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Title: Top 5 forwards
Post by: meow meow on December 27, 2019, 02:32:30 PM
Who will they be? Why? What will they average?

Surely Whitfield #1. As long as he doesn't miss too many through injury he will be in the top group.

Then who?
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on December 27, 2019, 02:46:38 PM
Forward but if a raffle after whitfield Walters Martin.

Heeney probably lock for top 10.

Lots of roller coaster riders after that.

Watching Hugh greenwood in preseason to see how much midfield he will play as nicely priced with good mid exposure.

Feel like defense safer than forward so perhaps Dawson more a play forward but still a wait and see for me.

Jack Steven gotta be a big chance if he shows any signs of fitness and form.



Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: meow meow on December 27, 2019, 02:55:50 PM
I'd say Steven's ceiling is 95. He's 30 years old, needs to get fit, new team to adjust to that already has big dogs running the show, where he was the big dog at the saints. A couple of years ago he was averaging 103-104 and it's unlikely that he has back there.

Still, 95 should do nicely for F4-F6
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on December 27, 2019, 04:59:12 PM
I've had a close look at all the forward options, and I think it's fair to say that 90 is the benchmark this year

Whitfield, Dusty, Walters and Heeney are the only 4 high end prems I would consider, as they're capable of 95+ and I don't think there's many other fwds who can do that

Then I'd be looking at Buddy/Tmac/Steven/Dev as I am very confident those 4 will be able to match or go close enough to anyone else that's up there besides the 4 prems I mentioned,  and are bargain priced

Start 2-4 of Whit/Dusty/Walters/Heeney and 2-4 of Buddy/Tmac/Steven/Dev. Forget about the rest


Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: GoLions on December 27, 2019, 05:34:42 PM
Would chuck a sneaky fiddy on Stepho for top 10
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: LordSneeze on December 27, 2019, 06:24:45 PM
Lets say 90 is the passing mark and what you need to be looking for in your starters.

Right now id be saying
Whitfield, Martin, Heeney are the locks for a 90+
Walters, Ablett, Greene all have strong potential to be 90+ but have Injury, Age or Suspension risks in picking
Everything else after that is a raffle.
Thought for me is to start 2 of Whitfield, Martin & Heeney then 1 breakout option (Greenwood possibly) then a Mid price at M4 (Smith, Franklin Etc)

Whitfield - 3 years over 90, priced at 111, risk of overpaying if starting. Should be a lock for the top 6.
Walters - 1 Year over 90, Priced at 100, has only had 2 years playing all games in his career and only 1 good year of scoring. Might be top 6, but not a lock.
Martin - 8 years over 90 and 5 years over 100. This year is his lowest starting price since 2014, Should be a lock for top 6
Ablett - Has averaged over 90 in every year of supercoach. At 35 he isn't a lock for top 6, but if he is fit and playing you will be a brave man to say he wouldn't be.
Heeney - 3 straight years over 90 and should be able to again. Should be a lock for a 90+ average.
Greene - 5 years over 90, has been known to have brain snaps and while he should be solid for a 90 average, if you pick him and he does snap you lose out on the players who took the other options.
Cameron - 1 year over 90, no guarantee to be a top 6 and likely to drop off from last year.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: crowls on December 27, 2019, 07:26:53 PM
as usual great summary ls.    lot of risk/reward in fwds this year will make for an interesting year
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: meow meow on December 28, 2019, 03:17:32 PM
Darcy Parish to breakout as a full time mid.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Peter on December 28, 2019, 04:03:59 PM
Thoughts on Ceglar? Allegedly taking first ruck spot, 90 points average for a forward, DPP with Cameron?
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: meow meow on December 28, 2019, 07:01:05 PM
Why is everyone picking Whitfield?

Averaged over 100 for the first time this year, but he missed 6 matches in 2 patches. If you pay up for him and he gives the exact same output would you be happy with it? No. You'd cop rookie scores and have to burn trades.

Let's see a 21 match season at 110 then you'll be a no brainer. Until then you're overpriced! I'll be spending my money on more reliable guns in the midfield.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: meow meow on December 28, 2019, 07:07:26 PM
Thoughts on Ceglar? Allegedly taking first ruck spot, 90 points average for a forward, DPP with Cameron?

2 bad matches in a row and Big Boy is back in there. Big risk.

I can see the appeal of the DPP as one of GG is going to miss at some point but I don't think Ceglar will average 90 or be worthy of F6.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on December 29, 2019, 08:49:34 AM
Thoughts on Ceglar? Allegedly taking first ruck spot, 90 points average for a forward, DPP with Cameron?

2 bad matches in a row and Big Boy is back in there. Big risk.

I can see the appeal of the DPP as one of GG is going to miss at some point but I don't think Ceglar will average 90 or be worthy of F6.

There's no upside starting him

He needs to be a keeper at that price. I'll happily pay the extra 50k for him later on if it looks like he's R1 and constantly putting up good scores, but I doubt it's going to happen
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: coglan13 on December 29, 2019, 12:21:39 PM
Why is everyone picking Whitfield?

Averaged over 100 for the first time this year, but he missed 6 matches in 2 patches. If you pay up for him and he gives the exact same output would you be happy with it? No. You'd cop rookie scores and have to burn trades.

Let's see a 21 match season at 110 then you'll be a no brainer. Until then you're overpriced! I'll be spending my money on more reliable guns in the midfield.
Definitely overpriced but can you afford to not start him? Should be a definite top 6 forward barring injury. If he starts the season in form and you don't have him then you'll be playing catch up from day 1. Risky to not start him.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: LordSneeze on December 29, 2019, 03:23:40 PM
Why is everyone picking Whitfield?

Averaged over 100 for the first time this year, but he missed 6 matches in 2 patches. If you pay up for him and he gives the exact same output would you be happy with it? No. You'd cop rookie scores and have to burn trades.

Let's see a 21 match season at 110 then you'll be a no brainer. Until then you're overpriced! I'll be spending my money on more reliable guns in the midfield.
Definitely overpriced but can you afford to not start him? Should be a definite top 6 forward barring injury. If he starts the season in form and you don't have him then you'll be playing catch up from day 1. Risky to not start him.
Its not needed to start him, but you need atleast 2 top 6 to start otherwise your playing catchup. He is likely to be number 1 fwd so a safe pick.

Personally im not starting him at this point as going Grundy and Gawn the extra $ is needed.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Mat0369 on December 29, 2019, 06:08:35 PM
I've had a close look at all the forward options, and I think it's fair to say that 90 is the benchmark this year

Whitfield, Dusty, Walters and Heeney are the only 4 high end prems I would consider, as they're capable of 95+ and I don't think there's many other fwds who can do that

Then I'd be looking at Buddy/Tmac/Steven/Dev as I am very confident those 4 will be able to match or go close enough to anyone else that's up there besides the 4 prems I mentioned,  and are bargain priced

Start 2-4 of Whit/Dusty/Walters/Heeney and 2-4 of Buddy/Tmac/Steven/Dev. Forget about the rest

Swap T-Mac with Acres. I see him going 85 at worst on the wing.

The one that would take the big balls to start but could win you the whole thing is Greene. He tore the back end of the season to shreds but also played a lot through the middle due to injuries.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: meow meow on December 29, 2019, 06:29:48 PM
Not much love for JZ. Surely as good a chance as any to average 95+
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Fid on December 29, 2019, 06:39:49 PM
I've had a close look at all the forward options, and I think it's fair to say that 90 is the benchmark this year

Whitfield, Dusty, Walters and Heeney are the only 4 high end prems I would consider, as they're capable of 95+ and I don't think there's many other fwds who can do that

Then I'd be looking at Buddy/Tmac/Steven/Dev as I am very confident those 4 will be able to match or go close enough to anyone else that's up there besides the 4 prems I mentioned,  and are bargain priced

Start 2-4 of Whit/Dusty/Walters/Heeney and 2-4 of Buddy/Tmac/Steven/Dev. Forget about the rest

Any love for Stephen Hill?  I have him down back but still?
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Mat0369 on December 29, 2019, 07:12:01 PM
Isn't Hill sub 200k? I'll probably go lighter down back and slot him in at D5/D6
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on December 29, 2019, 09:47:16 PM
I've had a close look at all the forward options, and I think it's fair to say that 90 is the benchmark this year

Whitfield, Dusty, Walters and Heeney are the only 4 high end prems I would consider, as they're capable of 95+ and I don't think there's many other fwds who can do that

Then I'd be looking at Buddy/Tmac/Steven/Dev as I am very confident those 4 will be able to match or go close enough to anyone else that's up there besides the 4 prems I mentioned,  and are bargain priced

Start 2-4 of Whit/Dusty/Walters/Heeney and 2-4 of Buddy/Tmac/Steven/Dev. Forget about the rest

Any love for Stephen Hill?  I have him down back but still?

Yeah I didn't even mention him because he's basically a rookie at that price. No brainer if he plays R1

Not much love for JZ. Surely as good a chance as any to average 95+

He went 95 once, 7 years ago

The 8 guys I mentioned are literally the only 8 forwards I am considering

JZ, Cameron etc are not good picks at their price, and GAJ/Greene etc have injury/suspension risks

I had Walters in my 8 but that was just because he went 100 - reality is the other 7 are the only 7 fwds I'm really considering
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: SilverLion on January 04, 2020, 06:25:52 PM
Lock in Martin and Whitfield. Then go one or two of Dev/Steven/Franklin and rookies.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: meow meow on January 06, 2020, 07:12:46 PM

Not much love for JZ. Surely as good a chance as any to average 95+

He went 95 once, 7 years ago

JZ had the 8th best average, but was the 6th best forward last year out of all the 2020 listed forwards when you factor in games missed.

He played 22 at 90.9.

Toby and Jezza averaged more but missed games so there's either burnt trades or replacement scores (probably from rookies unless you had an extra premo to cover).

Average of 94.3 post bye. Shaw knows where to play him.

Shouldn't dismiss so soon.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: meow meow on January 06, 2020, 07:18:16 PM
Terrible first 5 rounds at 71.5 then went at 96.6 for the remainder of the year.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 06, 2020, 09:56:00 PM
Pay full price for JZ when the likes of Bud, Tmac, Steven and Dev are a truck load cheaper

No thanks
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Holz on January 07, 2020, 02:22:24 PM
Pay full price for JZ when the likes of Bud, Tmac, Steven and Dev are a truck load cheaper

No thanks

while im not picking him all 4 of those guys have reasons they are priced below JZ. He has gone back to back 22 game seasons and when in role he easily goes 90+

id rather go Greene though at that price point even though he is a little injury prone.

JZ is likely just going to be a ok solid pick unless he is played FF alot which i dont think he will.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 07, 2020, 05:08:19 PM
JZ should go 90ish, I'm not saying he's a bad pick per se, but at his price surely the likes of Dusty and Heeney are much better picks, and I have to assume nobody is starting 4 full priced fwds so JZ isn't a starting option for that reason
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: coglan13 on January 08, 2020, 12:09:46 PM
Buddy just had knee surgery. Might still make round 1 but I'm crossing him off my list as a starter.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: jvalles69 on January 08, 2020, 12:14:15 PM
Buddy just had knee surgery. Might still make round 1 but I'm crossing him off my list as a starter.

Annoying for those who had crossed him off already.  ::)
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: duffercoat on January 14, 2020, 01:49:41 PM
Anyone looked at Brad Ebert?

Averaged 100 pre-concussion and then was a shell of himself after he came back.

Priced at 76 (416k) makes him a reasonable mid-price forward.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Peter on January 14, 2020, 05:54:28 PM
No one at Port  is SC relevant
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 15, 2020, 12:44:42 AM
No one at Port  is SC relevant

Houston/DBJ are legit options for DEF, but I don't think I'd be looking at any forwards

I'm sure Robbie Gray will do something to tempt me at some stage  :-X
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Southstorm on January 22, 2020, 10:01:06 PM
One I'm most unsure about is Whitfield. His body is seemingly made of play-doh, he's susceptible to the tag and he's starting at a high watermark of $600k but his scoring potential is huge and as such if he gets a run at it, there's a chance he won't be any cheaper at the bye rounds.

I know I'm going to finish the season with him in my team, question is start with him or without him.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: IntegralX on January 22, 2020, 10:46:57 PM
Looking at the forwards this year and my only reaction is "thanks I hate it"

Whitfield, Dusty and Greene were the only premos I was seriously considering; the first 2 are a near certainty to finish 1-2 so decision made I guess.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Hoggyz_a_legend on January 23, 2020, 07:47:48 AM
One I'm most unsure about is Whitfield. His body is seemingly made of play-doh, he's susceptible to the tag and he's starting at a high watermark of $600k but his scoring potential is huge and as such if he gets a run at it, there's a chance he won't be any cheaper at the bye rounds.

I know I'm going to finish the season with him in my team, question is start with him or without him.

This is my exact thinking. Only reason I'm not starting Kelly is cos of his durability. Scoring is unquestionable, but body? Not so much.

Whitfield will be one of the top avging players, let alone fwds. But does he play 20+ games? Not so sure.

At the moment he's in, but he's not as locked as my mids and rucks.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Money Shot on January 24, 2020, 11:17:43 AM
1. Martin
2. Whitfield
3. Heeney
4. Steven
5. Greenwood

Parish another smokie.

My top 5 based on average this year.

Whitfield, Martin, Steven, Smith my starting lineup.

Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: crowls on January 24, 2020, 12:37:43 PM
1. Martin
2. Whitfield
3. Heeney
4. Steven
5. Greenwood

Parish another smokie.

My top 5 based on average this year.

Whitfield, Martin, Steven, Smith my starting lineup.
I agree MS, likely to be a few others bubble during the season, I had Parish for a large part of last year and expect to see him continue to develop consistency.  85 downside with 95 as upside.  IF I had the funds it would be martin, heeney, greenwood and steven to start and whitfield an early upgrade option. 
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: LordSneeze on January 24, 2020, 05:22:34 PM
1. Martin
2. Whitfield
3. Heeney
4. Steven
5. Greenwood

Parish another smokie.

My top 5 based on average this year.

Whitfield, Martin, Steven, Smith my starting lineup.
I agree MS, likely to be a few others bubble during the season, I had Parish for a large part of last year and expect to see him continue to develop consistency.  85 downside with 95 as upside.  IF I had the funds it would be martin, heeney, greenwood and steven to start and whitfield an early upgrade option.

That is my ideal starting 4 for the forward line. Not sure if there funds will be there for 3P + 1MP
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Woppa15 on January 25, 2020, 01:51:18 PM
Normally like to keep away from key forwards but anyone think another year for ‘The Rat’ and addition of Jenkins to Geelong could help Hawkins? Take some pressure off and also remove the predictability of being the only real inside 50 target?

Would be a risk.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on January 25, 2020, 07:36:22 PM
Laughing at the people with doubts on whitfield.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Peter on January 25, 2020, 08:20:27 PM
Agreed - talk about in same breath as GG
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Bones Bombers on January 25, 2020, 09:32:03 PM
It will all come down to the rookies. If there are enough forward rookies available and looking good I’ll start Cripps as my fifth mid. If not, I’ll start Whitfield and play an extra mid rookie.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: IntegralX on January 25, 2020, 11:54:48 PM
Everyone in this thread sleeping on Michael Walters. Given how weak the fwds are this year he should be a lock for top 5. I wouldn't start him though as he's fully priced.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Peter on January 26, 2020, 06:35:50 AM
Had him for ages, but changed him as he is “fully priced”
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on January 29, 2020, 11:03:43 PM
I've had a close look at all the forward options, and I think it's fair to say that 90 is the benchmark this year

Whitfield, Dusty, Walters and Heeney are the only 4 high end prems I would consider, as they're capable of 95+ and I don't think there's many other fwds who can do that

Then I'd be looking at Buddy/Tmac/Steven/Dev as I am very confident those 4 will be able to match or go close enough to anyone else that's up there besides the 4 prems I mentioned,  and are bargain priced

Start 2-4 of Whit/Dusty/Walters/Heeney and 2-4 of Buddy/Tmac/Steven/Dev. Forget about the rest

Swap T-Mac with Acres. I see him going 85 at worst on the wing.

The one that would take the big balls to start but could win you the whole thing is Greene. He tore the back end of the season to shreds but also played a lot through the middle due to injuries.

I’ll throw one more in and that’s big Tom Lynch. Someone I’m considering starting ahead of heeney/Walters if I can make the coin work and should be unique as.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: IntegralX on January 30, 2020, 11:48:44 PM
Steven getting a calf injury has put a line through him for me. I’ve got Smith for now, but I’m actually very keen to watch Acres at Freo. Should get 22 games on the opposite wing to Hill. 387k is a tad awkward but I like the upside.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: coglan13 on January 31, 2020, 07:50:49 AM
Reportedly only a 1 week injury for Steven. I wouldn't write him off just yet.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2020, 09:00:54 AM
Reportedly only a 1 week injury for Steven. I wouldn't write him off just yet.

Might just be the 1 week, but you hate hearing "calf" when it's an older player

A solid outing in the Marsh series would be nice
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Ringo on January 31, 2020, 09:24:17 AM
Reportedly only a 1 week injury for Steven. I wouldn't write him off just yet.

Might just be the 1 week, but you hate hearing "calf" when it's an older player

A solid outing in the Marsh series would be nice
Agree with RD here how many Calf injuries to older players have we seen grow out to weeks over the years. Will need to show something in Marsh Cup with fair amount on TOG to come back into my team.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: crowls on January 31, 2020, 08:15:52 PM
Calves,  the injury that keeps on giving.    unless he is full fitness for marsh will have to swap him out for dev,
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: oh_lol on February 09, 2020, 07:04:17 PM
Anyone like the look of Darcy? Had him sitting in my team for a bit.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: enzedder on February 13, 2020, 06:13:21 PM
Longmire reports yesterday stated Heeney is likely to spend considerable time fwd. Not that much of a surprise. Still be an okay pick. I wasn't planning on starting him anyway. Certainly not now.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: oh_lol on February 14, 2020, 03:43:12 PM
I would've thought he'd play more mid this year after Swans picked up Lewis Taylor and Sam Gray as well as their young players like Blakely stepping up.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 14, 2020, 04:29:58 PM
I would've thought he'd play more mid this year after Swans picked up Lewis Taylor and Sam Gray as well as their young players like Blakely stepping up.

Like Horse said he will still play fwd, and that's probably because he's their most dynamic forward outside of Bud. I wouldn't want to be relying on the likes of Gray and Taylor to kick enough goals

Nothing is really changing for Heeney

He'll continue to play mid and fwd, and that should see him averaging the same as of recent years

100+ once he becomes a full time mid imo, but for now I expect the same as usual from him

That said, I can't see him going up in price much - so can be an upgrade target
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: walloo44 on February 14, 2020, 05:35:48 PM
I would've thought he'd play more mid this year after Swans picked up Lewis Taylor and Sam Gray as well as their young players like Blakely stepping up.

Like Horse said he will still play fwd, and that's probably because he's their most dynamic forward outside of Bud. I wouldn't want to be relying on the likes of Gray and Taylor to kick enough goals

Nothing is really changing for Heeney

He'll continue to play mid and fwd, and that should see him averaging the same as of recent years

100+ once he becomes a full time mid imo, but for now I expect the same as usual from him

That said, I can't see him going up in price much - so can be an upgrade target

Good to see your finally off the Heeney boat. Absolutely no reason to start this man until his a full time mid (if ever). He’ll always be available later for a nice 50k discount!
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 14, 2020, 06:44:16 PM
Good to see your finally off the Heeney boat. Absolutely no reason to start this man until his a full time mid (if ever). He’ll always be available later for a nice 50k discount!

Not completely ruling out not starting him, but he was only my F3 because I just felt that my forward line looked too weak without a prem at F3, and he's literally the only 400k+ fwd I like other than Whitfield and Dusty so Heeney was there by default

Starting to look like a cheap F3 is feasible now, hence Heeney out
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 14, 2020, 11:05:53 PM
Is anyone else deliberately not bringing up someone else up forward? I have seen his name once in fan footy forums but just scrolled through every posted team and haven’t seen him selected?

I posted my team with jack Steven at f3 but I reckon there is someone else that’s a dead set lock for that spot in the 400k-500k range.

Fully expecting his name to be talked about soon so I won’t ruin the surprise.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: erich1036 on February 14, 2020, 11:16:05 PM
Is anyone else deliberately not bringing up someone else up forward? I have seen his name once in fan footy forums but just scrolled through every posted team and haven’t seen him selected?

I posted my team with jack Steven at f3 but I reckon there is someone else that’s a dead set lock for that spot in the 400k-500k range.

Fully expecting his name to be talked about soon so I won’t ruin the surprise.

Hmmm, Wingard?
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Grazz on February 14, 2020, 11:41:30 PM
Is anyone else deliberately not bringing up someone else up forward? I have seen his name once in fan footy forums but just scrolled through every posted team and haven’t seen him selected?

I posted my team with jack Steven at f3 but I reckon there is someone else that’s a dead set lock for that spot in the 400k-500k range.

Fully expecting his name to be talked about soon so I won’t ruin the surprise.

Greenwood.  8)
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: enzedder on February 15, 2020, 04:08:45 AM
Is anyone else deliberately not bringing up someone else up forward? I have seen his name once in fan footy forums but just scrolled through every posted team and haven’t seen him selected?

I posted my team with jack Steven at f3 but I reckon there is someone else that’s a dead set lock for that spot in the 400k-500k range.

Fully expecting his name to be talked about soon so I won’t ruin the surprise.

Greenwood.  8)
In my team
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 15, 2020, 06:46:52 AM
Greenwood isn't a surprise - everyone on Discord has talked about him ;)

Seems he's quite a popular option, but like many others in that price range I just don't see the need to start them as they're not exactly cheap - think I'd rather see how they go first then bring them in later if warranted - won't cost much more

I think he can go low 90's, so won't go up a heap in price and can look at him later

Other than Whitfield and Dusty, don't love any of the prem priced guys so will likely go cheap at F3 ala Dev etc
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 15, 2020, 09:17:21 AM
Greenwood isn't a surprise - everyone on Discord has talked about him ;)

Seems he's quite a popular option, but like many others in that price range I just don't see the need to start them as they're not exactly cheap - think I'd rather see how they go first then bring them in later if warranted - won't cost much more

I think he can go low 90's, so won't go up a heap in price and can look at him later

Other than Whitfield and Dusty, don't love any of the prem priced guys so will likely go cheap at F3 ala Dev etc

This is probably a fair argument even for the guy I’m think is a lock for our f3. I got dev still at f4.

For the record I am not being mysterious I just feel like other people must be for this bloke to literally only be mentioned once on fan footy in 2020
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 15, 2020, 09:30:33 AM
I've come to the conclusion that I just don't like the forward line premo's, so I've now decided to get DEF/MID/RUC sorted, and am going really light up forward

Dusty, Dev, Jones, Hill, Rookie, Rookie

Allows me to run GG in the ruck, 5 super premo mids with Rowell at M6 and 4 premo def with Roberton at D5

Whitfield could miss games, but more importantly I think that his average will drop with all their mids back in so he can be an upgrade target

The way I see it, with my defence, midfield and ruck all very solid, the first 5-6 trades of the season can be focused on the forward line - with 5-6 trades I should be able to milk a few rookies and turn both Jones and Hill into premo forwards. That leaves with me 24-25 trades, and only need 1-2 def prems, 3 mid prems and 2 fwd prems - certainly doable

Plus, it's something a little different - every year I take a similar approach and it works well with a high overall finish, and I could just do that again, but this will be fun trying something new, and I reckon it can work
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: shaker on February 15, 2020, 09:51:22 AM
I've come to the conclusion that I just don't like the forward line premo's, so I've now decided to get DEF/MID/RUC sorted, and am going really light up forward

Dusty, Dev, Jones, Hill, Rookie, Rookie

Allows me to run GG in the ruck, 5 super premo mids with Rowell at M6 and 4 premo def with Roberton at D5

Whitfield could miss games, but more importantly I think that his average will drop with all their mids back in so he can be an upgrade target

The way I see it, with my defence, midfield and ruck all very solid, the first 5-6 trades of the season can be focused on the forward line - with 5-6 trades I should be able to milk a few rookies and turn both Jones and Hill into premo forwards. That leaves with me 24-25 trades, and only need 1-2 def prems, 3 mid prems and 2 fwd prems - certainly doable

Plus, it's something a little different - every year I take a similar approach and it works well with a high overall finish, and I could just do that again, but this will be fun trying something new, and I reckon it can work
Which Jones ? Chayce or Harrison might be worth a try but until round 1 teams are announced it's all a bit of a guess for me it's the same every year see how much I have to spend filling rookie spots depending on who's named and then I can finalise the rest.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Grazz on February 15, 2020, 09:56:25 AM
Is anyone else deliberately not bringing up someone else up forward? I have seen his name once in fan footy forums but just scrolled through every posted team and haven’t seen him selected?

I posted my team with jack Steven at f3 but I reckon there is someone else that’s a dead set lock for that spot in the 400k-500k range.

Fully expecting his name to be talked about soon so I won’t ruin the surprise.

Greenwood.  8)
In my team

Trying to get him in but unable to at the minute without changing the team to drastically.
Like RD i'm going with a cheaper option at F3 which i'm kinda forced to do at the moment.
I'm not really feeling this team right now so big changes could still happen yet.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: GM on February 15, 2020, 10:55:44 AM
Chayce Jones and Townsend could well be good cheap options up forward.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 15, 2020, 06:36:21 PM
I've come to the conclusion that I just don't like the forward line premo's, so I've now decided to get DEF/MID/RUC sorted, and am going really light up forward

Dusty, Dev, Jones, Hill, Rookie, Rookie

Allows me to run GG in the ruck, 5 super premo mids with Rowell at M6 and 4 premo def with Roberton at D5

Whitfield could miss games, but more importantly I think that his average will drop with all their mids back in so he can be an upgrade target

The way I see it, with my defence, midfield and ruck all very solid, the first 5-6 trades of the season can be focused on the forward line - with 5-6 trades I should be able to milk a few rookies and turn both Jones and Hill into premo forwards. That leaves with me 24-25 trades, and only need 1-2 def prems, 3 mid prems and 2 fwd prems - certainly doable

Plus, it's something a little different - every year I take a similar approach and it works well with a high overall finish, and I could just do that again, but this will be fun trying something new, and I reckon it can work

I guarantee you will not start Jones at f3. He will never be a SuperCoach option for the entirety of his career.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Mat0369 on February 16, 2020, 02:05:02 AM
The Jones pick makes 0 sense. He is 270k so he is basically a mid price option.

Is anyone else deliberately not bringing up someone else up forward? I have seen his name once in fan footy forums but just scrolled through every posted team and haven’t seen him selected?

I posted my team with jack Steven at f3 but I reckon there is someone else that’s a dead set lock for that spot in the 400k-500k range.

Fully expecting his name to be talked about soon so I won’t ruin the surprise.

Of the 400k-500k guys that have probably been looked at, these are my thoughts. I think you're probably referring to Ceglar or Hawkins but I'd pass on both.

Ebert - He is what he is, always starts strong and then flops in the back end of the year.

Ceglar - Could be the number 1 ruck, but I feel whenever he has been picked it has been to shoulder the ruck load. Averaged 70's for his career which is what he is priced at

Jack Martin - Spoken about all the time as a possible break out contender and longer at the Suns could see it happen, I still think he is a perennial cocktease and probably going to disappoint with us as well. The Betts factor could be the real difference to actually see him reach his potential. A lot of the Indigenous boys seem to get their best with Eddie around.

Jack Gunston - Rehab group so pass

Westhoff - The burn is still strong with this one

Petracca - See Jack Martin

Ryder - Scores best as the number 1 ruck and as a forward is meh. That is Marshall's role to lose so pass.

Robbie Gray - Age and lack of mid minutes will see him stay where he is or decline.

Mitch Wallis - Is he even best 22?

Gresham - Likely to keep improving, speculative pick at best.

Darling - Priced around where he should be based on recent averages.

Lynch - See Darling

Hawkins - 1 season with the ton, rest mid 80's at best.

Greenwood - Meh. Averaged mid 80's through his career and people forget that he isn't exactly young. Yeah he is young in terms of AFL career but he is going to be 28.

Dahl - Could see an increase in midfield minutes where he scores well but likely to stay forward. Pass

Parish - Pass

Dawson - Pass

De Goey - Hard Pass

Lambert - Probably at top price based on career average.

JZ - Meh, wait for the eventual stinker he puts up and grab him then if you're keen.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 16, 2020, 09:10:09 AM
The Jones pick makes 0 sense. He is 270k so he is basically a mid price option.

I disagree

I clearly outlined my plan and reasoning above as to why I am looking at him. He's a breakout candidate, and not only do I expect him to be  a lock in their 22, I expect him to spend most of his time in the guts, and considering that's exactly what he did in their intra yesterday I still like the pick

I think he can go 70+, so he will make cash, and be a quick stepping stone to a outright prem. I hate the fwd prem options, so starting Chase (who I think has a lot of upside) gives me the first 5-6 rounds to see what fwds look good, then I turn him into one of them

More than happy for the majority to hate the pick - be nice to have a least 1 point of difference to start with

Is anyone else deliberately not bringing up someone else up forward? I have seen his name once in fan footy forums but just scrolled through every posted team and haven’t seen him selected?

I posted my team with jack Steven at f3 but I reckon there is someone else that’s a dead set lock for that spot in the 400k-500k range.

Fully expecting his name to be talked about soon so I won’t ruin the surprise.

Of the 400k-500k guys that have probably been looked at, these are my thoughts. I think you're probably referring to Ceglar or Hawkins but I'd pass on both.

He already acknowledged that he was talking about Greenwood

Greenwood was a mid 80s guy at Adelaide were he was the 5-6th mid in line, and didn't spend heaps of time there. He's now moved to a side where he will be inside the guts basically 100% of the time - 90+ is very attainable for him. His age is absolute irrelevant

I do however agree with you regarding every other 4-500k fwd you mentioned - I wouldn't start a single one of them
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 16, 2020, 01:51:46 PM
The Jones pick makes 0 sense. He is 270k so he is basically a mid price option.

I disagree

I clearly outlined my plan and reasoning above as to why I am looking at him. He's a breakout candidate, and not only do I expect him to be  a lock in their 22, I expect him to spend most of his time in the guts, and considering that's exactly what he did in their intra yesterday I still like the pick

I think he can go 70+, so he will make cash, and be a quick stepping stone to a outright prem. I hate the fwd prem options, so starting Chase (who I think has a lot of upside) gives me the first 5-6 rounds to see what fwds look good, then I turn him into one of them

More than happy for the majority to hate the pick - be nice to have a least 1 point of difference to start with

Is anyone else deliberately not bringing up someone else up forward? I have seen his name once in fan footy forums but just scrolled through every posted team and haven’t seen him selected?

I posted my team with jack Steven at f3 but I reckon there is someone else that’s a dead set lock for that spot in the 400k-500k range.

Fully expecting his name to be talked about soon so I won’t ruin the surprise.

Of the 400k-500k guys that have probably been looked at, these are my thoughts. I think you're probably referring to Ceglar or Hawkins but I'd pass on both.

He already acknowledged that he was talking about Greenwood

Greenwood was a mid 80s guy at Adelaide were he was the 5-6th mid in line, and didn't spend heaps of time there. He's now moved to a side where he will be inside the guts basically 100% of the time - 90+ is very attainable for him. His age is absolute irrelevant

I do however agree with you regarding every other 4-500k fwd you mentioned - I wouldn't start a single one of them

No wasn’t greenwood
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: _wato on February 16, 2020, 01:52:52 PM
Chaddddddddddd

Locked in for me at F2
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 16, 2020, 01:54:29 PM
It is ceglar and he’s a lock (as long as he’s number 1 ruck) ... given his ruck cover as well he’s an absolute no brainer imo
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: _wato on February 16, 2020, 02:08:21 PM
It is ceglar and he’s a lock (as long as he’s number 1 ruck) ... given his ruck cover as well he’s an absolute no brainer imo

Huge balls mate. It’ll work against a lot of teams but gotta think they’ll be way too tall against others. They won’t be dropping Big Boy before they drop Cegs. I still think McEvoy has value as a #1 ruck when they need it
But it is an interesting prospect.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 16, 2020, 02:17:50 PM
It is ceglar and he’s a lock (as long as he’s number 1 ruck) ... given his ruck cover as well he’s an absolute no brainer imo

Huge balls mate. It’ll work against a lot of teams but gotta think they’ll be way too tall against others. They won’t be dropping Big Boy before they drop Cegs. I still think McEvoy has value as a #1 ruck when they need it
But it is an interesting prospect.

Yup it’s ballsy I agree but I will 100% be picking Ceglar if they line up with him number 1. Small gamble that could pay off massive if we get a small injury to one of the big guns
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: _wato on February 16, 2020, 02:59:29 PM
It is ceglar and he’s a lock (as long as he’s number 1 ruck) ... given his ruck cover as well he’s an absolute no brainer imo

Huge balls mate. It’ll work against a lot of teams but gotta think they’ll be way too tall against others. They won’t be dropping Big Boy before they drop Cegs. I still think McEvoy has value as a #1 ruck when they need it
But it is an interesting prospect.

Yup it’s ballsy I agree but I will 100% be picking Ceglar if they line up with him number 1. Small gamble that could pay off massive if we get a small injury to one of the big guns

What do you see him averaging out of curiosity?
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 16, 2020, 03:10:16 PM
It is ceglar and he’s a lock (as long as he’s number 1 ruck) ... given his ruck cover as well he’s an absolute no brainer imo

Huge balls mate. It’ll work against a lot of teams but gotta think they’ll be way too tall against others. They won’t be dropping Big Boy before they drop Cegs. I still think McEvoy has value as a #1 ruck when they need it
But it is an interesting prospect.

Yup it’s ballsy I agree but I will 100% be picking Ceglar if they line up with him number 1. Small gamble that could pay off massive if we get a small injury to one of the big guns

What do you see him averaging out of curiosity?

Proviso number 1 ruck ... 90+ comfortably...  will be enough to justify his selection given this years crop of forwards and the ruck coverage he offers.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Mat0369 on February 16, 2020, 04:01:06 PM
I disagree

I clearly outlined my plan and reasoning above as to why I am looking at him. He's a breakout candidate, and not only do I expect him to be  a lock in their 22, I expect him to spend most of his time in the guts, and considering that's exactly what he did in their intra yesterday I still like the pick

I think he can go 70+, so he will make cash, and be a quick stepping stone to a outright prem. I hate the fwd prem options, so starting Chase (who I think has a lot of upside) gives me the first 5-6 rounds to see what fwds look good, then I turn him into one of them

More than happy for the majority to hate the pick - be nice to have a least 1 point of difference to start with


The difference between Jones and a lot of second year guys that are generally worth starting is the price. Jones is 270k and that's a lot to fork out for a speculative pick. For every Oliver there is a Rayner/Dow that goes backwards from years 1 to 2. It's also a really awkward price because you need to keep the funds to be able to flip him to a TMac/Steven type if he doesn't pan out or hope that there is a really good rookie on the horizon to downgrade him to. At F3 that is just asking for trouble since you end up with a massive hole at the position. At F4 I get it a bit more, you can probably afford to take the risk and downgrade to a rookie.


He already acknowledged that he was talking about Greenwood

Greenwood was a mid 80s guy at Adelaide were he was the 5-6th mid in line, and didn't spend heaps of time there. He's now moved to a side where he will be inside the guts basically 100% of the time - 90+ is very attainable for him. His age is absolute irrelevant

I do however agree with you regarding every other 4-500k fwd you mentioned - I wouldn't start a single one of them


I don't know if he spends as much time in there as people think. I don't think he is a running machine and they do have a lot of big bodied inside mids already. I think between Rowell, Anderson, Greenwood, Bowes, Swallow, Miller and guys like Fiorini, Ellis, Weller, Rankine, Macpherson and Powell also getting a run you have a ton of mids to rotate.

It is ceglar and he’s a lock (as long as he’s number 1 ruck) ... given his ruck cover as well he’s an absolute no brainer imo

He did have 3 decent scores towards the back end of the year with Big Boy playing down back but I still don't like it. You would have to hope the persist with McEvoy playing in defence or you spend 400k for a guy that ends up in the VFL. Patton will also be the forward/ruck for the Hawks come the season so they won't carry both anymore
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 16, 2020, 04:09:17 PM
Fair points but as long as I see him r1 in the marsh I’m going to take the gamble Mat.

100% agree with you regards the Gold Coast and greenwood. Wouldn’t have him ahead of swallow, fiorini Miller and probably Rowell as well. Other than those guys the other blokes mentioned greenwood pushes out of the midfield to other spots but wouldn’t see his midfield time increasing from his Adelaide days.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: frenzy on February 16, 2020, 04:28:42 PM
Chaddddddddddd

Locked in for me at F2

 :o..... speaking of ballsy, that would take a set.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 16, 2020, 06:33:23 PM
Certainly see the merit in Ceglar, but just don't see any reason to start him

If a ruck misses a game, and Ceglar is going well, then we can look to trade him in

Considering most of us are going to have F3 and F4 types that are pretty similarly priced to Ceglar anyway, the sideways/correction trade to him should be pretty easy

I know that McEvoy has been training with defence over summer, and Clarko seems keen to keep playing him there but I wouldn't hold my breath on Ceglar going 90+

In those final 3 games of last year he scored 110 vs Mumford which means nothing, followed by 83 (which isn't good enough) vs Witts and then he put up 94 vs Hickey which again is nothing to get excited about

Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 16, 2020, 07:12:03 PM
Certainly see the merit in Ceglar, but just don't see any reason to start him

If a ruck misses a game, and Ceglar is going well, then we can look to trade him in

Considering most of us are going to have F3 and F4 types that are pretty similarly priced to Ceglar anyway, the sideways/correction trade to him should be pretty easy

I know that McEvoy has been training with defence over summer, and Clarko seems keen to keep playing him there but I wouldn't hold my breath on Ceglar going 90+

In those final 3 games of last year he scored 110 vs Mumford which means nothing, followed by 83 (which isn't good enough) vs Witts and then he put up 94 vs Hickey which again is nothing to get excited about

As I said on another post I understand what you say there. This is a trust your gut moment for me.
All I need to see is McEvoy lineup every game on defense in marsh and something from Ceglar and he is an absolute lock for me. Have him clearly over greenwood if r1 at hawks is confirmed
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: AaronKirk on February 16, 2020, 07:23:50 PM
Chaddddddddddd

Locked in for me at F2

 :o..... speaking of ballsy, that would take a set.

Spent the last month of 2019 in the midfield with a 90.75 average with scores of 98, 91, 112 and 62. Funnily enough that 62 SC game v West Coast he got the 3 Brownlow votes - he had 6 clangers from his 28 disposals.

His DT scores in the same time were 88, 105, 128 and 106 - a 106.75 average

Ben Stratton on SEN the other week in an interview said he liked the way that Wingard was training in the midfield group and would like to see him spend even more time there in 2020. They need that additional polish with ball in hand in the mids and Wingard fits that mould.

His TOG% in the same time of 70% was the lowest it has been in his career so a good chance of improved TOG, more mid time and an increase in disposal numbers from the 26.5 per game average in those last 4 rounds as a mid.

Also averaged 6 tackles per game in those 4 games as a mid.

Definitely worth a gamble and is locked ATM in my side.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: frenzy on February 17, 2020, 09:49:15 AM
Chaddddddddddd

Locked in for me at F2

 :o..... speaking of ballsy, that would take a set.

Spent the last month of 2019 in the midfield with a 90.75 average with scores of 98, 91, 112 and 62. Funnily enough that 62 SC game v West Coast he got the 3 Brownlow votes - he had 6 clangers from his 28 disposals.

His DT scores in the same time were 88, 105, 128 and 106 - a 106.75 average

Ben Stratton on SEN the other week in an interview said he liked the way that Wingard was training in the midfield group and would like to see him spend even more time there in 2020. They need that additional polish with ball in hand in the mids and Wingard fits that mould.

His TOG% in the same time of 70% was the lowest it has been in his career so a good chance of improved TOG, more mid time and an increase in disposal numbers from the 26.5 per game average in those last 4 rounds as a mid.

Also averaged 6 tackles per game in those 4 games as a mid.

Definitely worth a gamble and is locked ATM in my side.

You reckon he's due for an up year, 51, 98, 79, 97, 80, 93, 88, 75 is like a yo-yo. You may well be right. Fwds are garbage this season.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: LordSneeze on February 17, 2020, 10:04:46 AM
Unfortunately im with RaisyDaisy on the forwards this year. I just don't see many good options to start and will prefer to wait to see who looks like being top 10 as upgrade options.

Ive locked in Dusty as im confident on him and I haven't seen anything that would turn me off him yet.

Whitfield is priced at a point I don't feel is worth it to start and likely an upgrade option and Heeney has been injured already & unknown quantity on his position.

I don't like Steven (Hamstring Injury in Pre Season causes me concern he will be rested a bit) or Smith (I just don't see the hype around him as a long term keeper, I see at tops 90. but Ill have a plan to get him in R3 if he does start off well and look like a potential keeper.)

I don't feel I can go only 1 prem and 7 rookies so I need to take at least 1 other player in that next tier and that is my current debate. Right now Greenwood is locked in, but I have Wingard, Gray, Parish, Ceglar on a watchlist as potential other options.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: _wato on February 17, 2020, 11:09:50 AM
Greenwood is so overrated. Such an average footballer who can't spread, isn't fast and doesn't know how to play if the game isn't slowed down to his level. Gonna get caught out unless it's the annual monsoonal weather three times a year.

Good in close, great tackler. Can go forward and be a presence. But otherwise ehhhhh
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Ringo on February 17, 2020, 12:38:00 PM
I too am with Lord Sneeze and RD. There seems to be so many forward options but none really stand out apart from Dusty. By going light allows strength on other lines eg Roberton at D5 and 5 prem mids,  Also supports the GG combo as well. I currently have dev at F2 but that may change with a watch on Robbie Gray.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 17, 2020, 01:14:59 PM
I reckon Walters will be Top 5 and have another strong year average wise, but I just can't bring myself to pay that much for him

Whitfield is an interesting one - will be curious to see how or if there's any change with him once Ward comes in Round 5-6
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Ringo on February 17, 2020, 01:40:05 PM
may have to reconsider Walters from my never again list.  Did not realize he has missed so few games over the last few years. However at $547k probably an upgrade target along with Whitfield when we see which forwards will be prem status.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: LordSneeze on February 17, 2020, 02:18:14 PM
Im not considering Walters as I want to make sure he is still Prem and over the Injury issues before I decide if I will bring him in.
Have been burnt badly by him before. And a lot of other Freo players.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Mat0369 on February 17, 2020, 02:46:57 PM
The only question with Whitfield is his body. He and Dusty are the two locks of all locks in the forward line. The intention was to play Whitfield permanently on a wing and as soon as he moved there he put up huge numbers. He also had a couple of injury games which makes him under priced.

The one to keep an eye on is Toby Greene. Apart from the brain fades and the unreliable body, he put up some monster numbers at the back end of last year with the injuries. I would expect those to take a dip when he moves forward, however he still averaged 96 a couple of years back playing as a permanent half forward.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: shaker on February 17, 2020, 02:55:00 PM
Fwd's prems are a bit light on this year but can't believe some are not getting Whitfield people saying he's to fragile or to expensive he had a thigh or hip early in round 6 for a 45 then he busted his collarbone in round 11 for 65 I would be more concerned getting soft tissue boy Kelly than Whitfield his other scores 105 , 123 , 152 , 137 , 86 , 170 , 115 , 101 , 119 , 90 , 109 , 90 , 114 , 159 take out his 2 injury games that's 11 tons out of 14 matches can't see much wrong there him and Dusty locked.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: _wato on February 17, 2020, 04:03:50 PM
Fwd's prems are a bit light on this year but can't believe some are not getting Whitfield people saying he's to fragile or to expensive he had a thigh or hip early in round 6 for a 45 then he busted his collarbone in round 11 for 65 I would be more concerned getting soft tissue boy Kelly than Whitfield his other scores 105 , 123 , 152 , 137 , 86 , 170 , 115 , 101 , 119 , 90 , 109 , 90 , 114 , 159 take out his 2 injury games that's 11 tons out of 14 matches can't see much wrong there him and Dusty locked.

Hahahah the classic denial post about injury games, ahh just take them out as if they never happened, it won't matter!!

2019 - 16 games (yuck)
2018 - 22 games (tick)
2017 - 15 games (yuck)
2016 - 19 games (ehh 3 rookie scores)
2015 - 21 games (tick)
2014 - 11 games (hahahaah)
2013 - 19 games (once again annoying)

So can't just say they were two innocuous injuries because he's had them his whole career! Also adding to the fact is that Ward played 1 game (hadn't missed a game in 4 years), Cogs missed 7, Jelly missed 8, and he jumped from two years at 97 and 99 to 111.

Natural progression? Yes potentially.
More opportunity? Most definitely.
Coincidence he scored well with a plague of injuries? For sure.
Will he still attract the tag? For sure.
Is his body still made of rubber? Yes.

With all things considered am I going to pay 600k for a full priced guy who has had one year at 110 (never before over 100), has missed 31 games in 7 years and will have points possibly taken away due to a fully fit Giants side being on the park?

HELLLLL NOOOOO I WON'T BE. But you can gladly pick him, I'll wait for the cash drop or injury :)))
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: shaker on February 17, 2020, 04:17:33 PM
Fwd's prems are a bit light on this year but can't believe some are not getting Whitfield people saying he's to fragile or to expensive he had a thigh or hip early in round 6 for a 45 then he busted his collarbone in round 11 for 65 I would be more concerned getting soft tissue boy Kelly than Whitfield his other scores 105 , 123 , 152 , 137 , 86 , 170 , 115 , 101 , 119 , 90 , 109 , 90 , 114 , 159 take out his 2 injury games that's 11 tons out of 14 matches can't see much wrong there him and Dusty locked.

Hahahah the classic denial post about injury games, ahh just take them out as if they never happened, it won't matter!!

2019 - 16 games (yuck)
2018 - 22 games (tick)
2017 - 15 games (yuck)
2016 - 19 games (ehh 3 rookie scores)
2015 - 21 games (tick)
2014 - 11 games (hahahaah)
2013 - 19 games (once again annoying)

So can't just say they were two innocuous injuries because he's had them his whole career! Also adding to the fact is that Ward played 1 game (hadn't missed a game in 4 years), Cogs missed 7, Jelly missed 8, and he jumped from two years at 97 and 99 to 111.

Natural progression? Yes potentially.
More opportunity? Most definitely.
Coincidence he scored well with a plague of injuries? For sure.
Will he still attract the tag? For sure.
Is his body still made of rubber? Yes.

With all things considered am I going to pay 600k for a full priced guy who has had one year at 110 (never before over 100), has missed 31 games in 7 years and will have points possibly taken away due to a fully fit Giants side being on the park?

HELLLLL NOOOOO I WON'T BE. But you can gladly pick him, I'll wait for the cash drop or injury :)))
If he gets injured simple trade him out but I'll be the one lapping up all those beautiful tons till he does  ;)
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Pokerface on February 17, 2020, 04:42:21 PM
Fwd's prems are a bit light on this year but can't believe some are not getting Whitfield people saying he's to fragile or to expensive he had a thigh or hip early in round 6 for a 45 then he busted his collarbone in round 11 for 65 I would be more concerned getting soft tissue boy Kelly than Whitfield his other scores 105 , 123 , 152 , 137 , 86 , 170 , 115 , 101 , 119 , 90 , 109 , 90 , 114 , 159 take out his 2 injury games that's 11 tons out of 14 matches can't see much wrong there him and Dusty locked.

Hahahah the classic denial post about injury games, ahh just take them out as if they never happened, it won't matter!!

2019 - 16 games (yuck)
2018 - 22 games (tick)
2017 - 15 games (yuck)
2016 - 19 games (ehh 3 rookie scores)
2015 - 21 games (tick)
2014 - 11 games (hahahaah)
2013 - 19 games (once again annoying)

So can't just say they were two innocuous injuries because he's had them his whole career! Also adding to the fact is that Ward played 1 game (hadn't missed a game in 4 years), Cogs missed 7, Jelly missed 8, and he jumped from two years at 97 and 99 to 111.

Natural progression? Yes potentially.
More opportunity? Most definitely.
Coincidence he scored well with a plague of injuries? For sure.
Will he still attract the tag? For sure.
Is his body still made of rubber? Yes.

With all things considered am I going to pay 600k for a full priced guy who has had one year at 110 (never before over 100), has missed 31 games in 7 years and will have points possibly taken away due to a fully fit Giants side being on the park?

HELLLLL NOOOOO I WON'T BE. But you can gladly pick him, I'll wait for the cash drop or injury :)))

so who do you pick instead? That's the issue, there isn't anything worthwhile up forward
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: erich1036 on February 17, 2020, 04:45:16 PM
Fwd's prems are a bit light on this year but can't believe some are not getting Whitfield people saying he's to fragile or to expensive he had a thigh or hip early in round 6 for a 45 then he busted his collarbone in round 11 for 65 I would be more concerned getting soft tissue boy Kelly than Whitfield his other scores 105 , 123 , 152 , 137 , 86 , 170 , 115 , 101 , 119 , 90 , 109 , 90 , 114 , 159 take out his 2 injury games that's 11 tons out of 14 matches can't see much wrong there him and Dusty locked.

Hahahah the classic denial post about injury games, ahh just take them out as if they never happened, it won't matter!!

2019 - 16 games (yuck)
2018 - 22 games (tick)
2017 - 15 games (yuck)
2016 - 19 games (ehh 3 rookie scores)
2015 - 21 games (tick)
2014 - 11 games (hahahaah)
2013 - 19 games (once again annoying)

So can't just say they were two innocuous injuries because he's had them his whole career! Also adding to the fact is that Ward played 1 game (hadn't missed a game in 4 years), Cogs missed 7, Jelly missed 8, and he jumped from two years at 97 and 99 to 111.

Natural progression? Yes potentially.
More opportunity? Most definitely.
Coincidence he scored well with a plague of injuries? For sure.
Will he still attract the tag? For sure.
Is his body still made of rubber? Yes.

With all things considered am I going to pay 600k for a full priced guy who has had one year at 110 (never before over 100), has missed 31 games in 7 years and will have points possibly taken away due to a fully fit Giants side being on the park?

HELLLLL NOOOOO I WON'T BE. But you can gladly pick him, I'll wait for the cash drop or injury :)))

In 2017 you say "yuck", but I'm not sure I'd be calling a drug ban an 'injury'. Very unlikely to happen again (you would hope). He was fully healthy for that full season and played every game he could. So basically he only missed 4 games due to injury across 2015-2018. Certainly doesn't change your other points, but I just wanted to note that.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: _wato on February 17, 2020, 04:46:12 PM
If he gets injured simple trade him out but I'll be the one lapping up all those beautiful tons till he does  ;)

Hahahah burn those precious trades!!! Don't expect 130+ anymore either, too many hungry ball hogs in that team

so who do you pick instead? That's the issue, there isn't anything worthwhile up forward

It's simple you don't. You pick extra rookies and buy genuine premos on other lines.
At worst you go for guys in the 400k mould (for me it's Wingard/Ceglar) who also have question marks but they're 150-200k cheaper.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: _wato on February 17, 2020, 04:49:02 PM
In 2017 you say "yuck", but I'm not sure I'd be calling a drug ban an 'injury'. Very unlikely to happen again (you would hope). He was fully healthy for that full season and played every game he could. So basically he only missed 4 games due to injury across 2015-2018.

Okay that's also a fair comment. I also never saw Whitfield garner the attention across 2015-2018 like he did last season which resulted directly in the collarbone injury where he missed 4 games (5 including the bye) plus the corked thigh.
He's gonna cop it a hell of a lot more and teams will get physical with him. He won't be able to play on the outside and have it all his own way.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Pokerface on February 17, 2020, 04:54:49 PM
If he gets injured simple trade him out but I'll be the one lapping up all those beautiful tons till he does  ;)

Hahahah burn those precious trades!!! Don't expect 130+ anymore either, too many hungry ball hogs in that team

so who do you pick instead? That's the issue, there isn't anything worthwhile up forward

It's simple you don't. You pick extra rookies and buy genuine premos on other lines.
At worst you go for guys in the 400k mould (for me it's Wingard/Ceglar) who also have question marks but they're 150-200k cheaper.

If there are 6 forward rookies available i'd certainly look at the option. But I don't think there will be. I guess where rookies start appearing is the ultimate key to our structure and selections. None of those 400k mould guys do much for me - at the price you really need them to be keepers.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: shaker on February 17, 2020, 05:17:18 PM
In 2017 you say "yuck", but I'm not sure I'd be calling a drug ban an 'injury'. Very unlikely to happen again (you would hope). He was fully healthy for that full season and played every game he could. So basically he only missed 4 games due to injury across 2015-2018.

Okay that's also a fair comment. I also never saw Whitfield garner the attention across 2015-2018 like he did last season which resulted directly in the collarbone injury where he missed 4 games (5 including the bye) plus the corked thigh.
He's gonna cop it a hell of a lot more and teams will get physical with him. He won't be able to play on the outside and have it all his own way.
Well it seems he thrives on all that attention he lifted his ppg up by 11.4 or it could be he's just a GUN locked  ;D
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 17, 2020, 06:06:49 PM
I'm not really worried about injuries with Whitfield

Yeah he's had a few, but my major concern with him has always been his scoring when they're full strength

Kelly, Coniglio, Taranto, Hopper, Ward, Zwil, Toby and Whitfield - they aren't all going 100+

Whitfield was huge last year but most of those other blokes weren't playing, or were playing underdone etc

Is he going to come out of the gates banging out 110+ scores from the get go? Because that's the only outcome where it hurts not starting him, and with all their guys back except Ward I'm not sure he does

I can easily see him putting up plenty of 90-110 scores, and at 600k that's not good enough

He's going to be in everyone's team eventually, just not sure he'll be in mine from the beginning
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: duffercoat on February 17, 2020, 07:11:12 PM
His scores wont be as good while the entire GWS midfield is fit - theres not enough points to go around.

He's coming off a preseason ankle reconstruction.

So I dont think he's worth his price but he will still score well. Its just a matter of if you're willing to take a loss to ensure you have a top fwd premium from day 1.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: walloo44 on February 18, 2020, 11:02:47 AM
Was going through Greenwood’s past scores to see how he generates his 90+ type games, and it seems to me his tackling and contested numbers offer him a solid baseline, resulting in games where he gets 20+ disposals being very high scoring.

I’m his career these are his supercoach scores when he gets 20+ disposals

127, 103, 90, 111, 85, 112, 94, 99, 82, 114, 86, 92, 96, 112, 98, 90, 102.

Giving him an average of 99.5 points when he gets 20 disposals or more. A floor of only 82, and a ceiling of 127.

Every year he has had a greater % of games with over 20 disposals.

2017 = 3/12 = 25%
2018 = 8/22 = 36%
2019 = 6/14 = 42%

Now while these percentages seem far from the desired 100%, he did average 17 disposals in these seasons, suggesting his supercoach pts to disposals ratio is very good, likely helped by a majority of these being contested.

This year at Gold Coast he should find himself a greater opportunity to be a key feature of their midfield, ideally boosting his average disposals for 17 for the past 3 years up to this 20 disposals threshold. If he can do this I think a 95 average is very very obtainable, and a 100pt average possible.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: GoLions on February 18, 2020, 11:23:53 AM
Was going through Greenwood’s past scores to see how he generates his 90+ type games, and it seems to me his tackling and contested numbers offer him a solid baseline, resulting in games where he gets 20+ disposals being very high scoring.

I’m his career these are his supercoach scores when he gets 20+ disposals

127, 103, 90, 111, 85, 112, 94, 99, 82, 114, 86, 92, 96, 112, 98, 90, 102.

Giving him an average of 99.5 points when he gets 20 disposals or more. A floor of only 82, and a ceiling of 127.

Every year he has had a greater % of games with over 20 disposals.

2017 = 3/12 = 25%
2018 = 8/22 = 36%
2019 = 6/14 = 42%

Now while these percentages seem far from the desired 100%, he did average 17 disposals in these seasons, suggesting his supercoach pts to disposals ratio is very good, likely helped by a majority of these being contested.

This year at Gold Coast he should find himself a greater opportunity to be a key feature of their midfield, ideally boosting his average disposals for 17 for the past 3 years up to this 20 disposals threshold. If he can do this I think a 95 average is very very obtainable, and a 100pt average possible.

Touk, Swallow, Bowes, Rowell, Brodie, Miles, Ellis, Fiorini all going to be playing mostly midfield. Guys like Ainsworth, Powell and Anderson probably do as well. Idk if I've forgotten anyone.

Greenwood may not get as much time in the midfield as some people think.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: jvalles69 on February 18, 2020, 03:39:40 PM
Having a play removing Whitfield because I do agree he will be cheaper at some stage and I want to try and get Houston in.  Toughest part is who to drop Whitfield to, already got Dusty, will wait on Heeney, currently have Steven again, but the other options I'm considering are Greenwood and possibly Ebert if it looks like he moves back into the mids.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: TomK on February 18, 2020, 06:28:20 PM
Greenwood is so overrated. Such an average footballer who can't spread, isn't fast and doesn't know how to play if the game isn't slowed down to his level. Gonna get caught out unless it's the annual monsoonal weather three times a year.

Good in close, great tackler. Can go forward and be a presence. But otherwise ehhhhh
don't make me hit you watson
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: justaverage on February 18, 2020, 06:35:25 PM
Having a play removing Whitfield because I do agree he will be cheaper at some stage and I want to try and get Houston in.  Toughest part is who to drop Whitfield to, already got Dusty, will wait on Heeney, currently have Steven again, but the other options I'm considering are Greenwood and possibly Ebert if it looks like he moves back into the mids.

I'm tempted by the hype of Houston but not at the expense of a Premium
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: jvalles69 on February 19, 2020, 10:49:21 AM
Having a play removing Whitfield because I do agree he will be cheaper at some stage and I want to try and get Houston in.  Toughest part is who to drop Whitfield to, already got Dusty, will wait on Heeney, currently have Steven again, but the other options I'm considering are Greenwood and possibly Ebert if it looks like he moves back into the mids.

I'm tempted by the hype of Houston but not at the expense of a Premium

If Houston ends up a keeper and I get Whitfield at a discounted price then I think that's a win for me, that extra leftover money I can use to counter any score difference between them, as long as I use the money right is the tough part...
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Ingram on February 19, 2020, 11:36:49 AM
Dropped Houston to Roberton so I can squeeze Ceglar in. Feels pretty good atm.

Ruck coverage and hopefully a decent FWD scorer. Hawks said today he's No. 1 ruck.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 19, 2020, 04:19:42 PM
Dropped Houston to Roberton so I can squeeze Ceglar in. Feels pretty good atm.

Ruck coverage and hopefully a decent FWD scorer. Hawks said today he's No. 1 ruck.

And it starts .... fully expecting many more on this page to jump on. If he’s number 1 he’s a gift fwd/ruck.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 19, 2020, 06:01:38 PM
Dropped Houston to Roberton so I can squeeze Ceglar in. Feels pretty good atm.

Ruck coverage and hopefully a decent FWD scorer. Hawks said today he's No. 1 ruck.

And it starts .... fully expecting many more on this page to jump on. If he’s number 1 he’s a gift fwd/ruck.

Ceglar will be an absolute trap. Calling it now

High 80's at best

Will be fun to see how this plays out :)
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 19, 2020, 06:20:30 PM
Dropped Houston to Roberton so I can squeeze Ceglar in. Feels pretty good atm.

Ruck coverage and hopefully a decent FWD scorer. Hawks said today he's No. 1 ruck.

And it starts .... fully expecting many more on this page to jump on. If he’s number 1 he’s a gift fwd/ruck.

Ceglar will be an absolute trap. Calling it now

High 80's at best

Will be fun to see how this plays out :)

High 80s? So if he goes 87/88 he would be a top 10 forward based on what we have to pick from this year and provides ruck coverage should Gawn grundy miss a week?

An absolute no brainer.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 19, 2020, 06:24:22 PM
I will go a step further to say he won’t go high 80s he will go 93-95 and probably a little higher
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: shaker on February 19, 2020, 06:27:38 PM
Dropped Houston to Roberton so I can squeeze Ceglar in. Feels pretty good atm.

Ruck coverage and hopefully a decent FWD scorer. Hawks said today he's No. 1 ruck.

And it starts .... fully expecting many more on this page to jump on. If he’s number 1 he’s a gift fwd/ruck.
If he truly is the No1 ruck he will be very tempting but McEvoy was having a very good year till he got injured in round 9 and again he had a thumb injury in the later rounds which could explain Ceglar taking over the ruck in the last rounds , if McEvoy does not work out as a backman thing things could revert very quickly we saw Clarkson try and make Sicily a fwd. and that didn't last long 2 matches.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 19, 2020, 08:49:47 PM
High 80s? So if he goes 87/88 he would be a top 10 forward based on what we have to pick from this year and provides ruck coverage should Gawn grundy miss a week?

An absolute no brainer.

Like I said, don't hate the pick, but don't see any reason to start him. If he does go 90 then he will still be easy to bring in and afford
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: _wato on February 19, 2020, 08:52:21 PM
Dropped Houston to Roberton so I can squeeze Ceglar in. Feels pretty good atm.

Ruck coverage and hopefully a decent FWD scorer. Hawks said today he's No. 1 ruck.

And it starts .... fully expecting many more on this page to jump on. If he’s number 1 he’s a gift fwd/ruck.
If he truly is the No1 ruck he will be very tempting but McEvoy was having a very good year till he got injured in round 9 and again he had a thumb injury in the later rounds which could explain Ceglar taking over the ruck in the last rounds , if McEvoy does not work out as a backman thing things could revert very quickly we saw Clarkson try and make Sicily a fwd. and that didn't last long 2 matches.

So that explains why McEvoy was not seen once practicing his ruck craft and has indeed been training with the defenders all preseason? Track watchers say he’s a natural defender, looks like he’s been doing it 10 years.

But tell me again why things could revert very quickly?
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: shaker on February 20, 2020, 08:17:29 AM
Dropped Houston to Roberton so I can squeeze Ceglar in. Feels pretty good atm.

Ruck coverage and hopefully a decent FWD scorer. Hawks said today he's No. 1 ruck.

And it starts .... fully expecting many more on this page to jump on. If he’s number 1 he’s a gift fwd/ruck.
If he truly is the No1 ruck he will be very tempting but McEvoy was having a very good year till he got injured in round 9 and again he had a thumb injury in the later rounds which could explain Ceglar taking over the ruck in the last rounds , if McEvoy does not work out as a backman thing things could revert very quickly we saw Clarkson try and make Sicily a fwd. and that didn't last long 2 matches.

So that explains why McEvoy was not seen once practicing his ruck craft and has indeed been training with the defenders all preseason? Track watchers say he’s a natural defender, looks like he’s been doing it 10 years.

But tell me again why things could revert very quickly?
What happens if Ceglar gets his pants pulled down in the ruck a couple times early ? will Clarkson just put up with it ? Frost has also been recruited as well , is it not possible that they will share the ruck duties and McEvoy always goes back when not rucking? I'm happy to wait and see , if Gawn does not line up R1 then he becomes an option.

Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: frenzy on February 20, 2020, 11:33:24 AM
What will Sicily's role be in all this? Frosty and BigBoy down back, Patton and Sicily Forward ? Doesn't Sic turn to shower up fwd.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 20, 2020, 11:37:37 AM
What will Sicily's role be in all this? Frosty and BigBoy down back, Patton and Sicily Forward ? Doesn't Sic turn to shower up fwd.

Frost and Big Boy will actually take the 2 keys meaning Sicily is free to rebound!
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: _wato on February 20, 2020, 12:04:20 PM
What will Sicily's role be in all this? Frosty and BigBoy down back, Patton and Sicily Forward ? Doesn't Sic turn to shower up fwd.

Patton Lewis and TOB up forward. No need for Sicily down there mate. Stratton/McEvoy/Frost/Frawley to take the monsters and then Hardwick/Scrim/Howe to take the others. Sicily to do as he pleases!!!
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: frenzy on February 20, 2020, 12:46:55 PM
think I'll find a spot for Sic then, thanks fellas.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Ingram on February 20, 2020, 01:16:56 PM
Took Doch out to free funds up for Ceglar. Eagerly awaiting Marsh to see how both perform.

Laird, Sicily, Houston, Doedee, Hill, Young

Macrae, Fyfe, Titch, Danger, Cripps, Rowell, Pickett, McHenry

GG

Martin, Smith, Ceglar, Bonar, Flanders, George

Good balance?
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 20, 2020, 07:11:38 PM
3 minutes in ... lock him in boys
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 20, 2020, 08:36:17 PM
3 minutes in ... lock him in boys

39 at 1/2 time, about what you'd expect
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Ingram on February 20, 2020, 09:18:41 PM
He must have seen his score at HT he's had a good 3rd.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 21, 2020, 08:37:11 AM
Alright, so Ceglar put up 80 last night from 66% TOG, and that's prompted me to do a little more research

I still don't think he is a must to start, but like I said on the previous page I don't mind the pick -  he's in the same group as Steven/Dev/TMac etc - and it looks like most of us are going to be starting with at least 1 from that group, most likely 2. The fact that he provides ruck cover is certainly appealing, but I still maintain he should be easy to trade in during the season should we need ruck cover, so he isn't a must to start, but certainly a valid option

One thing I hadn't bothered to check recently was that when he did ruck those 3 games last year, Big Boy didn't ruck at all - just 1 hitout is all he had - I just assumed that he gave Ceglar a chop out at some point during those games, but he didn't. Ceglar's scores weren't massive then, but decent enough for a fwd in SC for sure - most importantly though, it shows me he can ruck out full games on his own, and that's something I wasn't aware of so that changes things

That then prompted me to look at other rucks who are their teams solo ruck

Guys like Darcy, Sinclair, even Nank lately etc who averaged mid 70's usually had someone else giving them a chop out, where as the guys who did all the ruck work (GGG, Marshall, ROB etc) all went 90+

For that reason, I certainly see the appeal in Ceglar because it does look like Big Boy ain't rucking at all

I'll admit I've slightly changed my view and am open to the idea of picking him. If we actually had a bunch of good premo fwds to pick from then I wouldn't be looking at Ceglar at all, but because it's slim pickings and looking like going cheap up fwd is the way to go, I now have Ceglar in the Steven/Dev group of guys to consider

eaglesman, you made a good point - even if he does go 88-90 like I think he will, that's still probably going to be good enough for F6 this year based off what forwards are available. Last year I had Hoff as F7 for F/R cover, so maybe Ceglar will be that spot for me this year

Still don't have Ceglar in my side at the moment, but he's in the mix

That fact that he was up against Marshall last night and still did well certainly helps his case now - maybe 90+ is possible
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: frenzy on February 21, 2020, 09:02:24 AM
you should wait and see Marsh two, hopefully Maxy plays Cegs. I doubt he gets a touch.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: shaker on February 21, 2020, 09:12:17 AM
King looks like he will be only a bench player , Gresham firmed as a F3 , Ceglar still an option if Gawn's knee looks iffy before R1.
and nearly forgot Membrey was awesome he was everywhere is this a new role under a new coach ?
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 21, 2020, 10:15:11 AM
Alright, so Ceglar put up 80 last night from 66% TOG, and that's prompted me to do a little more research

I still don't think he is a must to start, but like I said on the previous page I don't mind the pick -  he's in the same group as Steven/Dev/TMac etc - and it looks like most of us are going to be starting with at least 1 from that group, most likely 2. The fact that he provides ruck cover is certainly appealing, but I still maintain he should be easy to trade in during the season should we need ruck cover, so he isn't a must to start, but certainly a valid option

One thing I hadn't bothered to check recently was that when he did ruck those 3 games last year, Big Boy didn't ruck at all - just 1 hitout is all he had - I just assumed that he gave Ceglar a chop out at some point during those games, but he didn't. Ceglar's scores weren't massive then, but decent enough for a fwd in SC for sure - most importantly though, it shows me he can ruck out full games on his own, and that's something I wasn't aware of so that changes things

That then prompted me to look at other rucks who are their teams solo ruck

Guys like Darcy, Sinclair, even Nank lately etc who averaged mid 70's usually had someone else giving them a chop out, where as the guys who did all the ruck work (GGG, Marshall, ROB etc) all went 90+

For that reason, I certainly see the appeal in Ceglar because it does look like Big Boy ain't rucking at all

I'll admit I've slightly changed my view and am open to the idea of picking him. If we actually had a bunch of good premo fwds to pick from then I wouldn't be looking at Ceglar at all, but because it's slim pickings and looking like going cheap up fwd is the way to go, I now have Ceglar in the Steven/Dev group of guys to consider

eaglesman, you made a good point - even if he does go 88-90 like I think he will, that's still probably going to be good enough for F6 this year based off what forwards are available. Last year I had Hoff as F7 for F/R cover, so maybe Ceglar will be that spot for me this year

Still don't have Ceglar in my side at the moment, but he's in the mix

That fact that he was up against Marshall last night and still did well certainly helps his case now - maybe 90+ is possible

I probably should have mentioned this before now. Ceglar is 100% a keeper pick at F7 for me with a SuperCoach marathon not a sprint mentality. If he proves to be better than that it’s a bonus. But he’s most definitely a ruck safety selection for me.
He is an unknown as it’s the first time in his career he will have the shot at extended stint as number 1.

We can’t keep getting this lucky with gawngrundy not missing games. I hope Gawn tears him to pieces next week and keeps his ownership low.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 21, 2020, 11:32:18 AM
I guess the other thing that has my interest in Ceglar increasing is that we just have to look at Lycett and Marshall last year

When a ruck is given the mantle and rucks out the entire game on his own - high 80's - 90+ seems pretty safe, as the role of ruck is just so friendly for SC

I've looked at Dusty, Cegalr, Dev as my 3 forwards, and I can actually get 14 keepers + Robbo (Ceglar and Smith keepers)
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: fanTCfool on February 21, 2020, 12:41:20 PM
Ceglar will be an absolute trap. Calling it now
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Gigantor on February 21, 2020, 12:44:02 PM
If Gawn misses round 1 (in Perth, hard Optus surface so its a good chance of happening) do you still pick him and field Ceglar?
Or just pick Ceglar R2 and hope for a significant dip in Gawns price.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: LordSneeze on February 21, 2020, 12:45:56 PM
I think it all depends on the amount of risk you are taking in your team overall, if you are taking limited risk in other positions I can see it being worth a risk and correction if required, as the upside is there if it works.

If you are taking a lot of other risk, then I wouldn't want to add that on the pile too.
lets say to you Steen, Smith, Ceglar, Doc, Sauce and Roberton & 3 or 4 don't work you will be in a world of pain.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 21, 2020, 12:54:55 PM
Ceglar will be an absolute trap. Calling it now

Quote everything I said or don't quote me at all  ::)

Still not entirely convinced, but it's certainly worth looking at. Happy to admit when I am wrong, but never completely ruled him out and he could still be a trap

If Gawn misses round 1 (in Perth, hard Optus surface so its a good chance of happening) do you still pick him and field Ceglar?
Or just pick Ceglar R2 and hope for a significant dip in Gawns price.

I do end up picking Ceglar (still early days on that) I'd be starting Gawn even if he misses Round 1, and just field an extra fwd rookie in Round 1 while Ceglar moves from forward to R2





Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Mat0369 on February 21, 2020, 01:27:34 PM
I've been playing around with Ceglar R2 instead of Nic Nat. I still believe Nic Nat will score more and is a better pick at the price, however it means I have an extra keeper in Ceglar compared to the stepping stone in Nic Nat. I'll monitor how Ceglar goes in the next game before making the call. I know I would rather Ceglar and Steven/Smith compared to Sauce, Ceglar and one of Dev/Steven
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: crowls on February 21, 2020, 02:27:20 PM
I've been playing around with Ceglar R2 instead of Nic Nat. I still believe Nic Nat will score more and is a better pick at the price, however it means I have an extra keeper in Ceglar compared to the stepping stone in Nic Nat. I'll monitor how Ceglar goes in the next game before making the call. I know I would rather Ceglar and Steven/Smith compared to Sauce, Ceglar and one of Dev/Steven


Ceglar is not the R2 option,  his benefit is to other FWD keeper options.    Steven, Smith, Greenwood etc.  Given guaranteed ruck coverage and potential to be a keeper fwd makes him a long term selection that reduces overall team risk.     Do not see benefit in starting him at R2 and then having to find money to upgrade to Gawn later.    Ceglar will be my F2/3 depending on how deep I want to start rookies in the fwds if I decide this path is the best option for the year. 

Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Pokerface on February 21, 2020, 02:32:21 PM
I've been playing around with Ceglar R2 instead of Nic Nat. I still believe Nic Nat will score more and is a better pick at the price, however it means I have an extra keeper in Ceglar compared to the stepping stone in Nic Nat. I'll monitor how Ceglar goes in the next game before making the call. I know I would rather Ceglar and Steven/Smith compared to Sauce, Ceglar and one of Dev/Steven


Ceglar is not the R2 option,  his benefit is to other FWD keeper options.    Steven, Smith, Greenwood etc.  Given guaranteed ruck coverage and potential to be a keeper fwd makes him a long term selection that reduces overall team risk.     Do not see benefit in starting him at R2 and then having to find money to upgrade to Gawn later.    Ceglar will be my F2/3 depending on how deep I want to start rookies in the fwds if I decide this path is the best option for the year.

I have him at R2. He doesn't need to be upgraded to Gawn. The upgrade can be done in the forward line, and swing Ceglar into the forwards as part of the trade. Not starting with Gawn in this fashion really is no different to not starting with Whitfield, Macrae etc, especially if you think he might start on par with other uber-premiums not in your initial squad.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: crowls on February 21, 2020, 02:40:47 PM
I've been playing around with Ceglar R2 instead of Nic Nat. I still believe Nic Nat will score more and is a better pick at the price, however it means I have an extra keeper in Ceglar compared to the stepping stone in Nic Nat. I'll monitor how Ceglar goes in the next game before making the call. I know I would rather Ceglar and Steven/Smith compared to Sauce, Ceglar and one of Dev/Steven


Ceglar is not the R2 option,  his benefit is to other FWD keeper options.    Steven, Smith, Greenwood etc.  Given guaranteed ruck coverage and potential to be a keeper fwd makes him a long term selection that reduces overall team risk.     Do not see benefit in starting him at R2 and then having to find money to upgrade to Gawn later.    Ceglar will be my F2/3 depending on how deep I want to start rookies in the fwds if I decide this path is the best option for the year.

I have him at R2. He doesn't need to be upgraded to Gawn. The upgrade can be done in the forward line, and swing Ceglar into the forwards as part of the trade. Not starting with Gawn in this fashion really is no different to not starting with Whitfield, Macrae etc, especially if you think he might start on par with other uber-premiums not in your initial squad.
Hi Pokerface,   my fault did not explain myself clearly.    It is better to play a rookie in fwds and get additional cash generation and still start GG.   Ceglar just DPPs into R2 if Gawn is affected.   Sure Gawn will drop at some stage but you are going to have to bring him in.   Why not make it easier and just start Ceglar in FWDS.   Effectively 2 Keepers as Cegalr ends up F6/7 Ruck cover
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Pokerface on February 21, 2020, 03:06:38 PM
I've been playing around with Ceglar R2 instead of Nic Nat. I still believe Nic Nat will score more and is a better pick at the price, however it means I have an extra keeper in Ceglar compared to the stepping stone in Nic Nat. I'll monitor how Ceglar goes in the next game before making the call. I know I would rather Ceglar and Steven/Smith compared to Sauce, Ceglar and one of Dev/Steven


Ceglar is not the R2 option,  his benefit is to other FWD keeper options.    Steven, Smith, Greenwood etc.  Given guaranteed ruck coverage and potential to be a keeper fwd makes him a long term selection that reduces overall team risk.     Do not see benefit in starting him at R2 and then having to find money to upgrade to Gawn later.    Ceglar will be my F2/3 depending on how deep I want to start rookies in the fwds if I decide this path is the best option for the year.

I have him at R2. He doesn't need to be upgraded to Gawn. The upgrade can be done in the forward line, and swing Ceglar into the forwards as part of the trade. Not starting with Gawn in this fashion really is no different to not starting with Whitfield, Macrae etc, especially if you think he might start on par with other uber-premiums not in your initial squad.
Hi Pokerface,   my fault did not explain myself clearly.    It is better to play a rookie in fwds and get additional cash generation and still start GG.   Ceglar just DPPs into R2 if Gawn is affected.   Sure Gawn will drop at some stage but you are going to have to bring him in.   Why not make it easier and just start Ceglar in FWDS.   Effectively 2 Keepers as Cegalr ends up F6/7 Ruck cover

Hi Crowls. Agree you need to bring Gawn at some stage. I also believe you need to bring in Whitfield, Macrae et al at some stage. People are more comfortable not starting with those guys than Gawn, quite rightly because no Gawn usually means a stepping stone there rather than a cash cow as you would in other lines. Unless you use a Ruck/Forward dpp at R2.
I'm not convinced Gawn comes out like a house on fire more than ubers on any other line - it's a relatively tricky first 7 rounds, particularly with his R1 clash on the Perth concrete. Due to Ceglar's dpp, I just see it as say starting Gawn v Macrae, or Gawn v Whitfield. Instead of Gawn, I have an extra uber elsewhere, I'm not losing out on number of keepers, and I have the same number of forward rookies if I had Gawn R2, Ceglar F4 rather than Ceglar R2, xxx.
I admit it does feel like a big leap of faith starting without Gawn. But when I was able to view it as picking him against other ubers rather than against other rucks, I'm ok with going down this different path. I think ...
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 21, 2020, 03:28:52 PM
At the start of this preseason I would never of thought I would be leading the ceglar bandwagon. But I’m feeling like I need to scoot on over to let a few more jump on ....

I Duno about ceglar at r2.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: shaker on February 21, 2020, 03:48:51 PM
If Gawn misses round 1 (in Perth, hard Optus surface so its a good chance of happening) do you still pick him and field Ceglar?
Or just pick Ceglar R2 and hope for a significant dip in Gawns price.
By the time R1 comes around that would be close to 6 or 7 weeks since Gawn injured his knee if it's still not right by then or they are worried about Optus I would be having doubts about starting him at his price especially on the bench so that means another R2 Ceglar's advantage is his FWD status as well , lets see what unfolds.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: SilverLion on February 23, 2020, 12:51:05 AM
MacPherson>Greenwood
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Mat0369 on February 23, 2020, 01:24:53 AM
Knee-jerk time. Trac will be a top 5 forward come the end of the season. If there was ever going to be a season that he breaks out, it has to be now. Most true premiums will have had that breakout season by year 3 or 4. He is now past that and only averaged 80ish the last two seasons. He has way too much talent to not be a star of the comp and if he plays anywhere near as much time in the midfield as he did today he will clear 95 with ease.

Ceglar is not the R2 option,  his benefit is to other FWD keeper options.    Steven, Smith, Greenwood etc.  Given guaranteed ruck coverage and potential to be a keeper fwd makes him a long term selection that reduces overall team risk.     Do not see benefit in starting him at R2 and then having to find money to upgrade to Gawn later.    Ceglar will be my F2/3 depending on how deep I want to start rookies in the fwds if I decide this path is the best option for the year.

The value in Ceglar is being able to start him as your R2 instead of a Gawn and still have a keeper in the long term. You play your rookies in the forward line or midfield to earn cash along with your keeper options in Steven/Smith/McDonald and shift him forward using his DPP when you're ready to bring in Gawn with the funds.

It means you're starting a cheaper ruck still getting a keeper on another line and you aren't picking a stepping stone like the case would be with Jacobs/Nic Nat. It's no different to say starting Heeney in the mids and moving him forward later in the season once you have the funds to upgrade to a Neale/Macrae type.

Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 23, 2020, 07:27:37 AM
Petracca was insane yesterday.

If he plays as much mid time in Marsh 2 (can't see why he wouldn't) then he could be the answer to our forward line prem selection worries

Brayshaw not playing might have allowed him to have so much more mid time so we'd need to keep an eye on that, but Goodwin said yesterday that the amount of work Trac has done to increase his tank this summer allowed that - so that sounds very encouraging
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: shaker on February 23, 2020, 08:46:59 AM
Is there a limit to the amount of times a player burns you ? had Petracca on two other occassions and I am still applying cream to the wounds.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: frenzy on February 23, 2020, 10:05:53 AM
Is there a limit to the amount of times a player burns you ? had Petracca on two other occassions and I am still applying cream to the wounds.

Lol  ;D
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 23, 2020, 03:50:31 PM
Is there a limit to the amount of times a player burns you ? had Petracca on two other occassions and I am still applying cream to the wounds.

Haha, I've never had him afaik, but I did just see this comment from Goodwin which isn't great

"From game to game, we'll assess it" Simon Goodwin post game presser on the Christian Petracca midfield/forward percentage split
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: IntegralX on February 27, 2020, 10:31:11 PM
Very surprised that Dev got to 87. Didn't pass the eye test for me...
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 27, 2020, 10:33:25 PM
Very surprised that Dev got to 87. Didn't pass the eye test for me...

Agreed. I dropped him and moved bonar forward the other day and felt good about it.

Serong to the mids.

Sauce to Nic Nat.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Grazz on February 28, 2020, 08:20:40 AM
Very surprised that Dev got to 87. Didn't pass the eye test for me...

Agreed. I dropped him and moved bonar forward the other day and felt good about it.

Serong to the mids.

Sauce to Nic Nat.

Still holding him,  I'd be surprised if he plays that much forward time when the season kicks off proper.
Bombers were missing a couple of forwards from that game. (Stringer , Daniher)
Smith won a B&F (1st year) with them as a Mid, that's where he'll play predominantly in 2020 I'm tipping.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: jvalles69 on February 28, 2020, 10:25:13 AM
Very surprised that Dev got to 87. Didn't pass the eye test for me...

Agreed. I dropped him and moved bonar forward the other day and felt good about it.

Serong to the mids.

Sauce to Nic Nat.

Dev looked pretty average, but the fact he still got 87 keeps him in my team, maybe even more so now.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 28, 2020, 10:47:32 AM
Dev looked pretty average, but the fact he still got 87 keeps him in my team, maybe even more so now.

66 of that 87 was in the second half, when he attended 8 of his 9 CBA's and the likes of Merrett barely played

Need to see another match, but if I had to guess it's looking like it will be 2019 Dev in terms of position and not 2018 so he might be a pass

Shiel coming in, and the likes of McGrath/Parish etc growing is what I thought might stop him from 2018 mid version, and it could be the case
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: jvalles69 on February 28, 2020, 11:06:11 AM
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Need to see another match

Definitely, on the eye test I was ready to replace him until I checked the stats/scores, will leave him there for now.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: shaker on February 28, 2020, 11:46:33 AM
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Need to see another match

Definitely, on the eye test I was ready to replace him until I checked the stats/scores, will leave him there for now.
He hasn't played since R8 last year a game to blow the cobwebs out pleased to see him have 6 tackles think he will improve so he stays in his price to good to pass up.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Mat0369 on February 28, 2020, 12:50:05 PM
Dev has a high floor due to his tackle numbers. He and Ed Curnow were on record pace for tackles in a season when he won the B&F. He should give you a reliable option that won't wow you but will be a good F6 at worst.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Money Shot on February 28, 2020, 01:45:48 PM
Are people getting around the Petracca hype?

My forward line currently consists of:

Whitfield, Martin, Steven and Smith

Would dropping one of the first two players be stupid?
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: jvalles69 on February 28, 2020, 01:52:27 PM
Are people getting around the Petracca hype?

My forward line currently consists of:

Whitfield, Martin, Steven and Smith

Would dropping one of the first two players be stupid?

For Petracca I think so, for someone else maybe not...
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: IntegralX on February 28, 2020, 01:58:21 PM
Are people getting around the Petracca hype?

My forward line currently consists of:

Whitfield, Martin, Steven and Smith

Would dropping one of the first two players be stupid?

I dropped Dusty for Petracca...I was able to do heaps with the money though. I want to see another game out of CP before I lock him in but I really do like my team with him instead of Dusty. If I get cold feet it’s easy enough to go to Dawson/Parish/Greenwood/etc

My F1-4 right now is Whitfield Greenwood Petracca Bonar.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: MontyJnr on February 28, 2020, 02:09:31 PM
Devon is shaping up to be that awkward midpricer which becomes a disappointing top 15-20 forward that you're forced to keep because you have "bigger issues" to deal with...
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Money Shot on February 28, 2020, 02:17:29 PM
Devon is shaping up to be that awkward midpricer which becomes a disappointing top 15-20 forward that you're forced to keep because you have "bigger issues" to deal with...
Agreed I feel like he goes around 85. But for me I’ll take that as an F6.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Peter on February 28, 2020, 02:25:51 PM
I’m with Integral and MS
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: oh_lol on February 28, 2020, 02:50:33 PM
What's everyone's thoughts on Dusty? Will he be in a similar role to last year playing forward a fair bit?
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: MontyJnr on February 28, 2020, 04:02:35 PM
What's everyone's thoughts on Dusty? Will he be in a similar role to last year playing forward a fair bit?

Yeah it will probably be a similar role - difference is his typical 100-105 average looks good as a FWD premium now.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: enzedder on February 28, 2020, 04:38:35 PM
Moved Dev out for the moment. Brought in Walters. Thinking of going light in defence.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: IntegralX on February 29, 2020, 05:36:25 PM
Will Snelling anyone? 320k but tiny sample size but looked a whole lot more convincing than Dev did.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Southstorm on March 01, 2020, 04:09:10 PM
Will Snelling anyone? 320k but tiny sample size but looked a whole lot more convincing than Dev did.
He's too fringe at Essendon IMO. Could easily have 1-2 average games and be dropped for someone like Guelfi or Ham. At least with Dev you know he's going nowhere.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: IntegralX on March 01, 2020, 09:30:07 PM
Will Snelling anyone? 320k but tiny sample size but looked a whole lot more convincing than Dev did.
He's too fringe at Essendon IMO. Could easily have 1-2 average games and be dropped for someone like Guelfi or Ham. At least with Dev you know he's going nowhere.

I mean, I understand where you're coming from but in his 4 game career he's already shown that he'll be better than players like Guelfi, Gleeson and Ham ever will be.

I guess it's just wishful thinking on my part because that'd be the easiest Dev replacement in history.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: SilverLion on March 02, 2020, 04:34:12 PM
Will Snelling anyone? 320k but tiny sample size but looked a whole lot more convincing than Dev did.
He's too fringe at Essendon IMO. Could easily have 1-2 average games and be dropped for someone like Guelfi or Ham. At least with Dev you know he's going nowhere.

I mean, I understand where you're coming from but in his 4 game career he's already shown that he'll be better than players like Guelfi, Gleeson and Ham ever will be.

I guess it's just wishful thinking on my part because that'd be the easiest Dev replacement in history.
Why do you want a Dev replacement?
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: IntegralX on March 02, 2020, 07:50:19 PM
Doesn’t pass the eye test for me. 9 CBs only and got most of his points from intercept possessions, not something that I’d call the bread and butter of his game. Heppell slides straight back into that midfield too so there’s even less ball for him.

Dev looks like a trap.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: crowls on March 03, 2020, 01:38:19 PM
Will Snelling anyone? 320k but tiny sample size but looked a whole lot more convincing than Dev did.
He's too fringe at Essendon IMO. Could easily have 1-2 average games and be dropped for someone like Guelfi or Ham. At least with Dev you know he's going nowhere.

I mean, I understand where you're coming from but in his 4 game career he's already shown that he'll be better than players like Guelfi, Gleeson and Ham ever will be.

I guess it's just wishful thinking on my part because that'd be the easiest Dev replacement in history.
Why do you want a Dev replacement?
  I am with Integral on this.   Keener on Will Snelling than Dev.   Snelling has proven can score SC points at VFL level.  He is mature ager and only upside on scoring if he plays in the mids for the Bombers, capable of providing a 90-95+ avg and generating 200k cash.   If he ends up averaging that i would not want to trade him out and save a trade. 


Greenwood, Petracca also very attractive fwd options.  With Taranto out and Conigs likely to split time forward, I think Whitfield now has to start at F1 rather than an upgrade.  Tempted to not start Dusty but it is hard not see him in top 6 at end of year.    Currently have Whitfield, Dusty, Greenwood, Snelling. 


Petracca likely to be an early upgrade if he comes out kicking butt as I expect him too.

Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: jvalles69 on March 03, 2020, 02:06:13 PM
Snelling had 0 CBA's, that factor alone tells me he'll be a rollercoaster.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: crowls on March 03, 2020, 06:13:31 PM
Snelling had 0 CBA's, that factor alone tells me he'll be a rollercoaster.
Good point JV, did not notice the CBA's.    Still under consideration along with a Ceglar option and Stevens option.   All depends on starting rookies at the moment.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: SilverLion on March 03, 2020, 09:25:17 PM
Will Snelling anyone? 320k but tiny sample size but looked a whole lot more convincing than Dev did.
He's too fringe at Essendon IMO. Could easily have 1-2 average games and be dropped for someone like Guelfi or Ham. At least with Dev you know he's going nowhere.

I mean, I understand where you're coming from but in his 4 game career he's already shown that he'll be better than players like Guelfi, Gleeson and Ham ever will be.

I guess it's just wishful thinking on my part because that'd be the easiest Dev replacement in history.
Why do you want a Dev replacement?
  I am with Integral on this.   Keener on Will Snelling than Dev.   Snelling has proven can score SC points at VFL level.  He is mature ager and only upside on scoring if he plays in the mids for the Bombers, capable of providing a 90-95+ avg and generating 200k cash.   If he ends up averaging that i would not want to trade him out and save a trade. 


Greenwood, Petracca also very attractive fwd options.  With Taranto out and Conigs likely to split time forward, I think Whitfield now has to start at F1 rather than an upgrade.  Tempted to not start Dusty but it is hard not see him in top 6 at end of year.    Currently have Whitfield, Dusty, Greenwood, Snelling. 


Petracca likely to be an early upgrade if he comes out kicking butt as I expect him too.

Doesn’t pass the eye test for me. 9 CBs only and got most of his points from intercept possessions, not something that I’d call the bread and butter of his game. Heppell slides straight back into that midfield too so there’s even less ball for him.

Dev looks like a trap.

Interesting. Ive just always thought at his price, Dev was a lock. But he may become one of those guys that averages 80 odd, and ya get stuck with him because there's always a guy ya need to trade before him. Given me some food for thought.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 06, 2020, 09:07:19 AM
I only just realised that of all the forwards we have this year, just 8 went 90+ last year

LOL that's horrible

With that being the case, I am now convinced Dev is a lock in my side - even if goes 85+ that's going to be good enough for F6 especially when he only costs 335k
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on March 06, 2020, 03:12:44 PM
I only just realised that of all the forwards we have this year, just 8 went 90+ last year

LOL that's horrible

With that being the case, I am now convinced Dev is a lock in my side - even if goes 85+ that's going to be good enough for F6 especially when he only costs 335k

Haha dude, that’s why I was promoting ceglar. Doesn’t have to score that flash to be worthwhile selection. If he’s number 1 ruck 85 should be comfortable and provides that valuable ruck coverage.

Bad year for forwards
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: crowls on March 06, 2020, 05:04:13 PM
Taken from post in BigFooty  my comments in red

I know we say this every year, but the forward mid-price crop this year seem like the strongest we've had for a while. Probably also because the forward premos come with question marks and the forward rookies seem weak

De Goey - more time in the middle, will still kick goals unclear what increase in midtime he will get. I see him more like a Stringer than a Dangerfield.
Dawson - plays all over the field, racks up big numbers, kicks a lot - 22yr old, inc disposals almost double I50 and tripled R50 last year, another preseason and natural improvement.  High possibility of improvement.
Parish - more midfield time, another preseason  natural progression expected again
Greenwood - new team, major midfield role, tackle machine agree, 51 games, no changes in key stats last couple of years.  I expect his floor to improve and therefore overall average 5-10 points.  makes him 90-95 player.
Gresham - more midfield time, another preseason disposals, tackles, I50 all increased last year. 22yrs old, likely improver.  8 games under 80.  more likely to improve than greenwood.
Petracca - finally looks fit, major midfield role stats down on disp, i50, r50 maintained SC avg.  scoring dependant on his tank and time in the middle.  ??
Rozee - more time in the middle, will still kick goals - 13 under 80 last year.  2nd year player - rather wait and see
Ceglar - impressive scores when rucking alone, cover for Grundy/Gawn looks like 85-95 scorer if single ruck makes him viable option with ruck cover at F6/7
Wingard - more time in the middle, will still kick goals -biased against and is a no
Lynch - great end of 2019, good early run with games at the G, plays for the best team - KPP roller coaster nuff said
McDonald - finally fit, good scoring history, has huge scores in him - see above
Acres - permanent wing role, should get big disposal numbers - if plays around the ball, capable of 90 plus, not for me as I expected him to show more by now.
Smith - fallen premo, if he stays fit he'll average 90+ - may get back to 2018 numbers see that as his cieling though.

Some would argue there's a couple more

You look at the top few and they only need to increase their average by 5-10 to be a success. Obviously if you're paying $400k+ you're basically stuck with them for the year


Based on the numbers and profiles Dawson, Parish, Gresham, Ceglar appear most likely to improve.   Petracca, Greenwood will need to be evidence based on games during the season.  Still have this unjustified belief Greenwood will break out.     As our friend says you pay 400k you are stuck with them for a long time.   some reminders from last year  Billings, Moore, Brayshaw all ended up being anchors 

2019 Fwds -  5 players totalled >1999 points and 5 players avg >94  they were not the same players. 
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Gavdroid on March 06, 2020, 07:13:11 PM
Are we adding McPherson to the list now? Looked good in the two Marsh games
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Mat0369 on March 06, 2020, 08:02:41 PM
Trac is a lock.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: IntegralX on March 06, 2020, 09:22:02 PM
I'm settled with Whitfield at F1, then two of Greenwood/Petracca/Parish/Dawson/Gresham/McPherson/Ceglar at F2-3. I originally had 3 of them F2-4 but needed to cut money for Gawn. Might revert it if Marshall/Kreuzer/NN/Jacobs turn up.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Southstorm on March 06, 2020, 09:23:13 PM
Think there's much more value in the midprice options up forward this year than there is in the premiums, will be plenty of teams with a 1-3-2 structure.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 06, 2020, 09:39:48 PM
Trac is a lock.

54 at 3/4 time with 91% TOG

Everyone will jump off just as quick as they jumped on  ;D
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Mat0369 on March 06, 2020, 10:11:10 PM
He was at the majority of center bounces (with Brayshaw back in) and his pressure was phenomenal. The score didn't come but he passed the eye test. I'd pick him over Greenwood, Ceglar, Parish, Gresham, Rozee and Wingard.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 06, 2020, 10:18:44 PM
He was at the majority of center bounces (with Brayshaw back in) and his pressure was phenomenal. The score didn't come but he passed the eye test. I'd pick him over Greenwood, Ceglar, Parish, Gresham, Rozee and Wingard.

Unfortunately, his SC score is all that matters. 23 touches is encouraging though

Hard to ignore Ceglar now - clearly the #1 ruck, is scoring well and provides ruck cover. Seems like a hell of a lot of value for money
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Mat0369 on March 06, 2020, 10:20:57 PM
Scores don't really matter in the preseason. Especially for guys that are established 22. The fact he didn't get pushed out of the CB's with Brayshaw playing is the big one since that's where he needs to be to increase his output.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Southstorm on March 06, 2020, 10:22:19 PM
Agree with RD, Ceglar is the best of the mid price options IMO if not for scoring but for versatility to boot.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on March 06, 2020, 10:27:18 PM
He was at the majority of center bounces (with Brayshaw back in) and his pressure was phenomenal. The score didn't come but he passed the eye test. I'd pick him over Greenwood, Ceglar, Parish, Gresham, Rozee and Wingard.

At least 3 mentioned better picks but good luck
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: SilverLion on March 06, 2020, 10:28:56 PM
PeTRASHa
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 06, 2020, 10:29:15 PM
Scores don't really matter in the preseason. Especially for guys that are established 22. The fact he didn't get pushed out of the CB's with Brayshaw playing is the big one since that's where he needs to be to increase his output.

Eh, not sure I think his CBA's will make a huge difference

He had 23 touches, and put up 67

Last year he had 10 games of 20+ touches, and of those 10 only twice did he ton up, and barely, with 101 and 105

He was incredible last week, but how often is he going to get 38, 27 contested and kick a bag?

The talent is certainly there, but let's not get confused. He might well be a good pick, but to suggest he's a lock? Hardly

Hopefully for your sake he doesn't turn into Petrappa/Petrasha :P (shout out to Urbs!)
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Rusty00 on March 06, 2020, 11:14:32 PM
I was surprised with Petracca’s score as, like Matt, I thought he passed the “eye test”.

Does anyone know Ceglar’s score at 1/2 time, before Gawn exited?
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: SilverLion on March 06, 2020, 11:18:25 PM
I was surprised with Petracca’s score as, like Matt, I thought he passed the “eye test”.

Does anyone know Ceglar’s score at 1/2 time, before Gawn exited?
35 :) (Shout out to RD ;))
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: tommy10 on March 10, 2020, 04:32:23 PM
With the Marsh series over, what are people's thoughts around F3/F4 specifically? Likely that majority of coaches are picking either Whitfield & Dusty or Dusty & Walters?/Heeney/Greenwood/Parish/Dawson/Gresham as F1/F2. What about F3/F4?

Options are Ceglar (DPP ruck cover), Brayshaw (increased mid time), Narkle (great POD), Steven (looked great yesterday) and Dev (if it wasn't for clangers in 1st game, would have tonned up, great 2nd game). Macpherson has had another great Marsh series, but too risky perhaps and dont think you'd lose out too much if he has a few good games. Any two of these can become top 5 fwds by season's end?

Seems like a lot of you are going light in def and going a little heavy in fwds. Personally am thinking premo, premo, then 2 of the above mentioned players, then rookie rookie is the way to go.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: jvalles69 on March 10, 2020, 04:44:25 PM
With the Marsh series over, what are people's thoughts around F3/F4 specifically? Likely that majority of coaches are picking either Whitfield & Dusty or Dusty & Walters?/Heeney/Greenwood/Parish/Dawson/Gresham as F1/F2. What about F3/F4?

Options are Ceglar (DPP ruck cover), Brayshaw (increased mid time), Narkle (great POD), Steven (looked great yesterday) and Dev (if it wasn't for clangers in 1st game, would have tonned up, great 2nd game). Macpherson has had another great Marsh series, but too risky perhaps and dont think you'd lose out too much if he has a few good games. Any two of these can become top 5 fwds by season's end?

Seems like a lot of you are going light in def and going a little heavy in fwds. Personally am thinking premo, premo, then 2 of the above mentioned players, then rookie rookie is the way to go.

Not I, Dusty, Ceglar, Brayshaw, Steven and Dev. #YOLO
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: AN1611 on March 10, 2020, 04:46:40 PM
With the Marsh series over, what are people's thoughts around F3/F4 specifically? Likely that majority of coaches are picking either Whitfield & Dusty or Dusty & Walters?/Heeney/Greenwood/Parish/Dawson/Gresham as F1/F2. What about F3/F4?

Options are Ceglar (DPP ruck cover), Brayshaw (increased mid time), Narkle (great POD), Steven (looked great yesterday) and Dev (if it wasn't for clangers in 1st game, would have tonned up, great 2nd game). Macpherson has had another great Marsh series, but too risky perhaps and dont think you'd lose out too much if he has a few good games. Any two of these can become top 5 fwds by season's end?

Seems like a lot of you are going light in def and going a little heavy in fwds. Personally am thinking premo, premo, then 2 of the above mentioned players, then rookie rookie is the way to go.

Based on rookies this week, have decided to go light in the mids (this is assuming Tom Greene, Tyler Brown and etc. get picked).

Atm running Whitfield, Dusty, Ceglar, Steven, Smith and rookie. This is all subject to the rookies that pop up next week.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: jfitty on March 10, 2020, 04:50:17 PM
I'm currently rolling with:

Whitfield, Martin, Steven, Smith, Brander, Taylor

Just can't pick which of the ~450k players I like, so sticking with the 2 guns plus 2 cheaper guys I believe can average 90+
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: IntegralX on March 10, 2020, 05:46:40 PM
Smith looked much better this week, back into my team alongside Steven he goes!
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: tommy10 on March 10, 2020, 05:55:31 PM
I'm currently rolling with:

Whitfield, Martin, Steven, Smith, Brander, Taylor

Just can't pick which of the ~450k players I like, so sticking with the 2 guns plus 2 cheaper guys I believe can average 90+
Very similar to mine jfitty except I have Brander in def.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Money Shot on March 10, 2020, 07:12:15 PM
Whitfield, Martin, Steven, Smith, Rankine, King (Taylor, Mahoney) is currently mine. Just hoping the cheap rookies pop up for round one.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: dmac07 on March 10, 2020, 08:36:08 PM
Currently set up;

Whitfield, Martin, Dawson, Parish, Georgiades, Rankine (King, Taylor).

But I am running Noble at D3 down back. Have Brander down back and Budarick in the mids who can swing forward allowing for some flexibility.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Mat0369 on March 10, 2020, 10:08:32 PM
Right now I have Whitfield, Martin, Steven, Smith, Taylor, Brander, Rankine and King. Petracca and Greene are the others I have had at F3 with Dev at F5 or Steven in the midfield instead.

Like dmac also have Noble at D3. It's going to depend on rookies woth how I structure up
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on March 11, 2020, 12:06:19 AM
With the Marsh series over, what are people's thoughts around F3/F4 specifically? Likely that majority of coaches are picking either Whitfield & Dusty or Dusty & Walters?/Heeney/Greenwood/Parish/Dawson/Gresham as F1/F2. What about F3/F4?

Options are Ceglar (DPP ruck cover), Brayshaw (increased mid time), Narkle (great POD), Steven (looked great yesterday) and Dev (if it wasn't for clangers in 1st game, would have tonned up, great 2nd game). Macpherson has had another great Marsh series, but too risky perhaps and dont think you'd lose out too much if he has a few good games. Any two of these can become top 5 fwds by season's end?

Seems like a lot of you are going light in def and going a little heavy in fwds. Personally am thinking premo, premo, then 2 of the above mentioned players, then rookie rookie is the way to go.

Based on rookies this week, have decided to go light in the mids (this is assuming Tom Greene, Tyler Brown and etc. get picked).

Atm running Whitfield, Dusty, Ceglar, Steven, Smith and rookie. This is all subject to the rookies that pop up next week.

I would like to get to this.

Duno how you get to this unless you sacrifice Gawn.

Still thinking sauce and this forward line
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2020, 12:22:00 AM
With the Marsh series over, what are people's thoughts around F3/F4 specifically? Likely that majority of coaches are picking either Whitfield & Dusty or Dusty & Walters?/Heeney/Greenwood/Parish/Dawson/Gresham as F1/F2. What about F3/F4?

Options are Ceglar (DPP ruck cover), Brayshaw (increased mid time), Narkle (great POD), Steven (looked great yesterday) and Dev (if it wasn't for clangers in 1st game, would have tonned up, great 2nd game). Macpherson has had another great Marsh series, but too risky perhaps and dont think you'd lose out too much if he has a few good games. Any two of these can become top 5 fwds by season's end?

Seems like a lot of you are going light in def and going a little heavy in fwds. Personally am thinking premo, premo, then 2 of the above mentioned players, then rookie rookie is the way to go.

Based on rookies this week, have decided to go light in the mids (this is assuming Tom Greene, Tyler Brown and etc. get picked).

Atm running Whitfield, Dusty, Ceglar, Steven, Smith and rookie. This is all subject to the rookies that pop up next week.

I would like to get to this.

Duno how you get to this unless you sacrifice Gawn.

Still thinking sauce and this forward line

You can certainly do it while maintaining GG

Noble at D3 and Conigs at M5 instead of Macrae/Neale type allows it
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on March 11, 2020, 07:43:57 AM
With the Marsh series over, what are people's thoughts around F3/F4 specifically? Likely that majority of coaches are picking either Whitfield & Dusty or Dusty & Walters?/Heeney/Greenwood/Parish/Dawson/Gresham as F1/F2. What about F3/F4?

Options are Ceglar (DPP ruck cover), Brayshaw (increased mid time), Narkle (great POD), Steven (looked great yesterday) and Dev (if it wasn't for clangers in 1st game, would have tonned up, great 2nd game). Macpherson has had another great Marsh series, but too risky perhaps and dont think you'd lose out too much if he has a few good games. Any two of these can become top 5 fwds by season's end?

Seems like a lot of you are going light in def and going a little heavy in fwds. Personally am thinking premo, premo, then 2 of the above mentioned players, then rookie rookie is the way to go.

Based on rookies this week, have decided to go light in the mids (this is assuming Tom Greene, Tyler Brown and etc. get picked).

Atm running Whitfield, Dusty, Ceglar, Steven, Smith and rookie. This is all subject to the rookies that pop up next week.

I would like to get to this.

Duno how you get to this unless you sacrifice Gawn.

Still thinking sauce and this forward line

You can certainly do it while maintaining GG

Noble at D3 and Conigs at M5 instead of Macrae/Neale type allows it

Haha yeah but no chance I’m starting noble at d3- that’s nuts

That being said. Yes I have worked a few cash grabs around and managed to get this done including young still at d6.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: tommy10 on March 11, 2020, 08:53:14 AM
With the Marsh series over, what are people's thoughts around F3/F4 specifically? Likely that majority of coaches are picking either Whitfield & Dusty or Dusty & Walters?/Heeney/Greenwood/Parish/Dawson/Gresham as F1/F2. What about F3/F4?

Options are Ceglar (DPP ruck cover), Brayshaw (increased mid time), Narkle (great POD), Steven (looked great yesterday) and Dev (if it wasn't for clangers in 1st game, would have tonned up, great 2nd game). Macpherson has had another great Marsh series, but too risky perhaps and dont think you'd lose out too much if he has a few good games. Any two of these can become top 5 fwds by season's end?

Seems like a lot of you are going light in def and going a little heavy in fwds. Personally am thinking premo, premo, then 2 of the above mentioned players, then rookie rookie is the way to go.

Based on rookies this week, have decided to go light in the mids (this is assuming Tom Greene, Tyler Brown and etc. get picked).

Atm running Whitfield, Dusty, Ceglar, Steven, Smith and rookie. This is all subject to the rookies that pop up next week.

I would like to get to this.

Duno how you get to this unless you sacrifice Gawn.

Still thinking sauce and this forward line

You can certainly do it while maintaining GG

Noble at D3 and Conigs at M5 instead of Macrae/Neale type allows it

Haha yeah but no chance I’m starting noble at d3- that’s nuts

That being said. Yes I have worked a few cash grabs around and managed to get this done including young still at d6.
I’m starting Robbo at D3 and Noble at D4 to keep GG
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: AN1611 on March 11, 2020, 10:28:58 AM
With the Marsh series over, what are people's thoughts around F3/F4 specifically? Likely that majority of coaches are picking either Whitfield & Dusty or Dusty & Walters?/Heeney/Greenwood/Parish/Dawson/Gresham as F1/F2. What about F3/F4?

Options are Ceglar (DPP ruck cover), Brayshaw (increased mid time), Narkle (great POD), Steven (looked great yesterday) and Dev (if it wasn't for clangers in 1st game, would have tonned up, great 2nd game). Macpherson has had another great Marsh series, but too risky perhaps and dont think you'd lose out too much if he has a few good games. Any two of these can become top 5 fwds by season's end?

Seems like a lot of you are going light in def and going a little heavy in fwds. Personally am thinking premo, premo, then 2 of the above mentioned players, then rookie rookie is the way to go.

Based on rookies this week, have decided to go light in the mids (this is assuming Tom Greene, Tyler Brown and etc. get picked).

Atm running Whitfield, Dusty, Ceglar, Steven, Smith and rookie. This is all subject to the rookies that pop up next week.

I would like to get to this.

Duno how you get to this unless you sacrifice Gawn.

Still thinking sauce and this forward line

You can certainly do it while maintaining GG

Noble at D3 and Conigs at M5 instead of Macrae/Neale type allows it

Haha yeah but no chance I’m starting noble at d3- that’s nuts

That being said. Yes I have worked a few cash grabs around and managed to get this done including young still at d6.

Team is:

Def:
Laird, Houston, Doch, Noble, Zerk, Williamson (Brander, Williams)

Mid:
Neale, Cripps, Fyfe, Dunk, Rowell, T.Green, Pickett, Tyler Brown (Budarick, D.Robertson, Starevich)

Rucks:
Grundy, Gawn (Xerri)

Fwd:
Whitty, Dusty, Ceglar, Steven, Devon, Taylor (Rankine, King)

All dependent on T.Green and T.Brown getting a gig tbh
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: IntegralX on March 11, 2020, 10:29:55 AM
With the Marsh series over, what are people's thoughts around F3/F4 specifically? Likely that majority of coaches are picking either Whitfield & Dusty or Dusty & Walters?/Heeney/Greenwood/Parish/Dawson/Gresham as F1/F2. What about F3/F4?

Options are Ceglar (DPP ruck cover), Brayshaw (increased mid time), Narkle (great POD), Steven (looked great yesterday) and Dev (if it wasn't for clangers in 1st game, would have tonned up, great 2nd game). Macpherson has had another great Marsh series, but too risky perhaps and dont think you'd lose out too much if he has a few good games. Any two of these can become top 5 fwds by season's end?

Seems like a lot of you are going light in def and going a little heavy in fwds. Personally am thinking premo, premo, then 2 of the above mentioned players, then rookie rookie is the way to go.

Based on rookies this week, have decided to go light in the mids (this is assuming Tom Greene, Tyler Brown and etc. get picked).

Atm running Whitfield, Dusty, Ceglar, Steven, Smith and rookie. This is all subject to the rookies that pop up next week.

I would like to get to this.

Duno how you get to this unless you sacrifice Gawn.

Still thinking sauce and this forward line

You can certainly do it while maintaining GG

Noble at D3 and Conigs at M5 instead of Macrae/Neale type allows it

Haha yeah but no chance I’m starting noble at d3- that’s nuts

That being said. Yes I have worked a few cash grabs around and managed to get this done including young still at d6.
I’m starting Robbo at D3 and Noble at D4 to keep GG

Yep that’s pretty much how to keep GG. I have B. Williams (WBD) at d3 right now.

Fwds are Whitfield Greenwood Steven Smith f1-f4.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on March 11, 2020, 12:18:25 PM
With the Marsh series over, what are people's thoughts around F3/F4 specifically? Likely that majority of coaches are picking either Whitfield & Dusty or Dusty & Walters?/Heeney/Greenwood/Parish/Dawson/Gresham as F1/F2. What about F3/F4?

Options are Ceglar (DPP ruck cover), Brayshaw (increased mid time), Narkle (great POD), Steven (looked great yesterday) and Dev (if it wasn't for clangers in 1st game, would have tonned up, great 2nd game). Macpherson has had another great Marsh series, but too risky perhaps and dont think you'd lose out too much if he has a few good games. Any two of these can become top 5 fwds by season's end?

Seems like a lot of you are going light in def and going a little heavy in fwds. Personally am thinking premo, premo, then 2 of the above mentioned players, then rookie rookie is the way to go.

Based on rookies this week, have decided to go light in the mids (this is assuming Tom Greene, Tyler Brown and etc. get picked).

Atm running Whitfield, Dusty, Ceglar, Steven, Smith and rookie. This is all subject to the rookies that pop up next week.

I would like to get to this.

Duno how you get to this unless you sacrifice Gawn.

Still thinking sauce and this forward line

You can certainly do it while maintaining GG

Noble at D3 and Conigs at M5 instead of Macrae/Neale type allows it

Haha yeah but no chance I’m starting noble at d3- that’s nuts

That being said. Yes I have worked a few cash grabs around and managed to get this done including young still at d6.

Team is:

Def:
Laird, Houston, Doch, Noble, Zerk, Williamson (Brander, Williams)

Mid:
Neale, Cripps, Fyfe, Dunk, Rowell, T.Green, Pickett, Tyler Brown (Budarick, D.Robertson, Starevich)

Rucks:
Grundy, Gawn (Xerri)

Fwd:
Whitty, Dusty, Ceglar, Steven, Devon, Taylor (Rankine, King)

All dependent on T.Green and T.Brown getting a gig tbh

Ahh ok.

Yeah ya literally have to go 5 deep in midfield because Tyler brown is way too risky. Yes Adams is injured but also had treloar out.

He will trap a few
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: AN1611 on March 11, 2020, 12:42:00 PM
With the Marsh series over, what are people's thoughts around F3/F4 specifically? Likely that majority of coaches are picking either Whitfield & Dusty or Dusty & Walters?/Heeney/Greenwood/Parish/Dawson/Gresham as F1/F2. What about F3/F4?

Options are Ceglar (DPP ruck cover), Brayshaw (increased mid time), Narkle (great POD), Steven (looked great yesterday) and Dev (if it wasn't for clangers in 1st game, would have tonned up, great 2nd game). Macpherson has had another great Marsh series, but too risky perhaps and dont think you'd lose out too much if he has a few good games. Any two of these can become top 5 fwds by season's end?

Seems like a lot of you are going light in def and going a little heavy in fwds. Personally am thinking premo, premo, then 2 of the above mentioned players, then rookie rookie is the way to go.

Based on rookies this week, have decided to go light in the mids (this is assuming Tom Greene, Tyler Brown and etc. get picked).

Atm running Whitfield, Dusty, Ceglar, Steven, Smith and rookie. This is all subject to the rookies that pop up next week.

I would like to get to this.

Duno how you get to this unless you sacrifice Gawn.

Still thinking sauce and this forward line

You can certainly do it while maintaining GG

Noble at D3 and Conigs at M5 instead of Macrae/Neale type allows it

Haha yeah but no chance I’m starting noble at d3- that’s nuts

That being said. Yes I have worked a few cash grabs around and managed to get this done including young still at d6.

Team is:

Def:
Laird, Houston, Doch, Noble, Zerk, Williamson (Brander, Williams)

Mid:
Neale, Cripps, Fyfe, Dunk, Rowell, T.Green, Pickett, Tyler Brown (Budarick, D.Robertson, Starevich)

Rucks:
Grundy, Gawn (Xerri)

Fwd:
Whitty, Dusty, Ceglar, Steven, Devon, Taylor (Rankine, King)

All dependent on T.Green and T.Brown getting a gig tbh

Ahh ok.

Yeah ya literally have to go 5 deep in midfield because Tyler brown is way too risky. Yes Adams is injured but also had treloar out.

He will trap a few

Haha yep definitely a big risk.

I am basing it on how he looked in the Marsh Series, and Pendles giving him a good rap.

If he doesn't get up, the plan is to cut Ceglar or Devon Smith - move Houston to M5 and bring in Sicily.

Although, I really want to start Dangerfield. Looked very sharp on the weekend, barring his kicking lol
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2020, 12:44:25 PM
Pretty sure Pendles gave Callum a good wrap, not Tyler

Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 18, 2020, 01:40:19 PM
Mitch Cleary (@cleary_mitch)
Chris Scott says Joel Selwood and Mitch Duncan will play but Jack Steven “unlikely” should GWS clash go ahead @AFLcomau

You have to laugh  :'(
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Gavdroid on March 18, 2020, 01:43:02 PM
Mitch Cleary (@cleary_mitch)
Chris Scott says Joel Selwood and Mitch Duncan will play but Jack Steven “unlikely” should GWS clash go ahead @AFLcomau

You have to laugh  :'(

Bad news for anyone wanting to start Steven, but with people now looking for bargains I think this could make Jelwood a real option for m6
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: jfitty on March 18, 2020, 01:47:39 PM
Mitch Cleary (@cleary_mitch)
Chris Scott says Joel Selwood and Mitch Duncan will play but Jack Steven “unlikely” should GWS clash go ahead @AFLcomau

You have to laugh  :'(

Bugger it!

I've now started considering one of Steven's teammates, who the 17 game season could really favour..
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Samsturmfels on March 18, 2020, 03:30:27 PM
if steven doesnt play, what is your backup plan?
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: frenzy on March 18, 2020, 03:37:17 PM
if steven doesnt play, what is your backup plan?

Tmac for me
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on March 18, 2020, 04:56:46 PM
if steven doesnt play, what is your backup plan?

Just field Max King and bench Steven  ;D
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RoughRed on March 18, 2020, 05:03:34 PM
if steven doesnt play, what is your backup plan?

Just field Max King and bench Steven  ;D
+1
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Money Shot on March 18, 2020, 05:09:41 PM
Mitch Cleary (@cleary_mitch)
Chris Scott says Joel Selwood and Mitch Duncan will play but Jack Steven “unlikely” should GWS clash go ahead @AFLcomau

You have to laugh  :'(

Bugger it!

I've now started considering one of Steven's teammates, who the 17 game season could really favour..

If he wasn’t so expensive I’d strongly consider the little master too.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: dylanclements on March 19, 2020, 10:51:05 AM
Mitch Cleary (@cleary_mitch)
Chris Scott says Joel Selwood and Mitch Duncan will play but Jack Steven “unlikely” should GWS clash go ahead @AFLcomau

You have to laugh  :'(

Bugger it!

I've now started considering one of Steven's teammates, who the 17 game season could really favour..

If he wasn’t so expensive I’d strongly consider the little master too.

Very seriously considering this too  :o
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Mat0369 on March 19, 2020, 01:11:27 PM
Down to Fort or up to TMac/Ceglar/Trac
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: wizlad on March 21, 2020, 04:27:51 PM
brayshaw was doing well when he was on the field, 80% time and not missing those easy goals is an easy 95+
that said, having a player who plays 10 mins a quarter is a huge liability
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: jfitty on March 21, 2020, 04:36:13 PM
brayshaw was doing well when he was on the field, 80% time and not missing those easy goals is an easy 95+
that said, having a player who plays 10 mins a quarter is a huge liability

Hopefully Steven gets named next week so we can ditch Brayshaw.

Never would have thought a new coach would play him less than Ross. Seriously