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Title: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: Ringo on December 31, 2019, 02:14:20 PM
Starting this topic for the coming year.

Temember to give reasons why selecting one over the other to assist.

There have been a couple of posts in the archive which I will quote here:

Quote from: elephants on Today at 10:10:39 AM

    Treloar. Tom Mitchell or Jack Macrae

Reply from Crowls
Macrea,  mitchell has to prove he is back to same level.  Treloar not at same level as either.
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: Hellopplz on January 01, 2020, 01:17:02 PM
I'd agree, safe bet is with Macrae after the last two seasons. Mitchell should be cheaper after the year out but does carry more risk and I'm the risk averse type :P.
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: dmac07 on January 07, 2020, 07:02:03 PM
Defenders:

Daniel & Laird

Vs

Williams & Sicily 
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 07, 2020, 08:27:32 PM
Defenders:

Daniel & Laird

Vs

Williams & Sicily

Daniels and Laird

You know what their roles will be and they rarely miss games
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: Corkascrew on January 08, 2020, 11:46:41 AM
tom mitchell(mid) & greenwood(fwd)
vs
lachie neale(mid) & dev smith(fwd)
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: LordSneeze on January 08, 2020, 01:57:42 PM
tom mitchell(mid) & greenwood(fwd)
vs
lachie neale(mid) & dev smith(fwd)

Mitchell & Greenwood for me.
To be honest though that is 100% a toss up and could go either way.
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: dmac07 on January 09, 2020, 09:50:55 AM
tom mitchell(mid) & greenwood(fwd)
vs
lachie neale(mid) & dev smith(fwd)

Mitchell & Greenwood for me.
To be honest though that is 100% a toss up and could go either way.

Close call, id go neale and smith. Though watch how both Mitchell and Smith look pre-season.
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: jvalles69 on January 09, 2020, 10:38:24 AM
tom mitchell(mid) & greenwood(fwd)
vs
lachie neale(mid) & dev smith(fwd)

Mitchell & Greenwood for me.
To be honest though that is 100% a toss up and could go either way.

Close call, id go neale and smith. Though watch how both Mitchell and Smith look pre-season.

Neale and Smith and look to upgrade Mitchell in later.  2 x past keepers vs 1.
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: frenzy on January 21, 2020, 03:35:23 PM
Titchell v Danger, so long as Titchell is fit.
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: Bones Bombers on January 21, 2020, 06:13:24 PM
Titchell v Danger, so long as Titchell is fit.
Why take the risk starting Mitchell?
Have another look at Danger’s games played and average each of the last 8 years or so.
He has been very durable and although his scoring has dropped a little each of the last few years he is still right up with the best and has backed it up year after year.

*Please don’t make this year the outlier Danger!
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: AaronKirk on January 21, 2020, 06:48:14 PM
Titchell v Danger, so long as Titchell is fit.
Why take the risk starting Mitchell?
Have another look at Danger’s games played and average each of the last 8 years or so.
He has been very durable and although his scoring has dropped a little each of the last few years he is still right up with the best and has backed it up year after year.

*Please don’t make this year the outlier Danger!

Would IMO be a massive risk to start Titch at $631k. Unless he tears it to shreds in the practise matches I am not touching him.

Will be an upgrade option if he looks the goods in the early stages of the season.
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: billnats on January 21, 2020, 10:28:35 PM
Ash/Anderson & Gawn
V
Yeo/Oliver & NicNat
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: crowls on January 21, 2020, 10:32:34 PM
Titchell v Danger, so long as Titchell is fit.
Why take the risk starting Mitchell?
Have another look at Danger’s games played and average each of the last 8 years or so.
He has been very durable and although his scoring has dropped a little each of the last few years he is still right up with the best and has backed it up year after year.

*Please don’t make this year the outlier Danger!

Would IMO be a massive risk to start Titch at $631k. Unless he tears it to shreds in the practise matches I am not touching him.

Will be an upgrade option if he looks the goods in the early stages of the season.
with you on this ak.   for me it will be danger vs neale and cash will probably be the decider.
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: frenzy on January 22, 2020, 12:19:55 AM
Titchell v Danger, so long as Titchell is fit.
Why take the risk starting Mitchell?
Have another look at Danger’s games played and average each of the last 8 years or so.
He has been very durable and although his scoring has dropped a little each of the last few years he is still right up with the best and has backed it up year after year.

*Please don’t make this year the outlier Danger!

Would IMO be a massive risk to start Titch at $631k. Unless he tears it to shreds in the practise matches I am not touching him.

Will be an upgrade option if he looks the goods in the early stages of the season.
with you on this ak.   for me it will be danger vs neale and cash will probably be the decider.

Thanks boys.

Titchell was the only risky pick I was taking apart from Doc, but everybody will start him. Even Nat Fyfe comes with risk. A full season outta him would be a first.
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: IntegralX on January 22, 2020, 12:43:55 PM
Oliver & Laird vs Coniglio & Lloyd?
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: Money Shot on January 22, 2020, 04:02:17 PM
Oliver & Laird vs Coniglio & Lloyd?
I like Coniglio and Laird. But like Olivier/Laird out of the above two.
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: Bluesman on January 22, 2020, 11:57:38 PM
Gawn/Jelwood/Doedee
vs
Jacobs/Zerrett/Sicily
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: Bluesman on January 23, 2020, 12:04:48 AM
Oliver & Laird vs Coniglio & Lloyd?
Oliver & Laird. I'm not a huge fan of Cogs with their plethora of midfield options
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: Colley Dogs on January 25, 2020, 10:17:39 PM
Oliver & Laird vs Coniglio & Lloyd?

Oliver & Laird

(Because of Oliver)
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: Edgeovertherest on January 26, 2020, 12:17:37 AM
Been swapping between these two midfields for ages and would like a second opinion...

Option 1: Fyfe, Kelly, Cripps, Titch, Danger

Option 2: Macrae, Neale, Dunkley, Titch, Oliver

Option 1:
+ Good Bye Structure overall
+ Makes it so I dont have to bring them in before they get injured
+ High Ceiling
+ Fun to watch players
- Injury prone
- Low Floor scoring
- Likely to drop in price due to variance
 
Option 2
+ High Floor
+ 22 Games across the board meaning sideways trade unlikely
+ Less Likely to drop in price
- Bye Structure not as ideal
- History not as established as option 1
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 26, 2020, 12:41:10 AM
Been swapping between these two midfields for ages and would like a second opinion...

Option 1: Fyfe, Kelly, Cripps, Titch, Danger

Option 2: Macrae, Neale, Dunkley, Titch, Oliver

Option 1:
+ Good Bye Structure overall
+ Makes it so I dont have to bring them in before they get injured
+ High Ceiling
+ Fun to watch players
- Injury prone
- Low Floor scoring
- Likely to drop in price due to variance
 
Option 2
+ High Floor
+ 22 Games across the board meaning sideways trade unlikely
+ Less Likely to drop in price
- Bye Structure not as ideal
- History not as established as option 1

Option 3: Macrae, Neale, Cripps, Danger, Oliver
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: Edgeovertherest on January 26, 2020, 12:49:06 AM
Been swapping between these two midfields for ages and would like a second opinion...

Option 1: Fyfe, Kelly, Cripps, Titch, Danger

Option 2: Macrae, Neale, Dunkley, Titch, Oliver

Option 1:
+ Good Bye Structure overall
+ Makes it so I dont have to bring them in before they get injured
+ High Ceiling
+ Fun to watch players
- Injury prone
- Low Floor scoring
- Likely to drop in price due to variance
 
Option 2
+ High Floor
+ 22 Games across the board meaning sideways trade unlikely
+ Less Likely to drop in price
- Bye Structure not as ideal
- History not as established as option 1

Option 3: Macrae, Neale, Cripps, Danger, Oliver

Interesting... would like to know what you like about cripps, danger and oliver (macrae and neale I understand) vs Fyfe, Kelly, Dunkley and Titch. Injury worries maybe?
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: Southstorm on January 27, 2020, 03:05:30 PM
Titch has only just started running recently from what I gather and didn't take part in the match sim this week. Would not be planning for him round 1.
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: jvalles69 on January 29, 2020, 04:54:12 PM
Neale & Steven

Vs

Sloane & Greenwood
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: tommy10 on January 29, 2020, 06:31:11 PM
Neale & Steven

Vs

Sloane & Greenwood
Steven hurt his calf yesterday so would keep an eye on him. Go for Dev if you dont have him.
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: eaglesman on January 29, 2020, 10:56:46 PM
Walters v heeney
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: dylanclements on January 30, 2020, 10:20:28 AM
Walters v heeney

I'm dealing with the same question. Right now I have Heeney, partly because of price. I am not at all confident this is the right decision!

I can't believe I'm saying it but Greene is worth a look for ~500k F3s too
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: SilverLion on January 30, 2020, 10:54:08 AM
Walters v heeney

I'm dealing with the same question. Right now I have Heeney, partly because of price. I am not at all confident this is the right decision!

I can't believe I'm saying it but Greene is worth a look for ~500k F3s too
I'd be going Greenwood ahead of those 3 personally.
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: jvalles69 on January 30, 2020, 11:00:37 AM
Neale & Steven

Vs

Sloane & Greenwood
Steven hurt his calf yesterday so would keep an eye on him. Go for Dev if you dont have him.

Got Dev at F4 already.
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: dylanclements on January 30, 2020, 12:49:10 PM
I'd be going Greenwood ahead of those 3 personally.

I don't love this one personally. Greenwood has averaged 85 in his three seasons and managed to break 100 three times last season. True that more time in the guts could help him but the upside surely isn't huge and I'd be predicting pretty close to 85 again.

Greene averaged 94, finishing last season with six straight 100s, two of which were over 130.

Heeney averaged 94, finishing last season with 5 100s from his last 9.

I'm going with if I remember Holz's theory that someone who scores well staying on the park is a better gamble than someone who scores less well lifting their numbers. Even if Greenwood adds 10ppg, he is just even with Greene and Heeney.
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: jvalles69 on January 30, 2020, 01:02:37 PM
Quote
I'm going with if I remember Holz's theory that someone who scores well staying on the park is a better gamble than someone who scores less well lifting their numbers. Even if Greenwood adds 10ppg, he is just even with Greene and Heeney.

Gotta take into account what you can do with the extra money though.  Greene and Heeney require paying full price, if Greenwood does score on par with those guys then you are saving a tonne of cash.  Don't forget Greene misses games and Heeney tends to get small freak injuries that always make him a bit proppy.  Prefer Heeney and Greene as upgrade targets.
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: dylanclements on January 30, 2020, 01:21:51 PM
Quote
I'm going with if I remember Holz's theory that someone who scores well staying on the park is a better gamble than someone who scores less well lifting their numbers. Even if Greenwood adds 10ppg, he is just even with Greene and Heeney.

Gotta take into account what you can do with the extra money though.  Greene and Heeney require paying full price, if Greenwood does score on par with those guys then you are saving a tonne of cash.  Don't forget Greene misses games and Heeney tends to get small freak injuries that always make him a bit proppy.  Prefer Heeney and Greene as upgrade targets.

Definitely agree about the risk on Greene. By starting him you're gambling on him staying on the park and his history is weak.

Not sure entirely that it matters much about Heeney's niggles. It's true that he gets them but his numbers stack up well to Greenwood's even with the niggles. If anything you're betting on him overcoming them and lifting his average.

I agree in theory about the cash, but you have to remember Greenwood is 465ish, which isn't really dirt cheap - we're talking about 50k or so less than Heeney/Greene. You can see Greenwood tipping 500 at various points but I wouldn't be surprised if he hovers around the 470 mark
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: jvalles69 on January 30, 2020, 01:42:09 PM
"Not sure entirely that it matters much about Heeney's niggles. It's true that he gets them but his numbers stack up well to Greenwood's even with the niggles. If anything you're betting on him overcoming them and lifting his average."

I do think Heeney will make another jump in production at some stage, could be this year, but can't go him over Whits and Dusty and having Heeney at F3 just messes with structure.
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: dylanclements on January 30, 2020, 04:14:25 PM
I do think Heeney will make another jump in production at some stage, could be this year, but can't go him over Whits and Dusty and having Heeney at F3 just messes with structure.

The structure problem is real. I have those two and Heeney at f3 right now. I'm not comfortable with it. But I really don't like the fwd mid price options at all, and taking two fwd prems and rookies into rd 1 would be a big call.

With that said I have 4 def prems (including Doc) and Sauce in the ruck, which surely isn't the right structure either. Lots of drafts to come ahead of rd 1 yet!
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: jvalles69 on January 30, 2020, 04:27:00 PM
Quote
With that said I have 4 def prems (including Doc) and Sauce in the ruck, which surely isn't the right structure either. Lots of drafts to come ahead of rd 1 yet!

There will be sacrifices somewhere whichever way you go.  4 defender premos is a lot, that tends to be the line that burns me the most when I pay up.
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: crowls on January 31, 2020, 08:20:18 PM
Quote
With that said I have 4 def prems (including Doc) and Sauce in the ruck, which surely isn't the right structure either. Lots of drafts to come ahead of rd 1 yet!

There will be sacrifices somewhere whichever way you go.  4 defender premos is a lot, that tends to be the line that burns me the most when I pay up.
"burns me the most when I pay up"   wise words jv,  laird sicily and doc as much as i am willing to pay for def prem's.
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: dmac07 on February 05, 2020, 07:41:54 PM
J.Steven/D.Smith and  Roberton

V

Heeney and Rookie (Brander/Mclennan etc).
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: crowls on February 06, 2020, 01:14:38 PM
Laird(d)Bonar(f) v J Stephen(f)/Young(d)

Strengthens the depth of the backline with hill at D5.     Have Bonnar at F4 though.   
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: hawkboy80 on February 06, 2020, 02:21:22 PM
Neale & Steven

Vs

Sloane & Greenwood
Steven hurt his calf yesterday so would keep an eye on him. Go for Dev if you dont have him.

Got Dev at F4 already.
Neale & Steven depending what happens with the calf closer to Rd 1
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: hawkboy80 on February 06, 2020, 02:27:10 PM
Grundy & Brander (F6)  vs   English & D.Smith
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: js19 on February 06, 2020, 02:41:45 PM
Grundy & Brander (F6)  vs   English & D.Smith

Grundy and donut if you have to... ;D
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: frenzy on February 12, 2020, 07:50:45 PM
Lloyd vs Whitfield

Wanna start both, can only start one, but which one.
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: walloo44 on February 12, 2020, 07:56:58 PM
Lloyd vs Whitfield

Wanna start both, can only start one, but which one.

I’d go Whitfield. Forwards seem to have very few options this year, wouldn’t not start one of the top forward locks.
Defenders there’s a few more options such as Sicily, laird, Houston, Stewart etc. so can get away without Lloyd and upgrade later without a huge risk.
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: frenzy on February 12, 2020, 11:07:18 PM
Lloyd vs Whitfield

Wanna start both, can only start one, but which one.

I’d go Whitfield. Forwards seem to have very few options this year, wouldn’t not start one of the top forward locks.
Defenders there’s a few more options such as Sicily, laird, Houston, Stewart etc. so can get away without Lloyd and upgrade later without a huge risk.

yep agree, thank you.
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: SilverLion on February 13, 2020, 10:31:30 AM
Dan "Midfield Lock" Houston vs. Jordan Dawson
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: tommy10 on February 13, 2020, 10:40:49 AM
Dan "Midfield Lock" Houston vs. Jordan Dawson
Tough one, but I would say Houston just because of Wines missing a few weeks with Houston tipped to fill that spot.
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: tommy10 on February 13, 2020, 11:33:42 AM
Coniglio v Zerrett v TKelly
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: jvalles69 on February 13, 2020, 11:50:50 AM
Coniglio v Zerrett v TKelly

Conigs
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: LordSneeze on February 13, 2020, 02:42:07 PM
Coniglio v Zerrett v TKelly
Id be saying Zerrett
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: Mat0369 on February 13, 2020, 07:57:23 PM
Dan "Midfield Lock" Houston vs. Jordan Dawson

Neither
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: sidvicious on February 13, 2020, 09:52:00 PM
Jacobs and Hannebery vs Gawn and rookie under 150 k ( not pickett or cockortwo )
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: tommy10 on February 14, 2020, 09:46:32 AM
Jacobs and Hannebery vs Gawn and rookie under 150 k ( not pickett or cockortwo )
Gawn and rookie. 1 keeper vs none
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: walloo44 on February 14, 2020, 10:46:37 AM
Houston or Sicily
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: LordSneeze on February 14, 2020, 10:51:36 AM
Houston or Sicily
Sicily
Title: Re: 2020 Player X v Player y
Post by: crowls on February 21, 2020, 02:47:00 PM
Houston or Sicily
Sicily
Based on risk v reward Sicily.  Proven scoring ability, plenty of fwd and def depth at Hawks to free him up for rebounding.    Houston has the potential to score same or outscore Sicily if he plays high mid TOG, so probably more upside to him.   Comes down to team balance and personal risk threshold.