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Title: Top 5 forwards
Post by: meow meow on December 27, 2019, 02:32:30 PM
Who will they be? Why? What will they average?

Surely Whitfield #1. As long as he doesn't miss too many through injury he will be in the top group.

Then who?
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on December 27, 2019, 02:46:38 PM
Forward but if a raffle after whitfield Walters Martin.

Heeney probably lock for top 10.

Lots of roller coaster riders after that.

Watching Hugh greenwood in preseason to see how much midfield he will play as nicely priced with good mid exposure.

Feel like defense safer than forward so perhaps Dawson more a play forward but still a wait and see for me.

Jack Steven gotta be a big chance if he shows any signs of fitness and form.



Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: meow meow on December 27, 2019, 02:55:50 PM
I'd say Steven's ceiling is 95. He's 30 years old, needs to get fit, new team to adjust to that already has big dogs running the show, where he was the big dog at the saints. A couple of years ago he was averaging 103-104 and it's unlikely that he has back there.

Still, 95 should do nicely for F4-F6
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on December 27, 2019, 04:59:12 PM
I've had a close look at all the forward options, and I think it's fair to say that 90 is the benchmark this year

Whitfield, Dusty, Walters and Heeney are the only 4 high end prems I would consider, as they're capable of 95+ and I don't think there's many other fwds who can do that

Then I'd be looking at Buddy/Tmac/Steven/Dev as I am very confident those 4 will be able to match or go close enough to anyone else that's up there besides the 4 prems I mentioned,  and are bargain priced

Start 2-4 of Whit/Dusty/Walters/Heeney and 2-4 of Buddy/Tmac/Steven/Dev. Forget about the rest


Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: GoLions on December 27, 2019, 05:34:42 PM
Would chuck a sneaky fiddy on Stepho for top 10
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: LordSneeze on December 27, 2019, 06:24:45 PM
Lets say 90 is the passing mark and what you need to be looking for in your starters.

Right now id be saying
Whitfield, Martin, Heeney are the locks for a 90+
Walters, Ablett, Greene all have strong potential to be 90+ but have Injury, Age or Suspension risks in picking
Everything else after that is a raffle.
Thought for me is to start 2 of Whitfield, Martin & Heeney then 1 breakout option (Greenwood possibly) then a Mid price at M4 (Smith, Franklin Etc)

Whitfield - 3 years over 90, priced at 111, risk of overpaying if starting. Should be a lock for the top 6.
Walters - 1 Year over 90, Priced at 100, has only had 2 years playing all games in his career and only 1 good year of scoring. Might be top 6, but not a lock.
Martin - 8 years over 90 and 5 years over 100. This year is his lowest starting price since 2014, Should be a lock for top 6
Ablett - Has averaged over 90 in every year of supercoach. At 35 he isn't a lock for top 6, but if he is fit and playing you will be a brave man to say he wouldn't be.
Heeney - 3 straight years over 90 and should be able to again. Should be a lock for a 90+ average.
Greene - 5 years over 90, has been known to have brain snaps and while he should be solid for a 90 average, if you pick him and he does snap you lose out on the players who took the other options.
Cameron - 1 year over 90, no guarantee to be a top 6 and likely to drop off from last year.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: crowls on December 27, 2019, 07:26:53 PM
as usual great summary ls.    lot of risk/reward in fwds this year will make for an interesting year
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: meow meow on December 28, 2019, 03:17:32 PM
Darcy Parish to breakout as a full time mid.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Peter on December 28, 2019, 04:03:59 PM
Thoughts on Ceglar? Allegedly taking first ruck spot, 90 points average for a forward, DPP with Cameron?
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: meow meow on December 28, 2019, 07:01:05 PM
Why is everyone picking Whitfield?

Averaged over 100 for the first time this year, but he missed 6 matches in 2 patches. If you pay up for him and he gives the exact same output would you be happy with it? No. You'd cop rookie scores and have to burn trades.

Let's see a 21 match season at 110 then you'll be a no brainer. Until then you're overpriced! I'll be spending my money on more reliable guns in the midfield.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: meow meow on December 28, 2019, 07:07:26 PM
Thoughts on Ceglar? Allegedly taking first ruck spot, 90 points average for a forward, DPP with Cameron?

2 bad matches in a row and Big Boy is back in there. Big risk.

I can see the appeal of the DPP as one of GG is going to miss at some point but I don't think Ceglar will average 90 or be worthy of F6.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on December 29, 2019, 08:49:34 AM
Thoughts on Ceglar? Allegedly taking first ruck spot, 90 points average for a forward, DPP with Cameron?

2 bad matches in a row and Big Boy is back in there. Big risk.

I can see the appeal of the DPP as one of GG is going to miss at some point but I don't think Ceglar will average 90 or be worthy of F6.

There's no upside starting him

He needs to be a keeper at that price. I'll happily pay the extra 50k for him later on if it looks like he's R1 and constantly putting up good scores, but I doubt it's going to happen
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: coglan13 on December 29, 2019, 12:21:39 PM
Why is everyone picking Whitfield?

Averaged over 100 for the first time this year, but he missed 6 matches in 2 patches. If you pay up for him and he gives the exact same output would you be happy with it? No. You'd cop rookie scores and have to burn trades.

Let's see a 21 match season at 110 then you'll be a no brainer. Until then you're overpriced! I'll be spending my money on more reliable guns in the midfield.
Definitely overpriced but can you afford to not start him? Should be a definite top 6 forward barring injury. If he starts the season in form and you don't have him then you'll be playing catch up from day 1. Risky to not start him.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: LordSneeze on December 29, 2019, 03:23:40 PM
Why is everyone picking Whitfield?

Averaged over 100 for the first time this year, but he missed 6 matches in 2 patches. If you pay up for him and he gives the exact same output would you be happy with it? No. You'd cop rookie scores and have to burn trades.

Let's see a 21 match season at 110 then you'll be a no brainer. Until then you're overpriced! I'll be spending my money on more reliable guns in the midfield.
Definitely overpriced but can you afford to not start him? Should be a definite top 6 forward barring injury. If he starts the season in form and you don't have him then you'll be playing catch up from day 1. Risky to not start him.
Its not needed to start him, but you need atleast 2 top 6 to start otherwise your playing catchup. He is likely to be number 1 fwd so a safe pick.

Personally im not starting him at this point as going Grundy and Gawn the extra $ is needed.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Mat0369 on December 29, 2019, 06:08:35 PM
I've had a close look at all the forward options, and I think it's fair to say that 90 is the benchmark this year

Whitfield, Dusty, Walters and Heeney are the only 4 high end prems I would consider, as they're capable of 95+ and I don't think there's many other fwds who can do that

Then I'd be looking at Buddy/Tmac/Steven/Dev as I am very confident those 4 will be able to match or go close enough to anyone else that's up there besides the 4 prems I mentioned,  and are bargain priced

Start 2-4 of Whit/Dusty/Walters/Heeney and 2-4 of Buddy/Tmac/Steven/Dev. Forget about the rest

Swap T-Mac with Acres. I see him going 85 at worst on the wing.

The one that would take the big balls to start but could win you the whole thing is Greene. He tore the back end of the season to shreds but also played a lot through the middle due to injuries.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: meow meow on December 29, 2019, 06:29:48 PM
Not much love for JZ. Surely as good a chance as any to average 95+
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Fid on December 29, 2019, 06:39:49 PM
I've had a close look at all the forward options, and I think it's fair to say that 90 is the benchmark this year

Whitfield, Dusty, Walters and Heeney are the only 4 high end prems I would consider, as they're capable of 95+ and I don't think there's many other fwds who can do that

Then I'd be looking at Buddy/Tmac/Steven/Dev as I am very confident those 4 will be able to match or go close enough to anyone else that's up there besides the 4 prems I mentioned,  and are bargain priced

Start 2-4 of Whit/Dusty/Walters/Heeney and 2-4 of Buddy/Tmac/Steven/Dev. Forget about the rest

Any love for Stephen Hill?  I have him down back but still?
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Mat0369 on December 29, 2019, 07:12:01 PM
Isn't Hill sub 200k? I'll probably go lighter down back and slot him in at D5/D6
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on December 29, 2019, 09:47:16 PM
I've had a close look at all the forward options, and I think it's fair to say that 90 is the benchmark this year

Whitfield, Dusty, Walters and Heeney are the only 4 high end prems I would consider, as they're capable of 95+ and I don't think there's many other fwds who can do that

Then I'd be looking at Buddy/Tmac/Steven/Dev as I am very confident those 4 will be able to match or go close enough to anyone else that's up there besides the 4 prems I mentioned,  and are bargain priced

Start 2-4 of Whit/Dusty/Walters/Heeney and 2-4 of Buddy/Tmac/Steven/Dev. Forget about the rest

Any love for Stephen Hill?  I have him down back but still?

Yeah I didn't even mention him because he's basically a rookie at that price. No brainer if he plays R1

Not much love for JZ. Surely as good a chance as any to average 95+

He went 95 once, 7 years ago

The 8 guys I mentioned are literally the only 8 forwards I am considering

JZ, Cameron etc are not good picks at their price, and GAJ/Greene etc have injury/suspension risks

I had Walters in my 8 but that was just because he went 100 - reality is the other 7 are the only 7 fwds I'm really considering
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: SilverLion on January 04, 2020, 06:25:52 PM
Lock in Martin and Whitfield. Then go one or two of Dev/Steven/Franklin and rookies.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: meow meow on January 06, 2020, 07:12:46 PM

Not much love for JZ. Surely as good a chance as any to average 95+

He went 95 once, 7 years ago

JZ had the 8th best average, but was the 6th best forward last year out of all the 2020 listed forwards when you factor in games missed.

He played 22 at 90.9.

Toby and Jezza averaged more but missed games so there's either burnt trades or replacement scores (probably from rookies unless you had an extra premo to cover).

Average of 94.3 post bye. Shaw knows where to play him.

Shouldn't dismiss so soon.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: meow meow on January 06, 2020, 07:18:16 PM
Terrible first 5 rounds at 71.5 then went at 96.6 for the remainder of the year.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 06, 2020, 09:56:00 PM
Pay full price for JZ when the likes of Bud, Tmac, Steven and Dev are a truck load cheaper

No thanks
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Holz on January 07, 2020, 02:22:24 PM
Pay full price for JZ when the likes of Bud, Tmac, Steven and Dev are a truck load cheaper

No thanks

while im not picking him all 4 of those guys have reasons they are priced below JZ. He has gone back to back 22 game seasons and when in role he easily goes 90+

id rather go Greene though at that price point even though he is a little injury prone.

JZ is likely just going to be a ok solid pick unless he is played FF alot which i dont think he will.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 07, 2020, 05:08:19 PM
JZ should go 90ish, I'm not saying he's a bad pick per se, but at his price surely the likes of Dusty and Heeney are much better picks, and I have to assume nobody is starting 4 full priced fwds so JZ isn't a starting option for that reason
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: coglan13 on January 08, 2020, 12:09:46 PM
Buddy just had knee surgery. Might still make round 1 but I'm crossing him off my list as a starter.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: jvalles69 on January 08, 2020, 12:14:15 PM
Buddy just had knee surgery. Might still make round 1 but I'm crossing him off my list as a starter.

Annoying for those who had crossed him off already.  ::)
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: duffercoat on January 14, 2020, 01:49:41 PM
Anyone looked at Brad Ebert?

Averaged 100 pre-concussion and then was a shell of himself after he came back.

Priced at 76 (416k) makes him a reasonable mid-price forward.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Peter on January 14, 2020, 05:54:28 PM
No one at Port  is SC relevant
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 15, 2020, 12:44:42 AM
No one at Port  is SC relevant

Houston/DBJ are legit options for DEF, but I don't think I'd be looking at any forwards

I'm sure Robbie Gray will do something to tempt me at some stage  :-X
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Southstorm on January 22, 2020, 10:01:06 PM
One I'm most unsure about is Whitfield. His body is seemingly made of play-doh, he's susceptible to the tag and he's starting at a high watermark of $600k but his scoring potential is huge and as such if he gets a run at it, there's a chance he won't be any cheaper at the bye rounds.

I know I'm going to finish the season with him in my team, question is start with him or without him.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: IntegralX on January 22, 2020, 10:46:57 PM
Looking at the forwards this year and my only reaction is "thanks I hate it"

Whitfield, Dusty and Greene were the only premos I was seriously considering; the first 2 are a near certainty to finish 1-2 so decision made I guess.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Hoggyz_a_legend on January 23, 2020, 07:47:48 AM
One I'm most unsure about is Whitfield. His body is seemingly made of play-doh, he's susceptible to the tag and he's starting at a high watermark of $600k but his scoring potential is huge and as such if he gets a run at it, there's a chance he won't be any cheaper at the bye rounds.

I know I'm going to finish the season with him in my team, question is start with him or without him.

This is my exact thinking. Only reason I'm not starting Kelly is cos of his durability. Scoring is unquestionable, but body? Not so much.

Whitfield will be one of the top avging players, let alone fwds. But does he play 20+ games? Not so sure.

At the moment he's in, but he's not as locked as my mids and rucks.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Money Shot on January 24, 2020, 11:17:43 AM
1. Martin
2. Whitfield
3. Heeney
4. Steven
5. Greenwood

Parish another smokie.

My top 5 based on average this year.

Whitfield, Martin, Steven, Smith my starting lineup.

Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: crowls on January 24, 2020, 12:37:43 PM
1. Martin
2. Whitfield
3. Heeney
4. Steven
5. Greenwood

Parish another smokie.

My top 5 based on average this year.

Whitfield, Martin, Steven, Smith my starting lineup.
I agree MS, likely to be a few others bubble during the season, I had Parish for a large part of last year and expect to see him continue to develop consistency.  85 downside with 95 as upside.  IF I had the funds it would be martin, heeney, greenwood and steven to start and whitfield an early upgrade option. 
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: LordSneeze on January 24, 2020, 05:22:34 PM
1. Martin
2. Whitfield
3. Heeney
4. Steven
5. Greenwood

Parish another smokie.

My top 5 based on average this year.

Whitfield, Martin, Steven, Smith my starting lineup.
I agree MS, likely to be a few others bubble during the season, I had Parish for a large part of last year and expect to see him continue to develop consistency.  85 downside with 95 as upside.  IF I had the funds it would be martin, heeney, greenwood and steven to start and whitfield an early upgrade option.

That is my ideal starting 4 for the forward line. Not sure if there funds will be there for 3P + 1MP
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Woppa15 on January 25, 2020, 01:51:18 PM
Normally like to keep away from key forwards but anyone think another year for ‘The Rat’ and addition of Jenkins to Geelong could help Hawkins? Take some pressure off and also remove the predictability of being the only real inside 50 target?

Would be a risk.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on January 25, 2020, 07:36:22 PM
Laughing at the people with doubts on whitfield.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Peter on January 25, 2020, 08:20:27 PM
Agreed - talk about in same breath as GG
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Bones Bombers on January 25, 2020, 09:32:03 PM
It will all come down to the rookies. If there are enough forward rookies available and looking good I’ll start Cripps as my fifth mid. If not, I’ll start Whitfield and play an extra mid rookie.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: IntegralX on January 25, 2020, 11:54:48 PM
Everyone in this thread sleeping on Michael Walters. Given how weak the fwds are this year he should be a lock for top 5. I wouldn't start him though as he's fully priced.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Peter on January 26, 2020, 06:35:50 AM
Had him for ages, but changed him as he is “fully priced”
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on January 29, 2020, 11:03:43 PM
I've had a close look at all the forward options, and I think it's fair to say that 90 is the benchmark this year

Whitfield, Dusty, Walters and Heeney are the only 4 high end prems I would consider, as they're capable of 95+ and I don't think there's many other fwds who can do that

Then I'd be looking at Buddy/Tmac/Steven/Dev as I am very confident those 4 will be able to match or go close enough to anyone else that's up there besides the 4 prems I mentioned,  and are bargain priced

Start 2-4 of Whit/Dusty/Walters/Heeney and 2-4 of Buddy/Tmac/Steven/Dev. Forget about the rest

Swap T-Mac with Acres. I see him going 85 at worst on the wing.

The one that would take the big balls to start but could win you the whole thing is Greene. He tore the back end of the season to shreds but also played a lot through the middle due to injuries.

I’ll throw one more in and that’s big Tom Lynch. Someone I’m considering starting ahead of heeney/Walters if I can make the coin work and should be unique as.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: IntegralX on January 30, 2020, 11:48:44 PM
Steven getting a calf injury has put a line through him for me. I’ve got Smith for now, but I’m actually very keen to watch Acres at Freo. Should get 22 games on the opposite wing to Hill. 387k is a tad awkward but I like the upside.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: coglan13 on January 31, 2020, 07:50:49 AM
Reportedly only a 1 week injury for Steven. I wouldn't write him off just yet.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2020, 09:00:54 AM
Reportedly only a 1 week injury for Steven. I wouldn't write him off just yet.

Might just be the 1 week, but you hate hearing "calf" when it's an older player

A solid outing in the Marsh series would be nice
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Ringo on January 31, 2020, 09:24:17 AM
Reportedly only a 1 week injury for Steven. I wouldn't write him off just yet.

Might just be the 1 week, but you hate hearing "calf" when it's an older player

A solid outing in the Marsh series would be nice
Agree with RD here how many Calf injuries to older players have we seen grow out to weeks over the years. Will need to show something in Marsh Cup with fair amount on TOG to come back into my team.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: crowls on January 31, 2020, 08:15:52 PM
Calves,  the injury that keeps on giving.    unless he is full fitness for marsh will have to swap him out for dev,
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: oh_lol on February 09, 2020, 07:04:17 PM
Anyone like the look of Darcy? Had him sitting in my team for a bit.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: enzedder on February 13, 2020, 06:13:21 PM
Longmire reports yesterday stated Heeney is likely to spend considerable time fwd. Not that much of a surprise. Still be an okay pick. I wasn't planning on starting him anyway. Certainly not now.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: oh_lol on February 14, 2020, 03:43:12 PM
I would've thought he'd play more mid this year after Swans picked up Lewis Taylor and Sam Gray as well as their young players like Blakely stepping up.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 14, 2020, 04:29:58 PM
I would've thought he'd play more mid this year after Swans picked up Lewis Taylor and Sam Gray as well as their young players like Blakely stepping up.

Like Horse said he will still play fwd, and that's probably because he's their most dynamic forward outside of Bud. I wouldn't want to be relying on the likes of Gray and Taylor to kick enough goals

Nothing is really changing for Heeney

He'll continue to play mid and fwd, and that should see him averaging the same as of recent years

100+ once he becomes a full time mid imo, but for now I expect the same as usual from him

That said, I can't see him going up in price much - so can be an upgrade target
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: walloo44 on February 14, 2020, 05:35:48 PM
I would've thought he'd play more mid this year after Swans picked up Lewis Taylor and Sam Gray as well as their young players like Blakely stepping up.

Like Horse said he will still play fwd, and that's probably because he's their most dynamic forward outside of Bud. I wouldn't want to be relying on the likes of Gray and Taylor to kick enough goals

Nothing is really changing for Heeney

He'll continue to play mid and fwd, and that should see him averaging the same as of recent years

100+ once he becomes a full time mid imo, but for now I expect the same as usual from him

That said, I can't see him going up in price much - so can be an upgrade target

Good to see your finally off the Heeney boat. Absolutely no reason to start this man until his a full time mid (if ever). He’ll always be available later for a nice 50k discount!
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 14, 2020, 06:44:16 PM
Good to see your finally off the Heeney boat. Absolutely no reason to start this man until his a full time mid (if ever). He’ll always be available later for a nice 50k discount!

Not completely ruling out not starting him, but he was only my F3 because I just felt that my forward line looked too weak without a prem at F3, and he's literally the only 400k+ fwd I like other than Whitfield and Dusty so Heeney was there by default

Starting to look like a cheap F3 is feasible now, hence Heeney out
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 14, 2020, 11:05:53 PM
Is anyone else deliberately not bringing up someone else up forward? I have seen his name once in fan footy forums but just scrolled through every posted team and haven’t seen him selected?

I posted my team with jack Steven at f3 but I reckon there is someone else that’s a dead set lock for that spot in the 400k-500k range.

Fully expecting his name to be talked about soon so I won’t ruin the surprise.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: erich1036 on February 14, 2020, 11:16:05 PM
Is anyone else deliberately not bringing up someone else up forward? I have seen his name once in fan footy forums but just scrolled through every posted team and haven’t seen him selected?

I posted my team with jack Steven at f3 but I reckon there is someone else that’s a dead set lock for that spot in the 400k-500k range.

Fully expecting his name to be talked about soon so I won’t ruin the surprise.

Hmmm, Wingard?
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Grazz on February 14, 2020, 11:41:30 PM
Is anyone else deliberately not bringing up someone else up forward? I have seen his name once in fan footy forums but just scrolled through every posted team and haven’t seen him selected?

I posted my team with jack Steven at f3 but I reckon there is someone else that’s a dead set lock for that spot in the 400k-500k range.

Fully expecting his name to be talked about soon so I won’t ruin the surprise.

Greenwood.  8)
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: enzedder on February 15, 2020, 04:08:45 AM
Is anyone else deliberately not bringing up someone else up forward? I have seen his name once in fan footy forums but just scrolled through every posted team and haven’t seen him selected?

I posted my team with jack Steven at f3 but I reckon there is someone else that’s a dead set lock for that spot in the 400k-500k range.

Fully expecting his name to be talked about soon so I won’t ruin the surprise.

Greenwood.  8)
In my team
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 15, 2020, 06:46:52 AM
Greenwood isn't a surprise - everyone on Discord has talked about him ;)

Seems he's quite a popular option, but like many others in that price range I just don't see the need to start them as they're not exactly cheap - think I'd rather see how they go first then bring them in later if warranted - won't cost much more

I think he can go low 90's, so won't go up a heap in price and can look at him later

Other than Whitfield and Dusty, don't love any of the prem priced guys so will likely go cheap at F3 ala Dev etc
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 15, 2020, 09:17:21 AM
Greenwood isn't a surprise - everyone on Discord has talked about him ;)

Seems he's quite a popular option, but like many others in that price range I just don't see the need to start them as they're not exactly cheap - think I'd rather see how they go first then bring them in later if warranted - won't cost much more

I think he can go low 90's, so won't go up a heap in price and can look at him later

Other than Whitfield and Dusty, don't love any of the prem priced guys so will likely go cheap at F3 ala Dev etc

This is probably a fair argument even for the guy I’m think is a lock for our f3. I got dev still at f4.

For the record I am not being mysterious I just feel like other people must be for this bloke to literally only be mentioned once on fan footy in 2020
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 15, 2020, 09:30:33 AM
I've come to the conclusion that I just don't like the forward line premo's, so I've now decided to get DEF/MID/RUC sorted, and am going really light up forward

Dusty, Dev, Jones, Hill, Rookie, Rookie

Allows me to run GG in the ruck, 5 super premo mids with Rowell at M6 and 4 premo def with Roberton at D5

Whitfield could miss games, but more importantly I think that his average will drop with all their mids back in so he can be an upgrade target

The way I see it, with my defence, midfield and ruck all very solid, the first 5-6 trades of the season can be focused on the forward line - with 5-6 trades I should be able to milk a few rookies and turn both Jones and Hill into premo forwards. That leaves with me 24-25 trades, and only need 1-2 def prems, 3 mid prems and 2 fwd prems - certainly doable

Plus, it's something a little different - every year I take a similar approach and it works well with a high overall finish, and I could just do that again, but this will be fun trying something new, and I reckon it can work
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: shaker on February 15, 2020, 09:51:22 AM
I've come to the conclusion that I just don't like the forward line premo's, so I've now decided to get DEF/MID/RUC sorted, and am going really light up forward

Dusty, Dev, Jones, Hill, Rookie, Rookie

Allows me to run GG in the ruck, 5 super premo mids with Rowell at M6 and 4 premo def with Roberton at D5

Whitfield could miss games, but more importantly I think that his average will drop with all their mids back in so he can be an upgrade target

The way I see it, with my defence, midfield and ruck all very solid, the first 5-6 trades of the season can be focused on the forward line - with 5-6 trades I should be able to milk a few rookies and turn both Jones and Hill into premo forwards. That leaves with me 24-25 trades, and only need 1-2 def prems, 3 mid prems and 2 fwd prems - certainly doable

Plus, it's something a little different - every year I take a similar approach and it works well with a high overall finish, and I could just do that again, but this will be fun trying something new, and I reckon it can work
Which Jones ? Chayce or Harrison might be worth a try but until round 1 teams are announced it's all a bit of a guess for me it's the same every year see how much I have to spend filling rookie spots depending on who's named and then I can finalise the rest.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Grazz on February 15, 2020, 09:56:25 AM
Is anyone else deliberately not bringing up someone else up forward? I have seen his name once in fan footy forums but just scrolled through every posted team and haven’t seen him selected?

I posted my team with jack Steven at f3 but I reckon there is someone else that’s a dead set lock for that spot in the 400k-500k range.

Fully expecting his name to be talked about soon so I won’t ruin the surprise.

Greenwood.  8)
In my team

Trying to get him in but unable to at the minute without changing the team to drastically.
Like RD i'm going with a cheaper option at F3 which i'm kinda forced to do at the moment.
I'm not really feeling this team right now so big changes could still happen yet.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: GM on February 15, 2020, 10:55:44 AM
Chayce Jones and Townsend could well be good cheap options up forward.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 15, 2020, 06:36:21 PM
I've come to the conclusion that I just don't like the forward line premo's, so I've now decided to get DEF/MID/RUC sorted, and am going really light up forward

Dusty, Dev, Jones, Hill, Rookie, Rookie

Allows me to run GG in the ruck, 5 super premo mids with Rowell at M6 and 4 premo def with Roberton at D5

Whitfield could miss games, but more importantly I think that his average will drop with all their mids back in so he can be an upgrade target

The way I see it, with my defence, midfield and ruck all very solid, the first 5-6 trades of the season can be focused on the forward line - with 5-6 trades I should be able to milk a few rookies and turn both Jones and Hill into premo forwards. That leaves with me 24-25 trades, and only need 1-2 def prems, 3 mid prems and 2 fwd prems - certainly doable

Plus, it's something a little different - every year I take a similar approach and it works well with a high overall finish, and I could just do that again, but this will be fun trying something new, and I reckon it can work

I guarantee you will not start Jones at f3. He will never be a SuperCoach option for the entirety of his career.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Mat0369 on February 16, 2020, 02:05:02 AM
The Jones pick makes 0 sense. He is 270k so he is basically a mid price option.

Is anyone else deliberately not bringing up someone else up forward? I have seen his name once in fan footy forums but just scrolled through every posted team and haven’t seen him selected?

I posted my team with jack Steven at f3 but I reckon there is someone else that’s a dead set lock for that spot in the 400k-500k range.

Fully expecting his name to be talked about soon so I won’t ruin the surprise.

Of the 400k-500k guys that have probably been looked at, these are my thoughts. I think you're probably referring to Ceglar or Hawkins but I'd pass on both.

Ebert - He is what he is, always starts strong and then flops in the back end of the year.

Ceglar - Could be the number 1 ruck, but I feel whenever he has been picked it has been to shoulder the ruck load. Averaged 70's for his career which is what he is priced at

Jack Martin - Spoken about all the time as a possible break out contender and longer at the Suns could see it happen, I still think he is a perennial cocktease and probably going to disappoint with us as well. The Betts factor could be the real difference to actually see him reach his potential. A lot of the Indigenous boys seem to get their best with Eddie around.

Jack Gunston - Rehab group so pass

Westhoff - The burn is still strong with this one

Petracca - See Jack Martin

Ryder - Scores best as the number 1 ruck and as a forward is meh. That is Marshall's role to lose so pass.

Robbie Gray - Age and lack of mid minutes will see him stay where he is or decline.

Mitch Wallis - Is he even best 22?

Gresham - Likely to keep improving, speculative pick at best.

Darling - Priced around where he should be based on recent averages.

Lynch - See Darling

Hawkins - 1 season with the ton, rest mid 80's at best.

Greenwood - Meh. Averaged mid 80's through his career and people forget that he isn't exactly young. Yeah he is young in terms of AFL career but he is going to be 28.

Dahl - Could see an increase in midfield minutes where he scores well but likely to stay forward. Pass

Parish - Pass

Dawson - Pass

De Goey - Hard Pass

Lambert - Probably at top price based on career average.

JZ - Meh, wait for the eventual stinker he puts up and grab him then if you're keen.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 16, 2020, 09:10:09 AM
The Jones pick makes 0 sense. He is 270k so he is basically a mid price option.

I disagree

I clearly outlined my plan and reasoning above as to why I am looking at him. He's a breakout candidate, and not only do I expect him to be  a lock in their 22, I expect him to spend most of his time in the guts, and considering that's exactly what he did in their intra yesterday I still like the pick

I think he can go 70+, so he will make cash, and be a quick stepping stone to a outright prem. I hate the fwd prem options, so starting Chase (who I think has a lot of upside) gives me the first 5-6 rounds to see what fwds look good, then I turn him into one of them

More than happy for the majority to hate the pick - be nice to have a least 1 point of difference to start with

Is anyone else deliberately not bringing up someone else up forward? I have seen his name once in fan footy forums but just scrolled through every posted team and haven’t seen him selected?

I posted my team with jack Steven at f3 but I reckon there is someone else that’s a dead set lock for that spot in the 400k-500k range.

Fully expecting his name to be talked about soon so I won’t ruin the surprise.

Of the 400k-500k guys that have probably been looked at, these are my thoughts. I think you're probably referring to Ceglar or Hawkins but I'd pass on both.

He already acknowledged that he was talking about Greenwood

Greenwood was a mid 80s guy at Adelaide were he was the 5-6th mid in line, and didn't spend heaps of time there. He's now moved to a side where he will be inside the guts basically 100% of the time - 90+ is very attainable for him. His age is absolute irrelevant

I do however agree with you regarding every other 4-500k fwd you mentioned - I wouldn't start a single one of them
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 16, 2020, 01:51:46 PM
The Jones pick makes 0 sense. He is 270k so he is basically a mid price option.

I disagree

I clearly outlined my plan and reasoning above as to why I am looking at him. He's a breakout candidate, and not only do I expect him to be  a lock in their 22, I expect him to spend most of his time in the guts, and considering that's exactly what he did in their intra yesterday I still like the pick

I think he can go 70+, so he will make cash, and be a quick stepping stone to a outright prem. I hate the fwd prem options, so starting Chase (who I think has a lot of upside) gives me the first 5-6 rounds to see what fwds look good, then I turn him into one of them

More than happy for the majority to hate the pick - be nice to have a least 1 point of difference to start with

Is anyone else deliberately not bringing up someone else up forward? I have seen his name once in fan footy forums but just scrolled through every posted team and haven’t seen him selected?

I posted my team with jack Steven at f3 but I reckon there is someone else that’s a dead set lock for that spot in the 400k-500k range.

Fully expecting his name to be talked about soon so I won’t ruin the surprise.

Of the 400k-500k guys that have probably been looked at, these are my thoughts. I think you're probably referring to Ceglar or Hawkins but I'd pass on both.

He already acknowledged that he was talking about Greenwood

Greenwood was a mid 80s guy at Adelaide were he was the 5-6th mid in line, and didn't spend heaps of time there. He's now moved to a side where he will be inside the guts basically 100% of the time - 90+ is very attainable for him. His age is absolute irrelevant

I do however agree with you regarding every other 4-500k fwd you mentioned - I wouldn't start a single one of them

No wasn’t greenwood
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: _wato on February 16, 2020, 01:52:52 PM
Chaddddddddddd

Locked in for me at F2
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 16, 2020, 01:54:29 PM
It is ceglar and he’s a lock (as long as he’s number 1 ruck) ... given his ruck cover as well he’s an absolute no brainer imo
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: _wato on February 16, 2020, 02:08:21 PM
It is ceglar and he’s a lock (as long as he’s number 1 ruck) ... given his ruck cover as well he’s an absolute no brainer imo

Huge balls mate. It’ll work against a lot of teams but gotta think they’ll be way too tall against others. They won’t be dropping Big Boy before they drop Cegs. I still think McEvoy has value as a #1 ruck when they need it
But it is an interesting prospect.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 16, 2020, 02:17:50 PM
It is ceglar and he’s a lock (as long as he’s number 1 ruck) ... given his ruck cover as well he’s an absolute no brainer imo

Huge balls mate. It’ll work against a lot of teams but gotta think they’ll be way too tall against others. They won’t be dropping Big Boy before they drop Cegs. I still think McEvoy has value as a #1 ruck when they need it
But it is an interesting prospect.

Yup it’s ballsy I agree but I will 100% be picking Ceglar if they line up with him number 1. Small gamble that could pay off massive if we get a small injury to one of the big guns
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: _wato on February 16, 2020, 02:59:29 PM
It is ceglar and he’s a lock (as long as he’s number 1 ruck) ... given his ruck cover as well he’s an absolute no brainer imo

Huge balls mate. It’ll work against a lot of teams but gotta think they’ll be way too tall against others. They won’t be dropping Big Boy before they drop Cegs. I still think McEvoy has value as a #1 ruck when they need it
But it is an interesting prospect.

Yup it’s ballsy I agree but I will 100% be picking Ceglar if they line up with him number 1. Small gamble that could pay off massive if we get a small injury to one of the big guns

What do you see him averaging out of curiosity?
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 16, 2020, 03:10:16 PM
It is ceglar and he’s a lock (as long as he’s number 1 ruck) ... given his ruck cover as well he’s an absolute no brainer imo

Huge balls mate. It’ll work against a lot of teams but gotta think they’ll be way too tall against others. They won’t be dropping Big Boy before they drop Cegs. I still think McEvoy has value as a #1 ruck when they need it
But it is an interesting prospect.

Yup it’s ballsy I agree but I will 100% be picking Ceglar if they line up with him number 1. Small gamble that could pay off massive if we get a small injury to one of the big guns

What do you see him averaging out of curiosity?

Proviso number 1 ruck ... 90+ comfortably...  will be enough to justify his selection given this years crop of forwards and the ruck coverage he offers.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Mat0369 on February 16, 2020, 04:01:06 PM
I disagree

I clearly outlined my plan and reasoning above as to why I am looking at him. He's a breakout candidate, and not only do I expect him to be  a lock in their 22, I expect him to spend most of his time in the guts, and considering that's exactly what he did in their intra yesterday I still like the pick

I think he can go 70+, so he will make cash, and be a quick stepping stone to a outright prem. I hate the fwd prem options, so starting Chase (who I think has a lot of upside) gives me the first 5-6 rounds to see what fwds look good, then I turn him into one of them

More than happy for the majority to hate the pick - be nice to have a least 1 point of difference to start with


The difference between Jones and a lot of second year guys that are generally worth starting is the price. Jones is 270k and that's a lot to fork out for a speculative pick. For every Oliver there is a Rayner/Dow that goes backwards from years 1 to 2. It's also a really awkward price because you need to keep the funds to be able to flip him to a TMac/Steven type if he doesn't pan out or hope that there is a really good rookie on the horizon to downgrade him to. At F3 that is just asking for trouble since you end up with a massive hole at the position. At F4 I get it a bit more, you can probably afford to take the risk and downgrade to a rookie.


He already acknowledged that he was talking about Greenwood

Greenwood was a mid 80s guy at Adelaide were he was the 5-6th mid in line, and didn't spend heaps of time there. He's now moved to a side where he will be inside the guts basically 100% of the time - 90+ is very attainable for him. His age is absolute irrelevant

I do however agree with you regarding every other 4-500k fwd you mentioned - I wouldn't start a single one of them


I don't know if he spends as much time in there as people think. I don't think he is a running machine and they do have a lot of big bodied inside mids already. I think between Rowell, Anderson, Greenwood, Bowes, Swallow, Miller and guys like Fiorini, Ellis, Weller, Rankine, Macpherson and Powell also getting a run you have a ton of mids to rotate.

It is ceglar and he’s a lock (as long as he’s number 1 ruck) ... given his ruck cover as well he’s an absolute no brainer imo

He did have 3 decent scores towards the back end of the year with Big Boy playing down back but I still don't like it. You would have to hope the persist with McEvoy playing in defence or you spend 400k for a guy that ends up in the VFL. Patton will also be the forward/ruck for the Hawks come the season so they won't carry both anymore
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 16, 2020, 04:09:17 PM
Fair points but as long as I see him r1 in the marsh I’m going to take the gamble Mat.

100% agree with you regards the Gold Coast and greenwood. Wouldn’t have him ahead of swallow, fiorini Miller and probably Rowell as well. Other than those guys the other blokes mentioned greenwood pushes out of the midfield to other spots but wouldn’t see his midfield time increasing from his Adelaide days.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: frenzy on February 16, 2020, 04:28:42 PM
Chaddddddddddd

Locked in for me at F2

 :o..... speaking of ballsy, that would take a set.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 16, 2020, 06:33:23 PM
Certainly see the merit in Ceglar, but just don't see any reason to start him

If a ruck misses a game, and Ceglar is going well, then we can look to trade him in

Considering most of us are going to have F3 and F4 types that are pretty similarly priced to Ceglar anyway, the sideways/correction trade to him should be pretty easy

I know that McEvoy has been training with defence over summer, and Clarko seems keen to keep playing him there but I wouldn't hold my breath on Ceglar going 90+

In those final 3 games of last year he scored 110 vs Mumford which means nothing, followed by 83 (which isn't good enough) vs Witts and then he put up 94 vs Hickey which again is nothing to get excited about

Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: eaglesman on February 16, 2020, 07:12:03 PM
Certainly see the merit in Ceglar, but just don't see any reason to start him

If a ruck misses a game, and Ceglar is going well, then we can look to trade him in

Considering most of us are going to have F3 and F4 types that are pretty similarly priced to Ceglar anyway, the sideways/correction trade to him should be pretty easy

I know that McEvoy has been training with defence over summer, and Clarko seems keen to keep playing him there but I wouldn't hold my breath on Ceglar going 90+

In those final 3 games of last year he scored 110 vs Mumford which means nothing, followed by 83 (which isn't good enough) vs Witts and then he put up 94 vs Hickey which again is nothing to get excited about

As I said on another post I understand what you say there. This is a trust your gut moment for me.
All I need to see is McEvoy lineup every game on defense in marsh and something from Ceglar and he is an absolute lock for me. Have him clearly over greenwood if r1 at hawks is confirmed
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: AaronKirk on February 16, 2020, 07:23:50 PM
Chaddddddddddd

Locked in for me at F2

 :o..... speaking of ballsy, that would take a set.

Spent the last month of 2019 in the midfield with a 90.75 average with scores of 98, 91, 112 and 62. Funnily enough that 62 SC game v West Coast he got the 3 Brownlow votes - he had 6 clangers from his 28 disposals.

His DT scores in the same time were 88, 105, 128 and 106 - a 106.75 average

Ben Stratton on SEN the other week in an interview said he liked the way that Wingard was training in the midfield group and would like to see him spend even more time there in 2020. They need that additional polish with ball in hand in the mids and Wingard fits that mould.

His TOG% in the same time of 70% was the lowest it has been in his career so a good chance of improved TOG, more mid time and an increase in disposal numbers from the 26.5 per game average in those last 4 rounds as a mid.

Also averaged 6 tackles per game in those 4 games as a mid.

Definitely worth a gamble and is locked ATM in my side.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: frenzy on February 17, 2020, 09:49:15 AM
Chaddddddddddd

Locked in for me at F2

 :o..... speaking of ballsy, that would take a set.

Spent the last month of 2019 in the midfield with a 90.75 average with scores of 98, 91, 112 and 62. Funnily enough that 62 SC game v West Coast he got the 3 Brownlow votes - he had 6 clangers from his 28 disposals.

His DT scores in the same time were 88, 105, 128 and 106 - a 106.75 average

Ben Stratton on SEN the other week in an interview said he liked the way that Wingard was training in the midfield group and would like to see him spend even more time there in 2020. They need that additional polish with ball in hand in the mids and Wingard fits that mould.

His TOG% in the same time of 70% was the lowest it has been in his career so a good chance of improved TOG, more mid time and an increase in disposal numbers from the 26.5 per game average in those last 4 rounds as a mid.

Also averaged 6 tackles per game in those 4 games as a mid.

Definitely worth a gamble and is locked ATM in my side.

You reckon he's due for an up year, 51, 98, 79, 97, 80, 93, 88, 75 is like a yo-yo. You may well be right. Fwds are garbage this season.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: LordSneeze on February 17, 2020, 10:04:46 AM
Unfortunately im with RaisyDaisy on the forwards this year. I just don't see many good options to start and will prefer to wait to see who looks like being top 10 as upgrade options.

Ive locked in Dusty as im confident on him and I haven't seen anything that would turn me off him yet.

Whitfield is priced at a point I don't feel is worth it to start and likely an upgrade option and Heeney has been injured already & unknown quantity on his position.

I don't like Steven (Hamstring Injury in Pre Season causes me concern he will be rested a bit) or Smith (I just don't see the hype around him as a long term keeper, I see at tops 90. but Ill have a plan to get him in R3 if he does start off well and look like a potential keeper.)

I don't feel I can go only 1 prem and 7 rookies so I need to take at least 1 other player in that next tier and that is my current debate. Right now Greenwood is locked in, but I have Wingard, Gray, Parish, Ceglar on a watchlist as potential other options.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: _wato on February 17, 2020, 11:09:50 AM
Greenwood is so overrated. Such an average footballer who can't spread, isn't fast and doesn't know how to play if the game isn't slowed down to his level. Gonna get caught out unless it's the annual monsoonal weather three times a year.

Good in close, great tackler. Can go forward and be a presence. But otherwise ehhhhh
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Ringo on February 17, 2020, 12:38:00 PM
I too am with Lord Sneeze and RD. There seems to be so many forward options but none really stand out apart from Dusty. By going light allows strength on other lines eg Roberton at D5 and 5 prem mids,  Also supports the GG combo as well. I currently have dev at F2 but that may change with a watch on Robbie Gray.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 17, 2020, 01:14:59 PM
I reckon Walters will be Top 5 and have another strong year average wise, but I just can't bring myself to pay that much for him

Whitfield is an interesting one - will be curious to see how or if there's any change with him once Ward comes in Round 5-6
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Ringo on February 17, 2020, 01:40:05 PM
may have to reconsider Walters from my never again list.  Did not realize he has missed so few games over the last few years. However at $547k probably an upgrade target along with Whitfield when we see which forwards will be prem status.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: LordSneeze on February 17, 2020, 02:18:14 PM
Im not considering Walters as I want to make sure he is still Prem and over the Injury issues before I decide if I will bring him in.
Have been burnt badly by him before. And a lot of other Freo players.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Mat0369 on February 17, 2020, 02:46:57 PM
The only question with Whitfield is his body. He and Dusty are the two locks of all locks in the forward line. The intention was to play Whitfield permanently on a wing and as soon as he moved there he put up huge numbers. He also had a couple of injury games which makes him under priced.

The one to keep an eye on is Toby Greene. Apart from the brain fades and the unreliable body, he put up some monster numbers at the back end of last year with the injuries. I would expect those to take a dip when he moves forward, however he still averaged 96 a couple of years back playing as a permanent half forward.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: shaker on February 17, 2020, 02:55:00 PM
Fwd's prems are a bit light on this year but can't believe some are not getting Whitfield people saying he's to fragile or to expensive he had a thigh or hip early in round 6 for a 45 then he busted his collarbone in round 11 for 65 I would be more concerned getting soft tissue boy Kelly than Whitfield his other scores 105 , 123 , 152 , 137 , 86 , 170 , 115 , 101 , 119 , 90 , 109 , 90 , 114 , 159 take out his 2 injury games that's 11 tons out of 14 matches can't see much wrong there him and Dusty locked.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: _wato on February 17, 2020, 04:03:50 PM
Fwd's prems are a bit light on this year but can't believe some are not getting Whitfield people saying he's to fragile or to expensive he had a thigh or hip early in round 6 for a 45 then he busted his collarbone in round 11 for 65 I would be more concerned getting soft tissue boy Kelly than Whitfield his other scores 105 , 123 , 152 , 137 , 86 , 170 , 115 , 101 , 119 , 90 , 109 , 90 , 114 , 159 take out his 2 injury games that's 11 tons out of 14 matches can't see much wrong there him and Dusty locked.

Hahahah the classic denial post about injury games, ahh just take them out as if they never happened, it won't matter!!

2019 - 16 games (yuck)
2018 - 22 games (tick)
2017 - 15 games (yuck)
2016 - 19 games (ehh 3 rookie scores)
2015 - 21 games (tick)
2014 - 11 games (hahahaah)
2013 - 19 games (once again annoying)

So can't just say they were two innocuous injuries because he's had them his whole career! Also adding to the fact is that Ward played 1 game (hadn't missed a game in 4 years), Cogs missed 7, Jelly missed 8, and he jumped from two years at 97 and 99 to 111.

Natural progression? Yes potentially.
More opportunity? Most definitely.
Coincidence he scored well with a plague of injuries? For sure.
Will he still attract the tag? For sure.
Is his body still made of rubber? Yes.

With all things considered am I going to pay 600k for a full priced guy who has had one year at 110 (never before over 100), has missed 31 games in 7 years and will have points possibly taken away due to a fully fit Giants side being on the park?

HELLLLL NOOOOO I WON'T BE. But you can gladly pick him, I'll wait for the cash drop or injury :)))
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: shaker on February 17, 2020, 04:17:33 PM
Fwd's prems are a bit light on this year but can't believe some are not getting Whitfield people saying he's to fragile or to expensive he had a thigh or hip early in round 6 for a 45 then he busted his collarbone in round 11 for 65 I would be more concerned getting soft tissue boy Kelly than Whitfield his other scores 105 , 123 , 152 , 137 , 86 , 170 , 115 , 101 , 119 , 90 , 109 , 90 , 114 , 159 take out his 2 injury games that's 11 tons out of 14 matches can't see much wrong there him and Dusty locked.

Hahahah the classic denial post about injury games, ahh just take them out as if they never happened, it won't matter!!

2019 - 16 games (yuck)
2018 - 22 games (tick)
2017 - 15 games (yuck)
2016 - 19 games (ehh 3 rookie scores)
2015 - 21 games (tick)
2014 - 11 games (hahahaah)
2013 - 19 games (once again annoying)

So can't just say they were two innocuous injuries because he's had them his whole career! Also adding to the fact is that Ward played 1 game (hadn't missed a game in 4 years), Cogs missed 7, Jelly missed 8, and he jumped from two years at 97 and 99 to 111.

Natural progression? Yes potentially.
More opportunity? Most definitely.
Coincidence he scored well with a plague of injuries? For sure.
Will he still attract the tag? For sure.
Is his body still made of rubber? Yes.

With all things considered am I going to pay 600k for a full priced guy who has had one year at 110 (never before over 100), has missed 31 games in 7 years and will have points possibly taken away due to a fully fit Giants side being on the park?

HELLLLL NOOOOO I WON'T BE. But you can gladly pick him, I'll wait for the cash drop or injury :)))
If he gets injured simple trade him out but I'll be the one lapping up all those beautiful tons till he does  ;)
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Pokerface on February 17, 2020, 04:42:21 PM
Fwd's prems are a bit light on this year but can't believe some are not getting Whitfield people saying he's to fragile or to expensive he had a thigh or hip early in round 6 for a 45 then he busted his collarbone in round 11 for 65 I would be more concerned getting soft tissue boy Kelly than Whitfield his other scores 105 , 123 , 152 , 137 , 86 , 170 , 115 , 101 , 119 , 90 , 109 , 90 , 114 , 159 take out his 2 injury games that's 11 tons out of 14 matches can't see much wrong there him and Dusty locked.

Hahahah the classic denial post about injury games, ahh just take them out as if they never happened, it won't matter!!

2019 - 16 games (yuck)
2018 - 22 games (tick)
2017 - 15 games (yuck)
2016 - 19 games (ehh 3 rookie scores)
2015 - 21 games (tick)
2014 - 11 games (hahahaah)
2013 - 19 games (once again annoying)

So can't just say they were two innocuous injuries because he's had them his whole career! Also adding to the fact is that Ward played 1 game (hadn't missed a game in 4 years), Cogs missed 7, Jelly missed 8, and he jumped from two years at 97 and 99 to 111.

Natural progression? Yes potentially.
More opportunity? Most definitely.
Coincidence he scored well with a plague of injuries? For sure.
Will he still attract the tag? For sure.
Is his body still made of rubber? Yes.

With all things considered am I going to pay 600k for a full priced guy who has had one year at 110 (never before over 100), has missed 31 games in 7 years and will have points possibly taken away due to a fully fit Giants side being on the park?

HELLLLL NOOOOO I WON'T BE. But you can gladly pick him, I'll wait for the cash drop or injury :)))

so who do you pick instead? That's the issue, there isn't anything worthwhile up forward
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: erich1036 on February 17, 2020, 04:45:16 PM
Fwd's prems are a bit light on this year but can't believe some are not getting Whitfield people saying he's to fragile or to expensive he had a thigh or hip early in round 6 for a 45 then he busted his collarbone in round 11 for 65 I would be more concerned getting soft tissue boy Kelly than Whitfield his other scores 105 , 123 , 152 , 137 , 86 , 170 , 115 , 101 , 119 , 90 , 109 , 90 , 114 , 159 take out his 2 injury games that's 11 tons out of 14 matches can't see much wrong there him and Dusty locked.

Hahahah the classic denial post about injury games, ahh just take them out as if they never happened, it won't matter!!

2019 - 16 games (yuck)
2018 - 22 games (tick)
2017 - 15 games (yuck)
2016 - 19 games (ehh 3 rookie scores)
2015 - 21 games (tick)
2014 - 11 games (hahahaah)
2013 - 19 games (once again annoying)

So can't just say they were two innocuous injuries because he's had them his whole career! Also adding to the fact is that Ward played 1 game (hadn't missed a game in 4 years), Cogs missed 7, Jelly missed 8, and he jumped from two years at 97 and 99 to 111.

Natural progression? Yes potentially.
More opportunity? Most definitely.
Coincidence he scored well with a plague of injuries? For sure.
Will he still attract the tag? For sure.
Is his body still made of rubber? Yes.

With all things considered am I going to pay 600k for a full priced guy who has had one year at 110 (never before over 100), has missed 31 games in 7 years and will have points possibly taken away due to a fully fit Giants side being on the park?

HELLLLL NOOOOO I WON'T BE. But you can gladly pick him, I'll wait for the cash drop or injury :)))

In 2017 you say "yuck", but I'm not sure I'd be calling a drug ban an 'injury'. Very unlikely to happen again (you would hope). He was fully healthy for that full season and played every game he could. So basically he only missed 4 games due to injury across 2015-2018. Certainly doesn't change your other points, but I just wanted to note that.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: _wato on February 17, 2020, 04:46:12 PM
If he gets injured simple trade him out but I'll be the one lapping up all those beautiful tons till he does  ;)

Hahahah burn those precious trades!!! Don't expect 130+ anymore either, too many hungry ball hogs in that team

so who do you pick instead? That's the issue, there isn't anything worthwhile up forward

It's simple you don't. You pick extra rookies and buy genuine premos on other lines.
At worst you go for guys in the 400k mould (for me it's Wingard/Ceglar) who also have question marks but they're 150-200k cheaper.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: _wato on February 17, 2020, 04:49:02 PM
In 2017 you say "yuck", but I'm not sure I'd be calling a drug ban an 'injury'. Very unlikely to happen again (you would hope). He was fully healthy for that full season and played every game he could. So basically he only missed 4 games due to injury across 2015-2018.

Okay that's also a fair comment. I also never saw Whitfield garner the attention across 2015-2018 like he did last season which resulted directly in the collarbone injury where he missed 4 games (5 including the bye) plus the corked thigh.
He's gonna cop it a hell of a lot more and teams will get physical with him. He won't be able to play on the outside and have it all his own way.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Pokerface on February 17, 2020, 04:54:49 PM
If he gets injured simple trade him out but I'll be the one lapping up all those beautiful tons till he does  ;)

Hahahah burn those precious trades!!! Don't expect 130+ anymore either, too many hungry ball hogs in that team

so who do you pick instead? That's the issue, there isn't anything worthwhile up forward

It's simple you don't. You pick extra rookies and buy genuine premos on other lines.
At worst you go for guys in the 400k mould (for me it's Wingard/Ceglar) who also have question marks but they're 150-200k cheaper.

If there are 6 forward rookies available i'd certainly look at the option. But I don't think there will be. I guess where rookies start appearing is the ultimate key to our structure and selections. None of those 400k mould guys do much for me - at the price you really need them to be keepers.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: shaker on February 17, 2020, 05:17:18 PM
In 2017 you say "yuck", but I'm not sure I'd be calling a drug ban an 'injury'. Very unlikely to happen again (you would hope). He was fully healthy for that full season and played every game he could. So basically he only missed 4 games due to injury across 2015-2018.

Okay that's also a fair comment. I also never saw Whitfield garner the attention across 2015-2018 like he did last season which resulted directly in the collarbone injury where he missed 4 games (5 including the bye) plus the corked thigh.
He's gonna cop it a hell of a lot more and teams will get physical with him. He won't be able to play on the outside and have it all his own way.
Well it seems he thrives on all that attention he lifted his ppg up by 11.4 or it could be he's just a GUN locked  ;D
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: RaisyDaisy on February 17, 2020, 06:06:49 PM
I'm not really worried about injuries with Whitfield

Yeah he's had a few, but my major concern with him has always been his scoring when they're full strength

Kelly, Coniglio, Taranto, Hopper, Ward, Zwil, Toby and Whitfield - they aren't all going 100+

Whitfield was huge last year but most of those other blokes weren't playing, or were playing underdone etc

Is he going to come out of the gates banging out 110+ scores from the get go? Because that's the only outcome where it hurts not starting him, and with all their guys back except Ward I'm not sure he does

I can easily see him putting up plenty of 90-110 scores, and at 600k that's not good enough

He's going to be in everyone's team eventually, just not sure he'll be in mine from the beginning
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: duffercoat on February 17, 2020, 07:11:12 PM
His scores wont be as good while the entire GWS midfield is fit - theres not enough points to go around.

He's coming off a preseason ankle reconstruction.

So I dont think he's worth his price but he will still score well. Its just a matter of if you're willing to take a loss to ensure you have a top fwd premium from day 1.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: walloo44 on February 18, 2020, 11:02:47 AM
Was going through Greenwood’s past scores to see how he generates his 90+ type games, and it seems to me his tackling and contested numbers offer him a solid baseline, resulting in games where he gets 20+ disposals being very high scoring.

I’m his career these are his supercoach scores when he gets 20+ disposals

127, 103, 90, 111, 85, 112, 94, 99, 82, 114, 86, 92, 96, 112, 98, 90, 102.

Giving him an average of 99.5 points when he gets 20 disposals or more. A floor of only 82, and a ceiling of 127.

Every year he has had a greater % of games with over 20 disposals.

2017 = 3/12 = 25%
2018 = 8/22 = 36%
2019 = 6/14 = 42%

Now while these percentages seem far from the desired 100%, he did average 17 disposals in these seasons, suggesting his supercoach pts to disposals ratio is very good, likely helped by a majority of these being contested.

This year at Gold Coast he should find himself a greater opportunity to be a key feature of their midfield, ideally boosting his average disposals for 17 for the past 3 years up to this 20 disposals threshold. If he can do this I think a 95 average is very very obtainable, and a 100pt average possible.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: GoLions on February 18, 2020, 11:23:53 AM
Was going through Greenwood’s past scores to see how he generates his 90+ type games, and it seems to me his tackling and contested numbers offer him a solid baseline, resulting in games where he gets 20+ disposals being very high scoring.

I’m his career these are his supercoach scores when he gets 20+ disposals

127, 103, 90, 111, 85, 112, 94, 99, 82, 114, 86, 92, 96, 112, 98, 90, 102.

Giving him an average of 99.5 points when he gets 20 disposals or more. A floor of only 82, and a ceiling of 127.

Every year he has had a greater % of games with over 20 disposals.

2017 = 3/12 = 25%
2018 = 8/22 = 36%
2019 = 6/14 = 42%

Now while these percentages seem far from the desired 100%, he did average 17 disposals in these seasons, suggesting his supercoach pts to disposals ratio is very good, likely helped by a majority of these being contested.

This year at Gold Coast he should find himself a greater opportunity to be a key feature of their midfield, ideally boosting his average disposals for 17 for the past 3 years up to this 20 disposals threshold. If he can do this I think a 95 average is very very obtainable, and a 100pt average possible.

Touk, Swallow, Bowes, Rowell, Brodie, Miles, Ellis, Fiorini all going to be playing mostly midfield. Guys like Ainsworth, Powell and Anderson probably do as well. Idk if I've forgotten anyone.

Greenwood may not get as much time in the midfield as some people think.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: jvalles69 on February 18, 2020, 03:39:40 PM
Having a play removing Whitfield because I do agree he will be cheaper at some stage and I want to try and get Houston in.  Toughest part is who to drop Whitfield to, already got Dusty, will wait on Heeney, currently have Steven again, but the other options I'm considering are Greenwood and possibly Ebert if it looks like he moves back into the mids.
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: TomK on February 18, 2020, 06:28:20 PM
Greenwood is so overrated. Such an average footballer who can't spread, isn't fast and doesn't know how to play if the game isn't slowed down to his level. Gonna get caught out unless it's the annual monsoonal weather three times a year.

Good in close, great tackler. Can go forward and be a presence. But otherwise ehhhhh
don't make me hit you watson
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: justaverage on February 18, 2020, 06:35:25 PM
Having a play removing Whitfield because I do agree he will be cheaper at some stage and I want to try and get Houston in.  Toughest part is who to drop Whitfield to, already got Dusty, will wait on Heeney, currently have Steven again, but the other options I'm considering are Greenwood and possibly Ebert if it looks like he moves back into the mids.

I'm tempted by the hype of Houston but not at the expense of a Premium
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: jvalles69 on February 19, 2020, 10:49:21 AM
Having a play removing Whitfield because I do agree he will be cheaper at some stage and I want to try and get Houston in.  Toughest part is who to drop Whitfield to, already got Dusty, will wait on Heeney, currently have Steven again, but the other options I'm considering are Greenwood and possibly Ebert if it looks like he moves back into the mids.

I'm tempted by the hype of Houston but not at the expense of a Premium

If Houston ends up a keeper and I get Whitfield at a discounted price then I think that's a win for me, that extra leftover money I can use to counter any score difference between them, as long as I use the money right is the tough part...
Title: Re: Top 5 forwards
Post by: Ingram on February 19, 2020, 11:36:49 AM
Dropped Houston to Roberton so I can squeeze Ceglar in. Feels pretty good atm.

Ruck coverage and hopefully a decent FWD scorer. Hawks said today he's No. 1 ruck.