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Title: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: Hoggyz_a_legend on January 08, 2020, 02:13:23 PM
At this stage I have both Dunkley and Bontempelli in my team, but thought I'd look up all three's scores to see if they score well in the same game, and whether there is a real case to start all 3.

Rnd 1: 132 (Macrae), 98 (Dunkley), 158 (Bontempelli)
Rnd 2: 127 (M), 76 (D), 97 (B)
Rnd 3: 139 (M), 80 (D), 124 (B)
Rnd 4: 110 (M), 73 (D), 127 (B)
Rnd 5: 97 (M), 95 (D), 104 (B)
Rnd 6: 85 (M), 93 (D), 95 (B)
Rnd 7: 107 (M), 134 (D), 146 (B)
Rnd 8: 135 (M), 136 (D), 99 (B)
Rnd 9: 124 (M), 88 (D), 96 (B)
Rnd 10: 105 (M), 130 (D), 118 (B)
Rnd 11: 84 (M), 119 (D), 73 (B)
Rnd 12: Bye
Rnd 13: 150 (M), 173 (D), 112 (B)
Rnd 14: 148 (M), 101 (D), 109 (B)
Rnd 15: 142 (M), 111 (D), 130 (B)
Rnd 16: 116 (M), 103 (D), 146 (B)
Rnd 17: 120 (M), 202 (D), 93 (B)
Rnd 18: 120 (M), 120 (D), 70 (B)
Rnd 19: 153 (M), 88 (D), 132 (B)
Rnd 20: 155 (M), 107 (D), 166 (B)
Rnd 21: 137 (M), 153 (D), 99 (B)
Rnd 22: 105 (M), 169 (D), 90 (B)
Rnd 23: 119 (M), 106 (D), 140 (B)

From this, we can see that all 3 went 100+ in 8 games. 2 went 100+ in 9 games, 1 went 100+ in 4 games, and only once did none of them ton up.

Of the games that 2 or more tonned up, not once did all 3 go 120+, but 8 times 2 of them went 130+ in a game, and twice 2 of them went 150+. And in the games that only one tonned up, not once did that player go 130+.

For the record, the Dogs lost 4/5 games where one or less tonned up.

Personally, I don't see a fully fit Libba affecting any of their scores. These 3 are way too good to be playing anywhere else for long periods of time.

Taking all of this into consideration, I don't think we can start all 3 as it's more than likely one won't ton up.

Although, I think we can easily start with two of them. Looking at the stats, I'm going to try a reshuffle and try fit in Macrae and Dunkley. If you only want to go with one, you really can't go wrong with any of them imo.
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: Peter on January 08, 2020, 03:15:19 PM
I have had Macrae and Bont in my team since day one. Both will always start in the guts, whilst Dunkley has been moved around during the season. Bont only had two scores under 80 and is now captain.
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: StuL on January 22, 2020, 10:44:44 PM
Dunk played forward early. I think he will be an even bigger breakout and must have pig this year. Got Dunk and Macrae atm.
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: Mat0369 on January 23, 2020, 01:00:27 AM
It all depends on Libba. No Libba and Dunkley is a must start.
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: Peter on January 23, 2020, 06:20:32 AM
What they do with Wallis is also the key
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: Hoggyz_a_legend on January 23, 2020, 07:44:04 AM
It all depends on Libba. No Libba and Dunkley is a must start.

Heraldsun doesn't have Libba in their best 22. And tbh neither do I. Players like Lipinski, Bailey Smith and Sam Lloyd have all gone past him.

What they do with Wallis is also the key

I think Wallis gets used as the 7th/8th midfielder. Don't think he'll affect Dunkley too much.
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: Ringo on January 23, 2020, 08:16:53 AM
Hard to see the Dogs moving Dunkley after his insane finish last season.  Wallis may be now more outside,

Libba may make little difference in my opinion.
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: sammy123 on January 23, 2020, 12:22:28 PM
Im finding this really hard. I have macrae atm but keen on him and dunks
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: Hoggyz_a_legend on January 23, 2020, 04:26:15 PM
Bonts will relish the captaincy, so whilst I won't be starting him, I think you could easily start all 3. I think Dogs will be top 6 easily, and with them being their top 3 players l, they should dominate the scoring again.
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: js19 on January 23, 2020, 05:04:01 PM
Bonts will relish the captaincy, so whilst I won't be starting him, I think you could easily start all 3. I think Dogs will be top 6 easily, and with them being their top 3 players l, they should dominate the scoring again.

I’ve got them all atm. It’s funny how people don’t think it’s a good idea to have 3 from one team on the one line, even though their scores from last year show it works. If they all went the same, they’d be top 8, and they ALL played 22 games...
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 23, 2020, 07:08:56 PM
Bonts will relish the captaincy, so whilst I won't be starting him, I think you could easily start all 3. I think Dogs will be top 6 easily, and with them being their top 3 players l, they should dominate the scoring again.

I’ve got them all atm. It’s funny how people don’t think it’s a good idea to have 3 from one team on the one line, even though their scores from last year show it works. If they all went the same, they’d be top 8, and they ALL played 22 games...

Ahhh, the same team question/debate - I've never understood it either

These 3 could replicate the glory days of Swan/Pendles/Beams

I don't see a problem starting all 3, and as you say, they're durable and barely miss games, which is a huge tick when their competition to start in our sides is the likes of Titch, Kelly, Fyfe etc who appear to have more risk in terms of missing games
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: Peter on January 23, 2020, 07:09:31 PM
The other issue to consider is all R14 byes
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: Money Shot on January 23, 2020, 07:47:27 PM
If someone has the post bye averages for these 3 players that would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: Hoggyz_a_legend on January 23, 2020, 07:56:51 PM
If someone has the post bye averages for these 3 players that would be appreciated.

Macrae- 133.18. Super consistent. 6 130+
Dunkley- 130.27. Little bit up and down. 4 150+, 7 <112.
Bonts- 117. Tailed off after the bye with a couple of big games. 4 130+
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: js19 on January 23, 2020, 11:08:24 PM
If someone has the post bye averages for these 3 players that would be appreciated.

Macrae- 133.18. Super consistent. 6 130+
Dunkley- 130.27. Little bit up and down. 4 150+, 7 <112.
Bonts- 117. Tailed off after the bye with a couple of big games. 4 130+

33 scores
28 over 100
(8 scores 150+)
(15 scores 130+)
5 under 100
2 under 90
1 under 80 (low of 70)

You get what you pay for (and more) if they deliver that. Also as noted, no rookie replacement scores to drag down 'real' average.
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: Fid on January 23, 2020, 11:39:45 PM
Any thoughts if Bont's captaincy will have a positive or negative effect on his SC scoring? 
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: Money Shot on January 24, 2020, 10:48:23 AM
Macrae and Dunkley are now locked in my side alongside Cripps. They will be the top 3 mids this year followed by Neale and Fyfe who are also in my side ;)
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: Peter on January 24, 2020, 05:55:15 PM
Remember that in late August - good luck. Have gone with Bont instead of Dunkley as not sure where he will end up playing with Libba and Wallis to come in, whereas Macrae can only play mid and Bont scores anywhere.
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: Mat0369 on January 24, 2020, 06:25:45 PM
I broke down the numbers with Libba in and out of the side. I have included the Carlton game where he got injured pretty early as a game without him.

With Libba in the side

Dunkley - 103.14
Macrae - 119.5
Bont - 114.64

Without Libba in team

Dunkley - 136.11
Macrae - 128.11
Bont - 111.44

Dunkley sees his number spike to Gaz territory in his average. Macrae also sees a huge spike because he isn't forced out to the wing as much. Bont loses points but it isn't a huge drop off.

Dunkley also averaged 111.3 post bye 2018 when he was put into a full time midfield role. Using the available data, if Libba is out of the team and Dunkley plays in a full time midfield role he is the guy to own and it's not even close. He is also 30k cheaper than Macrae. Macrae is the safer pick because he has the higher floor of the two. Bont probably doesn't gain or lose that much either way with how the Dogs line up.
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: crowls on January 25, 2020, 10:23:48 AM
Hi Mat,  do those dunkley figures include the games when he was playing fwd and not mid?   
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: Mat0369 on January 25, 2020, 12:54:58 PM
The 2018 figures are from when he came back into the side in round 14 and appeared to play the majority of his footy in the midfield.

The 2019 figures are for every game last year. It has been broken down to include the games that Libba in and out of the side. So it's pretty clear that when Libba plays it impacts Dunkley's role/scoring potential
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: frenzy on January 25, 2020, 05:57:22 PM
maca 29
dunks 18
bont 10
 
% of early teams and currently starting all 3.
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: ubeaut on January 25, 2020, 10:50:23 PM
Macrae and Dunkley are now locked in my side alongside Cripps. They will be the top 3 mids this year followed by Neale and Fyfe who are also in my side ;)
Hope you're right, that's my midfield with Oliver instead of Neale.
Hedging my bets with Dunks and Macrae, thinking only one will get tagged and that's if they don't tag Bont first
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: meow meow on January 26, 2020, 01:32:18 AM
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...s/news-story/4c97eba602c58b299c0874f9c1119b67

“And if my role is a little bit more forward then I will do that for success. My first year I remember that clearly I was playing a lot more forward and I needed to pinch hit in the middle when Bonti was cooked in that finals series.

“I played my role and if that’s what I’ve got to do in 2020 then that’s what I’ve got to do. I’m happy to sacrifice the individual accolades for the team success.”



Go ahead and pick Dunkley the forward!

Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: ubeaut on January 26, 2020, 05:39:57 PM
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...s/news-story/4c97eba602c58b299c0874f9c1119b67

“And if my role is a little bit more forward then I will do that for success. My first year I remember that clearly I was playing a lot more forward and I needed to pinch hit in the middle when Bonti was cooked in that finals series.

“I played my role and if that’s what I’ve got to do in 2020 then that’s what I’ve got to do. I’m happy to sacrifice the individual accolades for the team success.”



Go ahead and pick Dunkley the forward!
Can't see the rest of the article but this seems speculation on "if" he has to play fwd rather than he's expecting to play fwd.
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: js19 on January 26, 2020, 07:11:03 PM
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...s/news-story/4c97eba602c58b299c0874f9c1119b67

“And if my role is a little bit more forward then I will do that for success. My first year I remember that clearly I was playing a lot more forward and I needed to pinch hit in the middle when Bonti was cooked in that finals series.

“I played my role and if that’s what I’ve got to do in 2020 then that’s what I’ve got to do. I’m happy to sacrifice the individual accolades for the team success.”



Go ahead and pick Dunkley the forward!
Can't see the rest of the article but this seems speculation on "if" he has to play fwd rather than he's expecting to play fwd.

Channel 7 reporting Libba will definitely start through the VFL as he struggles with knee soreness. Means there won’t be a real early sample of where Dunks plays when he returns I guess...
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: RaisyDaisy on January 26, 2020, 08:03:45 PM
Regarding Dunkley, I think it comes down to this:

If you think he is going to go 120+ then back yourself and pick him

If you think he will go 115 or lower, then pick someone else

He's priced at 116 or so, so he's not exactly cheap (unless he goes 120+)

Seems like the safe play is just to pick another mid in that price range who is more proven and has no uncertainty, then look at Dunks as an upgrade target, or if you're happy to riskit for the biscuit get on board

Here's a left field idea - with TK leaving Geelong that might see Jelwood back in the mids - at 465k you can either keep him if he does in fact go back to the 105+ Jelly we know, or if does start off slow and Dunks go nuts it won't be too hard turning Jelwood into Dunks
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: Ringo on January 27, 2020, 09:15:36 AM
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/01/26/report-key-bulldog-to-miss-start-of-2020-season/

For information Libba may miss start of the season. Tis may ot may not assist with your decisions.
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: _wato on January 30, 2020, 11:44:48 AM
It’s a tough decision but I’m gonna pick the guy who has back to back 123+ seasons over the other two guys. Don’t care how good Dunkley is he’s an upgrade target for me. FWIW currently have

Neale Macrae Cripps Danger Fyfe. However with cash an issue Fyfe (misses games) would be the one to go for Oliver.
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: crowls on January 31, 2020, 08:16:55 PM
spot on wato,  swap oliver for fyfe and that is best five with least risk option
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: eaglesman on January 31, 2020, 08:57:09 PM
spot on wato,  swap oliver for fyfe and that is best five with least risk option

I’m macrae jkelly cripps Sanger Oliver.
Title: Re: Macrae vs Dunkley vs Bontempelli
Post by: StuL on January 31, 2020, 09:19:23 PM
Liking Macrae AND Dunk. Will want both by the end of the year. Set and forget and kching.