, 2019, 02:06:37 PM
I'm totally snacking on sour grapes right now but surely a tag is coming for Whitfield in the near future  ;D
It's a strange one. Just a lazy 42 possies (35 uncontested), 12 marks & a whopping 813 metres gained. I don't know if coaches don't want to compromise their own structures/game plans but sheesh. I reckon sometimes they can't see the forest for the trees. Someone did comment that he is a tough match up with a huge tank but I would've thought you have to try something.
collingwood could play phillips on him, every team has someone with a huge tank worth bringing to run with him.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on April 09, 2019, 09:52:44 PM
I'm totally snacking on sour grapes right now but surely a tag is coming for Whitfield in the near future  ;D
It's a strange one. Just a lazy 42 possies (35 uncontested), 12 marks & a whopping 813 metres gained. I don't know if coaches don't want to compromise their own structures/game plans but sheesh. I reckon sometimes they can't see the forest for the trees. Someone did comment that he is a tough match up with a huge tank but I would've thought you have to try something.
collingwood could play phillips on him, every team has someone with a huge tank worth bringing to run with him.

He's very hard to tag because he lines up in all sorts of positions. Started last week at half forward, moves to half back or the wing as he pleases. Good luck finding someone that can follow him around and is comfortable in all of those positions. I've only watched him super closely this year because I started him in supercoach and he is one of the smartest players in the league and positions himself so well. Had never paid that much attention to him before
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: PowerBug on April 10, 2019, 08:34:55 AM
I’m surprised at the lack of discussion on Tom Stewart and Daniel Rich. Is everyone just assuming they won’t be near the top this year and it’s just a hot run? Rich obviously has form as a bit of a burn man but that was when he copped tags, I’d say the Lions gave other taggable players now.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: sammy123 on April 10, 2019, 08:37:13 AM
I’m surprised at the lack of discussion on Tom Stewart and Daniel Rich. Is everyone just assuming they won’t be near the top this year and it’s just a hot run? Rich obviously has form as a bit of a burn man but that was when he copped tags, I’d say the Lions gave other taggable players now.

Tom stewart is definitely on my radar
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on April 10, 2019, 08:38:39 AM
I’m surprised at the lack of discussion on Tom Stewart and Daniel Rich. Is everyone just assuming they won’t be near the top this year and it’s just a hot run? Rich obviously has form as a bit of a burn man but that was when he copped tags, I’d say the Lions gave other taggable players now.

Too early in the season to be looking at guys like them I think. Lloyd and Whitfield are the priorities

They also have the horror bye too
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: PowerBug on April 10, 2019, 08:40:07 AM
I’m surprised at the lack of discussion on Tom Stewart and Daniel Rich. Is everyone just assuming they won’t be near the top this year and it’s just a hot run? Rich obviously has form as a bit of a burn man but that was when he copped tags, I’d say the Lions gave other taggable players now.

Too early in the season to be looking at guys like them I think. Lloyd and Whitfield are the priorities

They also have the horror bye too
If Rich is going to average 100 then I want him while he’s 460k. Now is exactly the time to get them when they have value in them as well.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on April 10, 2019, 09:26:20 AM
I’m surprised at the lack of discussion on Tom Stewart and Daniel Rich. Is everyone just assuming they won’t be near the top this year and it’s just a hot run? Rich obviously has form as a bit of a burn man but that was when he copped tags, I’d say the Lions gave other taggable players now.

Too early in the season to be looking at guys like them I think. Lloyd and Whitfield are the priorities

They also have the horror bye too
If Rich is going to average 100 then I want him while he’s 460k. Now is exactly the time to get them when they have value in them as well.

Big IF

Career high avg of 91.5

History suggests he won't keep this up, and 460k for a questionable DEF isn't exactly a bargain either. Plenty of good defs will be available for under 500k throughout the season
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on April 10, 2019, 11:17:38 AM
I’m surprised at the lack of discussion on Tom Stewart and Daniel Rich. Is everyone just assuming they won’t be near the top this year and it’s just a hot run? Rich obviously has form as a bit of a burn man but that was when he copped tags, I’d say the Lions gave other taggable players now.

Too early in the season to be looking at guys like them I think. Lloyd and Whitfield are the priorities

They also have the horror bye too
If Rich is going to average 100 then I want him while he’s 460k. Now is exactly the time to get them when they have value in them as well.

Big IF

Career high avg of 91.5

History suggests he won't keep this up, and 460k for a questionable DEF isn't exactly a bargain either. Plenty of good defs will be available for under 500k throughout the season
I won't be getting Rich myself, but damn, if you wanted a cheapish POD in defence right now, he looks flowering good so far this season.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: dmac07 on April 10, 2019, 11:43:04 AM
I’m surprised at the lack of discussion on Tom Stewart and Daniel Rich. Is everyone just assuming they won’t be near the top this year and it’s just a hot run? Rich obviously has form as a bit of a burn man but that was when he copped tags, I’d say the Lions gave other taggable players now.

Too early in the season to be looking at guys like them I think. Lloyd and Whitfield are the priorities

They also have the horror bye too
If Rich is going to average 100 then I want him while he’s 460k. Now is exactly the time to get them when they have value in them as well.

Big IF

Career high avg of 91.5

History suggests he won't keep this up, and 460k for a questionable DEF isn't exactly a bargain either. Plenty of good defs will be available for under 500k throughout the season
I won't be getting Rich myself, but damn, if you wanted a cheapish POD in defence right now, he looks flowering good so far this season.

Any more good games a team will tag him and he won't crack 50.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: ubeaut on April 10, 2019, 01:30:39 PM
I’m surprised at the lack of discussion on Tom Stewart and Daniel Rich. Is everyone just assuming they won’t be near the top this year and it’s just a hot run? Rich obviously has form as a bit of a burn man but that was when he copped tags, I’d say the Lions gave other taggable players now.
Tom Stewart yes. Daniel Rich no way,don't trust him to continue.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on April 10, 2019, 04:06:18 PM
Have been looking at both and would go Stewart before Rich.  Rich has always been the target for tagging because of his left boot even over other players. With the influence he has had so far this season maybe teams will put some work into him.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: PowerBug on April 10, 2019, 05:09:23 PM
Tuohy’s return is what scares me off Stewart. If Zach takes the kick ins that is trouble for tom. I assume Rich is on kick ins and if so he’d be holding onto them. Rich attracted a tag when he played on a wing, isn’t he more half back now? I haven’t watched any Brisbane this year
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: tkringle on April 10, 2019, 07:18:23 PM
Tuohy’s return is what scares me off Stewart. If Zach takes the kick ins that is trouble for tom.

This. Would want to see how Stewart goes with Tuohy playing
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Wanderer on April 10, 2019, 07:22:16 PM
Will McVeigh being out for a few weeks give more chance for Mills to post higher scores or will Lloyd be the biggest beneficiary?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: sammy123 on April 10, 2019, 07:56:47 PM
Will McVeigh being out for a few weeks give more chance for Mills to post higher scores or will Lloyd be the biggest beneficiary?

Llyod i reckon. May even take all the kick ins or most
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Wanderer on April 10, 2019, 09:19:10 PM
Will McVeigh being out for a few weeks give more chance for Mills to post higher scores or will Lloyd be the biggest beneficiary?

Llyod i reckon. May even take all the kick ins or most

Lloyd looking like a good VC option then
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on April 10, 2019, 09:23:55 PM
I’m surprised at the lack of discussion on Tom Stewart and Daniel Rich. Is everyone just assuming they won’t be near the top this year and it’s just a hot run? Rich obviously has form as a bit of a burn man but that was when he copped tags, I’d say the Lions gave other taggable players now.

Stewart is one I have been looking at and I think I mentioned him a few pages back. The only issue with Stewart is he has the same bye as Lloyd, Crisp/Moore/Howe, Hurn, Andrews/Witherden and there are a bunch of popular forwards with the same bye week as well. It's probably one thing that had me hesitant in grabbing him last week.

Rich will burn people with a 30 soon enough. He has been a perennial cock tease with his scoring and slapped you in the face with it come 6 rounds in.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HappyDEZ on April 10, 2019, 10:21:52 PM
I’m surprised at the lack of discussion on Tom Stewart and Daniel Rich. Is everyone just assuming they won’t be near the top this year and it’s just a hot run? Rich obviously has form as a bit of a burn man but that was when he copped tags, I’d say the Lions gave other taggable players now.

Stewart is one I have been looking at and I think I mentioned him a few pages back. The only issue with Stewart is he has the same bye as Lloyd, Crisp/Moore/Howe, Hurn, Andrews/Witherden and there are a bunch of popular forwards with the same bye week as well. It's probably one thing that had me hesitant in grabbing him last week.

Rich will burn people with a 30 soon enough. He has been a perennial cock tease with his scoring and slapped you in the face with it come 6 rounds in.
I think Rich & Stewart are both great footy players. Stewart in the legendary Enright #44 too. Enright was a Port boy ouch!!! & Harley on our list too. Ah well. We got one flag. Bring on the next!!!
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: imjusflexin on April 22, 2019, 08:18:11 PM
What the hell do I do with Harris Andrews. Only have 13k in the bank.

#1 option rn seems to be Burgess to Baker and put Moore in the backline but that means I have 3 rookie forwards on field which is a disaster
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: sammy123 on April 22, 2019, 08:21:10 PM
Just downgrade elsewhere and use that cash to upgrade andrews. Only person in his price range i would consider is crisp or withers
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: imjusflexin on April 22, 2019, 08:27:16 PM
Just downgrade elsewhere and use that cash to upgrade andrews. Only person in his price range i would consider is crisp or withers
Downgrade who tho? My only ripe cows are defenders of which there are no bubble boys.

Don't wanna waste two trades going Parker --> Baker & turning Andrews into someone average like Witherden.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: chemical-m on April 22, 2019, 08:29:45 PM
Just downgrade elsewhere and use that cash to upgrade andrews. Only person in his price range i would consider is crisp or withers
Downgrade who tho? My only ripe cows are defenders of which there are no bubble boys.

Don't wanna waste two trades going Parker --> Baker & turning Andrews into someone average like Witherden.

Can you not use DPP to get him in?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: imjusflexin on April 22, 2019, 08:32:12 PM
Just downgrade elsewhere and use that cash to upgrade andrews. Only person in his price range i would consider is crisp or withers
Downgrade who tho? My only ripe cows are defenders of which there are no bubble boys.

Don't wanna waste two trades going Parker --> Baker & turning Andrews into someone average like Witherden.

Can you not use DPP to get him in?
To get who in where?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: chemical-m on April 22, 2019, 08:41:37 PM
Just downgrade elsewhere and use that cash to upgrade andrews. Only person in his price range i would consider is crisp or withers
Downgrade who tho? My only ripe cows are defenders of which there are no bubble boys.

Don't wanna waste two trades going Parker --> Baker & turning Andrews into someone average like Witherden.

Can you not use DPP to get him in?
To get who in where?

Could you trade Andrews and one of your ripe defenders to Baker and a prem defender by moving Moore or burgess from forwardline to the backline?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: imjusflexin on April 22, 2019, 08:48:49 PM
Just downgrade elsewhere and use that cash to upgrade andrews. Only person in his price range i would consider is crisp or withers
Downgrade who tho? My only ripe cows are defenders of which there are no bubble boys.

Don't wanna waste two trades going Parker --> Baker & turning Andrews into someone average like Witherden.

Can you not use DPP to get him in?
To get who in where?

Could you trade Andrews and one of your ripe defenders to Baker and a prem defender by moving Moore or burgess from forwardline to the backline?

but that means I have 3 rookie forwards on field which is a disaster
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on April 22, 2019, 11:00:32 PM
Just downgrade elsewhere and use that cash to upgrade andrews. Only person in his price range i would consider is crisp or withers
Downgrade who tho? My only ripe cows are defenders of which there are no bubble boys.

Don't wanna waste two trades going Parker --> Baker & turning Andrews into someone average like Witherden.

Can you not use DPP to get him in?
To get who in where?

Could you trade Andrews and one of your ripe defenders to Baker and a prem defender by moving Moore or burgess from forwardline to the backline?

but that means I have 3 rookie forwards on field which is a disaster
andrews to marshall, kelly in fwds via dpp.   
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: imjusflexin on April 23, 2019, 10:15:02 AM
Just downgrade elsewhere and use that cash to upgrade andrews. Only person in his price range i would consider is crisp or withers
Downgrade who tho? My only ripe cows are defenders of which there are no bubble boys.

Don't wanna waste two trades going Parker --> Baker & turning Andrews into someone average like Witherden.

Can you not use DPP to get him in?
To get who in where?

Could you trade Andrews and one of your ripe defenders to Baker and a prem defender by moving Moore or burgess from forwardline to the backline?

but that means I have 3 rookie forwards on field which is a disaster
andrews to marshall, kelly in fwds via dpp.
Already got Kelly, don't want Marshall... pray Lockhart gets named
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on April 23, 2019, 11:09:59 AM
This could be the week all the non-Lloyd holders have been waiting for (I hope anyway), BE is 137 & he scored a couple of 80s last year against GWS. Might be one of the rare times he dips below 600k so be prepared.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: tommy10 on April 23, 2019, 11:19:31 AM
This could be the week all the non-Lloyd holders have been waiting for (I hope anyway), BE is 137 & he scored a couple of 80s last year against GWS. Might be one of the rare times he dips below 600k so be prepared.
Fingers crossed that happens which allows me to upgrade Moore to him in a couple of weeks 'if' everything falls to plan.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on April 23, 2019, 11:36:34 AM
Just downgrade elsewhere and use that cash to upgrade andrews. Only person in his price range i would consider is crisp or withers
Downgrade who tho? My only ripe cows are defenders of which there are no bubble boys.

Don't wanna waste two trades going Parker --> Baker & turning Andrews into someone average like Witherden.

Can you not use DPP to get him in?
To get who in where?

Could you trade Andrews and one of your ripe defenders to Baker and a prem defender by moving Moore or burgess from forwardline to the backline?

but that means I have 3 rookie forwards on field which is a disaster
andrews to marshall, kelly in fwds via dpp.
Already got Kelly, don't want Marshall... pray Lockhart gets named
who are you looking at to finish your forwards.      Danger, Boak, Heeney the must haves the rest have potential issues,  missing games, change in role, lack of history,  burnman (billings).    SPS might go on with it.  Impressive game on the weekend and has the role and skills to score well if his consistency improves.   Of the list below for me it is Kelly, Billings,
Marshall, Worpel, SPS.    Realistically I think Billings is finally going to break out into a reliable m/f scorer around 100 points just the bstd gave me 3rd degree emotional burns last year and I am too tender to take him back on.   A la dusty a few years ago.

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Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HappyDEZ on April 23, 2019, 12:10:01 PM
Atm I have Danger, Billings & Boak. Looking to get in Telly & Heeney. I might still take a chance on Lobb/Hoff for a cheap F6 as ruck cover with a view to being F7/R3 in the long run. Want you want & what you get is another matter though. At least some rookies are getting moving. Should be 1st genuine upgrade next week. Yay! taken it's time.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: kilbluff1985 on April 23, 2019, 12:28:59 PM
Laird still a upgrade target for ppl?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: sammy123 on April 23, 2019, 12:31:43 PM
Laird still a upgrade target for ppl?

Could b good as a d6 option with a 90 average
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HappyDEZ on April 23, 2019, 12:32:52 PM
Laird still a upgrade target for ppl?
Always was/is for me. Milera injury & Lairds price just make it more so. Duurs/Scrim > Laird next week is the plan at this stage.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: chemical-m on April 23, 2019, 12:33:18 PM
Laird still a upgrade target for ppl?

I'll be interested to see how he goes without Milera, definitely on my radar.

With this week's trades I'll have Whitfield, Hurn, Crisp and Williams,

Looking at bringing in Lloyd and either Laird/Sicily to finish off my backline
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: tkringle on April 23, 2019, 04:05:18 PM
Laird still a upgrade target for ppl?

I'll be interested to see how he goes without Milera, definitely on my radar.

With this week's trades I'll have Whitfield, Hurn, Crisp and Williams,

Looking at bringing in Lloyd and either Laird/Sicily to finish off my backline

Just noticed Crisp is priced at $465K. Tempting
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on April 23, 2019, 04:12:30 PM
Laird still a upgrade target for ppl?
Always was/is for me. Milera injury & Lairds price just make it more so. Duurs/Scrim > Laird next week is the plan at this stage.
that's how I see it as well.   Milera out will see him add 20pts to his score next week.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on April 24, 2019, 08:56:26 PM
Any thoughts on Bringing in Houli as a defender. Expected to be around 420k 3 tonnes now in 4 games back.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: whynot102 on April 24, 2019, 08:58:47 PM
Has to be considered
Any thoughts on Bringing in Houli as a defender. Expected to be around 420k 3 tonnes now in 4 games back.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: js19 on April 24, 2019, 08:59:36 PM
Any thoughts on Bringing in Houli as a defender. Expected to be around 420k 3 tonnes now in 4 games back.

Has form, but can hit real lows...

Will be around $440k btw
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jfitty on April 24, 2019, 09:00:40 PM
Any thoughts on Bringing in Houli as a defender. Expected to be around 420k 3 tonnes now in 4 games back.

He's on my radar, just hard to know what to expect with Houli.

Putting aside his injury issues, he can be terribly inconsistent, but does have a massive ceiling. I'll probably pass, but well worth considering.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: js19 on April 24, 2019, 09:12:05 PM
Any thoughts on Bringing in Houli as a defender. Expected to be around 420k 3 tonnes now in 4 games back.

He's on my radar, just hard to know what to expect with Houli.

Putting aside his injury issues, he can be terribly inconsistent, but does have a massive ceiling. I'll probably pass, but well worth considering.

$440k, BE in the 30s. Next week would definitely be the time if you're game
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jbjimmyjb on April 24, 2019, 09:49:19 PM
Any thoughts on Bringing in Houli as a defender. Expected to be around 420k 3 tonnes now in 4 games back.

He's on my radar, just hard to know what to expect with Houli.

Putting aside his injury issues, he can be terribly inconsistent, but does have a massive ceiling. I'll probably pass, but well worth considering.

$440k, BE in the 30s. Next week would definitely be the time if you're game
Richmond loves giving it to him running off HB as he can actually use the ball unlike others (cough Prestia), but at the moment he is taking a lot of the ball that Short will get once he comes back (ie majority of kick-ins). So personally I'd stay away as when Short returns in 6 weeks or so he could drop off significantly.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LaHug on April 24, 2019, 10:30:52 PM
So did anyone get Bachar...?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on April 25, 2019, 01:44:03 AM
Nah. I held off on him because I don't think I can trust him to stay on the park. He also tends to string the huge scores for a month before going the other way. Leaning towards Sicily though. He does have the same issue with missing games
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: batt on April 25, 2019, 09:31:39 AM
So did anyone get Bachar...?
Yes.  Swayed because my only other defender was Ryan.  Just need him to be a solid D6.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: sammy123 on April 25, 2019, 04:41:01 PM
Crisp becoming a worry
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jfitty on April 25, 2019, 04:41:47 PM
Crisp becoming a worry

If he could hit a God damn target... Honestly.

Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on April 25, 2019, 04:42:33 PM
Crisp becoming a worry
Hundo last week, scoring for a nunber of players today was scaled up/down a fair bit late in the game due to how close it was
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on April 25, 2019, 04:42:48 PM
Crisp becoming a worry

Looks like more of a DT pick.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Locinator on April 25, 2019, 04:52:59 PM
I'm guessing Crisp was more ineffective than numbers say. A DE of 75% shouldn't mean your SC is 35 less than your DT right?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: PowerBug on April 25, 2019, 04:58:12 PM
I'm guessing Crisp was more ineffective than numbers say. A DE of 75% shouldn't mean your SC is 35 less than your DT right?
Generally speaking, no. Very low CP numbers, close game, lots of handballs would all be factors there.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: frenzy on April 25, 2019, 05:06:59 PM
according to CD, he had a similar game today with Hooker  :o Ohwell maybe next week.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Gigantor on April 25, 2019, 05:08:22 PM
I'm guessing Crisp was more ineffective than numbers say. A DE of 75% shouldn't mean your SC is 35 less than your DT right?

Had a lot of cheap little nothing handballs early that were getting him flower all SC points
But still feels like he was at least 10-15 points short
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: sammy123 on April 25, 2019, 06:01:51 PM
I swear he took an intercept mark or something near daniher. Kicked at least 25m's to a player and got 1 point
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Colty on April 29, 2019, 08:15:09 AM
Guys, got to look at Daniel Rich now, only one score under 97..... I know he’s never been consistent but seems to have benefited from the new kick out rule.
Who’s keen?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LaHug on April 29, 2019, 08:24:22 AM
Guys, got to look at Daniel Rich now, only one score under 97..... I know he’s never been consistent but seems to have benefited from the new kick out rule.
Who’s keen?

He's what we all though Witherden would be this year. As a Witherden owner, I'm incredibly bitter...
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: TommyC on April 29, 2019, 09:49:08 AM
Guys, got to look at Daniel Rich now, only one score under 97..... I know he’s never been consistent but seems to have benefited from the new kick out rule.
Who’s keen?

He's what we all though Witherden would be this year. As a Witherden owner, I'm incredibly bitter...
Yes, being a Witherden owner is annoying at the moment  :-\
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HappyDEZ on April 29, 2019, 11:24:26 AM
Guys, got to look at Daniel Rich now, only one score under 97..... I know he’s never been consistent but seems to have benefited from the new kick out rule.
Who’s keen?

He's what we all though Witherden would be this year. As a Witherden owner, I'm incredibly bitter...
Yes, being a Witherden owner is annoying at the moment  :-\
I thought Withers would benefit from the kick ins too but it has been mainly Rich taking the kick ins & grabbing them there points.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on April 29, 2019, 11:54:08 AM
Can nit say for certain and will watch a little more closely this week. It appears to me that Rich seems to be the target for the kick ins and there has not been a lot of playing on.
Seriously considering getting Rich this week especially with B/e of 66,
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on April 29, 2019, 12:06:25 PM
Can nit say for certain and will watch a little more closely this week. It appears to me that Rich seems to be the target for the kick ins and there has not been a lot of playing on.
Seriously considering getting Rich this week especially with B/e of 66,
He's also intercepting really well down back, I have no idea where this has come from hahaha, looks incredible though
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Colty on April 29, 2019, 12:49:45 PM
Can nit say for certain and will watch a little more closely this week. It appears to me that Rich seems to be the target for the kick ins and there has not been a lot of playing on.
Seriously considering getting Rich this week especially with B/e of 66,
He's also intercepting really well down back, I have no idea where this has come from hahaha, looks incredible though

With Brisbane going quite well and playing an exciting brand do you expect this form to continue? I liken him to Hurn a bit in that hes one of the main beneficiary of the kick out rule. The consistency is there which is exciting plus hes a massive POD.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on April 29, 2019, 12:53:55 PM
Can nit say for certain and will watch a little more closely this week. It appears to me that Rich seems to be the target for the kick ins and there has not been a lot of playing on.
Seriously considering getting Rich this week especially with B/e of 66,
He's also intercepting really well down back, I have no idea where this has come from hahaha, looks incredible though

With Brisbane going quite well and playing an exciting brand do you expect this form to continue? I liken him to Hurn a bit in that hes one of the main beneficiary of the kick out rule. The consistency is there which is exciting plus hes a massive POD.
I can definitely see him going at a 100avg for the year the way he's going. Providing he doesn't have a change in role, could be a fantastic pod.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: dmac07 on April 29, 2019, 01:31:39 PM
Can nit say for certain and will watch a little more closely this week. It appears to me that Rich seems to be the target for the kick ins and there has not been a lot of playing on.
Seriously considering getting Rich this week especially with B/e of 66,
He's also intercepting really well down back, I have no idea where this has come from hahaha, looks incredible though

With Brisbane going quite well and playing an exciting brand do you expect this form to continue? I liken him to Hurn a bit in that hes one of the main beneficiary of the kick out rule. The consistency is there which is exciting plus hes a massive POD.
I can definitely see him going at a 100avg for the year the way he's going. Providing he doesn't have a change in role, could be a fantastic pod.

Will he get a tag? He has always struggled with attention and the better he gets the more likely someone will get a stopping role on him. I'd be pretty wary of him.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HappyDEZ on April 29, 2019, 01:36:22 PM
Can nit say for certain and will watch a little more closely this week. It appears to me that Rich seems to be the target for the kick ins and there has not been a lot of playing on.
Seriously considering getting Rich this week especially with B/e of 66,
He's also intercepting really well down back, I have no idea where this has come from hahaha, looks incredible though

With Brisbane going quite well and playing an exciting brand do you expect this form to continue? I liken him to Hurn a bit in that hes one of the main beneficiary of the kick out rule. The consistency is there which is exciting plus hes a massive POD.
I can definitely see him going at a 100avg for the year the way he's going. Providing he doesn't have a change in role, could be a fantastic pod.

Will he get a tag? He has always struggled with attention and the better he gets the more likely someone will get a stopping role on him. I'd be pretty wary of him.
I thought the same dmac but you can't tag the kick in & that could be the 15+ ppg that makes him premo. Withers is still getting a few but from what I have seen Rich has been the go to kick in guy. SC is always somewhat of a mystery but I did notice Lloyd still got +3 for the play on kick in if it went outside the 50m arc even if it went to a spoiled contest.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Gigantor on April 29, 2019, 01:56:07 PM
Can nit say for certain and will watch a little more closely this week. It appears to me that Rich seems to be the target for the kick ins and there has not been a lot of playing on.
Seriously considering getting Rich this week especially with B/e of 66,
He's also intercepting really well down back, I have no idea where this has come from hahaha, looks incredible though

With Brisbane going quite well and playing an exciting brand do you expect this form to continue? I liken him to Hurn a bit in that hes one of the main beneficiary of the kick out rule. The consistency is there which is exciting plus hes a massive POD.
I can definitely see him going at a 100avg for the year the way he's going. Providing he doesn't have a change in role, could be a fantastic pod.

Will he get a tag? He has always struggled with attention and the better he gets the more likely someone will get a stopping role on him. I'd be pretty wary of him.
I thought the same dmac but you can't tag the kick in & that could be the 15+ ppg that makes him premo. Withers is still getting a few but from what I have seen Rich has been the go to kick in guy. SC is always somewhat of a mystery but I did notice Lloyd still got +3 for the play on kick in if it went outside the 50m arc even if it went to a spoiled contest.

I think it works on a long kick to a contest is counted as effective
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Colty on April 29, 2019, 02:16:35 PM
Rich at $480k is great value. Hes only scored 23 points less than Sicily whos nearly 100K more expensive.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LaHug on April 29, 2019, 02:28:35 PM
Question for everyone: Would you go Rich or Laird?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on April 29, 2019, 02:32:36 PM
Laird if I was high up and Rich if I was trying to catch up.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jvalles69 on April 29, 2019, 02:41:38 PM
Along with Rich, another 2 interesting POD's who are similarly priced, Tom Stewart and Brad Sheppard.

Rich, Stewart or Shepp?  ???
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Jimmykidd on April 29, 2019, 02:42:09 PM
I'm gonna bring rich in for scrimshaw this week. He's cheap, and unless something crazy happens he should average 95+ for the year. Of course we've seen this all before though..
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on April 29, 2019, 03:00:14 PM
Question for everyone: Would you go Rich or Laird?
I would go Laird with Milera injured
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jvalles69 on April 29, 2019, 03:24:11 PM
Along with Rich, another 2 interesting POD's who are similarly priced, Tom Stewart and Brad Sheppard.

Rich, Stewart or Shepp?  ???

Just noticed they all have the same showerty bye.  ::)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on April 29, 2019, 03:28:41 PM
Along with Rich, another 2 interesting POD's who are similarly priced, Tom Stewart and Brad Sheppard.

Rich, Stewart or Shepp?  ???

Just noticed they all have the same showerty bye.  ::)
Rich or Stewart, would lean slightly towards Rich with Tuohy back now.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on April 30, 2019, 12:48:10 AM
Along with Rich, another 2 interesting POD's who are similarly priced, Tom Stewart and Brad Sheppard.

Rich, Stewart or Shepp?  ???

Stewart would be in my team if his bye wasn't balls.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on April 30, 2019, 08:41:42 AM
Along with Rich, another 2 interesting POD's who are similarly priced, Tom Stewart and Brad Sheppard.

Rich, Stewart or Shepp?  ???

Stewart would be in my team if his bye wasn't balls.
All three worthy of consideration but with 7 prems already out with Rd 14 byes can not afford another.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LaHug on April 30, 2019, 03:25:34 PM
Does this make Laird less appealing? https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-04-30/classy-crow-making-good-progress-could-return-within-a-month
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Judd Magic on May 01, 2019, 02:35:44 PM
Does this make Laird less appealing? https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-04-30/classy-crow-making-good-progress-could-return-within-a-month

I'm going Sicily instead.




Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jfitty on May 01, 2019, 02:41:28 PM
Those sad few with Simpson, what are you doing?

I'm leaning towards holding..
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HappyDEZ on May 01, 2019, 02:44:34 PM
Does this make Laird less appealing? https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-04-30/classy-crow-making-good-progress-could-return-within-a-month

I'm going Sicily instead.
Sic has been great. Pity Hardwick I think it is (No. 15) is taking a fair few kick ins else Sic could be even better. This is where Hurn has an edge on Sic thus far. He is taking the vast majority at WCE. Jetta was floated as possibly taking his fair share but I havent seen him take bugger all to this point.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HappyDEZ on May 01, 2019, 02:51:12 PM
Just looking at the top 10 averaging defenders the kick in is having an effect. Not the be all & end all but kick in guys are right up there. Rich & Ryan 7 & 8 ahead of Laird at 9 for starters.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Gigantor on May 01, 2019, 02:52:46 PM
Does this make Laird less appealing? https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-04-30/classy-crow-making-good-progress-could-return-within-a-month

I'm going Sicily instead.
Sic has been great. Pity Hardwick I think it is (No. 15) is taking a fair few kick ins else Sic could be even better. This is where Hurn has an edge on Sic thus far. He is taking the vast majority at WCE. Jetta was floated as possibly taking his fair share but I havent seen him take bugger all to this point.

Jetta takes them when he can but Hurn is usually a bit deeper so hes the one closest to the square.
I'm not complaining as I started him :) Shame I also started Crisp  :'(
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HappyDEZ on May 01, 2019, 03:01:24 PM
Does this make Laird less appealing? https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-04-30/classy-crow-making-good-progress-could-return-within-a-month

I'm going Sicily instead.
Sic has been great. Pity Hardwick I think it is (No. 15) is taking a fair few kick ins else Sic could be even better. This is where Hurn has an edge on Sic thus far. He is taking the vast majority at WCE. Jetta was floated as possibly taking his fair share but I havent seen him take bugger all to this point.

Jetta takes them when he can but Hurn is usually a bit deeper so hes the one closest to the square.
I'm not complaining as I started him :) Shame I also started Crisp  :'(
Never a dull moment with Crisp so far. You would think he was a KPP looking at his numbers.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on May 01, 2019, 03:03:39 PM
Whats happening with Witherden? I thought he was set to be one of the big beneficiaries of kicking in?
It's definitely helped a lot of players but just wondering why not him? Is he not taking as many?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HappyDEZ on May 01, 2019, 03:06:34 PM
Whats happening with Witherden? I thought he was set to be one of the big beneficiaries of kicking in?
It's definitely helped a lot of players but just wondering why not him? Is he not taking as many?
Rich is taking most of them.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on May 01, 2019, 03:07:26 PM
Whats happening with Witherden? I thought he was set to be one of the big beneficiaries of kicking in?
It's definitely helped a lot of players but just wondering why not him? Is he not taking as many?
Rich is taking most of them.

Thought that might be the case. Cheers
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LaHug on May 01, 2019, 03:30:17 PM
Whats happening with Witherden? I thought he was set to be one of the big beneficiaries of kicking in?
It's definitely helped a lot of players but just wondering why not him? Is he not taking as many?
Rich is taking most of them.

Thought that might be the case. Cheers

I had both Witherden and Hurn preseason because of kick ins but decided to just keep one of them. I hate that Withers isn't taking the kick ins. Killing me!
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on May 01, 2019, 04:39:42 PM
Whats happening with Witherden? I thought he was set to be one of the big beneficiaries of kicking in?
It's definitely helped a lot of players but just wondering why not him? Is he not taking as many?
Rich is taking most of them.

Thought that might be the case. Cheers

I had both Witherden and Hurn preseason because of kick ins but decided to just keep one of them. I hate that Withers isn't taking the kick ins. Killing me!
My honest assesment on Witherden is he appears to be a couple of yards slower this year, his disposal effeciency is down once he had a very accurate boot but he is turning ball over quire a lot. From observations at home Witherden is taking more kick ins than Rich so that is not the reason in my opinion. If you look at his stats he is averaging more kicks this tear as well to confirm D/e is the issue. Could be delayed 2nd year Blues only 8 games plated in 2017.
A number of Lions supporters are calling for him to be dropped when Bailey comes back and play both Bailey and Answerth
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Big-Fella on May 01, 2019, 06:36:30 PM
In a Draft league. Who presents more value?

Heath Shaw, Dale Thomas or Pearce Hanley?

Thanks!
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on May 01, 2019, 07:33:41 PM
Daisy will probably give you an 85 average for the year. With Newman and Simmo out those numbers could also go up as he will take all the kick ins
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: tor01doc on May 01, 2019, 07:39:31 PM
Those sad few with Simpson, what are you doing?

I'm leaning towards holding..

‘Sad few’ yep

Houli on my radar
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jfitty on May 01, 2019, 08:20:43 PM
Those sad few with Simpson, what are you doing?

I'm leaning towards holding..

‘Sad few’ yep

Houli on my radar

Totally overlooked Houli.. tempting
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on May 02, 2019, 04:21:07 PM
Daniel Rich has taken 26 kick outs this season and only played on 12 times, so that can't be the reason for his increased scoring

That stat, coupled with his history makes me think he won't keep this up and if anything he's wait and see still for me
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: GoLions on May 02, 2019, 04:26:07 PM
Daniel Rich has taken 26 kick outs this season and only played on 12 times, so that can't be the reason for his increased scoring

That stat, coupled with his history makes me think he won't keep this up and if anything he's wait and see still for me
That's 40% of total kick-ins though i think, so a decent chunk. You got Withergoats numbers?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on May 02, 2019, 04:38:21 PM
Daniel Rich has taken 26 kick outs this season and only played on 12 times, so that can't be the reason for his increased scoring

That stat, coupled with his history makes me think he won't keep this up and if anything he's wait and see still for me
That's 40% of total kick-ins though i think, so a decent chunk. You got Withergoats numbers?

It's a decent %, but 12 extra kicks for the year which is 2 per game isn't the reason his average has jumped up from 79 to 103

Witherden 24 kick outs and played on 21 times

Those two alone are a good comparison and probably show that the kick outs aren't really having much of an impact on either them score wise
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on May 02, 2019, 04:40:54 PM
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Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on May 02, 2019, 04:47:52 PM
^ this just shows how much of a must have Hurn has become. Miles ahead of everyone. That's just free points every week
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HappyDEZ on May 02, 2019, 05:12:05 PM
Cheers RD. Much appreciated.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HappyDEZ on May 02, 2019, 05:18:06 PM
Surprised by Stewart. Not so surprised by Hardwick.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jfitty on May 02, 2019, 07:57:33 PM
Thoughts on zak jones

Doesn't seem to be scoring as high as I thought, especially since he's played quite a bit of midfield.

On the watchlist, but wouldn't be jumping on just yet.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: tor01doc on May 02, 2019, 08:38:33 PM
Whitfield
Simpson
Clark

Got the trifecta

Hmmmm

Houli and no emergencies?

Simpsgone and hold the other two
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on May 02, 2019, 08:39:45 PM
Whitfield
Simpson
Clark

Got the trifecta

Hmmmm

Houli and no emergencies?

Simpsgone and hold the other two

Clark is playing - Scott has confirmed it
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: tor01doc on May 02, 2019, 08:49:53 PM
Whitfield
Simpson
Clark

Got the trifecta

Hmmmm

Houli and no emergencies?

Simpsgone and hold the other two

Clark is playing - Scott has confirmed it

Pisser

So ignore the orange exclamation mark, save a trade and Lou Pole à Port rookie.

Things are looking up hey RD?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: miffysp on May 02, 2019, 08:53:06 PM
Anyone actually considering houli?
I didn't see last week's game. Would be very interesting to know how many kick ins he took.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: tor01doc on May 02, 2019, 08:53:49 PM
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Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bones Bombers on May 02, 2019, 08:55:50 PM
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XD?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: tor01doc on May 02, 2019, 08:58:20 PM
I am looking at Houli

BE only 43
Price only $442K
High average - really good actually - small sample size I know
Price will rise and has a very high ceiling
Richmond are looking gg g gggg g good - flower that is hard to say

Other options - apart from ZacWill have high BE or don’t interest me
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: miffysp on May 02, 2019, 09:00:18 PM
Same. His a risk worth taking I think.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: tor01doc on May 02, 2019, 09:00:38 PM
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XD?

Loop holing him
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bones Bombers on May 02, 2019, 09:44:00 PM
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XD?

Loop holing him
;)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: tkringle on May 02, 2019, 09:58:52 PM
I am looking at Houli

BE only 43
Price only $442K
High average - really good actually - small sample size I know
Price will rise and has a very high ceiling
Richmond are looking gg g gggg g good - flower that is hard to say

Other options - apart from ZacWill have high BE or don’t interest me

I’m staying well clear of him. Has gone on high scoring runs like this many times over the years and then lots of low scores to follow
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: no eye deer on May 02, 2019, 10:06:45 PM
I am looking at Houli

BE only 43
Price only $442K
High average - really good actually - small sample size I know
Price will rise and has a very high ceiling
Richmond are looking gg g gggg g good - flower that is hard to say

Other options - apart from ZacWill have high BE or don’t interest me

I’m staying well clear of him. Has gone on high scoring runs like this many times over the years and then lots of low scores to follow

This. A burn man that no one has mentioned as a burn man.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HappyDEZ on May 02, 2019, 10:27:23 PM
I am looking at Houli

BE only 43
Price only $442K
High average - really good actually - small sample size I know
Price will rise and has a very high ceiling
Richmond are looking gg g gggg g good - flower that is hard to say

Other options - apart from ZacWill have high BE or don’t interest me

I’m staying well clear of him. Has gone on high scoring runs like this many times over the years and then lots of low scores to follow

This. A burn man that no one has mentioned as a burn man.
Yep. A soon to be 31 year old with recent groin/hamstring issues. AF only for mine.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RoughRed on May 02, 2019, 10:43:53 PM
I am looking at Houli

BE only 43
Price only $442K
High average - really good actually - small sample size I know
Price will rise and has a very high ceiling
Richmond are looking gg g gggg g good - flower that is hard to say

Other options - apart from ZacWill have high BE or don’t interest me

I’m staying well clear of him. Has gone on high scoring runs like this many times over the years and then lots of low scores to follow

This. A burn man that no one has mentioned as a burn man.
Yep. A soon to be 31 year old with recent groin/hamstring issues. AF only for mine.
Just need  7 games from him ! consecutive games :)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: PowerBug on May 03, 2019, 12:59:57 PM
Daniel Rich has taken 26 kick outs this season and only played on 12 times, so that can't be the reason for his increased scoring

That stat, coupled with his history makes me think he won't keep this up and if anything he's wait and see still for me
Imagine if he played on more ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: TommyC on May 06, 2019, 09:30:57 AM
Witherden owners,
What are we doing with him. He is losing money and Rich looks like the better Brisbane pick.
Are we going to keep and hope he can bounce back and perform how we thought he could?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LaHug on May 06, 2019, 10:19:50 AM
Witherden owners,
What are we doing with him. He is losing money and Rich looks like the better Brisbane pick.
Are we going to keep and hope he can bounce back and perform how we thought he could?

It depends on how many bigger fish you have to fry. I have Withers but also have Libba, B Crouch, Brayshaw, and still fielding two back rookies, one mid, one forward. So I'm kinda forced to hold and hope...
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: sammy123 on May 06, 2019, 10:22:57 AM
Witherden owners,
What are we doing with him. He is losing money and Rich looks like the better Brisbane pick.
Are we going to keep and hope he can bounce back and perform how we thought he could?

In my second team waiting until the byes
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HappyDEZ on May 06, 2019, 12:02:26 PM
Witherden owners,
What are we doing with him. He is losing money and Rich looks like the better Brisbane pick.
Are we going to keep and hope he can bounce back and perform how we thought he could?

It depends on how many bigger fish you have to fry. I have Withers but also have Libba, B Crouch, Brayshaw, and still fielding two back rookies, one mid, one forward. So I'm kinda forced to hold and hope...
Yep. Same with the forced to hold & hope. Especially Libba & Angus, who are the very definition of leaking cash atm. -$26K on the weekend for Libba & a BE of 142 this week. OUCH. Ditto Angus. C'mon fellas a couple of 90+'s on the weekend please!
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: enzedder on May 06, 2019, 08:14:00 PM
One Moore week.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: frenzy on May 06, 2019, 09:54:31 PM
One Moore week.

Lol, two please. Whitfield BE 205 this week
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on May 06, 2019, 09:59:25 PM
One Moore week.

Lol, two please. Whitfield BE 205 this week
how come all the coaches who didnt get him can now get him a 500k and I am bleeding for Gawn.   The game is so unfair.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on May 06, 2019, 10:22:56 PM
One Moore week.

Lol, two please. Whitfield BE 205 this week
how come all the coaches who didnt get him can now get him a 500k and I am bleeding for Gawn.   The game is so unfair.

We'll be lucky to get Whitfield for 20k less than his starting price so from that point of view it's no advantage at all

We are however lucky that we can actually get him now - defender over 600k are often very difficult to attain
 
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: James Pies on May 06, 2019, 10:34:24 PM
Anyone like Luke Ryan?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: frenzy on May 06, 2019, 10:50:28 PM
One Moore week.

Lol, two please. Whitfield BE 205 this week
how come all the coaches who didnt get him can now get him a 500k and I am bleeding for Gawn.   The game is so unfair.

We'll be lucky to get Whitfield for 20k less than his starting price so from that point of view it's no advantage at all

We are however lucky that we can actually get him now - defender over 600k are often very difficult to attain

^ this. Was a mistake not to start him, so it's a mini bonus to be able to pick him up rnd 9 at his original starting price.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: enzedder on May 07, 2019, 05:41:27 AM
Anyone like Luke Ryan?
I do. I’m annoyed he went big again as his last big score was rolling out.
My plan is to get Hurn next week and Ryan whenever which will finish my defence: Lloyd, Whitfield, Laird, Hurn, Ryan, Williams
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: James Pies on May 07, 2019, 08:19:34 AM
Anyone like Luke Ryan?
I do. I’m annoyed he went big again as his last big score was rolling out.
My plan is to get Hurn next week and Ryan whenever which will finish my defence: Lloyd, Whitfield, Laird, Hurn, Ryan, Williams

My current defence is: Whitfield Laird Williams Smith Hore Duursma

I feel like i should probably get Lloyd first and i guess smith could be considered a keeper?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: sammy123 on May 07, 2019, 10:08:44 AM
With adams out might open up crisp more now
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jfitty on May 07, 2019, 10:10:19 AM
With adams out might open up crisp more now

Crisp just needs to remember to kick to the ones in black and white :P
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: enzedder on May 07, 2019, 03:22:36 PM
Anyone like Luke Ryan?
I do. I’m annoyed he went big again as his last big score was rolling out.
My plan is to get Hurn next week and Ryan whenever which will finish my defence: Lloyd, Whitfield, Laird, Hurn, Ryan, Williams

My current defence is: Whitfield Laird Williams Smith Hore Duursma

I feel like i should probably get Lloyd first and i guess smith could be considered a keeper?
There's only 40k between Lloyd and Ryan and Lloyd currently is and will most likely stay as the #1 defender. If you can get Lloyd do it. As for Smith, he's currently the tenth best defender on total points and averaging 93... good enough to keep on that. Maybe you could upgrade him if trades allow it towards the end of the year or if his scores drop off, but right now I wouldn't worry about it.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on May 07, 2019, 10:36:17 PM
Anyone like Luke Ryan?
I do. I’m annoyed he went big again as his last big score was rolling out.
My plan is to get Hurn next week and Ryan whenever which will finish my defence: Lloyd, Whitfield, Laird, Hurn, Ryan, Williams
ryan, hurn, sicily my preferences  also rich.     have lloyd, whitfield, williams, crisp, b smith at the moment.  so whoever has lowest price and fits my byes when i am ready to trade.   depends on rookies on bench.  if no depth in def rookies may prioritise def prem over mid upgrades
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on May 11, 2019, 11:29:39 AM
Lloyd delivers the 80 I have been patiently waiting for so for those who don't have him like myself, get the wallet out & be thankful he'll be under 550k in a fortnight. Could even drop to 530k with another sub 100 score next week.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Gigantor on May 11, 2019, 11:35:40 AM
Lloyd delivers the 80 I have been patiently waiting for so for those who don't have him like myself, get the wallet out & be thankful he'll be under 550k in a fortnight. Could even drop to 530k with another sub 100 score next week.

My only concern now is do I leave him until last and bring him in after rd13
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LaHug on May 11, 2019, 11:41:27 AM
Lloyd delivers the 80 I have been patiently waiting for so for those who don't have him like myself, get the wallet out & be thankful he'll be under 550k in a fortnight. Could even drop to 530k with another sub 100 score next week.

My only concern now is do I leave him until last and bring him in after rd13

I think I'll get one of him and Whitfield before the bye and the other after. But I'll probably end up just getting someone else because I'm impatient and need the yolo trades to comeback from the brink.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on May 11, 2019, 11:42:54 AM
Lloyd delivers the 80 I have been patiently waiting for so for those who don't have him like myself, get the wallet out & be thankful he'll be under 550k in a fortnight. Could even drop to 530k with another sub 100 score next week.
good reward for patience bully,  I got him three weeks ago avg 106 since then so paid overs for him but dumped burgess and have got additional 120 plus points over a d6 rookie.  so on that basis trade has been good for the team.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LaHug on May 13, 2019, 12:28:33 PM
Thoughts on Suckling? Looking at more PODs to either claw bank or sink masterfully. I still don't have Lloyd or Whitfield but have three def premium spots to fill (assuming Williams, Smith, Witherden are all good enough to be keepers). Probably need to save those spots for Lloyd, Whitfield, Hurn but don't see how matching who the best already have will help me catch up - it just stops the bleeding. I can afford anyone this week (or anyone but Hurn, depends on what trades I make). Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on May 15, 2019, 06:06:58 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/7wa4Akn.png)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Rusty00 on May 15, 2019, 07:08:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/7wa4Akn.png)
I noticed this when watching the game :(
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: PowerBug on May 16, 2019, 10:05:33 AM
Luke Brown was also the main kick in player last season.

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This was from back in January, those numbers being kick ins for the Crows. Obviously Smith missed a lot of the season but shows that Brown was the main man without him, looks like he might still be even with him
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: batt on May 16, 2019, 10:06:31 PM
Blakely will be an interesting one.  Will have one price movement before his bye.  One to watch.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RoughRed on May 16, 2019, 11:14:32 PM
Blakely will be an interesting one.  Will have one price movement before his bye.  One to watch.
Agreed. This guy is the next generation big Freo mid field player ...
It will be interesting to see the impact he makes on Fyfe and Mindy.
More protection for Fyfe
Mundy more forward
Freo backs are set IMO
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: SilverLion on May 17, 2019, 10:45:55 PM
Hurn is a must have.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on May 17, 2019, 10:52:48 PM
Hurn is a must have.

THE biggest beneficiary of the 6-6-6
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Thewizz71 on May 17, 2019, 10:53:43 PM
Hurn is a must have.
One of my starting pods that I got right.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: TommyC on May 17, 2019, 10:55:49 PM
Hurn is a must have.
One of my starting pods that I got right.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: js19 on May 17, 2019, 11:03:30 PM
Hurn is a must have.

THE biggest beneficiary of the 6-6-6

Will be over $590k next week, with a BE in the 60s I think... Getting tough to get him in, especially as my plan was to grab him after his bye  :-\

One of the guys the top ranked team has, and I'm missing, which hurts even more
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LaHug on May 17, 2019, 11:08:45 PM
Probably not the biggest screw up of my preseason (moving on Boak for Greene looks like the winner there) but choosing having both Witherden and Hurn and choosing to drop one of them for an extra mid premium in Brayshaw has killed me... Why did I think Brayshaw was any good and why did I choose Witherden as the one to keep?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RoughRed on May 17, 2019, 11:44:04 PM
Hurn is a must have.
One of my starting pods that I got right.
+1
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: TommyC on May 18, 2019, 11:28:06 AM
Probably not the biggest screw up of my preseason (moving on Boak for Greene looks like the winner there) but choosing having both Witherden and Hurn and choosing to drop one of them for an extra mid premium in Brayshaw has killed me... Why did I think Brayshaw was any good and why did I choose Witherden as the one to keep?
Can't believe I started him  :-\
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Rusty00 on May 19, 2019, 06:08:27 PM
Whitfield not going to drop as much cash as I hoped the way this match is going :-\
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: enzedder on May 19, 2019, 06:50:38 PM
Williams hammy. Hurn straight in.


Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: batt on May 19, 2019, 07:29:55 PM
Have been a little nervous about being able to fit in Lloyd.  But I've been put at ease seeing the upcoming draw.

Pies @ SCG, Cats @ Kardinia, Eagles @ SCG.

Hoping that 1 of those 3 games he goes sub 100 so he stays sub $600k after his bye, ready for picking.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Gandalf123 on May 19, 2019, 07:53:57 PM
Have been a little nervous about being able to fit in Lloyd.  But I've been put at ease seeing the upcoming draw.

Pies @ SCG, Cats @ Kardinia, Eagles @ SCG.

Hoping that 1 of those 3 games he goes sub 100 so he stays sub $600k after his bye, ready for picking.
I’d say there will be a fair few points scored against the swans in most of those games = lots of kick outs for lloydy
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on May 19, 2019, 07:59:24 PM
This is the week to get Lloyd in, just a question of who makes way.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Fid on May 19, 2019, 08:44:50 PM
Williams hammy. Hurn straight in.

Thinking of doing the same.  Also looking at Lachie Weller to complete my back six
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: fanTCfool on May 19, 2019, 08:54:42 PM
Williams hammy. Hurn straight in.
Also looking at Lachie Weller to complete my back six

Bold considering the other options ahead of him.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on May 20, 2019, 12:41:21 AM
Tom Stewart anyone? Has shown now that he scores just as well with Touhy in the side.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on May 20, 2019, 01:48:24 AM
Tom Stewart anyone? Has shown now that he scores just as well with Touhy in the side.

It's the bye....same as Lloyd and Hurn who I have ahead of him.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: _wato on May 20, 2019, 10:29:42 AM
Comes down to Lloyd v Whitfield for me this week. 

Thinking Whitfield at this stage. Better draw coming up is the only reason, also a higher ceiling.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: sammy123 on May 20, 2019, 10:40:00 AM
Tom Stewart anyone? Has shown now that he scores just as well with Touhy in the side.

It's the bye....same as Lloyd and Hurn who I have ahead of him.
Yep the bye is just a huge turnoff
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on May 20, 2019, 11:22:01 AM
figured the best way to solve my cash gen is have hurn get injured early in the game next week out 4 weeks over byes, rotham comes in, i am sorted
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on May 20, 2019, 12:05:56 PM
Cheap defender I am looking at as a POD is Conner Blakely. First game back for a decent score and will be a POD. He is one I would have started with if he was fit round 1
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on May 20, 2019, 02:13:43 PM
figured the best way to solve my cash gen is have hurn get injured early in the game next week out 4 weeks over byes, rotham comes in, i am sorted

Sounds like a bullet proof plan  ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on May 20, 2019, 02:18:44 PM
Tom Stewart anyone? Has shown now that he scores just as well with Touhy in the side.

It's the bye....same as Lloyd and Hurn who I have ahead of him.
Yep the bye is just a huge turnoff

If you have Lloyd and Hurn but I doubt many have both and I won't be getting Hurn anytime soon with his price. My current backline is Lloyd, Whitfield, Williams, Smith, Hore, Duursma so the bye isn't an issue will target Hurn after the bye
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: jfitty on May 20, 2019, 02:39:03 PM
I'm just chilling here with my backline "premiums" of Simpson, Crisp, Smith and Williams wishing someone could invent time travel :-\
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LaHug on May 20, 2019, 02:40:22 PM
I'm just chilling here with my backline "premiums" of Simpson, Crisp, Smith and Williams wishing someone could invent time travel :-\

I'm Smith, Williams, Witherden, Moore...
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on May 20, 2019, 02:57:13 PM
I'm just chilling here with my backline "premiums" of Simpson, Crisp, Smith and Williams wishing someone could invent time travel :-\

I'm Smith, Williams, Witherden, Moore...
I'm Lloyd, Ryan and Smith then 3 rookies out of Dursma, Hore, Wilkie, Collins or Answerth. Still hoping to rectify this week but need to watch byes so looking at Laird with Whitfield/Hurn after byes
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: no eye deer on May 20, 2019, 03:40:11 PM
Tom Stewart anyone? Has shown now that he scores just as well with Touhy in the side.

It's the bye....same as Lloyd and Hurn who I have ahead of him.
Yep the bye is just a huge turnoff

If you have Lloyd and Hurn but I doubt many have both and I won't be getting Hurn anytime soon with his price. My current backline is Lloyd, Whitfield, Williams, Smith, Hore, Duursma so the bye isn't an issue will target Hurn after the bye

Smith to Stewart for 53 grand is looking mighty tasty! I could do it in one trade but would be a bit of a luxury, as I still have Moore and Duursma on the field
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Sabretooth Tigers on May 20, 2019, 04:03:27 PM
Cheap defender I am looking at as a POD is Conner Blakely. First game back for a decent score and will be a POD. He is one I would have started with if he was fit round 1

In total agreement Mat. Gee I hope like all flower I don't jinx you mate.

 ;)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on May 20, 2019, 05:45:19 PM
I've got another week before price changes to monitor him so no rush
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Judd Magic on May 20, 2019, 07:27:42 PM
I'm thinking of going Moore > Hurn this week.

Backline would be - Hurn, Whitfield, Lloyd, Williams, Smith, Hore (Garner, Burgess)


Have thought about Stewart too but not sure if I should get him in before Hurn or not?

Hore will become Stewart if I go with Hurn this week.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: dmac07 on May 20, 2019, 08:02:14 PM
Moore to Lloyd this week will leave me with 1 upgrade left in defense. If Williams is out 1-2 I will hold, if it sounds like longer I'll re-assess

Hurn, Lloyd, Whitfield, Williams, Rich, Hore (Clark, Burgess)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on May 20, 2019, 11:08:09 PM
Moore to Lloyd this week will leave me with 1 upgrade left in defense. If Williams is out 1-2 I will hold, if it sounds like longer I'll re-assess

Hurn, Lloyd, Whitfield, Williams, Rich, Hore (Clark, Burgess)

So in other words if they say 1-2 then trade because it will be 3-4 lol
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on May 21, 2019, 11:03:00 AM
Think it's better to assume Williams will be out for 3 weeks, just as long as he's back for round 13, that round looks tricky.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: IntegralX on May 21, 2019, 11:37:48 AM
Now or never for Whitfield non-owners. He'll be back above 600k very soon.

I need to find a way to get Lloyd into my side but that r13 bye...I might have to wait until post-bye to do it.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LaHug on May 21, 2019, 11:51:53 AM
Which one would you get this week out of Lloyd, Whitfield, Hurn (ignoring byes for the sake of the question)?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: dylanclements on May 21, 2019, 11:54:11 AM
Which one would you get this week out of Lloyd, Whitfield, Hurn (ignoring byes for the sake of the question)?

I have Lloyd but face the same question between Whitfield and Hurn. Right now I'm thinking Hurn
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: crowls on May 21, 2019, 12:10:35 PM
the one that will increase the most if you dont grab them this week.   so go on BE and expected values.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on May 21, 2019, 12:30:16 PM
Which one would you get this week out of Lloyd, Whitfield, Hurn (ignoring byes for the sake of the question)?

I have Lloyd but face the same question between Whitfield and Hurn. Right now I'm thinking Hurn

Take out Whitfields injury affected game and he's averaging 128.8. He's above the others but you can't go wrong really
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: dylanclements on May 21, 2019, 02:04:01 PM
Take out Whitfields injury affected game and he's averaging 128.8. He's above the others but you can't go wrong really

Whitfield and Hurn very close imo. I was going to go without one of them but both appear to be musts. Maybe you're right that Whitfield is better. But Hurn BE in the 80s means it's almost now or never.

Say both get around 130 - Whitfield is 560k, Hurn 600k.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on May 21, 2019, 03:09:28 PM
Take out Whitfields injury affected game and he's averaging 128.8. He's above the others but you can't go wrong really

Whitfield and Hurn very close imo. I was going to go without one of them but both appear to be musts. Maybe you're right that Whitfield is better. But Hurn BE in the 80s means it's almost now or never.

Say both get around 130 - Whitfield is 560k, Hurn 600k.

I guess that's ok if you plan on getting Whitfield in the following week but he will be 600k+ again and unreachable very soon if you don't do it then. Basically whichever one you don't get you're stuck without for the short term atleast and I'd rather not be without Whitfield. Plus he's 30k cheaper as an added bonus
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: dylanclements on May 21, 2019, 04:31:34 PM
Take out Whitfields injury affected game and he's averaging 128.8. He's above the others but you can't go wrong really

Whitfield and Hurn very close imo. I was going to go without one of them but both appear to be musts. Maybe you're right that Whitfield is better. But Hurn BE in the 80s means it's almost now or never.

Say both get around 130 - Whitfield is 560k, Hurn 600k.

I guess that's ok if you plan on getting Whitfield in the following week but he will be 600k+ again and unreachable very soon if you don't do it then. Basically whichever one you don't get you're stuck without for the short term atleast and I'd rather not be without Whitfield. Plus he's 30k cheaper as an added bonus

Yep, good points actually. I'm seeing things differently because I've decided to move heaven and earth to get both in the next two weeks. For me Hurn now and Whitfield after just looks like the right order. But if you aren't going all out to get both in the short term, which lots won't be, Whitfield is probably a nose in front because of the price diff as you say
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: imjusflexin on May 21, 2019, 05:56:49 PM
I think you lot are massively overrating Hurn.

Obviously an SC gun and will be top-3 defender most likely but is nowhere near Whitfield and considering he is MORE expensive I wouldn't go near him for a while if you don't already have Whitfield or Lloyd. I'd even put Sicily above Hurn at the moment considering his price.

Hurn's scores this year before the outlier game this weekend:

108
89
109
139
121
119
99
107

Obviously great scores but not 600k worthy and not close to Whitfield, who as mentioned earlier is nearly averaging 130 a game minus his injury score.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: kilbluff1985 on May 21, 2019, 06:01:38 PM
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Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: imjusflexin on May 21, 2019, 06:06:12 PM
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Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: dylanclements on May 21, 2019, 06:18:03 PM
Obviously great scores but not 600k worthy and not close to Whitfield, who as mentioned earlier is nearly averaging 130 a game minus his injury score.

If he keeps it up that's 600k worthy - it's an average of 117!

And he's only 585k. What a steal  ;D
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: js19 on May 21, 2019, 06:20:57 PM
Obviously great scores but not 600k worthy and not close to Whitfield, who as mentioned earlier is nearly averaging 130 a game minus his injury score.

If he keeps it up that's 600k worthy - it's an average of 117!

And he's only 585k. What a steal  ;D

He’s priced pretty much right on his average. You get what you pay for...
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: imjusflexin on May 21, 2019, 06:21:28 PM
Obviously great scores but not 600k worthy and not close to Whitfield, who as mentioned earlier is nearly averaging 130 a game minus his injury score.

If he keeps it up that's 600k worthy - it's an average of 117!

And he's only 585k. What a steal  ;D
But if Whitfield averages anything like his output atm he will be worth far more than 600k.. and he's 30k cheaper! It's a no-brainer!
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: dylanclements on May 21, 2019, 06:29:07 PM
Obviously great scores but not 600k worthy and not close to Whitfield, who as mentioned earlier is nearly averaging 130 a game minus his injury score.

If he keeps it up that's 600k worthy - it's an average of 117!

And he's only 585k. What a steal  ;D
But if Whitfield averages anything like his output atm he will be worth far more than 600k.. and he's 30k cheaper! It's a no-brainer!

I reckon both are must haves. I'm getting both in the next two weeks. To be fair we just spoke about this above!
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Judd Magic on May 21, 2019, 06:56:53 PM
I am getting Hurn this week so I now have the holy trinity and can sleep peacefully at night.    ;D
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on May 21, 2019, 07:03:15 PM
I am getting Hurn this week so I now have the holy trinity and can sleep peacefully at night.    ;D

How's your round 13 bye situation?
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Judd Magic on May 21, 2019, 10:05:49 PM
I am getting Hurn this week so I now have the holy trinity and can sleep peacefully at night.    ;D

How's your round 13 bye situation?

I only have Hurn and Lloyd missing out of my backline.

I have Hore at D6 but he will be gone by then....
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on May 21, 2019, 10:10:38 PM
I am getting Hurn this week so I now have the holy trinity and can sleep peacefully at night.    ;D

How's your round 13 bye situation?

I only have Hurn and Lloyd missing out of my backline.

I have Hore at D6 but he will be gone by then....

Go for it, now's the time to get the best & Hurn looks set to deliver his best season yet.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: PowerBug on May 22, 2019, 09:59:12 AM
I got an idea, how about I put a poll there so we can get a qualitative answer as well :)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on May 22, 2019, 11:06:45 AM
With the 170 in the rolling average I think Whitfield is a must.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: js19 on May 22, 2019, 11:37:31 AM
With the 170 in the rolling average I think Whitfield is a must.

170, 161 and 141 in the rolling average for the top defenders... Talk about stuffing up many a bye trading plan!
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LaHug on May 22, 2019, 11:41:40 AM
With the 170 in the rolling average I think Whitfield is a must.

170, 161 and 141 in the rolling average for the top defenders... Talk about making it even more depressing to have none of these guys!
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on May 22, 2019, 12:26:00 PM
With the 170 in the rolling average I think Whitfield is a must.

170, 161 and 141 in the rolling average for the top defenders... Talk about stuffing up many a bye trading plan!
He has the Rd 14 bye so not as drastic if you can upgrade during Rd 13 and Rd 14.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: quinny88 on May 22, 2019, 01:13:10 PM
If Williams is out I'm trading him to Hurn. Not carrying anyone from GWS with "1 week" injury
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: oh_lol on May 24, 2019, 05:17:54 PM
Preferred DEF under $551.5k? Already have Laird.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on May 24, 2019, 05:19:00 PM
Preferred DEF under $551.5k? Already have Laird.

Sicily or Stewart
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on May 24, 2019, 09:01:24 PM
Very unlikely Lloyd performance tonight

18 touches at the half but just 44 SC :(
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: tkringle on May 24, 2019, 09:10:46 PM
Very unlikely Lloyd performance tonight

18 touches at the half but just 44 SC :(

Have not seen him do much wrong either. Was surprised to see that score
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: LaHug on May 24, 2019, 09:15:27 PM
Very unlikely Lloyd performance tonight

18 touches at the half but just 44 SC :(

Have not seen him do much wrong either. Was surprised to see that score

It's because I traded him in and my season is cursed. Sorry.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Thewizz71 on May 24, 2019, 10:00:39 PM
Very unlikely Lloyd performance tonight

18 touches at the half but just 44 SC :(

Have not seen him do much wrong either. Was surprised to see that score

It's because I traded him in and my season is cursed. Sorry.

I thought it was me  ???
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: RaisyDaisy on May 24, 2019, 10:39:08 PM
Classic Lloyd in the 4th
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: tkringle on May 24, 2019, 10:41:17 PM
Classic Lloyd in the 4th

Standard 52 point Q4 for Lloyd. Feels better when you own him, that’s for sure!
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on May 24, 2019, 10:45:08 PM
Classic Lloyd in the 4th

Standard 52 point Q4 for Lloyd. Feels better when you own him, that’s for sure!
Just imagine what he would have scored if his D/e was up.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: tkringle on May 24, 2019, 10:51:45 PM
Classic Lloyd in the 4th

Standard 52 point Q4 for Lloyd. Feels better when you own him, that’s for sure!
Just imagine what he would have scored if his D/e was up.

Went at 83% DE. 7 turn overs though..
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: dmac07 on May 25, 2019, 01:40:55 AM
Classic Lloyd in the 4th

Standard 52 point Q4 for Lloyd. Feels better when you own him, that’s for sure!
Just imagine what he would have scored if his D/e was up.

Went at 83% DE. 7 turn overs though..

Inaccurate Collingwood helped. About 10 identical play on kickouts long to a pack down the right side of the ground stuffing the stats sheet.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ingram on May 26, 2019, 10:29:54 AM
If I was to trade Williams it was Houli I'd have gone. If he stays healthy the big 3 will quickly become the big 4.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on May 26, 2019, 10:33:31 AM
If I was to trade Williams it was Houli I'd have gone. If he stays healthy the big 3 will quickly become the big 4.

Houli in vintage form but he has a really awkward bye, think Sicily might be the value selection from here.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: justaverage on May 26, 2019, 12:01:37 PM
If I was to trade Williams it was Houli I'd have gone. If he stays healthy the big 3 will quickly become the big 4.

Houli in vintage form but he has a really awkward bye, think Sicily might be the value selection from here.

Brought him in last week because of his bye  8)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Bully on May 26, 2019, 12:02:58 PM
If I was to trade Williams it was Houli I'd have gone. If he stays healthy the big 3 will quickly become the big 4.

Houli in vintage form but he has a really awkward bye, think Sicily might be the value selection from here.

Brought him in last week because of his bye  8)

Nice, good pick.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ingram on May 26, 2019, 01:26:03 PM
 • Rd 8 vs Fremantle: 30 disposals, 10 marks, 6 rebounds. (113 fantasy)

 • Rd 9 vs Hawthorn: 35 disposals, 9 marks, 4 rebounds. (117 fantasy)

 • Rd 10 vs Essendon: 37 disposals, 6 marks, 10 rebounds. (140 fantasy)
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Mat0369 on May 26, 2019, 02:54:01 PM
After a slow start Whitfield is up to 78 with a lot of footy still left to play
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: HoleMeal on May 26, 2019, 06:06:02 PM
Lloyd, Whitfield, Hurn the BIG 3.

Ryan and Houli not far behind at all.

Stewart up there too but doesn't seem to have the same high ceiling as the others.
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: sammy123 on May 26, 2019, 09:59:46 PM
Lloyd, Whitfield, Hurn the BIG 3.

Ryan and Houli not far behind at all.

Stewart up there too but doesn't seem to have the same high ceiling as the others.

I reckon houli will drop off
Title: Re: 2019 Defenders
Post by: Ringo on May 27, 2019, 09:15:35 AM