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Title: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on October 30, 2011, 06:14:13 PM
Will keep updating team on front page rather than start new threads:

Updated Team 8th January
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, G. Broughton, N. Grima, B. Lake, M. Buntine, B. Ellis (S. Morris, B. Smedts)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, M. Murphy, J. Selwood, M. Barlow, K. Jack, J. McDonald( L. Brown  T. Couch)
RUC: M. Leuenberger, M. Lobbe (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, M. Pavlich, D. Martin, J. Brown, J. Porplyzia, D. Pfeiffer, A. Saad (A. Treloar, D. Zorko)
CASH LEFT: $3,400
 
Updated Team 23rd January
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, J. Adcock, B. Lake, T. Mohr, S. Morris (B. Smedts, B. Wilkes)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, A. Swallow, J. Selwood, M. Barlow, S. Clifton, D. Shiel (L. Brown, D. Zorko)
RUC: A. Sandilands, M. Leuenberger (J. Redden, O. Stephenson)
FWD: M. Pavlich, D. Martin, L. Adams, S. Sidebottom, J. Brown, A. Treloar, H. Crozier (M. Panos, T. Couch)
CASH LEFT: $4,900

Updated Team 10th February
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, R. Murphy, B. Lake, T. Mohr, S. Morris (B. Smedts, B. Wilkes)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, A. Swallow, J. Selwood, M. Barlow, S. Clifton, D. Shiel (L. Brown, D. Zorko)
RUC: Z. Smith, M. Leuenberger (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: M. Pavlich, L. Franklin, A. Goodes, S. Sidebottom, J. Brown, A. Treloar, H. Crozier (S. Rowe, T. Couch)
CASH LEFT: $8,100

Updated Team 29th February
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, R. Murphy, D. Heppell, B. Ellis, S. Darley (S. Morris, B. Smedts)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, M. Boyd, J. Selwood, J. Caddy, S. Clifton, D. Shiel (D. Zorko, J. Magner)
RUC: Z. Smith, M. Leuenberger (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes, B. Harvey, S. Sidebottom, P. Dangerfield, D. Pfeiffer, T. Walsh (H. Crozier, A. Hall)

Final Team subject to Rookie changes as at 21st March
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, G Broughton, J Adcock, B. Ellis, S. Darley (J.Allen, T Bugg)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, T. Rockliff, J. Selwood, C. Smith,  S. Clifton, J. McDonald(H. Cunningham, J Magner)
RUC: D. Cox, J Reddan (J. Giles, B. Longer)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes, N Fyfe, D. Martin, P. Dangerfield, J, Porplyzia, D Smith (T Dickson A Halll)

Round 6 Team
DEF: B. Goddard (VC), B. Deledio, J. Geary, G Broughton, P Hanley, S Morris, T Bugg (J Paine, B. Ellis, )
MID: T. Rockliff, (C) J. Selwood, N Dal Santo, D Shiels, T Magner,J McDonald (A Treloar (E) G. Ablett jnr)
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (,J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes,  B Harvey,  D. Martin, P. Dangerfield, J, Porplyzia,D Smith ,  (A Hall,A Kennedy ,(E)  )
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: charliesheen on October 30, 2011, 06:22:09 PM
Lotta Brissie Lion players  8)

Both Patton & Izzy might be risky.
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: Bluesman on October 30, 2011, 09:03:37 PM
Using Fan Planner at this point so only using players named.  One of my Rookies will probably become Zorko.

TEAM NAME: Circles Underdogs
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Gibbs, P. Puopolo, N. Malceski, R. Lester, J. Lisle, M. Buntine (S. Docherty, T. Hine)
MID: S. Pendlebury, M. Murphy, A. Goodes, J. Selwood, J. Redden, J. Polec (B. Hill, W. Andreoli)
RUC: M. Leuenberger, M. Kreuzer (J. Giles, B. Grundy)
FWD: N. Fyfe, J. Riewoldt, J. Brown, T. Cloke, J. Patton, A. Morabito, W. Hoskin-Elliott (I. Folau, J. Porplyzia)
CASH LEFT: $1,200

Please feel free to pull apart
Brad Hill can't play til 2013 i think....otherwise not too bad for a start :) Perhaps a little weak in the Backs- upgrade Puopolo/Malceski to a premium and downgrade Redden/Polec??
 
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: truBLUE on October 31, 2011, 10:20:09 AM
Great team Ringo  , redden a unique choice i like,  had pretty good averages in both DT-109.18 and S/C-102.86 ,he may go another step 2012 , was looking at same ruck combo ,Kreuzer going up fwd could be some good scores  :)
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: Ringo on October 31, 2011, 10:48:01 AM
Lotta Brissie Lion players  8)

Both Patton & Izzy might be risky.
I realise that Charlie but team will probably change numerous times.  just thought some blokes coming back from injury may give some upside down the track. Brown, Lester, and Polec in this category.  Both Lester and Polec looked good prior to injury. Went with Redden and Leuie as I think there is further upside to their games this year.

I think Izzy may be OK as well given unlike Hunt has has 12 months in the game and he has been kicking goals for GWS.
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: Torpedo10 on October 31, 2011, 08:07:50 PM
I would be a bit worried about Brown. He is aging and his aggressive style could hurt him again. Where is Rockliff or Swan? You need to include one of those guys if not both. Downgrade Polec to Tyson and upgrade Murphy to Rockliff. I would also downgrade Redden to Bartel and try to upgrade Cloke to Franklin. If you think you need to. Not 100% sure if you need to. Be wary of Kreuzer as he will play most of his time deep forward and could be injury-prone.
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: charliesheen on October 31, 2011, 08:31:30 PM
I would be a bit worried about Brown. He is aging and his aggressive style could hurt him again. Where is Rockliff or Swan? You need to include one of those guys if not both. Downgrade Polec to Tyson and upgrade Murphy to Rockliff. I would also downgrade Redden to Bartel and try to upgrade Cloke to Franklin. If you think you need to. Not 100% sure if you need to. Be wary of Kreuzer as he will play most of his time deep forward and could be injury-prone.

whats wrong with murphy :O.  carlton have an awesome schedule 2012.

Bartel's pure mid days are over.
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: Ringo on October 31, 2011, 08:36:34 PM
With the announcement on Otten's retirement will be seriously considering West ($243,800) as R2 rather than Kruezer. I know it worked for some last year but wary of having both Swan and Pendleberry.  I am hoping Redden will be a unique this year and do a Rockliff.  Redden averaged 102 in SC last year so not the worst.
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: charliesheen on October 31, 2011, 08:41:53 PM
With the announcement on Otten's retirement will be seriously considering West as R2 rather than Kruezer. I know it worked for some last year but wary of having both Swan and Pendleberry.  I am hoping Redden will be a unique this year and do a Rockliff.  Redden averaged 102 in SC last year so not the worst.

I have been considering 1 premium ruck for some time, and rotating the 100k (Giles) & 250k (Maric, West) rucks, then upgrading after the byes. 

With the changes to the interchange rules and clearances becoming more important, rucks are having a bigger influence on games. 

In previous years, you did not have the luxury of being able to rotate underpriced rucks, and really only had the 'set and forget' options, but I think a lot has changed.

The problem, if you want Cox/Sandilands, you have to grab them early before their performances taper in the 2nd half of the season.

Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: Ringo on October 31, 2011, 08:47:06 PM
Thanks again CS - will probably change 100 times but investigating now Luenberger, West, Maric plus rookie probably Giles as ruck combo. May look at Clark, Tippet, Petrie or Kruezer as R/F DPP as extra cover.
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: charliesheen on October 31, 2011, 08:51:39 PM
Imagine rotating

Hmac, West <Maric, Giles>

If you rotate them correctly, it could actually work.  That is a big IF though.

If I were to go for the 2 premium ruck set up right now, it would probably be Leuy & Goldstein.  Goldstein is probably at the right age, and I'm going to find it very hard to ignore him, even with Hmac in same side.  North also have a very desirable schedule.

Think Leuy is also being massively underated by non-BL supporters.
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: Torpedo10 on October 31, 2011, 08:59:44 PM
There's nothing wrong with Murphy it's just Rockliff should have a better year and less people should pick him.
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: charliesheen on October 31, 2011, 09:03:20 PM
There's nothing wrong with Murphy it's just Rockliff should have a better year and less people should pick him.

fair enough.  just had a look at the multi-byes

Quote
Round 11: Adelaide, Brisbane, GWS, North Melbourne, West Coast and the Western Bulldogs
Round 12: Collingwood, Geelong, Sydney, Fremantle, Essendon and Melbourne
Round 13: Carlton, Gold Coast, Hawthorn, Port Adelaide, Richmond and St Kilda

That throws Leuy & Goldy out :(
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: Torpedo10 on October 31, 2011, 09:06:12 PM
Your right about the multi  byes but I am going for league and It will probably be a bye round.
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: Samm79 on November 01, 2011, 08:37:51 PM
Love the risk of Malceski and the uniqueness of Redden.

Malceski is a big maybe for me, wouldn't be surprised if he averaged 90 plus for the season but cannot get the idea out of my head  that he is going to get an LTI again... Redden is a great pick up and you'd like to think he can up the ante and average 110.

Goodes is a little over priced for mine and did sustain a minor knee injury late in the year. Even if he is on song he has the ability to pull a couple of low scores which will make him a steal mid season.

Both Murphy and Rockliff are guns, Murphy being so consistent over the past couple of years, both should be stars of 2012.

Like the team, should go well!
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: charliesheen on November 01, 2011, 10:31:03 PM
Malceski will be cheap.  Problem is I just don't trust LARS, and I think the people are now moving away from this surgery.

I see ~4 people able to push their average to ~115 and beyond.

1. Selwood (due to concussion)
2. Mundy (between rounds 1-10 had the 2nd HIGHEST average behind pendlebury of ~120, before his leg).
3. Rockliff (started the year slowly then was unstoppable).
4. A.Swallow (is at the right age ~25, has a good schedule, just needs to get rid of the 70's)

Maybe I have missed some others but those are the main ones.  Whether all 4 do it, is certainly possible.

Murphy has a very very good schedule, and has a very good standard deviation, his price barely goes through a massive trough like Judd.

From rounds 11-15, Carlton play

Round 11. Geelong Cats
Round 12. West Coast Eagles
Bye
Round 13. Hawthorn
Round 14. Collingwood

Which happen to be the most miserly teams when it comes to super coach scoring.  So there is a legitimate reason for starting some of the Carlton mids in round 1.
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: Ringo on November 04, 2011, 07:44:55 PM
Have updated Team in first post. Will be updating periodically based on comments and pre- season. Unfortunately I will be in the US when SC opens in Feb so will finalise team on my return
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: MTTY on November 16, 2011, 01:15:48 PM
Backs: Very unique backline i must say Ringo. Goddard and Gibbs as your two solid scorers, i am having similar ideas with Darling as you are with Puopolo. Malceski is iffy after his constant injuries and price is still fairly high if i'm correct. Lester is quality and seeing as your a Brisbane supporter good to see you've recognised that, unfortunate with his injury this year cam out of no where.

Midfield: Pendles, Murphy and Selwood are all great picks, however Goodes in the midfield is a questionable let alone forward considering he may spend less time in the Swans midfield and play more as a permanent forward coudl reduce his points, however in the midfield there are better options for that price. Redden could up his game in SC further this season and is a tackling machie which is always good.

Rucks: West will imo be the full-time ruck and based on his consistentcy last season will be a good pick at that price. Maric is a little bit expensive at that price for your bench it may be worth while putting in Stnaley (R/F) for now and having a R/F in your forwards such as Ryder or Kruezer.

Forwards: Lot of value in the forwards this season good to see you've utilised it i have a similar plan in my mind. Brown is questionable but will be a good pick if he can regain fitness, however with the way double teaming has got he may be like Riewoldt with the game surpassing him. Fyfe and Cloke both solid, while Adams will be a good unique with the time he has in the middle in some games. 
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: Ringo on November 16, 2011, 09:03:18 PM
Thanks MTTY - You will note in my second Team posted I have replaced Malceski with Rhyce Shaw as a possible unique going on how he finished the season with an average above 100 for the last 6 games.
Goodes nay become Mundy just seeing how Mundy performs in the NAB cup with Goodes being an upgrade target when his price bottoms out if he follows previous years by coming good in the back half of the season.
Take your point with Maric but rationale was to have 3 playing rucks to cover byes without expensive DPP Stanley a bit expensive at $194k for this purpose. Will consider if we end up with another rookie DPP like Joel Tippett at a rookie price.

Keep the faith with Brownie he is doing his first full pre season in 10 years and looks extremely fit. He has gone to Arizona as part of a small Lions contingent as well. (Merrett, Brown, Rockliff, Black and Adcock)

Do you have any thoughts on Dustin Martin this year still got him under consideration but got a little burnt last season
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: MTTY on November 16, 2011, 09:09:12 PM
Thanks MTTY - You will note in my second Team posted I have replaced Malceski with Rhyce Shaw as a possible unique going on how he finished the season with an average above 100 for the last 6 games.
Goodes nay become Mundy just seeing how Mundy performs in the NAB cup with Goodes being an upgrade target when his price bottoms out if he follows previous years by coming good in the back half of the season.
Take your point with Maric but rationale was to have 3 playing rucks to cover byes without expensive DPP Stanley a bit expensive at $194k for this purpose. Will consider if we end up with another rookie DPP like Joel Tippett at a rookie price.

Keep the faith with Brownie he is doing his first full pre season in 10 years and looks extremely fit.

Do you have any thoughts on Dustin Martin this year still got him under consideration but got a little burnt last season

Big fan of R.Shaw very underated for his ability and points scoring in SC. Yeah it tends to be a trend with Goodes to start poorly. I get the logic for Maric and is very good alternative to the DPP suggestion.

My opinion on Martin is as long as Cotchin is in the team Martin is less likely to cop a tag, Martin seems to only score low when he is tagged so the logic points to him being a good pick especially hwo he has performed with only two pre-seasons another will only make him better.
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: Ringo on December 02, 2011, 09:20:21 AM
TEAM NAME: Ringos Stars
DEF: B. Deledio, B. Gibbs, P. Puopolo, H. Grundy, A. Selwood, J. Lisle, M. Talia (S. Docherty, M. Buntine)
MID: M. Murphy, J. Selwood, J. Watson, J. Redden, A. Christensen, C. Wingard (D. Shiel, D. Tyson)
RUC: H. McIntosh, T. West (O. Stephenson, I. Maric)
FWD: L. Franklin, T. Cloke, L. Adams, P. Dangerfield, J. Brown, J. Porplyzia, A. Saad (D. Zorko, W. Hoskin-Elliott)
CASH LEFT: $46,100

Whilst FF was down created another mock up team.

Thoughts on this team especially unique Ruck Structure.
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: SAMCRO on December 04, 2011, 04:51:59 AM
In that team ^^ I don't like the Puopolo, Grundy, Selwood combo down back. I'd downgrade one and upgrade another.

In the 4th November team, pretty solid all round. West and Adams may be a masterstroke. Or it may backfire. Badly.
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team Updated December
Post by: Ringo on December 07, 2011, 03:19:33 PM
Have updated Team as a result of change in FF Magic Number to come within Salary Cap. (Also updated in first post)

Please feel free to comment on this updated team:

TEAM NAME: Circles Underdogs
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Gibbs, B. Deledio, R. Shaw, P. Bower, M. Talia, M. Buntine (S. Docherty, T. Hine)
MID: S. Pendlebury, M. Murphy, G. Ablett jnr, J. Selwood, J. Redden, C. Wingard (D. Zorko, M. Clarke)
RUC: M. Leuenberger, T. West (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, L. Adams, J. Brown, T. Cloke, A. Saad, A. Morabito, W. Hoskin-Elliott (I. Folau, J. Porplyzia)
CASH LEFT: $77,700

Obviusly Rookies will depend on pre season. One may become Rowe who is not yet listed on FF,
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: charliesheen on December 07, 2011, 03:57:22 PM
I had a look at the new FF planner.  I'm just going to ignore these byes, imo, it's just going to influence my decision too much again. 

If I get a donut, I get a donut, imo, its going to be very difficult to dodge them next year.

I reckon if D.Zorko and T.Dickson get M/F that would make them both extremely appealing.  The bombers were really disappointed about missing on Dickson.

L.Adam is an interesting pick and I think has potential with some mid field numbers.

I think you might be paying overs for Buntine, Wingard, WHE and potentially Morabito.  Its a pretty big investment to have all 4.

Who do you think will fall in as the top 7 forwards for next year?  I have Pavlich in it, and if you want to pick him, you need to pick him early before he fades in 2nd half.
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: Ringo on December 07, 2011, 06:40:37 PM
Not factoring in  byes atm as it will do your head in trying to make a team.  Just waiting to see the rules that come out and am structuring team without bye consideration at the moment.  This team was a result of changed values.  Do you think I have gone too strong in mids.  Based it on the fact that mids were the higher scoring potential this year. may come undone this year.

I to am hoping Zorko retains his current m/f dpp listing. Also was considering Dickson.

As I said rookies will change as a result of pre season and who is named. 

With forwards interesting Top 7 from this year in order Franklin, Goodes, Fyfe, Steve Johnson, Pavlich, O'Keefe Chapman with Boomer Harvey just behind. All except Johnson and Franklin have a duel mid as well. Out of those I think Chapman may fall as well,  Goodes finishes strong but does not start well.  Maybe start Pav and then as he peaks trade to Goodes!! but then Goodes is getting on a bit as well.
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: tferrier18 on December 07, 2011, 06:49:29 PM
Goodes isn't 'getting on'

Either is boomer

They're both very very fit and as we saw this season are capable of playing 22 games. I'd expect both of those two to play 20+ games nxt year
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: charliesheen on December 07, 2011, 06:59:37 PM
Did you have a look at the new pricing of West, Maric, & Hmac, etc?  If its only 10% discount, I would probably avoid them.

Lets assume Sandilands/Mumford/Golstein/Cox/etc.  average ~115 sc before the upgrades start occurring.

West would have to average ~95 sc to break even, and 100+ to give you extra ground over a premium ruck.  Thats using the magic number used by monty.  I guess its possible, but he will have to start the season firing, rather than building up.

These are the mid field numbers for 2010 vs 2011 if your are interested

average      2010/2011
90-100    19/23 
100-110      13/11
110-115      5/6
115-120      3/4
120+      2/3

I think the bigger change in numbers was after 2009.  2010 and 2011 slight increase.
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: Ringo on December 07, 2011, 07:53:22 PM
Yes Charlie looking at that and as you and I know will change minds dozens of times between now and kick off but just enjoying some good old discussion pre season.

West may become Mummie, Goldie or Cox with Buntine, Wingard and co punted for lower priced rookies. Happy with Giles and Stephenson.  Can not see us playing Longer unless injury strikes Berger or Hudson.
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: charliesheen on December 08, 2011, 10:12:57 AM
btw, I like your 5 premium mids.  thats what my team is looking like atm, though bit worried it might mean I'm short on cash cows  :-\.  will have to go light in forward or backs depending on preseason.

who knows it could be the forwards that kill it next year (zorko, dickson, porplyzia, wilks, etc.)
Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: Ringo on December 14, 2011, 03:56:57 PM
Have updated yet again to remove Gibbs as Back and made a few other changes.

Rucks will probably be set and forget unless injury or form changes things.
Rookies again subject to change based on pre season
 
TEAM NAME: Circles Underdogs
DEF: B. Goddard, C. Newman, B. Deledio, B. Houli, P. Bower, M. Talia, B. Smedts (J. Lockyer, T. Hine)
MID: S. Pendlebury, M. Murphy, G. Ablett jnr, J. Selwood, J. Redden, S. Kerridge (A. Morabito, E. Kavanagh)
RUC: M. Leuenberger, D. Cox (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, L. Adams, J. Brown, T. Cloke, A. Saad, S. Kersten, D. Zorko (I. Folau, J. Porplyzia)
CASH LEFT: $24,100

Feel free to pull apart
 
 

Title: Re: Ringo's Draft 2012 Team
Post by: Bluesman on December 16, 2011, 08:09:32 PM
Have updated yet again to remove Gibbs as Back and made a few other changes.

Rucks will probably be set and forget unless injury or form changes things.
Rookies again subject to change based on pre season
 
TEAM NAME: Circles Underdogs
DEF: B. Goddard, C. Newman, B. Deledio, B. Houli, P. Bower, M. Talia, B. Smedts (J. Lockyer, T. Hine)
MID: S. Pendlebury, M. Murphy, G. Ablett jnr, J. Selwood, J. Redden, S. Kerridge (A. Morabito, E. Kavanagh)
RUC: M. Leuenberger, D. Cox (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, L. Adams, J. Brown, T. Cloke, A. Saad, S. Kersten, D. Zorko (I. Folau, J. Porplyzia)
CASH LEFT: $24,100

Feel free to pull apart

Wouldn't be that confident with Bower.
Talia looks ok but i'm going to wait & see.
Morabito- wait & see his role.
Adams...interesting...time will tell
Would have question marks over Kersten's place in team just at the moment assuming no injuries,,,

Other than these more 'obvious' selections, i guess time and pre-season will tell!!  8)
Title: Re: Ringo's Updated FF Team - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on December 21, 2011, 07:59:42 PM
Updated Team 27 December to reflect Final Prices and Byes

TEAM NAME: Circles Underdogs
DEF: B. Goddard, G. Broughton, B. Deledio, B. Lake, B. Ellis, A. Toovey, B. Smedts (J. Bews, S. Morris)
MID: S. Pendlebury, M. Murphy, G. Ablett jnr, M. Barlow, D. Rich, J. McDonald (S. Docherty, D. Zorko)
RUC: M. Leuenberger, B. McEvoy (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, N. Fyfe, J. Brown, A. Saad, J. Moore, A. Pattison, S. Clifton (A. Christensen, S. Rowe)
CASH LEFT: $2,500

Feel free to comment and be brutal. First attempt with byes and updated prices. Docherty and Zorko in mids are to give the DPP to backs and forwards.

Think Rich will benefit this year from the extra attention both Rockliff and Redden will receive.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: lozza63 on December 28, 2011, 10:56:12 AM
Hey Ringo - i feel that your forwards and backs have way too long a tail - Saad at F4 and Lake at B4.

I feel Rich will not break into the top 10-15 mids so as such is a very expensive midpricer! I made a mistake taking Boak last year and fully regretted the pick - doubt that Rich will be any different, just doesnt pick up enough touches consistently - also would still be the one sides tag most as Rocky is sometimes wayward with his kicking. Is Rich's tank developed enough? I think that Rocky has such a big tank that he is nigh on impossible to tag btw. Redden i really love as a tackling machine. Reckon both those kids will out score Rich.
Both Barlow and Rich just too risky and expensive - especially if neither come off?
JB seems a big risk - when was the last time he played 20 games, will the body hold out?

I like the inclusion of James McDonald.
Rucks look fine.
The ten premiums look very solid - 7 of them are likely to grace most sides - Goddard, Deledio, Pendles, Murphy, Gazza, Buddy, and Fyfe.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on December 28, 2011, 11:24:30 AM
Thank You for comments appreciated:

Maybe not the exact order just the way the come out of FF.  Moore will probably be F4 and Christensen F5 or vice versa.
Brownie played all but 1 game in seaons 2007 t0 2009 so endurance is there and it is only injury that slowed him down.

With Backs Toovey is probably B4 and Lake B5

I have selected Rich based on this article - know clubs talk up players but he has been tearing it up in pre season training.
http://www.lions.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/5085/newsid/127373/default.aspx

With current set up I have calculated that I can avoid donuts in Rounds 11 -13 with no trades in Round 11 and 3 each in Rounds 12 & 13.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: lozza63 on December 28, 2011, 11:56:17 AM
Fair enough Ringo - still that article wont help him gain any more of the footy? Fact is last year he only averaged 19 touches per game - not good enough for mine, and you have to ask yourself will he be top ten total ponts in mids???? Also opposition coaches still recognise him as a goal scoring danger - so he will be watched closely

For mine - Ablett, Pendles, Selwood, Murphy, Judd, Swan, Dal Santo, Mitchell, Redden, Rocky, Daisy, Watson, Priddis, Shuey, Scott Thompson, Montagna, and Boyd will all score higher than him.

If you see him better than these blokes then pick him, cause in the end we are after the more points possible!

I also cant see Toovey averaging more than 60 this either btw

I'm a guns rookie man this year - last year i started with Boak - and he disappointed badly. Hope Rich will be different for you though.
Title: Ringos Muck Around Team
Post by: Ringo on January 07, 2012, 03:42:13 PM
Just thought I would through this muck around Team out there for comment:
Strategy behind it is that Rucks this year may be all over the place with really no standouts so I came up with a weak structure offset by strength in other lines.
Feel free to pull apart and comment  on Strategy especially if strengths will offset loss in rucks
Backs
GODDARD, Brendon [MID]
DELEDIO, Brett [MID]
THOMPSON, Scott D.
HEPPELL, Dyson
GRIMA, Nathan
SUBAN, Nick
LAKE, Brian
ELLIS, Brandon
SMEDTS, Billie [FWD]

Midfielders
ABLETT, Gary
MURPHY, Marc
ROCKLIFF, Tom
SELWOOD, Joel
BARLOW, Michael
STEVENS, Koby
PFEIFFER,Darren[FWD]
BROWN, Luke[DEF]

Rucks
WEST, Trent
GILES, Jonathan
DERICKX, Tom
STEPHENSEN, Orren

FRANKLIN, Lance
MARTIN, Dustin[MID]
SIDEBOTTOM,Steele[MID]
BROWN, Jonathan
TOMLINSON,Adam[DEF]
WALSH,Tommy
SAAD, Ahmed
ZORKO, Dayne[MID]
HALL, Aaron
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: ossie85 on January 07, 2012, 05:05:01 PM

I could get behind the weak ruck, but your forward line is weak also :( Think you'll be spending all your time fixing it
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: lozza63 on January 07, 2012, 05:42:47 PM
Ringo u got Darren Pfeiffer twice.
I wold consider Sam Rowe at R4 - he may get some game time at Carlton. Other than that that ruck structure is really too radical!

Seems as if you have looked for some PODs - starting x2 North backs is interesting. Both are KDPs and could be rather risky, yet i dont mind them at all. Looks as if Grima is making good progress from his patchy '11 (back dramas iirc). I'm not a fan of Lake as you have probs read from my other  squad reviews. Dont like Suban for fantasy - seems to be stuck around the 60s mark - waste of a mid pricer there. I would down grade him to say Morris and use the extra coin elsewhere.

Somehow i feel that Swan and Pendles should both be top 5 total point scorers - i see you will only be able to trade in one - i presume you intend to keep your 5 starting mids?

I dont mind your forwards though - four solid keepers there. I can see Sidebottom improving into the 90s and JB is a star worth the punt i guess.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on January 08, 2012, 05:59:34 PM
TEAM NAME: Circles Underdogs Updated 8th January
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, G. Broughton, N. Grima, B. Lake, M. Buntine, B. Ellis (S. Morris, B. Smedts)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, M. Murphy, J. Selwood, M. Barlow, K. Jack, L. Brown (J. McDonald, T. Couch)
RUC: M. Leuenberger, M. Lobbe (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, M. Pavlich, D. Martin, J. Brown, J. Porplyzia, D. Pfeiffer, A. Saad (A. Treloar, D. Zorko)
CASH LEFT: $3,400

Comments on this team welcome  - Know I have gone with Lobbe as second Ruck but I expect him to step up this year with the departure of Brogan and may be one of my uniques. Have gone with a prem and mid price ruck structure and loaded up other lines.
Rookies not set in stone and will be reassessed following NAB Cup. Reasonably happy with prems.

All comments welcome and feel free to pull apart.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Dave80 on January 08, 2012, 07:40:41 PM
We all know that lake and porps are in the team as a wait and see approach, it's very early but they will be in everyone's team if they have a good nab! Not so sure about lobbe! Brogs didn't play much last year and he didn't cut the mustard, with renouf coming into the list I say no no for me! Can't wait to see all rmt come end of march
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on January 08, 2012, 08:55:59 PM
Thank You
As a Port supporter Do you think Renouf will get more time than Lobbe   Originally I was tempted to go to Renouf who was $160k cheaper but went for the higher value. May still do and have a bigger upgrade some where else. eg Porps may become Varcoe
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Dave80 on January 08, 2012, 09:09:38 PM
Yeh mate IMO that's why port traded for him. Lobbe still 2 yrs away from being #1 ruck, but as all selections go at this point wait for preseason games!  Would be ditching pfeiffer b4 porps. Tomlinson is in my team ATM as dpp swap with smedts b/f.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on January 08, 2012, 09:17:39 PM
Hi Ringo,

I've seen you've changed your team quite a fair bit each time.  Interested to hear your thoughts on who you think are 100% locks.  What I've done is written down a list of who I think will fall into the top 10 in each position at the end of 2012 without looking at the byes so that my decision making is not compromised.  Then I've adjusted some of my picks based on the bye situation and the fixtures.

You should probably add Clifton in there somewhere  ;)
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on January 08, 2012, 09:46:13 PM
Thanks CS missed you for a while. I put a couple of play teams up separately for comments on different strategies but in the end they all got into this thread.

I have 2 lists going at the moment for my team one that lists the 15 prems I would like to have from Round 1 and a list of low to medium price players who have potential to increase in value and possibly be keepers Brownie, Jack and Grima are on this list to assist meeting cap and the other a list of about 25 rookies to keep an eye on in NAB Cup including Clifton.

Do you think the DPP is important this year. I do not think it is as important as last year but I think still need a bit of flexibility.

Ideally my 4 keepers for each position would be and i appreciate your comments on this:
Backs: Goddard, Lids, Shaw, Broughton/Adcock
Mids: Ablett, Murphy, Selwood, Barlow (IF I can not get enough to upgrade to Swan or Pendles)
Rucks: Berger Mummy/McEvoy
Forwards: Franklin, Pav, Martin, Brown if he can remain injury free.

Not enough cash at the moment for all

 
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on January 08, 2012, 09:56:40 PM
Tough question, I think a lot depends on your strategy, which will be a very individual thing.

Personally, I wouldn't risk it with K. Jack.  I think Barlow, Lake, Grima, Porpz, will be enough on your plate.  Maybe consider merging KJack with something else.

Lobbe is an interesting selection, otherwise solid structure. 
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on January 13, 2012, 03:32:02 PM
Trying to decide my final structure so am posting 2 teams here with differing Ruck Structures.
Please comment on both and which Team you consider the better for SC.

TEAM 1: Mid Price Ruck and 3 rookies
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, S. Thompson, (Roos) P. Hanley, N. Grima, N. Suban, P. Bower (B. Ellis, B. Smedts)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, M. Murphy, J. Selwood, S. Thompson, (Adel) M. Barlow, J. McDonald (L. Brown, S. Clifton )
RUC: T. West, J. Giles (S. Rowe, O. Stephenson)
FWD: S. Johnson, M. Pavlich, D. Martin, J. Brown, J. Porplyzia, A. Saad, D. Pfeiffer (T. Walsh, D. Zorko)
CASH LEFT: $14,300

TEAM 2: Prem Ruck 3 Rookies
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, B. Houli, B. Lake, B. Ellis, T. Mohr (S. Morris, B. Smedts)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, M. Murphy, J. Selwood, D. Rich, M. Barlow, S. Clifton (L. Brown, J. McDonald)
RUC: M. Leuenberger, J. Giles (O. Stephenson, S. Rowe)
FWD: S. Johnson, M. Pavlich, D. Martin, J. Brown, T. Varcoe, A. Saad, A. Treloar (T. Walsh, D. Zorko)
CASH LEFT: $24,300

Leaning towards the structure of Team 1 at the Moment. Have in mind Further prems I require with upgrades eg franklin in forwards when his price bottoms out as imo his price will fall in the initial rounds with Hawks tough draw. Goodes in second half of season. 
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: SAMCRO on January 13, 2012, 05:24:35 PM
Don't really know much about rookies so I'll just leave them.

Team 1
Def - Thompson, Hanley, can these guys improve scoring enough to be a definite keeper? Will Grima get back to his 2010 form? How will Suban be used with a new coach?
Mid - I like it.
Ruck - West could make or break you here.
Fwd - Good.

Team 2
Def - 4 Tigers and Goddard with the round 13 bye. Houli looks to be a good pick though.
Mid - Nice. Rich and Barlow should get back to their best form.
Ruck - I'm a fan of the 1-3 ruck structure so can't fault this.
Fwd - Good.

IMO, Team 2, less unique picks but just looks to be a team that could score more consistently. Team 1 to me has too many players that could either be a great pick or a dud.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: DCAK on January 13, 2012, 10:57:43 PM
Hey Ringo, before I comment on either of your teams I wonder if yopu can tell me what exactly your objective is? ie League win, weekly high scores, overall win? Don't you think that by going in so light on in the ruck department that you'll bleed points to an opponent with a more heavy duty ruck combo? It may well be that difference that costs you a win or two early on. I am assuming that your intent is to achieve maximum financial return through selling off 3 or even 4 ruckmen during the season and upgrading. Last year I picked my team along the lines of the G & R theory.  My idea being to utilise three premium MID's and three rookie MID's, in the belief that the midfield is where a younger body is most likely able to be utilised to best result (as opposed to DEF/FWD). Although I picked good rookies, it wasn't enough and I lost, in fact I lost the first few rounds. My league is quite a competitive league so as it turns out I took too much of a risk. Remember a loss or two early on may be what keeps you from the finals in a quality league. There endeth the sermon.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on January 14, 2012, 09:12:00 AM
Basically this year I am setting myself 2 Goals this year - Win Leagues which I am yet to do even after 3 years although have made grand finals and lift overall rating to the top 2%.  Just trying to decide on which Ruck structure will help me achieve goals.
Had a Team constructed with Berger and Sandilands in Ruck but found that by using theses different strategies you can increase prems in other lines. If all prems and risks fire as I see it from Team 2 only need to add additional 6 prems 12 trades maximum. (have an upgrade prem target list eg  Franklin, Pendles)  Leaves me a further 12 trades to use for  injuries removal of non performing etc.
It was the trades issues that started investigations into this strategy.  However all best plans can fall apart as we know. Thank you and Samcro for comments.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: PICCOLLO on January 14, 2012, 09:49:17 AM
I'd think about having a premium ruck and rookies.  Reasoning there would be that one of the three will likely shine like Zac Smith but which one?  By having four rookies, one may go well but 2/4 getting big scores is unlikely.  Then your rucks are churning out 180+ each week.  Consider also avoiding the 8/11/11 by selecting 2 weeks of the three and having a bench etc so you definitely win those and just have a loss in the third game. (as you are going for league and not overall points)
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on January 14, 2012, 05:57:13 PM
I would probably lean to the 2nd one.

But.  I think you are falling into the trap of too many 50/50 picks (like Grima, Hanley, Varcoe, Suban, etc), because you keep changing your team quite a bit.  This suggests to me you don't have confidence in the pick.

Unless you have seen something in the preseason that has caught your eye, don't risk it.  OTherwise go proven premium:rookie.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on January 14, 2012, 09:47:27 PM
Thanks CS - Just put out for comment on the different strategies for Rucks - Also have put a few other unique teams out there radically different to stimulate comment. You will notice that in all teams there is basically a core of 12 prems.
With the abundance of possible rookie rucks this year am tossing up whether I can get a better premium Team with one Prem Ruck and three rookies which is basically what I am contemplating,  Do not see me going down the 4 rookie Ruck Strategy
With the one prem Ruck strategy and in Team 2 think I have 15/16 keepers 
This being the case barring injuries only need upgrades for trades and I have targets in mind. Went Varcoe over Porplyza but will be watching both pre season. So may need maximum of 14 trades for my upgrades leaving 10 trades for LTI's loss of form by prems etc.
Did some analysis and asked will Barlow or Rich score more than second prem Ruck as this is where I created the extra prem.

 I Think Team 2 will be the base strategy I will end up going with.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Colliwobblers on January 14, 2012, 10:02:23 PM
Wow ringo, 2 well constructed and brave teams, counting a lot on your ruck rooks performing and scoring enough not to lose you league games either team. I like team 1 the best greatndepth and if allnyour mid priced players pay off you will be miles ahead of the field if they don't who knows. But for me team 1 and I like it a lot
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on January 14, 2012, 10:22:48 PM
SJ has an interrupted preseason, just so you know.

I would actually go Newman instead of Houli.  But if you see something in Houli maybe worth the risk.

Also you need to take into account, if there are enough back up options in Varcoes price range, if he turns out to be a dudd.

What are your expectations on Rich & Barlow's averages?  The problem with these picks if they don't explode straight from rounds 1-13 you are in big trouble.

For example... let me say you expect barlow to average 110.

If he averages 95 in first 10 weeks, but then explodes in 2nd half, you could potentially lose out, as the POD disappears as the longer the season draws out and teams fullly upgrade.

Diddn't explain that too well, but hope it kindof makes sense.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on January 15, 2012, 08:23:54 AM
Explained well CS
I will be watching both Barlow and Rich pre season.  My thoughts on Rich are that he will benefit from the extra attention now going to be given to Rocky and may enjoy the extra freedom. Risk but may pay off but otherwise upgrade. Rich and Barlow are M5/m6 in my final team rankings. Upgrade Target is Pendles.
With Varcoe I have a couple of options up my sleeve either downgrading to another performing rook if he is not or another Player.  One keeping an eye on is Fasolo who bucks has been talking up.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on January 15, 2012, 12:49:18 PM
Your team probably needs Dylan Shiels, and put Luke Brown at the back.  You can always enable DPP later, because they added that new trading option where you can go

Dylan Shiels > Chris Newman, and swap Newman and Brown's position

My expectations are

D.Rich - 105 SC (including no 1 tag)
M.Barlow - 105 SC (including no 1 tag)

This would not put them under keeper status, so you will probably need to upgrade them at some stage. 
Assuming you use the remaining funds correctly, I think this is enough to break even based on the magic number and cost:performance ratio.  If they average below that in the first half of the season, you could potentially lose ground.

Conversely, if they become keepers (say top 10 mids), the ground could be made up from the slow start, because you save a trade upgrading.

Think Rockliff :D  Beast of a man.  Slow start, then proceeds to average 120 SC for the remaining of the season, which was on par with all the top 5 mids.


Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on January 23, 2012, 02:39:08 PM
Just about to head of overseas so thought I would post my team for comments.  Pretty close to the final prem list barring injuries.  Rookies will be finalised after the NAB Cup.

DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, J. Adcock, B. Lake, T. Mohr, S. Morris (B. Smedts, B. Wilkes)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, A. Swallow, J. Selwood, M. Barlow, S. Clifton, D. Shiel (L. Brown, D. Zorko)
RUC: A. Sandilands, M. Leuenberger (J. Redden, O. Stephenson)
FWD: M. Pavlich, D. Martin, L. Adams, S. Sidebottom, J. Brown, A. Treloar, H. Crozier (M. Panos, T. Couch)
CASH LEFT: $4,900

Upgrade targets I will be looking at depending on form:
Backs: Fisher, Heppell, Broughton, Suckling
Mids: Pendles; Rockliffe; Murphy/Judd/Gibbs; Mundy?
Rucks: No upgrade unless form or injury dictates. Would have liked Mumford over Sandi but a question of dollars.
Forwards: Franklin,Fyfe; Goodes; Johnson; Beams,

Picked a couple of Unique in Adams who I think will have a great year as will Andrew Swallow. Sidebottom still a question mark.

Please feel free to comment further but am reasonably confident with this team. Will worry about bye fixtures as I trade as this is 13/10/7 structure.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Sabretooth Tigers on January 23, 2012, 05:39:31 PM
 ;) ;)

Nice team Ringo and it obviously has the ability to score well untouched, and early, which is pivotal in getting anywhere this season.If you're right about Adams ( hope so ) and Swallow, Lake and Sidey you could end up with 13 to 15 keepers and that would be a monumental start. Don't like Adcock, which probably means he'll win the Brownlow. I could be wrong here
but it appears that this years midfield rookies  have more talent and scoring ability than other positions so how would you look upon 3 prems and 5 rookies there ? Hard to tell without seeing them play and guess it's only speculation at this stage. I don't see Lake as a risk coz you won't take him til he shows something. The 13/10/7  isn't far from what you want and upgrades and trades will address that. Mine is 14/10/6 at the moment but will try and do mine different from most and work it ( if I can ) to take the doughnuts during round 11 when GWS has the bye and nobody has the opportunity to pump them. Like your team and all the best for overseas. Won't presume to rate it I'm too new to the site. Cheers.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: jamesalex on January 24, 2012, 09:15:05 AM
Really liking the new updated team Ringo,

Defence: Solid, but i'm not sold on Adcock. Him and Lake could be a bit risky, but you know a lot about Brisbane so you probably have a good reason for his choice.
Midfield: Flawless, and same structure as my team!
Rucks: Flawless again, I don't know why more people aren't going 2 guns/2 rookies in the ruck, the choice  of rucks are just as good as any other year.
Forwards: Very unique, and great choice in Adams. The POD in your team.

Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on January 25, 2012, 08:45:33 PM
I find it interesting, that most of your intended def upgrade targets are actually under priced (assuming you consider them top 10 material).

Structure wise your mid field looks mostly nailed, but the backs/forwards will probably be dependent on how the rookies perform in the NAB and who is named for round 1.

Any reason you have avoided Giles?
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on January 25, 2012, 09:22:01 PM
Basically a difference of $13k between Redden and Giles and with Reddan now likely to get games as well seen a little more value there.  May change following NAB Cup and who is named. Bench will be between Reddan, Rowe, Giles and Stephenson.

With Defence nothing really stands out for me after the top 3 and this was the case last year so will be observing from beginning as to who to target as upgrade. But then Adcock and Lake could show form and become keepers if both get back to best form.

Basically I will be staying with prems named and selecting rookies based on NAB Cup and who is named.

Thanks for comments CS.

 
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: BillyBeane on January 25, 2012, 11:30:47 PM
Treloar and Crozier risky - I think you can do better there. I don't expect Treloar to play much this year.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: BillyBeane on January 25, 2012, 11:34:31 PM
Not sure about Pav. I also have some concerns with J. Brown also. Love him - he's a South Warrnambool boy but my sources suggest he has some chronic injury problems that may mean he's approaching the end. Having said that if you were going to take a punt on anyone it would be Browny - he has a huge heart. Beware the wounded warrior!
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on January 26, 2012, 04:22:58 AM
Thanks Billy - Brownie is actually training the house down and looks very mean and fit.  His first full pre season in 10 years.  Been to a couple of Lions training sessions too.  As a said rookies will be finalised just prior to round 1 some threr just to complete team.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: BillyBeane on January 26, 2012, 09:34:30 AM
I am pleased to hear that. Always good to get an eye witness account. He's definitely worth considering as a player to bring in with a mind to an upgrade later - I can see him missing games at some stage but if he's fit early - get on.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: nas on January 26, 2012, 09:40:25 AM
I am pleased to hear that. Always good to get an eye witness account. He's definitely worth considering as a player to bring in with a mind to an upgrade later - I can see him missing games at some stage but if he's fit early - get on.

Yep have to agree or even have him from the start & then upgrade him.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: BillyBeane on January 26, 2012, 10:14:54 AM
How you like me now? Rowe may be a concern but it's only an AC joint injury - not life threatening and the blues rate him. As for Suckling - any kid that goes from averaging 50's to 90's in a year has improvement in him. Browny's still a little expensive for my tastes and is a notoriously slow starter.

Brendon Goddard, Greg Broughton, Matt Suckling, Matthew Buntine, Paul Bower, Tim Mohr, Nathan Blee
Beau Wilkes, Brian Lake

Gary Ablett jnr, Marc Murphy, Tom Rockliff, Joel Selwood, Michael Barlow, Darren Pfeiffer
Dayne Zorko, Tom Couch

Matthew Kreuzer, Nic Naitanui
Jarrad Redden, Orren Stephenson

Nathan Fyfe, Dustin Martin, Patrick Dangerfield, John Butcher, Allen Christensen, Sam Rowe, Billie Smedts
Steele Sidebottom, Tory Dickson

Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: BillyBeane on January 26, 2012, 10:25:07 AM
yeah naste - a semantics problem there - I meant have him from the start with an aim to upgrade him later. I wouldn't be seeking to bring him in mid season unless his price dropped.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Sabretooth Tigers on January 26, 2012, 02:55:26 PM
G'day Ringo,
nice prems and mids, of course rookies at this stage just names and profiles. Not being a Shaw man but a Broughton fan won't go there. Seems everybody has gone Luey mad in the ruck, not exactly sure why must be something I've missed. My only worry with this team is the $$s spent on your rookies. Is there enough cash availlable if you require better rookies. Are they strong enough this year to play 3/5 in the midfield ? Sure we're all sweating on the NAB Cup for answers to many questions. Still, a classy team, which is what we've all come to expect from you. Seems we both want to get rid of " Bridesmaids " mantle this year, got beaten by 41 last year by my nephew who finished in the top 250s. No more Mr Niceguy. Cheers and goodluck.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: alexross on January 27, 2012, 01:04:29 PM
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, J. Adcock, B. Lake, T. Mohr, S. Morris (B. Smedts, B. Wilkes)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, A. Swallow, J. Selwood, M. Barlow, S. Clifton, D. Shiel (L. Brown, D. Zorko)
RUC: A. Sandilands, M. Leuenberger (J. Redden, O. Stephenson)
FWD: M. Pavlich, D. Martin, L. Adams, S. Sidebottom, J. Brown, A. Treloar, H. Crozier (M. Panos, T. Couch)
CASH LEFT: $4,900

Relly solid team hear Ringo! well structured and if Lake and Brown have a good season or at least start of the season it will set you up well.

Not too sure on Adams. I dont really see too much upside this year for him IMO.
I know it is a gamble but i would watch to see how Dangerfield is used in the NAB cup. i think he has more improvement in him and is also 52k cheaper. That is only my opinion tho.

Good luck
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on February 13, 2012, 02:57:11 AM
Here is the Team I look like settling on till finalising rookies after NAB Cup.

Criticisms and suggestions appreciated.

DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, R. Murphy, B. Lake, T. Mohr, S. Morris (B. Smedts, B. Wilkes)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, A. Swallow, J. Selwood, M. Barlow, S. Clifton, D. Shiel (L. Brown, D. Zorko)
RUC: Z. Smith, M. Leuenberger (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: M. Pavlich, L. Franklin, A. Goodes, S. Sidebottom, J. Brown, A. Treloar, H. Crozier (S. Rowe, T. Couch)
CASH LEFT: $8,100

Just a couple of comments
Gone with Zac Smith as second ruck as a POD mainly due to the fact that he has bulked up a lot and this should help with his endurance.  Had a great start last year before fading. If he starts well again and then fades perefct for upgrading before price falls.
Starting with Goodes due to Swans favourable draw.
Also think Swallow will lift as a result of Captaincy.
Swan/Pendleberry are mid upgrade targets
Will have 12 definite keepers and maybe 15 if risks pay off thus making the Round 12 byes my only donut at this stage.

Please feel free to comment openly.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Colliwobblers on February 13, 2012, 10:15:51 AM
i don't know how you only get one donut? if i go in 8-11-11 i get 2 in round 13 if i go in 8-12-10 which i have, i get one in 12 and 1 in 13. But anyway your team (like you need and advice :) )

defence is great, hearing a lot of good things about murphy..
mids great, i still have barlow good to see you do too i think he can get back to his 2010 scoring swallow = GUN
rcks are solid, might lost 10-20 points max with smith over another premium (more likely 10) so good pick
solid fwds 3 best for the year i reckon and the biggest breakout fwd, and the cheapest premium fwd.

Great team Ringo, but I reckon you already knew that :)
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: reesbr on February 13, 2012, 11:45:11 AM
Love the pick of Rob Murphy. trying to squeeze him into my team
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on February 15, 2012, 10:01:40 PM
Have studied this team with byes in mind as well. At this stage looks like I will cop a donut in Rounds 12 and 13 still playing around with DPP to see if I can cut it to 1.
Strategy will be 4/6 trades required prior to Round 11 bye to bring Team to 8/11/11 structure (Allowing for downgrades and upgrades if needed) 6 Trades for Rounds 12 and 13.  Should leave me then 12 trades for LTi's and other upgrades out of which I will be aiming for a minimum of 6 for finals.
As we know all best plans can fall apart.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: PICCOLLO on February 16, 2012, 08:32:05 PM
Have studied this team with byes in mind as well. At this stage looks like I will cop a donut in Rounds 12 and 13 still playing around with DPP to see if I can cut it to 1.
Strategy will be 4/6 trades required prior to Round 11 bye to bring Team to 8/11/11 structure (Allowing for downgrades and upgrades if needed) 6 Trades for Rounds 12 and 13.  Should leave me then 12 trades for LTi's and other upgrades out of which I will be aiming for a minimum of 6 for finals.
As we know all best plans can fall apart.


Sorry ringo, you can't cut it to one without ruck dpp.  Ill save you the time by saying it is impossile.  At best you'll have two.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on February 16, 2012, 08:42:43 PM
Thanks Pic exhausted all options and scenarios today and agree that I will have to cop 2 donuts. Even with Ruck DPP the only real option is Lycett from West Coast and the chances of him getting games is nil so have to bite the bullet and accept donuts in round 12 and 13.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: upthemaidens on February 16, 2012, 08:43:29 PM
ringo,  would suggest u re-think having a mid-price starting ruck, i think it will cost u points overall.
  also u may want to change one of the bye12 premium forwards to a bye13 one
good luck with the year
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: PICCOLLO on February 16, 2012, 08:52:00 PM
Thanks Pic exhausted all options and scenarios today and agree that I will have to cop 2 donuts. Even with Ruck DPP the only real option is Lycett from West Coast and the chances of him getting games is nil so have to bite the bullet and accept donuts in round 12 and 13.

Dont sweat it.  Everyone has 2 zeroes min.
Id focus on ensuring your bye trades arent just to cover zeroes but actually improve your team.  Incidently consider ensuring your zeroes arent mid zeroes.  Im going for 2 fwd zeroes in same bye. 
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Colliwobblers on February 16, 2012, 08:53:56 PM
+1 piccolo i'd say make sure not premium donuts, a non scoring rook can't sting as much as an elite donut.  :D
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on February 16, 2012, 09:05:14 PM
ringo,  would suggest u re-think having a mid-price starting ruck, i think it will cost u points overall.
  also u may want to change one of the bye12 premium forwards to a bye13 one
good luck with the year
Thanks worked that out during my scenarios today just trying to decide which way to go - Goodes to Rioli or Pav to Rioli

And Pic I have an ideal team that i want for finals so trades will be made with this end in mind, Team at the moment is 12 definite keepers plus possibly Lake, Brown and Barlow. Zac Smith may be a keeper if he finds form but if not will be upgraded to best ruck when time arrives.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Colliwobblers on February 16, 2012, 09:56:09 PM
tough pick in goodes or pav, i'd go pav i think goodes against history will start well, pav might need some time to settle into his new role, which will be very much fwd the dockers need him fwd all the time, tricky thing is thats where he scores best so how to decide goodes or pav??? i'd use a coin  :)
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: SonsOfZeus on February 16, 2012, 10:30:11 PM
can someone please explain how you can get doughnuts.

from last count i have a 9,10,11

with the 3 trades you have and selection of the correct rookies i think you can get close to all players scoring albeit not heavily.
its where the overall will be won and lost and will consider it closer to season as it is a headpin.

regarding your team, obviously see how lake goes, if he goes well will think he will be a popular player. dont think r murph will be in the top defenders TBH.

Dont think Barlow will be in the top mids either but swallow is an excellent pick.

Z smith is a good unique pick but rucks are paramount and honestly think the big guns are needed

fwds- sidebottom,pav and goodes share bye so i would ditch sidebottom and look at someone from  martin,NRoo,dangerfield maybe. rookies ar subject to change but rowe,crozier and couch will struggle for game time

are you going for league or overall.
sorry if i gave to much criticism
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Colliwobblers on February 16, 2012, 10:43:08 PM
SonsOfZues, bye trading explained a little.

http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,48038.msg645399.html#msg645399 (http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,48038.msg645399.html#msg645399)
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on February 17, 2012, 10:10:26 AM
Thanks Sons of Zeus - I have a goal this year of breaking into top 1000 3rd year of SC 56186 first year; 12189 last year mainly due to discovering this site half way through the season.  So to answer highest possible score.
All your comments were welcome. I consider Sidebottom and Smith capable of big years this year and hence my selection as possible POD from mainstream sides along with Bob Murphy

Collie has given you his link to explain byes but pure maths dictates 2 donuts due to Rucks.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on February 17, 2012, 11:23:43 AM
tough pick in goodes or pav, i'd go pav i think goodes against history will start well, pav might need some time to settle into his new role, which will be very much fwd the dockers need him fwd all the time, tricky thing is thats where he scores best so how to decide goodes or pav??? i'd use a coin  :)
Went Pav to Rioli hope i pulled the right rein. Will watch in NAB cup. Pav will then be an upgrade target after byes.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Hippo on February 17, 2012, 07:05:17 PM
Cudos to you ringo for all the teams you have time to rate but just curious what do you rate your own team? Not be a smart ass just curious?
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on February 17, 2012, 07:36:31 PM
Currently I rate this team 8/10 Just trying to sort out which of Martin, Rioli or Harvey to put in as prem forward to ensure I get no prem donuts.  Working on the strategy that as we have to take 2 donuts they are better to be rookies rather than prems.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Hippo on February 17, 2012, 07:47:29 PM
Mate I am the same except without harvey.

Another for me is shaw/zara or fyfe/ grimes

I guess no team can be full marks until maybe after nabs exposed form
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: PICCOLLO on February 17, 2012, 07:50:55 PM
All your premiums will have a rest Ringo.  Not sure what premium donuts are?  Avoiding mid donuts is the key.  If you have lots of prems out in the one week it doesn't matter too much as long as you have rookies covering - its just means the difference between your good bye weeks and bad weeks will vary by slightly more. 
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on February 17, 2012, 09:33:20 PM
Probably should have been a little bit clearer Pic - What I meant is i do not want the situation where I have 3 prems on the same line having the bye in the same week so that is what i meant by prem donut. (Do not know whether it is an official term).  Trying to have rookie donuts rather than prem donuts.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Colliwobblers on February 17, 2012, 09:39:14 PM
i am going to claim the term premium donut :) exactly as Ringo explained :) i'm having 2 mid priced donuts, would prefer rookie donuts tho. I want conca and christensen in lines where i also want 2 premiums on the same byes.

looks like conca going to be suspended for the first 2-4 weeks tho so i might have lake or armstrong instead sigh, was so sold on conca. not enough to have him on the bench for 2-4 weeks, hopefully it is 4 weeks and i can get him on the bubble after his 2nd game.

any disasters for your teams players yet Ringo?
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Madmax75 on February 18, 2012, 01:51:24 PM
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, R. Murphy, B. Lake, T. Mohr, S. Morris (B. Smedts, B. Wilkes)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, A. Swallow, J. Selwood, M. Barlow, S. Clifton, D. Shiel (L. Brown, D. Zorko)
RUC: Z. Smith, M. Leuenberger (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: M. Pavlich, L. Franklin, A. Goodes, S. Sidebottom, J. Brown, A. Treloar, H. Crozier (S. Rowe, T. Couch)
CASH LEFT: $8,100

Very good team:
Def: Murphy I wouldnt pick personally as he seems to be on a scoring dip in his career. Lake has been discussed a lot on here and we will have to wait and see ob a bargain if fit. I do understand the dogs picks re byes. Is Smedts going to be a lock down defender cant be good for his scoring if he is.
Mid: Very solid but no Swan or Pendles I guess for the byes you are choosing Selwood instead.
Ruc: Different indeed with Z Smith not sure hes ready yet to give you a premium ruck ave otherwise great.
For: Very solid sidebum will be competing with a very deep midfield at Pies BUT we have to develop a deeper midfield to have a chance to win it all again so you would think he would get the time there surely?
Overall cant really falut it with the exception of above mentioned points. 8.5/10
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: JamSainter on February 19, 2012, 08:57:00 AM
The aforementioned comments are right imo.
It is a solid team, but no real standout line. Which is probably a blessing as you have spent your money equally.
Your first 3 picks in each line are great and cannot fault.
Just monitor Lake, Barlow and Brown - but apart from that, nice team mate 9/10
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: SonsOfZeus on February 19, 2012, 01:02:34 PM
thanks for the bye info

are you planning on the byes bcause honestly is to much of a headache for me atm

i have 1 prem from each and will hopefully have 2 from each come bye team
have 1 prem from diffirent bye week in ruck
in fwds have 1 in week 1 2 in week 2 and 2 in week 3
in def have 0 from week 1 1 from 2 and 3 from week 3

its all to much might just try to get as many scoring players as possible and go from there.


i plan on going all out attacking trades wise prob use 15-20 up until the end of the byes to have team set straight away.

what about yourself.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on February 19, 2012, 05:01:21 PM
To let you know my strategy - I have a final team in mind and any trades I make will be made to achieve that team.
My trading structure is looking at 5/6 trades to Round 10 and hopefully have team set for no trades Round 11 and then 3 each trades for Round 12 & 13. 4/6 trades to Round 20 with a minimum of 6 trades for finals.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on February 29, 2012, 09:28:20 PM
With Brown missing for 2 weeks took the opportunity to re structure my team.

Comments Welcome as I have structured  a 3/3 mid this time.  Not totally convinced but do not mind this structure.  Byes Taken into Consideration with Prems.  Rookies will not be finalised until after NAB Cup as I need three top rookies in mids. Have also the DPP to move if not working out.

DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, R. Murphy, D. Heppell, B. Ellis, S. Darley (S. Morris, B. Smedts)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, M. Boyd, J. Selwood, J. Caddy, S. Clifton, D. Shiel (D. Zorko, J. Magner)
RUC: Z. Smith, M. Leuenberger (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes, B. Harvey, S. Sidebottom, P. Dangerfield, D. Pfeiffer, T. Walsh (H. Crozier, A. Hall)

Comments welcome.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: tor01doc on February 29, 2012, 09:36:07 PM
Is Z Smith a keeper?

Caddy worth the extra coin? I figure he'll have to average about 16.7 points more per game than a rookie priced player.

No def/mid DPP? May come in handy when Goddard and Lids are out. If you keep Caddy then having that DPP won't help b/c of Ablett but if you trade Caddy out or don't get him you may save a donut there in round 13.

Minimum 6 trades for finals - I love that.  ;)
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Colliwobblers on February 29, 2012, 09:42:32 PM
With Brown missing for 2 weeks took the opportunity to re structure my team.

Comments Welcome as I have structured  a 3/3 mid this time.  Not totally convinced but do not mind this structure.  Byes Taken into Consideration with Prems.  Rookies will not be finalised until after NAB Cup as I need three top rookies in mids. Have also the DPP to move if not working out.

DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, R. Murphy, D. Heppell, B. Ellis, S. Darley (S. Morris, B. Smedts)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, M. Boyd, J. Selwood, J. Caddy, S. Clifton, D. Shiel (D. Zorko, J. Magner)
RUC: Z. Smith, M. Leuenberger (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes, B. Harvey, S. Sidebottom, P. Dangerfield, D. Pfeiffer, T. Walsh (H. Crozier, A. Hall)

Comments welcome.

i like danger better for SC than brown by a fair way, lets hope he FINALLY reaches his potential....
your defence is super strong, great money will be made in your midfield and i rate caddy to score well along the way, fwds like your def super strong. Rucks i like except smith looked well undercooked in the nab cup, cant read too much into it but watch him, it is VERY unusual for ANY ruck to be good for 4-5 years..... I did like west however and he seems a lock for #1 at the cattery...

solid side fwds and def being stronger than most will easily make up for decreased scoring capacity in the midfield and caddy is a SC BARGAIN cheaper than DT.... must have imo. He is my 5th but my fwd and def look nowhere near as good as yours :)
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: felsty on February 29, 2012, 09:47:48 PM
what are the plans for the rucks ringo? i got hmac and leuey and thinking i might have to trade hmac out before byes
loving the side but tor is right about caddy.. there are other young players who will be just as good for a lower price tag..
not too sure about murphy and danger either but im thinking they are to combat byes?
all in all a solid side
9/10 not much left but to wait! the hardest part :S
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on February 29, 2012, 10:12:59 PM
With Smith hoping like last year he performs from the start and then upgrade him to best ruck when he peaks. may be a keeper if he maintains a high average. So many Ruck options out there this year with Mummy, Cox, Sandi, Goldi and i rate Jacobs as well.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: McBayne on March 01, 2012, 12:49:34 AM
I was so sold on J Brown, it's a damn shame that he's going to be out now. Who knows how well he will come back from facial injury #3 ...

As for your new team:

- DEF: I seem to go for Murphy every year, and I seem to regret the selection after about round 5 or 6. He seems like a player with the goods but yo-yo's a bit too much for my liking. I can really only see Heppell getting better with experience, so I think he's a must have this year. I'm a bit iffy on having both Ellis and Morris in the same team, one or the other for me (my preference is Morris).

- MID: Caddy seems like an interesting pick, Essendon did go pretty hard on him during trade week and with only a year to run on his contract he may look to impress other clubs if he's still keen on a move back to Victoria.

- RUCK: Solid ruck, Smith should improve this year pushing him into the premium category.

- FWD: Careful with Walsh, reports are that he may be in and out of the Swans side, and Dangerfield will scare plenty of people off with his poor previous years, but with Craigy gone he will (finally) get some decent midfield time.

Quality side which should go the distance.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Adz23 on March 01, 2012, 11:03:08 PM
With Brown missing for 2 weeks took the opportunity to re structure my team.

Comments Welcome as I have structured  a 3/3 mid this time.  Not totally convinced but do not mind this structure.  Byes Taken into Consideration with Prems.  Rookies will not be finalised until after NAB Cup as I need three top rookies in mids. Have also the DPP to move if not working out.

DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, R. Murphy, D. Heppell, B. Ellis, S. Darley (S. Morris, B. Smedts)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, M. Boyd, J. Selwood, J. Caddy, S. Clifton, D. Shiel (D. Zorko, J. Magner)
RUC: Z. Smith, M. Leuenberger (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes, B. Harvey, S. Sidebottom, P. Dangerfield, D. Pfeiffer, T. Walsh (H. Crozier, A. Hall)

Comments welcome.


Backs: no issues asside maybe consider a (def/mid) for future use

Mids: Fantastic!

Rucks: no complaints - im assuming smith will be an upgrade at some point?

Forwards: probably the weakest of all four lines maybe room for improvement on the rookies, not to sure about crozier and walsh, pfeiffer is a 50 50 for scoring decently but plently of time before the season yet

Rating: 9/10
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on March 02, 2012, 08:44:35 AM
Comments on this not fussed either way

Dangerfield to N Roo leaving very minimal cash ($200) or Keep Danger and $38k.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: upthemaidens on March 02, 2012, 01:10:11 PM
Comments on this not fussed either way

Dangerfield to N Roo leaving very minimal cash ($200) or Keep Danger and $38k.
Roo is a better option,,,    would suggest u dont go Z smith, you'll regret it.  go either prem or rookie instead
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on March 06, 2012, 10:14:38 PM
After much debating and uncertainty with Ruck Selections this year I have put together this team based on a Prem 3 rook strategy, Comments on which team you consider better.
Team 1 Prem Ruck and 3 Rookies
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, R. Murphy, G Broughton,  J. Allen, S. Darley (S. Morris, B. Smedts)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, M. Boyd, J. Selwood, J. Caddy, D. Smith, D. Shiel (D. Zorko, J. Magner)
RUC: D Cox, J Reddan (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes, B. Harvey, N Fyfe, N Riewoldt, D. Pfeiffer, T. Walsh (H. Crozier, A. Hall)
Cash remaining $14,700

Team 2 Prem, Mid and 2 rook ruck strategy
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, R. Murphy, D. Heppell, B. Ellis, S. Darley (S. Morris, B. Smedts)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, M. Boyd, J. Selwood, J. Caddy, S. Clifton, D. Shiel (D. Zorko, J. Magner)
RUC: Z. Smith, M. Leuenberger (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes, B. Harvey, S. Sidebottom, P. Dangerfield, D. Pfeiffer, T. Walsh (H. Crozier, A. Hall)

Rookies to be finalized after NAB cup others being watched Neale, Mitchell, Gibson, Hogan
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Colliwobblers on March 06, 2012, 10:17:40 PM
After much debating and uncertainty with Ruck Selections this year I have put together this team based on a Prem 3 rook strategy, Comments on which team you consider better.
Team 1 Prem Ruck and 3 Rookies
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, R. Murphy, G Broughton,  B. Ellis, S. Darley (S. Morris, B. Smedts)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, M. Boyd, J. Selwood, J. Caddy, S. Clifton, D. Shiel (D. Zorko, J. Magner)
RUC: Z. Smith, M. Leuenberger (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes, B. Harvey, S. Sidebottom, P. Dangerfield, D. Pfeiffer, T. Walsh (H. Crozier, A. Hall)


Team 2 Prem, Mid and 2 rook ruck strategy
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, R. Murphy, D. Heppell, B. Ellis, S. Darley (S. Morris, B. Smedts)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, M. Boyd, J. Selwood, J. Caddy, S. Clifton, D. Shiel (D. Zorko, J. Magner)
RUC: Z. Smith, M. Leuenberger (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes, B. Harvey, S. Sidebottom, P. Dangerfield, D. Pfeiffer, T. Walsh (H. Crozier, A. Hall)

Post it again mate same teams up there :)
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: felsty on March 06, 2012, 10:19:42 PM
only difference is heppell and broughton?
i vote heppell!
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Colliwobblers on March 06, 2012, 10:21:38 PM
only difference is heppell and broughton?
i vote heppell!

Sorry my bad i didnt notice that difference was looking for the ruck difference.

Guess i vote heppell too he is more liekly to play in the middle than broughton but then again maybe broughton will too
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on March 06, 2012, 10:24:08 PM
After much debating and uncertainty with Ruck Selections this year I have put together this team based on a Prem 3 rook strategy, Comments on which team you consider better.
Team 1 Prem Ruck and 3 Rookies
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, R. Murphy, G Broughton,  J. Allen, S. Darley (S. Morris, B. Smedts)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, M. Boyd, J. Selwood, J. Caddy, D. Smith, D. Shiel (D. Zorko, J. Magner)
RUC: D Cox, J Reddan (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes, B. Harvey, N Fyfe, N Riewoldt, D. Pfeiffer, T. Walsh (H. Crozier, A. Hall)
Cash remaining $14,700

Team 2 Prem, Mid and 2 rook ruck strategy
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, R. Murphy, D. Heppell, B. Ellis, S. Darley (S. Morris, B. Smedts)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, M. Boyd, J. Selwood, J. Caddy, S. Clifton, D. Shiel (D. Zorko, J. Magner)
RUC: Z. Smith, M. Leuenberger (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes, B. Harvey, S. Sidebottom, P. Dangerfield, D. Pfeiffer, T. Walsh (H. Crozier, A. Hall)

Rookies to be finalized after NAB cup others being watched Neale, Mitchell, Gibson, Hogan
Sorry guys my fat fingers entered before I adjusted team so you can see the changes now.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Colliwobblers on March 06, 2012, 10:34:27 PM
Team 1. Bringing in COX over smith or burger is an upgrade in points, but I feel with luck he could drop so my plan for a rookie #2 ruck would be to upgrade to COX and start another cheaper keeper, BUT you may be better off with COX from the start becasue it may be cheaper and easier to then upgrade the #2 ruck (rook) to a cheaper premium other than Cox.

Team 2 is better I think, safer and if sidebottom and dangerfield lift it is definately going to be better.

Not sure broughton will be much if any better than heppell, so if team 1 broughton became heppell, could that bring fyfe into t2 also?

Maybe danger or sidebottom for NRoo? would improve team 1 also

That again would make me favour team 2 even more...
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Jay on March 06, 2012, 11:26:19 PM
After much debating and uncertainty with Ruck Selections this year I have put together this team based on a Prem 3 rook strategy, Comments on which team you consider better.
Team 1 Prem Ruck and 3 Rookies
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, R. Murphy, G Broughton,  J. Allen, S. Darley (S. Morris, B. Smedts)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, M. Boyd, J. Selwood, J. Caddy, D. Smith, D. Shiel (D. Zorko, J. Magner)
RUC: D Cox, J Reddan (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes, B. Harvey, N Fyfe, N Riewoldt, D. Pfeiffer, T. Walsh (H. Crozier, A. Hall)
Cash remaining $14,700

Team 2 Prem, Mid and 2 rook ruck strategy
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, R. Murphy, D. Heppell, B. Ellis, S. Darley (S. Morris, B. Smedts)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, M. Boyd, J. Selwood, J. Caddy, S. Clifton, D. Shiel (D. Zorko, J. Magner)
RUC: Z. Smith, M. Leuenberger (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes, B. Harvey, S. Sidebottom, P. Dangerfield, D. Pfeiffer, T. Walsh (H. Crozier, A. Hall)

Rookies to be finalized after NAB cup others being watched Neale, Mitchell, Gibson, Hogan
Team 1:
Backs: I think there are better rookoe options than allen but im sure your rookies arent set until after nab so no big deal...i dont mind murphy as a POD i think duffield might be a better option if your lookin unique but that could mess up your structure...so if your happy with murphy and you've got the structure set, by all means leave him there!

Mids: premium choices are faultless...same with rookies although zorko is injured so monitor carefully

Ruc: well even though im not a fan of the 3-rookie ruck strategy, i must say you have the best one ive seen...the best premium ruckman in Cox, then the 3 best rookies...startong redden is a good move imo

Fwd: havent seen boomer in many teams...for good reasons i think, he is just too old to improve and imo is a bit inconsistent for my liking...but he will average 95+ and will be unique so not too bad i guess! I like nroo in there! Not too sure on crozier and hall...hall pulled out of the gcs nab game which is a worry and crozier isnt exactly lighting it up!

Overall: a very solid team, a few very minor changes could be made, but as far as a 3 rookie ruck team goes, this is one of the best



Team 2:
Backs: probly just prefer your first teams backs...broughton > heppel sold it for me

Mid: will score almost exactly the same amount of points as team A's midfield

Ruc: i like. I would take h-mac or even kreuzer over smith but a good pick none the less. Leuy is a gun plain and simple! Obviously beats Team A's rucks BUT not by too much

Fwd: Quite a bit better than Team A's fwds, largely because danger is in there over a rookie...the loss of fyfe hurts tho


Overall: again very good...cant suggest any real changes!




So which team do I prefer: well it is very close! I think the Team A backs gets you an edge of about 5 points! As the only real difference is greg and dyson! Mids are dead-even! Team B rucks gets you say 15 points over Team A's and obviously the team b forwards are better!


So i think it makes sense to go with team b! Hope i helped :)
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: BigBob on March 06, 2012, 11:42:31 PM
Thoughts:
read that coach Scott reckons Smedts has a "very long way to go" to be a regular
Darley in hospital tonight. Dehydration?
I like Smith in Ruck. Gotta have somethin' different
Bit concerned about Hall's injury.
I dont believe in Dangermouse's hype. He's like Zaharakis, always promising.
Stephenson looking less promising than earlier
with your mids you should end the year stronger than you start
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Post by: Ringo on March 11, 2012, 03:41:58 PM
Thoughts on this revision: Not impressed by Rucks so have gone Prem and 3 rookie structure.  Allowed a pretty strong def and forward structure.
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, G Birchall, J Adcock, B. Ellis, S. Darley (S. Morris, T Bugg)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, T. Rockliff, J. Selwood, D. Smith,  S. Clifton, A. Miles(E Kavanagh, T Mitchell)
RUC: D. Cox, J Reddan (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes, N Fyfe, D. Martin, P. Dangerfield, J, Porplyzia, D. Pfeiffer,  (G. Weedon, S Kerridgel)
Realise I have a prem donut in Round 13 but this will be my compulsory.  Feel this backline will score more over the year even with bye.

Comments welcome.


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Post by: johnnytheboy1 on March 11, 2012, 03:57:39 PM
Backs Have great depth with Adcock at B5 who scored 126SC esterday against the Blues.
Mids: Very strong here as well with a good selection of Rookies cClifton look good against the GC.
Rucks: Redden could be the bargain pick this year scored 117 SC pts yesterday
Fwds: Ver impressive forward line can't find a weakness here. Porps will be a risk but should be fine.

Overall.This is a super team picked by an expert coach i give this team an 9/10
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Post by: JamSainter on March 11, 2012, 04:16:42 PM
Your teams looks exactly like mine.... Except I have 2 prem rucks and 1 less prem defender.
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Post by: felsty on March 11, 2012, 04:34:17 PM
Backs Have great depth with Adcock at B5 who scored 126SC esterday against the Blues.
Mids: Very strong here as well with a good selection of Rookies cClifton look good against the GC.
Rucks: Redden could be the bargain pick this year scored 117 SC pts yesterday
Fwds: Ver impressive forward line can't find a weakness here. Porps will be a risk but should be fine.

Overall.This is a super team picked by an expert coach i give this team an 9/10

where did you get that info johnny?!?
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Post by: johnnytheboy1 on March 11, 2012, 04:38:17 PM


Supercoach gold gives Ringo's team a 1609 Projected score. I think you will score a lot more than that.
As to where I got the supercoach scores see the below link.

http://twitter.com/#!/FantasyFreako
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Colliwobblers on March 11, 2012, 07:28:54 PM
Thoughts on this revision: Not impressed by Rucks so have gone Prem and 3 rookie structure.  Allowed a pretty strong def and forward structure.
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, G Birchall, J Adcock, B. Ellis, S. Darley (S. Morris, T Bugg)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, T. Rockliff, J. Selwood, D. Smith,  S. Clifton, A. Miles(E Kavanagh, T Mitchell)
RUC: D. Cox, J Reddan (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes, N Fyfe, D. Martin, P. Dangerfield, J, Porplyzia, D. Pfeiffer,  (G. Weedon, S Kerridgel)
Realise I have a prem donut in Round 13 but this will be my compulsory.  Feel this backline will score more over the year even with bye.

Comments welcome.

no need for comments Ringo, you have nailed it, no risk and the same as my ruck with one nab game to go i think that ruck is a lock unless something significantly changes.
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Post by: Adz23 on March 11, 2012, 08:01:21 PM
Quote
Thoughts on this revision: Not impressed by Rucks so have gone Prem and 3 rookie structure.  Allowed a pretty strong def and forward structure.
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, G Birchall, J Adcock, B. Ellis, S. Darley (S. Morris, T Bugg)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, T. Rockliff, J. Selwood, D. Smith,  S. Clifton, A. Miles(E Kavanagh, T Mitchell)
RUC: D. Cox, J Reddan (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes, N Fyfe, D. Martin, P. Dangerfield, J, Porplyzia, D. Pfeiffer,  (G. Weedon, S Kerridgel)
Realise I have a prem donut in Round 13 but this will be my compulsory.  Feel this backline will score more over the year even with bye.

Comments welcome.

Backs: Great - nice selection of premiums and rookies, cant fault the rookies so far

Mids: pretty good, you have a few unique selections in there :)

Rucks: no faults at all - however the 1-3 ruck strategy is a risk at your own choice

Forwards: no complaints here looking alright (Y) maybe the consistency of dangerfield, porpz and pfeiffer might come into question but upgrades will fix this during the season

9/10
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Post by: Legen...DARY on March 11, 2012, 09:23:43 PM
Hey Ringo. Great looking team I really like it. Looks very similar to mine now after NAB 3 games.

Still not sold on Danger & Porps, even with their easy draw. However this is probably due to being previously burnt. Good for you for taking the risk! If it were me I'd downgrade Porp & upgrade Danger, perhaps to Boomer to keep your bye stucture?

9.5/10
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Post by: salce on March 13, 2012, 10:28:23 AM
thanks for rating my team mate.

DEF: Loving this, similar to mine. Like the pick of birchall, should do wonders for you

MID: Unique pick with rockliff, should pay off for you.

RUCKS: Personally I'm not a fan of the 1 premium, 3 rookies. If reddan, giles and stephenson score consistently high then you'll be fine but maybe bring in another premium.

FWDS: Perfect

Overall - 9/10
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Post by: sammy_boy on March 13, 2012, 12:57:21 PM
nice team ringo. rate my latest team =)
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Post by: Jay on March 13, 2012, 04:32:39 PM
nice team ringo. rate my latest team =)
your getting a 'boo' for that mate...
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Post by: Ringo on March 21, 2012, 10:09:36 PM
Possible final team for Round 1.

DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, G Broughton, J Adcock, B. Ellis, S. Darley  (J.Allen, T Bugg)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, T. Rockliff, J. Selwood, C. Smith,  S. Clifton, J. McDonald (H. Cunningham, J Magner)
RUC: D. Cox, J Reddan (J. Giles, B. Longer)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes, N Fyfe, D. Martin, P. Dangerfield, J, Porplyzia, D Smith (T Dickson A Hall)
Cash $12, 500
See 12 Definite prems rising to 14 if Adcock and Danger fire.
Placed Longer in Ruck as i think he will be used in Brisbanes forward line initially based on last 2 NAB cup games and may be an early cash cow with downgrade potential.  Have not been impressed by Stephenson to date in NAB Cup which left me toss up between Longer and Rowe. Have not decided on Starting 2nd ruck but leaning towards Reddan.

Rookies will change if none named.
Broughton in team in preference to Birchall at this stage due to Round 13 byes.

Comments Welcome.
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Post by: Zabs on March 21, 2012, 11:19:44 PM
Nice team ringo very  well balanced team, 9/10
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Post by: charliesheen on March 21, 2012, 11:29:24 PM
I would still take Orren over Longer based on ROI.

Kreuzer in his first year averaged 60 SC.  Longer comes with a premium tag, and I don't think the extra $$ is worth it.

If D.Shiels is named round 1, I would fit him in your midfield over Cunningham.

Personally, not sure this is the year to go 3 prem mids.
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Post by: Jay on March 22, 2012, 08:31:16 AM
like the backs, with the 5 premiums :) not sure on allen as a rookie tho? Better options i think

Mids are very good. Probly lacking that extra super-premium instead of rockliff/selwood

Solid. Longer is a good pick BUT DEFINETELY DONT CONSIDER ROWE!

Forwards is perfect
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Post by: Ringo on March 22, 2012, 08:42:30 AM
Thanks CS and Jay

Any comments on Josh Jenkins from Adelaide as a possible Ruck option in preference to Stephenson.  Only played the one
NAB Cup game and looked OK. Will he get games with Crows.
Think Selwood is greatly underpriced and will be a super prem in top 5 mids  and Rocky was still one of Brisbanes best performers in the NAB Cup.
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Post by: tor01doc on March 22, 2012, 11:42:08 AM
13 premiums plus Danger for me. Nice balance.

Backs look really well balanced. If Morris plays I'd get him ahead of Allen.

Must have Selwood at his price.
McDonald not for me. Thought about Ledger?

R4 - whatever man!

F: love this line. Did you copy mine?

9.5/10 - McDonald and Allen worry me.

Bets of luck with trade decisions and timing.
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Post by: Ringo on March 22, 2012, 07:55:50 PM
Thanks tor Looking at Shiel, Ledger, Pfeiffer, Hampton as possible inclusions depending on teams named.
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Post by: Locinator on March 22, 2012, 08:04:18 PM
Backs: Very Strong. Perfect Bye Structure. Not sure about Allen. I would pick Morris. rd13 bye is Gold.
Mids: Fine lacking one premium though. Also i would pick shiel over Clifton
Rucks: Fine. I like the Longer pick I reckon his a gun.
Forwards: Very Strong.

Rating: 9/10

Could you rate mine at http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,48487.0.html
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Post by: Babylove on March 22, 2012, 10:28:55 PM
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, G Broughton, J Adcock, B. Ellis, S. Darley  (J.Allen, T Bugg)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, T. Rockliff, J. Selwood, C. Smith,  S. Clifton, J. McDonald (H. Cunningham, J Magner)
RUC: D. Cox, J Reddan (J. Giles, B. Longer)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes, N Fyfe, D. Martin, P. Dangerfield, J, Porplyzia, D Smith (T Dickson A Hall)
Cash $12, 500
Backs: like your premiums. Darley hasn't been named so you at least need to bench him if not trade him. 

Mids: Clifton has been named an emergency an I'm not sure about McDonald and his potential for a lot of game time.

Rucks: look fine. I'd have Giles starting though.

Forwards: strong. I like it.

Overall 8.5/10
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Post by: superbot on March 22, 2012, 11:32:26 PM
very strong team mate!
9/10 for me
please rate mine
http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,52250.0.html
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Post by: Ringo on March 24, 2012, 12:11:04 PM
The  time has come for lodging the final team as will play this weak: Have the option of Captain loop hole if needed

DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, G Broughton, P Hanley, B. Ellis, T Bugg (J. Allen, S Morris)
MID: G. Ablett jnr (C), T. Rockliff, J. Selwood, J Caddy  D Shiels, T Magner (T Ledger J McDonald(e) )
RUC: D. Cox, J Reddan (J. Giles, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes, (VC) N Fyfe, D. Martin, P. Dangerfield, J, Porplyzia, D Smith,  (A Hall, T Dickson)

Have gone with Hanley as a possible unique and POD from most sides.  Think he may outscore Adcock.
Have added Caddy in mids.
Playing Reddan on the field as I feel he will score more points against McEvoy than Giles will against Mummy.
Went back to Stephenson so can get Caddy.  Thought of Jenkins but do not know about JS.

Have reasonable bye coverage which will be watched with trades.

Any comments welcome but very satisfied with this team.
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Post by: tor01doc on March 24, 2012, 12:15:15 PM
Like your team nut 12 premiums and Brisbane are crapola so Rockliff and Hanley are risky as I beleive the 3300 is split usually in favour of winning teams.

Notice no R13 byes down back (at this stage - I think as we load up on premiums it'll be inevitable). Good move.



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Post by: CyclopZ on March 24, 2012, 12:26:33 PM
Ringo - seriously mate. Team is really strong and i like it a lot.

Caddy is the big question mark for mine and im noticing a few teams taking a punt on him. He looks to have all the tools to have a good year so i dont mind the pick.

I like the Hanley unique - everyone has either Hargrave, Lake or Malceski in that spot.

Also love Rocky in the mids - he just continues to produce. I dont like McDonald but i understand why people are picking him. Just my opinion.

Cox is a gun but im interested to see if\how he is managed this year and this is the first year i have not picked him.... could burn me.

Your forward line is stacked... Overall your set for a good year.

8.5/10 and best of luck

Feel free to have a look at my team and add some feedback

http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,52550.0.html
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Post by: Jay on March 24, 2012, 12:28:33 PM
$$$ left?
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Post by: Ringo on March 24, 2012, 12:30:46 PM
Used most only $7,500 so all eggs in the team but options available by downgrading etc.
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Post by: charliesheen on March 24, 2012, 12:40:07 PM
I think you have taken some of the strength out of the 3RR structure by going only 3 premium mids.  I actually had the same setup initially but I've gone back to 4-5.  I also think Caddy is much more suited to the DT game.

Personally I would try rejigg your team by, downgrading Shaw to 200-300k defender, downgrading Longer to Stephenson, downgrading Cox to 2nd best thing, and then upgrading Caddy to M4.

Saying that, think you should listen to your gut on this decision.

BTW, Who is Allen?
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Post by: Ringo on March 24, 2012, 12:54:59 PM
Thanks again CS -

Jackson Allen from Gold Coast Suns - Was drafted by Suns as a priority Queensland Zone player prior to the National Draft. Was a standout for Morningside in the NEAFL and this is the comment that put him on my radar:
"One person highly impressed by Allen is AFL national talent manager Kevin Sheehan. After seeing Allen star for the Queensland under-18s against the Northern Territory earlier this year, Sheehan described his kicking as elite and already AFL standard."
He has a very penetrating right boot and was used by Suns as top up player last year in Reserves so also knows the game plan.
Also has the added Back/DPP which can be used in trade room this year.
Just to give you some info.  Being a Qlder maybe a little bit biased but this kid may be something in the future.

Do not know about you CS but this year when prices have been adjusted for th 30 players it is extremely hard to get a strong team on all lines. I am still not completely satisfied but best I can do with cap. 
Regarding Cox selected him because of the 1/3 Ruck structure and have not been really impressed by some of Ruck performances pre season.  Longer has gone to Stephenson Do you know much about Jenkins from Crows as a possible alternative.
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Post by: charliesheen on March 24, 2012, 01:14:11 PM
imo, this is the year to grab a few more mid pricers, especially with the depth of the 200-300k range.

Jenkins is a solid player, but I don't expect him to be named.  Can't justify the extra 40k from Longer as discussed before.  Orren should get games.
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Post by: Jay on March 24, 2012, 02:34:06 PM
Well for starters a real solid team! Congrats on finally finishing the pre-seasom of supercoach ;)

Backs: perfect...i hope the hanley unique works out for you! But you know a heck of a lot about the lions so i trust you know a bit about him ;) only blemish is j.allen, look elsewhere mate (mohr townsend smedts)! A 9.5 for this line :)

Mids: very good...i think ive said it before, but if your going with the 3-3 strategy (which is the best option) i think you need superstar premiums (e.g. I have ablett swan selwood). I jusy dont think rockliff is quite a super-premium at this stage. Very good none-the-less. Your rookie picks are flawless and caddy is a gun! A 9 for this line :)

Rucks: if confident with 1-3 structure then perfect! Another 9 :)

Fwds: faultless...not very unique but still a perfect line...your premium choices are great as long as your confident with danger...keep in mind buddy has a tough starting draw and might be able to snag him for a better price. Rookie picks are faultless! 9.5



An excellent team...im only nitpicking with my suggestions because i cant find much wrong with the team!

Good luck :)
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Post by: meow meow on March 25, 2012, 10:46:02 PM
You've got the wrong Lion in the backline. 20 games @ 110 for JD
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Post by: mpollock on March 25, 2012, 11:05:14 PM
Team is pretty much spot on!!

You have taken a hit with only 3 premiums in the mids and with the 3 rookie ruck approach.
But unlike most teams like this you have spent the extra cash perfectly.

9.5/10 mate.
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Post by: Jay on March 26, 2012, 08:11:56 AM
You've got the wrong Lion in the backline. 20 games @ 110 for JD
hey meow...just take a look at this table for me and let me know what year he has played 20 games?

Quote


Past Supercoach Average Scores
Year   Games   Average
2005   14           85.8
2006   7           77.4
2007   11           113.4
2008   13            89.4
2009   19           95.9
2010   7           91.6
2011   7            75.7


Drummmond averages just over 11 games a season...that is why others dont have the same 'JD' mancrush as you...
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on March 26, 2012, 09:11:42 AM
Just a couple of tweaks which may or may not work but have to risks to be unique.
Shaw > Golby
Cox > Berger
Caddy > Thompson

Gives me 4 prem mid but slightly weakens def.  But overall think this will be better structure and more SC points initially.

Meow Love Drummond too and if he stays healthy maybe my upgrade target
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Post by: mpollock on March 26, 2012, 02:15:32 PM
I did a similar thing ... I reckon you need 4 premium mids to stay up there in the rankings early ... that is where all the points come from ... just have to hope you can nail Golby or similar ...

I am going for M.Clarke over Lake, Harg, Golby etc ... at his price i think he has as much upside and with less risk due to his price being a fair bit cheaper ... lake is around $285k whereas clarke is only $170ish.

This meant i could get Hale as my 5th forward .... who i much prefer over Porp's personally.
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Post by: charliesheen on March 29, 2012, 11:40:25 AM
Brisbane Lions ruckman Matthew Leuenberger overcomes achilles injury for round 1 AFL clash against Melbourne

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-lions-ruckman-matthew-leuenberger-overcomes-achilles-injury-for-round-1-afl-clash-against-melbourne/story-e6frepex-1226312727353 (http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/brisbane-lions-ruckman-matthew-leuenberger-overcomes-achilles-injury-for-round-1-afl-clash-against-melbourne/story-e6frepex-1226312727353)

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Post by: Ringo on March 29, 2012, 11:46:55 AM
Thanks CS - Read the story myself a few minutes ago.  Just concern with achilles injuries as they have a habit of hanging around so need to decide whether to jump now or wait and see.
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Post by: charliesheen on March 29, 2012, 11:55:46 AM
imo, jacobs and mcevoy just as good options.  too many question marks with Leuy, especially with Hudson & preseason.
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Post by: Ringo on March 29, 2012, 12:18:34 PM
Been seriously considering Jacobs with Crows early draw and only faces Mumford and Sandilands as top rucks in the first 10 rounds. Averaged 93 (which included a 50 for the last 11 games) and in second year at new cllub. Will probably make the switch Berger to Jacobs.

Thoughts on NDS v Scott Thompson M4 (Can afford NDS with change) Think NDS is slipping under the radar in most teams Super consistent and only had 6 scores less than 100 and only 2 below 85.  Thomson again in an improving team though so will he increase.  Also seriously considering downgrading Rockliff to Redden thought on this.
Will leave my midfield Ablett, Dalsanto, Selwood, Rockliff/Reddan
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Post by: charliesheen on March 29, 2012, 12:22:34 PM
Rather NDS than Thompson.  Then upgrade to Swallow.

Can you afford M.Murphy?  Can't see him going backwards.
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Post by: upthemaidens on March 29, 2012, 12:33:52 PM
thompson in SC, not so good.. much more a DT'er       nick dal is a better choice
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Post by: Ringo on March 29, 2012, 12:40:53 PM
Could go Murphy rather than Dalsanto but gut tells me Dalsanto will have a better year.

So final changes
Berger > Jacobs
Thompson > NDS
Rockliffe > Reddan

Leaves me a bank of 65k only 5k if I do not do last trade.
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Post by: charliesheen on March 29, 2012, 01:04:32 PM
Any way to keep Rockliff?  The gap between Redden and Rocky not so big in DT.  But in SC, see Rockliff as better option.

Redden really needs to push 115 which is a 10 ppg big push.
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Post by: Ringo on March 29, 2012, 01:21:20 PM
As I said above keeping him instead of going Reddan leave me only $5k but I can live with that if need be.

The concern I have and being a Lions man as well is that Rocky will get a litle more attention this year,  Worked on his kicking in the offseason which imo was why his DT scores were higher as he would have lost points for inefficient kicking. So if he has improved that there is the 10ppg. The 2 full games he played in NAB cup scored 121 and 103 SC Points.
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Post by: charliesheen on March 29, 2012, 01:46:16 PM
10 ppg in SC is a big ask imo (would put him in the top 10 mids).  If you were confident he would do that, he would have been in your earlier team selections.
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Post by: Ringo on April 15, 2012, 02:58:27 PM
Haven't updated for a while.  Here is my Team as it stands for Round 3

Team for round 3
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, J. Geary, G Broughton, P Hanley, B. Ellis, T Bugg (P Yagmoor, S Morris)
MID: G. Ablett jnr (C), T. Rockliff, J. Selwood, N Dal Santo, (VC) D Shiels, T Magner (T Ledger J McDonald )
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (,J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes, N Fyfe, D. Martin, P. Dangerfield, J, Porplyzia, A Kennedy,  (A Hall, D Smith)
Cash left $54,100  Trades left 22

Trades made
Golby > Geary
Dickson > Kennedy (Pleased I now went Kennedy and not Milera)

This week will be another to fix rookies
Yagmoor out definitely to Mohr or Hombsch and maybe Ledger to Treloar although this can wait a week if I need a trade due to LTI for Fyfe.
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Post by: charliesheen on April 16, 2012, 04:38:27 PM
Good trades.   8)

Kennedy was always a must have.  Glad you didn't go Milera.
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Post by: Ringo on April 16, 2012, 05:45:25 PM
Thanks CS swapped Morris and Bugg  :-[ :-[ Left Bugg on the Pine. Would have won all 5 leagues if I stayed with Bugg as I only lost one by one point.

As a POD if Fyfe out for a period thinking of Waite or conservatively N Roo. Thoughts on this both seem to be going better than last year.
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Post by: charliesheen on April 16, 2012, 05:57:23 PM
Whats in the bank mate?
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Post by: charliesheen on April 16, 2012, 06:03:35 PM
50k.   Sorry only just saw it.  Take proven premium in Boomer.  Great set of fixtures and excellent preseason.

IMO, NROO & Waite are great starting picks, but not so great sideways picks.

You have a good foundation of a team.
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Post by: GoldDigger on April 17, 2012, 06:47:22 PM
Yep, age does not seem to weary the Boomer!
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: dror on April 19, 2012, 08:47:59 PM
Hi,
Need some help please:
Backs: deledio, goddard, shaw, broughton, bug, hanley, B.ellis, Yagamoo & darley
Mid: Ablett, selwood, magner, pendlebury, sheil, C.smith, ledger & clifton.
Ruck: Cox, Giles, reden, steph
Forward: franklin, fyfe, martin, porps, d.smith, A.Hall, goodes, T,dickson

Not sure if to trade shaw and clay smith?

Please help...

thanks.
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Post by: GoldDigger on April 19, 2012, 08:56:40 PM
Pls. start yer own thread - it ain't polite to hijack someone else's!
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Post by: dror on April 19, 2012, 09:02:37 PM
sorry about that first time user.
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Post by: Ringo on April 19, 2012, 09:08:16 PM
Round 3 Score 2215
Ranking 10374

Round 4
One trade Yagmoor > Paine who is on the bubble with a -21 B/E Will make a nice little profit and sit on pine as D9 for a while. (Thought of Mohr or Hombsch but they are $50k dearer)
Still contemplating whether to sit on Fyfe or go Fyfe to Harvey.  Both are in my desired Final Team so can be swayed either Way. Thinking that Fyfe may go down another $50k with a 201 B/E so do i trade to Boomer know and get Fyfe again when he bottoms out. Maybe wasting a trade.

Round 4 Team:
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, J. Geary, G Broughton, P Hanley, B. Ellis, T Bugg (J Paine, S Morris (E))
MID: G. Ablett jnr (C), T. Rockliff, J. Selwood, N Dal Santo, (VC) D Shiels, T Magner (T Ledger J McDonald (E))
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (,J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, D Smith, N Fyfe, D. Martin, P. Dangerfield, J, Porplyzia, A Kennedy,  (A Hall,(E) A. Goodes )
Cash left $65,600  Trades left 21
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on April 19, 2012, 10:49:11 PM
Didn't take Mohr :O  Should have asked me about that, would have taken him easily.  Aggressive approach, would be to sell Fyfe now.  Personally, I would lean on the conservative side of keeping him.

See if Paine plays...  Would even consider Fyfe > Birchall/Carrots, allowing you to offload Paine for Treloar in following weak.  Can't see any back down grades in the near future.
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Post by: GoldDigger on April 19, 2012, 11:31:53 PM
Think I'd be grabbing Boomer - he's a beast atm. Age shall not weary ...
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Post by: charliesheen on April 19, 2012, 11:43:27 PM
Forgot you had 50k. Can get 2 underpriced defenders right now and can fix the Paine issue.

Still something to think about, cost:performance ratio.
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Post by: Ringo on April 20, 2012, 05:51:07 AM
Thanks Guys -

Trade yesterday was was Yagmoor to Paine. Did not have enough cash to go Yagmoor to Mohr $500 short.  That is why I went Paine to get a little extra cash. Named for pies this week. Could not find a defender less than $152k as I wanted to keep 20k in case I went Fyfe to Boomer. If you know of one please advise. (Reversible trades come in handy.)

Probably will do Fyfe to Boomer as although he played with shoulder problems  last year it was not common knowledge as it is know and will only take a bump or 2 to pop out again.

Is this a better option: keep Fyfe and go Yagmoor to Tomlinson.

One more Trade Ledger > Bubble and then sit pending LTI's. (Hanley and Martin only concerns but will give them more three games to assess.)
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Post by: charliesheen on April 20, 2012, 12:18:57 PM
Don't go Tomlo.

Yagmoor > Paine was always going to be dodgy.  If in doubt, just leave your non-playing rookies.  So I would say keep Paine now, if you don't play on switching him forwards.
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Post by: Ringo on April 20, 2012, 01:52:40 PM
Thanks CS - What about Fyfe to Boomer Gut is telling me do it as Fyfe may reinjure shoulder and require surgery.
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Post by: charliesheen on April 20, 2012, 01:58:16 PM
Thanks CS - What about Fyfe to Boomer Gut is telling me do it as Fyfe may reinjure shoulder and require surgery.

Aggressive trade...  Strongly considering myself.  Don't like any other premium forwards.
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Post by: Hippo on April 20, 2012, 02:03:20 PM
Thanks CS - What about Fyfe to Boomer Gut is telling me do it as Fyfe may reinjure shoulder and require surgery.
im not sure about Harvey honestly!

i have had every year bar this one, but looking at is stats puts me off.
Including all NAB games, 8 games he has laid 6 tackles, last week he got 38d and 0 tackles. Teams will start to tag him to stop his run and then where is his scores going to come from, 38d and only 106sc pts for a winning team. Opposition know that Harvey has been there most dangerous player for yrs and now seeing how many he got against the Cats will go for the tag on him, stop him getting the outside ball and you stop him scoring
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Post by: charliesheen on April 20, 2012, 02:07:09 PM
Thanks CS - What about Fyfe to Boomer Gut is telling me do it as Fyfe may reinjure shoulder and require surgery.
im not sure about Harvey honestly!

i have had every year bar this one, but looking at is stats puts me off.
Including all NAB games, 8 games he has laid 6 tackles, last week he got 38d and 0 tackles. Teams will start to tag him to stop his run and then where is his scores going to come from, 38d and only 106sc pts for a winning team. Opposition know that Harvey has been there most dangerous player for yrs and now seeing how many he got against the Cats will go for the tag on him, stop him getting the outside ball and you stop him scoring

lol harvey has always been tagged.
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Post by: Hippo on April 20, 2012, 02:20:01 PM
Thanks CS - What about Fyfe to Boomer Gut is telling me do it as Fyfe may reinjure shoulder and require surgery.
im not sure about Harvey honestly!

i have had every year bar this one, but looking at is stats puts me off.
Including all NAB games, 8 games he has laid 6 tackles, last week he got 38d and 0 tackles. Teams will start to tag him to stop his run and then where is his scores going to come from, 38d and only 106sc pts for a winning team. Opposition know that Harvey has been there most dangerous player for yrs and now seeing how many he got against the Cats will go for the tag on him, stop him getting the outside ball and you stop him scoring

lol harvey has always been tagged.
yes he has i guess i could have explained it better!

He always gets a light tag just from the nature of his name, he wasn't tagged hard enough by Hunt and it hurt, all im saying is dont be surprised if he gets focused on more so this yr by the opposition now they are winning and he is racking up possies with all players looking to go through him

dont get me wrong hes a good pick, but you pose a question on a forum and i chose to respond with my view
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Post by: charliesheen on April 20, 2012, 02:31:08 PM
Who would you take instead assuming you had to trade Fyfe + 50k?
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Post by: Hippo on April 20, 2012, 02:47:23 PM
Who would you take instead assuming you had to trade Fyfe + 50k?
This is very much a dilemma for me as i too have Fyfe.

For me i'm going to trade him as i am ranked quite highly on both and the risk of keeping him etc is too much for me, just feel its a risk i can cancel out and dont need.

I started with Sideass and Robo so i am going to take the punt on Whitex BUT if i didn't have the other 2 then i would be going Sideass then Robbo and then WhiteX.

Sidey, locked in Pies midfield and can run all day long, loves a goal and a big game, wont get tagged! tick tick tick tick for me

i think he would be best but time will tell
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Post by: charliesheen on April 20, 2012, 03:02:05 PM
Sidebottom is good option.  Think I will be staying away from most pies this year (SC wise).  They are not as fantasy conducive team as last year.

Likely no Shaw, Swan, Cloke, possibly Sidebottom at this stage.  DT I have him..

I still stand by Boomer being a very very safe pick.
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Post by: Ringo on April 20, 2012, 04:26:44 PM
Have just done Fyfe to Boomer and Yagmoor > Paine for this week.

Leaves me 20 trades and $46k, Will use one trade next week to rectify Ledger and then sit unless LTI interferes. Trading Strategy was 8 trades to Round 10 so comfortable at the moment.
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Post by: charliesheen on April 20, 2012, 05:26:27 PM
wait wait, you bringing Paine into team? or you already have him?
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Post by: Jay on April 20, 2012, 05:44:51 PM
wait wait, you bringing Paine into team? or you already have him?
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Post by: Ringo on April 20, 2012, 06:34:13 PM
Bringing in him this week for Yagmoor. Will make a little bit cash and be a nice downgrade target when Docherty plays.
This weeks Trades
Out Yagmoor in Paine
Out Fyfe In Harvey

Final Round 4 Team
Round 4 Team:
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, J. Geary, G Broughton, P Hanley, B. Ellis, T Bugg (J Paine, S Morris (E))
MID: G. Ablett jnr (C), T. Rockliff, J. Selwood, N Dal Santo, (VC) D Shiels, T Magner (T Ledger J McDonald (E))
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (,J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, D Smith, B Harvey, D. Martin, P. Dangerfield, J, Porplyzia, A Kennedy,  (A Hall,(E) A. Goodes )
Cash left $46,500  Trades left 20

Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Jay on April 21, 2012, 09:52:06 AM
to be honest mate...i dont like the yagmoor > paine trade! If you want docherty then i would have just held yagmoor and traded to docherty when on bubble. If you really wanted yagmoor to go then i wouldve got hombsch or mohr if $$$ allowed. If didnt have enough cash then u couldve got sidearse in for fyfe (like me 8) ) having said that I like the fyfe > harvey trade!

Good luck
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Post by: charliesheen on April 21, 2012, 10:36:14 PM
Agree, Paine trade was a bit puzzling.
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Post by: felsty on April 21, 2012, 10:38:43 PM
Agree, Paine trade was a bit puzzling.

+1

seems a bit of a waste  ???
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Post by: Ringo on April 21, 2012, 11:06:13 PM
Because of my low cash situation wanted to make a little bit with Paine.  Not making any with Yagmoor. Know possibly waste but am comfortable where I sit at the moment.
Probably only go Ledger to Treloar this week.  Had another good game tonight. Will also give additional bench coverage should Ablett be out,.
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Post by: charliesheen on April 21, 2012, 11:53:56 PM
Maybe I don't rate Paine's job security as much as you.  Personally, I don't think he is going to make enough $$$ to justify a trade.  Would rather wait for Docherty like Jayman said.  Too late anyhoo.
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Post by: Ringo on April 24, 2012, 08:18:30 PM
Round 4 score 2138 Overall Rating 6247
Won all 5 league matches.
Round 4 Team:
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, J. Geary, G Broughton, P Hanley, B. Ellis, T Bugg (J Paine, S Morris (E))
MID: G. Ablett jnr (C), T. Rockliff, J. Selwood, N Dal Santo, (VC) D Shiels, T Magner (T Ledger J McDonald (E))
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (,J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, D Smith, B Harvey, D. Martin, P. Dangerfield, J, Porplyzia, A Kennedy,  (A Hall,(E) A. Goodes )
Cash left $46,500  Trades left 20
 
Stars: Geary continues to shine in my back line with Lids and Hanley also contributing scores in excess of 100. Rockliff gold in mids supported by Ablett and Selwood. Giles another 100+ contribution in ruck.
Rookies doing well Bugg, Morris, Ellis, but disappointed with magner, Shiel, Kennedy and Smith. Porps return of 95 sound.
Forwards my biggest disappointment with not 1 scoring over 100 - Harvey extremely so after trading him in for Fyfe. But I knew he did not score well against Sydney.
Decisions this week do i trade GAJ or bench!!!  Will probably just bench as overall has probably gone and in good position with leagues.
Will definitely Trade Ledger to Treloar

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Post by: charliesheen on April 24, 2012, 10:29:46 PM
Paine not named  :-X
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Post by: Ringo on April 24, 2012, 10:52:38 PM
If thats the only bad decision I make for the year I will be happy but no doubt more to come :( :( :(

For your info CS liked the output of Jack Crisp last Saturday night so may be a very good downgrade option if he continues to get games.  I suspect he will be only in the team until Zorko gains fitness in reserves by which time he may have had a nice price rise if he maintains an average 70+
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Post by: charliesheen on April 24, 2012, 10:59:00 PM
Each individual trade is based on a set of individual assumptions.  For example, here are some assumptions supporting trading GAJ

1. He will score poorly coming back from a lay off - say 110 SC.
2. 2-3 weeks could potentially come 4-5 weeks.
3. you don't have Pendles
4. and so on...

This is GAJ we are talking about.  With the information we have to go by, I would rather save the trade and give him the benefit of the doubt.

Actually, I am pretty pissed I traded Fyfe myself, but lets see if Ross Lyon was not mind flowering us.

Ledger > Treloar is a sensible trade.   

To be honest if you listened to my advice of going Fyfe > Birchall/Carrazzo, you would have been screwed over :D
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Post by: Ringo on April 24, 2012, 11:11:42 PM
Thats what we like about the forum.!!! Half the time wish I listened to my own advice.

Am I going to far out on a limb this week with putting Buddy as captain. Loves playing at Launceston and scores well against Sydney. May change though if the weather forecasts changes from a Shower or 2.
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Post by: charliesheen on April 24, 2012, 11:14:46 PM
One of my rules is NEVER give Buddy captaincy unless we're at end of season and you need POD.  For me, NDS or Boomer are clear choices to bounce back after poor weeks.

Melbourne and GWS are two teams that concede the most fantasy points, captain here makes sense.
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Post by: Ringo on April 24, 2012, 11:28:02 PM
Thanks CS - Also considering Selwood V Brisbane has an average of 125 against us.
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Post by: charliesheen on April 24, 2012, 11:31:24 PM
Tbh, haven't really looked at the stats much this week but I think giving Buddy captaincy will bring you to tears.

Just a warning.
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Post by: GoldDigger on April 25, 2012, 12:06:58 AM
Thanks CS - Also considering Selwood V Brisbane has an average of 125 against us.

Watch out for the Raines tag ...
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Post by: charliesheen on April 25, 2012, 12:08:23 AM
If Raines injures Selwood I am going to hunt him down.
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Post by: GoldDigger on April 25, 2012, 12:13:00 AM
You and (*# of Selwood owners*) others!
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Post by: Ringo on April 25, 2012, 10:00:33 AM
Raines tagged Ablett differently and other coaches may look at this. He let Ablett get the ball then pounced to minimise his distribution.  Was interesting watching the tactics especially in the third quarter when they were trying to position Hunt between Raines and Ablett.

Round 5 Team: pending no late outs but will only effect subs as good cover
DEF: B. Goddard (VC), B. Deledio, J. Geary, G Broughton, P Hanley, B. Ellis, T Bugg (J Paine, S Morris (E))
MID: T. Rockliff, J. Selwood, N Dal Santo, D Shiels, T Magner,J McDonald (A Treloar (E) G. Ablett jnr)
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (,J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes,  B Harvey, (C) D. Martin, P. Dangerfield, J, Porplyzia, A Kennedy,  (A Hall, D Smith,(E)  )
Cash left $46,500  Trades left 19
Comments on Captain selections Went with Harvey on the basis he scored 155 against GC last year following 2 disappointing performance against Sydney and Adelaide. Gold caost also without their midfield stars Ablett, Riska and Swallow.  Vice on Goddard whose last 3 games against Melbourne have been 127, 135, 124.
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Post by: Ringo on April 30, 2012, 08:02:07 PM
Round 5 Like most Shower of a Round - Porps withdrawal cost me a donut as I had both Hall and Kennedy as emergencies and they did not play coupled with Smiths 17 as sub.

Round 5 Score 2012 Weekly Rating 42,685 Overall Rating 6550 (Down 203 for week)

Stars: Delidio, Rockliff, Jacobs, Rookies Giles and Bugg, with martin and Dangerfield finally finding some form.
Acceptable Broughton, Selwood, Dalsanto,
Disappointments: Geary, Harvey as Captain!!; Franklin.

Decisions for this week:
Captain - Obviously Ablett if back but if not do I follow heart and head this week and go Rocky v Essendon, Selwood v Melbourne (will probably cop Magner tag); Goddard or Dalsanto v Hawks. Will not put C on Harvey again and with SC luck may pull out 140 plus this week V Eagles.

Wait till teams named but at this stage do not think I will be trading this week.
Is it time to cash in Devon Smith or wait one week. (B/E 58 which he should achieve if not sub)
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Post by: GoldDigger on April 30, 2012, 09:20:20 PM
Probs wait 1,Ringo. No rain (remember Woodstock?) should let the Bombers loose, so consider a Stanton / Watson for "C"... if you had 'em!
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Post by: charliesheen on April 30, 2012, 10:19:46 PM
Pretty confident Ablett won't be back.  Selwood vs Melbourne is no brainer.  Though Boomer spudded it up badly vs GCS.  Still deciding whether I will take punt on Pfieffer...

Don't think you really need to do much with <50k in bank.
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Post by: GoldDigger on April 30, 2012, 10:41:01 PM
Hard to disagree on Selwood. Probs Ringo posted pre the "got off" knowledge, CS.

As for "Michelle" P. - JS and no vest status is crucial. What's yer opinion?

Sorry to hijack thread, Ringo ...
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Post by: Ringo on May 01, 2012, 05:47:37 AM
Pretty confident Ablett won't be back.  Selwood vs Melbourne is no brainer.  Though Boomer spudded it up badly vs GCS.  Still deciding whether I will take punt on Pfieffer...

Don't think you really need to do much with <50k in bank.
Thanks CS  got cover for Ablett anyway,  Starting to look at what trades need to do over the next 5/6 weeks to minimise byes effect
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Post by: charliesheen on May 01, 2012, 09:56:52 AM
Hard to disagree on Selwood. Probs Ringo posted pre the "got off" knowledge, CS.

As for "Michelle" P. - JS and no vest status is crucial. What's yer opinion?

Sorry to hijack thread, Ringo ...

50/50 call.  Need him specifically for his bye and MPP, have enough round 11 rookies as it is.  Strongly considering taking him, and chancing my luck that he gets games at the "right" time.
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Post by: charliesheen on May 02, 2012, 06:42:42 PM
Quote
''At the time [of the Raines knock] he was a bit sick and sore. We have just got to take our time with him to make sure that he is right. By Friday we'll know and make a conservative decision.''

Maybe Selwood captain is a bad idea  ;D
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Post by: Jay on May 02, 2012, 06:47:07 PM
Rocky could be a good captain option this week for you mate...im going murph myself vs GWS but yeah rocky should be good :)

i dont know about you but im enjoying having to choose a captain each week instead of leaving it on GAJ 8)
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Post by: Ringo on May 07, 2012, 10:05:48 AM
Real problems after Round 6 Do nut with Selwood late withdrawal and big mistake with C on Rockliff and big disappointments from Dal Santo

Round 6 score 1860 Weekly Rating 183566 Overall Rating 25940 (Down 19k from last week).

What to do with this team looks good on paper but some issues with injuries and late withdrawals.
Round 6 Team:
DEF: B. Goddard (VC), B. Deledio, J. Geary, G Broughton, P Hanley, S Morris, T Bugg (J Paine, B. Ellis, )
MID: T. Rockliff, (C) J. Selwood, N Dal Santo, D Shiels, T Magner,J McDonald (A Treloar (E) G. Ablett jnr)
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (,J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes,  B Harvey,  D. Martin, P. Dangerfield, J, Porplyzia,D Smith ,  (A Hall,A Kennedy ,(E)  )
Cash left $46,500  Trades left 19
Should have switched Treloar and Kennedy to avoid mid donut when rumours about Selwood emerged.

Questions what can be done with this team:
Who to upgrade. Have Geary, Porps, Kennedy and Magner reached ceilings
One trade that will probably be done is Kennedy to Horsely. Horsely will have the Round 13 bye and meets my strategy.

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Post by: GoldDigger on May 07, 2012, 07:40:05 PM
Yup, the horse will be a popular target this week for that very reason.
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Post by: Ringo on May 07, 2012, 08:08:56 PM
Thoughts on these 2 options with Goodes suffering LTI (I consider anything greater than 4 weeks LTI as imo greater than 4 weeks is too long to have prems sitting on the bench.)

Option 1
Goodes to Beams
Kennedy to Horsely

Option 2
Goodes to Adams (GWS)
Kennedy to Horsley
Next Week depending on cash and prices
Shiel/Magner to Murphy
Porps to Beams.
Hopefully no injuries interfere
Still would have 15 trades left.
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Post by: GoldDigger on May 08, 2012, 01:33:03 AM
I admit, I haven't stopped to think much - option 1, I reckon, Ringo!
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Post by: Ringo on May 08, 2012, 05:54:06 PM
After some thought have come up with three options for Goodes. Need to make some decisions after last weeks shocking effort.

Current Team
DEF: B. Goddard (VC), B. Deledio, J. Geary, G Broughton, P Hanley, S Morris, T Bugg (J Paine, B. Ellis, )
MID: T. Rockliff, (C) J. Selwood, N Dal Santo, D Shiels, T Magner,J McDonald (A Treloar (E) G. Ablett jnr)
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (,J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, A. Goodes,  B Harvey,  D. Martin, P. Dangerfield, J, Porplyzia,D Smith ,  (A Hall,A Kennedy ,(E)  )
Cash left $46,500  Trades left 19

Obviously waiting for teams to be announced but barring any last minute changes looking at 3 options with Goodes out for 6 weeks:

Option 1
Kennedy > Horsely via DPP
using DPP Goodes to Pendles

Option 2
Goodes > Beames
Kennedy > Horsley  via DPP.

Option 3
Goodes > Adams
Kennedy to Horsley via DPP.
Bank cash for further upgrades

Opinions appreciated but leaning slightly towards option 1 to give me a mid line up of Ablett, Pendles, Rockliff, Dal Santo, Selwood with one further upgrade possibly Horsley to Murphy to complete Mids. Will also give cover for Ablett if out this week.

Weakens forwards slightly but I think midfield will offset,
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Post by: felsty on May 09, 2012, 02:46:13 PM
Is option one even a possibility? Once you move Kennedy to mids for Horsley you won't be able to swap Goodes into there?
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Post by: Capper on May 09, 2012, 03:28:22 PM
Is option one even a possibility? Once you move Kennedy to mids for Horsley you won't be able to swap Goodes into there?
felsty is correct, Option 1 doesnt work.

Kennedy to Horsley is a go via DPP

Then i would go Goodes to either
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Post by: Ringo on May 09, 2012, 06:43:38 PM
The joys of trying to sort things out.  Realised Option 1 does not work after posting when trialling it.
So will probably end up doing this:
Shiel to Horsely - Need Horsely for value and to assist bye situation.
Goodes to Pendles This is the week to get Pendles in.

Leaving me 17 trades plus $125k
Still need 5 trades for bye set up. So tossing up whether to cop more than 1 donut in a week to save trades. As I want at least 8 left after Round 13.
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Post by: Ringo on May 15, 2012, 12:30:47 PM
Not another good week for Round 7 with good scores allround
Score for week 2148  Weekly Rating 119335 Overall Rating 36608 (Down another 11k)
Stars - Giles and Franklin
Acceptable - Goddard, Delidio, Broughton, Hanley (81 for half a game) Selwood, Ablett, Dalsanto, Pendles (but not with C) and Dangerfield
Disappointments - Rockliff, Harvey, Martin (after great start), Geary.
Some rookies not performing either Porps, Bugg and Ellis.
Round 7 Team was:
DEF: B. Goddard (VC), B. Deledio, J. Geary, G Broughton, P Hanley, S Morris, T Bugg (J Paine, B. Ellis, )
MID: T. Rockliff, G. Ablett jnr.  S Pendlebury (C) Selwood, N Dal Santo, K Horsely, (T Magner,(E) J McDonald )
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (,J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, A Kennedy,  B Harvey,  D. Martin, P. Dangerfield, J, Porplyzia, D Smith , (A Hall, A Treloar (E)
17 Trades and $125k.

Decisions for this week -
Obviously back line needs attention with Bugg, Geary near or at ceiling and Hanley possible injury.
Suggestions appreciated.
Thinking going Paine to Wilkes to get rid of Dead wood as one trade but am I replacing a problem with a problem.  Would Smedts be a better option even though it will cost me $13k.
Geary to Lake
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Jay on May 15, 2012, 04:30:55 PM
paine-->spurr
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Post by: Capper on May 15, 2012, 09:06:02 PM
Ringo, i think Paine is out for a while as got injured in the 2s.

If you dont get rid of Ellis now you will need to keep him till he makes some money back. (i was lucky enough to get rid of him last week)

Some ins could be Spurr, Delaney, Brennan, Wilkes, Smedts

I would go Paine and Geary out, Smedts and Lake (not sure, just check the sums)
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Post by: Ringo on May 16, 2012, 07:26:37 AM
Thanks Tabs - Confirms what I was thinking anyway and is OK.  Needed another Round 12 bye player and Smedts fits the bill.  Waiting for Team announcements though.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on May 16, 2012, 03:29:06 PM
Structurally I think your in a lot of trouble in the forward line, too many R11 forward rookies.  IMO, setup your midfield too early, and I'm not sure how your going to fix everything in next 3 weeks.

No idea whats happening with Paine, but you definitely need another R12 defender like Spurr.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on May 17, 2012, 07:47:32 AM
Thanks CS - What is your opinion on this strategy.
Paine to Smedts/Spurr to get a Playing Round 12 Defender.
Then work on getting Round 11 Rookies to Round 12 bye players.
Basically to meet the proposed desired bues structure of 8/11/11 I need to trade my 4 Round 11 Rookies to Round 12 Players so was thinking downgrades and upgrades to Beams/Sidey/Zaha/Pearce/Pav.  Been wanting to do this for a while but not a lot of non round 11 rookie forwards coming through.
Made the mistake of getting rid of Forward Mid DPP agh.

It is easy to give advice on teams but at times i wish had the knowledge to advise on my own team!!!



Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on May 17, 2012, 01:43:43 PM
Geary's job security is good.  I think you should use him & Morris as a bye-keeper.

Ellis > Spurr
Kennedy > Zaharackis

Back line structure will be

DEF: 13/13/13/13/12/12/12 <11/11>

Grab zorko next week and keep getting R12 premium forwards for R11 rookies.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on May 17, 2012, 03:03:08 PM
Thanks CS

I have placed on the Players Board a thread on Sexton. Making Debut this week for GC as replacement for Swallow this week. (Swallow out for 6 weeks so if he plays every week will get through bye period and may make cash.)  Seeing how he goes and maybe a worthwhile downgrade target with a Round 13 bye to get some cash as well. Been a bit hard though to get any reserve grade stats from the NEAFL.

Also with Bugg not being named is it worth while doing Bugg to Spurr for more cash for forward upgrades and cover for Hanley as well if he does not play. Will also allow me to go Kennedy to Sidebottom.  Does away with second Round 11 Back but not an issue in my Team structure.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on May 21, 2012, 07:36:08 AM
Good week this week
SC score 2500  Weekly Position 2505 Overall Ranking 21,168 (up 15,500)
Trades completed
Bugg to Spurr
Kennedy to Sidebottom
Round 8 Team
DEF: B. Goddard (VC), B. Deledio, J. Geary, G Broughton, P Hanley, S Morris, L.Spurr(J Paine, B. Ellis, )
MID: T. Rockliff, G. Ablett jnr.  S Pendlebury (C) Selwood, N Dal Santo, K Horsely, (T Magner,(E) J McDonald )
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (,J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, S Sidebottom,  B Harvey,  D. Martin, P. Dangerfield, J, Porplyzia, A Treloar, (A Hall, D Smith (E))

Stars: Lids, Hanley, Rockliff, Ablett, Pendles, Selwood, Horsely,Dangerfield, Sidebottom,
Acceptable: Goddard, Broughton, Dalsanto, Jacobs, Giles, Franklin, Treloar, and Porps.
Disappointments: Morris, Geary, Spurr, Martin and Harvey.

Actions to consider this week:
What to do with Harvey?
Setting up for byes esp Forwards 3 Round 11 byes need to go to Round 12 byes so looking at Beams  and Zaha? and what to do wih Rucks for byes?
How to bring Zorko into midfield to create DPP? (Out Old Mac or Magner.) Is it worh waiting a week as price will not go up that much due to first week low score as sub.

Decisions?
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Jay on May 21, 2012, 07:52:53 AM
Would bring in Zorko for Magner...zorko will rise in price more than magner this week...Thats if u want mpp, id trade hall


Need to start offloading rnd 11 byes...if your not happy with harvey then beams/zaka are good options...but surely boomer is good enough to be a F7 keeper at least? So id keep the faith.

Magner-->Zorko
Porps-->Zaka

Bring in the double 'Z' i reckon :)

Good luck
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: mmark on May 21, 2012, 10:21:17 PM
For your team I would trade hall > zorko. Pre round 11 I would trade McDonald > non Rd 11 bye forward and swing Zorko into the midfield to maintain your bye structure and create the dpp. By then another forward rookie with a round 12/13 bye should have appeared to fill the place (eg. walsh) if downgrading was the way you wanted to go.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on May 22, 2012, 11:40:49 AM
Thoughts on these trades
McDonald to Zorko (Magner has a round 12 bye which is advantageous).  Barring LTI will set my mids for byes with final upgrade during byes or just after. (Magner/Horsely/Zorko to Murphy).
Harvey or Porps to Crameri (Looking for a POD and his stats are better than Zaha) With my usual luck Boomer will pull out a big one after I trade.
Both trades suit byes
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on May 22, 2012, 12:05:30 PM
Whats in bank?

GWS rookie not named > Zorko.  Don't worry about MPP link, you can open it back later by going Horsley > R12 forward.  Or McDonald > Sexton if he looks good.

Paine > Darley the following week.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on May 22, 2012, 12:33:30 PM
Thanks CS only $32k and 15 trades at the moment.  Appreciate your comments greatly especially as you offer suggestions that I overlooked.  For some reason easy to identify in other teams but not as easy to spot in your own team
Was definitely bringing in Darley next week.  Liked the look of him live on Sunday.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on May 22, 2012, 12:43:22 PM
Porps > Zaha a possibility assuming you downgrade a GWS rookie?
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on May 22, 2012, 01:15:46 PM
Thoughts on Crameri rather than Zaha CS.  Take out his stinker (46) against Pies and he is scoring as well as a lot of other forwards at an average 107. Playing GWS, Melbourne in the next 2 may have a day out.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on May 22, 2012, 01:33:52 PM
i would back zaha over the long run.  didn't miss a game last year, so that shows he can push through niggling injuries.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Slammer on May 22, 2012, 04:29:08 PM
G'day Ringo,

As previously discussed you and I both have Harvey. As he did not get suspended I think it may be wise if you can to hang onto him. After all he did use to be a premium. He has been heavily tagged but still seems to find a few touches in the last quarter when his tagger gets tired. If they do not put a tight tag on him then I reckon he still has the potential to cut loose.
He is still scoring 60-70pts with the tag I guess. Just a thought anyway as I think I will keep him now and back to have a big one.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on May 24, 2012, 08:11:33 PM
With all GWS players named who do I trade for Zorko - Magner, McDonald, Treloar, Devon Smith gains cash to go to Zaha or do I just go Hall to Zorko and bank the $60k.


Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on May 24, 2012, 11:42:40 PM
Whats in the bank right now? 
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on May 25, 2012, 05:49:05 AM
Whats in the bank right now?
$32k CS - Thank You. Was thinking Smith as Magner has Round 12 bye. Some nice new targets named as well this week.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: felsty on May 25, 2012, 06:58:32 AM
Think it would be foolish to trade out any of those 3 gws rookies Ringo.. You may have a plan for byes but youre going to get donuts regardless. Trade out Magner, he can't get much fatter, and save the others for when they are ripe ;)
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on May 25, 2012, 12:07:52 PM
Why would you replace R12 rookie (with very good JS) with another R11 rookie?  Bye coverage is more important than an extra 30K you can make.

Darley should fix the Paine issue and you only have one R11 in the back.

So this means you need to cut a GWS rookie and probably Porplyzia for an upgrade.  IGNORE breakevens, basically its going to come down to which GWS rookie you think will play in R12 and R13.

Basically coin toss.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on May 25, 2012, 04:10:19 PM
Thanks again CS
Will probably do Smith to Zorko and Porps to Zaha this week.  Leaving me $25k and 13 trades.
Next week Paine to Darley.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on May 25, 2012, 04:46:53 PM
I probably would have done the same trade.  Hopefully Sexton doesn't get subbed this week.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on May 28, 2012, 05:41:53 PM
This weeks score 2189 and won 4/5 Leagues
Weekly Rating 9008
Overall Rating 15251 up 6000 (Slowly clawing way back up after my Round 6 disaster of 1870 SC Points)

Trades done for Round 9 Smith to Zorko , Porps to Zaha leaving 13 trades and $25k
Round 9 Team
DEF: B. Goddard (VC), B. Deledio, J. Geary, G Broughton, P Hanley, S Morris, L.Spurr(J Paine, B. Ellis, )
MID: T. Rockliff, G. Ablett jnr.  S Pendlebury (C) Selwood, N Dal Santo, K Horsely, (T Magner,(E) J McDonald )
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (,J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, S Sidebottom,  B Harvey,  D. Martin, P. Dangerfield, D Zaharakis A Treloar, (A Hall, D Zorko (E)) Yeh left Zorko on bench.

Stars this week Hanley, Sidebottom, Dal Santo, Treloar,and finally Martin realising on promise with 119
Acceptable Pendles, Ablett (although some may say scores slack) Delidio, Goddard,Selwood, Horsely, Giles, Harvey and Zaha. Morris and Ellis probably more acceptable than disappointment.
Disappointments; Geary again,(Got to get him out eventually) Rockliff, Jacobs, Franklin, Dangerfield

This week
Finally get rid of Paine to Darley.
What should next trade be do I get Sexton for Treloar, Sets up Round 11 byes nicely.
Do I downgrade Ellis/Morris for Bootsma and cash.
Or only one trade and suck the byes as they come.
Yeo looks good and hopefully will stay in Brisbane's Team and will offer a downgrade Target in Round 12 when on the Bubble.
Decisions! Decisions!
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Jay on May 28, 2012, 05:50:39 PM
GDAY ringo!

i am a fan of your team mate! nice and unique :P obviously geary has to go ASAP....but then again i like the Paine-->Darley trade.  wouldnt touch Bootsma with a 10-foot.pole mate...very average job security. so if u did want to trade out a back after you traded out Paine then definitely upgrade. Have you considered Sexton >Hall/Magner???

good luck :)
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on May 28, 2012, 05:57:59 PM
J.Paine > Darley, especially if Kennedy is dropped.

You can afford to wait 1 week on Sexton, with price increases from McD and Treloar likely to come.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Knowall on May 28, 2012, 06:00:36 PM
If Geary is going to miss games you have to get him out, if hes playing this week youll probally have to keep him till after round 12, as St Kilda has the last bye.

id go Paine to Darley, magner to sexton.  Not really sold on Sexton's JS though, maybe leave this one.

With this cash would look at upgrading Morris to a round 11 defender in the next week.

Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on May 28, 2012, 06:50:43 PM
Just heard that Keefes leg injury is season ending is it worth hanging on to Paine if named and go Morris to Darley instead and Geary to Prem if enough cash or just hold.  Obviously wait for team announcements.
Will probably only do Paine to Darley if he is not named.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on May 28, 2012, 07:35:21 PM
Just heard that Keefes leg injury is season ending is it worth hanging on to Paine if named and go Morris to Darley instead and Geary to Prem if enough cash or just hold.  Obviously wait for team announcements.
Will probably only do Paine to Darley if he is not named.

Yeah thats good trade idea.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: felsty on May 29, 2012, 08:41:33 AM
Just heard that Keefes leg injury is season ending is it worth hanging on to Paine if named and go Morris to Darley instead and Geary to Prem if enough cash or just hold.  Obviously wait for team announcements.
Will probably only do Paine to Darley if he is not named.

Keefes injury is Nathan Brown or Chris Tarrants gain, not Paines. Both should be close to right for this weekends game, so Paine shouldn't really be seen as a possible inclusion. The two trades I would be making would be Paine down to Darley, and then trying to upgrade Geary ASAP, best case scenario to Waters. What can you afford?
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: ossie85 on May 29, 2012, 10:27:02 AM
Just heard that Keefes leg injury is season ending is it worth hanging on to Paine if named and go Morris to Darley instead and Geary to Prem if enough cash or just hold.  Obviously wait for team announcements.
Will probably only do Paine to Darley if he is not named.

Keefes injury is Nathan Brown or Chris Tarrants gain, not Paines. Both should be close to right for this weekends game, so Paine shouldn't really be seen as a possible inclusion. The two trades I would be making would be Paine down to Darley, and then trying to upgrade Geary ASAP, best case scenario to Waters. What can you afford?

Ben Reid should be back in Round 11 or after the bye also.

Keeffe, as pleased as I am with his progress, was a clear 4th behind Brown, Reid and Taz and is not in the Pies best 22 yet. All 3 won't play in the backline, but could play in the same team with Taz up forward.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on May 31, 2012, 08:26:17 PM
Teams announced so I will stick with one trade Paine to Darley.
Geary to bench leaving no emergencies (Spurr is other emergency). With only 310K to spend nothing stands out.  Looked at Patful at $282k with low b/e and wondered but then decided to just keep my 12 trades. Also thought of Geary to Bootsma for extra cash. Just need him to play a couple more games. Other suggestions welcome.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Jay on May 31, 2012, 08:57:14 PM
Paine > Darley is good...doesnt help in the $$$ department though, which is what you need to get a replacement for Geary who imo has to go...wouldnt get Bootsma, wont play many games, would leave you with a bench of Bootsma & Spurr, that could end very badly! I dont know much about Patfull apart from the fact he is worth more than 282k, could be a bargain if he averages enough to be your D7. Your the Brisbane man...work out what you think he will average, if he qualifies for D7 then could be a decent trade. Although no matter how you look at it, wont be much better scoring wise than Geary and with trades winding down, is it worth it? Probably not! So in conclusion,.i.dont see how I can help you mate. Sorry

good luck :)
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on June 01, 2012, 02:23:41 PM
Geary what a piece of shower.  Probably my fault you kept him.

Nothing you can really do I guess.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on June 01, 2012, 05:15:26 PM
Geary what a piece of shower.  Probably my fault you kept him.

Nothing you can really do I guess.
No Charlie can not blame yourself.  Actually though of trading him when he hit $320k and then thought him a keeper for a while.  Seriously though and possibly a waste of trade but would Patfull be more reliable I am looking through Maroon, Blue and Gold eyes though.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on June 04, 2012, 12:48:50 PM
Wouldn't think so.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on June 04, 2012, 07:46:18 PM
Round 10 not a good week. Only One trade Paine to Darley

SC Score 2155 Weekly Rank 112055 Overall Rank Now 20651 (down 5k)

Saints: Delidio, Goddard, Broughton, Ablett. Selwood, Franklin and Dangerfield
Sinners: Harvey again; Hanley, Horsely, Dal Santo, Rockliff,

Now for the big Decisions with byes coming up 12 trades and only $39,300

Round 11 outs:
Def: Hanley and Darley (Spurr and Geary need to play)
Mids: Rockliff, McDonald. (Pendles?)
Rucks; Jacobs, Giles (reddan and Stephenson need to play)
Forwards: Harvey, Dangerfield, Treloar and Zorko

Round 12 outs
Def: Spur Broughton
Mids: Pendles, Selwood, Magner
Rucks Stephenson
Forwards: Zaharakis Sidebottom

Round 13 Outs
Backs: Goddard, Delidio, Geary, Ellis, Morris
Mids: Horsley, Ablett, Dalsanto
Rucks: Reddan
Forwards: Franklin, Martin, Hall

Suggested Trades for Byes:
Round 12
Morris to Sam Shaw
Magner to Priddis

Round 13
Horsley to Rookie
Hall/Treloar to Beams
Minimum 4 donuts for byes if all emergencies etc play.

Leaves Team after Round 13
DEF: B. Goddard (VC), B. Deledio, J. Geary, G Broughton, P Hanley, S Shaw, L.Spurr(S Darley, B. Ellis, )
MID: T. Rockliff, G. Ablett jnr.  S Pendlebury (C) Selwood, N Dal Santo, M Priddis  (Rookie) J McDonald )
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (,J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, S Sidebottom,  B Harvey,  D. Martin, P. Dangerfield, D Zaharakis D Beams, (A Hall/Treloar D Zorko)
8 trades left for LTI's back upgrade and finals not ideal but with backs up and down thought could carry a couple of rookies.

Comments or other suggestions welcome
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on June 04, 2012, 07:54:37 PM
McDonald to Sexton, then upgrading to R12 back premium is probably way to go.

Nothing can do about Pendlebury/Spurr have to hold, but everyone is in same situation.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on June 04, 2012, 08:04:57 PM
Thanks CS - Is the trade to R12 back prem this week as well or Round 13. Strategy is to try and avoid a donut in Round 12. Want to bring Priddis in for Magner in Round 12 to complete mids.
Injuries have really bitten hard this year. I am probably 2 trades down on where I wanted to be based on original strategy. (Wanted 14 heading into byes)
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on June 04, 2012, 08:15:16 PM
Ah depends if Geary is named.

You could potentially go R12 or R13.  R12 just means one less donut in R13.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on June 05, 2012, 05:43:23 AM
What about Geary to Drummond next week also gets rid of the Round 13 bye.  Know injury prone but coming good and at a juicy price. Worth the risk!! No real stand out Round 12 prems after Shaw and Scotland. (Johnson, Taylor, Richards, Duffield not a lot there to inspire but just personal)
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on June 08, 2012, 01:48:25 PM
Round 10 Team:
DEF: B. Goddard (VC), B. Deledio, J. Geary, G Broughton, P Hanley, S Morris, L.Spurr(S Darley, B. Ellis, )
MID: T. Rockliff, G. Ablett jnr.  S Pendlebury (C) Selwood, N Dal Santo, K Horsely, (T Magner,(E) J McDonald )
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (,J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, S Sidebottom,  B Harvey,  D. Martin, P. Dangerfield, D Zaharakis A Treloar, (A Hall, D Zorko (E)

So much for planning but not alone:
Round 11 Outs:
Backs: Hanley, Geary, Spurr, Darley
Mids: Rockliff, McDonald, Horsely
Fwds: Dangerfield, Harvey, Treloar, Zorko.
12 Trades 39K

Thinking of the following trades to complete team and to improve cash situation.
Round 11
McDonald to Sexton (Williams probably more riskier JS than Sexton)
Geary to Bootsma (On the bubble and think he will get a few more games with Blues injuries). Could do Spurr as an alternative but not as much cash gain.
Leaving 10 trades and $342k

Round 12
Magner to Priddis
Spurr/Geary to Drummond (In for the ride)

Horsley to Rookie
Treloar to Round 12 Prem can afford Beams, Chappy Stevie J or maybe hold for Goddes.

Leaves 6 trades but prem team complete.

Thoughts on strategy and trades appreciated.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: conjitsu on June 08, 2012, 02:03:01 PM
Hey Ringo - i've enjoyed following your progress. slightly off topic though, as a first timer taking this seriously - how many trades should we be looking at having as as we progress towards the end of the season?
for general interest here is my team -
Def: Deledio, Goddard, Broughton, Hanley, Shaw, Morris, Darley, Paine, Delaney
Mid: Stanton, Selwood, Ablett, Rockliff, Kennedy, Smith, Williams, Adams
Ruck: Cox, Giles, Reddan, Stephenson
Fwd: Dangerfield, Sidebottom, Martin, Franklin, Beams, Hawkins, Zorko, Hall, Sexton
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on June 08, 2012, 02:03:54 PM
With Spurr in the back line, I think you should probably cool off on speculative rookie downgrades here.  Spread the risk in other areas of your team. 

Would try to upgrade Geary if you can directly.  Keen on Rance/Newman/MJ/etc?
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on June 08, 2012, 02:12:54 PM
Thanks again CS - Just did the sums and can afford MJ or Enright with McDonald down to Sexton. Geary to MJ. (Is it worth considering Williams for the extra 30K.  Personally do not think so when JS considered but value your opinion.)
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on June 08, 2012, 02:24:59 PM
Stay away from Marley.  Weed is bad for you.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on June 08, 2012, 02:39:32 PM
Enright or MJ - Enright appears to be on the improve when looked at stats,
Also probably downgrade Horse in preference to Mac to help with byes next 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on June 08, 2012, 03:14:58 PM
TBH, I don't think this is the year to play safe with proven premium, has not worked so far.  That is just my personal opinion.

Jmac vs Horsley is a massive coin toss.

Horsley should play next week, may even be a late in this week.  Jmac is gone for me, I don't trust him.  I am still contemplating whether I want Elliot seems to be fulfilling a specific need in the team.
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on June 11, 2012, 09:31:34 PM
Round 11 Flowered like all of us Late out Zaha, Pendles Injury, Spurr not named caused 5 donuts instead of planned 2.

Round 11 Score 1432 Overall Ranking now 20684 (Despite the flower score only went down 33 places).
Did 2 trades Horse to Sexton - Geary to Johnson

This week
Looking at Morris to Sam Shaw
Magner to Priddis

Leaving Round 12 Team
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, P Hanley, S Shaw; S Darley, B. Ellis,, L.Spurr (M. Johnson, G Broughton)
MID: T. Rockliff, G. Ablett jnr( C), N Dal Santo, M Priddis (VC),  A Sexton, J McDonald (S Pendlebury, Selwood)
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (,J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin,  B Harvey,  D. Martin, P. Dangerfield,  A Treloar, A Hall, D Zorko  (S Sidebottom,D Zaharakis)
One donut depending on teams named (Outs highlighted in red)
Priddis named as VC for Captains loophole.
Leaving 8 trades and 33k and 2 Back and 1 forward upgrade

Round 13 byes
Backs God, Lids and Ellis
Mids: Ablett, Dal, Sexton
Rucks: Reddan
Forwards: Buddy, Martin, Hall
Pendles and Zaha make a possible 5 donuts.
Comments and suggestions welcome.

Edit: Also may look at Switching Johnson and Zaha and trading Zaha to a Round 11 Back Pity Waters is suspended though.


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Post by: charliesheen on June 12, 2012, 11:53:13 PM
MJ :) 
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on June 13, 2012, 12:00:33 AM
R12

Zaharackis > S.Shaw, MJ goes forward.
Magner > R11 premium.

DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, P Hanley, S.Morris; S Darley, B. Ellis, S.Shaw (L.Spurr, G Broughton)
MID: T. Rockliff, G. Ablett jnr( C), N Dal Santo, M Priddis (VC),  A Sexton, J McDonald (S Pendlebury, Selwood)
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (,J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin,  B Harvey,  D. Martin, P. Dangerfield,  A Treloar, A Hall, D Zorko  (S Sidebottom, M. Johnson)

R13

B.Ellis > D.Beams/SJ/Chapman
A.Hall > T.Cloke
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: Ringo on June 13, 2012, 05:49:16 AM
Owe you big time for that one Charlie. 

had not thought of the Zaha downgrade rather than downgrade to Shaw and then using Forward upgrades and move back..  Will do.

Who do you think is the better keeper on bench Morris or Ellis.  Morris is better at the moment stats wise, but Ellis may be just as good given that he has probably ridded himself of the vest.  Toss of the coin I think.

Not a fan of Cloke so is Walker a better proposition considering Adelaides soft draw for rest of season.

Will aslo have to look at Round 13 trades as only $263k after Trades.  Maybe another downgrade if need be one of the Rookie Rucks??
Title: Re: Ringo's 2012 Team FF Updated - Please Read and comment
Post by: charliesheen on June 13, 2012, 10:39:28 AM
I don't really like Cloke either but some times you need to compromise due to trade situation.

IMO, ideally you want a forward line of Franklin, Dangerfield, Sidebottom, Beams, Chappy, SJ, NRiewoldt, but sometimes you need to cut corners so you have extra trades to cover for LTI's.

I would keep Morris over Ellis for sure.
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Post by: Ringo on June 14, 2012, 07:10:21 PM
With teams announced gone from 0 to 3 donuts 4 if Reddan does not play.

Only done 2 trades so far
Zaha to Sam Shaw
Magner to Priddis,

Is it worth doing Morris to Adcock or hold and wait for Carrazzo or Scotland a little later as their prices will come down.

Edit - Did a late trade Hall to Gibson so have $400k for upgrades next week but only 7 trades. 2 donuts only.
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Post by: Ringo on June 17, 2012, 09:58:39 PM
Reasonable week scored 2035 with 3 donuts. Overall rating now 14051 up 6.5k

One trade only Morris/Ellis to Beams 6 trades left and 92K

Leaves my Round 13 Team as

DEF:M. Johnson, P Hanley, S Darley, S.Shaw, L.Spurr??, G Broughton, Morriss/ Ellis (B. Goddard, B. Deledio)
MID: T. Rockliff, , M Priddis,  J McDonald S Pendlebury, J Selwood, S Gibson (G. Ablett jnr, N Dal Santo)
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (,J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: B Harvey, , P. Dangerfield,  A Treloar, D Beams, D Zorko  S Sidebottom,  A Sexton (L. Franklin,  D. Martin)

Should I do another upgrade in backs, upgrade Treloar to Cloke or just sit with only 6 trades. Suggestions welcome. (Could go Stevie J rather than Beams for an extra $60k cash) Happy to sit and wait for Carrots to bottom out to upgrade either Ellis, Darley or Spurr.
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Post by: charliesheen on June 18, 2012, 11:00:24 AM
Ya one fwd and one back upgrade.

So... 400k in bank right?

If you took Carrots in R14 whats the best fwd you can afford this round?

Also if you took Waters this round whats the best fwd you can afford this round?
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Post by: Ringo on June 18, 2012, 11:37:57 AM
There are a couple of things in play.

Depending on who I trade

Scenario one
Trading Morris to Waters leaves me $242500
Means the forward upgrade moving Ellis forward and MJ back to defence makes my forward max value $421,900
Only forwards in that value worth considering are Cloke, Dalhaus, Whitecross and Adams.
Leaving MJ Forward and upgrading Treloar I can get any forward under $510k which adds Bennell, Rioli, Robinson, Pav, Walker, Petrie and J Roo to the list.

Scenario 2
Morris to Carrots Round 14
Then virtually same options as above with $486k forward limit using Ellis and if upgrading Treloar $574,200 which also brings Stevie J, Nick Roo, (Goodes and Zaha back from injury) into play.

Thank you for your time and suggestions CS
Liking Morris to Carrots
Treloar to Stevie J and leaving MJ Forward.
at the moment.
 Still only one donut for Round 13 depending on Spurr,
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Post by: charliesheen on June 18, 2012, 11:45:32 AM
Definitely want MJ to end back up in back line.  Going to lose a lot of points if not.

Zorko is basically F7 quasi premium.
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Post by: charliesheen on June 18, 2012, 12:15:41 PM
Sorry one more thing.

How much cash is left over if you go Morris > Cloke?
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Post by: Ringo on June 18, 2012, 12:25:00 PM
If I Do Morris > Waters
Ellis > Cloke
I will have $15k left

If I just do Morris to Cloke this week I will have $297k for back upgrade.
may be worth waiting till Round 15 to do the Ellis/Carrots upgrade.  Carrots has a b/e 150 and Ellis 25 so possible increase/decrease to save some cash.

Have had another look CS and this is very speculative but if I go Morris to Stevie J now and then look at Ellis to Carrotts in Round 15 based on current prices I am 60k short so basically if Ellis increased 30k and Carrots dropped $30k could do the trade in Round 15,
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Post by: charliesheen on June 18, 2012, 12:33:16 PM
I would probably do something along lines of Walker/Cloke/Waters/Hurn permutations using Ellis & Morris.

Not sure how comfortable you are in using another downgrade in your trade situation, but that opens up more possibilities.

Cop Treloar on the chin.
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Post by: Ringo on June 20, 2012, 11:54:14 AM
With strong rumours that Couch will be named this week what do you these trades CS and others
McDonald To Couch - Reopens DPP as added security
Ellis to Waters
Morris to Beams
if Couch not named then Crozier. leaving 4 trades and $40k
(other option is Ellis to Heath Shaw and Morris to Johnson not quote enough cash for both Beams and Shaw)

Leaves a completed team of
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio M. Johnson, B Waters ,P Hanley, G Broughton, S Darley, (S.Shaw, L.Spurr)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, N Dal Santo, T. Rockliff, , M Priddis,  S Pendlebury, J Selwood, (S Gibson, Couch/Crozier)
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (,J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin,  D. Martin; B Harvey, , P. Dangerfield, D Beams, D Zorko  S Sidebottom,  (A Sexton A Treloar)

Not my ideal team but the best that I can do with all the injury carnage. (2/3 trades below where i wanted to be which is why I am obligated to keep Pendles). D7 is worry but with Darley and Shaw can get reasonable coverage and ihopefully Spurr gets games which is doubtfull to help.

Happy to sit on 4 trades but appreciate advice f you can see 3 more favourable trades.

In 5 very strong leagues,  just outside the 8 on % in 2 and 13th, one win out the 8 in another ( In 2 playing 2nd and joint 8th this week so aiming to not fall too far behind)
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Post by: charliesheen on June 20, 2012, 12:23:23 PM
I would make adjustments so you have enough money to go

Darley > Carrazzo in say ~2 more rounds.

Say Darley hits about 220k, you need another ~230K to make the upgrade without another downgrade.

Would consider

Ellis > Heppel/Enright (i think heppel will match enright at 50k less IMO)
Morris > Best forward you can afford so you can grab Carrots in a few rounds
Macca > Couch (makes sense opens MPP)

I hope this makes sense.
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Post by: Ringo on June 20, 2012, 12:35:05 PM
Thanks CS Makes sense will do the sums. Do not know whether you have the same issue as I do so easy to see improvements in other teams but difficult when looking at your own team.  Thanks for all the help.

If Couch not named would you still get him or do the safety and go Crozier at $12k dearer.
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Post by: charliesheen on June 20, 2012, 01:20:27 PM
50/50 coin toss.  Even if they both do play its basically half a donut anyway :)
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Post by: Ringo on June 20, 2012, 05:26:40 PM
Thinking Ellis to Heppell and Morris to Walker. (Like Crows draw when compared to Pies and too many Pies competing for points).

Holding 3rd trade because do not need to downgrade Mac if going to Couch.  Can let him fatten as well as he has relatively small b/e as well.
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Post by: charliesheen on June 20, 2012, 05:48:42 PM
See which rookies are named.  I would strongly consider getting someone like Goodes/Chapman at 550k if you can.  Goodes is awesome POD which is what your team needs.

IMO, don't over think these rookies too much they are all coin tosses.

Milera, Saad, Pfieffer, Sexton, Elliot, its anyone's guess how many games they will get.
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Post by: Ringo on June 21, 2012, 06:51:38 PM
This weeks trade after teams being named
Morris > Goodes
McDonald > Crozier
Ellis > Heppell

Leaving $204k and 4 trades,
and Team as follows

DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio M. Johnson, D Heppell ,P Hanley, G Broughton, S Darley, (S.Shaw, L.Spurr)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, N Dal Santo, T. Rockliff, , M Priddis,  S Pendlebury, J Selwood, (S Gibson,Crozier)
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (,J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin,  D. Martin; B Harvey, , P. Dangerfield, A Goodes, D Zorko  S Sidebottom,  (A Sexton A Treloar)
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Post by: charliesheen on June 21, 2012, 11:41:03 PM
ROK might make it easier to go

Darley > Carrots.

But I dunno, haven't quite done the maths in my head.
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Post by: Ringo on June 22, 2012, 08:05:14 AM
Thanks Cs for all the help.  May just sit and see what happens. On current  prices about $78k short of trade but with Darley having a negative B/e and Carrotts 150 plus may be ok to do in Round 15.
ROK is $53k cheaper so with Darleys price this week would virtually assure the trade. Just need to work out whether the 15/20 average points per game I will loose between Goodes and O'Keeffe will be adequately compensated by Carrots overall.
Have not been overly impressed with O'Keeffe this year.
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Post by: charliesheen on June 22, 2012, 11:33:53 AM
Yeah its a tough one, Goodes I think is better choice but may make it harder to get Carrots in single trade.

His averaging 107.2 last 5 rounds.  Was actually playing off HB last week I believe, pretty lucrative role. 

I think he should average about low 100's from here on out
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Post by: Ringo on June 25, 2012, 07:35:22 AM
Well the byes are over and I rose some 10k places during the byes to current ranking of 9941.

I originally wanted to get to top 10k being my third year in DC (finished 30k last year) but will now try and aim to top 5K and maintain position.

Trades this week
Morris to Goodes  :'( :'( (Will get better hopefully)
McDonald to Crozier
Ellis to Heppell

Not in a good position trade wise with only 4 but have $204k

Team as it stands and I will probably sit on it this week is due to trade situation.

DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio M. Johnson, D Heppell ,P Hanley, G Broughton, S Darley, (S.Shaw, L.Spurr)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, N Dal Santo, T. Rockliff, , M Priddis,  S Pendlebury, J Selwood, (S Gibson,Crozier)
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (,J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin,  D. Martin; B Harvey, , P. Dangerfield, A Goodes, D Zorko  S Sidebottom,  (A Sexton A Treloar)

If Pendles is still out as expected I will rotate Zorko to mids and use Treloar as F7.
Will probably have to upgrade to a D7 down the track as I think rotating Darley, Shaw or Spurr may be costly. Gee I hate the injuries this year.
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Post by: felsty on June 25, 2012, 10:07:11 AM
carrazzo after next week?
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Post by: Ringo on June 25, 2012, 10:25:50 AM
Hoping he stuffs it up and gets a further decrease the week after but he will be my last upgrade but like you real short on trades. Bit peeved being talked out of Grima though but thats life.
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Post by: felsty on June 25, 2012, 10:52:27 AM
yeah same he would have been good to snaffle up last week.. what to do about giles too :S
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Post by: Ringo on June 25, 2012, 01:28:35 PM
Will probably keep Giles because his scores still are not that bad (apart from this week coming back from injury) and if I still have trades then trade but a luxury trade for me at this stage. Watch this week for improvement,
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Post by: felsty on June 25, 2012, 02:28:37 PM
i hope so as malceski and him are the two blights on my team!
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Post by: tor01doc on June 25, 2012, 06:40:05 PM
i hope so as malceski and him are the two blights on my team!

Imagine 2 (Malcolm) 'blights' on your team!
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Post by: Ringo on June 28, 2012, 10:13:17 AM
Just can not decode on one of three options

Team as it stands for this week with 4 trades and $204k

DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio M. Johnson, D Heppell ,P Hanley, G Broughton, S Darley, (S.Shaw, L.Spurr)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, N Dal Santo, T. Rockliff, , M Priddis, A Treloar , J Selwood, (S Gibson,S Pendlebury)
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (,J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin,  D. Martin; B Harvey, , P. Dangerfield, A Goodes, D Zorko  S Sidebottom,  (A Sexton, H Crozier )
 Trying to decide whether to finish def by
a) Trade Shaw to Suckling this week
b) Waiting a week or 2 for Carazzo or Fisher to bottom out
or
c) sit and rotate Shaw, Darley and Spurr through D7 until finals.

Favouring c but Suckling and Carrots bit hard to ignore.

Any advice welcome.  Team not as strong as I hoped but due to the caranage with injuries is the best I can do but not alone in this. 2 trades down on where I wanted to be as a result.

For information siting 3rd 4th, 8th, 10th and 11th in leagues. I game out of 8 in last 2 but % OK. Final League (11th) is very competitive and ranked in Top 20 overall
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Post by: jamesalex on June 28, 2012, 10:49:35 AM
Assuming Shaw is out, i would go for option a or b. I think you need to get rid of him or Spurr.

If you play reasonably easy opoonents in the next 2 weeks in your most important league/leagues, wait for Carrots or Fisher. If you have some good opponents then i would be more inclined to go for Suckling.

Are you going for overall?
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Post by: Slammer on June 28, 2012, 04:32:34 PM
Hey Ringo,

I would hold your trades mate. I reckon Carazzo is the best option and by waiting a week or two you will also
get to have a look at any other injuries , players etc. that may occur this week.
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Post by: Ringo on June 28, 2012, 05:05:27 PM
Assuming Shaw is out, i would go for option a or b. I think you need to get rid of him or Spurr.

If you play reasonably easy opoonents in the next 2 weeks in your most important league/leagues, wait for Carrots or Fisher. If you have some good opponents then i would be more inclined to go for Suckling.

Are you going for overall?
Not going for overall to answer your question.  In fact a lot of you newbies are probably ranked higher than I am.

As a I said Slammer leaning towards Option 3.
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Post by: Legen...DARY on June 29, 2012, 10:51:42 AM
Just can not decode on one of three options

Team as it stands for this week with 4 trades and $204k

DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio M. Johnson, D Heppell ,P Hanley, G Broughton, S Darley, (S.Shaw, L.Spurr)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, N Dal Santo, T. Rockliff, , M Priddis, A Treloar , J Selwood, (S Gibson,S Pendlebury)
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (,J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin,  D. Martin; B Harvey, , P. Dangerfield, A Goodes, D Zorko  S Sidebottom,  (A Sexton, H Crozier )
 Trying to decide whether to finish def by
a) Trade Shaw to Suckling this week
b) Waiting a week or 2 for Carazzo or Fisher to bottom out
or
c) sit and rotate Shaw, Darley and Spurr through D7 until finals.

Favouring c but Suckling and Carrots bit hard to ignore.

Any advice welcome.  Team not as strong as I hoped but due to the caranage with injuries is the best I can do but not alone in this. 2 trades down on where I wanted to be as a result.

For information siting 3rd 4th, 8th, 10th and 11th in leagues. I game out of 8 in last 2 but % OK. Final League (11th) is very competitive and ranked in Top 20 overall

Hey Ringo

I would maybe look to the following options:

Spurr --> Hibberd
Take out hibberd's 15 when he went down with a hammy and he's avergaing 89. Has a good role for supercoach. however BE is high @ 147 and will come down in price more.

Spurr --> Houli
I brought in Houli this week for Malceski. Personally I think he's gonna be in for a big 2nd half of the year. Big risk though. However sometimes with risk comes reward.

Spurr --> Howard
Howards last 2 scores have been high 80's after coming back from R1 injury. Seem to push into the midfield and looks pretty solid. Again, big risk, however could pay off. This would also leave you with some $95k.

I also only have 3 trades left which I am keeping for finals NO MATTER WHAT.

Good luck for the rest of the year. Your team is pretty solid in other lines.
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Post by: Legen...DARY on June 29, 2012, 10:56:21 AM
PS - I think you need to keep Shaw for the rest of the year as bench cover. Darley will be in and out of the side and Spurr probably wont play another game. I also got sucked into Spurr but offloaded him to Heppell a few weeks ago.
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Post by: Ringo on June 29, 2012, 12:29:27 PM
PS - I think you need to keep Shaw for the rest of the year as bench cover. Darley will be in and out of the side and Spurr probably wont play another game. I also got sucked into Spurr but offloaded him to Heppell a few weeks ago.
The story of supercoach this year,  Started with Paine and then traded him to Spurr and have not been able to getout due to other issues. Like the Spurr . Hibberd suggestion and will look at.

Just a bit wary of Howard but may have another look this week as his last 2 scores have been his highest in 9 games.  Was used as sub a couple of times last year and not sure whether that will continue.
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Post by: Legen...DARY on June 29, 2012, 12:53:25 PM
Too right Ringo! and to rub salt in the wounds... Paine has been named to play this week!!!

Spurr might be a chance this week if Broughton is a late withdrawal due to concussion.

Hibberd or Houli probably the safest options IMO.

I would have brought Hibberd into my team this week but I was about $10k short.

Hopefully Houli pays off!!!
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Post by: charliesheen on June 29, 2012, 01:04:25 PM
I would just take Suckling or Rance now.

Suckling has GCFC in R21, so could be rested.  If he isn't rested you can guarantee yourself a 100 score.

Rance should score decent with Dylan Grimes back.  Has no chance of being rested.
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Post by: Ringo on June 29, 2012, 02:18:53 PM
Thanks CS will probably take Rance and just see who offers the best upgrade but leaning towards Darley due to GCS resting polocy..
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Post by: Ringo on July 09, 2012, 05:54:08 PM
Just thought I would update
Round 15 score 2277 Overall Ranking 9755
3 trades left.
Team:
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio M. Johnson, D Heppell ,P Hanley, G Broughton, A. Rance, (S.Shaw, L.Spurr)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, N Dal Santo, T. Rockliff,  M Priddis, J Selwood, S Gibson,(S Pendlebury; H Crozier)
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, B Harvey, P. Dangerfield, A Goodes, D Zorko  S Sidebottom, A Treloar(A Sexton, D. Martin)

With 3 trades basically sitting. Is this the right move at this stage. 
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Post by: colmullet on July 09, 2012, 06:01:01 PM
yeah i would probably sit, there's no glaring problems or injuries you have to fix.....i have 3 trades left aswell but have Zaha and Goodes is looking mighty tempting....but 2 trades seems awfully risky to
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Post by: charliesheen on July 09, 2012, 06:07:32 PM
Hanley is making me jelly.
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Post by: Ringo on July 09, 2012, 06:46:51 PM
Have had Hanley since Round 1 and finally repaying the faith.
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Post by: charliesheen on July 09, 2012, 07:05:19 PM
Thats the 2nd time you nailed someone from BL.  Though I did convince you away from Redden.

Rocky has been a bit disappointing, 2013 probably be his year when everyone jumps off :D
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Post by: Ringo on July 09, 2012, 07:38:39 PM
Thats the 2nd time you nailed someone from BL.  Though I did convince you away from Redden.

Rocky has been a bit disappointing, 2013 probably be his year when everyone jumps off :D
and we all jumped on Zorko. With Black now a week to week proposition you are correct that Rocky may be value next year just so long as Voss does not play him up forward a lot of the time as we have seen this year.
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Post by: Ringo on July 20, 2012, 05:52:31 AM
Scored 2189 last week with 2 donuts. Ranked 10k overall.

Siting 13th, 4th, 9th, 5th, 8th in leagues. (All very competive leagues with all ranked inside the top 300 and 1 in top 20). Just want to finish as best I can in all leagues and beat last years ranking which was 15k.
This is the team I have had for the last 2 weeks with 2 trades and $73k cash remaining

Team:
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio M. Johnson, D Heppell ,P Hanley, G Broughton, A. Rance, (S.Shaw, L.Spurr)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, N Dal Santo, T. Rockliff,  M Priddis, J Selwood, S Pendlebury; ( H Crozier, S Gibson)
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, B Harvey, P. Dangerfield, A Goodes, D Zorko  S Sidebottom, D. Martin (A Treloar;A Sexton)

Will probably continue sitting to finals as I think a reasonable team if I make it. 4th and 9th (on percentage) in the leagues that matter to me. Trying to resist temptation to upgrade Giles now.
As I see it 2 final 2 upgrades need to be rucks and defence but will hold out in case of injuries.

Due to injuries etc which have flowered us all this year Final Team not what I desired.

With Rocky playing a fair bit forward this year hoping he gets a Mid/Forward DPP next year and all will jump on.
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Post by: Ringo on August 03, 2012, 05:12:23 PM
With a score of 2263 and 2 donuts last week dropped to 12k.

League positions: 6,6,8 % only (Teams 7 to 13 all on 32 points) 9 (outside 8 on %) and 13th

With Broughton out for rest of season time to use a trade doing Broughton to Harbrow as a POD. leaving Team as

DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio M. Johnson, D Heppell ,P Hanley, J Harbrow, A. Rance, (S.Shaw, L.Spurr)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, N Dal Santo, T. Rockliff,  M Priddis, J Selwood, S Pendlebury; ( H Crozier, S Gibson)
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, B Harvey, P. Dangerfield, A Goodes, D Zorko  S Sidebottom, D. Martin (A Treloar;T Couch)

Leaves one trade do I burn it on Franklin to Beams/Pavlich or sit on it.  Think I will sit.
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Post by: tbagrocks on August 03, 2012, 05:18:37 PM
Its a harsh one, some got two doughys some got 2700+! don't be to hard on yer self mate! good luck this week
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Post by: tor01doc on August 03, 2012, 05:48:33 PM
Got to sit this week.

By the way, can you find out your final ranking from last year somehow if you've forgotten it?
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Post by: MC on August 06, 2012, 11:30:45 PM
Got to sit this week.

By the way, can you find out your final ranking from last year somehow if you've forgotten it?

Tell me what your team name was and I can get it for you.
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Post by: Ringo on August 10, 2012, 02:32:04 PM
Down to the pointy end of the season.

Elimination finals in most of my leagues.

Current Team
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio M. Johnson, D Heppell ,P Hanley, G Broughton, A. Rance, (S.Shaw, L.Spurr)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, N Dal Santo, T. Rockliff,  M Priddis, J Selwood, S Pendlebury; ( H Crozier, S Gibson)
RUC: S Jacobs, J. Giles (J Reddan, O Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, B Harvey, P. Dangerfield, A Goodes, D Zorko  S Sidebottom, D. Martin (A Treloar;T Couch)

2 trades left and may as well use both:
Thinking 3 options:
1. Martin to Fyfe and Broughton to Grimes Keeping Buddy to come back in
2. Buddy to Beams and Broughton to Grimes
3. Buddy to Fyfe and Broughton to Waters/Scotland

Tending to favour Option 2 thoughts.
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Post by: tor01doc on August 10, 2012, 02:36:40 PM
I tend to agree.

Have to maximise points THIS week or there is no next week - and then what will you do?

Beams and whoever else you can afford down back. Scotland or Carrazzo? I guess you're short on cash though hey?

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Post by: Ringo on August 10, 2012, 02:44:08 PM
Only 74k so can only afford back up to $442k. Tossed up between hurn and Grimes and selected Grimes
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Post by: tbagrocks on August 10, 2012, 06:56:18 PM
Grimeys on fire and great selection!