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Title: Jack Ziebell
Post by: Luigi197 on April 16, 2012, 01:11:25 PM
How gain would you be to trade him in?

132 points against Geelong, priced at 428k, could be a gem this year.
I know he was hyped pre-season, but lost interest due to his absence in round 1 and 2.

Wait another game?
Get him?
First time lucky score from him?
Title: Re: Jack Ziebell
Post by: ben_020285 on April 16, 2012, 01:14:07 PM
Definitely wait. I think he may be a bit of a rollercoaster. Won't be one of the top 12 highest averaging mids by season's end anyway.
Title: Re: Jack Ziebell
Post by: Luigi197 on April 16, 2012, 01:24:34 PM
Definitely wait. I think he may be a bit of a rollercoaster. Won't be one of the top 12 highest averaging mids by season's end anyway.

Would you trade our Martin for him? OR is that too risky?
Title: Re: Jack Ziebell
Post by: ben_020285 on April 16, 2012, 01:26:21 PM
I wouldn't. Martin will come good but it will be later in the season once Richmond's draw becomes easy. Personally I wouldn't have started with him but if you've got him now then I reckon you should keep him.
Title: Re: Jack Ziebell
Post by: Mat0369 on April 16, 2012, 01:37:57 PM
If he was not suspended I would have started the season with him. He busted out some huge scores in the second half of last season. If you want to get rid of Martin for him do it this week as Martin will likely drop in price. If you are thinking of trading Fyfe and want some cash I would wait a week to see how he goes. I can see him averaging around 110-115 at the end of the season. He has the ability to bust out a 150+ score but also have a few scores around 70.
Title: Re: Jack Ziebell
Post by: Wolf67 on April 16, 2012, 01:39:20 PM
I had ziebell in my pre season plans as a break out contender.  I wasn't game enough to have him in from the start because of him missing R1 and 2, so i ultmately went for a safer option. 

I was at the game and saw him yesterday and he looked very good.  A goal kicking mid fielder is gold in SC, so he could be very good this year.  I will most likely trade him in at the end of next week on the bubble.

First pre season he has ever done after 2 broken legs and averaged 120 in the past 6 weeks of last year, so now that he has a good fitness base, he looks set for a good season.
Title: Re: Jack Ziebell
Post by: hannebery2rohan on April 16, 2012, 02:44:52 PM
if he's still averaging around 120 around when the byes come about, he will definitely make his way into a lot of teams.

but i wouldn't trade him in on the back of a great 1st game for the season. unless you are trading out fyfe for him luigi?
Title: Re: Jack Ziebell
Post by: Luigi197 on April 16, 2012, 02:55:02 PM
Thanks for the updates, theories, facts and comments guys.

I currently have 2 dpp links with my centers and fwds; meanwhile my 3 midfield premiums are travelling well (Ablett, Boyd and Joel Selwood), but then my fwds are letting me down (Franklin, Sidebottom, Dangerfield, Pavlich and Martin).
Considering trading out Martin....

thoughts?
Title: Re: Jack Ziebell
Post by: hannebery2rohan on April 16, 2012, 03:02:43 PM
definitely not if it's for martin, this week anyway. although i could understand if ziebell puts in another 120+ game this weekend and martin puts in another below-par shift that it should be considered strongly next week.
Title: Re: Jack Ziebell
Post by: Luigi197 on April 16, 2012, 03:07:41 PM
So you are pretty much saying that there is a bit too much risk involved in trading him in this week; although the chances are in favour of Martin having another spudathon, and Ziebell gettting a ton...
I understand that.

So it would depend how gain i am to to the trade this week, instead of next week.

I will have a think about it.

Thanks! :)
Title: Re: Jack Ziebell
Post by: coolfugitiv0 on April 16, 2012, 03:11:24 PM
Thanks for the updates, theories, facts and comments guys.

I currently have 2 dpp links with my centers and fwds; meanwhile my 3 midfield premiums are travelling well (Ablett, Boyd and Joel Selwood), but then my fwds are letting me down (Franklin, Sidebottom, Dangerfield, Pavlich and Martin).
Considering trading out Martin....

thoughts?

If you started with Martin, keep him.
He'll come good and you'll end up trading him back in.

You're forwards honestly look fine to me.

If you can't afford to upgrade a rookie to JZ, give him a miss.
Title: Re: Jack Ziebell
Post by: hannebery2rohan on April 16, 2012, 03:16:40 PM
yeah, you never know. the 130 he scored against geelong might have been a 1 off and he might end up only getting 70-80 against sydney. martin will come good, although i could understand if people were looking to jump ship. i mean, plenty already have with broughton.
Title: Re: Jack Ziebell
Post by: Luigi197 on April 16, 2012, 03:17:06 PM
However, I have too many underperformers in my fwds.
I am saved by my wonderful midfielders; and if Martin to JZ means more consistency AND cash i will consider it.
However JZ scored a ton against Geelong. If Martin can do the same this week, i'll keep him.
Title: Re: Jack Ziebell
Post by: Luigi197 on April 16, 2012, 03:19:09 PM
And yes, I may end up trading him back in later, if i trade him out, but that would only be if he goes down considerable in price, and i can do something like Milera to Marting if i have the cash.

If you think about, if JZ can perform this week again, i see no reason to do the trade simply to get more points for my team early on in the season.
Title: Re: Jack Ziebell
Post by: crabapples on April 16, 2012, 03:44:46 PM
just my oppinion. i have martin am dissapointed but will be keeping him, but this week him and his tiger mates are going to get SMASHED!!!!! absolutely cream pied in the face!! BUKAKE!!!! last time North beat geelong was round 5 2007 now i know its a differant team now but the following week this happened...

2007   R6   Richmond   1.1   2.7   5.9   9.11   (65)   lost to   Geelong   10.2   20.6   29.9   35.12   (222)

i dont know if anyone saw richmond play on the weekend allthough they won by 10 goals or whatever it was they were pretty poor, and im tipping another pumping from the cats this week...

Now as for Ziebel if his legs stay together properly he will be right up there by the end of the year, his average is seriousley affected by the slow start he had to last year. i think he deserves a bit more respect than he's getting with comments saying that his score on the weekend were a fluke LOL!!!!!... maybe you guys should do a bit more research into this guy and see what he's been through over the course of his career so far and you will see what he's capable of.
Title: Re: Jack Ziebell
Post by: Wolf67 on April 16, 2012, 04:02:01 PM
just my oppinion. i have martin am dissapointed but will be keeping him, but this week him and his tiger mates are going to get SMASHED!!!!! absolutely cream pied in the face!! BUKAKE!!!! last time North beat geelong was round 5 2007 now i know its a differant team now but the following week this happened...

2007   R6   Richmond   1.1   2.7   5.9   9.11   (65)   lost to   Geelong   10.2   20.6   29.9   35.12   (222)

i dont know if anyone saw richmond play on the weekend allthough they won by 10 goals or whatever it was they were pretty poor, and im tipping another pumping from the cats this week...

Now as for Ziebel if his legs stay together properly he will be right up there by the end of the year, his average is seriousley affected by the slow start he had to last year. i think he deserves a bit more respect than he's getting with comments saying that his score on the weekend were a fluke LOL!!!!!... maybe you guys should do a bit more research into this guy and see what he's been through over the course of his career so far and you will see what he's capable of.
+1

Well said.  Ziebell's a top 10 draft pick who has had 2 broken legs, therefore he has never done a proper pre season.  I was sitting behind him on level 2 when he took the grab, ignored all leads and slotted the goal from 50m on the boundary.  He's a quality player, and due to a slow start to last year, hes available at $428k. 

I will look to bring Ziebell in either this week or next week. 

Re Dusty, I traded him out for tommy hawkins last week, and i will look at dusty in the coming weeks at a much cheaper price than he started at.  with ricmonds tough draw, maybe low $400's
Title: Re: Jack Ziebell
Post by: PICCOLLO on April 16, 2012, 08:46:45 PM
Trades are like gold.  If you get ziebell for martin, only to get martin back in for 70k less, im not sure i see the point.  Ziebell is a gun and will avg around 100 ppg but given mid guns avg 115+ is he worth it for a few easy points now? 
Title: Re: Jack Ziebell
Post by: Wes Mantooth on April 17, 2012, 12:15:35 AM
just my oppinion. i have martin am dissapointed but will be keeping him, but this week him and his tiger mates are going to get SMASHED!!!!! absolutely cream pied in the face!! BUKAKE!!!! last time North beat geelong was round 5 2007 now i know its a differant team now but the following week this happened...

2007   R6   Richmond   1.1   2.7   5.9   9.11   (65)   lost to   Geelong   10.2   20.6   29.9   35.12   (222)

i dont know if anyone saw richmond play on the weekend allthough they won by 10 goals or whatever it was they were pretty poor, and im tipping another pumping from the cats this week...

Now as for Ziebel if his legs stay together properly he will be right up there by the end of the year, his average is seriousley affected by the slow start he had to last year. i think he deserves a bit more respect than he's getting with comments saying that his score on the weekend were a fluke LOL!!!!!... maybe you guys should do a bit more research into this guy and see what he's been through over the course of his career so far and you will see what he's capable of.

Definitely on my radar, goal kicking/tackling machine... but for who, thats the question...
Title: Re: Jack Ziebell
Post by: quinny88 on April 17, 2012, 01:23:32 AM
just my oppinion. i have martin am dissapointed but will be keeping him, but this week him and his tiger mates are going to get SMASHED!!!!! absolutely cream pied in the face!! BUKAKE!!!! last time North beat geelong was round 5 2007 now i know its a differant team now but the following week this happened...

2007   R6   Richmond   1.1   2.7   5.9   9.11   (65)   lost to   Geelong   10.2   20.6   29.9   35.12   (222)

i dont know if anyone saw richmond play on the weekend allthough they won by 10 goals or whatever it was they were pretty poor, and im tipping another pumping from the cats this week...

Now as for Ziebel if his legs stay together properly he will be right up there by the end of the year, his average is seriousley affected by the slow start he had to last year. i think he deserves a bit more respect than he's getting with comments saying that his score on the weekend were a fluke LOL!!!!!... maybe you guys should do a bit more research into this guy and see what he's been through over the course of his career so far and you will see what he's capable of.

Pretty irrelevant point to bring up considering richmonds team would have about 5 players from that game playing this week?
Geelong arent exactly looking deadly this season, old and tired more like it. Dont suprised if richmond give them a good run for there money.. they belted the cats down there a few weeks ago all be it being nab cup and the cats missing some big names bit still will be in the back of both of their minds
Title: Re: Jack Ziebell
Post by: hannebery2rohan on April 17, 2012, 03:16:34 AM
might be worth keeping in mind that ziebell kicked 4 goals. he's not going to get that every week.
Title: Re: Jack Ziebell
Post by: crabapples on April 17, 2012, 08:00:38 AM


Pretty irrelevant point to bring up considering richmonds team would have about 5 players from that game playing this week?
Geelong arent exactly looking deadly this season, old and tired more like it. Dont suprised if richmond give them a good run for there money.. they belted the cats down there a few weeks ago all be it being nab cup and the cats missing some big names bit still will be in the back of both of their minds
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Ok maybe an irrelavent point about a score 5 years ago. And i did say i knew they were differant teams.

Heres the thing Geelong wernt that bad North were just better and out classed them mainly through the middle the fact is
JPod 5 goals
Tomahawk 4 Goals

Selwood 0 goals
Johnson 0 goals
Bartel 0 goals
Chapman 0 goals

Kelly and corey 0 goals

They lost mackie early.

They only lost by 17 points i just dont see Richmond being able to take it up to them this week.



Title: Re: Jack Ziebell
Post by: Luigi197 on April 17, 2012, 04:33:12 PM
Definitely on my radar, goal kicking/tackling machine... but for who, thats the question...

Martin?
Pavlich?