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Title: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on April 06, 2014, 08:13:19 PM
Thought we were due for one of these threads.

Am curious to what MTTY, Big Mac and my other fellow sufferers have to say about what has gone down so far this year. I myself have employed the numb tactic to cope. I knew we were headed this way after St Kilda, so I did my grieving then. I find myself having a minimal amount of care these days, as the 8 years has taken its toll.

It may be Round 3 and there is 19 more games to be played, but I'd be a fool to think it will change mid-season. Positive stuff just seems to avoid melbourne. But I guess Roos has the remainder of this year, and another year or 2 to rub off on the players.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mat0369 on April 06, 2014, 08:49:46 PM
The two games I have watched (all of today's and about half of the Saints), there are two things that stand out with Melbourne. Poor disposal and lack of a marking target up forward. Considering they struggled to win the hardball last season other then Jones and Viney, the additions of Tyson, Vince, Cross and Michie have been good ones (although Michie has been dropped).

They have a cornerstone to build around in Hogan who should hopefully develop into an excellent forward target and it will be good to see how he goes once he gets on the park. I think in the next draft/FA they need to take the best users of the ball available and a couple of guys that can break the lines.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on April 06, 2014, 09:06:36 PM
I'll be honest, if 2 of Dawes, Hogan or Clark were in the side for the first 3 games, Melbourne would be 2-1 and everybody would be praising Roos for being a savior coach.

The reality is though, they went 0-3 and looks like they will struggle to have a competitive forward line for half a year.

Much better side than last year though, as was just said Vince, Tyson and Cross all look really strong so far.

Need to do what Richmond did to get out of their slump, cutting away the dozen odd players getting semi-regular games who are just below AFL standard.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on April 06, 2014, 09:24:30 PM
Basically stopped paying attention after that dismal effort against the Eagles.

There are actually only a few players who are at a standard to be on an AFL list, whether that be due to poor development, lack of skills, lack of talent or lack of the mental side of things.

Mitch Clark
Mitch Clisby
Daniel Cross
Chris Dawes
Lynden Dunn
James Frawley
Colin Garland
Max Gawn
Alexis Georgiou
Jack Grimes
Jesse Hogan
Jeremy Howe
Nathan Jones
Dean Kent
Tom McDonald
Viv Michie
Aidan Riley
Jimmy Toumpas
Jack Trengove
Dom Tyson
Bernie Vince
Jack Vinery
Jack Watts

*Excludes this years draftees and the rookie list (bar Georgiou)

That gives us 23 players who have the very minimal ability (while some have closer to A-Grade) to play at AFL level.

From this, the only players who would be able to be a part of most of the leagues best 22's are:

Mitch Clark
Daniel Cross
Chris Dawes
Lynden Dunn (Wouldn't have thought so based on previous years, but he is now at that level)
James Frawley
Colin Garland
Jesse Hogan
Jeremy Howe
Nathan Jones
Dom Tyson
Bernie Vince
Jack Viney

That's only 12 players on our list, who should be playing AFL footy and would be capable of doing so at other clubs. Hence, it is very much like playing with 12 men a game (and our scores reflect that). From that list 4 are currently injured, which makes things a whole lot worse.

Ratings these 12 players, on a grading scale, of where they would rank as players in most teams:

Elite - A (Grade) - B - C

Mitch Clark - A
Daniel Cross - B
Chris Dawes - C
Lynden Dunn - C
James Frawley - B
Colin Garland - B
Jesse Hogan - C (For now)
Jeremy Howe - C
Nathan Jones - A
Dom Tyson - B
Bernie Vince - B
Jack Viney - B

The point in all this is that we have a list that is going nowhere. We won't be seeing any good results this year, even with the inclusion of our forwards. I now know that and have accepted that. Am I willing to wait for Roos to go through another two trading periods- get rid of the dead wood and pick up players like the Tyson's, Vince and Michie's? I'm not sure I am... After all these years I don't think i'm up for another rebuild.

So what does this mean? I seriously am beginning to worry that, if other supporters feel similar, the worst could happen. One of these three things could take place:

1. Merge
2. Cease to exist, while another team comes into the competition
3. Relocation

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ziplock on April 06, 2014, 09:30:28 PM
I'll be honest, if 2 of Dawes, Hogan or Clark were in the side for the first 3 games, Melbourne would be 2-1 and everybody would be praising Roos for being a savior coach.

The reality is though, they went 0-3 and looks like they will struggle to have a competitive forward line for half a year.

Much better side than last year though, as was just said Vince, Tyson and Cross all look really strong so far.

Need to do what Richmond did to get out of their slump, cutting away the dozen odd players getting semi-regular games who are just below AFL standard.

hey, round 1 the saints were missing montagna and hayes, and the giants were missing davis, mohr, palmer, shiel and whitfield (although, mohr/ davis are the biggest losses for us).

Both the saints and the giants were missing key structural components in our games against melbourne as well- if both teams had been fielding a best 22, I think the results for the melbourne games would have been pretty similar.

I would cut Hogan off that list- I think he'd play games for every team in the comp, but best 22 for most teams is a big call for a guy who hasn't made a senior appearance.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on April 06, 2014, 09:41:01 PM
I'll be honest, if 2 of Dawes, Hogan or Clark were in the side for the first 3 games, Melbourne would be 2-1 and everybody would be praising Roos for being a savior coach.

The reality is though, they went 0-3 and looks like they will struggle to have a competitive forward line for half a year.

Much better side than last year though, as was just said Vince, Tyson and Cross all look really strong so far.

Need to do what Richmond did to get out of their slump, cutting away the dozen odd players getting semi-regular games who are just below AFL standard.

hey, round 1 the saints were missing montagna and hayes, and the giants were missing davis, mohr, palmer, shiel and whitfield (although, mohr/ davis are the biggest losses for us).

Both the saints and the giants were missing key structural components in our games against melbourne as well- if both teams had been fielding a best 22, I think the results for the melbourne games would have been pretty similar.

I would cut Hogan off that list- I think he'd play games for every team in the comp, but best 22 for most teams is a big call for a guy who hasn't made a senior appearance.

I'll just agree to disagree, I think the midfield Melbourne was playing was strong enough to beat both sides on their good day, sides are always going to have best 22 injuries just the Demons have the main 3 structural components injured which is unlucky.

I'll admit I don't know a lot about Hogan and I'm only going off the hype that he was roughly about as good as Boyd, which is twice as good as what they're fielding now
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on April 06, 2014, 10:15:53 PM
I really think Melbourne's biggest problem is just not having a forward line.

They've got three good forwards in Clark, Dawes and Hogan.

All three are injured and one's on 'personal leave'... The midfield's been pretty decent and guys like Frawley, Dunn and Georgiou aren't playing badly.

They really need at least one Hogan, Dawes or Clark back at the very least.

I do feel for Melbourne, it's not pretty to watch as a football fan.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ziplock on April 06, 2014, 10:21:30 PM
I'll be honest, if 2 of Dawes, Hogan or Clark were in the side for the first 3 games, Melbourne would be 2-1 and everybody would be praising Roos for being a savior coach.

The reality is though, they went 0-3 and looks like they will struggle to have a competitive forward line for half a year.

Much better side than last year though, as was just said Vince, Tyson and Cross all look really strong so far.

Need to do what Richmond did to get out of their slump, cutting away the dozen odd players getting semi-regular games who are just below AFL standard.

hey, round 1 the saints were missing montagna and hayes, and the giants were missing davis, mohr, palmer, shiel and whitfield (although, mohr/ davis are the biggest losses for us).

Both the saints and the giants were missing key structural components in our games against melbourne as well- if both teams had been fielding a best 22, I think the results for the melbourne games would have been pretty similar.

I would cut Hogan off that list- I think he'd play games for every team in the comp, but best 22 for most teams is a big call for a guy who hasn't made a senior appearance.

I'll just agree to disagree, I think the midfield Melbourne was playing was strong enough to beat both sides on their good day, sides are always going to have best 22 injuries just the Demons have the main 3 structural components injured which is unlucky.

I'll admit I don't know a lot about Hogan and I'm only going off the hype that he was roughly about as good as Boyd, which is twice as good as what they're fielding now
Maybe we're just going to disagree on this point, but  the giants were missing our two best key defenders, and the dees were missing their best key forwards... that about evens it out in my book.

As for the midfield-well, today at least we had 61 clearances to 36, more disposals, contested possessions, 115 tackles to 70, the giants dominated basically every facet of the game.

Honestly, it was pretty fortunate for the dees that we were basically playing in a swimming pool today- in better conditions it could have ended up being a blow out, but the constant deluge keep the scores down.

I mean, we won by 34 points, when we ran over them in the 4th... but 59 inside 50s to 39, 29 scoring shots to 11, it could have gotten ugly.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on April 07, 2014, 01:36:32 AM
draft a forward or trade for one?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on April 07, 2014, 08:46:03 AM
I feel exactly the same MTTY. I almost typed up the players that I thought melbourne must trade/delist, but thought I'd get ridiculed.

I unfortunately think my once favourite players in Grimes and Trengove should be traded. I can't defend them anymore, they have poor disposal, and Trengove attempting a sprint is embarrassing. I think neither, especially Trengove, will not make it as a player with the Dees.

The only way to break this losing mentality, and to get rid of the scars on these players, is to get rid of them. It is the only way to start afresh. The following players should be delisted/traded:

Bail, Rohan
Barry, Dom
Blease, Sam
Byrnes, Shannon
Evans, Michael
Grimes, Jack
Jamar, Mark
Jetta, Neville (R)
Jones, Matt
McKenzie, Jordie
Nicholson, Daniel
Pedersen, Cameron
Spencer, Jake
Strauss, James
Tapscott, Luke
Terlich, Dean
Trengove, Jack

All these players have either shown a huge incompetency in skill, and/or is a list filler, and/or have been at the club too long and shown nothing.

That sir is 17 players. The remainder being comprised of debutants (and some second years), good players, and Jack Watts (I still haven't lost my defence for him). And Jimmy Toumpas, who I'm told by everyone I meet he has potential I am yet to see.

Clark, Mitchell
Clisby, Mitchell
Cross, Daniel
Dawes, Chris
Dunn, Lynden
Fitzpatrick, Jack
Frawley, James
Garland, Colin
Gawn, Max
Georgiou, Alexis (R)
Harmes, James (R)
Hogan, Jesse
Howe, Jeremy
Hunt, Jayden
Jones, Nathan
Kennedy-Harris, Jay
Kent, Dean
King, Max (R)
McDonald, Tom
Michie, Viv
Riley, Aidan
Salem, Christian
Toumpas, Jimmy
Tyson, Dom
Vince, Bernie
Viney, Jack
Watts, Jack

Clark at this stage looks like he may retire altogether, and Frawley will of course go to someone like Hawthorn, as I am sure he is rightly sick of Melbourne. Why would he turn down a chance of winning more than 6 games a season? Hell, a chance at a premiership!

What that leaves, is a mere 8 players that have been exposed to 2 or more seasons of hell. Imagine the mindset and freshness the other 37 would bring!

All the while this 3rd, 4th? I'm not sure anymore. All the while this rebuild is happening, Melbourne cops more and more flak, and the supporters, even the loyal ones, can't bare it anymore and start (rightfully) deserting the club. The membership tally struggles to stay around the 20k mark, and that's when the merger talks, or termination talks begin.



In the season to date, I agree the lack of forward structure is obviously hurting melbourne. But lets have a look at the other stats shall we? Melbourne are losing them! Such as the ones Zip points out. We lost the contested possession count against St Kilda for christs sake, without Montagna, Steven, Hayes and Dal Santo, only to get beaten by flowering debutants!!!

I'm nearly gone. No one should be subjected to supporting a club like the Melbourne Demons.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on April 07, 2014, 09:07:20 AM
I'm nearly gone. No one should be subjected to supporting a club like the Melbourne Demons.
I feel this is where I advertise my club as the one to support.  :P

Plenty more room for another Richmond fan.  ;)



But yeah, I'm really praying that it doesn't get any worse for Dees fans before it gets better...  :(
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on April 07, 2014, 01:20:51 PM
I'm nearly gone. No one should be subjected to supporting a club like the Melbourne Demons.
I feel this is where I advertise my club as the one to support.  :P

Plenty more room for another Richmond fan.  ;)



But yeah, I'm really praying that it doesn't get any worse for Dees fans before it gets better...  :(

don't go to Tigers anyone but them
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on April 07, 2014, 02:05:19 PM
It's Melbourne or no one unfortunately.  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Toga on April 07, 2014, 02:13:48 PM
Hey guys, heads up. I've dealt with being a Tigers fan my whole life which has been a bloody hard road, as everywhere I have lived in my life so far has been in an area of Australia where there are little or no Tigers supporters around me, while the local teams have been successful (Brisbane, Adelaide, and NSW for a short time). I know how hard it is to watch your team be labelled as a basket case, and to be subject to watching them play like a basket case week in week out.. It's not fun.

But I urge you to stick by your team, it isn't pretty but there's nothing better than a loyal fan in my opinion, shows strength of character to be able to stick by your team through tough times.

That being said, I agree with others in this thread so far, having a competent key forward on the park would go a long way in helping you win games, or at least get closer to opposition, but your midfielders need to work harder as well to get better delivery into that forward line of yours. I haven't watched much of the Dees so far this year but the few minutes I have seen them play I have been very unimpressed by the way all of your players dispose of the ball, too many stupid ineffective hospital handballs to stationary players, and just missing targets in general. It's not pretty football, and it's something I'm sure a lot of amateur teams would be scratching their heads wondering how half the boys in the team get a game.

Where does this improvement start? As you suggest, a list turnover is what needs to happen. Just like Sydney and now Richmond have done in the last decade, recycling players from other clubs that are looking for opportunity elsewhere - but they need to have A-grade potential. This is the hard part, and this is where you need a top recruiting coach that will be able to find these hidden gems on AFL lists... I'm not sure who this recruiting manager might be for you guys, but this needs to be the club's #1 priority, as it will be the key to drafting and trading yourselves to a positive future.

As I said though boys, I know it's not pretty but stick by your club, I'm really hoping things begin to improve in the next few seasons as I know how hard it can be. Come on you Dees. 8)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on April 07, 2014, 02:55:38 PM
It's Melbourne or no one unfortunately.  :P
Melbourne dies and a Tassie team is born? :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on April 07, 2014, 04:06:01 PM
I've stuck with them since pre 2000 might aswell tough it out further :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on April 07, 2014, 06:26:17 PM
What I get frustrated most with people who point out that it takes a long time, is that they mean it will take a long time to be truly successful. I know it will be, but that is the FURTHEST thing from my footy mind. What I expect in one summer, or what I expect quickly, is a competitive team with 3 or 4 proud wins in the season.

I cannot stress that enough. In fact I plead for people to understand. I'm not complaining its taken 8 years to get in the finals, I'm complaining that we haven't been a proud/competitive club for 8 years! (perhaps except 2010 and 2011 prior to 186)

So although I appreciate people like Toga and the countless others that have said stick it out, and that they have been through it as well, over the past so many years. And I mean this in a polite way, you really have no idea.

Have been whingey in this thread, apologies, but I needed the vent.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ringo on April 08, 2014, 08:03:30 AM
Can understand your frustrations Purple and I am sure Melbourne will rebound.  It will take an aggressive approach to your list and trading but can be done. Jury is probably still out on the additions of Cross and Vince but at this stage they have been serviceable to you.

It is unfortunate that Dawes and Clark have been injured and in Clarks case a recruiting that may not come off if he retires completely. Injury to Hogan has also not helped.

You need to however retain Nathan Jones at all costs as he is the heart and soul of your club.

Know you have heard it before but stick with your team and although you will get frustrated it does turn around.  As I have said previously I started supporting Brisbane from Day 1 and there is nothing more frustrating than watching your side have 150 plus points put on them every second week. I stuck with the Bears then Lions and eventually saw finals and premiership.  Admittedly merger with Fitzroy helped us but it still took some time.

Keep the faith - Maybe a relocation may help eg South Melbourne to Sydney.  Melbourne to become Hobart Demons with priority access to Tasmanian players.


Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 09, 2014, 05:45:23 PM
Have been trying to figure out what to post here for half an hour, but I think you guys have covered the magnitude of our situation. All I want to see is the team at least matching the aggression of their opponent, regardless of winning or losing.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on April 09, 2014, 06:06:41 PM
Have been trying to figure out what to post here for half an hour, but I think you guys have covered the magnitude of our situation. All I want to see is the team at least matching the aggression of their opponent, regardless of winning or losing.

+1

Something to be proud of. Through whatever avenue, just something to be proud of.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on April 10, 2014, 08:25:57 AM
Was looking at the Demonland forum, thought this was a special read:

Quote
"Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane." - Morgan Freeman, 'The Shawshank Redemption' (1994).
 
Like many folk around here, Im currently low on morale and struggling to muster the usual optimism and energy for the fight. Were hardened supporters whove become experts at dealing with loss and adversity. Whilst I shake my head regularly at some of the stuff thats posted on Demonland, Im proud of my fellow Dees supporter. Its a tough gig and if any group of supporters had reason to walk away its us. Weve experienced one setback after another but we always bounce back. Or so I thought. The last three weeks, like others, Ive noted the uncharacteristic deflation and hurt that has clearly overwhelmed a band of posters Id normally associate with balance, optimism and good humour. Its one thing to be down about our current form but more disturbingly, its another to be flying the white with no hope for the future. A great many posters have made reference to mergers, relocation and death. And theyve done so in a manner that you normally associate with a terminal patient wanting to be put out of their misery. This concerns me greatly. Weve also heard posters talk about the plight of their children. Im about to turn forty and have two small children who I have no qualms in saying will definitely be Melbourne supporters and members. Ive had friends throw the child abuse jokes my way as well. I remember wearing the number two on the back of my Dees jumper in the early 80s in primary school and feeling very much alone.
 
In the minds of many the last three weeks and Mitch Clarks sad departure has been one kick in the guts too many. With Paul Roos, came an incredible tidal wave of hope. Expectations rose and hope morphed into genuine anticipation of improvement and wins. Paul Roos was like an adrenalin shot for failing fans and with the opening three losses weve relapsed and fallen into a hole of despair bigger than any weve experienced in the past. The timing and nature of Mitch Clarks affliction couldnt have been more symbolic of how the Melbourne masses must feel.
 
Hope can indeed drive a man insane or in our case, an entire football forum. Im not going to sit in judgment and Im certainly not going to stand on my soap box. Posters have every right to vent their anger and point the finger of blame but there comes a point when anaylzing and over-analyzing the ills of the past serves little purpose. Weve made our mistakes at the draft table, weve allowed a culture of mediocrity to emerge over the past eight seasons. Our decision makers have erred and the power mongers have divided rather than united. Weve lost loved ones, sacked coaches and been ridiculed for deliberately losing. We cant ignore the past but at some point we must move on. I think weve learnt from our mistakes and am confident weve got the appropriate structures now in place. The last piece of the puzzle, sadly, will be the team we send out onto the paddock each week.
 
So what am I asking? I guess Im asking for you to help each other out. Dont underestimate the power your individual posts can have on the shared psyche of the most passionate Demon supporters in the land. The group vibe right now is toxic. Talk of the club dying isnt productive. Repeatedly discussing past mistakes made by past regimes isnt productive. Slagging off young inexperienced players isnt productive. Abusing other posters who are in as much pain as you, isnt productive.
 
And if I can indulge in another reference to Shawshank Redemption, can I state my intent to personally get off the canvass yet again and re-commit to the club that has played such a huge role in my life. Put simply, theres no alternative. They had me from the first day I walked down the players race at the MCG as a seven year old attending a dreary, waterlogged training session. Im not going to allow this part of my life to die. Im going to find joy in the journey again and Im going to look forward to the next win and the next surge of adrenalin that only footy seems to provide. Theres a clear choice to make. As a supporter you can get busy living or get busy dying.

Although the poster doesn't know what an apostrophe looks like, it was a good read and, dare it be said, restored a little faith and perspective for me.

And contradictory to everything I've said in the past 3 weeks, I'm finally going to watch my beloved Dees LIVE for the first time next week! Although its a given loss to the Suns, but I'm damn excited all the same!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mat0369 on April 12, 2014, 03:27:54 PM
Not looking so bleak anymore.....
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on April 12, 2014, 03:39:29 PM
While everyone is saying how bad Carlton was, it requires at least a fantastic amount of pride and effort to beat any team by 30 points, especially in Melbourne's position.

I still think that on their day they aren't the bottom side in the competition
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mat0369 on April 12, 2014, 04:00:18 PM
It also helped that they had a target or two up forward.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Toga on April 12, 2014, 10:37:04 PM
:D

Yeah Dees!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Capper on April 13, 2014, 02:05:41 AM
Go Dees, take that Carlton
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on April 13, 2014, 11:43:11 AM
Melbourne finally gets back on the winners list and all the talk is on how bad Carlton were and what needs to be changed. makes me sick

shows you the 'experts' only concentrate on the bad, instead of the good

(talking about the footy shows on Sunday)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ziplock on April 13, 2014, 12:06:56 PM
Melbourne finally gets back on the winners list and all the talk is on how bad Carlton were and what needs to be changed. makes me sick

shows you the 'experts' only concentrate on the bad, instead of the good

(talking about the footy shows on Sunday)

let's be fair- carlton have been talking about finals... they deserve to have shower talked about them atm.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on April 13, 2014, 12:41:35 PM
yeah no doubt zip, but why does it have to be the main focus? they're all waiting for Mick to lose his shower at the press conference, why not wait for Roos' press conference? I've seen Mick's one like 8 times, haven't seen Roosey's once. even if it wasn't Carlton, they'd still be focusing on the loser of the game
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: quinny88 on April 14, 2014, 01:24:44 AM
yeah no doubt zip, but why does it have to be the main focus? they're all waiting for Mick to lose his shower at the press conference, why not wait for Roos' press conference? I've seen Mick's one like 8 times, haven't seen Roosey's once. even if it wasn't Carlton, they'd still be focusing on the loser of the game

Because we already knew Melbourne were shower. Carlton were meant to be good and have just lost to a team that they couldn't lose to. Bravo to Melbourne but a big club like Carlton with high expectations going into the season only to quickly be 0-4 and having just lost to the worst side in the comp will always be a bigger story than Melbourne winning. I'm glad the heats on Carlton. Stops the media sinking the boots in to Richmond for a couple of weeks :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mat0369 on April 25, 2014, 02:18:30 PM
Melbourne are cursed

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-04-24/setback-for-demon-hogan
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Toga on April 25, 2014, 08:29:30 PM
That's a real shame for the club. Hopefully he can get his body right and make an appearance later in the season.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on April 28, 2014, 08:59:21 PM
8 weeks more! flower that sucks for the kid. :-\
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: nrich102 on May 01, 2014, 09:28:03 PM
Hey guys , what's going on with Garland? Is he still injured? Suley hes in the best 22.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 02, 2014, 07:39:40 AM
Garland had a pre-season injury in the range of 6-8 weeks, forcing him out of the NAB games. Has played a game in the Casey development league and a game for Casey, in which he unfortunately had a knee problem. The good news is that he will probably play this week, but it will probably mean he will have to play another match at Casey, so I  would expect a Round 9 return. Maybe round 11 as Melbourne have the bye at Round 10.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: nrich102 on May 02, 2014, 03:27:23 PM
Cool, thanks purps :)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on May 03, 2014, 12:58:58 AM
Mitch Clark officially off the list i imagine they have a fair bit of cash to spend will be interesting to see if they can attract an A Grade player
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 03, 2014, 08:17:42 AM
Fyfe please!

Will never, ever happen, but yes please!

Well, if Freo win the premiership this year, and then Melb proceeds to offer him a million dollars a season.... who knows?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on May 03, 2014, 08:28:44 AM
Is there a player Melbourne fans want (that the club actually has a realistic chance of getting - because I'd imagine a few would be out of reach)?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on May 03, 2014, 08:39:21 AM
Taylor Walker.

Apparently Bernie Vince and Mitch Clisby have/will be getting into his ear about coming over. Who knows, if we start to improve and Adelaide don't finish in the top 10, we could be a chance.

Perfect replacement for Clark.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 03, 2014, 08:42:01 AM
Well, with Clark's departure, it free's up 750k of salary cap space for next year, so I don't think money is the problem, and really, it is the most persuading factor in enticing a player.

I think Dan Hannebery is out of contract? He'd be fantastic. Albeit hard to get.

I think we can again say that melbourne would be after a star midfielder; failing that, one in the making (like another Dom Tyson)

Assuming Frawley stays (oh god please stay), our defence is fine, even if he isn't playing there atm. Maybe another forward?

Out of the free agent list... Matt Rosa could be a good get. Even Nick Smith. I even like your Shane Edwards Nige  ;)

Mundy, Sewell, James Kelly are the older types melbourne could go for, but I don't think we will get another older player
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 03, 2014, 08:43:07 AM
Taylor Walker.

Apparently Bernie Vince and Mitch Clisby have/will be getting into his ear about coming over. Who knows, if we start to improve and Adelaide don't finish in the top 10, we could be a chance.

Perfect replacement for Clark.

I didn't think of that! That would be perfect lol
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on May 03, 2014, 08:45:10 AM
Shane Edwards you say?

Your first draft pick for Shane Edwards and it's a deal.  ;D
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on May 03, 2014, 09:35:01 AM
Ideally i'd like to see:

Taylor Walker - IN

James Frawley - Stay

Ryan O'Keefe & Brad Sewell - IN as playing coaches

Trade 1st round pick (Pick 1-3)+2nd/3rd rounder for 1st round pick (7-11)+ player

Teams that I reckon are a strong chance of having 7-11 (without taking into account any compo picks): (Player i'd want in the deal)

Adelaide: Taylor Walker
Collingwood: Taylor Adams or Nathan Freeman or Ben Kennedy+Paul Seedsman
Essendon: Myers+Kavanagh
Gold Coast: Jesse Lonergan
GWS: Dylan Shiel
North: Ryan Bastinac or Trent Dumont+ Ben Jacobs
Richmond: Reece Conca
St.Kilda: Blake Acres+Josh Bruce or Leigh Montagna+Josh Bruce
Sydney: Luke Parker or Tom Mitchell or Sam Reid
West Coast: Luke Shuey or Jack Darling or Andrew Gaff



Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 03, 2014, 09:43:42 AM
Something you guys haven't really covered is our lack of rucks. I can see us targeting someone like Blicavs from Geelong or Sinclair from the Eagles to give Spencer and Gawn time to develop. Also, as much as I hate to say it I don't think Frawley will stay, which means we can't go after free agents this year as they'll lessen our compensation.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 03, 2014, 10:47:22 AM
Something you guys haven't really covered is our lack of rucks. I can see us targeting someone like Blicavs from Geelong or Sinclair from the Eagles to give Spencer and Gawn time to develop. Also, as much as I hate to say it I don't think Frawley will stay, which means we can't go after free agents this year as they'll lessen our compensation.

That's a good point. I unfortunately think Frawley will move on as well, but I'm not without hope  :)

I like to think if Melbourne continue to play the way they have been since Carlton for the rest of the year, and about 4-5 wins come out of that, then I think we will have done enough to convince him to stay
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on May 03, 2014, 02:09:21 PM
Ideally i'd like to see:

Taylor Walker - IN

James Frawley - Stay

Ryan O'Keefe & Brad Sewell - IN as playing coaches

Trade 1st round pick (Pick 1-3)+2nd/3rd rounder for 1st round pick (7-11)+ player

Teams that I reckon are a strong chance of having 7-11 (without taking into account any compo picks): (Player i'd want in the deal)

Adelaide: Taylor Walker
Collingwood: Taylor Adams or Nathan Freeman or Ben Kennedy+Paul Seedsman
Essendon: Myers+Kavanagh
Gold Coast: Jesse Lonergan
GWS: Dylan Shiel
North: Ryan Bastinac or Trent Dumont+ Ben Jacobs
Richmond: Reece Conca
St.Kilda: Blake Acres+Josh Bruce or Leigh Montagna+Josh Bruce
Sydney: Luke Parker or Tom Mitchell or Sam Reid
West Coast: Luke Shuey or Jack Darling or Andrew Gaff

Essendons first pick is not until after pick 18 or something i think

i think you guys should go after Tom Bell
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on May 03, 2014, 02:10:20 PM
Ideally i'd like to see:

Taylor Walker - IN

James Frawley - Stay

Ryan O'Keefe & Brad Sewell - IN as playing coaches

Trade 1st round pick (Pick 1-3)+2nd/3rd rounder for 1st round pick (7-11)+ player

Teams that I reckon are a strong chance of having 7-11 (without taking into account any compo picks): (Player i'd want in the deal)

Adelaide: Taylor Walker
Collingwood: Taylor Adams or Nathan Freeman or Ben Kennedy+Paul Seedsman
Essendon: Myers+Kavanagh
Gold Coast: Jesse Lonergan
GWS: Dylan Shiel
North: Ryan Bastinac or Trent Dumont+ Ben Jacobs
Richmond: Reece Conca
St.Kilda: Blake Acres+Josh Bruce or Leigh Montagna+Josh Bruce
Sydney: Luke Parker or Tom Mitchell or Sam Reid
West Coast: Luke Shuey or Jack Darling or Andrew Gaff

Essendons first pick is not until after pick 18 or something i think

i think you guys should go after Tom Bell

Ah, of course. Forgot about that. Wouldn't mind Bell to be honest.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on May 03, 2014, 06:32:02 PM
just came on to say...

flowerIN MELBOURNE!!!!!!!!!!! GREAT STUFF BOYS
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on May 03, 2014, 07:55:09 PM
I'll be honest, if 2 of Dawes, Hogan or Clark were in the side for the first 3 games, Melbourne would be 2-1 and everybody would be praising Roos for being a savior coach.

The reality is though, they went 0-3 and looks like they will struggle to have a competitive forward line for half a year.

Much better side than last year though, as was just said Vince, Tyson and Cross all look really strong so far.

Don't want to tout my own horn but....
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 03, 2014, 08:18:54 PM
Bloody amazing win! Well done boys!  :D

Hell yeah!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 04, 2014, 09:19:21 AM
We're starting to become a genuine middle of the road side, which might not mean much to some of you but is amazing for us. Will still get our pants pulled down by Hawthorn though :/
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on May 04, 2014, 09:25:57 AM
We're starting to become a genuine middle of the road side, which might not mean much to some of you but is amazing for us. Will still get our pants pulled down by Hawthorn though :/
As a supporter of a team that is (as argued by some)/has been there, I think I know how you feel.

There's definitely a lot to like about Melbourne and where they're heading at the moment (imo, as an outsider).
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Toga on May 04, 2014, 09:36:41 AM
Huge win for the club on an away deck. You guys must be stoked!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on May 04, 2014, 10:32:40 AM
I'm aroused.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 04, 2014, 12:28:41 PM
Will still get our pants pulled down by Hawthorn though :/

At least its not by everyone now!  :D :D

Definitely excited to be a competitive team again  :D
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on May 04, 2014, 01:42:03 PM
Just wondering Purple, Barra and Big Mac (and other Dee's supporters), who is actually your favourite Dee's player?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 04, 2014, 03:44:57 PM
Just wondering Purple, Barra and Big Mac (and other Dee's supporters), who is actually your favourite Dee's player?

Once upon a time, it was Trengove and Grimes (which they then co-incidentally became captains)

Trengove has annoyed me to no end, so he isn't as much, and Grimes, although starting to look good, hasn't keep my heart.

JKH has actually stolen my heart a little, but I think he has with everyone lol.

But it would have to be the predictable answer, Nathan Jones.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on May 04, 2014, 04:31:35 PM
Just wondering Purple, Barra and Big Mac (and other Dee's supporters), who is actually your favourite Dee's player?

Once upon a time, it was Trengove and Grimes (which they then co-incidentally became captains)

Trengove has annoyed me to no end, so he isn't as much, and Grimes, although starting to look good, hasn't keep my heart.

JKH has actually stolen my heart a little, but I think he has with everyone lol.

But it would have to be the predictable answer, Nathan Jones.

Interesting, personally for me it's Rohan Bail. I don't know why, but I just like him as a player. Good thing his starting to show his talent after that run over head injuries and concussions.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 04, 2014, 05:25:04 PM
I had all but written Bail off, a resented him being on the list for the last couple of years, but this year he has proven me dead wrong. I have liked him this year, and there is no denying that he is showing to be a capable player.

I also felt the same about Mat Jones last year, I just thought he was a list filler. But he has taken my eye this year as well. Also gotta pay credit to pederson in the last few weeks. Hated his guts at the beginning of this year, but ever since Carlton he has been a new player IMO
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on May 05, 2014, 12:10:33 AM
For me it would be Jonesy easily. Theres only a few players in the AFL that never give up. He definitely ranks up there. Although I am liking Dawesy. He has been great this year in my eyes. Probably one of the most accurate outside 50 for big forwards this year too.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on May 05, 2014, 08:31:19 AM
I had all but written Bail off, a resented him being on the list for the last couple of years, but this year he has proven me dead wrong. I have liked him this year, and there is no denying that he is showing to be a capable player.

I also felt the same about Mat Jones last year, I just thought he was a list filler. But he has taken my eye this year as well. Also gotta pay credit to pederson in the last few weeks. Hated his guts at the beginning of this year, but ever since Carlton he has been a new player IMO

Know exactly what you're saying. That's why it's being even more disappointing for me, as I know Bail has always had the talent, just needed the right coach.

Not a huge fan of Matt Jones, but i'll admit his having a real go this year and improving.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on May 05, 2014, 08:32:14 AM
For me it would be Jonesy easily. Theres only a few players in the AFL that never give up. He definitely ranks up there. Although I am liking Dawesy. He has been great this year in my eyes. Probably one of the most accurate outside 50 for big forwards this year too.

Geez Dawes has been impressive. Can't wait for Hogan to get out there with him.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Rusty00 on May 05, 2014, 10:49:19 AM
For me it would be Jonesy easily. Theres only a few players in the AFL that never give up. He definitely ranks up there. Although I am liking Dawesy. He has been great this year in my eyes. Probably one of the most accurate outside 50 for big forwards this year too.

Geez Dawes has been impressive. Can't wait for Hogan to get out there with him.
I've been really impressed with Dawes' work rate. He makes this team so much more competitive.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 05, 2014, 11:13:20 AM
Even when Dawes isn't getting a lot of the ball, or making the marks stick, each and every time he makes a second effort, and third effort if possible. Has made a huge difference.

On top of stuff like that, he has a voice on field... leadership. A recent example was when Watts went with an Adelaide player to the boundary where they engaged in a tackle I think. Dawes walked over, pushed the adelaide player aside and gave Watts praise for his effort.

Not many players do that, that I have noticed these days.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Toga on May 08, 2014, 02:52:26 PM
What's the chances Salem will get another vest this weekend?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 08, 2014, 02:53:53 PM
What's the chances Salem will get another vest this weekend?

JKH got 3 green vests before he got a game, so I reckon the chances are high  :(
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Toga on May 08, 2014, 02:56:44 PM
Bugger - the kid looks a real gem so was hoping he might get a full game sometime soon, was very tempted to bring him into my AF this week! Might wait until he does get a full game to do so, still has a very high BE ;)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 10, 2014, 09:51:58 AM
Interesting read:

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-demons-to-sound-out-essendon-interim-coach-mark-thompson-as-potential-successor-for-paul-roos/story-fndv8pdq-1226912322441 (http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-demons-to-sound-out-essendon-interim-coach-mark-thompson-as-potential-successor-for-paul-roos/story-fndv8pdq-1226912322441)

If that happened, I won't deny I'd be pretty happy. Thompson is a premiership coach... hard not to get excited about that.

What I would want the most though? For Roos to be our coach forever and ever  :P

What do we think Dees-Trust?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on May 12, 2014, 11:39:55 AM
I'm sure any person would want Bomber as a coach for their team. Obviously is a premiership coach and I love the way he goes about his interviews and press conference. Easily best coach to watch out there at the moment.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Capper on May 12, 2014, 04:26:15 PM
This is only my opinion but Dawes to me has put his name forward as being a captain next year. You can build the club on him
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Rusty00 on May 12, 2014, 04:29:21 PM
This is only my opinion but Dawes to me has put his name forward as being a captain next year. You can build the club on him
He has certainly shown a lot of Captain like qualities in the few games he has played this year.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Capper on May 12, 2014, 04:30:50 PM
This is only my opinion but Dawes to me has put his name forward as being a captain next year. You can build the club on him
He has certainly shown a lot of Captain like qualities in the few games he has played this year.
he and Jones will toughen up some of those softer players at the dees
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 15, 2014, 02:41:41 PM
Interesting and relevant read:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/how-losing-creates-culture-of-misery-and-selfishness-20140513-zrbcu.html#poll (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/how-losing-creates-culture-of-misery-and-selfishness-20140513-zrbcu.html#poll)

I honestly thought it was a melbourne player writing this, but the last few paragraphs said no it wasn't, simply from one line:
"Winning is the norm again".... don't get me wrong, I am fairly pleased with the Dees progress and in a good place, but we have won 2 matches.

But things that made me think it, was, during Neeld's tenure, our reserves were like, ladder leaders, and the author made mention of reserve success. He also made mention of saying, "we weren't just getting beate, we were getting smashed"

I also think that the negative senior player(s) would have been Brent Moloney. Through rumours and his exit of the club.

Still, is an interesting read, and a place I never want to see the Demons in ever again.

I love you Paul Roos.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 17, 2014, 03:15:27 PM
I love you Paul Roos!

I love you Nat Jones!

I love you Jack Viney!

I love you Dom Tyson!

And I adore JKH!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on May 17, 2014, 03:18:26 PM
DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS :D


WELL DONE BOYS
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on May 17, 2014, 03:19:15 PM
great win fellas. enjoy  8)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on May 17, 2014, 03:20:08 PM
I love you Paul Roos!

I love you Nat Jones!

I love you Jack Viney!

I love you Dom Tyson!

And I adore JKH!

no love for Watts?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Frankfaust1 on May 17, 2014, 03:20:50 PM
Grand old win fellas. Congrats on great football.  8)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 17, 2014, 03:26:58 PM
I love you Paul Roos!

I love you Nat Jones!

I love you Jack Viney!

I love you Dom Tyson!

And I adore JKH!

no love for Watts?

Of course! But they were the ones I could type through my ecstasy of joy and scotch-whisky  lol
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: stew42 on May 17, 2014, 03:30:45 PM
Not even scotch o'clock yet!!!  :o
Nah you deserve it. Melbourne played some good footy :)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on May 17, 2014, 03:32:58 PM
Well done Melbourne, played well and deserved the win.  :)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on May 17, 2014, 03:35:46 PM
Obviously the byes haven't finished but right now Melbourne are at 14th, ahead of Richmond, equal with Carlton and only 1 win behind North, Freo, Essendon, Adelaide and West Coast!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Toga on May 17, 2014, 04:51:40 PM
Congrats guys, didn't watch the game but you guys obviously deserved it. Your dream might not be far away Purps :)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 17, 2014, 05:29:54 PM
Congrats guys, didn't watch the game but you guys obviously deserved it. Your dream might not be far away Purps :)

Thanks Toga, I'm aware that this loss would sting a fair bit  :-\

Here's hoping it turns around
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Toga on May 17, 2014, 09:44:30 PM
Yeah it's a bit of a shame man but I almost half expected it, my Tigers always find a way to disappoint. I'm hopeful it will turn around again sooner rather than later but I just don't know how the team could have flopped so much since last year.

Hopefully both our teams will be on the rise in the next few years! :)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mat0369 on May 18, 2014, 01:33:42 AM
Paul Roos is the messiah
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 24, 2014, 08:48:45 PM
Took another wonder in the Demonland forum, where I was alerted to ANOTHER father/son prospect, this time for the 2015 draft, Jake Lovett, son of Brett.

Early signs says first round draft pick just from reading around....

Cool!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 01, 2014, 08:41:36 AM
Well, we weren't too bad really yesterday. Call me bias, but we were better for longer than port was, but they didn't lapse and we did, and they deserved to win because of it.

In the first 10 minutes, and the last 10 minutes, they kicked 8 goals, so in my eyes we were better for 60 mins (game clock times, not real times).

Moving on, I did not like this quote from James Frawley post match:

"The boys have been really positive about how we've been going, but realistically, we're three [wins] and seven [lossess] where we are - and still well down the ladder."

Is this a subtle hint of how he thinks when it comes to his contract?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 01, 2014, 09:15:10 AM
Well, we weren't too bad really yesterday. Call me bias, but we were better for longer than port was, but they didn't lapse and we did, and they deserved to win because of it.

In the first 10 minutes, and the last 10 minutes, they kicked 8 goals, so in my eyes we were better for 60 mins (game clock times, not real times).

Moving on, I did not like this quote from James Frawley post match:

"The boys have been really positive about how we've been going, but realistically, we're three [wins] and seven [lossess] where we are - and still well down the ladder."

Is this a subtle hint of how he thinks when it comes to his contract?

More so the attitude of the players under Roos. An honourable loss isn't a win. We want to win, anything else isn't good enough.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on June 01, 2014, 09:20:34 AM
I felt you guys deserved to win that game, so when you let Port run away with it in those 10 minutes as Purps said, I was a little disappointed. Some players played very well. Cam Pedersen looks a different player, Christian Salem is going to be a star, I thought Max Gawn was decent too actually.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 01, 2014, 09:23:43 AM
I felt you guys deserved to win that game, so when you let Port run away with it in those 10 minutes as Purps said, I was a little disappointed. Some players played very well. Cam Pedersen looks a different player, Christian Salem is going to be a star, I thought Max Gawn was decent too actually.

Yeah I agree, we had a lot of good players yesterday. A few half performers though (only played well for a half).

This has been allowing us to make minimal changes each week, as no-one has been terrible. However there are a few, who have been poor over a period of a couple of weeks.

I'd make these changes this week (if VFL form allows it):

- Grimes -----> Clisby
- Toumpas -----> Michie/Kent
- Gawn (unlucky) -----> Dawes

Gawn stiff to miss out, however I can't see us going in with Gawn, Pedo, Frawley and Dawes all in the forward line. Unless Pedo or Frawley play back, I can't see Gawn in the team.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on June 01, 2014, 09:27:47 AM
Would Grimes seriously be omitted for Clisby?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 01, 2014, 10:30:30 AM
Would Grimes seriously be omitted for Clisby?

I doubt it, but he hasn't been good lately. Don't get me wrong his shutdown work has been great, but his disposal and attacking intent not so.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 01, 2014, 10:55:04 AM
I say this in all seriousness, I think Toumpas should be relegated to the VFL for pretty much the whole year. It wasn't great form that he had that got him into the team, solid, but not at the level for a person of his apparent talent.

If he gets his disposals in the 30's for Casey for 2-3 weeks in a row, then by all means get him in the team. But he didn't do that.

Feel a little sorry for McKenzie. Tearing the numbers up for Casey, just a shame he can't dispose of it that well  :-\
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 01, 2014, 04:25:04 PM
I say this in all seriousness, I think Toumpas should be relegated to the VFL for pretty much the whole year. It wasn't great form that he had that got him into the team, solid, but not at the level for a person of his apparent talent.

If he gets his disposals in the 30's for Casey for 2-3 weeks in a row, then by all means get him in the team. But he didn't do that.

Feel a little sorry for McKenzie. Tearing the numbers up for Casey, just a shame he can't dispose of it that well  :-\

I agree with you here. I know I said I didn't understand the hate for him but that doesn't mean i don't want him to work for his spot.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 02, 2014, 05:12:16 PM
Pretty confident of getting close to, if not winning, this week. Pies have a number of outs, and with Dawes back I think we'll stretch them.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on June 02, 2014, 05:15:47 PM
Pretty confident of getting close to, if not winning, this week. Pies have a number of outs, and with Dawes back I think we'll stretch them.

yeah i give you guys a huge chance
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 02, 2014, 06:03:48 PM
Would be amazing if we got up this week - Honestly reckon our performance the last few weeks will boost the attendance for this game by atleast 15k
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on June 02, 2014, 06:12:16 PM
Media is hyping Cloke as back in form but I think any form of defensive pressure from the Demons will shut him right off.

I think Melbourne has the capacity to win certainly, but it'll take a huge effort in the midfield to beat Collingwood's
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mat0369 on June 02, 2014, 06:32:08 PM
I'm probably crazy, but I am tipping the Dees this week.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on June 02, 2014, 09:34:01 PM
I'm probably crazy, but I am tipping the Dees this week.
I don't think you are.

I'll be tipping them as well.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: roo boys! on June 09, 2014, 06:30:52 PM
From an outsider looking in, and I'll admit I haven't seen many Melbourne games in their entirety, but ex-Roo Cam Pedersen really seems to be taking the next step!

Had a lot of promise during his first year at North but due to a number of circumstances it was the best thing for both parties for him to move on, seems to have been a very clean break and as such its great to see him in putting in good performances week in week out! Has to be admired for his workrate and willingness to do the little things that many other big men don't do, such as sticking the hard tackles and putting in what seem like ultimately futile chases in order just to put on some pressure.

Where do Dees fans see him at the moment with his football?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 09, 2014, 06:45:56 PM
Has the worst nickname in the AFL....

But its either that or: Cam, Cam, driving the White Van.


2013, I hated this guy.

"I don't even want him playing for Casey Reserves, as it would impede their progress." - Purple 77, sometime in 2013.

First 3 rounds of this year... I wanted him dead.

Oh but how things change! Cam Pederson is arguably the most improved player in the AFL. His contested marking is phenomenal, he tackles, he commits to second efforts... everything you could really ask for. And like you say RB, he backs his performances up every week!

I like what ossie says about him, "He is like your Leigh Brown player."

Although he was being a little smart, I actually think he is just that.

So I am proud when I say, you have proven me dead wrong Cam. Kudos to Roos, and most importantly, yourself.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 09, 2014, 07:22:35 PM
Honestly can't think of a player who has improved more than Pedersen in the AFL this year. Not sure what Roos has been giving him for breakfast but his workrate has been tremendous this year. He has gone from a backup defender playing VFL to a mainstay in the AFL side in one preseason.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: nrich102 on June 09, 2014, 07:29:55 PM
Maybe Melbourne hasn't really done all that well this year, they've just done an Essendon had communication with a sports scientists.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 10, 2014, 10:21:40 AM
On Pedo, his marking ability is spectacular. Compared to last season he's a revelation. Confidence is a wonderful thing.

Expect to see Kent come into the team this week. I reckon JKH will remain, Salem will be given a rest and McKenzie will come in for Gawn.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 10, 2014, 10:59:02 AM
Yeah that sounds about right to me for changes MTTY. I'm not sure about Mckenzie coming in though.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 10, 2014, 11:06:32 AM
Yeah that sounds about right to me for changes MTTY. I'm not sure about Mckenzie coming in though.

I like to think he has earned a call-up. Say what you will about what he may or may not produce, he has definitely earned a senior call up through his hard work.

Also agree with those changes MTTY...

Another guy has been Jetta. Another great performance by him on Elliot.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 10, 2014, 11:28:02 AM
Yeah that sounds about right to me for changes MTTY. I'm not sure about Mckenzie coming in though.

I like to think he has earned a call-up. Say what you will about what he may or may not produce, he has definitely earned a senior call up through his hard work.

Also agree with those changes MTTY...

Another guy has been Jetta. Another great performance by him on Elliot.

Yeah Jetta, Bail and Pedersen all definitely in that improved group.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 10, 2014, 11:29:09 AM
Yeah that sounds about right to me for changes MTTY. I'm not sure about Mckenzie coming in though.

McKenzie, as Purple said, has really earned his call-up. We're way too top heavy up front, so I see Kent being brought in for speed as a high half forward to replace a tall (Gawn) and McKenzie to give Salem a run in the VFL.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 10, 2014, 03:17:40 PM
Personally I'd like to run Riley over Mckenzie, Cross is doing an awesome job of tagging that we don't need another.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 10, 2014, 03:43:54 PM
Just remembered we also have the talented Michie... I thought he was stiff to get dropped earlier in the year, then he got injured, surprisingly, I don't really know how he has been doing since he got back from injury.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: tor01doc on June 10, 2014, 06:28:19 PM
Can't wait for Roos' Dees to play Lyons' Dockers.

Nil all draw looming - and you reckon soccer is boring.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 10, 2014, 07:14:58 PM
Just remembered we also have the talented Michie... I thought he was stiff to get dropped earlier in the year, then he got injured, surprisingly, I don't really know how he has been doing since he got back from injury.

Has been racking it up but has also been poor defensively
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 10, 2014, 07:34:49 PM
Personally I'd like to run Riley over Mckenzie, Cross is doing an awesome job of tagging that we don't need another.

McKenzie's been training as an offensive mid (that can tag). Riley has seemed to have dropped down the pecking order, as McKenzie's been the first emergency.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on June 10, 2014, 07:39:56 PM
It might be the Sydney Swans/Roos supporter in me but I really don't see why everyone thinks the style of play is so boring.

Would you rather see them try to go down the corridor and butcher the all horribly like they did for years? Makes every goal kicked important.

Its good that he's playing guys based on how they can pressure defensively rather than whether they collect possesions
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 10, 2014, 07:57:00 PM
It might be the Sydney Swans/Roos supporter in me but I really don't see why everyone thinks the style of play is so boring.

Would you rather see them try to go down the corridor and butcher the all horribly like they did for years? Makes every goal kicked important.

Its good that he's playing guys based on how they can pressure defensively rather than whether they collect possesions

Exactly it. Roos style of football is an acquired taste, one that I have grown quite accustomed too.

I personally enjoy the physical contest melbourne put out every week.

But 3 goals is unacceptable. Well, if collingwood kicked 2 goals, then it would be acceptable  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 08:40:48 PM
Interesting Dees related conversation going on in the Blues board. Drop your thoughts Dees fans, I'm interested. ;)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: GoLions on June 10, 2014, 08:59:02 PM
Interesting Dees related conversation going on in the Blues board. Drop your thoughts Dees fans, I'm interested. ;)
Dees >>> Blues
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on June 10, 2014, 09:00:02 PM
Interesting Dees related conversation going on in the Blues board. Drop your thoughts Dees fans, I'm interested. ;)
Dees >>> Blues
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 09:16:25 PM
Interesting Dees related conversation going on in the Blues board. Drop your thoughts Dees fans, I'm interested. ;)
Dees >>> Blues
Blues > Lions > Dees.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: GoLions on June 10, 2014, 09:30:41 PM
Interesting Dees related conversation going on in the Blues board. Drop your thoughts Dees fans, I'm interested. ;)
Dees >>> Blues
Lions > Dees >>> Blues
Seeing as we beat you...
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 09:32:35 PM
Interesting Dees related conversation going on in the Blues board. Drop your thoughts Dees fans, I'm interested. ;)
Dees >>> Blues
Lions > Dees >>> Blues
Seeing as we beat you...
GWS beat Sydney. That doesn't make them better.

Sydney is 3rd, GWS is 18th.

The ladder does not lie.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on June 10, 2014, 09:37:18 PM
The ladder does not lie.

Why aren't Sydney 1st then  ;)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on June 10, 2014, 09:44:13 PM
The ladder does not lie.

Why aren't Sydney 1st then  ;)
Haha cause they dropped a game they shouldn't have against GWS. But obviously they are still better than GWS. :P

See Dave ;)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ziplock on June 10, 2014, 10:50:06 PM
The ladder does not lie.

Why aren't Sydney 1st then  ;)
Haha cause they dropped a game they shouldn't have against GWS. But obviously they are still better than GWS. :P

See Dave ;)

they still wouldn't be first... port's only lost 1 game, sydney'ls lost 3.

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 11, 2014, 11:29:52 AM
Interesting Dees related conversation going on in the Blues board. Drop your thoughts Dees fans, I'm interested. ;)
Dees >>> Blues
Lions > Dees >>> Blues
Seeing as we beat you...

Melbourne also beat Carlton...
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: GoLions on June 11, 2014, 11:51:01 AM
Interesting Dees related conversation going on in the Blues board. Drop your thoughts Dees fans, I'm interested. ;)
Dees >>> Blues
Lions > Dees >>> Blues
Seeing as we beat you...

Melbourne also beat Carlton...
Hence why the Blues are worse than both of us :)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 11, 2014, 12:08:11 PM
Interesting Dees related conversation going on in the Blues board. Drop your thoughts Dees fans, I'm interested. ;)
Dees >>> Blues
Lions > Dees >>> Blues
Seeing as we beat you...

Melbourne also beat Carlton...
Hence why the Blues are worse than both of us :)

Yeh I think I quoted the wrong post  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 07:24:37 PM
How's this for our best 12 U24 players?

In no particular order:

Dom Tyson
Jesse Hogan
Jack Viney
Tom McDonald
Jack Trengove
Dean Kent
Christian Salem
Jimmy Toumpas
Max Gawn
Jay Kennedy-Harris
Jack Watts
Jeremy Howe
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 11, 2014, 07:26:35 PM
How's this for our best 12 U24 players?

In no particular order:

Dom Tyson
Jesse Hogan
Jack Viney
Tom McDonald
Jack Trengove
Dean Kent
Christian Salem
Jimmy Toumpas
Max Gawn
Jay Kennedy-Harris
Jack Watts
Jeremy Howe

Obviously we're not a premiership side but that's a pretty good base i'd say  :D
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 07:27:29 PM
How's this for our best 12 U24 players?

In no particular order:

Dom Tyson
Jesse Hogan
Jack Viney
Tom McDonald
Jack Trengove
Dean Kent
Christian Salem
Jimmy Toumpas
Max Gawn
Jay Kennedy-Harris
Jack Watts
Jeremy Howe

Obviously we're not a premiership side but that's a pretty good base i'd say  :D

Exactly my thinking. Also to note is that it covers most positions with at least one player.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 11, 2014, 07:30:06 PM
How's this for our best 12 U24 players?

In no particular order:

Dom Tyson
Jesse Hogan
Jack Viney
Tom McDonald
Jack Trengove
Dean Kent
Christian Salem
Jimmy Toumpas
Max Gawn
Jay Kennedy-Harris
Jack Watts
Jeremy Howe

Obviously we're not a premiership side but that's a pretty good base i'd say  :D

Exactly my thinking. Also to note is that it covers most positions with at least one player.

Also add to that list guys like McKenzie, Fitzpatrick, Michie, Riley, Blease (will he ever break out?)...

Fancy people not thinking we have talent... however, a lot of that list is unproven.

Can't also help but think McDonald just stands out in that list, he feels senior to me  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 07:32:18 PM
How's this for our best 12 U24 players?

In no particular order:

Dom Tyson
Jesse Hogan
Jack Viney
Tom McDonald
Jack Trengove
Dean Kent
Christian Salem
Jimmy Toumpas
Max Gawn
Jay Kennedy-Harris
Jack Watts
Jeremy Howe

Obviously we're not a premiership side but that's a pretty good base i'd say  :D

Exactly my thinking. Also to note is that it covers most positions with at least one player.

Also add to that list guys like McKenzie, Fitzpatrick, Michie, Riley, Blease (will he ever break out?)...

Fancy people not thinking we have talent... however, a lot of that list is unproven.

Can't also help but think McDonald just stands out in that list, he feels senior to me  :P

For what McDonald has accomplished at such a young age he's up there with Talia, Henderson and Carlisle  as a really young KPD.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Master Q on June 11, 2014, 07:33:37 PM
How's this for our best 12 U24 players?

In no particular order:

Dom Tyson
Jesse Hogan
Jack Viney
Tom McDonald
Jack Trengove
Dean Kent
Christian Salem
Jimmy Toumpas
Max Gawn
Jay Kennedy-Harris
Jack Watts
Jeremy Howe

Obviously we're not a premiership side but that's a pretty good base i'd say  :D

Exactly my thinking. Also to note is that it covers most positions with at least one player.

Also add to that list guys like McKenzie, Fitzpatrick, Michie, Riley, Blease (will he ever break out?)...

Fancy people not thinking we have talent... however, a lot of that list is unproven.

Can't also help but think McDonald just stands out in that list, he feels senior to me  :P
Yeah... Hogan hasn't played, and Salem and JKH have played a handful of games (not to mention being cursed with the vest)  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 11, 2014, 07:34:52 PM
JKH's vest annoys me immensely. Why? Because he is almost already my favourite player  :P that guy just took a hold of my heart  8)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 07:35:02 PM
Haha Toumpas, trueeeee.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: GoLions on June 11, 2014, 07:35:45 PM
How's this for our best 12 U24 players?

In no particular order:

Dom Tyson
Jesse Hogan
Jack Viney
Tom McDonald
Jack Trengove
Dean Kent
Christian Salem
Jimmy Toumpas
Max Gawn
Jay Kennedy-Harris
Jack Watts
Jeremy Howe

Obviously we're not a premiership side but that's a pretty good base i'd say  :D

Exactly my thinking. Also to note is that it covers most positions with at least one player.

Also add to that list guys like McKenzie, Fitzpatrick, Michie, Riley, Blease (will he ever break out?)...

Fancy people not thinking we have talent... however, a lot of that list is unproven.

Can't also help but think McDonald just stands out in that list, he feels senior to me  :P
What's happening with McKenzie? I always thought he looked pretty good, but only played like 2 games this year. Is he injured or just not making the best 22?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 07:38:29 PM
How's this for our best 12 U24 players?

In no particular order:

Dom Tyson
Jesse Hogan
Jack Viney
Tom McDonald
Jack Trengove
Dean Kent
Christian Salem
Jimmy Toumpas
Max Gawn
Jay Kennedy-Harris
Jack Watts
Jeremy Howe

Obviously we're not a premiership side but that's a pretty good base i'd say  :D

Exactly my thinking. Also to note is that it covers most positions with at least one player.

Also add to that list guys like McKenzie, Fitzpatrick, Michie, Riley, Blease (will he ever break out?)...

Fancy people not thinking we have talent... however, a lot of that list is unproven.

Can't also help but think McDonald just stands out in that list, he feels senior to me  :P
What's happening with McKenzie? I always thought he looked pretty good, but only played like 2 games this year. Is he injured or just not making the best 22?

Became way too defensive under Neeld. Is working his offence in the VFL, but is close to a senior return. The worry is that when he tags, his opponents do not worry about him hurting their team offensively so they do not have to worry about paying attention to him at all.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Master Q on June 11, 2014, 07:39:22 PM
Haha Toumpas, trueeeee.
Toumpas works in our favour.

"The vote shows that FF believe Melbourne has better U24 player"

"But you have Toumpas! LOL"
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: GoLions on June 11, 2014, 07:40:10 PM
Ah ok, cheers. Hopefully he gets a call-up soon :)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 11, 2014, 07:41:04 PM
Haha Toumpas, trueeeee.
Toumpas works in our favour.

"The vote shows that FF believe Melbourne has better U24 player"

"But you have Toumpas! LOL"

*queue tbag leaping to Toumpas' defence, as I sure won't*

But I guess he is still young...  ::)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 07:41:06 PM
Haha Toumpas, trueeeee.
Toumpas works in our favour.

"The vote shows that FF believe Melbourne has better U24 player"

"But you have Toumpas! LOL"
Hahaha.

I swear the name Toumpas sounds like something you'd name a potato.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: GoLions on June 11, 2014, 07:42:07 PM
Haha Toumpas, trueeeee.
Toumpas works in our favour.

"The vote shows that FF believe Melbourne has better U24 player"

"But you have Toumpas! LOL"
Hahaha.

I swear the name Toumpas sounds like something you'd name a potato.
Omfg I'm dying ;D
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 11, 2014, 07:42:27 PM
What's happening with McKenzie? I always thought he looked pretty good, but only played like 2 games this year. Is he injured or just not making the best 22?

I also think Cross has taken his role and keeping him out of the side. The guy kills it possession-wise in the VFL, but he doesn't have a huge impact with them... sure does work hard though.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 07:43:43 PM
Haha Toumpas, trueeeee.
Toumpas works in our favour.

"The vote shows that FF believe Melbourne has better U24 player"

"But you have Toumpas! LOL"
Hahaha.

I swear the name Toumpas sounds like something you'd name a potato.
Omfg I'm dying ;D
The Dees can't even make a case for poor Toumpas.  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 11, 2014, 07:44:23 PM
Haha Toumpas, trueeeee.
Toumpas works in our favour.

"The vote shows that FF believe Melbourne has better U24 player"

"But you have Toumpas! LOL"
Hahaha.

I swear the name Toumpas sounds like something you'd name a potato.
Omfg I'm dying ;D
The Dees can't even make a case for poor Toumpas.  :P

I would if I disagreed  :( the others might argue though
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 07:44:49 PM
I actually still rate Toumpas. He's exactly like Watts was/is in that he has all the tools to be an elite skilled AFL player, but
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on June 11, 2014, 07:45:06 PM
i think Melbourne obviously need to draft or trade a forward but they also need another 1 or 2 quick players like a Yarran that can play both ends
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 07:45:28 PM
Oh and Toumpas>Bootsma  8)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 11, 2014, 07:46:20 PM
Oh and Toumpas>Bootsma  8)

I do agree with that!

But if anything that puts Toumpas down  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 07:47:43 PM
Who's Bootsma? Is he even in the AFL? Sure doesn't play for the Blues.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 07:47:57 PM
i think Melbourne obviously need to draft or trade a forward but they also need another 1 or 2 quick players like a Yarran that can play both ends

This is where Kent comes in (well he doesn't play back), in that he offers pace and grunt as a high half forward or inside mid. Jayden Hunt is also very very quick and is being groomed as a half back/ half forward. We also have Blease developing his game in the VFL, currently playing HB. (We all know he can play HF).
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 07:48:54 PM
Who's Bootsma? Is he even in the AFL? Sure doesn't play for the Blues.

Once a Blue, always a Blue. Unfortunately.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: tbagrocks on June 11, 2014, 07:50:21 PM
Toumpas is crap, so give him back to us for a bag of chips? Ok deal, JT wears fruit-loops next season ;D
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 07:50:56 PM
Who's Bootsma? Is he even in the AFL? Sure doesn't play for the Blues.

Once a Blue, always a Blue. Unfortunately.
That's where the small print regarding the Josh Bootsma Clause comes into play.


Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 11, 2014, 07:53:07 PM
Thoughts on our rucks guys? I think we need to trade in someone who won't be a liability around the ground, as I just don't think Gawn has developed enough to take over from Jamar straight away, and I don't think Spencer has the tools to fit that criteria. Sinclair/Blicavs would be very nice
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 07:54:12 PM
Toumpas is crap, so give him back to us for a bag of chips? Ok deal, JT wears fruit-loops next season ;D

We'll trade you Toumpas for one of Walker, Smith, Talia, or Sloane and your highest draft pick?

Or alternatively Dangerfield or B.Crouch.

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 07:55:07 PM
Who's Bootsma? Is he even in the AFL? Sure doesn't play for the Blues.

Once a Blue, always a Blue. Unfortunately.
That's where the small print regarding the Josh Bootsma Clause comes into play.

We had a similar one for Cale.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 11, 2014, 07:55:58 PM
Toumpas is crap, so give him back to us for a bag of chips? Ok deal, JT wears fruit-loops next season ;D

Lol, do you hear me typing about Toumpas or something  :P how the heck did know to read here?!

But anyway, this was Toumpas' most recent VFL review on the weekend:

Quote
Jimmy Toumpas: Jimmy played wing and half-forward. He had 11 disposals. It was an off-day for Jimmy this week. Conditions were difficult, but he was very fumbly and he certainly needs to play with a lot more strength to hold his ground and his position in contests. We know he
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 07:57:48 PM
Who's Bootsma? Is he even in the AFL? Sure doesn't play for the Blues.

Once a Blue, always a Blue. Unfortunately.
That's where the small print regarding the Josh Bootsma Clause comes into play.

We had a similar one for Cale.
Hahaha nice.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 07:58:25 PM
Thoughts on our rucks guys? I think we need to trade in someone who won't be a liability around the ground, as I just don't think Gawn has developed enough to take over from Jamar straight away, and I don't think Spencer has the tools to fit that criteria. Sinclair/Blicavs would be very nice

I actually am not Spencer's biggest fan. Personally think we should have only gave him a one year extension, if any at all.

We definitely need to trade in a ruckman or draft a mature aged one. Also would't mind listing a younger one.

Currie, Redden or Lycett/Sinclair would be gettable I feel.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 11, 2014, 07:58:34 PM
Who's Bootsma? Is he even in the AFL? Sure doesn't play for the Blues.

Once a Blue, always a Blue. Unfortunately.
That's where the small print regarding the Josh Bootsma Clause comes into play.

We had a similar one for Cale.
Hahaha nice.

No last name needed  :-[
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 07:59:01 PM
Toumpas is crap, so give him back to us for a bag of chips? Ok deal, JT wears fruit-loops next season ;D

Lol, do you hear me typing about Toumpas or something  :P how the heck did know to read here?!

But anyway, this was Toumpas' most recent VFL review on the weekend:

Quote
Jimmy Toumpas: Jimmy played wing and half-forward. He had 11 disposals. It was an off-day for Jimmy this week. Conditions were difficult, but he was very fumbly and he certainly needs to play with a lot more strength to hold his ground and his position in contests. We know he

I swear Toumpas is the only player who has not gained confidence under Roos.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 11, 2014, 08:00:43 PM
Thoughts on our rucks guys? I think we need to trade in someone who won't be a liability around the ground, as I just don't think Gawn has developed enough to take over from Jamar straight away, and I don't think Spencer has the tools to fit that criteria. Sinclair/Blicavs would be very nice

I actually am not Spencer's biggest fan. Personally think we should have on gave him a one year extension, if any at all.

We definitely need to trade in a ruckman or draft a mature aged one. Also would't mind listing a younger one.

Currie, Redden or Lycett/Sinclair would be gettable I feel.

Yeah. I admire how hard he works, and he tackles more often than our other rucks, but he is a bit of a liability. I would hold off trading for a ruckman until Russian retires, to give the other 3 some more development time. We have other pressing trade concerns IMO
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 11, 2014, 08:02:16 PM
Toumpas is crap, so give him back to us for a bag of chips? Ok deal, JT wears fruit-loops next season ;D

Lol, do you hear me typing about Toumpas or something  :P how the heck did know to read here?!

But anyway, this was Toumpas' most recent VFL review on the weekend:

Quote
Jimmy Toumpas: Jimmy played wing and half-forward. He had 11 disposals. It was an off-day for Jimmy this week. Conditions were difficult, but he was very fumbly and he certainly needs to play with a lot more strength to hold his ground and his position in contests. We know he

I swear Toumpas is the only player who has not gained confidence under Roos.

He just has this sooky attitude after a bad performance, which destroys any scraps of confidence. Which is really the only reason he is my guy I love to hate.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 08:04:20 PM
Toumpas is crap, so give him back to us for a bag of chips? Ok deal, JT wears fruit-loops next season ;D

Lol, do you hear me typing about Toumpas or something  :P how the heck did know to read here?!

But anyway, this was Toumpas' most recent VFL review on the weekend:

Quote
Jimmy Toumpas: Jimmy played wing and half-forward. He had 11 disposals. It was an off-day for Jimmy this week. Conditions were difficult, but he was very fumbly and he certainly needs to play with a lot more strength to hold his ground and his position in contests. We know he

I swear Toumpas is the only player who has not gained confidence under Roos.

He just has this sooky attitude after a bad performance, which destroys any scraps of confidence. Which is really the only reason he is my guy I love to hate.

I still feel it's more so the whole Watts before 2014. Lacks confidence, feels the teams performance is on his shoulders, worries about contests and physicality and struggles with being a number 4 draft pick.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: tbagrocks on June 11, 2014, 08:14:19 PM
Think it's best served for everyone that you give him back to us (I say give him back as, every SA wanted him in 2011 after he won the finals and took a Premiership away from Centrals)

Actually am serious here, Crows give first/second rounder or Lyons for Jimmy + third rounder or something

Am sue he will blossom once home, Victoria doesn't suit everyone you know :P

P.S haha well, I follow certain threads that interest me :P  and Roos interests me so interested to see what others especially Dee fans have to say :) (also interested to see what people say about Jimmy, as he will be a crow someday :P )

Although that's what we said about Gibbs ::)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 08:23:44 PM
Crows give first/second rounder or Lyons for Jimmy + third rounder or something

Unless Smith, Tex, BCrouch, Sloane or Danger are involved in that trade, then no. :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 08:43:00 PM
Would you guys be interested in Kreuzer at all, he is 25 but still?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 08:46:03 PM
Would you guys be interested in Kreuzer at all, he is 25 but still?

That depends. Who for?  ???
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mat0369 on June 11, 2014, 08:46:42 PM
Hogan
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 08:48:12 PM
Hogan
BANG! DONE.

NICE DOING BUSINESS DEES.

Would you guys be interested in Kreuzer at all, he is 25 but still?

That depends. Who for?  ???
Haha didn't really think about it. Just put it out there. But what would you give up for him?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 08:51:18 PM
Hogan

Nope.  ;)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mat0369 on June 11, 2014, 08:52:17 PM
What about Warnock?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 08:54:39 PM
Hogan
BANG! DONE.

NICE DOING BUSINESS DEES.

Would you guys be interested in Kreuzer at all, he is 25 but still?

That depends. Who for?  ???
Haha didn't really think about it. Just put it out there. But what would you give up for him?

Our first round pick for your second rounder and Kreuzer.

Alternatively I don't think the players we'd willingly trade would be enough to make a viable deal.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on June 11, 2014, 08:55:49 PM
Henderson for Hogan?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 08:56:08 PM
What about Warnock?

Not a fan. I liken him to a bigger, slightly better, but same skilled Spencer.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 08:57:47 PM
Henderson for Hogan?

Nope, would take a higher pick as well to sweeten the deal. Hogan is basically off limits, except for players like Fyfe etc.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 08:57:49 PM
Warnock is a beast of a tap ruckmen and has been honourable in his service during Kreuzer's absence.

If you are lucky we will give him up for Hogan + Tyson. But it'd be tough!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mat0369 on June 11, 2014, 08:57:59 PM
Not a fan. I liken him to a bigger, slightly better, but same skilled Spencer.

I liken him to Mark Blake but with less marks, more hitouts and no premiership medal.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Master Q on June 11, 2014, 08:58:11 PM
Henderson for Hogan?
Hell no
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 08:58:50 PM
That'd be silly. Henderson is very important to us.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 08:59:49 PM
Not a fan. I liken him to a bigger, slightly better, but same skilled Spencer.

I liken him to Mark Blake but with less marks, more hitouts and no premiership medal.

I can see that, a lot bigger too.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Master Q on June 11, 2014, 09:00:14 PM
That'd be silly. Henderson is very important to us.
You forgot to mention he is proven.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Noz on June 11, 2014, 09:02:45 PM
Nevilla Jetta's turnaround is looking very nicely indeed.

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 09:03:24 PM
Have to say, I'm enjoying the healthy & friendly banter/conversation with another teams supporters. I always knew you Carlton guys weren't so bad.  :D
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on June 11, 2014, 09:03:49 PM
Marc Murphy for Hogan?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 09:05:02 PM
Nevilla Jetta's turnaround is looking very nicely indeed.

Very much so. I feel Bail doesn't earn as much praise as Jetta and Pedersen have for their improvement. Been very very good .
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: tbagrocks on June 11, 2014, 09:05:41 PM
Why would anyone trade Hogan :o

Sheesh, get Fyfe sure yep, he's bored of Ross's style but, give us Jimmy in the deal :)

Always saw Jetta as a kid that had talent, he's now a real diamond
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 09:06:15 PM
Marc Murphy for Hogan?

I still wouldn't do that, and I'd say the Carlton supporters wouldn't either.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mat0369 on June 11, 2014, 09:09:12 PM
Very much so. I feel Bail doesn't earn as much praise as Jetta and Pedersen have for their improvement. Been very very good .

I think it's because Bail showed a bit in his first couple of seasons but has just had issues with his body/concussion. Pederson being a bit older and on the scrap heap I think the turnaround has been more prevalent
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 09:10:30 PM
Have to say, I'm enjoying the healthy & friendly banter/conversation with another teams supporters. I always knew you Carlton guys weren't so bad.  :D
Hahaha was gonna say the exact same thing in the Coaches Banter & Vent Thread but the 30 second posting thing came up. It's good as even though it is distracting me from doing my homework right now. :P

KB stop. :P Murphy is a Blue for life.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on June 11, 2014, 09:12:43 PM
Nevilla Jetta's turnaround is looking very nicely indeed.

Very much so. I feel Bail doesn't earn as much praise as Jetta and Pedersen have for their improvement. Been very very good .
Had Rohan Bail on our list in Worlds and I've always been a fan, but I thought he was done for and so I delisted him. Terrible mistake, he's another one of those Dees along with Jetta, Pedo and even Dunn who really have turned their careers around for the better!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on June 11, 2014, 09:13:56 PM
Knew picking up Dunn in XVs would be a good move. Had faith in him and he has been great this year!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Noz on June 11, 2014, 09:14:14 PM
Nevilla Jetta's turnaround is looking very nicely indeed.

Very much so. I feel Bail doesn't earn as much praise as Jetta and Pedersen have for their improvement. Been very very good .

Bail's kicking at times can be quite poor maybe thats why he isn't talked up as highly as the other 2?

When you have young guys like Barry, Harmes and Michie performing nicely in the reserves all of a sudden theres some very good depth there. Obviously Barry and Harmes may be a season or 2 away from regular birth but the future is looking bright.

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on June 11, 2014, 09:17:59 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-11/rookie-watch

The above article was a great read (for all clubs).

We all obviously know a bit about Jetta and Georgiou by now, but what do Dees fans think of Harmes and King? Do you guys think they'll ever become long term players at Melbourne?

Personally, I really like the look of Harmes.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on June 11, 2014, 09:19:08 PM
Have to say, I'm enjoying the healthy & friendly banter/conversation with another teams supporters. I always knew you Carlton guys weren't so bad.  :D
Hahaha was gonna say the exact same thing in the Coaches Banter & Vent Thread but the 30 second posting thing came up. It's good as even though it is distracting me from doing my homework right now. :P

KB stop. :P Murphy is a Blue for life.

kill joy
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 09:19:36 PM
Thats actually very true on Bail, on all points. I've always rated him, but yes the concussion set him back majorly (even looked like he may retire due to them at one stage). His kicking is his weak point, but he's getting a lot better at that and the decision making aspect.

On Harmes and Barry: I suspect we'll see Harmes sooner rather than later. That lung puncture really set him back, as he was traveling along nicely in the VFL. Barry is very much so a project player and I can't see him debuting until at least the end of this season.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 09:22:16 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-11/rookie-watch

The above article was a great read (for all clubs).

We all obviously know a bit about Jetta and Georgiou by now, but what do Dees fans think of Harmes and King? Do you guys think they'll ever become long term players at Melbourne?

Personally, I really like the look of Harmes.

Harmes looks like a very good player. Has the right attributes. Personally thought he was on his way to an early elevation and debut, but that injury set him back a little.

King I can see as a long term player, but I reckon he'll be a forward more than a ruck. Needs to put on a lot of weight and muscle though. Contests well for his build and is a nice mark.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on June 11, 2014, 09:24:54 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-11/rookie-watch

The above article was a great read (for all clubs).

We all obviously know a bit about Jetta and Georgiou by now, but what do Dees fans think of Harmes and King? Do you guys think they'll ever become long term players at Melbourne?

Personally, I really like the look of Harmes.

Harmes looks like a very good player. Has the right attributes. Personally thought he was on his way to an early elevation and debut, but that injury set him back a little.

King I can see as a long term player, but I reckon he'll be a forward more than a ruck. Needs to put on a lot of weight and muscle though. Contests well for his build and is a nice mark.
If the Dees only elevate one player off the rookie list, who would you like it to be - I'd assume one of Jetta or Georgiou?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 11, 2014, 09:48:58 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-11/rookie-watch

The above article was a great read (for all clubs).

We all obviously know a bit about Jetta and Georgiou by now, but what do Dees fans think of Harmes and King? Do you guys think they'll ever become long term players at Melbourne?

Personally, I really like the look of Harmes.

Harmes looks like a very good player. Has the right attributes. Personally thought he was on his way to an early elevation and debut, but that injury set him back a little.

King I can see as a long term player, but I reckon he'll be a forward more than a ruck. Needs to put on a lot of weight and muscle though. Contests well for his build and is a nice mark.
If the Dees only elevate one player off the rookie list, who would you like it to be - I'd assume one of Jetta or Georgiou?

If we didn't have an excessive list of good KPD's then I'd say Georgiou. If all was equal, and therefore it was simply rookie v rookie then I'd say Jetta has earned it.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: My Chumps on June 12, 2014, 04:28:17 AM
Must say, I do love seeing Melbourne supporters up and about and excited for the future!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ringo on June 12, 2014, 08:05:05 AM
As I have said previously looking forward to the clash of Melbourne and Brisbane in August where imo the stars of the future will clash and give both clubs an idea of where they are.  Wish it was at the Gabba though not Ethad but thats the draw.

Have pinched your idea and started a best 12 list in the Brisbane thread.  Both teams on the up and can see both playing finals sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 12, 2014, 08:41:32 AM
It's good to know we're going in the right direction and now have a game plan that works.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 12, 2014, 05:39:07 PM
Well done Melbourne.

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Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 12, 2014, 05:50:42 PM
On another note, Sylvia gets his first game for Freo, could be an interesting watch.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 12, 2014, 05:51:17 PM
God I hope Nicholson doesn't play ahead of the other ins
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 12, 2014, 05:52:01 PM
On another note, Sylvia gets his first game for Freo, could be an interesting watch.


I was a very happy man when he left. At the time, I haven't been that happy since Melb traded Cale.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 12, 2014, 07:01:11 PM
On another note, Sylvia gets his first game for Freo, could be an interesting watch.


I was a very happy man when he left. At the time, I haven't been that happy since Melb traded Cale.

Vince has already played about 18 times better than Sylvia ever did
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 12, 2014, 07:28:25 PM
On another note, Sylvia gets his first game for Freo, could be an interesting watch.


I was a very happy man when he left. At the time, I haven't been that happy since Melb traded Cale.

Vince has already played about 18 times better than Sylvia ever did

The most satisfying thing about it, if it isn't Vince, is that (obviously I don't know for sure but confident in) Sylvia thinking he was a big fish in small pond and only had to throw in a good performance or two to stay, so he goes to a big team in Freo...

And can't get a game! (injuries aside)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Noz on June 12, 2014, 07:30:30 PM
Melbourne will win this week.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mat0369 on June 12, 2014, 07:34:23 PM
I was thinking that too with no Jobe. Then again Essendon have had a habit of busting out huge games when the ASADA stuff comes out
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 12, 2014, 08:06:23 PM
I was thinking that too with no Jobe. Then again Essendon have had a habit of busting out huge games when the ASADA stuff comes out

We also have a habit of beating Essendon.  :)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 15, 2014, 06:20:39 PM
Wow   :D
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on June 15, 2014, 06:23:44 PM
Got there in the end, glad I tipped them as well.

Certainly scared me though! Stellar games from Viney and Dunn
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on June 15, 2014, 06:24:28 PM
Dunn's surely gotta be All-Australian.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 15, 2014, 06:30:26 PM
Dunn's surely gotta be All-Australian.

I suggested that to ossie and he basically shot me down ::)

But hey, Collingwood lost today!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 15, 2014, 06:31:57 PM
Dean Kent's going to be a super asset from here on in. Basically a huge upgrade on what Byrnes was doing early in the year. He also pushes further into, and plays for longer, in the midfield.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on June 15, 2014, 06:32:49 PM
Dunn's surely gotta be All-Australian.

I suggested that to ossie and he basically shot me down ::)

But hey, Collingwood lost today!
Totally different player to what he used to be.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 15, 2014, 06:38:08 PM
I'm slightly confident of being North at the G. Hoping we do anyway.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on June 15, 2014, 06:41:40 PM
Unfortunately you guys seem to be facing North on their "switched on" week haha
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 15, 2014, 06:42:35 PM
Unfortunately you guys seem to be facing North on their "switched on" week haha

Thats my main worry.  :(
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 15, 2014, 06:47:09 PM
And extreme Kudos for Salem for keeping cool, calm and collected in slotting that goal
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 15, 2014, 06:50:47 PM
And it would be a crime not to acknowledge the 4-quarter stunning on-field leadership by the ultimate professional in Daniel Cross.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on June 15, 2014, 07:32:30 PM
YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSS!

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Master Q on June 15, 2014, 08:12:40 PM
Watched the game with a couple Demon friends today. Fair to say they went wild.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 16, 2014, 11:08:03 AM
I thought it was gone at half time 30 something points down. But I must say it was a good effort to come back from there. They really attacked hard in the last quarter.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 26, 2014, 07:36:36 PM
No Cross, no Mckenzie, Dom Barry named in the squad after doing some run-with roles in the VFL. Could be a chance to debut this week and take Libba? Personally I don't think he should as part of being a tagger is making your direct opponent accountable for you, which clearly didn't happen when he had only 8 disposals on the weekend. Do we just run without a tagger this week though?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ziplock on June 26, 2014, 08:16:36 PM
No Cross, no Mckenzie, Dom Barry named in the squad after doing some run-with roles in the VFL. Could be a chance to debut this week and take Libba? Personally I don't think he should as part of being a tagger is making your direct opponent accountable for you, which clearly didn't happen when he had only 8 disposals on the weekend. Do we just run without a tagger this week though?

Think of the point of tagging as making your opponent go comparatively worse than you :P

For instance, if you normally average 15 disposals a game, and your opponent normally averages 30, and you collect 8 disposals while tagging him while he only gets 10, then you've done your job :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 26, 2014, 08:23:43 PM
Although by him tagging in the midfield, he is taking himself out of the game and taking the spot of someone who could actually damage the opposition.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ziplock on June 26, 2014, 10:52:04 PM
Although by him tagging in the midfield, he is taking himself out of the game and taking the spot of someone who could actually damage the opposition.

you still have to look at it as a differential

does barry's decreased output and decreased output of his opponent compensate for the higher output another player would have and the influence they'd have on their opponent?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 27, 2014, 08:05:12 AM
I really think Barry hasn't earned a senior debut. Before he was used as a tagger, he never got more than 15 disposals in a match, and now that he is tagging, gets less than that. I don't rate him.

I was very surprised Michie or Blease wasn't named. I would have thought Michie would have been the right fit to replace Cross, and maybe Blease could do some damage off half back like he has reportedly been doing at Casey.

Will also be disappointed if BOTH Terlich and Nicholson are named. They both play half back and both make bad decisions with the ball. Hell, I'd even name Toumpas ahead of them.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 27, 2014, 09:07:49 AM
I really think Barry hasn't earned a senior debut. Before he was used as a tagger, he never got more than 15 disposals in a match, and now that he is tagging, gets less than that. I don't rate him.

I was very surprised Michie or Blease wasn't named. I would have thought Michie would have been the right fit to replace Cross, and maybe Blease could do some damage off half back like he has reportedly been doing at Casey.

Will also be disappointed if BOTH Terlich and Nicholson are named. They both play half back and both make bad decisions with the ball. Hell, I'd even name Toumpas ahead of them.

The thing is Blease and Michie have not impressed with their defensive game at Casey. This is key to breaking into a Roos team (which sometimes and be bordering on too defensive). Barry on the other hand does play a two way game, be that the amount of ball he gets limits his attacking abilities. This attacking side of the game, is what had Jordie missing out on games, but the thing is unlike Jordie, Barry has a good skill set and uses the ball a lot better. This allows Barry to have lesser disposal counts and still impact the game more (in an attacking sense) than Cross and McKenzie.

Would be very surprised if Barry tags Libba, as he doesn't have the body yet. Would be more likely that he'll go to Macrae or will be an emergency given that Griffen is out now. I expect Vince to be playing a negating role this week on Libba (or even Grimes- which would open up a spot for Terlich in the back line).

Who knows, maybe Barry comes in as the sub, avoids tagging, and Roos just wants to reward him for his two way play and role playing at Casey.

I reckon it'll be Terlich and Barry in, for the two forced changes. Vince and Grimes will both tag Libba at some point, with Grimes going to Dahl at stages. Barry to tag Macrae for the game.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 27, 2014, 09:23:46 AM
Yeah fair calls, good points.

I reckon Blease was one consistent half away from playing this week... had 22 disposals in first half, then 7 in the next.

Still, will give Barry a chance. Was rated a second round draft pick I think when he came to the club.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 27, 2014, 03:09:05 PM
Yeh good points mtty.
On Blease though, the review says that he started to take the ball sideways and backwards. But isn't maintaining possession a good thing if no one is presenting ahead?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 27, 2014, 04:33:40 PM
Yeh good points mtty.
On Blease though, the review says that he started to take the ball sideways and backwards. But isn't maintaining possession a good thing if no one is presenting ahead?

Definitely is, as that's what we've been doing at AFL level. Particularly early.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 27, 2014, 04:38:49 PM
Yeh good points mtty.
On Blease though, the review says that he started to take the ball sideways and backwards. But isn't maintaining possession a good thing if no one is presenting ahead?

Definitely is, as that's what we've been doing at AFL level. Particularly early.

And yet they talk about it as if it's a negative thing for Blease?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 27, 2014, 04:44:26 PM
Yeh good points mtty.
On Blease though, the review says that he started to take the ball sideways and backwards. But isn't maintaining possession a good thing if no one is presenting ahead?

Definitely is, as that's what we've been doing at AFL level. Particularly early.

And yet they talk about it as if it's a negative thing for Blease?

Yep, really don't get that. Also i've heard rumours about the VFL coach being completely against the player playing Roos' possession brand of football.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 27, 2014, 05:00:35 PM
So

Nicholson, Gawn, Terlich and Barry in

Means a couple of things:

- Frawley to play back
- Gawn to play Full forward with stints in the ruck
- Nicholson the likely sub
- Barry to tag
- Grimes to play midfield (and probably tag)
- Terlich to slot into the back 6.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 27, 2014, 06:11:18 PM
Am hoping Nicholson will tag instead of Grimes  :-\

Very surprised to see Georgiou not brought in for TMac

So in that case, yeah I do agree with you about Gawn/Frawley MTTY. Will be interesting to see how those two play in those positions.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 29, 2014, 11:00:45 AM
Barry the sub  ???

But... he is a tagger... has actually never made an offensive impact in VFL? Or at least recently?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 29, 2014, 02:11:01 PM
Barry the sub  ???

But... he is a tagger... has actually never made an offensive impact in VFL? Or at least recently?

He'll probably come on and play a role on the wing late. His ball use will be a good asset in the dying stages. Still an unusual choice.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on June 29, 2014, 02:14:18 PM
Chris Dawes, the guy is so important when he's up and about.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 29, 2014, 02:51:16 PM
More skill errors than Auskickers. What a shameful display.

I don't feel as hurt as I do disgusted with the demons today.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on June 29, 2014, 02:57:28 PM
does the Terlich injury open up a door for Clisby ?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 29, 2014, 03:00:22 PM
does the Terlich injury open up a door for Clisby ?

I think Clisby's only just coming back from an injury, so he'll be at least a few weeks away. I'd expect a half forward will come in as sub and Barry will start. Terlich was playing as a defensive half forward today, which is the role Barry (or Strauss, could come in) will play.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 29, 2014, 05:07:26 PM
Couldn't watch the game but I just got back and read the afl article and watched Roo's presser. I really hate this 'we started poorly' crap. Happens all too often and I remember reading it after almost every match last year. A few questions though.
I get that the umpiring was bad but was it at least consistent?
Who tagged Libba?
How did Barry look?
Will Gawn get a game next week?

Thanks guys - Looks like we have an ugly three rounds coming up as well  :-\

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 29, 2014, 05:24:12 PM
Couldn't watch the game but I just got back and read the afl article and watched Roo's presser. I really hate this 'we started poorly' crap. Happens all too often and I remember reading it after almost every match last year. A few questions though.
I get that the umpiring was bad but was it at least consistent?
Who tagged Libba?
How did Barry look?
Will Gawn get a game next week?

Thanks guys - Looks like we have an ugly three rounds coming up as well  :-\

Only saw the last quarter, so can only comment on a few of your points.

I'm pretty sure Viney started tagging Libba, but it seemed like the tagged was loosened in the last quarter or so. Possibly also Viney getting tired, which turned it into more of a head to head.

I liked Barry's game. Started slowly, by roaming around (particularly around the 50m arc). He started to get involved in the game, by playing around and in the packs, when we pushed forward. May not have had many disposals, but was excellent in his pressure acts and willingness to compete. Should play next week.

If McDonald plays next week then no, Gawn won't play. I believe he was simply in the team due to Frawley playing back, thus Gawn was our best second/third forward option. It simply came down to Roos preferring Frawley in defence and Gawn up front, as opposed to Georgiou down back and Frawley up front. Could also still be out next week, if Roos changes this preference.

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 29, 2014, 05:38:33 PM
Thought Gawn actually played alright.

Dawes... needs to start marking them.

Nathan Jones started slowly but got better as the game wore on.

Viney did a great job tagging libba. He did it all game.

Umpires have been worse.

Melbourne gifted more presents than santa. So many stupid skill errors that I don't see in other teams, at least not as frequent.

Thought Jack Grimes was actually our best. Him or Howe.

Nev Jetta and Pedersen continued their solid form. Great years.


I'm not over-exaggerating when I say this, but I think if melbourne didn't waste their opportunities and gift goals to the dogs, we would have won by 6 goals.

Still, the doggies clearly deserved to win.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 29, 2014, 06:55:42 PM
does the Terlich injury open up a door for Clisby ?

I think Clisby's only just coming back from an injury, so he'll be at least a few weeks away. I'd expect a half forward will come in as sub and Barry will start. Terlich was playing as a defensive half forward today, which is the role Barry (or Strauss, could come in) will play.

Clisby actually played in the VFL this week and was good. I still reckon he's a few weeks away, but you never know.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 29, 2014, 07:17:34 PM
Would love to have a look at the Roos-version of Clisby. I would prefer him over Nicholson, maybe Terlich.

JKH 31 disposals and Tappy 30 in that 80 point loss, senior considerations? Tappy has put in a few good weeks in now numbers wise, JKH is a needed livewire IMO.

I also wouldn't mind Salem being our super sub for the rest of the year. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy, but he seems to have made an impact each time he has been a sub, but seems to struggle in a full game (his port adelaide performance aside).
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 29, 2014, 07:51:46 PM
Interesting thoughts. I think our contested game really covers up our poor disposal but sometimes it does show through. What I would do to have someone of Mcveigh's ilk running around off half-back  ::) Will be interested to see what Barry can do in a full game, he is a bit of an unknown quantity. Also wondering if Viney will be used more as a tagger now or if his success was more due to Libba's inexperience with being tagged.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 29, 2014, 08:31:22 PM
Interesting thoughts. I think our contested game really covers up our poor disposal but sometimes it does show through. What I would do to have someone of Mcveigh's ilk running around off half-back  ::) Will be interested to see what Barry can do in a full game, he is a bit of an unknown quantity. Also wondering if Viney will be used more as a tagger now or if his success was more due to Libba's inexperience with being tagged.

I reckon it's a bit of both. Libba has struggled with the tag, in the limited games he's actually been tagged. While Viney's hard-nosed and contested approach opens up a very different way of tagging someone. I reckon McKenzie will be back to tagging next week though.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 29, 2014, 08:35:29 PM
What do you want the changes to read next week BM and MTTY?

I would like to see:

In: McKenzie, McDonald (if fit), JKH

out: nicholson, gawn (although thought he was OK), terlich


JKH is a better fit as a pressure forward than Terlich.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on June 29, 2014, 08:51:35 PM
I'd like to see (but doubt there'll be this many, as Roos is known for limiting his changes):

In: McKenzie, JKH, Georgiou, McDonald

Out: Terlich (inj), Garland (rest), Gawn (omitted), Nicholson (omitted)

Start Salem as the sub, and play Barry.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 29, 2014, 08:56:22 PM
Was just about to post Salem out and Tappy in as well, he definitely needs a rest and to find some confidence and Tappy seems to have been a standout today - I think 4 changes isn't out of question especially considering the changes should actually be bettering the team, rather than just 'rearranging the deck chairs'
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 03, 2014, 07:46:21 PM
IN: Tom McDonald, Jordie McKenzie

OUT: Neville Jetta (Suspension), Daniel Nicholson (Omitted)

EMERGENCIES
26 Daniel Nicholson
35 Luke Tapscott
41 Alex Georgiou

 :-\

Can't argue the ins and outs, I just don't think there was enough of them. I know Roos likes to make the least amount of changes possible, but I sorta though Tapscott and JKH really earned a call up, just from hearing comments about them in the VFL. Bail and Garland seem to need a rest as well IMO, and I would have thought Georgiou and Tapscott could have come in for them. Could even say JKH could have come in for either Salem or Kent whom have struggled in the past two weeks since their outstanding Essendon game.

I'm all for team stability, but I thought more changes were warranted through hard work in the VFL and slumped form in the AFL.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 04, 2014, 04:06:52 PM
I've been reading a bit on Demonland today and the majority view seems to be that Frawley will leave. Some even suggesting that Roos already knows this and that is why Frawley has been playing forward this year (To fast forward Mcdonald's development) - although i'm pretty sure Roos just picks the best team possible. Obviously we all would like him to stay, but I don't think his departure would be as big of an issue as it once would have been. And with the compensation pick and our own pick, we would probably be able to pick up the two best midfielders in the draft.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 04, 2014, 04:51:21 PM
I've been reading a bit on Demonland today and the majority view seems to be that Frawley will leave. Some even suggesting that Roos already knows this and that is why Frawley has been playing forward this year (To fast forward Mcdonald's development) - although i'm pretty sure Roos just picks the best team possible. Obviously we all would like him to stay, but I don't think his departure would be as big of an issue as it once would have been. And with the compensation pick and our own pick, we would probably be able to pick up the two best midfielders in the draft.

Yeah I saw that too ( by the quite vicious posters ) on Demonland.

I think of what a herald sun writer said;

"Not often do you trade in an 8 year old commodore for a brand new ferrari."

I do think that as each week passes, our reliance on Frawley decreases. However, I really want him to stay. Big and able key position players don't grow on trees, and at his best, he is an All-Australian defender and a quite capable 2nd or 3rd forward.

In the event Frawley does leave, I would put money on melbourne trading one of the picks away. Maybe in a Dom Tyson deal with GWS for O'Rourke or Shiel.

Hell, maybe even both for Dangerman?

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: JBs-Hawks on July 04, 2014, 05:11:19 PM
If you had two top 10 picks would you grab two mids or one mid and one key defender?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 04, 2014, 05:31:37 PM
If you had two top 10 picks would you grab two mids or one mid and one key defender?

2 mids IMO. I rate our defense, even without Frawley.

In the ideal world, the clubs that finish below us will take KPPs, and we will get the two best mids  8)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on July 04, 2014, 07:10:30 PM
Obviously I want Frawley to stay, but in the case he were to leave it would not be the end of the world. Most likely, as has been stated, we gain an extra top 5 or 10 pick. Our defence would continue to be fine, without Frawley, however I think our forward line would take a hit.

Although we have Hogan, Frawley adds structure to our forward line, in that he provides a speedy leading marking forward. I feel if he goes, then we have to trade for a similar player for that role.

On the side of draft picks, i'd be inclined to draft Petracca and Brayshaw if they are both still there at our picks.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ringo on July 05, 2014, 06:36:11 AM
Think you should be safe with one of those MTTY.  Who knows who GWS will draft though, but Brisbane and Saints will be more than likely drafting a KPP Forward, (Will tear up my membership if we do not pick either McCartin, Wright, Durdin or Goddard with our first pick)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 08, 2014, 05:47:50 PM
What are we thinking the changes should be for the Geelong match Dees' trust?

Would like this to happen:

IN: JKH, Blease, Tapscott

OUT: Gawn, Terlich, Barry

SUB: Salem

I really think Barry is just not ready. I wouldn't be opposed to have him starting though and give him a proper go to do the job he has been performing well in (tagging). He could tag someone like Christensen maybe?

Gawn was very disappointing, highlighted by a 1v1 and his inability to mark the ball in Q1 against (I forget the docker players' name) his opponent who was 23 cm shorter than him. He was standing behind him and was even in a good position to mark...

I'm pretty much over Terlich. He is a slightly better Nicholson, but the guy has horrible decision making, and if it isn't that, then he has atrocious skill levels. Has often been guilty of not following the way we want to play with attempts at kicking the ball in the centre, only to turn it over with his poor skill by foot.

Still think Salem is an excellent sub. Each game he has been the sub, he has really delivered. Whereas he has struggled to play well for a full game barring his port adelaide match. I'm a big fan of this gem.



And MTTY, I should be ashamed. After acknowledging that I was wrong about Kent, I started to doubt his ability again after two poor performances in a row, but he really was good for the whole match against freo, even stuff like following up the ball and applying pressure, which is the stuff that really impressed me, more-so than his running goal.

He has a place in the Dees future  8)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on July 08, 2014, 05:59:30 PM
in the 'in the mix' article this week they said Blease's disposal was bad so i doubt Roos will want him in
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 08, 2014, 06:52:23 PM
I definitely think Salem needs to be either dropped for a few weeks or at least be made the sub. Needs to get a bit of confidence back as well as consistency in his game.
On JKH, that's a few games in a row now where he has played well so I think he should make the side this week too. He had the 3rd most tackles this week as well which was good.
I would like to see Blease in the side as I think he could have a much better impact than Terlich, but I don't think he will make the side until Roos is completely happy with him. I guess he is trying to teach him that he has to work hard to get a spot in the senior team.
Riley played well, but I would like to see a few more good games from him before he gets a spot in the senior team. His urgency around the contest seems to be really good at VFL level (shown by his tackle numbers) but he needs to prove that he is actually able to bring that to AFL level.

IN: Jetta, JKH, Tapscott
OUT: Terlich, Barry, Gawn (Still keeping Salem in the side as we know Roos doesn't like to make a lot of changes, although I think Riley would be the one to come in for him if anyone)

As a side note: What the hell is going on with Michie? He didn't even attempt a tackle on the weekend
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on July 09, 2014, 12:07:23 AM
Please bring Georgiou in!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 09, 2014, 08:19:04 AM
Completely forgot about Jetta! Of course he will come in.

And yeah, Michie has been disappointing this year, after his freo-departure hype.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: TomK on July 09, 2014, 04:03:10 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-09/toumpas-struck-down

MELBOURNE youngster Jimmy Toumpas has been diagnosed with acute appendicitis and will miss the next four to six weeks.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 09, 2014, 04:05:28 PM
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-07-09/toumpas-evans-out-for-four-to-six-weeks (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-07-09/toumpas-evans-out-for-four-to-six-weeks)

Meh.

Shame Toumpas misses out on VFL experience, but he wasn't even making the most of that IMO. Just going through the motions...

Do you think he will be a long-term demon dees' trust? Starting to have doubts, because he just has no confidence atm and it could lead him to go back home to SA where he would supposedly be more comfortable.

I don't want him to go on principle more than anything, coz I don't want another high draft pick exiting the club, and I reckon it would be another Jared Polec situation where we would sell him cheap, only for him to go and flourish elsewhere.

Despite my criticisms, I haven't given up on him yet. He is only young, and has comparable early career stats to Jobe Watson and even GAJ if you use the AFL footywire website. It's just the fact that he can even let himself be down on confidence annoys me; signs of a weak character. Would never happen to Viney.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 09, 2014, 04:06:38 PM
Ah, beat me to it TomK :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on July 09, 2014, 05:26:58 PM
I'd like the changes to be:

IN: Tapscott, Jetta and JKH

Out: Salem, Terlich and Gawn

- Roos tends to give new players a couple of games as sub, before starting them. I expect Barry to start, but probably be red-vested if his performance his sub par.

- Jetta back from suspension and is simply a better player than Terlich, who plays the same position.

- Too tall up front I think, I reckon JKH will be a straight swap for Gawn, with Pedersen to help out in the ruck. Either that or Frawley plays forward and Terlich stays (keeping JKH out) or Georgiou comes in instead of JKH.

- Salem needs VFL games. Less intense stuff to rest up a little.

- I reckon Jetta and Tapscott are certainties to play, with Tapscott getting the sub vest.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on July 09, 2014, 06:21:31 PM
I reckon Toumpas will go home to tbag's delight.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on July 09, 2014, 06:29:06 PM
Port will take pity on Melbourne and trade Wines for Toumpas
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 09, 2014, 06:41:33 PM
Port will take pity on Melbourne and trade Wines for Toumpas

Although Wines looks a much better pick in hindsight, I can see why we drafted Toumpas. A lot of our players have very poor skills and it really hurts when rebounding off half back. We desperately need players who can consistently hit targets, and Toumpas was supposed to be able to fill that role eventually. However, as much as I hope he can make it, he hasn't shown that he has the work ethic required for afl.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 09, 2014, 07:54:29 PM
Couldn't help but giggle at a demonland post.

He suggested Toumpas didn't have appendicitis, rather appendagast  ;D ;D ;D

Again, haven't given up on him, but thought that was rather clever and hilarious  :P

*For those who don't know, Barry Prendergast was our old recruiting manager who recruited a lot of high draft picks now not playing on an AFL list*
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 10, 2014, 11:27:53 AM
I think Jetta and JKH need to come back. Even for a trial I'd like to see both of them roving around the forward line to pick up the scraps.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 12, 2014, 03:25:50 PM
Left at 3 qtr time  :P We really need this split round

I didn't see the first half. But looking at Demonland they are calling for a priority pick, Schwab, Craig Cameron and Prendergast to be sued, trade Watts for 50 cents, delist all demons on the 2011 list (aside from Jones), among-st just the usual verbal attacks.

Surely it either must have been THAT bad, or I am embarrassed to be associated by these people that make such ridiculous calls. If we win next week, they are the sort of people that would be saying the EXACT opposite. So quickly that we forget the massive improvement this year, I'm disappointed of course, but 2 consecutive bad games doesn't mean we haven't made that improvement. Lets keep this in perspective, you stupid Demonland posters.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 12, 2014, 04:48:56 PM
Yeh they get pretty crazy over there at this time of year.

 The AFL allows itself to be influenced by club lobbying so there is no chance of a priority pick for us, but I can see why those on Demonland demand one every year. Surely no one will ever be deserving of one again? At least not after the precedent currently being set.

About the game - It was a very, very bad first half. Geelong were going half pace and still destroying us. Hurried kicks out of defense and when they actually landed in a Melbourne player's arms, no one was leading up forward. They did pick up a bit in the second half but it still wasn't good footy. During the 2nd quarter Frawley was soundly out bodied by Hawkins twice in a row and I saw him just shrug his shoulders at another Melbourne player. Pretty much summed up the game, we just weren't good enough to compete with them.

I understand the hate for Watts given he was a no.1 pick but people need to understand that he is not a contested ball winning player. His uncontested game is why people rate him and Melbourne just doesn't get enough of the ball for him to use his skills on a consistent basis.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ziplock on July 13, 2014, 06:47:48 PM
Yeh they get pretty crazy over there at this time of year.

 The AFL allows itself to be influenced by club lobbying so there is no chance of a priority pick for us, but I can see why those on Demonland demand one every year. Surely no one will ever be deserving of one again? At least not after the precedent currently being set.

About the game - It was a very, very bad first half. Geelong were going half pace and still destroying us. Hurried kicks out of defense and when they actually landed in a Melbourne player's arms, no one was leading up forward. They did pick up a bit in the second half but it still wasn't good footy. During the 2nd quarter Frawley was soundly out bodied by Hawkins twice in a row and I saw him just shrug his shoulders at another Melbourne player. Pretty much summed up the game, we just weren't good enough to compete with them.

I understand the hate for Watts given he was a no.1 pick but people need to understand that he is not a contested ball winning player. His uncontested game is why people rate him and Melbourne just doesn't get enough of the ball for him to use his skills on a consistent basis.

Melbourne deserved a priority pick last year- since they didn't get it, they probably won't get one this year.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on July 15, 2014, 06:20:52 PM
I have always had faith in Watts, will be a quality player! 8)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 15, 2014, 07:15:26 PM
Surely Gawn deserves a recall after his performance?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 15, 2014, 07:41:04 PM
Surely Gawn deserves a recall after his performance?

Read the VFL reviews... they weren't overly impressed it seems. Seems like most of the hit outs were ineffective and easily won because the opposing ruckman were short.


My favourite review was Blease, seeing 25+ disposals, 2 goals and 6 tackles! I think that ticks every box to play seniors, so lets get him in!


Reckon the changes should be:

IN: Blease, JKH
OUT: Terlich, Bail

Starting to think Bail isn't as good as what I was led to believe earlier in the year, but he definitely has improved.

VFL Player Review Round 14 (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-07-15/vfl-player-review-round-14)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 15, 2014, 08:14:13 PM
Oh okay - The melb website isn't loading for me for some reason :/

That does seem to be a reoccurring theme with Gawn, not sure if he just doesn't have the peripheral vision or the mids around him don't really know where to run.

I would like to see Blease get a run, would be his last chance you'd think.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 19, 2014, 07:56:13 PM
Gawn with 45 hitouts and 4 goals today. 22 disposals as well. Nicholson also pushing for a recall with 40 disposals
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 20, 2014, 10:56:24 AM
Yep. Gawn well and truly deserves a spot now.

Gonna put that Nicholson performance as an anomaly. But good performance all the same.

Strauss had 33... strange how Nicholson and Strauss combine for 73 disposals!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 21, 2014, 06:58:33 PM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/if-youre-a-melbourne-supporter-look-away-now-demons-draft-bungles-aplenty/story-fni5f91a-1226881324821 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/if-youre-a-melbourne-supporter-look-away-now-demons-draft-bungles-aplenty/story-fni5f91a-1226881324821)

That is all.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 21, 2014, 08:09:20 PM
When I read that stupid article, I was furious. It was after Kelly played 2 games! How can they make definitive career achievements for him after 2 freaking games?! All the while Tyson was getting 25+ disposals and the article made very little mention of a certain gem called Salem.

Sam Edmund should be sacked or made to be forced to apologise, made those stupid calls with not enough knowledge; It's what I thought at time, is what Roos said a few weeks later, and it is what I think now.

I honestly can't understand why people are dismissing that Tyson isn't showing the signs of a star? Have they been paying attention to his year? At the age of 21?

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 21, 2014, 08:17:08 PM
An abhorrent article. And then they mention that Tyson was 10th in the AFL for disposals and 11th for CP's at the time? As if it doesn't count because Kelly could be a brownlow medallist
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mat0369 on July 21, 2014, 09:33:10 PM
I was just listening to Roos on Footy Classified about the succession plan. He said he will be in the job for 3 years max. He wants a successor that has the same views on Footy as himself. The one guy I would instantly think of is Brett Kirk but I just read he signed for 2015 at Freo.

It also looks more then likely that Frawley isn't signing. He won't even look at a deal from Melbourne yet.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 21, 2014, 09:50:44 PM
Roos has had a chat to Ling so he could be a candidate - good footy brain and well liked

Yeh I think you're right about Frawley unfortunately. He claims he's frustrated at being asked about whether he is leaving or staying but he isn't giving the fans any indication. Probably not good for the younger guys either, seeing a leader of the club express their uncertainty about the club's future and not wanting to commit.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mat0369 on July 21, 2014, 09:56:37 PM
Roos has had a chat to Ling so he could be a candidate - good footy brain and well liked

Yeh I think you're right about Frawley unfortunately. He claims he's frustrated at being asked about whether he is leaving or staying but he isn't giving the fans any indication. Probably not good for the younger guys either, seeing a leader of the club express their uncertainty about the club's future and not wanting to commit.

They also played a grab of what Ling said on radio on the weekend. Ling said he was unsure if he wanted to coach and gave an example of he wasn't sure if he could sit there and work through 20 hours of game film in front of a computer a week.  When they spoke to Roos about Ling he said Cam said the exact same thing to him in their meeting. This would mean that Ling is not a candidate for the succession plan and that is not what they spoke to him about, they spoke to Cam about becoming an assistant coach and not the head coach. Also if he is looking for someone with similar philosophies about footy, the Geelong game plan might not necessarily mesh.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 22, 2014, 07:08:30 PM
Roos has had a chat to Ling so he could be a candidate - good footy brain and well liked

Yeh I think you're right about Frawley unfortunately. He claims he's frustrated at being asked about whether he is leaving or staying but he isn't giving the fans any indication. Probably not good for the younger guys either, seeing a leader of the club express their uncertainty about the club's future and not wanting to commit.

They also played a grab of what Ling said on radio on the weekend. Ling said he was unsure if he wanted to coach and gave an example of he wasn't sure if he could sit there and work through 20 hours of game film in front of a computer a week.  When they spoke to Roos about Ling he said Cam said the exact same thing to him in their meeting. This would mean that Ling is not a candidate for the succession plan and that is not what they spoke to him about, they spoke to Cam about becoming an assistant coach and not the head coach. Also if he is looking for someone with similar philosophies about footy, the Geelong game plan might not necessarily mesh.

Yeh good points - you've thought about it more than me I think  :P Maybe one of the assistant coaches could step up? The defensive coach especially has done very well this year, name is escaping me though - has a few years in the system as well from memory
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on July 22, 2014, 07:31:47 PM
Just let him leave, the compo you'll get will be worth more to Roos
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on July 22, 2014, 07:32:14 PM
Roos has had a chat to Ling so he could be a candidate - good footy brain and well liked

Yeh I think you're right about Frawley unfortunately. He claims he's frustrated at being asked about whether he is leaving or staying but he isn't giving the fans any indication. Probably not good for the younger guys either, seeing a leader of the club express their uncertainty about the club's future and not wanting to commit.

They also played a grab of what Ling said on radio on the weekend. Ling said he was unsure if he wanted to coach and gave an example of he wasn't sure if he could sit there and work through 20 hours of game film in front of a computer a week.  When they spoke to Roos about Ling he said Cam said the exact same thing to him in their meeting. This would mean that Ling is not a candidate for the succession plan and that is not what they spoke to him about, they spoke to Cam about becoming an assistant coach and not the head coach. Also if he is looking for someone with similar philosophies about footy, the Geelong game plan might not necessarily mesh.

Yeh good points - you've thought about it more than me I think  :P Maybe one of the assistant coaches could step up? The defensive coach especially has done very well this year, name is escaping me though - has a few years in the system as well from memory

Jade Rawlings, I believe Big Mac.  :)

Wouldn't mind him taking over at all. I believe he was a caretaker coach for Richmond once too.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on July 22, 2014, 07:41:54 PM
a facebook page is claiming Melbourne are front runners to acquire Jeremy Cameron

the page just spreads rumours and stuff but this one isn't that hard to believe
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 22, 2014, 07:48:51 PM
I would probably cry with happiness if that happened kb but I just don't think it will - He's a very talented player and one that will attract people to come to GWS games in the future - which is exactly what the AFL needs to expand the comp, and what GWS needs to eventually stand on their own two feet
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 23, 2014, 08:36:08 AM
I would probably cry with happiness if that happened kb but I just don't think it will - He's a very talented player and one that will attract people to come to GWS games in the future - which is exactly what the AFL needs to expand the comp, and what GWS needs to eventually stand on their own two feet

I too, would cry with happiness.

But also think it probably won't happen  :(

Think the Dees are more likely to go and poach 1 or 2 more GWS midfielders... Shiel has been linked to us for a long time, and I'd take the punt on Jon O'Rourke as well. Is out of contract, played very few games, former draft pick number 2, victorian...

Could we pull off a second round draft pick for O'Rourke steal? Worked OK for  Polec and mummies boys...
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on July 23, 2014, 08:57:06 AM
far out, imagine a forward line of Cameron, Hogan and Dawes
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 24, 2014, 06:23:36 AM
far out, imagine a forward line of Cameron, Hogan and Dawes

Hence the crying with happiness  :P

Even though I don't think we'll get him, I hope Melbourne are offering GWS every deal under the sun to land JC and Shiel
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on July 24, 2014, 08:47:21 AM
far out, imagine a forward line of Cameron, Hogan and Dawes

Hence the crying with happiness  :P

Even though I don't think we'll get him, I hope Melbourne are offering GWS every deal under the sun to land JC and Shiel
haha I would too. We've been trying to land a gun fwd for years. Just can't get them to come to sunny WA
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ziplock on July 24, 2014, 10:56:50 AM
far out, imagine a forward line of Cameron, Hogan and Dawes

Hence the crying with happiness  :P

Even though I don't think we'll get him, I hope Melbourne are offering GWS every deal under the sun to land JC and Shiel
haha I would too. We've been trying to land a gun fwd for years. Just can't get them to come to sunny WA

You'd have to offer a ridiculous amount to get both of them...
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 26, 2014, 08:16:08 AM
http://instagram.com/p/q0jrmWuXJN/ (http://instagram.com/p/q0jrmWuXJN/)

Tyson getting in Tomlinson's ear?  :P  ;)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 26, 2014, 09:08:28 AM
http://instagram.com/p/q0jrmWuXJN/ (http://instagram.com/p/q0jrmWuXJN/)

Tyson getting in Tomlinson's ear?  :P  ;)

 :P he wouldn't be too bad actually, could maybe fill Clark's void (or try to at least)?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on July 28, 2014, 01:26:53 PM
Mark Robbo just stated that Paul Roos has signed on for a 3rd year
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 29, 2014, 09:14:39 AM
Very pleasing news, as I'm sure it is for all dees supporters
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 31, 2014, 08:25:10 AM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-30/okeefe-open-to-offers (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-30/okeefe-open-to-offers)

For some strange reason, I just feel like he will be playing for us next year.

Wouldn't be the worst idea in the world. He's old, sure. But hey, that would mean tougher competition for midfield spots, more instant competitiveness... I guess we need to inject some more experience in our team with Byrnes gone. I like to believe he had a valuable off-field contribution, so thank you Byrnes.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on July 31, 2014, 08:28:01 AM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-30/okeefe-open-to-offers (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-07-30/okeefe-open-to-offers)

For some strange reason, I just feel like he will be playing for us next year.

Wouldn't be the worst idea in the world. He's old, sure. But hey, that would mean tougher competition for midfield spots, more instant competitiveness... I guess we need to inject some more experience in our team with Byrnes gone. I like to believe he had a valuable off-field contribution, so thank you Byrnes.

i think you would be better off playing him forward
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on July 31, 2014, 08:32:08 AM
I'm still not sure I understand why Melb would go after guys like Malceski and ROK. Sure they add experience and can teach the kids for the couple of years they would be there, but they don't seem like a right fit for Melb imo
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 31, 2014, 11:04:33 AM
I'm still not sure I understand why Melb would go after guys like Malceski and ROK. Sure they add experience and can teach the kids for the couple of years they would be there, but they don't seem like a right fit for Melb imo

Valid point, and I had the same view for a number of years. But, given the success of Cross, and I guess you could say Vince (who is still has a good few years left), the impact they have had is immeasurable. Not only in terms of instant on-field competitiveness, but just the professionalism and quality they bring to the club. Not many possess that at the Demons, which makes it all the more important to add to our club.

It also makes the younger players fight harder for their spots and releases pressure off them, so I don't really see any negatives in recruiting an old player or 2.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on July 31, 2014, 11:09:53 AM
I'm still not sure I understand why Melb would go after guys like Malceski and ROK. Sure they add experience and can teach the kids for the couple of years they would be there, but they don't seem like a right fit for Melb imo

Valid point, and I had the same view for a number of years. But, given the success of Cross, and I guess you could say Vince (who is still has a good few years left), the impact they have had is immeasurable. Not only in terms of instant on-field competitiveness, but just the professionalism and quality they bring to the club. Not many possess that at the Demons, which makes it all the more important to add to our club.

It also makes the younger players fight harder for their spots and releases pressure off them, so I don't really see any negatives in recruiting an old player or 2.
I was actually thinking of Cross after I typed that. He certainly has added to the club on and off the field. Do you think 1 or 2 more may be a bit too many? Was Cross on a 1 year deal? I guess it comes down to price as well.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mat0369 on July 31, 2014, 11:11:27 AM
O'Keefe would be an on field coach to help implement the game plan.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on July 31, 2014, 11:14:31 AM
O'Keefe would be an on field coach to help implement the game plan.
He'd need to be there for longer than a year then. There's senior guys at Melb who have already been under Roos for a year and would have a much better grasp on the game plan than ROK would coming into a new club. I'm certainly not doubting the leadership and work ethic he would bring to the club but just don't think he is right for Melb.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on July 31, 2014, 11:18:06 AM
Rok did win the norm smith 2 years ago. He can provide as much if not more on what Cross has given
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 31, 2014, 02:32:24 PM
O'Keefe would be an on field coach to help implement the game plan.
He'd need to be there for longer than a year then. There's senior guys at Melb who have already been under Roos for a year and would have a much better grasp on the game plan than ROK would coming into a new club. I'm certainly not doubting the leadership and work ethic he would bring to the club but just don't think he is right for Melb.

Would he though? ROK would be familiar with Roos' coaching, being a premiership player in his tenure.

I think, seeing as Melb only have Cross and Jamar 30 over now, with the retirement of Byrnes, that we can get at least another 1, maybe 2.

Cross will be playing for the Dees next year, he has earned the his second-year clause in his contract.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on July 31, 2014, 02:53:52 PM
O'Keefe would be an on field coach to help implement the game plan.
He'd need to be there for longer than a year then. There's senior guys at Melb who have already been under Roos for a year and would have a much better grasp on the game plan than ROK would coming into a new club. I'm certainly not doubting the leadership and work ethic he would bring to the club but just don't think he is right for Melb.

Would he though? ROK would be familiar with Roos' coaching, being a premiership player in his tenure.

I think, seeing as Melb only have Cross and Jamar 30 over now, with the retirement of Byrnes, that we can get at least another 1, maybe 2.

Cross will be playing for the Dees next year, he has earned the his second-year clause in his contract.
Yeh I would have definitely thought so. I'm sure there are some similarities but it was 4 years ago that he last coached Sydney and with different personal.

I guess I'm looking at it this way, you grab ROK for a year and you gain two main things. 1) his AFL ability on the field 2) leadership and teaching. But since you already have senior boys like Cross, NJones, Dawes, Dunn, Garland, Vince, Jamar, MJones and Frawley (if he stays) who will all be 27+ next year and have had a full preseason and season under Roos already, do you really gain much more leadership or another teacher. As an outsider it only looks like you gain his onfield ability because you already have some experienced heads in your group. But I'm only an outsider so yeh, just my thoughts anyway
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 31, 2014, 03:29:05 PM
He would be a great pickup if he was happy with playing in the reserves but i'm not sure if he would be. Apparently has lost a lot of pace and more slow mids isn't exactly what we need in the seniors. Would be great in terms of setting an example for training standards + work rate but how much more would the players take from him that they don't already get from seeing Cross?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mat0369 on July 31, 2014, 03:41:05 PM
He'd need to be there for longer than a year then. There's senior guys at Melb who have already been under Roos for a year and would have a much better grasp on the game plan than ROK would coming into a new club. I'm certainly not doubting the leadership and work ethic he would bring to the club but just don't think he is right for Melb.

He would either be there one or two years. So he either stays the entire time Roos is coach or he retires after 1. We are talking about a guy that has played most of his football under Paul Roos (9 years), he would have a better understanding of the game plan then a guy that has only played under this system for 1 season. He was a major part of that Swans culture which Roos is now trying to establish at the Dees. As a one or two year signing it would be a good pick up for Melbourne if he came at a vet minimum price
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on July 31, 2014, 03:44:16 PM
He'd need to be there for longer than a year then. There's senior guys at Melb who have already been under Roos for a year and would have a much better grasp on the game plan than ROK would coming into a new club. I'm certainly not doubting the leadership and work ethic he would bring to the club but just don't think he is right for Melb.

He would either be there one or two years. So he either stays the entire time Roos is coach or he retires after 1. We are talking about a guy that has played most of his football under Paul Roos (9 years), he would have a better understanding of the game plan then a guy that has only played under this system for 1 season. He was a major part of that Swans culture which Roos is now trying to establish at the Dees. As a one or two year signing it would be a good pick up for Melbourne if he came at a vet minimum price
Culture and game plan are a fair bit different. Dees gameplan certainly isn't what the Swans was under Roos. Similar yes but completely different personel. Completely agree with you on what he brings in terms of culture/effort/leadership though. Disagree that he suits what Melb need but
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mat0369 on July 31, 2014, 03:56:22 PM
Culture and game plan are a fair bit different. Dees gameplan certainly isn't what the Swans was under Roos. Similar yes but completely different personel. Completely agree with you on what he brings in terms of culture/effort/leadership though. Disagree that he suits what Melb need but

This year he is trying to rebuild them as footballers, get them to do all the basics right and this is in part due to not having the cattle yet. While the personnel is different, Roos wants to get them to play two way defense orientated possession footy which is exactly what he had the Swans doing. While he might not suit the type of player they need on the field, one thing Melbourne has severely lacked the last 4 years is leadership. When Neeld got there one huge mistake he made was letting go of James McDonald. Melbourne have lacked leadership on and off the field since. Jones was one of the only guys that showed leadership capabilities and was passed over as a captain in favour of two younger guys who were not ready for the job. Obviously Roos has started the process in the last 12 months by giving Jones the co-captaincy and by bringing in a couple of mature guys in Vince and Cross. If he was to also bring in O'Keefe that would be massive in that aspect. It would allow the younger guys to mature naturally and step into that role without being thrown into it before they are ready.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on July 31, 2014, 04:07:50 PM
Culture and game plan are a fair bit different. Dees gameplan certainly isn't what the Swans was under Roos. Similar yes but completely different personel. Completely agree with you on what he brings in terms of culture/effort/leadership though. Disagree that he suits what Melb need but

This year he is trying to rebuild them as footballers, get them to do all the basics right and this is in part due to not having the cattle yet. While the personnel is different, Roos wants to get them to play two way defense orientated possession footy which is exactly what he had the Swans doing. While he might not suit the type of player they need on the field, one thing Melbourne has severely lacked the last 4 years is leadership. When Neeld got there one huge mistake he made was letting go of James McDonald. Melbourne have lacked leadership on and off the field since. Jones was one of the only guys that showed leadership capabilities and was passed over as a captain in favour of two younger guys who were not ready for the job. Obviously Roos has started the process in the last 12 months by giving Jones the co-captaincy and by bringing in a couple of mature guys in Vince and Cross. If he was to also bring in O'Keefe that would be massive in that aspect. It would allow the younger guys to mature naturally and step into that role without being thrown into it before they are ready.
Two way footy isn't an aspect of their gameplan that someone like ROK would help. That is built over preseasons in developing the tank and mindset to do it, not necessarily a directional part of a teams game plan. Though agree he would help with onfield leadership and direction when around the footy. Yep they also have lost guys like Moloney, Sylvia, etc which has only put them backwards in terms of experienced players. But as i listed before, Melb already have brought in experience to add to the older group of players. 9 guys who will be 27+ next year, along with guys like JGrimes who will be 26. And as an outsider nearly all of them strike me as leaders by the way they go about it and speak. Surely adding another won't add enough to this group to warrant going after him.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mat0369 on July 31, 2014, 04:31:19 PM
If he came on the cheap he would be worth it. It all depends on his asking price and I think O'Keefe is realistic enough to know that at his age he might have two options. One is to be rookie listed by a club and play as a nominated rookie, the second is that he would have to play at a bare minimum price due to his age. No team in the comp is going to offer up 300k for him to go and play for them, regardless of how much money they have to throw around. I think if he went on the cheap or as a rookie listed player (much like Scotland at Carlton this season), he would be a very handy pick up considering what he brings to the table as a total package, not just onfield performances
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on August 01, 2014, 04:46:10 PM
Jeez, just took a look at our interchange this week:

Kent, Blease, JKH and Riley

I got pretty excited when I saw that, but I have a feeling JKH will be sub  :'(

I love that kid.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on August 01, 2014, 08:53:17 PM
Don't forget, ROK has the flexibility to play as a marking forward (much like Sylvia played, when he was actually playing well). That's been a huge issue for us this season, without Sylvia spending time there and Howe playing back. We've had to rely on the two big forwards to take marks, rather than a medium forward being there to take a few on an undersized opponent.

Would have no issues offering up a 1 year deal to play ROK as a full-time medium sized forward.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on August 03, 2014, 02:37:22 PM
This sense of blinding fury I have at the moment...

I just can't think adequate words to portray my despise for today's performance.

Think I've only been this angry after round 1 this year.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on August 03, 2014, 02:55:23 PM
This sense of blinding fury I have at the moment...

I just can't think adequate words to portray my despise for today's performance.

Think I've only been this angry after round 1 this year.

Nah, it was more devastation Round 1, I have never been this angry this year.


Delistments this year:
Sam Blease
Michael Evans
Daniel Nicholson
James Strauss
Luke Tapscott
Dean Terlich (although not our worst performer today)

Trade for chips:
Rohan Bail
Matt Jones (just a list filler, will never be much)

My current black list (has to do something special to get out of:
Jack Grimes
Aidan Riley (new inductee)


Fury fuelled this, but 8 list changes would be nice. Hopefully, we will get rid of the fodder this year; be realistic.

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on August 03, 2014, 03:14:15 PM
Good post from demonland

Quote
Aside from a 10+ goal loss, how much worse could today have been?
 
Sun, no wind at all, for 51 points.
 
Our opponent didn't score, not once, for 30 minutes. At the end of that period we led by just 7.
 
We had a 14 point lead 7 minutes into the fourth quarter, to lose by 23. A 37-point turnaround in 25 minutes.
 
We lose our 19th consecutive game at Etihad.
 
We had more of the ball, again, but just 34 inside 50s.
 
This is a negative. This is a step backwards.
 
And to think there are people who think we have nothing to lose in these last 5 games.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on August 03, 2014, 03:54:11 PM
Howe was great down back, and Jetta has been a revelation down there. Tommy Mac positioned himself well all day and made some good spoils. Tyson and Jones good as usual. That is all.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on August 03, 2014, 05:15:46 PM
Howe was great down back, and Jetta has been a revelation down there. Tommy Mac positioned himself well all day and made some good spoils. Tyson and Jones good as usual. That is all.

They definitely were the positives. I also think if Kent kicked 3.1 and passed that ball to Dawes instead of kicking a behind, he would have almost been BOG.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: quinny88 on August 03, 2014, 06:15:04 PM
Melbourne just cannot win at etihad  :o
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: GoLions on August 03, 2014, 06:39:07 PM
That was such a terrible game today hahaha. Errors everywhere. No-one could hit a target by foot. You guys managed to score most of the time you went inside 50, our delivery was much poorer. Only real difference that I think separated the 2 sides was that our pressure on the man with the ball was probably a lot better.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on August 04, 2014, 08:43:59 AM
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/paul-roos-says-some-melbourne-players-may-forever-be-haunted-by-clubs-appalling-recent-record/story-fndv8pdq-1227011983900

"I haven't seen anything like that before in my time. The mistakes were extraordinary. Extraordinary," - Roos
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on August 05, 2014, 03:41:50 PM
Loving Gawn's work in the VFL at the moment
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on August 05, 2014, 04:01:50 PM
Loving Gawn's work in the VFL at the moment

That has been a positive. Fitzy is only a little-bit of goal kicking accuracy away from dominating too.

Good to see Michie perform well too.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: LF on August 08, 2014, 12:45:26 PM
Quick question Melbournites
Who do you think might wear the green vest this week?
Just trying to do my team for a comp and have Michie in it.He`ll only be an E but I have another player I can put there instead but I think the other player might get the vest as well haha.

Thanking you in advance
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on August 08, 2014, 02:09:25 PM
Quick question Melbournites
Who do you think might wear the green vest this week?
Just trying to do my team for a comp and have Michie in it.He`ll only be an E but I have another player I can put there instead but I think the other player might get the vest as well haha.

Thanking you in advance

Assuming it comes from the current interchange:
Jack Viney
Viv Michie
Aidan Riley
Dom Barry

I will tell you now it won't be Viney, and judging from the player Riley is, it shouldn't be Riley (although he has been the sub). Dom Barry has played his only 2 games as the sub, and could be likely to get it again, after (IMO) a non-door-crashing string of performances in the VFL. Michie, however, has been playing in the VFL consistently for a good stretch now, so based on that logic, and our need for strong midfielders against Hawthorn, I'm tipping Barry will be the sub (for the third stupid time in a row because he is a tagger).

Could also say that since Riley had an awful, awful, awful game last week (he is in my blacklist atm), that he could get a slap on the wrist in the form of a green vest, so I think Michie will be 3rd in line to be the sub.

Unless Roos does the dog thing and puts JKH the sub, then I won't even watch the game lol
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: LF on August 08, 2014, 02:12:37 PM
Ok thanks purps
Hope JKH isn`t the sub it`s better for you guys if he is on field playing rather than warming the bench for the majority of the match.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on August 08, 2014, 08:17:08 PM
Would definitely agree with Purple re: the sub this week. Also unsure why Barry is back in the side this week, especially considering he was initially named in the development squad last week. Thought he would need several decent games to get back.

On another note, some people on D'land are suggesting that Mitch Robinson would be a good pickup. Personally, I couldn't think of a worse thing to do.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on August 08, 2014, 08:56:16 PM
On another note, some people on D'land are suggesting that Mitch Robinson would be a good pickup. Personally, I couldn't think of a worse thing to do.

Ugh... maybe onfield? I guess he shows that never-say-die attitude, but at the cost of another attitude I guess.


Don't need more players with questionable skill  :-\ but I can see why they linked him with us
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on August 09, 2014, 04:50:08 PM
Have really come to like Kent since his Essendon game. And it's not just the running goals he kicks, it's the pressure he applies as well that has earned my praise.

This kid has a future here; something I would have been far from saying at the start of this year.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on August 09, 2014, 05:01:12 PM
Agreed - I remember coming to the same conclusion last year - might have been after the (2nd?) gold coast game
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on August 10, 2014, 08:24:13 AM
Been a big fan of Kent, since we drafted him. Plays Sylvia's old role well enough. Has a similar body to him, and while he has a lesser marking ability, he puts in a whole lot more than Sylvia did/does.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: stew42 on August 10, 2014, 10:09:10 PM
And probably has a much smaller wage than Sylvia had :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on August 17, 2014, 03:36:53 PM
Would always love to reunite brothers in an AFL club

http://www.mailtimes.com.au/story/2473312/oscar-mcdonald-picked-for-victorian-draft-combine/ (http://www.mailtimes.com.au/story/2473312/oscar-mcdonald-picked-for-victorian-draft-combine/)

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on August 17, 2014, 04:12:58 PM
I guess hindsight is a wonderful thing now, but I'm actually not surprised this has happened.


There is actually a lot of merit to what Paul Roos said about "a team waiting to be beaten." Crazy as it sounds, but I actually think this team fears improvement/winning.

There has been 5-6 matches of when we have been in front in the last quarter and lost.

Will be interesting to see the fallout of this match. Especially what Bernie Vince has to say, seeing as he said "there is no chance the Giants will win their third consecutive match against the Demons this round."

I actually felt a sense of "enough is enough" from the crowd watching it on tv, they were booing every skill error, and giving both Frawley and Dawes bronx cheers.

I am still under a temporary loss of passion after that brisbane game, otherwise I'd be devastated right now.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on August 17, 2014, 07:06:25 PM
What now?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on August 17, 2014, 07:09:25 PM
idec
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on August 18, 2014, 08:52:58 AM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-17/hogan-back-but-no-hero
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: WCarey18 on August 18, 2014, 03:39:08 PM
A question for everyone:

Which was a worse performance?

Geelong v Melbourne, Kardinia Park, 2011 where Melbourne lost by 186 points.

Melbourne v GWS, MCG, 2014 where Melbourne lost by 64 points.

I'm going to go on record and say the latter. Therefore, where does this leave Melbourne?

There is statistics (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-08-14/stats-a-fact-dees-have-come-a-long-way) to show that they have improved since last season, but after the weekend's performance, have Melbourne really improved?

I think if Melbourne want to go any further from here, the need to do five things:

1. Cull any and all on the list that is a "passenger". Melbourne can't afford it any longer, and I'm sure there is a lot of dead weight on the list. Start with Sam Blease.
2. Get rid of James Frawley. Take the cash and hope that the AFL give them a 1st round compo pick.
3. Take a leap from Richmond's drafting strategy - look at how successful Anthony Miles has become. There are plenty of players out there waiting for another chance ie. Sam Iles, Steve Clifton and even Dan Connors. Better rookie picks than Max King, James Harmes, Mitch Clisby and Nathan Stark.
4. Use the Frawley money and draft picks to raid Sydney's list. Take Malceski and some of Tim Membrey, Sam Reid, Dean Towers, Harry Cunningham, Tom Mitchell and those players that are finding it difficult to fit on their list. Sydney will undoubted have to get rid of some players to relieve their salary cap worries, Melbourne would be best to pounce.
5. If Sydney does not budge, look at value in other lists. Liam Anthony from North perhaps? Doubt North would take more than third round pick for him now, but he still has plenty of talent.

Out: Dead weight and James Frawley
In: Sam Iles, Steve Clifton, Dan Connors, Nick Malceski, Sam Reid, Tom Mitchell, Liam Anthony

Doesn't begin to look so bad now, and perhaps Melbourne can finally look like a competitive AFL side.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on August 18, 2014, 03:46:08 PM
sounds good besides Dan Conners
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: WCarey18 on August 18, 2014, 03:53:57 PM
sounds good besides Dan Conners

Has kicked 35 goals from 11 games, and believe it or not is leading the VFL Goalkicking tally.

http://www.foxsportspulse.com/comp_info.cgi?c=1-118-0-294689-0&a=STATS
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on August 18, 2014, 04:13:49 PM
sounds good besides Dan Conners

Has kicked 35 goals from 11 games, and believe it or not is leading the VFL Goalkicking tally.

http://www.foxsportspulse.com/comp_info.cgi?c=1-118-0-294689-0&a=STATS

it's about his off field issues not on the field
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on August 18, 2014, 04:42:53 PM
I do agree this rates with 186.

I'm sure all melbourne supporters have heard it all, what should happen etc. I'm also sure we're sick of talking about it, so will leave that to the AFL supporters.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on August 18, 2014, 04:46:45 PM
I think if Melbourne want to go any further from here, the need to do five things:

1. Cull any and all on the list that is a "passenger". Melbourne can't afford it any longer, and I'm sure there is a lot of dead weight on the list. Start with Sam Blease.
2. Get rid of James Frawley. Take the cash and hope that the AFL give them a 1st round compo pick.
3. Take a leap from Richmond's drafting strategy - look at how successful Anthony Miles has become. There are plenty of players out there waiting for another chance ie. Sam Iles, Steve Clifton and even Dan Connors. Better rookie picks than Max King, James Harmes, Mitch Clisby and Nathan Stark.
4. Use the Frawley money and draft picks to raid Sydney's list. Take Malceski and some of Tim Membrey, Sam Reid, Dean Towers, Harry Cunningham, Tom Mitchell and those players that are finding it difficult to fit on their list. Sydney will undoubted have to get rid of some players to relieve their salary cap worries, Melbourne would be best to pounce.
5. If Sydney does not budge, look at value in other lists. Liam Anthony from North perhaps? Doubt North would take more than third round pick for him now, but he still has plenty of talent.

Out: Dead weight and James Frawley
In: Sam Iles, Steve Clifton, Dan Connors, Nick Malceski, Sam Reid, Tom Mitchell, Liam Anthony

Doesn't begin to look so bad now, and perhaps Melbourne can finally look like a competitive AFL side.

Thoughts?

Couple of points, Roos will no doubt already have decided most of the guys he's getting rid of. Frawley looks pretty much a given to go.

For every Miles out there there's another 10 guys who won't provide anything new to the club. A lot of the guys you mentioned were complete passengers at their old clubs.

As for the Swans you mentioned, all will have to be traded for except Malceski, and all except Towers and Membrey are already signed past 2014

The problems are obviously internal. No professional recruiting team is bad enough to draft less than 5 good future players over 5 odd years of drafts. It has to be the environment which they come to.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on August 18, 2014, 05:34:01 PM
sounds good besides Dan Conners

Has kicked 35 goals from 11 games, and believe it or not is leading the VFL Goalkicking tally.

http://www.foxsportspulse.com/comp_info.cgi?c=1-118-0-294689-0&a=STATS

it's about his off field issues not on the field
Been playing really well for Port Melbourne and most of his issues are behind him.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on August 18, 2014, 05:55:40 PM
Just thought i'd mention a couple points.

1. We can't actually afford the full salary cap. So Frawley can leave but we might not be able to fill the cap space left behind.
2. No one wants to come to the club. We just got belted by GWS on our home turf in the worst match i've ever attended.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on August 20, 2014, 08:32:59 AM
Always encouraging to see that, being regarded as a young team supposed to be on the improve, that we only have one player in this list:

http://www.news.com.au/sport/breaking-news/dyson-heppell-leads-45man-2014-afl-players-association-22under22-squad/story-fnect155-1227029904964 (http://www.news.com.au/sport/breaking-news/dyson-heppell-leads-45man-2014-afl-players-association-22under22-squad/story-fnect155-1227029904964)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on August 20, 2014, 08:47:46 AM
I guess looking at the list its kind of the reason why. Like there are only 3 guys that are 22 (Michie, McDonald and Evans) and 1 that is 21 (Tyson). They would have to be quite extraordinary at 19/20 to be on that list. If they did this again in another year or so you could very well see guys like Toumpas, Viney, Kent, etc
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on August 20, 2014, 07:20:34 PM
Quote
Melbourne has formulated an ambitious plan to regenerate its struggling list that could involve trading out some of the team's biggest names.

Following this week's revelation that the Demons have applied for a priority pick, it's believed Melbourne aims to have five picks inside the top 20 of this year's national draft.

Assuming the Dees finish 17th, Melbourne is banking on picking up selection no.3 for defender-cum-forward James Frawley.

It's been suggested to Sports Today that other names on the table include Jack Watts, Jimmy Toumpas, current co-captain Jack Grimes and former co-captain Jack Trengove.

The club is also believed to be keen to pick-up as many as five mature-aged recruits.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on August 20, 2014, 07:29:31 PM
very interesting to see how this develops
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on August 20, 2014, 07:42:07 PM
Sounds pretty unsubstantiated to me. I think we'll have as many as 13 names to replace at the end of the year (if we were to remove every player that is not AFL standard), so it's obvious that we will be looking to maximize the amount of players we can get. However, the potential that guys like Trengove and Toumpas possess just isn't worth the draft pick we would likely get in return. Trengove has also been injured the whole year so I think the club would be backing him in. Toumpas has also stated that he has declined any notion of being traded and wants to be a part of the revival. Roos claims Watts has been playing his role all year, and I can't see us getting rid of pretty much our only player with elite disposal. Grimes is our captain.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on August 20, 2014, 09:58:55 PM
Interesting quote nonetheless, even if I think it won't happen.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Capper on August 20, 2014, 11:17:51 PM
Didnt they try the mature aged players the other year? Rodan?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on August 21, 2014, 07:53:59 AM
Vince had been a successful mature age get. Rodan was a bit of a fail tho lol.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on August 21, 2014, 07:05:52 PM
Going in very tall this week
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on August 31, 2014, 11:18:19 AM
Talk of an ACL for Gawn. Please no.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on August 31, 2014, 11:20:13 AM
Talk of an ACL for Gawn. Please no.

 :'(

Not fair for him.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on August 31, 2014, 11:25:47 AM
That's terrible news for the big guy if true, he looked good this season.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: GoLions on August 31, 2014, 02:22:52 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-31/relief-for-hobbled-gawn
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on August 31, 2014, 02:31:29 PM
Looks like a meniscus tear is 6-8 weeks from some quick googling. That's a relief - although still saddening after seeing how excited he was to come back earlier than the other boys and finally get a full preseason in.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ziplock on August 31, 2014, 04:53:10 PM
Looks like a meniscus tear is 6-8 weeks from some quick googling. That's a relief - although still saddening after seeing how excited he was to come back earlier than the other boys and finally get a full preseason in.

it's supposed to be, but it can flower you up longer than that.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on August 31, 2014, 07:42:37 PM
Think he'd be disappointed he got injured, but he would be celebrating all the same  :D
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on August 31, 2014, 08:15:38 PM
Think he'd be disappointed he got injured, but he would be celebrating all the same  :D

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/melbourne-demons-confirm-young-ruckman-max-gawn-will-miss-entire-2012-afl-season-due-to-injury/story-e6frf3e3-1226224724290 (http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/melbourne-demons-confirm-young-ruckman-max-gawn-will-miss-entire-2012-afl-season-due-to-injury/story-e6frf3e3-1226224724290)

Probably won't be any celebrating for a while after what happened last time
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on August 31, 2014, 08:27:55 PM
He looks so much better without the beard  :P

But yeah, wouldn't have been a pleasant day for him today.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on August 31, 2014, 08:40:55 PM
Nice picture by the way - he deserves some love after the year he's had. So damn consistent that you forget how good he is, which probably makes him one of the most underrated players in the comp. 1st for effective disposals, 2nd for total disposals, 4th for clearances, 14th for contested possessions and 15th for tackles
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Capper on August 31, 2014, 09:41:33 PM
So who do the Dees delist?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 01, 2014, 08:27:09 AM
Nice picture by the way - he deserves some love after the year he's had. So damn consistent that you forget how good he is, which probably makes him one of the most underrated players in the comp. 1st for effective disposals, 2nd for total disposals, 4th for clearances, 14th for contested possessions and 15th for tackles

Thanks, and he certainly does. I even could be guilty of underrating him; I admit I was very surprised to see how well he fares in some stats when I looked him up a few days ago.

4th in clearances is the worst clearance side of the comp I think? Or are we second worst? Absolute gun.

So who do the Dees delist?

Blease, Strauss, Tapscott, Nicholson, Evans, just off the top of my head.

I really wanted Terlich on that list, but not to be... but Mac made the good point of the potential case of melbourne delisting too many players at once.


Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Capper on September 01, 2014, 10:45:09 AM
So who do the Dees delist?

Blease, Strauss, Tapscott, Nicholson, Evans, just off the top of my head.

I really wanted Terlich on that list, but not to be... but Mac made the good point of the potential case of melbourne delisting too many players at once.
So along with Frawley and maybe Watts there will be a massive cleanout then.

Will be interesting as Roos didnt really build up the Swans list he added to it. Will be interesting to see how he build the team
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 01, 2014, 10:49:05 AM
Watts gets ridiculously too much criticism, and I'm really sick of defending him.

I really do doubt he will be traded.

Will be interesting as Roos didnt really build up the Swans list he added to it. Will be interesting to see how he build the team

Very. I reckon when Frawley leaves, it is an extremely high chance Pick 3 will be traded. So that will be exciting to see.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on September 02, 2014, 04:36:41 PM
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/melbourne/news/2014-09-02/nicholson-clisby-depart-demons

MELBOURNE has delisted duo Daniel Nicholson and Mitch Clisby
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on September 02, 2014, 04:42:30 PM
The most interesting part of that article is that it says we have made 3 list changes (Nicholson, Clisby and Byrnes), but it doesn't mention Clark...
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on September 02, 2014, 04:44:01 PM
The most interesting part of that article is that it says we have made 3 list changes (Nicholson, Clisby and Byrnes), but it doesn't mention Clark...
A chance to come out of retirement?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on September 02, 2014, 04:45:59 PM
wonder if Clisby is a chance to get drafted

he looked ok in the games he played last year
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 02, 2014, 04:56:04 PM
Fairly surprised about Clisby really.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on September 02, 2014, 04:59:37 PM
The most interesting part of that article is that it says we have made 3 list changes (Nicholson, Clisby and Byrnes), but it doesn't mention Clark...
A chance to come out of retirement?

There is a rumour circulating that he will decide in the next few weeks - but it's good to know that he is still on our list
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mr.Craig on September 02, 2014, 06:08:29 PM
I didn't think it was possible for Roos to dislike Terlich any more than he already did. And then...
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 02, 2014, 06:22:47 PM
I didn't think it was possible for Roos to dislike Terlich any more than he already did. And then...

Which is why i was especially surprised when Terlich was re-signed a week or 2 ago
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on September 02, 2014, 06:25:51 PM
Just hanging around so the Dees have somebody to delist next year.  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 03, 2014, 11:11:03 AM
Nathan Jones:

Ranked 1st in Total Effective Disposals
Ranked 2nd in Total Disposals
Ranked 3rd in Total Clearances
Ranked 14th in Total Kicks
Ranked 15th in Total Tackles
Ranked 8th in Total Handballs
Ranked 9th in Total Supercoach Score   
Ranked 10th in Total AFL Fantasy Score
Ranked 14th in Total Contested Possessions   
Ranked 14th in Total Uncontested Possessions

No AA selection makes me sad  :(
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: roo boys! on September 04, 2014, 06:39:47 AM
Nicholson :( Not exactly sure why I traded that bloke into my WXV side...  :-[
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on September 04, 2014, 10:04:47 AM
Nicholson :( Not exactly sure why I traded that bloke into my WXV side...  :-[
Traded him out of my BXVs side, ripper move.  ;D
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 04, 2014, 05:25:28 PM
B & F tonight, think it will be very close between Nate and Dom, but gonna give Nate the nod with a more consistent season.

My top 5:

Jones
Tyson
Dunn
Vince
Howe


If Jetta played more matches, he'd be there too.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on September 04, 2014, 05:41:41 PM
Almost exactly the same as I would have it - I'd probably have Jetta in 5th over Howe
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on September 04, 2014, 10:03:37 PM
Jones wins his third  8)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 05, 2014, 06:30:45 AM
Just a gun. Very deserving win!

So it was:

Jones
Tyson
Vince
Dunn
Cross
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on September 05, 2014, 08:02:54 AM
Is that 3 in a row or total for Jones? Such a consistent performer
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 05, 2014, 08:15:28 AM
Is that 3 in a row or total for Jones? Such a consistent performer

Both! Only Jim Stynes has won 3 consecutive, and only him and La Fontane have won 4 best & fairests for melbourne.

He could take the record, only 26!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on September 05, 2014, 08:16:38 AM
Is that 3 in a row or total for Jones? Such a consistent performer

Both! Only Jim Stynes has won 3 consecutive, and only him and La Fontane have won 4 best & fairests for melbourne.

He could take the record, only 26!
Far out thats ridiculous. He certainly could do!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: My Chumps on September 05, 2014, 09:27:54 AM
Dom Tyson, what a gun!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on September 05, 2014, 09:31:47 AM
How close were the votes?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 05, 2014, 10:10:25 AM
Jones - 311

Tyson - 293

Vince - 270

Dunn - 264 (after leading after Round 17)

Cross - 238 (if he didn't get injured and played those 5 matches, he really could have won)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on September 05, 2014, 10:12:31 AM
3 of your recruits this yeart in the top 5 is a great sign (even if Cross is old)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on September 05, 2014, 10:13:47 AM
My man Dunn 8)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: My Chumps on September 05, 2014, 11:19:46 AM
I wonder if anyone still thinks trading away Josh Kelly was still a bad idea  ::)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ziplock on September 05, 2014, 12:03:25 PM
I wonder if anyone still thinks trading away Josh Kelly was still a bad idea  ::)

I always thought that trade was pretty win-win tbh. Tyson was walking anyway and GWS got reasonable compensation for it.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mr.Craig on September 06, 2014, 02:48:16 PM
"Paul Roos met Heritier Lumumba at a Melbourne cafe to discuss a potential trade but Lumumba stormed out of the meeting after Roos chose to order poached eggs after he was told they were not free range."
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on September 06, 2014, 02:54:07 PM
That's gold Mr C
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on September 06, 2014, 02:55:04 PM
Oh dear Lord, that's brilliant.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Grazz on September 06, 2014, 02:57:59 PM
Lol gave me a chuckle.  ;D
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on September 06, 2014, 02:59:28 PM
probably a true story
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on September 06, 2014, 03:03:06 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Sweetness on September 06, 2014, 03:10:36 PM
probably a true story

Probably...
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: nrich102 on September 06, 2014, 06:13:47 PM
hahaha Good one Craig
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 06, 2014, 06:27:27 PM
Lol  ;D
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: elephants on September 07, 2014, 01:12:03 AM
Haha rippa
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 07, 2014, 02:52:32 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-07/clark-may-return-to-footy (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-07/clark-may-return-to-footy)

Yay for Mitch... but feel a bit cheated  :-\
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on September 07, 2014, 04:06:32 PM
No problems if he wants to go back to WA - I will be completely understanding of his situation. Anywhere else though and...well...I don't even know
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: DazBurg on September 07, 2014, 04:22:26 PM
as i posted in the WXV's thread to purps in regards to clark

biggest load of crap if he returns
he should be made to pay back the payout he got from the dees
as even if they trade him the WA teams will lowball the dees on account of his "fragile" state of mind


i have no problem him wanting to go to WA but he should not get a payout then flip to another team

as i also wrote

yeah but also one of his reasons he reckons he couldn't go on was being on big money and feeling like he was letting the team down?


yeah retiring and taking money then coming back for another team is doing the opposite?
piss poor effort from him
twice his spoken complete crap when leaving brissy wanting to go home but didn't and now this
some character flaws scream out for sure
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on September 07, 2014, 04:26:19 PM
Freo will get him
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on September 08, 2014, 04:08:08 PM
This post was made earlier today by an incredibly respected and reliable poster on Demonland.

"MFC Blindsided"
 
As many of you know, I have excellent contacts in the MFC at administration and board level.  Over recent years despite the roll over of staff I have been able to maintain these contacts and often share some of what I am hearing with my fellow heavy hearted Dees members via this forum. After the weekends revelations I did not want to make comment on the MC situation until I had made the contact with my sources. This what I have been told.
 
- The decision to retire from AFL was always with MC health in mind. In reality it was always a break that may have become permanent rather than a retirement.  MC always (even at the time of retirement) maintained ambitions to play again, play for the MFC and repay the MFC and its faithful for its investment and support. The decision to retire was ONLY to give MC the best chance of recovery by taking all pressure off him.  The full process of playing in 2015 were set out in the retirement discussions. MC only ever expressed complete desire and loyalty to the MFC. As such MFC continued to support MC in the ABSOUTE belief that if fit he would play for MFC. Essentially the ball was left with MC.  MC has been in regular contact with fitness staff and coaches and on a MFC derived fitness plan.

- MCs return to physical and mental health has been fantastic. So much so that up until about 2 weeks ago, the MFC were extremely confident he would be recontracted to play for the MFC in 2015. In fact the confidence I was hearing from within the club was much greater than what I expressed on Demonland.  MFC were 100% certain that if MC did play it would be only in red & blue and it seemed the only question would be whether to rookie him or place him on the senior list.

- Approx. two weeks ago MC manager was contacted as to whether MC would attend the Best & Fairest and also to initiate contract discussions. Misson had been training with MC that day and had been excited by MC developing fitness. Contact between the club, MC, and his manager has been ongoing and until this point there had been no hint of dissatisfaction or expressed desire to play for anyone else. It was at this time that MC manager let the MFC know that MC did not wish to play for MFC next year and wanted to play for another Melbourne club.

- The club was completely blindsided. Roos had steam coming out of his ears. I have been told by one of my sources that Roos almost blew a blood vessel.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: JBs-Hawks on September 08, 2014, 04:15:31 PM
Is it possible to hold his contract and not let him play anywhere?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mat0369 on September 08, 2014, 04:19:43 PM
Technically if he is contracted they don't have to delist him. They would have to keep a spot on the list for him and pay him his contract, but I assume yes they could if they really wanted to. He would just probably 'retire' again if that was the case and might try and make a comeback the year after.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on September 08, 2014, 04:20:49 PM
Hird has met with him apparently
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: j959 on September 08, 2014, 04:21:04 PM
Purps, Big Mac, MTTY et al ... would you guys want Melb to pay 'market value' (whatever that is??) for Frawley to keep him at the Dees??
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Toga on September 08, 2014, 04:35:41 PM
That's pretty poor if this eventuates. I hope for the club's sake something is worked out :(
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: DazBurg on September 08, 2014, 05:14:48 PM
Hird has met with him apparently
do not want

the only reason he has not been completley smashe din the media as an unloyal mercenary is due to his "mental" state

but even before this he told brisbane he was leaving to go home to WA
and took off to melbourne instead for money and now coming back after taking a payout and all the help melbourne offered him as soon as his getting better he stiffs them too

un loyal who should not be taken into the bombers


dees should feel lucky bad character flaws you don't want the younger kids picking up

and again i will repeat the dees should be asking for the money back if he screws then they should screw him

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: elephants on September 08, 2014, 06:05:38 PM
Daz will legitimately explode if he goes to the Dons :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: JBs-Hawks on September 08, 2014, 06:11:31 PM
Dont want him at the Hawks either.

Will take Carlisle though :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on September 08, 2014, 06:12:05 PM
That would be disappointing if true.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: DazBurg on September 08, 2014, 06:14:22 PM
Daz will legitimately explode if he goes to the Dons :P
you know it ;)

Dont want him at the Hawks either.

Will take Carlisle though :P

Hands off mate ;)

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Grazz on September 08, 2014, 06:26:48 PM
Can understand the rage at Melbourne, really poor by MC if thats the case. He should of expressed that from the begining that he would not return to the Dee's then leave it up to the Dee's as to how they handled him from there on. Seems he's taken advantage of alot of help with no intention of returning. :(
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ringo on September 08, 2014, 07:44:17 PM
Really disappointed in MC - Seems he is chasing money.  Does not appear to have any values - When he left Brisbane he said he wanted to go home to Perth and then took Melbournes money.  lost all credibility with me at that stage.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: JBs-Hawks on September 08, 2014, 07:54:15 PM
Looks like we're getting him. Not sure we need him would have preferred Carlisle, Frawley or a clearance midfielder
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 08, 2014, 08:04:21 PM
Purps, Big Mac, MTTY et al ... would you guys want Melb to pay 'market value' (whatever that is??) for Frawley to keep him at the Dees??

450k a year (which is what I think he should get, and that's being kind), then in a heart beat sure.

Would much prefer to keep him than lose him... but Pick 3 would wipe my tears away somewhat.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 08, 2014, 08:21:23 PM
Is all in Clark's court... only two results, 1) I flowering love you or 2) I don't rate you as a person.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Capper on September 08, 2014, 08:30:09 PM
So Clarke retired so does that mean that the Dees wont get anything for him??
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on September 08, 2014, 08:57:03 PM
So Clarke retired so does that mean that the Dees wont get anything for him??

He is still on our list so we can trade him
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on September 08, 2014, 09:48:39 PM
Looks like we're getting him. Not sure we need him would have preferred Carlisle, Frawley or a clearance midfielder
Saw this on Twitter.

(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxAlzlCCYAA1kYv.jpg)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on September 08, 2014, 09:59:09 PM
Yeah from what I've heard, if he does come back Melbourne can trade him
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: quinny88 on September 08, 2014, 10:03:08 PM
Clarke wouldn't even get a game in Hawthorns forward line lol
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Jay on September 09, 2014, 07:27:25 AM
Clarke wouldn't even get a game in Hawthorns forward line lol
He could probably do the David Hale role pretty well.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on September 09, 2014, 08:32:50 AM
Clarke wouldn't even get a game in Hawthorns forward line lol
He could probably do the David Hale role pretty well.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on September 09, 2014, 08:49:49 AM
Can understand the hate from Melb supporters on MC for saying he wants to stay at MFC and leaving, but not the hate from others/media for him chasing money/wanting to go straight into a successful team. Its the AFL world we live in now with FA. Players have every right to chase the mega bucks or want to fastrack their own premiership chances. And honestly, if playing at a successful club/getting a bigger pay package helps Mitch with his depression, then its good for him. Loyalty still has a place in the AFL, but Mitch had only been at the club for 2 years and played 15 games, so he may not have that connection to the MFC.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on September 09, 2014, 08:54:07 AM
Its the AFL world we live in now with FA. Players have every right to chase the mega bucks or want to fastrack their own premiership chances.
Pretty much what Spuddy did. Could have gone to GWS and been the face of the club and all, racked up big dollars. But once Sydney offered him that ridiculous deal, he was never gonna say no to another chance at glory sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on September 09, 2014, 09:41:34 AM
Purps, Big Mac, MTTY et al ... would you guys want Melb to pay 'market value' (whatever that is??) for Frawley to keep him at the Dees??

Based on his form the last 2 years, he's worth no more than 500k. If we pay upwards of 550k for him, then no I wouldn't want us to keep him.

Ideally I want him on our list, but as Purple said pick 3 would be sufficient in return.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: ossie85 on September 09, 2014, 12:52:02 PM

This was quite a poor comment from Ross Lyong

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-09-09/freo-no-to-whats-his-name-

I know he didn't take the Freo deal, but sour grapes shouldn't be an issue when it is dealing with depression
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Capper on September 09, 2014, 01:19:26 PM
Still he biggest problem with Clarke is this he hasnt played for a while due to an injury. Is he over that injury? Can he play? How long can he play for?

He certainly doent have the match fitness and will struggle for a season

Glad the Swans and Giants wont go after him
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 09, 2014, 01:26:25 PM
Attention everybody everywhere (I'm sadly looking at some journo's too)... it's Mitch Clark, there is no e!

Lol, just a pet peeve I have, it's the same as people saying Trengrove instead of Trengove :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on September 09, 2014, 01:29:34 PM
Attention everybody everywhere (I'm sadly looking at some journo's too)... it's Mitch Clark, there is no e!

Lol, just a pet peeve I have, it's the same as people saying Trengrove instead of Trengove :P
oh I feel you brother.

apparently we have a guy playing for us named Jack Stevens. funny cos we don't have a Jack Stevens on our list?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 09, 2014, 01:33:29 PM
Attention everybody everywhere (I'm sadly looking at some journo's too)... it's Mitch Clark, there is no e!

Lol, just a pet peeve I have, it's the same as people saying Trengrove instead of Trengove :P
oh I feel you brother.

apparently we have a guy playing for us named Jack Stevens. funny cos we don't have a Jack Stevens on our list?

Yes! I was thinking about him when I was writing that too  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: ossie85 on September 09, 2014, 01:39:24 PM

Had an interesting discussion a few years back with a friend who told me he really liked that Shaw player for Brisbane.

I said I didn't think there was a Shaw that played for Brisbane..

Friend was adamant, and told me it was Brad Shaw.

Grumble.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on September 09, 2014, 09:09:48 PM
If Ryder ends up at Brisbane, could we be interested in the Berger?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 10, 2014, 07:55:52 AM
If Ryder ends up at Brisbane, could we be interested in the Berger?

As long as he doesn't cost more than a second rounder, and that we don't need that second rounder for Stretch, sure.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 18, 2014, 12:16:39 PM
Maybe melbourne should go after Giles?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on September 18, 2014, 12:19:17 PM
Maybe melbourne should go after Giles?
I'm not really sure why you'd need to though. You've got Jamar for another year and still have Gawn, Fitzy, Spencer and Max King. In a year or two, at least Gawn (seems to be the next best atm after Jamar) will be ahead of him and he's down the pecking order again, assuming that Fitzy and Spencer continue to be serviceable.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 18, 2014, 01:23:34 PM
Maybe melbourne should go after Giles?
I'm not really sure why you'd need to though. You've got Jamar for another year and still have Gawn, Fitzy, Spencer and Max King. In a year or two, at least Gawn (seems to be the next best atm after Jamar) will be ahead of him and he's down the pecking order again, assuming that Fitzy and Spencer continue to be serviceable.

However true, there are concerns about whether really that either Spencer or Gawn is able to beat other ruckman consistently enough to warrant their spot.

I personally think we're fine. But hey, if he came cheap, I wouldn't say no.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on September 18, 2014, 01:26:03 PM
would you be interested in Melksham and or Howlett?

i heard Howlett is on the table and probably Melksham also i think both would add some toughness to your side
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 18, 2014, 01:30:01 PM
I'd take Howlett if we didn't re-sign Rohan Bail. But think melbourne are more after people with midfield class than physical presence atm.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Holz on September 18, 2014, 01:32:16 PM
Maybe melbourne should go after Giles?

not great for Berlin.

If only you were loaded in Sydney players your team would be insane.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 18, 2014, 03:47:28 PM
Maybe melbourne should go after Giles?

not great for Berlin.

If only you were loaded in Sydney players your team would be insane.

I did think of Berlin  :P and then Nige's willingness to keep Giles... it would cause problems!  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on September 18, 2014, 04:18:21 PM
Maybe melbourne should go after Giles?

not great for Berlin.

If only you were loaded in Sydney players your team would be insane.

I did think of Berlin  :P and then Nige's willingness to keep Giles... it would cause problems!  :P
Nah, you'd just have to give me Petterd or a good forward.  ;)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Grazz on September 18, 2014, 05:18:23 PM
Congrats on the appointment of Goody as your assistant coach, think youve got a good one there no pun intended.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 25, 2014, 02:46:18 PM
Oh goodness, how I want Dangerfield on this team.

He is EXACTLY what we need IMO. One of the few players I feel that can slow down time when he has the ball. He would be the star mid with genuine class that we have been crying out for since... whoever was our last midfield star (I love you Jones, I think you're elite, but don't think you're a game changing star. But you are the MFC really)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on September 25, 2014, 02:51:36 PM
He'd be a big get for you guys.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on September 25, 2014, 02:56:00 PM
Not sure what to think about Danger. Of course I would love him and the benefits he would bring to the club before he even plays a game would be massive just from a marketing perspective. But it would cost a considerable amount to get him here (I'm thinking picks 2 and 3?), and that just doesn't seem to be Roosy's way. Would he really 'put all his eggs in the one basket'? Or is it more likely he will aim to get several high quality players rather than just the cream of the crop?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on September 25, 2014, 02:58:55 PM
Roos is a big Brayshaw fan, we know that. You'd think Pick 3 would be used to lure somebody else other than Danger to the Dees.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 25, 2014, 03:00:51 PM
Not sure what to think about Danger. Of course I would love him and the benefits he would bring to the club before he even plays a game would be massive just from a marketing perspective. But it would cost a considerable amount to get him here (I'm thinking picks 2 and 3?), and that just doesn't seem to be Roosy's way. Would he really 'put all his eggs in the one basket'? Or is it more likely he will aim to get several high quality players rather than just the cream of the crop?

I did think about the price, and me personally would be against giving both pick 2 and 3. You raise a good point, but I think it's time melbourne did get that absolute star... it would probably boost the players around him. IMO, I would prefer one Dangerfield over say, 3 Lumumba's (i.e. quality players).

And as you say, we need that marketing player.

Do we look at giving Pick 3 + Toumpas? Or persevere with him? I personally think Pick 2 of this year (maybe Christian Petrecca) would be a better choice than Toumpas, so if Adelaide would accept Pick 3 + Toumpas with the alternative being Picks 2 and 3, I'd give up Toumpas.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: ossie85 on September 25, 2014, 03:03:53 PM

wait, what?

Is Dangerfield to Melbourne a thing?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 25, 2014, 03:06:10 PM

wait, what?

Is Dangerfield to Melbourne a thing?

Just the latest craze in the rumour mill, probably won't happen. Still, one can dream...
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 25, 2014, 03:29:57 PM
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-09-25/viney-signs-contract-extension (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-09-25/viney-signs-contract-extension)

Excellent  :D
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on September 25, 2014, 08:52:26 PM
I'm thinking that Roos will broker a deal with GC for pick 3 (if we get it) for a player and one of their first rounders (maybe a swap of later picks too). We will then on trade pick 2 and the other pick from GC to Adelaide for Danger (possible swap of later picks again).

This also helps GC by giving them an early pick to try and lure Beams.

Something like this:

Melbourne Gives: Pick 2, Pick 3, Pick 15
Melbourne Receives: Jesse Lonergan (example of a GC player), Patrick Dangerfield

GC Gives: Pick 15, Jesse Lonergan, Pick 3
GC Receives: Dayne Beams, Collingwood 3rd/4th rounder

Adelaide Gives: Patrick Dangerfield
Adelaide Receives: Pick 2, Pick 15

Collingwood Gives: Dayne Beams, 3rd/4th rounder
Collingwood Receives: Pick 3

There would also be some swapping of picks chucked in there. From this it could probably be argued that GC overpays for Beams, so something extra would need to be thrown in by Melbourne i'd say.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: ossie85 on September 26, 2014, 04:14:10 AM
Crazy if you think the pies need to give a pick as well for Beams.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Jay on September 26, 2014, 06:28:58 AM
Crows would need two top 5 picks to trade Danger imo.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Grazz on September 26, 2014, 07:08:40 AM
Agree Jay pick 2 and pick 15 wont get it done. Think its a pipe dream Danger to the Dee's.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 26, 2014, 07:58:42 AM
If Melbourne have to give both Pick 2 and 3 for Danger, then there would be more to the deal. Roos wouldn't give both of them, just for Danger alone.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: ossie85 on September 26, 2014, 08:24:31 AM
If Melbourne have to give both Pick 2 and 3 for Danger, then there would be more to the deal. Roos wouldn't give both of them, just for Danger alone.

Danger would be worth it
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Toga on September 26, 2014, 08:28:27 AM
For the Dees, yeah I agree he would definitely be worth it. Just the kind of player you guys need to recruit
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Rusty00 on September 26, 2014, 08:33:18 AM
Danger might be worth Picks 2 & 3, but it wouldn't be worth it for the Dees to give up that much. Danger would be great for them, but in their situation they need to keep at least one of those picks to draft a young gun IMO.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: ossie85 on September 26, 2014, 08:35:06 AM
Its almost a literal bird in the hand, two in the bush scenario
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 26, 2014, 11:51:32 AM
I still think Pick 3 + Toumpas for Danger, then use Pick 2 in either another trade or draft Brayshaw or Petrecca.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on September 26, 2014, 06:30:41 PM
ok this what you do

trade pick 3 to Collingwood for Lamumba and pick 9

trade pick 2 and pick 9 for Danger

so Dees get Danger and Lamumba for picks 2 and 3
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 27, 2014, 08:38:52 AM
ok this what you do

trade pick 3 to Collingwood for Lamumba and pick 9

trade pick 2 and pick 9 for Danger

so Dees get Danger and Lamumba for picks 2 and 3

I don't mind this actually.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Jay on September 27, 2014, 09:54:23 AM
ok this what you do

trade pick 3 to Collingwood for Lamumba and pick 9

trade pick 2 and pick 9 for Danger

so Dees get Danger and Lamumba for picks 2 and 3

I don't mind this actually.
No way Crows do that
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Holz on September 27, 2014, 06:29:32 PM
I'm thinking that Roos will broker a deal with GC for pick 3 (if we get it) for a player and one of their first rounders (maybe a swap of later picks too). We will then on trade pick 2 and the other pick from GC to Adelaide for Danger (possible swap of later picks again).

This also helps GC by giving them an early pick to try and lure Beams.

Something like this:

Melbourne Gives: Pick 2, Pick 3, Pick 15
Melbourne Receives: Jesse Lonergan (example of a GC player), Patrick Dangerfield

GC Gives: Pick 15, Jesse Lonergan, Pick 3
GC Receives: Dayne Beams, Collingwood 3rd/4th rounder

Adelaide Gives: Patrick Dangerfield
Adelaide Receives: Pick 2, Pick 15

Collingwood Gives: Dayne Beams, 3rd/4th rounder
Collingwood Receives: Pick 3

There would also be some swapping of picks chucked in there. From this it could probably be argued that GC overpays for Beams, so something extra would need to be thrown in by Melbourne i'd say.

I dont get this why is Collingwood trading Beams + 3rd rounder for pick 3. Yet GC giving up 15 3 and lonergan just for Beams anf the 4th rounder, shouldnt it cost them just pick 3.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on September 28, 2014, 11:09:31 AM
I'm thinking that Roos will broker a deal with GC for pick 3 (if we get it) for a player and one of their first rounders (maybe a swap of later picks too). We will then on trade pick 2 and the other pick from GC to Adelaide for Danger (possible swap of later picks again).

This also helps GC by giving them an early pick to try and lure Beams.

Something like this:

Melbourne Gives: Pick 2, Pick 3, Pick 15
Melbourne Receives: Jesse Lonergan (example of a GC player), Patrick Dangerfield

GC Gives: Pick 15, Jesse Lonergan, Pick 3
GC Receives: Dayne Beams, Collingwood 3rd/4th rounder

Adelaide Gives: Patrick Dangerfield
Adelaide Receives: Pick 2, Pick 15

Collingwood Gives: Dayne Beams, 3rd/4th rounder
Collingwood Receives: Pick 3

There would also be some swapping of picks chucked in there. From this it could probably be argued that GC overpays for Beams, so something extra would need to be thrown in by Melbourne i'd say.

I dont get this why is Collingwood trading Beams + 3rd rounder for pick 3. Yet GC giving up 15 3 and lonergan just for Beams anf the 4th rounder, shouldnt it cost them just pick 3.

Yeah it's just my way of showing that it's being on traded by GC, but yeah probably just should have done overall gains and losses from the start to the end of  the deals.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: nrich102 on September 28, 2014, 11:30:29 AM
Won't happen anyway, Beams is coming to Brisbane.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on September 28, 2014, 04:26:16 PM
Won't happen anyway, Beams is coming to Brisbane.

so he can make it harder for his brother to get a game?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: nrich102 on September 28, 2014, 04:41:06 PM
Won't happen anyway, Beams is coming to Brisbane.

so he can make it harder for his brother to get a game?
pretty much :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ringo on September 29, 2014, 08:45:45 AM
Gold Coast have withdrawn from the race for Beams so you may have to rework MTTY
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on September 30, 2014, 01:27:11 PM
this may have already been covered but do you guys think the Dees fans will boo Mitch Clark?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Capper on September 30, 2014, 01:30:09 PM
Mitch Clark going to the cats
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Rusty00 on September 30, 2014, 01:33:05 PM
this may have already been covered but do you guys think the Dees fans will boo Mitch Clark?
Definitely. Majority of fans boo the majority of players who previously played with their club. It's just the way AFL is. Doesn't necessarily mean you dislike that player or hold it against them for leaving (although obviously there are instances where this is the case).

And when it happens, there will be people who say "oh, that's inconsiderate and uncalled because he had depression", but it has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on September 30, 2014, 01:34:09 PM
this may have already been covered but do you guys think the Dees fans will boo Mitch Clark?
Definitely. Majority of fans boo the majority of players who previously played with their club. It's just the way AFL is. Doesn't necessarily mean you dislike that player or hold it against them for leaving (although obviously there are instances where this is the case).

And when it happens, there will be people who say "oh, that's inconsiderate and uncalled because he had depression", but it has nothing to do with it.
yep right with you
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on September 30, 2014, 01:36:17 PM
kyle you get upset when people boo NROO lol
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on September 30, 2014, 01:39:22 PM
Clark pretty much dogged the club, he will booed for sure. But even if he didn't, he would be booed anyway. Like Rusty said, comes with moving clubs.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on September 30, 2014, 01:42:02 PM
kyle you get upset when people boo NROO lol
haha you don't boo champions. they boo him for no reason. plus he's never left his club for money or anything like that. one of the most loyal players in the AFL
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on September 30, 2014, 01:49:30 PM
He'll be booed by non-Demons supporters, flowered up the club big time
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on September 30, 2014, 01:56:59 PM
Hope he gets booed, not gonna lie. Don't like seeing bottom clubs get flowered even more..
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: ossie85 on September 30, 2014, 02:01:20 PM
He'll be booed by non-Demons supporters, flowered up the club big time

If the Demons booed every person that did that, the world would explode... (Tom Scully, Chris Connolly, Cameron Schwab, Mark Neeld, Dean Bailey, Jack Watts.....)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on September 30, 2014, 02:05:39 PM
He'll be booed by non-Demons supporters, flowered up the club big time

If the Demons booed every person that did that, the world would explode... (Tom Scully, Chris Connolly, Cameron Schwab, Mark Neeld, Dean Bailey, Jack Watts.....)
haha harsh, but i laughed
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on September 30, 2014, 02:07:48 PM
He'll be booed by non-Demons supporters, flowered up the club big time

If the Demons booed every person that did that, the world would explode... (Tom Scully, Chris Connolly, Cameron Schwab, Mark Neeld, Dean Bailey, Jack Watts.....)

Well I mean only two of those are players, Not sure they'll get on to booing Watts yet :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 30, 2014, 02:10:51 PM
I have a new most-disliked player in the AFL, is all I'm saying.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: ossie85 on September 30, 2014, 02:18:59 PM
I have a new most-disliked player in the AFL, is all I'm saying.

Surely $cully still trumps....
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on September 30, 2014, 02:20:18 PM
I have a new most-disliked player in the AFL, is all I'm saying.

Surely $cully still trumps....

Hard to hate spuds bro >:D

But he did lie to Jim Stynes, so he is still a close second.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ziplock on September 30, 2014, 08:03:30 PM
I seriously doubt Clark had any intention of screwing the club. He left, and the dees allowed him to leave because he was mentally unwell. He recovered faster than either parties probably expected, so he decided to return to AFL.

It's unfortunate that he didn't choose the Dees, but I'm sure he had his reasons.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: tbagrocks on September 30, 2014, 08:09:24 PM
I seriously doubt Clark had any intention of screwing the club. He left, and the dees allowed him to leave because he was mentally unwell. He recovered faster than either parties probably expected, so he decided to return to AFL.

It's unfortunate that he didn't choose the Dees, but I'm sure he had his reasons.
Reasons not good enough, as I said before when he quit (About the compo only)  He's well enough to go back to his job? Why should the Dee's get screwed?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on September 30, 2014, 08:43:36 PM
I seriously doubt Clark had any intention of screwing the club. He left, and the dees allowed him to leave because he was mentally unwell. He recovered faster than either parties probably expected, so he decided to return to AFL.

It's unfortunate that he didn't choose the Dees, but I'm sure he had his reasons.

If he didn't want to screw us then he would be starting his preseason at the dees next month. Instead he has essentially taken the millions he was paid, ignored the support and care the mfc showed for him and said 'get flowered'
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Torpedo10 on September 30, 2014, 08:47:49 PM
I have a new most-disliked player in the AFL, is all I'm saying.

Surely $cully still trumps....

Hard to hate spuds bro >:D

But he did lie to Jim Stynes, so he is still a close second.
My clear first due to that.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ziplock on September 30, 2014, 11:33:00 PM
I seriously doubt Clark had any intention of screwing the club. He left, and the dees allowed him to leave because he was mentally unwell. He recovered faster than either parties probably expected, so he decided to return to AFL.

It's unfortunate that he didn't choose the Dees, but I'm sure he had his reasons.
Reasons not good enough, as I said before when he quit (About the compo only)  He's well enough to go back to his job? Why should the Dee's get screwed?
I seriously doubt Clark had any intention of screwing the club. He left, and the dees allowed him to leave because he was mentally unwell. He recovered faster than either parties probably expected, so he decided to return to AFL.

It's unfortunate that he didn't choose the Dees, but I'm sure he had his reasons.

If he didn't want to screw us then he would be starting his preseason at the dees next month. Instead he has essentially taken the millions he was paid, ignored the support and care the mfc showed for him and said 'get flowered'


Yeah, on reflection, I think you guys are kind of right. He should at least have gone and seen his contract out- unless he feels like he needs a fresh start because of whatever reason, or there was some behind the scenes stuff that wasn't too supportive, it does seem like a dick move.

the real question is, did he get paid out the remainder of his contract when he retired? If he did, then he screwed melbourne over just based on that. If he didn't, well, melbourne cut him loose when he was flowered up and they would have known the risks that entailed.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on September 30, 2014, 11:35:45 PM
If Dees payed out his contract, he can get absolutely flowered.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ziplock on October 01, 2014, 12:16:47 AM
If Dees payed out his contract, he can get absolutely flowered.

I don't think they did, or it definitely would have been mentioned by now.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on October 01, 2014, 12:46:18 AM
If Dees payed out his contract, he can get absolutely flowered.

I don't think they did, or it definitely would have been mentioned by now.

They did to a certain degree, the entire details weren't released though
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ziplock on October 01, 2014, 01:00:35 AM
If Dees payed out his contract, he can get absolutely flowered.

I don't think they did, or it definitely would have been mentioned by now.

They did to a certain degree, the entire details weren't released though

I think they would have paid out his contract for the 2014 season... I feel like if they'd given anything beyond that it would have come to light by now.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on October 01, 2014, 07:51:07 AM
We gave him some sort of pay out for 2014, not for 2015
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on October 01, 2014, 07:57:14 AM
just thought of this. Maybe a trigger for his depression was a part of the MFC. Like he may not fit in with the boys. Or he was bullied by a player, coach,  employee, etc. Or he's had a run in with Roos or another person at the club in the past.

Have to admit I jumped on him pretty quickly as a money chaser, especially when he didn't come home from Brissie. But can't really judge when severe depression is involved because we simply don't know the full facts
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ringo on October 01, 2014, 07:59:38 AM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-01/dees-target-defenders

With Frawley departing Melbourne have set sights on Dan Merrett and Sam Frost.  We will take Frawleys compensation pick for Merrett should be fair.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on October 01, 2014, 08:00:41 AM
Oh lord, how I don't want Merrett. I don't want him, so very much.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ringo on October 01, 2014, 08:02:23 AM
Like him as a defender Purps but definitely not a forward.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on October 01, 2014, 08:05:11 AM
Don't really understand Melbourne thinking we need to fill Frawley's void in the defence, he barely played there the whole year! TMac, Garlo (with a pre-season), Dunn, Jetta, Howe and Grimes did just fine. And as for his forward influence, there is a guy called Jesse Hogan coming up...

Mainly Merrett's age is my deterrent, but if he came at a 4th round pick (yes, that is cheap), then why not I guess.

Frost could be a good move.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on October 01, 2014, 09:59:25 AM
lol at the idea of wanting pick 3 for Merrett yes they may be similar players but Frawley is much younger
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on October 01, 2014, 10:07:23 AM
just thought of this. Maybe a trigger for his depression was a part of the MFC. Like he may not fit in with the boys. Or he was bullied by a player, coach,  employee, etc. Or he's had a run in with Roos or another person at the club in the past.

Have to admit I jumped on him pretty quickly as a money chaser, especially when he didn't come home from Brissie. But can't really judge when severe depression is involved because we simply don't know the full facts

The story they've given us just doesn't add up. When he was playing he was the most passionate player out there. He put his body and heart on the line for the team. He was the reason you would go to games when you knew you didn't have a chance to win. There was no indication of him having any struggles at the club.

All along they have said that his injuries were the root of his depression. He felt guilty that he couldn't do his part for the club and actually give something back. Now he can though - but his mind is so fragile that he can't even be near the MFC, while still being able to play at the same level? It doesn't make sense.

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on October 01, 2014, 10:16:13 AM
just thought of this. Maybe a trigger for his depression was a part of the MFC. Like he may not fit in with the boys. Or he was bullied by a player, coach,  employee, etc. Or he's had a run in with Roos or another person at the club in the past.

Have to admit I jumped on him pretty quickly as a money chaser, especially when he didn't come home from Brissie. But can't really judge when severe depression is involved because we simply don't know the full facts

The story they've given us just doesn't add up. When he was playing he was the most passionate player out there. He put his body and heart on the line for the team. He was the reason you would go to games when you knew you didn't have a chance to win. There was no indication of him having any struggles at the club.

All along they have said that his injuries were the root of his depression. He felt guilty that he couldn't do his part for the club and actually give something back. Now he can though - but his mind is so fragile that he can't even be near the MFC, while still being able to play at the same level? It doesn't make sense.
Yeh i know man its certainly not clear at all. Just thinking that a fair bit has changed since he was playing regularly which has steered him away and that we don't know the truth, and probably won't ever know.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on October 01, 2014, 02:25:59 PM
Well, I'm not sure his team-mates will be impressed with him now  >:(

It's ironic with Dawes, he had 3 main reasons that he joined Melbourne for: Wanted to play under Neeld, wanted to play with Clark, and the third reason was just-helping-a-team-script talk lol
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on October 01, 2014, 02:27:36 PM
Well, I'm not sure his team-mates will be impressed with him now  >:(

It's ironic with Dawes, he had 3 main reasons that he joined Melbourne for: Wanted to play under Neeld, wanted to play with Clark, and the third reason was just-helping-a-team-script talk lol

Did Dawes ever play with Clark?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on October 01, 2014, 02:28:34 PM
Well, I'm not sure his team-mates will be impressed with him now  >:(

It's ironic with Dawes, he had 3 main reasons that he joined Melbourne for: Wanted to play under Neeld, wanted to play with Clark, and the third reason was just-helping-a-team-script talk lol

Did Dawes ever play with Clark?

Nope  :-[
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on October 01, 2014, 02:31:32 PM
Well, I'm not sure his team-mates will be impressed with him now  >:(

It's ironic with Dawes, he had 3 main reasons that he joined Melbourne for: Wanted to play under Neeld, wanted to play with Clark, and the third reason was just-helping-a-team-script talk lol

Did Dawes ever play with Clark?

Nope  :-[

Oh well - He will get to play with someone even better next year
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on October 01, 2014, 02:32:53 PM
Well, I'm not sure his team-mates will be impressed with him now  >:(

It's ironic with Dawes, he had 3 main reasons that he joined Melbourne for: Wanted to play under Neeld, wanted to play with Clark, and the third reason was just-helping-a-team-script talk lol

Did Dawes ever play with Clark?

Nope  :-[

Oh well - He will get to play with someone even better next year
Jesse Hogan ;)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on October 01, 2014, 07:05:21 PM
I remember reading a few days ago that Roos would be leaving half way through trade period to take a holiday. Can't remember where I read it though - anyone heard similar?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on October 01, 2014, 07:16:37 PM
I remember reading a few days ago that Roos would be leaving half way through trade period to take a holiday. Can't remember where I read it though - anyone heard similar?

I remember that too... seems an odd thing to do. Unless we should be done by then?



So the bookends have now left, of course we are going to improve now...
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on October 01, 2014, 08:28:52 PM
Yeh it is pretty odd - Roos is the kind of coach who is very straightforward with his trading and puts the best deal on the table straight up without any bs. But can he rely on the other coaches to do the same?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on October 02, 2014, 08:26:46 AM
I just really want Danger. Even if it's for both pick 2 and 3. It would just make me so happy lol
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on October 02, 2014, 08:50:36 AM
I just really want Danger. Even if it's for both pick 2 and 3. It would just make me so happy lol

I would kill for a star player as well - I know it would get me to more games
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Grazz on October 02, 2014, 07:11:00 PM
I just really want Danger. Even if it's for both pick 2 and 3. It would just make me so happy lol

I reckon its a good deal if the Crows feel Danger is going at the end of 2015, after then his value is pretty small.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: powersuperkents on October 05, 2014, 01:05:15 PM
I like the Demons but I just can't help but ask, after seeing this player's salary

Why is Chris Dawes paid $500k a season to be shower at football?

haha Boak & Dangerfield only make $600k each & Monfries makes $400k a season

(yet Monfries scored more goals with less games and sustained injury and even when Dawes was in Collingwood -premiership year- with plenty of supply he only scored 30 in 20, conversely, that's only a slightly above average season for Monfries (just)

Surely they could be spending that money on someone better (could cover 83% of Danger's salary if he was willing to transfer for the same salary)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on October 05, 2014, 01:08:44 PM
I'm yet to see how Dawes is shower at football personally, but I can kinda see what you mean. Overpay? Probably. Vital to melbourne's team? Of course. Dawes can't be blamed entirely for his wavering form, he is playing for the worst offensive team of the year. Although he has frustrated me at times for not doing a little more, I'm very glad he is playing for us.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on October 05, 2014, 01:13:59 PM
While im surprised if Dawes is on that much I think you're underestimating what he brought to this footy club, apart from kicking goals. From the few interviews I've seen about him, his leadership and strength to not accept mediocrity would be pretty vital alone
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on October 05, 2014, 01:18:24 PM
Yeah, I think the stuff directed at Dawes is a bit unfair. He's not really that bad. He's probably yet to really be a star of the club (I think reckon he's perfectly capable of it and him alongside Jesse Hogan could be amazing), but he seems like he's still really been a fantastic recruit even if he's not the most gifted or consistent footballer.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on October 05, 2014, 01:26:23 PM
You do have to pay a fair bit extra to get players to weaker clubs but imo he's been worth it. Just watching him on the field directing teammates and giving advice shows you how important he is. Also would be unfair to judge him based on stats given the ball flies over his head half the time and the other half he has to fight off two players.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: powersuperkents on October 05, 2014, 01:38:09 PM
I guess I need to watch him since his move. I've only seen him play for the Magpies (I watched a lot of their games before their fall to barrack against them, and during their fall, to barrack against them). Yeah I guess he must have had something more to offer, because the Pies didn't trade him or delist him, he requested the trade because he wasn't happy.

I think he'll always be the brunt of the joke within the fantasy football community because he's a dt tease. Every season he comes later than the other players and is a significantly cheaper option than a premium upgrade, he opens up with a few 100's, so naturally you trade him in. Then he burns you hahahaha. Happened to me in 2009 & happened to a few people this season. Between 2010-12 there were times where he almost lured me back in. However, I'd learned since then haha but that's why I think he is subjected to denigration on forums   
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on October 05, 2014, 02:10:47 PM
When Hogan's up and about and playing with him he shouldn't get as much attention (which was kinda the idea of Dawes, Clark and Hogan lining up together).
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: powersuperkents on October 05, 2014, 03:25:50 PM
When Hogan's up and about and playing with him he shouldn't get as much attention (which was kinda the idea of Dawes, Clark and Hogan lining up together).
What Clark did was disrespectful imo. Melbourne paid a lot for him, hopefully their compensation was a first round pick because they really deserve it. I think it is fair enough Clark retire because clinical depression, but one can't help but be cynical when, only 6 months later, they state they want to return to the AFL for any club but the Demons. I've found myself questioning whether it was just a ploy for him to leave. I know it was almost definitely a severe mental health issue, but if that's the case he is returning far to early. I think Ross Lyon handled the whole incident best tbh
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on October 06, 2014, 04:16:52 PM
Billy Stretch for pick 39   :)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on October 06, 2014, 04:21:31 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on October 06, 2014, 04:23:29 PM
Dees get 3.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on October 06, 2014, 04:25:56 PM
Dees get 3.

 :o :o :o

First I'm seeing this! YAY!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Toga on October 06, 2014, 04:28:15 PM
Yep, it's on the AFL live feed:

5.24pm: BREAKING: Pick 3 compensation for James Frawley. Due to Hawthorn contract amount offer and player's age.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: powersuperkents on October 06, 2014, 05:24:21 PM
Firstly, Stretch at 39 is a bargain

Secondly, pick 2 & 3 is fantastic (I originally thought they had 2 & 3 and Frawley come intervene making it picks 2, 3, & 4)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on October 06, 2014, 05:28:52 PM
surely everyone knew a long time ago Dees would get pick 3  ???
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on October 06, 2014, 05:32:34 PM
surely everyone knew a long time ago Dees would get pick 3  ???
Yes, they did.

But a lot were just not wanting to believe it or against it.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: ossie85 on October 07, 2014, 12:58:12 PM

Looks like Jeff Garlett going to be a Demon soon


So that's Garlett, O'Brien and Pick 3, with the major loss of Frawley


Could be worse.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on October 07, 2014, 01:00:19 PM

Looks like Jeff Garlett going to be a Demon soon


So that's Garlett, O'Brien and Pick 3, with the major loss of Frawley


Could be worse.

Well it's looks worse like this:

Clark, Frawley + (4th round pick?)

FOR

Garlett, Lumumba + Pick 3



Still think the structural loss here is huge.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Toga on October 07, 2014, 02:37:56 PM
The whole Clark situation is still bullshower
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: elephants on October 07, 2014, 02:38:55 PM
The whole Clark situation is still bullshower

^ awn it.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on October 07, 2014, 02:59:53 PM
Happy with Garlett - Kent can't play the small forward role consistently and JKH needs much more development. Also creates competition for spots
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on October 08, 2014, 04:13:47 PM
What do you guys think you would give up for Garlett?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on October 08, 2014, 04:19:09 PM
What do you guys think you would give up for Garlett?

Would have to be a fourth-rounder wouldn't it? Our 3rd rounder is dedicated to Stretch and our second rounder would be too high. Unless you have your eye on a player?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on October 08, 2014, 05:58:35 PM
I was thinking Pick 61, but it does seem a touch low...

Will happily give you Sam Blease or James Strauss as well?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: nrich102 on October 08, 2014, 06:00:37 PM
You'd have to give them a first round pick for them to take Blease (with no Carlton players involved) :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on October 08, 2014, 06:03:17 PM
You'd have to give them a first round pick for them to take Blease (with no Carlton players involved) :P

And people thought me stupid mid-season when I said Blease would get delisted   :P in fact they questioned whether I supported the dees  ::)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Vinny on October 08, 2014, 06:04:54 PM
61 is way too low for a player that kicked 40 goals just a year ago. He had a tough season but can still play and is young plus has runs on the board guys.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: nrich102 on October 08, 2014, 06:07:36 PM
You'd have to give them a first round pick for them to take Blease (with no Carlton players involved) :P

And people thought me stupid mid-season when I said Blease would get delisted   :P in fact they questioned whether I supported the dees  ::)
Haha. Spuds!

61 is too low, but a second rounder is too high, I think that Blease/Strauss should be part of the deal.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on October 08, 2014, 06:15:40 PM
You'd have to give them a first round pick for them to take Blease (with no Carlton players involved) :P

And people thought me stupid mid-season when I said Blease would get delisted   :P in fact they questioned whether I supported the dees  ::)

You sure that wasn't just PB having a laugh?  :P

61 is way too low for a player that kicked 40 goals just a year ago. He had a tough season but can still play and is young plus has runs on the board guys.

How about Pick 21 for Garlett + 45? Might work if we can land Sam Frost with that pick
Ideal situation for you guys would be upgrading from 7 to 3 but you would need to offer more than Garlett for that
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on October 08, 2014, 06:15:44 PM
61 is way too low for a player that kicked 40 goals just a year ago. He had a tough season but can still play and is young plus has runs on the board guys.

I definitely agree. It's just Carlton did the brave move of saying we'll trade Garlett/Robinson or delist them, big market value killer  :-\
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Grazz on October 08, 2014, 06:22:59 PM
61 is way too low for a player that kicked 40 goals just a year ago. He had a tough season but can still play and is young plus has runs on the board guys.

I definitely agree. It's just Carlton did the brave move of saying we'll trade Garlett/Robinson or delist them, big market value killer  :-\

Yeh was thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Toga on October 08, 2014, 06:28:14 PM
61 is way too low for a player that kicked 40 goals just a year ago. He had a tough season but can still play and is young plus has runs on the board guys.

I definitely agree. It's just Carlton did the brave move of saying we'll trade Garlett/Robinson or delist them, big market value killer  :-\

Agree with this ^

61 is too low but Carlton didn't do their value any good by saying that
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on October 08, 2014, 08:34:28 PM
Pick 7 + Garlett + Robinson

For pick 3

Would be a good trade for Melbourne might need to give Carlton a 3rd rounder to even it out slightly

A win win for both clubs gives Carlton a better choice of a tall they might want
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: valkorum on October 09, 2014, 04:49:26 PM
Demons give up 61 and 79 to get Garlett and pick 83

Nicely done Melbourne. 
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: WCarey18 on October 09, 2014, 04:52:19 PM
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Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on October 09, 2014, 04:53:25 PM
Melbourne have done very well here  :D one of the most dangerous small forwards from 2011-2013, and we get him with a fourth rounder.

Absolutely stoked!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on October 09, 2014, 04:56:27 PM
Absolutely stoked!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on October 09, 2014, 04:58:23 PM
I think this is more good news boys.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-09/demons-content-with-picks-two-and-three

Looks like you're keeping two and three.

Means Brayshaw is definitely yours. I wonder who you guys will grab with 3... McCartin or Wright?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Toga on October 09, 2014, 05:11:08 PM
Will be interesting... Imagine a fwd line of McCartin and Hogan in five years time! ;)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on October 09, 2014, 05:13:18 PM
Will be interesting... Imagine a fwd line of McCartin and Hogan in five years time! ;)
And my man Kris Doors.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on October 09, 2014, 05:17:23 PM
Roos has stated several times that he prefers to recruit KPFs from other clubs - Apparently special TAC rules make it much harder to judge them. Doubt we will take McCartin/Wright and i'm pretty sure he's already said we won't. I wonder who we would take though?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on October 09, 2014, 05:29:53 PM
Surely the saints will be draft a key forward with pick 1 instead of going Petrecca? They need someone to help Nroo?

Oh wait... Membrey. Damn.

Nah I don't think Roos will get a KPP either. Pretty sure he's not keen to get more longer-term options and try to limit the rebuild period. Which is just one of the reasons I love this man.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Toga on October 09, 2014, 05:31:25 PM
That will make it interesting though, as apart from Petracca, Heeney and Brayshaw there aren't any other real standouts!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on October 09, 2014, 05:32:14 PM
Also, I still think we'll trade one of them. Melbourne announced something like this this time last year with Pick 2 yeah? I reckon it's just a strategy, a message to rival clubs that melbourne aren't forcing themselves to trade one of these picks, and will encourage serious offers.

Still early days in the trade period. My tip is that Pick 3 will be involved in another Tyson-esque deal.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on October 09, 2014, 05:33:02 PM
Roos has stated several times that he prefers to recruit KPFs from other clubs - Apparently special TAC rules make it much harder to judge them. Doubt we will take McCartin/Wright and i'm pretty sure he's already said we won't. I wonder who we would take though?
It's probably going to be a Bontempelli style situation where the Dees see somebody they like that could/should go a bit later than 3 but at the same time getting them with it is justified.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on October 09, 2014, 05:34:34 PM
That will make it interesting though, as apart from Petracca, Heeney and Brayshaw there aren't any other real standouts!

Another reason to trade Pick 3  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on October 14, 2014, 09:23:56 AM
Devastating  :'(

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-10-14/trengove-reaggravates-navicular-injury (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-10-14/trengove-reaggravates-navicular-injury)

But I finally see the reason why we might have traded him  ::) Good to hear he is sticking around though, even if we might only see him in 2016  :-\
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on October 14, 2014, 03:35:26 PM
:( Wonder if Richmond discovered the problem
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Toga on October 14, 2014, 06:01:51 PM
Sounds like it did come up in the medical they did with Jack at Richmond :(

Really harsh news for him but sounds like he's in pretty good spirits about it and thinks he can come through it all, all the best to him
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Grazz on October 16, 2014, 12:41:11 PM
GWS has just traded Sam Frost, picks 40 & 53 to Melbourne for its pick 23
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: GoLions on November 07, 2014, 12:00:18 AM
You know how they were saying on Bigfooty (I think) that Josh Kennedy was gonna come to Melbourne?

Well, it happened! (http://www.watoday.com.au/sport/soccer/josh-kennedy-to-join-melbourne-city-20141106-11hxh9.html)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mr.Craig on November 07, 2014, 12:38:13 AM
Josh Kennedy to Melbourne! Far out, did not see that coming. :o
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on November 07, 2014, 06:53:42 AM
Wow that's amazing! Just have to wait until his contract finishes in December  8) 8)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: ossie85 on November 07, 2014, 07:28:14 AM
*slow clap*
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on November 07, 2014, 08:42:49 AM
lol well played
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Grazz on November 10, 2014, 12:08:18 AM
Well ya got me.  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on December 01, 2014, 03:25:25 PM
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/melbourne/news/2014-12-01/grimes-steps-down-as-cocaptain

MELBOURNE's Jack Grimes has stepped down as Co-Captain of the Club. Grimes informed his teammates of his decision at the Club on Monday afternoon.

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on December 01, 2014, 03:33:02 PM
Good decision - Was made captain too early on and now needs to focus on how he plays and improving that
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on December 01, 2014, 04:17:04 PM
I still love ya Jack, I still think you're capable of doing it, but no shame in stepping down to focus on your game, which is more important.

Nathan Jones is the guy I picture when I think of my Dees, so it makes sense that he would be the sole captain of the club, should the dees opt for it.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on December 01, 2014, 04:18:22 PM
Brayshaw will be the next one
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on December 01, 2014, 04:20:52 PM
Brayshaw will be the next one

He will have to get in line behind Viney
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on December 04, 2014, 02:25:52 PM
Melbourne has also handed out their jumper numbers to their newest recruits.
Angus Brayshaw - #10
Christian Petracca - #26
Oscar McDonald - #28
Alex Neal-Bullen - #30
Aaron Vandenberg - #37
Mitchell White - #41
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on December 04, 2014, 02:31:55 PM
I think it's safe to say Brayshaw (by reports) is the complete opposite to certain top 5 draft that used to wear number 10...
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on December 04, 2014, 02:36:30 PM
I think it's safe to say Brayshaw (by reports) is the complete opposite to certain top 5 draft that used to wear number 10...
#gonebutnotforgotten
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on December 06, 2014, 10:45:33 AM
Melbourne
B: Neville Jetta, Lynden Dunn, Colin Garland
HB: Heritier Lumumba, Tom McDonald, Jack Watts
C: Jack Viney, Bernie Vince, Daniel Cross
HF: Jeremy Howe, Cameron Pedersen, Dean Kent
F: Christian Salem, Jesse Hogan, Jeff Garlett
R: Mark Jamar, Nathan Jones, Dom Tyson   
I/C: Jack Grimes, Viv Michie, Sam Frost
Sub: Angus Brayshaw

New: Heritier Lumumba (Collingwood), Jeff Garlett (Carlton), Sam Frost (Greater Western Sydney)
Unavailable: Chris Dawes (suspended), Jack Trengove (navicular injury)

Comment: Max Gawn is most unlucky to miss the best 22, but he will be ready to pounce if Mark Jamar's form drops. We've preferred Angus Brayshaw to Christian Petracca on nothing more than the fact he looks slightly more prepared to play at this stage. That could change by round one. Viv Michie gets a spot based on excellent form in the last month of the season but there is little doubt you could toss a coin and replace him with Rohan Bail, Aidan Riley, Ben Newton, Jordie McKenzie or Jay Kennedy-Harris. Melbourne's midfield depth has increased although its win tally remained small last year, and the club appears over-reliant on a 19-year-old key forward by the name of Jesse Hogan, who is yet to play a game. - Peter Ryan

Michie over Petracca is laughable
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on December 06, 2014, 11:09:47 AM
I'd actually have Michie in over Petracca too, at this stage (At least for round 1). Petracca's had a week of training, so it's hard to tell if he'll be ready to go straight into a full AFL game for round 1. Conditioning will be a key factor for him.

My preferred line-up for round 1 at this stage is:

B: Jetta              Frost            Garland
HB: Lumumba     McDonald     Dunn

C: Vince             Jones           Watts

HF: Toumpas      Pedersen       Kent
F: Howe             Hogan          Garlett

R: Jamar            Viney           Tyson

I: Cross             Michie          Grimes

S: Salem

EMER: Gawn      Brayshaw      Kennedy-Harris
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on December 06, 2014, 11:20:06 AM
Toumpas over Brayshaw? wat.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on December 06, 2014, 12:09:44 PM
Toumpas over Brayshaw? wat.

He's training extremely well at the moment. Added a hard edge (with a haircut/beard to match), is also over his low confidence issues.

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on December 06, 2014, 12:51:07 PM
Toumpas over Brayshaw? wat.

He's training extremely well at the moment. Added a hard edge (with a haircut/beard to match), is also over his low confidence issues.

Until he makes one skill error then is down in the dumps... but yeah, I'd have him over Brayshaw too.


Only change to MTTY's team, is I'd swap Toumpas and Watts, as I want to see Watts in the forward line personally.

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: quinny88 on December 06, 2014, 09:30:28 PM
Let's be honest, Petrecca and Brayshaw will both be out there round 1
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on December 06, 2014, 10:57:05 PM
Let's be honest, Petrecca and Brayshaw will both be out there round 1

Not as easy a decision as you think. I reckon they'll be made to earn it
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: quinny88 on December 06, 2014, 11:49:59 PM
Let's be honest, Petrecca and Brayshaw will both be out there round 1

Not as easy a decision as you think. I reckon they'll be made to earn it

Obviously they won't be gifted a game but if they get through a good pre season they will play round 1. Would gladly put money on that
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mat0369 on December 07, 2014, 12:39:22 AM
I think it's safe to say Brayshaw (by reports) is the complete opposite to certain top 5 draft that used to wear number 10...

My mate used to refer to him as "Future Hall Of Famer Cale Morton".
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on December 07, 2014, 09:24:43 AM
Let's be honest, Petrecca and Brayshaw will both be out there round 1

Not as easy a decision as you think. I reckon they'll be made to earn it

Obviously they won't be gifted a game but if they get through a good pre season they will play round 1. Would gladly put money on that

I still think Roos will value the experience of Michie or the skills of Salem/Toumpas more



Those who see Frost in the best 22, do you think Dunn will be freed up in more of a rebounding role?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on December 07, 2014, 09:49:27 AM
Let's be honest, Petrecca and Brayshaw will both be out there round 1

Not as easy a decision as you think. I reckon they'll be made to earn it

Obviously they won't be gifted a game but if they get through a good pre season they will play round 1. Would gladly put money on that

I still think Roos will value the experience of Michie or the skills of Salem/Toumpas more



Those who see Frost in the best 22, do you think Dunn will be freed up in more of a rebounding role?

I think Dunn play's his best footy in a rebounding role, I really rate his kick. I think he was playing that role in that glorious month where he came in the All-Aus calculations briefly?

Although he seems to be able to do it, I never really picture him being a one-on-one defender.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on December 07, 2014, 02:36:31 PM
I'll still stick with my team as above. Both Petracca and Brayshaw have deficiencies that will need to be improved this pre-season before they play an unsub game. If they are able to address them then yes, they very well could be in the team, however I think they'll both start the year in VFL. Petracca really needs to improve his tank before he earns his debut.

I reckon Dunn will shift to a rebounding role, and possibly go up as a third man in contests. I prefer him in a rebounding role especially given his kick
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on December 08, 2014, 08:42:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeTqBCG5T7k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeTqBCG5T7k)

This year's highlights
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Noz on December 08, 2014, 08:46:36 PM
Obviously Melbourne have done extremely well over the past couple of years so its pretty toughfor the 2 of the best young players in the country to get into the starting lineup.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on December 08, 2014, 09:29:01 PM
Obviously Melbourne have done extremely well over the past couple of years so its pretty toughfor the 2 of the best young players in the country to get into the starting lineup.

Obviously.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on December 08, 2014, 10:30:13 PM
Obviously Melbourne have done extremely well over the past couple of years so its pretty toughfor the 2 of the best young players in the country to get into the starting lineup.

Because we all know that success in the TAC cup translates directly to AFL  ::)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ziplock on December 08, 2014, 10:40:17 PM
Obviously Melbourne have done extremely well over the past couple of years so its pretty toughfor the 2 of the best young players in the country to get into the starting lineup.

Because we all know that success in the TAC cup translates directly to AFL  ::)
and melbourne have been prime at drafting high draft picks who can make an immediate afl impact :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: quinny88 on December 08, 2014, 10:44:34 PM
Yeah I wouldn't actually be surprised if they held them back just to avoid the unwanted pressure and hype on them.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Noz on December 08, 2014, 10:45:45 PM
Obviously Melbourne have done extremely well over the past couple of years so its pretty toughfor the 2 of the best young players in the country to get into the starting lineup.

Because we all know that success in the TAC cup translates directly to AFL  ::)

Oh and normally your team is jam packed with successful players.

If Brayshaw and Petracca both aren't in the lineup come round 1 then its a joke, These 2 are (behind Heeney) are the best players to have come out of this years draft, Baring any injury they are both ready for round 1.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: quinny88 on December 08, 2014, 10:51:15 PM
Obviously Melbourne have done extremely well over the past couple of years so its pretty toughfor the 2 of the best young players in the country to get into the starting lineup.

Because we all know that success in the TAC cup translates directly to AFL  ::)

Oh and normally your team is jam packed with successful players.

If Brayshaw and Petracca both aren't in the lineup come round 1 then its a joke, These 2 are (behind Heeney) are the best players to have come out of this years draft, Baring any injury they are both ready for round 1.

Agree with Noz (sounds weird saying that) but Melbourne have been accused of throwing kids in the deep end and seeing them as saviours of the club and it's failed on every occasion so they may make a deliberate point to take it extra slow with them.
Still would be shocked if they don't both play round 1 but could understand the reasoning behind not playing them straight away
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on December 08, 2014, 11:00:45 PM
Obviously Melbourne have done extremely well over the past couple of years so its pretty toughfor the 2 of the best young players in the country to get into the starting lineup.

Because we all know that success in the TAC cup translates directly to AFL  ::)

Oh and normally your team is jam packed with successful players.

If Brayshaw and Petracca both aren't in the lineup come round 1 then its a joke, These 2 are (behind Heeney) are the best players to have come out of this years draft, Baring any injury they are both ready for round 1.

100% man I was agreeing with you. Everyone knows that if you can play well against other 18 year olds, you will have an immediate impact in the AFL. If you're drafted in the top 10, you don't even need to train. You're already better than those guys who have had 3  or 4 years in the system.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: TeeJay on December 08, 2014, 11:13:04 PM
Melbourne supporters are so used to their high draft picks being flops that they don't want them to play just incase they turn out no good too  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Noz on December 08, 2014, 11:14:20 PM
Obviously Melbourne have done extremely well over the past couple of years so its pretty toughfor the 2 of the best young players in the country to get into the starting lineup.

Because we all know that success in the TAC cup translates directly to AFL  ::)

Oh and normally your team is jam packed with successful players.

If Brayshaw and Petracca both aren't in the lineup come round 1 then its a joke, These 2 are (behind Heeney) are the best players to have come out of this years draft, Baring any injury they are both ready for round 1.

100% man I was agreeing with you. Everyone knows that if you can play well against other 18 year olds, you will have an immediate impact in the AFL. If you're drafted in the top 10, you don't even need to train. You're already better than those guys who have had 3  or 4 years in the system.

If your going to continue this smart remarks then theres no point in even continuing this conversation.

There are half a dozen blokes each yeah in the draft that are ready to go, They don't need 3/4 years in the system to adjust then go go straight from the get go and Petracca and Brayshaw are 2 of those players.

McCartin and Moore might not both be ready for round 1 as it takes key forwards a bit longer to adjust to the AFL system (learning running patterns, adjusting to the way there forward line works, etc)

Petracca, Brayshaw, Duggan, De Goey and Pickett re just some names that can go from round 1 next year. Boekhurst and Maynard are others
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ziplock on December 08, 2014, 11:27:48 PM
Melbourne supporters are so used to their high draft picks being flops that they don't want them to play just incase they turn out no good too  ;D ;D ;D

maybe they wont play them because they'll be awesome, and they don't want everyone else to go- well, wtf happened with all those other top 5 picks?!?!?!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: TeeJay on December 09, 2014, 07:47:20 AM
It's not about them being in the best 22 (which they probably are anyway) it's about getting as many games into them as soon as possible. They are the best young talent in the country. They will learn more in a week in the AFL than they will in 6 weeks running around in the magoos. Melbourne can't afford to sit around and wait to give their star kids a nice little ease into AFL footy like some of the top sides can do. There are no easy games for Melbourne and the sooner they are playing, the closer they will be to becoming consistent afl players and helping to make Melbourne a respectable club again
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: TeeJay on December 09, 2014, 07:54:14 AM
And are you really talking about guys like Newton and Michie being in the side ahead of them  :o
2 guys that make up the numbers. They have played about 10 games between them in 4 years.
You would be out of your mind to play them ahead of Petrecca and Brayshaw. Neeld might have gone with that option but I have faith that Roosey has more sense than that and will get his young guns on the park from round 1.

That's like saying the saints will hold off on Mccartin and play Tom Lee round 1 because he's got more experience
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on December 09, 2014, 08:48:55 AM
And are you really talking about guys like Newton and Michie being in the side ahead of them  :o
The reason these two are so hyped and people are talking about them being in the side of Petracca and Brayshaw are because they actually are good enough. They weren't first round draft picks, Newton went at #35, Michie was #44. They worked hard and showed talent, but they originally played for Port and Freo respectively. Newton and Michie (once he got on the park after being dogged by injury for his first two seasons) dominated the SANFL and WAFL respectively, but couldn't break into the midfields to play a lot of games.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on December 09, 2014, 08:49:23 AM
And are you really talking about guys like Newton and Michie being in the side ahead of them  :o
2 guys that make up the numbers. They have played about 10 games between them in 4 years.
You would be out of your mind to play them ahead of Petrecca and Brayshaw. Neeld might have gone with that option but I have faith that Roosey has more sense than that and will get his young guns on the park from round 1.

That's like saying the saints will hold off on Mccartin and play Tom Lee round 1 because he's got more experience

It's not about them being in the best 22 (which they probably are anyway) it's about getting as many games into them as soon as possible. They are the best young talent in the country. They will learn more in a week in the AFL than they will in 6 weeks running around in the magoos. Melbourne can't afford to sit around and wait to give their star kids a nice little ease into AFL footy like some of the top sides can do. There are no easy games for Melbourne and the sooner they are playing, the closer they will be to becoming consistent afl players and helping to make Melbourne a respectable club again

Valid points.


I guess I (and melb supporters) just want to see what Newton and Michie can do. They have/had a lot of hype when they came over, I guess Petraccattack and Brayshaw do too.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Noz on December 09, 2014, 10:06:17 AM
Newton is a gun.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on December 09, 2014, 10:40:18 AM
I just typed up like 3 paragraphs but then my page decided to refresh  :'(

Anyway, Brayshaw or Petracca may very well get a game in round one. But they aren't entitled to it just because "Melbourne are shower so any player could get a game there hahaha look at me I'm funny". They have to actually be one of the best 22 players at the club. And at the moment, Newton, Michie and Toumpas are ahead of them.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on December 09, 2014, 02:38:57 PM
I just typed up like 3 paragraphs but then my page decided to refresh  :'(

Anyway, Brayshaw or Petracca may very well get a game in round one. But they aren't entitled to it just because "Melbourne are shower so any player could get a game there hahaha look at me I'm funny". They have to actually be one of the best 22 players at the club. And at the moment, Newton, Michie and Toumpas are ahead of them.

Exactly ^

If we were playing a game tomorrow, they wouldn't be in the team. Which is my point, they both have things that have to be improved on, through the pre-season, if they are to play in round 1 and push past others. If they are able to do that then by all means they play round 1, if not then they won't.

They are not automatic selections at this point just because their bodies are ready made, they dominated U18s and are two highly touted prospects.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: quinny88 on December 09, 2014, 04:49:32 PM
I just typed up like 3 paragraphs but then my page decided to refresh  :'(

Anyway, Brayshaw or Petracca may very well get a game in round one. But they aren't entitled to it just because "Melbourne are shower so any player could get a game there hahaha look at me I'm funny". They have to actually be one of the best 22 players at the club. And at the moment, Newton, Michie and Toumpas are ahead of them.

Exactly ^

If we were playing a game tomorrow, they wouldn't be in the team. Which is my point, they both have things that have to be improved on, through the pre-season, if they are to play in round 1 and push past others. If they are able to do that then by all means they play round 1, if not then they won't.

They are not automatic selections at this point just because their bodies are ready made, they dominated U18s and are two highly touted prospects.

Not bashing Melbourne but they don't need to be best 22 to play. Melbourne are rebuilding. You don't get improvement by playing the same mediocre players just to keep scores respectable. These kids could take a couple of years to technically be in the "best 22 players" but their upside is far greater than most of the team and will only start to really develop once they are playing AFL games as teejay said.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: quinny88 on December 09, 2014, 04:51:57 PM
But yes I also agree that they aren't just walk up starts because they were high draft picks.
But really, unless they are arrogant flogs that actually think that then they are going to train hard to put their hand up for round one
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on December 09, 2014, 04:56:34 PM
yeah as long as they show Roos they can play 2 way footy most likely will play imo but if he thinks they airnt ready the shouldn't rush them and damage there confidence is as simple as that really i back Roos to make the right choice you even have ANB who was seen as AFL ready
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on December 09, 2014, 05:15:20 PM
I just typed up like 3 paragraphs but then my page decided to refresh  :'(

Anyway, Brayshaw or Petracca may very well get a game in round one. But they aren't entitled to it just because "Melbourne are shower so any player could get a game there hahaha look at me I'm funny". They have to actually be one of the best 22 players at the club. And at the moment, Newton, Michie and Toumpas are ahead of them.

Exactly ^

If we were playing a game tomorrow, they wouldn't be in the team. Which is my point, they both have things that have to be improved on, through the pre-season, if they are to play in round 1 and push past others. If they are able to do that then by all means they play round 1, if not then they won't.

They are not automatic selections at this point just because their bodies are ready made, they dominated U18s and are two highly touted prospects.

Not bashing Melbourne but they don't need to be best 22 to play. Melbourne are rebuilding. You don't get improvement by playing the same mediocre players just to keep scores respectable. These kids could take a couple of years to technically be in the "best 22 players" but their upside is far greater than most of the team and will only start to really develop once they are playing AFL games as teejay said.

I think I disagree with you here. Players like Michie, Newton and Toumpas, who the younger guys will be competing with for a spot, aren't just the same old mediocre players. They're all very skilled players who either haven't had a chance at AFL level or have struggled with injury. I can definitely see them playing a key role in Melbourne's future and as part of the team that will be handed over to Goodwin. The new draftees aren't going to be treated differently because they somehow have 'more potential'. They are on the same footing as everyone else in the team, and will be treated as such. They're in the AFL now, all their efforts as a junior are forgotten and they are made to work for their chances. Maybe I overrate the VFL but imo it can be crucial in developing key aspects of a player's game (i.e. working defensively, two-way running etc) and in building their confidence.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: quinny88 on December 09, 2014, 06:47:42 PM
I just typed up like 3 paragraphs but then my page decided to refresh  :'(

Anyway, Brayshaw or Petracca may very well get a game in round one. But they aren't entitled to it just because "Melbourne are shower so any player could get a game there hahaha look at me I'm funny". They have to actually be one of the best 22 players at the club. And at the moment, Newton, Michie and Toumpas are ahead of them.

Exactly ^

If we were playing a game tomorrow, they wouldn't be in the team. Which is my point, they both have things that have to be improved on, through the pre-season, if they are to play in round 1 and push past others. If they are able to do that then by all means they play round 1, if not then they won't.

They are not automatic selections at this point just because their bodies are ready made, they dominated U18s and are two highly touted prospects.

Not bashing Melbourne but they don't need to be best 22 to play. Melbourne are rebuilding. You don't get improvement by playing the same mediocre players just to keep scores respectable. These kids could take a couple of years to technically be in the "best 22 players" but their upside is far greater than most of the team and will only start to really develop once they are playing AFL games as teejay said.

I think I disagree with you here. Players like Michie, Newton and Toumpas, who the younger guys will be competing with for a spot, aren't just the same old mediocre players. They're all very skilled players who either haven't had a chance at AFL level or have struggled with injury. I can definitely see them playing a key role in Melbourne's future and as part of the team that will be handed over to Goodwin. The new draftees aren't going to be treated differently because they somehow have 'more potential'. They are on the same footing as everyone else in the team, and will be treated as such. They're in the AFL now, all their efforts as a junior are forgotten and they are made to work for their chances. Maybe I overrate the VFL but imo it can be crucial in developing key aspects of a player's game (i.e. working defensively, two-way running etc) and in building their confidence.

I agree with you in part but the bottom line is they are still considered the best young guns in the country this year. They are on an even playing field now but they were still drafted at #2 and #3 for a reason and naturally should be expected to be future stars. Not discrediting your other players but there is still a gap in expectation and there is a reason for that.
Take someone like Ollie Wines for example. I'm sure as an 18 year old he wasn't technically in the "best 22" but Port threw him in right from round 1 of his first year and he went from strength to strength.
I can understand taking time with players that don't have AFL ready bodies or key forwards that will get mauled but 2 midfielders that were earmarked as top draft picks for a couple of years and are both good sizes should be in from round 1.
We don't know what goes on behind the scenes and if the coaches see they have too many deficiencies to work on but I dare say they would be eager learners
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Noz on December 09, 2014, 11:21:00 PM
Jack Viney, Jimmy Toumpas, Matt Jones, Jack Trengove, Tom Scully, Jay Kennedy-Harris were all high level draft picks taking by Melbourne over previous years that all debuted in round 1.

If you draft a player in the first round and you dont expect him pushing for selection in the 1st game of the season then you have drafted the wrong player.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on December 10, 2014, 12:34:15 PM
Just wondering MTTY and Mac, if you read the Demonland training reports on Monday, Wednesday and Friday?

Is interesting reading, they do a good job reporting on what is going on. The overwhelming reports though are is that Toumpas seems to be a man on a mission, and killing every session he does, which to me is possibly the best thing I could hope to hear.

But Toumpas had a good pre-season last year didn't he? Or did he have a niggle at some point? Nonetheless, by all reports he seems to be our best trainer so far.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: ossie85 on December 10, 2014, 12:35:13 PM
Just wondering MTTY and Mac, if you read the Demonland training reports on Monday, Wednesday and Friday?

Is interesting reading, they do a good job reporting on what is going on. The overwhelming reports though are is that Toumpas seems to be a man on a mission, and killing every session he does, which to me is possibly the best thing I could to hear.

But Toumpas had a good pre-season last year didn't he? Or did he have a niggle at some point? Nonetheless, by all reports he seems to be our best trainer so far.

lol, that was almost a positive comment about Toumpas from you Purp. The amount of hate I hear from you about this player lol
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on December 10, 2014, 12:36:50 PM
Just wondering MTTY and Mac, if you read the Demonland training reports on Monday, Wednesday and Friday?

Is interesting reading, they do a good job reporting on what is going on. The overwhelming reports though are is that Toumpas seems to be a man on a mission, and killing every session he does, which to me is possibly the best thing I could to hear.

But Toumpas had a good pre-season last year didn't he? Or did he have a niggle at some point? Nonetheless, by all reports he seems to be our best trainer so far.

lol, that was almost a positive comment about Toumpas from you Purp. The amount of hate I hear from you about this player lol

 :P I think it's my desire for him to prove me wrong and not be another failed high draft pick which is behind my support for him haha
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Pkbaldy on December 10, 2014, 01:12:46 PM
Just wondering MTTY and Mac, if you read the Demonland training reports on Monday, Wednesday and Friday?

Is interesting reading, they do a good job reporting on what is going on. The overwhelming reports though are is that Toumpas seems to be a man on a mission, and killing every session he does, which to me is possibly the best thing I could to hear.

But Toumpas had a good pre-season last year didn't he? Or did he have a niggle at some point? Nonetheless, by all reports he seems to be our best trainer so far.

lol, that was almost a positive comment about Toumpas from you Purp. The amount of hate I hear from you about this player lol

 :P I think it's my desire for him to prove me wrong and not be another failed high draft pick which is behind my support for him haha

I like to think of it as another fail from the development team... Having all these failing high draft picks can't be coincidental....Clearly your old development team was useless.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on December 10, 2014, 01:44:55 PM
Just wondering MTTY and Mac, if you read the Demonland training reports on Monday, Wednesday and Friday?

Is interesting reading, they do a good job reporting on what is going on. The overwhelming reports though are is that Toumpas seems to be a man on a mission, and killing every session he does, which to me is possibly the best thing I could to hear.

But Toumpas had a good pre-season last year didn't he? Or did he have a niggle at some point? Nonetheless, by all reports he seems to be our best trainer so far.

lol, that was almost a positive comment about Toumpas from you Purp. The amount of hate I hear from you about this player lol

 :P I think it's my desire for him to prove me wrong and not be another failed high draft pick which is behind my support for him haha

I like to think of it as another fail from the development team... Having all these failing high draft picks can't be coincidental....Clearly your old development team was useless.

Well, he isn't a fail, not yet anyway.

But yes, the development team is to blame, but thankfully they are all well and truly gone now.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: MTTY on December 10, 2014, 04:10:03 PM
Just wondering MTTY and Mac, if you read the Demonland training reports on Monday, Wednesday and Friday?

Is interesting reading, they do a good job reporting on what is going on. The overwhelming reports though are is that Toumpas seems to be a man on a mission, and killing every session he does, which to me is possibly the best thing I could hope to hear.

But Toumpas had a good pre-season last year didn't he? Or did he have a niggle at some point? Nonetheless, by all reports he seems to be our best trainer so far.

Yeah I read all of the training reports on Demonland, Purple. Definitely agree re Toumpas. I think last pre-season he started well, but may have picked up a few niggles?? Either way he's in much better shape this pre-season.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on December 10, 2014, 05:04:02 PM
Just wondering MTTY and Mac, if you read the Demonland training reports on Monday, Wednesday and Friday?

Is interesting reading, they do a good job reporting on what is going on. The overwhelming reports though are is that Toumpas seems to be a man on a mission, and killing every session he does, which to me is possibly the best thing I could hope to hear.

But Toumpas had a good pre-season last year didn't he? Or did he have a niggle at some point? Nonetheless, by all reports he seems to be our best trainer so far.

Yeah I read all of the training reports on Demonland, Purple. Definitely agree re Toumpas. I think last pre-season he started well, but may have picked up a few niggles?? Either way he's in much better shape this pre-season.

Yeh I read them as well. I also read the Facebook one sometimes although the guy who writes them can be a bit odd :P I remember reading that Toumpas had an interrupted preseason but can't remember why.

Lumumba also seems to be training really well. Giving a lot of advice to the younger guys and really stepping up as a leader.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on December 12, 2014, 05:49:13 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/cMqhK4s.png)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on December 12, 2014, 05:53:24 PM
Photo taken personally Mac?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on December 12, 2014, 05:59:13 PM
Photo taken personally Mac?

Zoomed in on him from my car actually
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on December 12, 2014, 06:05:26 PM
Photo taken personally Mac?

Zoomed in on him from my car actually

Awesome! A touch jealous, I reckon If I lived in Victoria I'd watch a training session here and there haha.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on December 12, 2014, 06:51:39 PM
Photo taken personally Mac?

Zoomed in on him from my car actually

Awesome! A touch jealous, I reckon If I lived in Victoria I'd watch a training session here and there haha.

Haha I didn't actually take the photo that would be a bit creepy - found it on demonland. I should get down to a training session though
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Noz on December 12, 2014, 09:09:36 PM
2015 Best and Fairest top 10 predictions

1 - Ben Newton
2 - Nathan Jones
3 - Jesse Hogan
4 - Angus Brayshaw
5 - Christian Petracca
6 - Jack Viney
7 - Dom Tyson
8 - Jeremy Howe
9 - Heritier Lumumba
10 - Aiden Riley
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on December 12, 2014, 09:29:49 PM
I'll give you $10000000 if Newton finishes higher than Nathan Jones with a comparable amount of games
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on December 15, 2014, 08:39:01 PM
http://instagram.com/p/wnpfA_je_j/?modal=true (http://instagram.com/p/wnpfA_je_j/?modal=true)

It's gonna be a while before we see Trenners on the field again
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on December 16, 2014, 08:38:32 AM
http://instagram.com/p/wnpfA_je_j/?modal=true (http://instagram.com/p/wnpfA_je_j/?modal=true)

It's gonna be a while before we see Trenners on the field again

 :(
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Toga on December 16, 2014, 01:36:41 PM
That is ridiculous! :o
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on December 16, 2014, 03:21:44 PM
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-12-16/watts-undertakes-revised-training-program

GROIN pain has forced Melbourne's Jack Watts to undertake a revised program in December, but he is expected to return to full training immediately after the Christmas break.

The club decided to wind back his training loads after the 23-year-old noted some groin pain while training in late November.



Max Gawn has made a good comeback from his knee operation and is resuming full training this week.

The improving ruckman injured his meniscus in the final round of 2014 and underwent post-season surgery.

Midfielder Bernie Vince is expected to join in contact work in January after having shoulder surgery post-season.

Mahoney said Vince was back on the track and gradually participating in more drills.

The club is also taking a cautious pre-Christmas approach with Aidan Riley and Dean Terlich, who have both experienced shin problems, and Jake Spencer who is recovering from a back injury.

Midfielder Jack Trengove is now out of a cast after undergoing surgery to repair a navicular injury in October.

"He has moved into the [moon] boot and he will start doing some light load training," Trengove said.


Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on December 16, 2014, 04:36:26 PM
I shudder when I see your name Ric and a link in your post... I've seen too much bad news from such posts haha  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on December 16, 2014, 04:39:40 PM
I shudder when I see your name Ric and a link in your post... I've seen too much bad news from such posts haha  :P
haha its not intentional man! I swear
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on December 16, 2014, 05:25:13 PM
That is ridiculous! :o
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Grazz on December 16, 2014, 06:12:50 PM
http://instagram.com/p/wnpfA_je_j/?modal=true (http://instagram.com/p/wnpfA_je_j/?modal=true)

It's gonna be a while before we see Trenners on the field again

Wow some time needed to get that leg ready for footy.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: JBs-Hawks on December 16, 2014, 07:30:22 PM
Leg day everyday
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on December 19, 2014, 02:09:09 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-12-19/young-dees-knee-relief

MELBOURNE draftee Alex Neal-Bullen has escaped serious knee damage after he was injured in a tackling drill at training on Wednesday.

The 18-year-old, who was selected by the Demons at pick No.40 in last month's NAB AFL Draft, dislocated his patella during the drill and was sent for scans on Friday to determine the extent of the damage.

The scans showed Neal-Bullen had escaped serious injury and the club expects the young midfielder to re-join his teammates at training when they return on January 5.

"Scans today (Friday) showed that there was no serious damage and Alex is due to return to training when all our players return at the beginning of the new year," Demons football manager Josh Mahoney told AFL.com.au.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on December 19, 2014, 03:42:32 PM
I shudder when I see your name Ric and a link in your post... I've seen too much bad news from such posts haha  :P

!!!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on December 19, 2014, 03:44:42 PM
I shudder when I see your name Ric and a link in your post... I've seen too much bad news from such posts haha  :P

!!!
haha sorry mate!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on January 05, 2015, 01:08:28 PM
Hogan tweaked his back today  :(
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on January 05, 2015, 01:11:22 PM
Hogan tweaked his back today  :(

Seems to be minor at least  :(
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: The_Captain on January 05, 2015, 01:13:44 PM
Hogan tweaked his back today  :(

ferkkk
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on January 07, 2015, 06:36:57 PM
I'm going to start copying in some training session reports from bystanders that are at the ground. So Just remember that these aren't written by me and are all copied from posters at Demonland.com. I thought it would be a good idea for us Demon fanatics that don't visit there to see how the team is progressing and for the others looking at the new Melbourne recruits to see if they will make the cut for their fantasy teams. :)

Here goes; From todays training session.

    Hogan only doing running apparently - not in the match simulation that is taking place. (assuming this is due to the issues from Monday)
    Watts' arms finally looking bigger, still doing rehab
    Jones is umpiring the practice match
    Very hot and windy, probably about 50 watching
    Match sim - starts from wing stoppage, idea is kick to the far wing and spread
    Skills down due to wind (hopefully)
    No Roos to be seen
    HL looking the goods at bursting through packs
    Hogan receiving the ball at FF at the end of the sim
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Injured leaders took all of training this morning. Jones, Trengrove etc ...
Maybe due to "empowerment" and self-driven philosophies, or more likely due to the collective bargaining agreement that can't stop players training if senior coaching staff aren't there.
30 plus degrees for whole session I'd say. Almost 3 hours. As usual, Viney, Cross, and Tyson last to leave the track. As usual, Tom Mc lead them in the 700m 'sprint'.
A lot of wind to the freeway end, which as someone else said, may account for the skill errors. JKH and to a lesser extent Gus, aren't clean often enough.
Like the sessions pre-Xmas, a lot of focus on switching play, and offensive running. 10 minute full ground scratch match also included.
Gus Brayshaw is raw, and I reckon will struggle to get a game for the first half of 2015. His kicking ain't A-grade, and they are also trying to get him used to more contact.
Petracca is on modified with a knee I think, is a massive unit, and will play forward with some rotation through the midfield when the heat is off I'd say.
Bernie might have tweaked his hammy. Watts did laps basically. Hardly saw Hogan.
Nothing much else to say, other than the effort was pretty good on a stinker of a morning.
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Jones and Trengove took training this morning, it was planned, the coaching group turned up about 20 minutes from the end, Roosy told me he forgot to set his alarm (I also asked him at the end if he could get the 3k run on Friday advertised, so supporters can watch if they want to).
Only Vandenberg wasn't there, neither was Dave Misson so couldn't check why.
McKenzie was back and did whole session.
Jones gashed his heel with the fin of his board, drove back so Club Doctor could stitch it up.
Asked Jack Trengove where his scooter was, he was on crutches, told me he got rid of it as he will be back on his feet soon.
Hogan is fine, I asked him, think he is getting sick of it being an issue, said he is just following his program, light day today.
Watts is close to full training, said a week or so.
Petracca just had a bit of an issue with his knee, strapping there as a precaution, did the session without a problem, said he is glad he is handling the running a lot better, got absolutely smashed over that initial vision by his so called friends and family, laughs about it now.
Alex Neal-Bullen is running with no pain in the knee he dislocated.
Other chats from the questions that appear here.
Jayden Hunt hoping to play half back, gives him time and space to use speed and kicking.
Angus Brayshaw reckons his skills were sloppy today, but feels he is improving something each session, did the right thing by praising Daniel Cross for leading the way, he was sitting next to him when I was talking to him, note because there was no extra running today most players rated it either a 6 and a half or 7, Cross said 5.
Spoke to both Matt Jones and Cam Pedersen, both just happy to be getting through the sessions, Matt Jones prefers to be under the radar, Pedo has missed only 1 session and Matt Jones not at all, both said they are both feeling the benefits of the diet.
Spoke to everybody's favourite Fitzy, same hasn't missed a session, the diet is working really well,, feeling the best he has been.
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-you can really see that there are a lot more mids out there with the full ground drills. There just seems to be more guys running and demanding the ball and then delivering. It was good to watch Salem, toumpas, Tyson, viney running and demanding, even harmes and hunt.
-garlett moved smoothly and is a very good kick, especially to someone leading straight at him.
-Lumumba is in everything and seems to get the ball multiple times in every drill. Has great agility and speed off the mark. Also has very fast hands which I haven't really noticed before.
-some easy marks were dropped when some players were on their own. Dawes dropped a chest mark under pressure which should have been hands out. i find this very frustrating. to his credit he used his hands for the rest of the session.
-The kicking was actually quite good with a few errors. The Brayshaw errors were on his left foot. A couple in a row. They were also when he seemed to be changing direction and with no momentum. His kicking on the right was pretty good.
-I have never seen more players doing extra things when training was finished. It was about half the list. It would be interesting to know whether cross is a direct influence on this.
-gawn looks awesome. Was leading out of the goal square in some of the drills and he is completing a lot of running.
-I also thought watts looked a bit bigger.
-I said before last preseason that I thought [Pedersen] needed to lose 4 or 5 kgs and he could then contribute. He looks to be fitter again.
-For his size frost is very quick.
-Tmac is a running machine and looks to have put on a couple on the upper body. He and frost could become pretty good pillars at the back.

ENJOY!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: GM on January 07, 2015, 06:45:11 PM
First Class right up Barra , thanks.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on January 07, 2015, 06:53:33 PM
Thanks Barra - I usually read the reports on demonland but hadn't got around to it yet, so thanks for making it easy haha :P

I think there's also a Barra on demonland - Wouldn't happen to be you would it?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on January 07, 2015, 06:57:03 PM
Yeah that's me mate :)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on January 07, 2015, 07:04:04 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5MKB6bCYAAo51Z.jpg)

The new quadzilla?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on January 07, 2015, 08:36:25 PM
Nice stuff Barra, funnily enough I read them just before you posted it  :P

Thanks Barra - I usually read the reports on demonland but hadn't got around to it yet, so thanks for making it easy haha :P

I think there's also a Barra on demonland - Wouldn't happen to be you would it?

Yeah I wondered the same thing haha.

I often think about making an account there, but then again, I don't want every syllable I say to be criticised and torn to shreds  ::)  :P



Think I read today Viney ran the 3 km time trial in 10 min and 7 sec, which is good to hear!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on January 07, 2015, 08:38:33 PM
that's one helluva post Barra!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on January 07, 2015, 08:43:57 PM
hmmm got me thinking about picking Lamumba
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on January 07, 2015, 09:31:56 PM
hmmm got me thinking about picking Lamumba

Has been doing a lot of stoppage work apparently so who knows what Roos will do with him
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on January 08, 2015, 09:05:41 AM
Yeah Lumumba is sitting in my team from all of the reports. Every match sim play they have they say him, Jones and Tyson are having alot of posessions.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on January 08, 2015, 09:10:32 AM
Nice stuff Barra, funnily enough I read them just before you posted it  :P

Thanks Barra - I usually read the reports on demonland but hadn't got around to it yet, so thanks for making it easy haha :P

I think there's also a Barra on demonland - Wouldn't happen to be you would it?

Yeah I wondered the same thing haha.

I often think about making an account there, but then again, I don't want every syllable I say to be criticised and torn to shreds  ::)  :P



Think I read today Viney ran the 3 km time trial in 10 min and 7 sec, which is good to hear!

Yeah looking to beat that, obviously. The Dees have their 3 Km time trial tomorrow so will post the reports from that.

It can be pretty brutal at demonland at times. I'm not a huge poster there, mainly just go for the training reports, news on the Essendon saga as they dig pretty deep on the subject past all the crap and for the fantasy side of things.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on January 20, 2015, 12:28:53 PM
Very very interesting info on Lumumba. Had a line through his name up until now
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on January 20, 2015, 06:03:43 PM
Very very interesting info on Lumumba. Had a line through his name up until now

Indeed, by the sounds of it it seems he will be spending a fair bit of midfield time. Apparently it was Jones, Tyson and Lumumba that seemed to be raking in the disposals in the match simulation a while ago - I think I read that from someone who attended it.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mat0369 on January 30, 2015, 03:15:17 PM
Very very interesting info on Lumumba. Had a line through his name up until now

I think I mentioned this before, my mate went down to training and absolutely hated him before he got to Melbourne. He came out of it saying he looked really good and was surprised by it. I have this feeling with all the reports on H doing a lot of stoppage work that he is going to use him as a big bodied mid which makes me seriously consider him
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on January 31, 2015, 05:11:46 PM
(http://www.aflphotos.com.au/images/thumbs/800/2015/01/29/358209.jpg)

What an epic photo lol
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: T Dog on January 31, 2015, 06:30:13 PM
who is it?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: GM on January 31, 2015, 06:36:41 PM
who is it?
Lynden Dunn I think.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: T Dog on January 31, 2015, 06:43:47 PM
Thanks GM
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on January 31, 2015, 06:44:38 PM
who is it?

Jeremy Howe haha, always seems to have a laugh  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: T Dog on January 31, 2015, 06:45:36 PM
Ohhhh Lord Howe  :-[
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on January 31, 2015, 06:48:43 PM
Ohhhh Lord Howe  :-[

(http://i61.tinypic.com/ejafd3.png)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on January 31, 2015, 08:59:10 PM
Ohhhh Lord Howe  :-[

(http://i61.tinypic.com/ejafd3.png)

He looks so happy....Does he know he plays for Melbourne?

Still think I prefer this shot of Rampe

(http://i.imgur.com/izE01TE.png)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on February 01, 2015, 10:27:27 AM
Ohhhh Lord Howe  :-[

(http://i61.tinypic.com/ejafd3.png)

He looks so happy....Does he know he plays for Melbourne?

Still think I prefer this shot of Rampe

(http://i.imgur.com/izE01TE.png)

Oh wow lol, like a crazed scotsman!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: nrich102 on February 01, 2015, 02:20:46 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-01/demons-most-important (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-01/demons-most-important)

AFL pls. How can you compare a player who hasn't played an AFL game with the spiritual leader of the club?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on February 01, 2015, 02:44:07 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-01/demons-most-important (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-01/demons-most-important)

AFL pls. How can you compare a player who hasn't played an AFL game with the spiritual leader of the club?
This kid is a dead-set gun, but really really hope this external "Watts-like" pressure doesn't become too much.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on February 01, 2015, 03:19:01 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-01/demons-most-important (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-01/demons-most-important)

AFL pls. How can you compare a player who hasn't played an AFL game with the spiritual leader of the club?
This kid is a dead-set gun, but really really hope this external "Watts-like" pressure doesn't become too much.

Hogan would have had several chats with Roos and would know exactly what is expected of him. I'm sure he'll be fine.

That guy must have been pretty desperate for a story though. Any of us could have whipped that shower up in 15 minutes
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on February 01, 2015, 03:27:13 PM
Probably a better comparison would have been Jones v Dawes.

Dawes has his haters, but gee, Melbourne would be in all-sorts without him.

Having said that, Jones by a mile.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Kellogscrunchynut on February 01, 2015, 04:07:49 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-01/demons-most-important (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-01/demons-most-important)

AFL pls. How can you compare a player who hasn't played an AFL game with the spiritual leader of the club?
afl.com in a nutshell.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on February 03, 2015, 10:39:17 AM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-02-03/jones-goes-solo

Jones flying solo as Demons' captain in 2015

MELBOURNE midfielder Nathan Jones will be the Demons' sole captain in 2015.

The 27-year-old will handle the responsibility on his own after sharing the captaincy duties with Jack Grimes in 2014.

Former Collingwood defender Heritier Lumumba is a surprise choice for the club's leadership group, which also includes Grimes, Lynden Dunn, Daniel Cross and Chris Dawes.

Grimes stood down as co-captain in the pre-season to concentrate on his football.

Jones' deputy will be experienced defender Dunn, who becomes vice-captain for the first time.

He was in the club's leadership group last season.

Jones has won three consecutive best and fairest awards with the Demons, but has played in just two finals in his 179 game-career.

He extended his contract in December for four more seasons, tying him to the Demons until the end of 2019.

Dunn, 27, was added to the club's leadership group early in the 2014 season after Mitch Clark retired and has been a solid performer in the past three seasons, finishing inside the top 10 in the club's best and fairest each year.

Missing from last season's leadership group are Colin Garland, Jack Trengove, Mitch Clark and James Frawley.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Noz on February 03, 2015, 11:28:58 AM
Hogan is the most important player for the Melbourne football club here is why i think so:

- No one on the current Melbourne list has the capability of winning the game of their own boot. Apart from Hogan.

- Hogan is the only one on the list that looks like kicking multiple goals each week.

- Hogan is the man to bring them back up the ladder

Nathan Jones is there best player but is he their most important? No. Midfielders are a dime a dozen, A player like Jesse Hogan comes along once every 5 years. He kicked 39 goals in his first season in the VFL and won the Scorpions best and fairest from only playing 15 games. He averaged 6 marks a game. Hogan has all the talent and potential to be one of the best key forwards in the AFL.

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on February 03, 2015, 12:28:42 PM
Don't really see anyone come close to being the spiritual leader that Nathan Jones is, so it makes sense he is the soul captain. I love you Jonesy!


Well done to Dunn though! Completes a massive turnaround for him  :D

Bit unlucky to Garland... I'd probably have him over Lumumba, but whatevs.

I love how 3 out of 6 players in our leadership group were playing elsewhere 3 years ago  ::)  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on February 07, 2015, 06:59:18 PM
Colin Sylvia/Brent Moloney's football career after leaving Melbourne has given me huge insight on the club's state. I mean these were pretty much the two most experienced leaders of the club who were just lazy jackasses
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: nrich102 on February 07, 2015, 07:03:21 PM
I wouldn't call Brent Moloneys time at Brisbane a failure, was pretty good when he played. Injuries and stuff like that caught up with him though  :(
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on February 07, 2015, 07:10:49 PM
I wouldn't call Brent Moloneys time at Brisbane a failure, was pretty good when he played. Injuries and stuff like that caught up with him though  :(

In 2014 he was fine until the end of the season and Leppa chose not to play him at all beyond 5 games. It's staggering to think that a player who managed to go 500 diposals in a season twice got to a point where in one of the most inexperienced teams in Brisbane he doesn't even thought of.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ringo on February 07, 2015, 07:26:03 PM
I wouldn't call Brent Moloneys time at Brisbane a failure, was pretty good when he played. Injuries and stuff like that caught up with him though  :(

In 2014 he was fine until the end of the season and Leppa chose not to play him at all beyond 5 games. It's staggering to think that a player who managed to go 500 diposals in a season twice got to a point where in one of the most inexperienced teams in Brisbane he doesn't even thought of.
Moloney had serious foot injuries which hindered him in 2014 forcing him to retire so i would not consider him a failure especially after his efforts in 2013.  Was instrumental in mentoring Mayes and Aish as well.  Unlike Sylvia he immersed himslef in the club and mentored young ones.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on February 07, 2015, 07:33:26 PM
Colin Sylvia/Brent Moloney's football career after leaving Melbourne has given me huge insight on the club's state. I mean these were pretty much the two most experienced leaders of the club who were just lazy jackasses

What the club state was, totally agree.

One of the major concerns under the Dean Bailey era, was that they were teaching players to play in 'bursts', and really endurance/fitness levels suffered IMO.

I actually think this was one of the handful of good things Neeld did, was to start to get the players fitness at an AFL standard. Dave Misson came on at pretty much the same time, and he is still with us, and I reckon he is largely responsible for getting our fitness back to AFL standard.

Should also note Moloney/Sylvia left during the Neeld tenure.

I just hope that the recent news of Sylvia doesn't make everyone think Melbourne has poor fitness standards currently, which I really think is good now.

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on February 07, 2015, 08:37:42 PM
I wouldn't call Brent Moloneys time at Brisbane a failure, was pretty good when he played. Injuries and stuff like that caught up with him though  :(

In 2014 he was fine until the end of the season and Leppa chose not to play him at all beyond 5 games. It's staggering to think that a player who managed to go 500 diposals in a season twice got to a point where in one of the most inexperienced teams in Brisbane he doesn't even thought of.
Moloney had serious foot injuries which hindered him in 2014 forcing him to retire so i would not consider him a failure especially after his efforts in 2013.  Was instrumental in mentoring Mayes and Aish as well.  Unlike Sylvia he immersed himslef in the club and mentored young ones.

Yes he had a major achilles injury, but he was dropped well before for "team balance" issues http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-01/moloney-still-in-the-mix   (note: that was his last ever game)


Colin Sylvia/Brent Moloney's football career after leaving Melbourne has given me huge insight on the club's state. I mean these were pretty much the two most experienced leaders of the club who were just lazy jackasses

What the club state was, totally agree.

One of the major concerns under the Dean Bailey era, was that they were teaching players to play in 'bursts', and really endurance/fitness levels suffered IMO.

I actually think this was one of the handful of good things Neeld did, was to start to get the players fitness at an AFL standard. Dave Misson came on at pretty much the same time, and he is still with us, and I reckon he is largely responsible for getting our fitness back to AFL standard.

Should also note Moloney/Sylvia left during the Neeld tenure.

I just hope that the recent news of Sylvia doesn't make everyone think Melbourne has poor fitness standards currently, which I really think is good now.

Yeah definitely past tense, although you could maybe argue (not that I would) that fitness played a part in Melbourne's 2nd half of 2014.

I'm sure Roo's wouldn't have played Colin Sylvia at all had he seen him in that state.

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on February 08, 2015, 06:55:23 AM
Yeah definitely past tense, although you could maybe argue (not that I would) that fitness played a part in Melbourne's 2nd half of 2014.

I'm sure Roo's wouldn't have played Colin Sylvia at all had he seen him in that state.

Fair call, and lack of fitness definitely did, but I would pin that on having only a dozen players start Roos' first pre-season fit, and many injuries over the first pre-season.

I read recently that Roos reckons each player needed to complete 25 training sessions prior to the start of practice matches, to be adequately prepared for the NAB Challenge. Only 25 players achieved that last year, we already have 38 complete that this year.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: JBs-Hawks on February 08, 2015, 05:43:52 PM
Moloney played some good footy in Brisbane, I wouldnt put him in the same category as Sylvia.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 08, 2015, 06:06:10 PM
Moloney played some good footy in Brisbane, I wouldnt put him in the same category as Sylvia.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on February 08, 2015, 08:22:19 PM
Moloney played some good footy in Brisbane, I wouldnt put him in the same category as Sylvia.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: nrich102 on February 08, 2015, 08:28:25 PM
Moloney played some good footy in Brisbane, I wouldnt put him in the same category as Sylvia.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on February 08, 2015, 09:22:58 PM
Not really the point. He went over 20 disposals in all of the first 4 games of the season, gets subbed in the 5th and never gets played again.

Sylvia and Moloney aren't and weren't bad players, both when they played at and left Melbourne. They're just undisciplined, lazy  who got off easy being the most experienced players at a bottom club.

If you're disscussing Melbourne (which is what this board is) then Sylvia and Moloney are definitely categorized together.

Melbourne is a lot better with players like Cross and Dawes instead of them
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 08, 2015, 09:32:40 PM
nope
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: JBs-Hawks on February 08, 2015, 09:47:38 PM
Not really the point. He went over 20 disposals in all of the first 4 games of the season, gets subbed in the 5th and never gets played again.

Sylvia and Moloney aren't and weren't bad players, both when they played at and left Melbourne. They're just undisciplined, lazy  who got off easy being the most experienced players at a bottom club.

If you're disscussing Melbourne (which is what this board is) then Sylvia and Moloney are definitely categorized together.

Melbourne is a lot better with players like Cross and Dawes instead of them

Where has their ever been mention of Moloney being undisciciplined and lazy? Please post us some articles and facts rather than pulling statesments out of your arse please. He only played 5 games because of injury that ended his career.

I can get some statements from actual Brisbane employees if you like.

Quote
“Brent is a fantastic character and we are fortunate to have had him as part of our Lions family,” Brisbane football manager Darren Warren said.

“Brent has been a great mentor for our young playing list, in particular our midfielders and will be sorely missed around the club.

“We wish him all the very best in his future endeavours.”

He told the Lions website he wanted to be remembered as an “honest bloke” and a good teammate.

Also a tweet from the Pig himself

https://twitter.com/rockwiz38/status/498646410376404993/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/rockwiz38/status/498646410376404993/photo/1)

Now how about you stop being lazy and undisciliplined and learn abit about footy before make baseless attacks on players.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on February 08, 2015, 09:49:19 PM
nope

Both questionable leaders, both got dropped purely on poor work ethic, both get suspended/leadership and captaincy taken away for poor off-field indiscretions (drinking, driving accidents.

Look on any Demonland thread from 2012, huge questions on "cancerous attitude" spreading through their club. Look where they're at 2 years later.

They sure were great model players for Melbourne!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: nrich102 on February 08, 2015, 09:54:57 PM
How was Moloney a spud at Brisbane? Injuries got the better of him and he retired after 2 years at Brisbane therefore he is a spud?

What he did mentoring our younger guys like Aish was very good. Hardly a spud.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on February 08, 2015, 09:55:10 PM
this whole thing was based on there careers after leaving Melbourne and Moloney was way better at Brisbane then Sylvia at Freo

don't know how you can deny that
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: elephants on February 08, 2015, 09:59:45 PM
this whole thing was based on there careers after leaving Melbourne and Moloney was way better at Brisbane then Sylvia at Freo

don't know how you can deny that

I don't think that's the debate :p
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on February 08, 2015, 10:00:17 PM
this whole thing was based on there careers after leaving Melbourne and Moloney was way better at Brisbane then Sylvia at Freo

don't know how you can deny that
How was Moloney a spud at Brisbane? Injuries got the better of him and he retired after 2 years at Brisbane therefore he is a spud?

What he did mentoring our younger guys like Aish was very good. Hardly a spud.

Why do you guys keep talking about Brisbane in particular, you all keep bringing it up despite the fact my original post was specifically about Melbourne's (hence why this is on a Melbourne board)

Not once did I say Moloney was a bad player, he won a best and fairest for a reason and at one point was the best clearance player in the comp.

I'm just gonna leave before it gets personal lol, evidently Moloney is Jesus re-incarnate
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: nrich102 on February 08, 2015, 10:02:15 PM
I'm just gonna leave before it gets personal lol, evidently Moloney is Jesus re-incarnate
Says he's going to leave before it gets personal, insults Christians  ::)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: My Chumps on February 09, 2015, 06:34:23 AM
I'm just gonna leave before it gets personal lol, evidently Moloney is Jesus re-incarnate
Says he's going to leave before it gets personal, insults Christians  ::)
How is that insulting Christians? Wow.

MM was making a solid argument and everyone's just like 'nah he was good at Brisbane', lol.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ringo on February 09, 2015, 09:32:45 AM
I think the issue started by labelling Sylvia and Moloney in the same category.

Whilst that may have been the case at Melbourne and I respect MM opinion and insight in the facts he has now presented, it does not ring true to Lions supporters.

So my take is Moloney grasped the opportunity at a new club and took it whereas Sylvia just appeared to coast along and take the money being paid.

We see it a lot of the time with players turning it around at new clubs but also some do not.

So to get this back on track as a Melbourne discussion and on the facts MM has presented both were cancerous to Melbourne and had to go.

Regarding the insulting to Christians Jesus is the Leader of the Christian Church and comparing Sylvia to Jesus would be insulting to Christians just an explanation.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on February 17, 2015, 12:40:41 PM
In lighter news after the Petracca devastation, JKH has signed on for 2 more years  8)

Love this kid.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: quinny88 on February 18, 2015, 10:45:20 AM
Moloney was actually a good player at Melbourne too. Neeld was just a tosser and didn't get along with him so he didn't play him.
Nothing to do with Moloney being lazy. He won the b&f the year before Neeld got there then barely got played and kept getting made the sub because Neeld didn't like him
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: My Chumps on February 18, 2015, 01:38:11 PM
Ah Mark Neeld, dark days in Melbourne's history.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Grufflez on February 18, 2015, 05:14:52 PM
A bad club culture and system breeds players who never reach their full potential, Roosy is helping change this, some of these poorer preforming teams over the last few decades just kept sacking coaches rather than the higher ups recruiters ectectect rather than taking responsibility for not being good at their job.

I want Melbourne (the home of football + one of the first 2 clubs) succeed  :)

Wow had to fix up a few spelling errors + words just completely left out lol.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on February 19, 2015, 11:31:48 AM
A bad club culture and system breeds players who never reach their full potential, Roosy is helping change this, some of these poorer preforming teams over the last few decades just kept sacking coaches rather than the higher ups recruiters ectectect taking responsibility for not being good at their job.

I wanna Melbourne (the home of football + one of the first 2 clubs) succeed  :)

He certainly has turned some players around thats for sure. Pederson, Jetta and Dunn have made massive improvements from the Neeld era.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on March 10, 2015, 02:58:25 PM
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-03-10/all-clear-on-hogan-foot-scans

SCANS on Jesse Hogan's foot have cleared the Melbourne forward of injury but he remains in doubt for this Saturday's NAB Challenge game against the Western Bulldogs in Ballarat.

The 20-year-old sent a scare through the Demons' camp when an opponent stood on his foot late in Thursday night's NAB Challenge game against Fremantle.

He then missed training on Monday as the club held him back until his foot was properly assessed to ensure there were no underlying issues.

However football manager Josh Mahoney said the club was pleased with the results.

"He had scans this morning which cleared him of any significant injury and he will be assessed to be available to play this week," Mahoney told AFL.com.au.

The club will continue to monitor his progress during the week to determine his availability for Saturday's game.

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on March 10, 2015, 03:19:46 PM
I saw that on another thread and the title read Jesse Hogan foot scan. I thought that'd flowering be right. Good to know its all good.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on March 10, 2015, 04:22:29 PM
I had no idea about it until I saw the article :P my thought process within 1 second was: OH shower... ARRGHH.... OOHHH... Not even worried.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on March 10, 2015, 05:15:14 PM
I had no idea about it until I saw the article :P my thought process within 1 second was: OH shower... ARRGHH.... OOHHH... Not even worried.

I went through the exact same emotions lol
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: My Chumps on March 11, 2015, 12:02:15 PM
Imagine if Petrecca and Hogan both went down for the season  :-X
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on March 11, 2015, 12:58:05 PM
Imagine if Petrecca and Hogan both went down for the season  :-X

If Hogan gets injured again I will be holding you solely responsible. There may or may not be a hit squad sent directly to your house.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on March 11, 2015, 01:50:52 PM
Imagine if Petrecca and Hogan both went down for the season  :-X

If Hogan gets injured again I will be holding you solely responsible. There may or may not be a hit squad sent directly to your house.
Yeah, none of that devil's advocate stuff around here.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on March 11, 2015, 02:22:59 PM
Imagine if Petrecca and Hogan both went down for the season  :-X

If Hogan gets injured again I will be holding you solely responsible. There may or may not be a hit squad sent directly to your house.

There may or may not be two hit squads.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on March 11, 2015, 07:05:04 PM
Hit squad? I'd personally be there myself.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: nrich102 on March 11, 2015, 07:54:22 PM
Paul Roos also may be there  ;)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on March 12, 2015, 09:32:46 AM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-12/dees-lock-in-brayshaw

LAST year's No.3 draft pick Angus Brayshaw has re-committed to Melbourne until the end of 2018, before playing his first AFL game.

Brayshaw was contracted to the Demons to the end of 2016 after signing a standard two-year deal upon being drafted.

However, AFL.com.au understands the 19-year-old has agreed to terms on a two-year extension that will bind him to Melbourne for the next four seasons.

The son of AFL Coaches Association chief executive and former North Melbourne player Mark Brayshaw, the hard-nosed midfielder is a prolific ball-winner who is equally damaging at stoppages and in open space.

Brayshaw shapes as a key member of Melbourne's emerging batch of young midfielders, alongside Dom Tyson, Jack Viney, Christian Salem and Christian Petracca, and his importance can only increase this season with Petracca out for the year with an ACL tear.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on March 12, 2015, 10:07:16 AM
Always good to see a show of faith by a player  8)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on March 12, 2015, 01:40:56 PM
Well done Gus
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on March 20, 2015, 07:16:32 PM
Enthusiasm for round 1 just about dead

Will probably still go to the game because I'm a flower head

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on March 20, 2015, 07:18:06 PM
On a somewhat more positive note... H, Frost, Newton and Jeffy look like good recruits (and Hogan if he counts).
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on March 20, 2015, 07:26:42 PM
Suffice to say, I'm typing with my right hand, after I may have broken my left... probably didn't. Hurts like flower though.

It's only nab, only nab...

But it's not though really. We (the melbourne supporters; the cursed) know what's gonna happen this year. The rest of the AFL will know it after round 1, but we already know that this is gonna be another long year.

The question I ask myself is, how do we climb the ladder? I actually don't know. We have one of the best coaches, and just in general in every off-field department, we are in very, very good hands. I don't think anyone will argue that.

Tonight against half-VFL team, we would have been lost without Lumumba, Frost (despite his inaccuracy), Vandenberg and Garlett.

And these guys haven't played with us before.

Which leads me to think a thought which, when I hear some other angry supporter say it in the moment, I cringe and dismiss them as just that; caught in the moment.

Cut the whole damn list? Obviously not all of them: Jones, Tyson (shower house game), Viney (even worse), Dawes, Salem, Watts, Hogan, Jetta, Dunn,  and McDonald.

But should we get rid of the rest of the 22 that played tonight? That would be:

Jack Grimes
Ben Newton (in neither the cut or keep list)
Mark Jamar
Daniel Cross
Colin Garland
Matt Jones
Rohan Bail
Jimmy Toumpas
Max Gawn
Jordie McKenzie


Grimes would be the unluckiest. But this... I dunno what it is, attitude(?), of losing the unloseable, or just laying down and dying... he has that ingrained in him through 8 years of being in this team. Perhaps the only way to get rid of that attitude, is actually getting rid of them all?


The game tonight, really reminded me of the game against the lions last year, and a few other games (Port, Doggies), where it really seemed we wanted to lose. That, or we simply didn't know how to win. Like, being in a winning position is so foreign, that one tends to go back to familiarity, i.e. looking like shower.

I dunno. I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel. I needed to see improvement in this nab series compared to last year, and all I see is different players doing the same things, engulfed in this losing culture.

Maybe I'm saying all this because the loss is fresh... but I have had these thoughts for about a year now.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on March 20, 2015, 07:45:27 PM
I don't know what to say purps - Wish I could get inside Roosy's head
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on March 20, 2015, 07:54:33 PM
Melb vs Saints could be interesting this year. there might not be an effective disposal during the whole match
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ziplock on March 20, 2015, 08:56:38 PM
go to the doctor and get your hand xrayed... I didn't last year, and mine hurt  for like 7+ months post injury (to small degrees).


Also, it's been hypothesised multiple times over the past decade that a VFL team could probably take melbourne... now that's kind of been proven :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on March 21, 2015, 09:03:21 AM
Slightly moving on, talking to my fellow Dee-voters (just thought of that then... I should write that down)

Do you guys get just as annoyed as I do at supporters telling other supporters to f*** off because they don't have anything positive to say? Or when they're bemoaning the club? These people who will always "stay positive" and will never have a bad thing to say about the club? Then they have the nerve to tell someone having a well-deserved rant about the club they love and invest in, this little old-cliche "If you can't support them when they're down, you don't deserve to support them when they're up"

It has never happened to me directly, but man, if it did, I'd be the most savage keyboard hero, that would make Demonland proud.

They say that the club doesn't want or need these types of supporters that criticise the club... to which I think, yes they bloody do, they need our money!  :P. But that's beside the point. I think these type of supporters are absolutely passionless. I think, if you don't feel hurt, disappointed and angry when melbourne put in a performance like what they did last night, then do you really have a passion for the club?

Going back to that crappy old cliche I wrote above, maybe it should read "If you don't feel hurt when they're down, then you can't feel total elation when they're up"

And to me, if these people just throw the "I'm staying positive, if you're not then you can go away" in reaction to a pathetic loss, then these people are either mindless, a bogan, passionless or a passive-agressive human-being.

The melbourne footy club doesn't need mindless, bogan, passionless or passive-aggressive supporters... so they don't need YOU!



Sigh. Rant over. I've been developing that opinion for years now  ::)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on March 21, 2015, 09:35:48 AM
Some MFC supporters still accept mediocrity

It's just not good enough
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: AaronKirk on March 21, 2015, 10:26:12 AM
To the Melbourne supporters here what is a pass mark for 2015?

As an observer I would have thought improving on the ladder, winning more games than last year and getting quality game time into your younger players.

Last night was a bad loss but it is only NAB. Cannot take it too seriously as long as their is an improved performance come Round One against Gold Coast.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on March 21, 2015, 10:34:55 AM
6 wins I will be disappointed with, but will accept as improvement.

7 wins, I will probably accept, so long as the percentage is about 80+

8 wins than I think 2015 would be a success for us.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: My Chumps on March 21, 2015, 10:57:04 AM
Who are the teams you're eyeing off as beatable Purps?

Understand there's also the potential for outsiders (like Essendon last year), but just curious as to who you think is at a similar level.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on March 21, 2015, 11:03:56 AM
2 games against the dogs, 2 games against the saints, I think the 2 GWS games are winnable, but they might take a big leap this year so maybe not. I'd see our game against carlton is winnable, and despite recent events, our game against essendon too.

IF melbourne is playing at their best, we would have a chance at beating any of the bottom 12 last year IMO. But that's a big IF.

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on March 21, 2015, 11:13:27 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/XVOfSrT.png)

From our man Barra a couple months ago - would be interested to see if he's changed his opinion

8 wins would be my 'pass mark'
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ziplock on March 21, 2015, 02:07:31 PM
2 games against the dogs, 2 games against the saints, I think the 2 GWS games are winnable, but they might take a big leap this year so maybe not. I'd see our game against carlton is winnable, and despite recent events, our game against essendon too.

IF melbourne is playing at their best, we would have a chance at beating any of the bottom 12 last year IMO. But that's a big IF.

unless gws are crushed by injuries, I'd think we'd have your measure this season 8 times out of 10.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: My Chumps on March 21, 2015, 03:52:40 PM
2 games against the dogs, 2 games against the saints, I think the 2 GWS games are winnable, but they might take a big leap this year so maybe not. I'd see our game against carlton is winnable, and despite recent events, our game against essendon too.

IF melbourne is playing at their best, we would have a chance at beating any of the bottom 12 last year IMO. But that's a big IF.
Fair call.

Definitely think the 2 against the Saints should be wins. I feel like the Dees, Dogs, Carlton and potentially GWS are all at a similar level for this season. Should be interesting to see who winds up down the bottom. Libba out is a big loss issue for the Dogs.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on March 22, 2015, 08:43:36 AM
Brayshaw was in Casey's best for the second week in a row  8)


I still like the idea of holding him back this year though. Just thought a NAB match couldn't have done any harm is all.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: DazBurg on March 22, 2015, 05:03:10 PM
watching mitch clark last game and now today's
just continues to piss me off for you guys and i'm a bombers supporter

biggest load of crap ever
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on March 22, 2015, 06:00:09 PM
:(
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on March 22, 2015, 08:06:04 PM
watching mitch clark last game and now today's
just continues to piss me off for you guys and i'm a bombers supporter

biggest load of crap ever

I'm a believer of karma.

I believe a career ending injury is on the horizon... and I'll be watching it on TV when it happens  :D

Seriously though, this guy makes Tom $cully look like a choir boy... and I hated that guy
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: quinny88 on March 22, 2015, 08:46:30 PM
watching mitch clark last game and now today's
just continues to piss me off for you guys and i'm a bombers supporter

biggest load of crap ever

I'm a believer of karma.

I believe a career ending injury is on the horizon... and I'll be watching it on TV when it happens  :D

Seriously though, this guy makes Tom $cully look like a choir boy... and I hated that guy

What are you implying exactly? That he faked having depression to leave Melbourne?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on March 22, 2015, 09:06:28 PM
watching mitch clark last game and now today's
just continues to piss me off for you guys and i'm a bombers supporter

biggest load of crap ever

I'm a believer of karma.

I believe a career ending injury is on the horizon... and I'll be watching it on TV when it happens  :D

Seriously though, this guy makes Tom $cully look like a choir boy... and I hated that guy

What are you implying exactly? That he faked having depression to leave Melbourne?

I don't think anyone accepts his 'depression' as an excuse for leaving the club

No one's saying that he faked it though
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: DazBurg on March 23, 2015, 05:50:30 AM
watching mitch clark last game and now today's
just continues to piss me off for you guys and i'm a bombers supporter

biggest load of crap ever

I'm a believer of karma.

I believe a career ending injury is on the horizon... and I'll be watching it on TV when it happens  :D

Seriously though, this guy makes Tom $cully look like a choir boy... and I hated that guy

What are you implying exactly? That he faked having depression to leave Melbourne?

no one is implying that
but i think the huge payout he got from the dees should be payed back for 1
as i'm sure they agreed to that on the basis of being worried about his earning power due to said illiness
not that he'd take there money have a year off then go get money elsewhere

2. did he really need to leave due to depression?
or is it just like when he left lions because he said he was homesick
was all lined up to go to sydney i believe it was
then dees wave heaps of cash and bang off to victoria

(p.s not having a go at ppl with depression or speaking lightly of it i know a few people with it including my partner and i don't expect her to take my money then up and leave me for someone else due to that depression either :P )
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 23, 2015, 07:21:49 AM
watching mitch clark last game and now today's
just continues to piss me off for you guys and i'm a bombers supporter

biggest load of crap ever

I'm a believer of karma.

I believe a career ending injury is on the horizon... and I'll be watching it on TV when it happens  :D

Seriously though, this guy makes Tom $cully look like a choir boy... and I hated that guy

wow wishing a career ending injury on someone is really low
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: nrich102 on March 23, 2015, 07:27:04 AM
watching mitch clark last game and now today's
just continues to piss me off for you guys and i'm a bombers supporter

biggest load of crap ever

I'm a believer of karma.

I believe a career ending injury is on the horizon... and I'll be watching it on TV when it happens  :D

Seriously though, this guy makes Tom $cully look like a choir boy... and I hated that guy

wow wishing a career ending injury on someone is really low

So is saying you have depression and taking a massive payout from the club to then come back less then 12 months later at a different club...

As is saying your homesick when you are from WA and going to Melbourne  ::)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ringo on March 23, 2015, 08:21:16 AM
Not really wanting to buy into this argument but I lost all respect I had for Clark when he said he wanted to go home to WA only to end up at Melbourne for more dollars.

Whilst some homesickness is genuine I think the number 1 reason is dollars and relying on other factors to support the requests and decisions.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ziplock on March 23, 2015, 09:37:38 AM
Not really wanting to buy into this argument but I lost all respect I had for Clark when he said he wanted to go home to WA only to end up at Melbourne for more dollars.

Whilst some homesickness is genuine I think the number 1 reason is dollars and relying on other factors to support the requests and decisions.

It wasn't home sickness, he was depressed, so quit the club and went home to recover.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ringo on March 23, 2015, 10:11:10 AM
Not really wanting to buy into this argument but I lost all respect I had for Clark when he said he wanted to go home to WA only to end up at Melbourne for more dollars.

Whilst some homesickness is genuine I think the number 1 reason is dollars and relying on other factors to support the requests and decisions.

It wasn't home sickness, he was depressed, so quit the club and went home to recover.
was attributed as his reason for leaving Brisbane.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: elephants on March 23, 2015, 10:26:50 AM
I think its fair to say that Clark is a fairly shower human being. Even if he's had a lot to deal with, the way he's gone about it is all pretty poor.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on March 23, 2015, 10:52:43 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/XVOfSrT.png)

From our man Barra a couple months ago - would be interested to see if he's changed his opinion

8 wins would be my 'pass mark'

Following me around? Haha. I still hold true to that, I still aim for us to be close to the 8.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on March 23, 2015, 02:21:47 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/XVOfSrT.png)

From our man Barra a couple months ago - would be interested to see if he's changed his opinion

8 wins would be my 'pass mark'

Following me around? Haha. I still hold true to that, I still aim for us to be close to the 8.

Yeh haha it's pretty 'out there' imo so I remembered it pretty well - only took 20 seconds to find it as well
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on March 23, 2015, 02:26:59 PM
2 wrongs don't make a right
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on March 28, 2015, 01:07:03 PM
Brayshaw is dominating in the VFL at the moment

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: New Skinn on March 28, 2015, 01:11:25 PM
Ok boys. Final verdict on Lumumba? He will be a top 6 defender if he doesn't tag imo, but I know he had a run with role in one of the intra club games. Can anyone who attends training give an opinion on what they think? Cheers. Go dees!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on March 28, 2015, 02:41:39 PM
Ok boys. Final verdict on Lumumba? He will be a top 6 defender if he doesn't tag imo, but I know he had a run with role in one of the intra club games. Can anyone who attends training give an opinion on what they think? Cheers. Go dees!

Honestly doubt he'll get a run-with role, Cross would be first in line for that
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on March 28, 2015, 03:16:54 PM
Ok boys. Final verdict on Lumumba? He will be a top 6 defender if he doesn't tag imo, but I know he had a run with role in one of the intra club games. Can anyone who attends training give an opinion on what they think? Cheers. Go dees!

Honestly doubt he'll get a run-with role, Cross would be first in line for that

+1

Brayshaw is dominating in the VFL at the moment

Brayshaw self!

I was so impressed when I saw someone come up with that  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on March 30, 2015, 01:46:59 PM
Yep, Lumumba is locked into my side, too cheap to ignore.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on March 30, 2015, 02:03:44 PM
Brayshaw is dominating in the VFL at the moment

Some rumours coming through that Brayshaws family has been told he is likely to debut this weekend. Good news.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on March 30, 2015, 03:50:17 PM
Brayshaw is dominating in the VFL at the moment

Some rumours coming through that Brayshaws family has been told he is likely to debut this weekend. Good news.

knowing Roos, gus would already be holding the green vest

Eh, I like it  8)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on April 02, 2015, 05:06:21 PM
Brayshaw debut!

Didn't see that coming! Very exciting!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on April 02, 2015, 05:07:46 PM
no Grimes?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 04, 2015, 07:50:49 AM
Just read that Dawes will be playing in the VFL today  :o
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on April 04, 2015, 10:10:55 AM
Just read that Dawes will be playing in the VFL today  :o

Is that allowed?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: ossie85 on April 04, 2015, 10:16:01 AM
Just read that Dawes will be playing in the VFL today  :o

Is that allowed?

Maybe because the VFL started last week? If it did?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 04, 2015, 10:54:39 AM
Just read that Dawes will be playing in the VFL today  :o

Is that allowed?

Maybe because the VFL started last week? If it did?

I think they're still playing practice matches in the VFL
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on April 04, 2015, 11:52:46 AM
Yeh praccy matches in VFL atm i think
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 04, 2015, 03:26:55 PM
Does Dawes even come back in next week?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on April 04, 2015, 03:28:44 PM
THE BEST MATCH I'VE SEEN MELBOURNE PLAY IN 4 YEARS!

I'M SO HAPPY!

Does Dawes even come back in next week?

There was only one bad player today. I don't think I need to say his name.

But when Hogan got his second today... I lost my shower.

Brayshaw was outstanding!

It was just... a 4 quarter, consistently good match!

TMac was great!

IT WAS JUST SO GREAT!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mat0369 on April 04, 2015, 07:41:59 PM
I was with my mate last night who is a Melbourne supporter talking about the game. He said he wasn't expecting to win but for it to be closer then what most thought. I said to him, you never know, you guys might shock the world and win. Well done Dees
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 04, 2015, 07:47:05 PM
When we've been ahead in the past, the opposition usually gets 3 or 4 goals and then we just give up

Even when that happened today - the players didn't waiver. They kept their chins up, and just worked on defending and moving the ball forward. No panic, no unforced errors. It was actually great to see such a change in attitude and team morale
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Toga on April 04, 2015, 09:05:43 PM
Great to see Melbourne play 4 quarters of good footy today - completely outclassed the Suns.

Hogan is gonna be an absolute weapon 8)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on April 09, 2015, 10:37:05 AM
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-04-08/frost-to-front-up-against-former-side (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-04-08/frost-to-front-up-against-former-side)

Seems to imply he is definitely playing this week, which is interesting as (although I thought he had a very good game) he would be a good candidate to make way for Dawes this week, if melbourne wanted to keep the talls/smalls balance intact.

Vince will come in for Toumpas you'd think, but really can't say who Dawes is gonna come in for.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 09, 2015, 11:18:18 AM
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-04-08/frost-to-front-up-against-former-side (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-04-08/frost-to-front-up-against-former-side)

Seems to imply he is definitely playing this week, which is interesting as (although I thought he had a very good game) he would be a good candidate to make way for Dawes this week, if melbourne wanted to keep the talls/smalls balance intact.

Vince will come in for Toumpas you'd think, but really can't say who Dawes is gonna come in for.

Without Frost though then no one would be able to give Jamar a spell

I'm sure N. Jones would have a crack in the rucks if you asked but i'm not sure how well that would work
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on April 09, 2015, 01:48:59 PM
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-04-08/frost-to-front-up-against-former-side (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-04-08/frost-to-front-up-against-former-side)

Seems to imply he is definitely playing this week, which is interesting as (although I thought he had a very good game) he would be a good candidate to make way for Dawes this week, if melbourne wanted to keep the talls/smalls balance intact.

Vince will come in for Toumpas you'd think, but really can't say who Dawes is gonna come in for.

Without Frost though then no one would be able to give Jamar a spell

I'm sure N. Jones would have a crack in the rucks if you asked but i'm not sure how well that would work

Lol

I'd assume Dawes would be relieving Jamar no?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 09, 2015, 02:01:15 PM
http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-04-08/frost-to-front-up-against-former-side (http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2015-04-08/frost-to-front-up-against-former-side)

Seems to imply he is definitely playing this week, which is interesting as (although I thought he had a very good game) he would be a good candidate to make way for Dawes this week, if melbourne wanted to keep the talls/smalls balance intact.

Vince will come in for Toumpas you'd think, but really can't say who Dawes is gonna come in for.

Without Frost though then no one would be able to give Jamar a spell

I'm sure N. Jones would have a crack in the rucks if you asked but i'm not sure how well that would work

Lol

I'd assume Dawes would be relieving Jamar no?

I remember him doing some rucking at Collingwood, but, was he any good? I can't remember
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: ossie85 on April 09, 2015, 03:12:03 PM
I remember him doing some rucking at Collingwood, but, was he any good? I can't remember

No.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on April 09, 2015, 04:28:59 PM
I remember him doing some rucking at Collingwood, but, was he any good? I can't remember

No.

Yeah but you were using him as your number one  in some games :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Adamant on April 09, 2015, 05:35:42 PM
Is Jack Grimes seriously not best 22?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on April 09, 2015, 06:12:24 PM
Is Jack Grimes seriously not best 22?

I thought he was pretty stiff not to be selected round 1... but at the moment he most certainly isn't!

Think he would be the one keeping the pressure on Chris Salem to keep performing off half back
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 12, 2015, 08:31:21 AM
That McDonald guy goes alright
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on April 12, 2015, 08:40:55 AM
That McDonald guy goes alright

Indeed! Can't recall an errant kick either
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on April 12, 2015, 12:36:31 PM
Boys what happened?? Last I looked you were up comfortably and then came back after the game...
that 3rd quarter?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on April 12, 2015, 01:03:30 PM
Mumford and GWS midfielders came at them and Melbourne just fell away and got smashed.

Guys like Tyson and Jones were already having below average games. Their talls in Hogan, Dawes and McDonald were dominating in the first half but once supply stopped they were dead in the water
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on April 12, 2015, 01:10:22 PM
Yeh ok, thanks mate. Couldn't believe the turn around when I saw the scores
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 12, 2015, 04:40:39 PM
Mumford and GWS midfielders came at them and Melbourne just fell away and got smashed.

Guys like Tyson and Jones were already having below average games. Their talls in Hogan, Dawes and McDonald were dominating in the first half but once supply stopped they were dead in the water

Dawes was shower lol

McDonald was great for the whole game though - destroyed Cameron even with the supply the GWS mids were giving him
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on April 12, 2015, 04:45:38 PM
Dawes was decent at the beginning
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on April 12, 2015, 05:54:15 PM
TMac's best moment was that beautiful spoil from the impossible position; running with the same direction as the ball to spoil Tomlinson I think it was... saved a goal.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on April 17, 2015, 11:10:25 AM
Jeffy might need a lift to training from now on

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/footballers-brian-lake-jeff-garlett-in-court-on-driving-offences/story-fnii5smr-1227307691868

MELBOURNE player Jeff Garlett has been suspended from driving for 11 months after being nabbed drink-driving unlicensed while more than double the legal limit.

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: ossie85 on April 17, 2015, 11:21:09 AM
Jeffy might need a lift to training from now on

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/footballers-brian-lake-jeff-garlett-in-court-on-driving-offences/story-fnii5smr-1227307691868

MELBOURNE player Jeff Garlett has been suspended from driving for 11 months after being nabbed drink-driving unlicensed while more than double the legal limit.

If you are drink driving, and driving without a liscence... that should be jail time. 'Suspending from driving for 11 months' - he already didn't have a liscence! What's that do?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 17, 2015, 02:08:45 PM
Jeffy might need a lift to training from now on

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/footballers-brian-lake-jeff-garlett-in-court-on-driving-offences/story-fnii5smr-1227307691868

MELBOURNE player Jeff Garlett has been suspended from driving for 11 months after being nabbed drink-driving unlicensed while more than double the legal limit.

If you are drink driving, and driving without a liscence... that should be jail time. 'Suspending from driving for 11 months' - he already didn't have a liscence! What's that do?

Hey at least he showed up to court this time  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on April 20, 2015, 12:11:12 PM
I have come to realise this season that as unfortunate as it is for Mckenzie, we don't really need him in the side anymore. There have been now numerous guys in Cross, Vince and Viney that can do excellent hard tags on some of the best players and still win more ball than their direct opponent. I am actually really interested to see what will happen this Friday night against Richmond. Who will be given the job and who will be tagged? Vince? Cross? Martin? Cotchin? Ellis?

The tag will make an interesting watch each week for me now.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: elephants on April 20, 2015, 12:17:39 PM
Reckon Viney would be a bloke that could one day break free of tagging duties though Barra? Is the offensive side of his game good enough? Or will he always be a defensive mid that wins his own ball? Similar to a Carrazzo in his prime?
Interested in your thoughts.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 20, 2015, 01:04:12 PM
Reckon Viney would be a bloke that could one day break free of tagging duties though Barra? Is the offensive side of his game good enough? Or will he always be a defensive mid that wins his own ball? Similar to a Carrazzo in his prime?
Interested in your thoughts.

I think the tagging duties are more of a learning experience for Viney at the moment

He will always be somewhat defensive though as it's in his nature
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on April 20, 2015, 01:10:23 PM
Yes, you could put him in the same bracket as Jones as the hard nut inside midfielder. At the moment you could certainly put him into that Carrazzo bracket too. I loved what he used to be able to do. I don't think Viney will ever be that clearance winning, high possession machine. But you can bet your bottom dollar that he will always give 100% and make a contest out of it. The tagging duty on Ablett was definitely a learning experience of running patterns etc. Maybe 5/6 years later that may change, but that is what he is at the moment. You forget how young the guy actually is sometimes.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: My Chumps on April 20, 2015, 06:08:51 PM
Definitely seeing similarities between Viney and a young Jones. Gives his all, disposable questionable and often tags. IIRC Jones did a couple of stellar jobs tagging Swanny in his prime on Queens birthday; I reckon it's just a bit of experience for Viney before he's unleashed in a couple of years.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Capper on April 21, 2015, 10:38:53 PM
Jeffy might need a lift to training from now on

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/footballers-brian-lake-jeff-garlett-in-court-on-driving-offences/story-fnii5smr-1227307691868

MELBOURNE player Jeff Garlett has been suspended from driving for 11 months after being nabbed drink-driving unlicensed while more than double the legal limit.

If you are drink driving, and driving without a liscence... that should be jail time. 'Suspending from driving for 11 months' - he already didn't have a liscence! What's that do?

Hey at least he showed up to court this time  :P
unlicensed as in he didnt have his license on him or he lost his license due to another offence?? VEry lucky not to get jail time

Garlett needs to concentrate on his goal kicking right now
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 24, 2015, 11:11:12 PM
I've come to the realisation that as soon as Hogan stops playing on AA defenders, he is going to kick a massive bag

And it is going to be beautiful
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on April 25, 2015, 07:54:31 AM
Haha. Unfortunately that looks a while away, until the dogs match!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 25, 2015, 08:14:35 AM
Haha. Unfortunately that looks a while away, until the dogs match!

I can wait a few more weeks  8)

How long has it been since a Melbourne player kicked a bag anyway?

Probably that guy whose name rhymes with fark
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 25, 2015, 08:18:08 AM
McDonald struggled early on last night, seemed that Riewoldt was just too quick off the mark for him

Kept him quiet when he was close to goal though and in one on one contests - He made some beautiful spoils
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on April 25, 2015, 08:34:29 AM
McDonald struggled early on last night, seemed that Riewoldt was just too quick off the mark for him

Kept him quiet when he was close to goal though and in one on one contests - He made some beautiful spoils

Yeah Riewoldt was beating TMac comfortable early on, I might even say Riewoldt probably won on the night IMO. But TMac did some lovely spoils, and I don't think his All-Aus spot chase has been hampered by last night.

I guess he did hold him to zero goals!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: powersuperkents on April 25, 2015, 09:58:26 AM
Haha. Unfortunately that looks a while away, until the dogs match!
This match will be the one to watch. Two of the best prospective sides (along with GWS) battling it out
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 25, 2015, 11:02:19 AM
It happened several times last night, but if you are going to flower up a handball, put it in front of a player and hope they can run onto it. Absolutely hate it when a player gets free of his man and then his teammate handballs it behind him
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 25, 2015, 09:33:57 PM
If Freo carry this form into next week...



Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on April 25, 2015, 09:36:13 PM
If Freo carry this form into next week...

Then I guess it will be like any other encounter with them  :-X

I like to think they will go in the match under-estimating us, which will be an advantage for us.

But hey, they can flog us by 100 points, but we'll still be grinning... we plucked a super-star key forward from their backyard  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on April 26, 2015, 10:43:01 AM
If Freo carry this form into next week...

Then I guess it will be like any other encounter with them  :-X

I like to think they will go in the match under-estimating us, which will be an advantage for us.

But hey, they can flog us by 100 points, but we'll still be grinning... we plucked a super-star key forward from their backyard  :P
:'(
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 26, 2015, 11:20:17 AM
If Freo carry this form into next week...

Then I guess it will be like any other encounter with them  :-X

I like to think they will go in the match under-estimating us, which will be an advantage for us.

But hey, they can flog us by 100 points, but we'll still be grinning... we plucked a super-star key forward from their backyard  :P
:'(

A Freo supporter on bigfooty suggested Brayshaw + Hogan for Fyfe

I almost choked

Lucky the Freo supporters didn't seem too keen on it either
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: powersuperkents on April 26, 2015, 11:35:17 AM
If Freo carry this form into next week...

Then I guess it will be like any other encounter with them  :-X

I like to think they will go in the match under-estimating us, which will be an advantage for us.

But hey, they can flog us by 100 points, but we'll still be grinning... we plucked a super-star key forward from their backyard  :P
:'(

A Freo supporter on bigfooty suggested Brayshaw + Hogan for Fyfe

I almost choked

Lucky the Freo supporters didn't seem too keen on it either
Tough one hahaha the next Selwood & Riewoldt for the next Ablett (maybe better)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on April 26, 2015, 11:38:50 AM
If Freo carry this form into next week...

Then I guess it will be like any other encounter with them  :-X

I like to think they will go in the match under-estimating us, which will be an advantage for us.

But hey, they can flog us by 100 points, but we'll still be grinning... we plucked a super-star key forward from their backyard  :P
:'(

A Freo supporter on bigfooty suggested Brayshaw + Hogan for Fyfe

I almost choked

Lucky the Freo supporters didn't seem too keen on it either
Fyfe >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brayshaw
Taberner <<<Hogan

So, no thanks
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: JBs-Hawks on April 26, 2015, 01:45:44 PM
Longterm i think Brayshaw + Hogan would be better.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on April 26, 2015, 01:59:31 PM
If both live up to their potential you'd take the trade if you were Freo, however without hindsight it would be a pointless risk.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 26, 2015, 03:35:16 PM
Don't think I would trade Hogan for Fyfe

Let alone add Brayshaw to it
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: elephants on April 27, 2015, 04:59:41 PM
Considering Freo are right in their premiership window and they need one before Pav and Sandi go, I'd definitely leave it if I were them.

If Freo were mid-table and rising it'd be a different story.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on April 28, 2015, 09:35:33 AM
Dean Kent out for 10-12 weeks. Seems like it was a bad hammy.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on April 28, 2015, 09:41:21 AM
Long term? Guys Fyfe is 23....
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: GoLions on April 28, 2015, 09:43:01 AM
Long term? Guys Fyfe is 23....
Which, coincidentally, is the number of goals he'll kick this weekend
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: My Chumps on April 28, 2015, 11:19:42 AM
Don't think I would trade Hogan for Fyfe

Let alone add Brayshaw to it
Hahahahaha wow
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on April 28, 2015, 11:31:59 AM
Dean Kent out for 10-12 weeks. Seems like it was a bad hammy.

 :'(
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 28, 2015, 02:50:28 PM
Don't think I would trade Hogan for Fyfe

Let alone add Brayshaw to it
Hahahahaha wow

How often do you see a guy in his debut year consistently rag doll AA defenders in the wet?

And lead the competition for contested marks?

If you took all the AFL players from every club and had one massive draft, Fyfe might be on top, but Hogan wouldn't be too far behind.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: My Chumps on April 28, 2015, 02:54:36 PM
Don't think I would trade Hogan for Fyfe

Let alone add Brayshaw to it
Hahahahaha wow

How often do you see a guy in his debut year consistently rag doll AA defenders in the wet?

And lead the competition for contested marks?

If you took all the AFL players from every club and had one massive draft, Fyfe might be on top, but Hogan wouldn't be too far behind.
Yeah look I sort of understand, but Fyfe is the best player in the competition at the moment. You'd be mad to turn him down :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 28, 2015, 02:57:11 PM
Don't think I would trade Hogan for Fyfe

Let alone add Brayshaw to it
Hahahahaha wow

How often do you see a guy in his debut year consistently rag doll AA defenders in the wet?

And lead the competition for contested marks?

If you took all the AFL players from every club and had one massive draft, Fyfe might be on top, but Hogan wouldn't be too far behind.
Yeah look I sort of understand, but Fyfe is the best player in the competition at the moment. You'd be mad to turn him down :P

I saw Hogan play in the VFL two years ago and it was love at first sight

You can't break that kind of bond
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on April 28, 2015, 11:03:38 PM
who comes in for Kent then?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 28, 2015, 11:14:10 PM
who comes in for Kent then?

Bail comes to mind but he had a concussion on the weekend apparently (anymore and he would seriously have to consider retiring I think :()

The only guy left with pace is Matt Jones, but he's not really a forward

It will probably be Jetta, Kent out for Grimes, Toumpas

Also talk that Tyson may be injured but I hope that's not the case
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on April 28, 2015, 11:32:26 PM
i read the in the mix article they suggested Grimes might come in for Jetta who got injured

they suggested a tall might come in for Kent since they playing Freo
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: quinny88 on April 29, 2015, 12:03:20 AM
I love watching Hogan and think he will be a star but holy shower I've never heard a 13 disposal, 2 goal game been blown up as much as this one has throughout the week. You would think he kicked 10 haha
The kid can seriously play though and exactly the player Melbourne need to build a club around
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 29, 2015, 07:06:15 AM
I love watching Hogan and think he will be a star but holy shower I've never heard a 13 disposal, 2 goal game been blown up as much as this one has throughout the week. You would think he kicked 10 haha
The kid can seriously play though and exactly the player Melbourne need to build a club around

It's not really about how good his game was (although 2 goals and 3 CM in the wet isn't bad) - it's just that he's doing it against the very best in only his 4th game

A guy that has shown as much as he has clearly will turn into something great - which is what has people excited more than anything
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on April 29, 2015, 08:37:25 AM
Come on Cam!

Grimes and Pedersen... just not Toumpas, please. He needs to tear it up in the VFL for another month, just keep doing what he is doing.

But you'd think Grimes would come in and be a negating player in Jetta's absence, probably.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on April 29, 2015, 10:26:22 AM
For me it'd be;

Out: Kent, Jetta.
In: Grimes, Toumpas for sub.

If Tyson doesn't play, I'd be quite happy with Lumumba taking Tysons place and having Grimes come in and take Lumubas place in the back line if that was the case. Then I'd probably run with Terlich in Jettas spot and Toumpas coming in as the sub for Kent which allows Brayshaw/Michie a full game.

I do like the Pedobear though.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: elephants on April 29, 2015, 11:26:39 AM
How has Grimes gone in the vfl?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on April 29, 2015, 11:56:28 AM
Little report on the Casey games of the demons players;

Quote
I just finished watching the replay. They played better than I expected after reading the thread. Umpiring was ok in the first half but a string of soft decisions at the start of the third really cost us. Dominated the last quarter but didn't make the most of our opportunities.

Regarding Spencer, my impression was that he was much better around the ground than usual and not making the classic stuff ups. Took a couple of great contested grabs. I felt that he struggled in ruck contests against Minson. For most of the game I would have been ok with him getting the call up (and I have never been a fan) but his last quarter was a bit disappointing. Gawn did well in the ruck contests but very average otherwise.

Jack Grimes was clearly our best. Clean. A class above.

Terlich got better as the game went on and had quite a good second half.

Harmes was the one who really impressed me. Inside and outside work. Clearances. Great grab and goal in the last quarter. Needs to get a bit more of the ball but could be a good sub this week.

I'm a Toumpas fan but his disposal was deplorable. Endeavour was great, tackling, running all day...but turnover after turnover. Needs more time at Casey.

Riley was solid. Usual good inside work, didn't notice any glaring disposal errors.

Matt Jones had a great last quarter running the lines. Otherwise he was quiet.

Jordie had a hard working, blue collar game.

Stretch's class stood out. Not afraid of contact, made some good tackles, worked hard. IMO he isn't ready though. Needs to get more of the ball. Maybe second half of the season

Pedersen was average. Did a few good things but was quiet for most of the game.

Fitzy was our best big man IMO. His numbers surprise me, felt like he had it more. Beaten in a contest once or twice but otherwise at least broke even in contests, took a few great grabs in defence, used the ball as well as anyone. Could be used as a back up ruck and to cover Sandilands or Clarke when they go forward.

Rohan Bail 1 goals 10 disposals 7 kicks 3 handballs 2 marks 2 tackles 44 dream team points
Jack Fitzpatrick 8 disposals 3 kicks 5 handballs 3 marks 30 dream team points
Max Gawn 7 disposals 1 kicks 6 handballs 3 tackles 26 hit outs 48 dream team points
Jack Grimes 19 disposals 12 kicks 7 handballs 4 marks 9 tackles 97 dream team points
James Harmes 1 goal 2 behinds 19 disposals 8 kicks 11 handballs 2 marks 6 tackles 78 dream team points
Matt Jones 1 behind 19 disposals 10 kicks 9 handballs 4 marks 6 tackles 80 team points
Jordie McKenzie 20 disposals 13 kicks 7 handballs 2 marks 5 tackles 66 dream team points
Cam Pedersen 3 goals 13 disposals 6 kicks 7 handballs 5 marks 3 tackles 68 dream team points
Aidan Riley 1 behind 23 disposals 5 kicks 18 handballs 3 marks 7 tackles 83 dream team points
Jake Spencer 18 disposals 8 kicks 10 handballs 6 marks 2 tackles 28 hit outs dream 92 team points
Billy Stretch 1 goal 1 behind 16 disposals 8 kicks 8 handballs 3 marks 7 tackles 82 dream team points
Dean Terlich 15 disposals 13 kicks 2 handballs 2 marks 6 tackles 72 dream team points
Jimmy Toumpas 1 behind 27 disposals 18 kicks 9 handballs 6 marks 6 tackles 109 dream team points

B: Hutchins Panozza Munro
HB: Terlich Fitzpatrick Grimes
C: Stretch Gent Toumpas
HF: M Jones Pedersen Bail
F: Scott Spencer Smith
FOLL: Gawn McKenzie Riley
I/C: (from) Harmes Moncrieff Morris Muir Pattison Plummer Rosier Walmsley White
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: elephants on April 29, 2015, 11:58:08 AM
Good output from the Toump!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on April 29, 2015, 12:02:30 PM
Yeah can't complain with 27.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 29, 2015, 12:02:36 PM
Good output from the Toump!

Was very ineffective by foot though

Not what you want to see from someone whose game revolves around their ability to deliver pinpoint passes
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: elephants on April 29, 2015, 12:08:21 PM
Good output from the Toump!

Was very ineffective by foot though

Not what you want to see from someone whose game revolves around their ability to deliver pinpoint passes

Hmm, thats slightly disappointing. Still, good to see him finding the pill. As he gets more confident he should start taking his time and becoming more aware out there and nailing those passes.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on April 29, 2015, 12:19:51 PM
Well, sounds like Grimes is a shoe-in, which is good, as I thought he was hard done by not being in our round 1 team.

I still stand by having Toumpas be a VFL player for the whole year, take the pressure off him entirely.

Stretch continues to impress...

Gawn has been the most disappointing this year for me.

Harmes had a decent match!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on April 29, 2015, 01:51:22 PM
I'd like to see Riley back in the team at some stage

He goes so hard it's really fun to watch
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on May 01, 2015, 05:29:51 PM
Just a bit of a side note really, but Melbourne lead the comp in tackles and rank 2nd for frees against.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 01, 2015, 08:30:28 PM
Just a bit of a side note really, but Melbourne lead the comp in tackles and rank 2nd for frees against.

The tackle count both surprises me and fills me with great pride.

The other doesn't. Especially after the atrocity of the umpires against Richmond.

Could I take a guess and say Brisbane is 1st in frees against? I always seem to observe that they get hard done by.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 02, 2015, 09:29:45 PM
Bloomin Bulldogs, first they continue to take away our thunder about being an improved side, NOW, they beat the swans and WE have to cop an angry swans outfit next week  ::)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 02, 2015, 09:31:51 PM
Bloomin Bulldogs, first they continue to take away our thunder about being an improved side, NOW, they beat the swans and WE have to cop an angry swans outfit next week  ::)

Look on the bright side

Hawks might be missing both Hodge and Lewis when we play them :)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 02, 2015, 09:33:33 PM
Bloomin Bulldogs, first they continue to take away our thunder about being an improved side, NOW, they beat the swans and WE have to cop an angry swans outfit next week  ::)

Look on the bright side

Hawks might be missing both Hodge and Lewis when we play them :)

Yeah I did think of that lol
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: JBs-Hawks on May 02, 2015, 10:34:57 PM
Not going to help you  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 03, 2015, 03:07:21 PM
To sum it up, Freo > Dees

Pedersen + Mckenzie out for Jetta + Dawes next week?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: roo boys! on May 03, 2015, 04:10:51 PM
To sum it up, Freo > Dees

Pedersen + Mckenzie out for Jetta + Dawes next week?
It was fun while it lasted Pedo :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 03, 2015, 04:19:59 PM
To sum it up, Freo > Dees

Pedersen + Mckenzie out for Jetta + Dawes next week?
It was fun while it lasted Pedo :P

He could still stay in

Would require a big statement though - Not sure if Roos is willing to make it

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 03, 2015, 04:24:39 PM
Ugh, I think this was the last game McKenzie has played for us.

I thought Big Cam was OK, so there is hope... depends if we wanna go tall against the Swans.

Was our worst game this year. But it was against a really, really good team. So I'm willing to overlook it and keep the eyes on the bigger picture.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: powersuperkents on May 03, 2015, 09:23:52 PM
When will Gawn come in? I admire Jamar's single handed effort in the ruck this season but surely Gawn has got to come in at some stage as a resting forward. He's the 3rd tallest player in the AFL.

I don't think he needs to come in, but I think he should have the opportunity to develop against at the top level - even though his VFL performances have been substandard. Too much of an asset tbh 
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 03, 2015, 09:55:11 PM
When will Gawn come in? I admire Jamar's single handed effort in the ruck this season but surely Gawn has got to come in at some stage as a resting forward. He's the 3rd tallest player in the AFL.

I don't think he needs to come in, but I think he should have the opportunity to develop against at the top level - even though his VFL performances have been substandard. Too much of an asset tbh

Had a shocking game last week but I think he kicked 3 today so improving a bit

The thing that worries me is that he just doesn't impose himself enough on the contest. You are right I think about getting him to develop at AFL level - I think one of the main issues is that playing in the VFL he is just so flowering tall that he really doesn't need to have good body work or be able to postion himself well. He just kind of stands there and outstretches his arms - which obviously won't work at AFL level

I quite liked the two-pronged forward set up with a bunch of smalls around though
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on May 04, 2015, 09:30:30 AM
Well it will be hard at selection this week. Big Pedobear was pretty good I thought. But then you have Dawes, Jetta and maybe Viney is ready to go too.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 04, 2015, 03:01:11 PM
Ok, lets imagine all three were available this week, what are the changes?

I reckon Grimes shouldn't be dropped, not yet anyway.

Well, McKenzie would make way for someone.

Would Newton make way for Viney? He has been playing well yes, but I reckon Michie has been pretty good.

Perhaps Watts makes way for Dawes?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on May 04, 2015, 03:36:01 PM
I see alot of people calling for Watts' to be dropped. I wouldn't do it, but everyone has their own opinion. He was dropped a couple of years ago IIRC? I think the team is stronger with him in it. I like when he is more daring. Getting the hands from someone around the 50 and unloading. Thats what I like to see from him.

For me it'd be:

Out: Mckenzie, Salem (Concussion)
In: Viney, Dawes
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 04, 2015, 03:36:48 PM
Ok, lets imagine all three were available this week, what are the changes?

I reckon Grimes shouldn't be dropped, not yet anyway.

Well, McKenzie would make way for someone.

Would Newton make way for Viney? He has been playing well yes, but I reckon Michie has been pretty good.

Perhaps Watts makes way for Dawes?

To sum it up, Freo > Dees

Pedersen + Mckenzie out for Jetta + Dawes next week?
It was fun while it lasted Pedo :P

He could still stay in

Would require a big statement though - Not sure if Roos is willing to make it

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on May 05, 2015, 09:30:24 AM
Snapshot to Round 5, 2015.

Note: Rankings based on player averages (ie., played at least 2 games or more this season)

Top 5 Rankings

Contested (average per game)

1. Tyson (9.8)
2. Jones (9.4)
2. Cross (9.4)
4. Vandenberg (9.2)
5. Newton (8.0)

Uncontested

1.  Viney (15.0)
2.  Cross (11.6)
3.  Michie  (11.5)
4.  McDonald (11.4)
5.  Jones (10.8)

Effective Disposals

1.  Cross (14.8)
2.  McDonald (14.6)
3.  Viney (14.0)
4.  Howe (13.6)
5.  Michie (13.5)

Effective Disposal % (Best)


1.  Howe (81.1%)
2.  Dunn (80.3%)
3.  Garland (80.2%)
4.  McDonald (78.0%)
5.  Lumumba (76.9%)

Note: AFL Team Average 72.8% (Excluding MFC). Highest % >> Dockers 79.3 , Lowest % >> Demons 68.6

Effective Disposal % (Worst)

1.  Frost (46.8%)
2.  Vandenberg (53.9%)
3.  Garlett (54.0%)
4.  Kent (56.7%)
5.  JKH (59.4%)

Clearances

1. Tyson (5.2)
2. Viney (4.5)
2. Vince (4.5)
4 Cross (3.6)
5 Jones (3.2)

Tackles

1.  Viney (7.5)
2.  Vandenberg (5.6)
3.  Brayshaw (5.6)
4. Garlett (4.80)
5.  Vince (4.75)

Contested Marks

1.  Hogan (2.6)
2.  McDonald (1.6)
3.  Salem (1.2)
4.  Howe (1.0)
5.  Jamar (0.8)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on May 05, 2015, 09:51:58 AM
Whats going on with NJones atm boys? His numbers are way down
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on May 05, 2015, 10:09:19 AM
There was a little rumour going around he was having an issue with a shoulder/back issue, but looks to be over that now.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 05, 2015, 10:36:28 AM
A lot of the top stat getters in these are major surprises for me...

For example, Jack Viney the highest average uncontested possessions? Good to see!

Hogans' stat continues to amaze. Is he still number one for contested marks in the AFL?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on May 05, 2015, 12:54:28 PM
Hogan is still outright 1st for contested marks in front of Bruce, Fyfe and Hooker.

Tom is 3rd in One-Percenters, 10th in marks, 1st in rebound 50s and just in the top 20 in contested marks. Pretty impressive
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 05, 2015, 07:04:53 PM
Viney's a gun

We need him back real soon
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: _wato on May 05, 2015, 07:09:35 PM
Can anyone offer some insight into why Lumumba tagged Fyfe on the weekend?

Surely he's too good to be tagging, chuck him on ball and let him run riot Roosy!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 05, 2015, 07:16:27 PM
Can anyone offer some insight into why Lumumba tagged Fyfe on the weekend?

Surely he's too good to be tagging, chuck him on ball and let him run riot Roosy!

Crossy too slow
Viney injured (probably not tall enough anyway)
Mckenzie - sub for some stupid reason
Vince not a real defensive/tagger type player (also just doesn't have the pace/strength to go with Fyfe)
Lumumba (quick, strong, relatively decent contested game and can compete reasonably well in the air) - Definitely needed him in the backline though, especially after Salem went down. Just couldn't let Fyfe run riot though
Jonesy also appears to be carrying some sort of injury so a run-with role was going to be pretty unlikely
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on May 06, 2015, 09:41:47 AM
Yeah Mckenzie as the sub was a stupid decision. I would have rather him run with Hill all game or something.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 06, 2015, 10:27:31 AM
I've quite liked Michie's two games this year... I think he is starting to remind us all of what he has to offer. Is is out of contract isn't he?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 06, 2015, 12:30:00 PM
Jetta still out this week  :-\
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 06, 2015, 01:45:21 PM
Jetta still out this week  :-\

Damn  :-\ he's surprisingly important for us.

Not quite in the form he was last year though that would have got him an All-Aus nomination had he played every game...

I always get the strangest of looks when I tell people that  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 06, 2015, 01:48:26 PM
Jetta still out this week  :-\

Damn  :-\ he's surprisingly important for us.

Not quite in the form he was last year though that would have got him an All-Aus nomination had he played every game...

I always get the strangest of looks when I tell people that  :P

Yep he kept a few big names quiet last year - Most people wouldn't have a clue who most team's small defenders are though
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: powersuperkents on May 07, 2015, 11:15:37 AM
When will Gawn come in? I admire Jamar's single handed effort in the ruck this season but surely Gawn has got to come in at some stage as a resting forward. He's the 3rd tallest player in the AFL.

I don't think he needs to come in, but I think he should have the opportunity to develop against at the top level - even though his VFL performances have been substandard. Too much of an asset tbh

Had a shocking game last week but I think he kicked 3 today so improving a bit

The thing that worries me is that he just doesn't impose himself enough on the contest. You are right I think about getting him to develop at AFL level - I think one of the main issues is that playing in the VFL he is just so flowering tall that he really doesn't need to have good body work or be able to postion himself well. He just kind of stands there and outstretches his arms - which obviously won't work at AFL level

I quite liked the two-pronged forward set up with a bunch of smalls around though
He's basically a better version of Robert Warnock hahaha

Yeah, like Warnock, he can't solely rely on his height at AFL level. I think Roos is going to make him work for it because he's the sort of coach who 1) gets the players 'in form'; and then 2) only selects those who are 'in form'. He is good at catching out 'coasters' (unlike Leppa who thinks he is good at it hahaha) 
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: powersuperkents on May 07, 2015, 11:23:08 AM
Also, what is going on with JKH's confidence in front of goals this season. It seems he never wants to take the shot himself (nothing more irritating than a professional athlete who won't back themselves in), & when he passes it off it just results in a turnover. He's a talented player and I've seen him score plenty of shots with ease. Just doesn't seem to be happening this season and even when he does go for the shot he hesitates (obviously the worst thing you can do if you intend to score).

He's doing quite well as a burst player in the midfield, my only criticisms are that he needs to work on his disposal efficiency and his confidence in front of the goals (he is perfectly capable of scoring so his shot accuracy isn't the issue)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 07, 2015, 01:00:10 PM
Interesting note PSK, JKH hasn't grabbed my attention this year, but now that you mention it, you are right.

I'm putting it down to being a second year player still finding that fine balance between taking the game on and doing the team thing, especially as the team was accused as selfish from Roos about the freo game.

He hasn't been our best this year, but nor our worst. He's been damaging in patches, just like Kent and Garlett have been, I just assumed it to be how all small forwards play haha.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 07, 2015, 04:22:45 PM
Not sure if you guys heard but Stretch was the emergency last week

Must be closer to a debut than I thought
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 07, 2015, 05:04:30 PM
Not sure if you guys heard but Stretch was the emergency last week

Must be closer to a debut than I thought

Yeah I did notice that... every time I hear something about him, it's always been in a positive light. Like, he is exceeding everyone's expectations. It was also good to read today that his best mate Neal-Bullen had a pretty good first match for the VFL seniors; 21 disposals to go with his 9 tackles! It's great to see so many of our young players tackling!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 07, 2015, 05:52:22 PM
4 changes this week!

Wow that's massive for Roos

In: Dawes, Spence, Toumpas, Stretch
Out: Jamar, Grimes, Mckenzie, Michie

Hopefully Spencer can take this chance with both hands
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on May 07, 2015, 06:17:14 PM
Hopefully Toumpas isnt the sub
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: GoLions on May 07, 2015, 06:25:09 PM
STREEEEEEEEEEEEEEETCH

Likely to be sub or someone else? I wanna play him in BXVs haha
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 07, 2015, 06:27:01 PM
Hopefully Toumpas isnt the sub

I hope so to.

Because hopefully that would mean he would be a late withdrawal  :P

STREEEEEEEEEEEEEEETCH

Likely to be sub or someone else? I wanna play him in BXVs haha

Nah the green vest has Stretch written all over it... also, GO STRETCH! WHOO!

But wow at these 4 changes! tbh I only expected Dawes/McKenzie swap... think Grimes and Michie were a little hard done by.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: GoLions on May 07, 2015, 06:28:33 PM
STREEEEEEEEEEEEEEETCH

Likely to be sub or someone else? I wanna play him in BXVs haha

Nah the green vest has Stretch written all over it... also, GO STRETCH! WHOO!

But wow at these 4 changes! tbh I only expected Dawes/McKenzie swap... think Grimes and Michie were a little hard done by.
I'll whack him in the mids and make Cotchin sub hahaha
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 07, 2015, 06:34:00 PM
STREEEEEEEEEEEEEEETCH

Likely to be sub or someone else? I wanna play him in BXVs haha

Nah the green vest has Stretch written all over it... also, GO STRETCH! WHOO!

But wow at these 4 changes! tbh I only expected Dawes/McKenzie swap... think Grimes and Michie were a little hard done by.
I'll whack him in the mids and make Cotchin sub hahaha

Oh GL, you're talking BS (Billy Stretch :P)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: powersuperkents on May 07, 2015, 06:34:35 PM
I get the feeling that Paul Roos doesn't like Grimes  :P

He was one of their best during the club's dark era, but maybe that was his time. Might not be a strong player in an improving side. Hopefully that's not the case, I think he should be utilised as a rebounding halfback rather than a midfielder.

Jordie McKenzie... I'm surprised Roos hasn't delisted him yet. How has he been in the AFL for so long! haha

Stretch will be interesting to watch (a bargain in the draft)

Spencer looks to be the club second ruck (over Gawn who I drafted in the AmericaXVIIIs - but have Jamar as my secondary ruck to Lobbe), a lot of responsibility for him this week - Pyke is quite underrated. Why was Jamar omitted though, he was doing quite well considering the fact that he's 31 and the sole ruckman of the team (his season objective was to play every game this year  :( ). It says omitted but I think that it has more to do with resting tbh 
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 07, 2015, 06:39:18 PM
I get the feeling that Paul Roos doesn't like Grimes  :P

He was one of their best during the club's dark era, but maybe that was his time. Might not be a strong player in an improving side. Hopefully that's not the case, I think he should be utilised as a rebounding halfback rather than a midfielder.

Jordie McKenzie... I'm surprised Roos hasn't delisted him yet. How has he been in the AFL for so long! haha

Stretch will be interesting to watch (a bargain in the draft)

Spencer looks to be the club second ruck (over Gawn who I drafted in the AmericaXVIIIs - but have Jamar as my secondary ruck to Lobbe), a lot of responsibility for him this week - Pyke is quite underrated. Why was Jamar omitted though, he was doing quite well considering the fact that he's 31 and the sole ruckman of the team (his season objective was to play every game this year  :( ). It says omitted but I think that it has more to do with resting tbh

Spencer has been having some real high possession numbers in the VFL so hopefully he can bring it to AFL level as well. He needs a chance to show what he's got, and it's not going to be as a second-ruck. Jamar a bit unlucky - although he does need a rest after facing some tough opponents. Doesn't offer much around the ground either though which could be part of the reason.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 07, 2015, 06:44:51 PM
I get the feeling that Paul Roos doesn't like Grimes  :P

He was one of their best during the club's dark era, but maybe that was his time. Might not be a strong player in an improving side. Hopefully that's not the case, I think he should be utilised as a rebounding halfback rather than a midfielder.

Jordie McKenzie... I'm surprised Roos hasn't delisted him yet. How has he been in the AFL for so long! haha

Stretch will be interesting to watch (a bargain in the draft)

Spencer looks to be the club second ruck (over Gawn who I drafted in the AmericaXVIIIs - but have Jamar as my secondary ruck to Lobbe), a lot of responsibility for him this week - Pyke is quite underrated. Why was Jamar omitted though, he was doing quite well considering the fact that he's 31 and the sole ruckman of the team (his season objective was to play every game this year  :( ). It says omitted but I think that it has more to do with resting tbh

Spencer has been having some real high possession numbers in the VFL so hopefully he can bring it to AFL level as well. He needs a chance to show what he's got, and it's not going to be as a second-ruck. Jamar a bit unlucky - although he does need a rest after facing some tough opponents. Doesn't offer much around the ground either though which could be part of the reason.

I actually think Jamar was dropped; Spencer has just been too good at VFL this year. Jamar has been doing a good job, but his main criticism over his career has been that he doesn't do much around the ground... but I guess as long as you keep winning the taps, then that doesn't really matter. Despite this, I think Spencer has forced his way in through his ability to do more than Jamar, even though he is inferior in regards to tap-work.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on May 07, 2015, 06:48:59 PM
Yeah I'll be keen to see how Jake Spencer goes, Pyke really dominated against the weak Roughead/Cordy.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 07, 2015, 06:51:56 PM
Am also a little surprised that we have brought in BOTH Toumpas and Stretch, both of whom are physically on the light side, compared to the strong midfielders of Sydney.

I would have thought this is the sort of match Michie... even Riley would like.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 07, 2015, 07:26:46 PM
Am also a little surprised that we have brought in BOTH Toumpas and Stretch, both of whom are physically on the light side, compared to the strong midfielders of Sydney.

I would have thought this is the sort of match Michie... even Riley would like.

I guess we would be very one-paced with Michie and Riley in the side

Toumpas and Stretch would change things up a bit?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 07, 2015, 07:49:31 PM
Am also a little surprised that we have brought in BOTH Toumpas and Stretch, both of whom are physically on the light side, compared to the strong midfielders of Sydney.

I would have thought this is the sort of match Michie... even Riley would like.

I guess we would be very one-paced with Michie and Riley in the side

Toumpas and Stretch would change things up a bit?

Oh I wouldn't have both Michie/Riley, like I wouldn't have both Toumpas/Stretch

I probably would have kept Michie in the side and brought Stretch in. I still stand by that Toumpas shouldn't play AFL this year. I'm not saying I haven't totally given up on him, but at the moment, I reckon he will just keep on being brought in, have a disappointing match, get low on confidence, get dropped to VFL, which deflates him even more, and the cycle just repeats.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: GoLions on May 09, 2015, 05:53:58 PM
STREEEEEEEEEEEEEEETCH

Likely to be sub or someone else? I wanna play him in BXVs haha

Nah the green vest has Stretch written all over it... also, GO STRETCH! WHOO!

But wow at these 4 changes! tbh I only expected Dawes/McKenzie swap... think Grimes and Michie were a little hard done by.
I'll whack him in the mids and make Cotchin sub hahaha

Oh GL, you're talking BS (Billy Stretch :P)
I didn't name him on field and now he's not sub :'(
I blame you entirely Purps if I lose my match this week haha
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 09, 2015, 06:23:35 PM
STREEEEEEEEEEEEEEETCH

Likely to be sub or someone else? I wanna play him in BXVs haha

Nah the green vest has Stretch written all over it... also, GO STRETCH! WHOO!

But wow at these 4 changes! tbh I only expected Dawes/McKenzie swap... think Grimes and Michie were a little hard done by.
I'll whack him in the mids and make Cotchin sub hahaha

Oh GL, you're talking BS (Billy Stretch :P)
I didn't name him on field and now he's not sub :'(
I blame you entirely Purps if I lose my match this week haha

I'm sorry  :'(  I'm genuinely surprised  :D
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 10, 2015, 01:21:52 PM
Can we still trade Howe for pick 7?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on May 13, 2015, 06:01:01 PM
how has ANB been progressing?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 13, 2015, 06:16:18 PM
how has ANB been progressing?

Very well - no more trouble with the knee

Will debut this year I think - probably just after the byes
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on May 13, 2015, 06:21:24 PM
how has ANB been progressing?

Very well - no more trouble with the knee

Will debut this year I think - probably just after the byes

cool i was thinking he might come in for Dyson
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 13, 2015, 07:22:29 PM
how has ANB been progressing?

Very well - no more trouble with the knee

Will debut this year I think - probably just after the byes

cool i was thinking he might come in for Dyson

Dom Tyson should be playing this week, he won't miss any games, he just scared the sh*t out of everyone.

He could come in for the Toump though... every though I admit, he wasn't the worst against Sydney.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 13, 2015, 07:38:52 PM
how has ANB been progressing?

Very well - no more trouble with the knee

Will debut this year I think - probably just after the byes

cool i was thinking he might come in for Dyson

Dom Tyson should be playing this week, he won't miss any games, he just scared the sh*t out of everyone.

He could come in for the Toump though... every though I admit, he wasn't the worst against Sydney.

I actually didn't mind Toumpas - yeh he made mistakes, but he actually showed intent and a will to win the footy. I think he would benefit from a few weeks in the 1's. What about JKH out for Bail? JKH hasn't really offered much recently and we are really missing that forward pressure that Kent provided.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 13, 2015, 09:04:00 PM
Yes, I agree with you that JKH hasn't been up to it and probably deserves to be dropped.

I suppose Bail does do that forward pressure stuff I guess... what if perhaps, say Stretch moved down there, and we brought Michie back in? I guess I'm trying to avoid having to play Bail  :-X
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 13, 2015, 09:33:59 PM
Just had a look at the VFL stats and Gawn had 6 contested marks on the weekend :o

Michie just the 2 tackles though so on face value he might need to do a bit more defensively before he comes back into the team
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 14, 2015, 08:23:05 AM
Just had a look at the VFL stats and Gawn had 6 contested marks on the weekend :o

Michie just the 2 tackles though so on face value he might need to do a bit more defensively before he comes back into the team

Ah true, true.

And that's the stat that will get Gawn into the team if he produces that for a month.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on May 14, 2015, 09:10:06 AM
Don't panic B Mac, its not a injury!



http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-14/demon-petracca-set-to-sign-on-for-two-more-years

MELBOURNE'S No.2 draft pick Christian Petracca is set to sign a two-year contract extension, which will see him tied to the Demons to the end of 2018.

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on May 14, 2015, 09:48:37 AM
Trengove has been training hard with Petracca which is good to see as he is still a leader of the club and is acting like a mentor for him. It will be good for both of them training with each other.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 14, 2015, 10:10:22 AM
Always love it when a player wants to commit to us  8)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 14, 2015, 02:28:03 PM
Cheers Rico  :D
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 16, 2015, 12:31:40 PM
Roos just said that Watts asked to be dropped for this game. Felt he was letting the team down in recent weeks
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 16, 2015, 08:41:43 PM
Well, at least we aren't Gold Coast....
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mr.Craig on May 16, 2015, 09:33:34 PM
Well, at least we aren't Gold Coast....

Yet.

#goldcoastdemons
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on May 16, 2015, 09:44:57 PM
Melbourne Suns has a decent ring to it
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mr.Craig on May 16, 2015, 09:51:49 PM
I guess Carlton can take the name Demons, they are clearly battling some.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 17, 2015, 09:21:53 AM
And the nerve of Jeff Kennett is amazing. Lost ALL respect I have for him, for a guy with his profile and media personality, he disgustingly used that simultaneously with ridiculous ignorance to kick melbourne while they're down.

Calling us a VFL club at best? You tosser. You absolute tosser. 1) There are 3 teams rightfully below us on the ladder. Take pot shots at them before us. 2) ALL of our losses (5) have been at the hands of current top 6 teams. That's the major reason why we're currently a bottom 4 team.

Being 2-5 doesn't do too much for our respect held by the competition... and most wouldn't realise that we have only lost to very good teams this year.

But then, you have the nerve to go and ensure we have zero respect by the competition as an AFL team, based on nothing but one bad performance. You absolute prick.

Sigh. That really annoyed me.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 17, 2015, 09:39:44 AM
Yeh Purps I don't think anyone pays attention to him anymore

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ringo on May 17, 2015, 01:56:42 PM
But Kennets eyes are only tiger stripes and he is too scared to grab a Tiger by the tail.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on May 17, 2015, 02:25:33 PM
Kennett has always been an attention seeker. He himself admitted it all the time when Hawthorn kept losing to Geelong, just ignore the troll and move on
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mr.Craig on May 17, 2015, 04:19:09 PM
Keep in mind this is the guy that wanted Clarkson sacked.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 17, 2015, 07:53:14 PM
Dawes needs to go - After his comments during the week he really needed to put in a big performance and he didn't. He gave us the same shower he's given us all year. I wonder if Roos has the balls


Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 17, 2015, 08:16:35 PM
Dawes needs to go - After his comments during the week he really needed to put in a big performance and he didn't. He gave us the same shower he's given us all year. I wonder if Roos has the balls

+1

Apparently, the Demonlanders picked up a couple of potential hints from Roos that he isn't pleased with Dawes... so with Hulk coming back next week, Pedersen sure as heck ain't being dropped... it really might be Dawes.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on May 18, 2015, 11:25:28 AM
bit worried Vandenberg might get dropped
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 18, 2015, 11:27:39 AM
bit worried Vandenberg might get dropped

Perhaps yeah. But it would be a rest, definitely not due to form.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on May 18, 2015, 11:31:35 AM
bit worried Vandenberg might get dropped

Perhaps yeah. But it would be a rest, definitely not due to form.

why not? been average last 2 weeks i think
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: ossie85 on May 18, 2015, 11:53:24 AM

Who knows at Melbourne, any player could asked to get dropped any week
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on May 18, 2015, 11:56:57 AM

Who knows at Melbourne, any player could asked to get dropped any week

yeah that was so dumb

"felt he was letting his mates down"

so he drops himself cause that's not letting them down even more

man up Watts
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 18, 2015, 01:36:48 PM

Who knows at Melbourne, any player could asked to get dropped any week

yeah that was so dumb

"felt he was letting his mates down"

so he drops himself cause that's not letting them down even more

man up Watts

No. He did the honourable thing. Call him unfulfilled, a softcock, a waste of talent, and I'll let it slide. But you're wrong here kb. He has been letting the team down in recent weeks, and good on him for recognising it and being mature enough to do something about it.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: ossie85 on May 18, 2015, 01:54:34 PM

Nope, don't agree Big Mac.

If he was letting the team down, the coach would be the first to drop him.

Roos obviously felt he was in the best 22.

This isn't about the team, this is about him IMO. Though, I am speculating with absolutely no basis and could be completely wrong.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 18, 2015, 02:22:39 PM
Watts has been in horrible form. I honestly doubt he was in the best 22. He almost had more disposals on the weekend than he has had in the past 3 weeks combined. If Watts can get into some form, and get his confidence back, the team will be much better off for it than if he had continued his current form in the ones.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: ossie85 on May 18, 2015, 02:34:10 PM
Watts has been in horrible form. I honestly doubt he was in the best 22. He almost had more disposals on the weekend than he has had in the past 3 weeks combined. If Watts can get into some form, and get his confidence back, the team will be much better off for it than if he had continued his current form in the ones.

I agree with that. I just feel Paul Roos is an experienced enough coach to make those decisions.

What I think happened:

Roos called Watts into his office, and said "Hey Jack, you're form isn't where we need it to be, what do you think we should do about it"

Watts: "I think I could use some time in the twos"

Roos: "Good idea Jack"

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on May 18, 2015, 05:46:21 PM

Who knows at Melbourne, any player could asked to get dropped any week

yeah that was so dumb

"felt he was letting his mates down"

so he drops himself cause that's not letting them down even more

man up Watts

No. He did the honourable thing. Call him unfulfilled, a softcock, a waste of talent, and I'll let it slide. But you're wrong here kb. He has been letting the team down in recent weeks, and good on him for recognising it and being mature enough to do something about it.

no i'm not wrong i just have a different opinion then you
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on May 18, 2015, 05:51:45 PM
I'm fine with the player dropping himself if the coaching staff are fine with it, nothing wrong with the player wanting to take initiative.

See it pretty similarly to the Goodes sub decision. Obviously there's a massive difference between Watts vs. Goodes but if the coaches are fine with it then fans/supporters can't really argue imo
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 18, 2015, 05:56:30 PM

Who knows at Melbourne, any player could asked to get dropped any week

yeah that was so dumb

"felt he was letting his mates down"

so he drops himself cause that's not letting them down even more

man up Watts

No. He did the honourable thing. Call him unfulfilled, a softcock, a waste of talent, and I'll let it slide. But you're wrong here kb. He has been letting the team down in recent weeks, and good on him for recognising it and being mature enough to do something about it.

no i'm not wrong i just have a different opinion then you

You can have your opinion if you want, but suggesting that Watts is less of a 'man' for what he did is childish.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 18, 2015, 06:14:02 PM
Zak Jones re-signs with Sydney  :'(
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on May 18, 2015, 06:17:32 PM

Who knows at Melbourne, any player could asked to get dropped any week

yeah that was so dumb

"felt he was letting his mates down"

so he drops himself cause that's not letting them down even more

man up Watts

No. He did the honourable thing. Call him unfulfilled, a softcock, a waste of talent, and I'll let it slide. But you're wrong here kb. He has been letting the team down in recent weeks, and good on him for recognising it and being mature enough to do something about it.

no i'm not wrong i just have a different opinion then you

You can have your opinion if you want, but suggesting that Watts is less of a 'man' for what he did is childish.

funny coming from you guys after what you guys say about Mitch Clark
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Mailman the 2nd on May 18, 2015, 06:22:50 PM
Those are in no way comparable situations lol
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on May 18, 2015, 06:25:19 PM
Those are in no way comparable situations lol

not trying to say they are

just saying calling me childish for my opinion on this is funny when i know there opinion on Mitch Clark
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 18, 2015, 06:39:49 PM
Zak Jones re-signs with Sydney  :'(

To be honest, I thought he would re-sign with them. He looked like a guy that would tough it out and accept the challenge.

I reckon he's got Rhyce Shaw's spot eventually. Still, would have been nice, especially with the Sydney trade ban probably working in our favour i.e. just chuck a second rounder their way. Ah well.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 18, 2015, 06:46:20 PM
Those are in no way comparable situations lol

not trying to say they are

just saying calling me childish for my opinion on this is funny when i know there opinion on Mitch Clark

So you're saying my opinion on Mitch Clark is childish? You can disagree with mine and Purp's opinion on Mitch Clark all you want, but I've yet to see a single legitimate argument trying to prove otherwise
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 18, 2015, 08:23:04 PM
Also interesting to see Josh Kelly is apparently Salem's BFF according to Demonland.

I think I remember hearing that at draft time actually. I'd happily trade a player + our first rounder for him, if he wanted to come back home.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 18, 2015, 08:50:14 PM
Also interesting to see Josh Kelly is apparently Salem's BFF according to Demonland.

I think I remember hearing that at draft time actually. I'd happily trade a player + our first rounder for him, if he wanted to come back home.

The Roos vs Beveridge discussion on there is pretty interesting. Makes you wonder if there is more Roos should be doing. Losing to the Hawks isn't the end of the world though, as some make it seem
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 18, 2015, 09:12:52 PM
Also interesting to see Josh Kelly is apparently Salem's BFF according to Demonland.

I think I remember hearing that at draft time actually. I'd happily trade a player + our first rounder for him, if he wanted to come back home.

The Roos vs Beveridge discussion on there is pretty interesting. Makes you wonder if there is more Roos should be doing. Losing to the Hawks isn't the end of the world though, as some make it seem

Oh lord, the people over there... saying they want Roos sacked? Unbelievable.

People seem to forget we have literally just played possibly the 3 best teams in a row, to be honest, a 100 point loss isn't a huge surprise.

But I do relate... why can't we have our coach have an instant effect like Hinkley and Beveridge? But even then, Roos had a much worst list to inherit than either of those teams, and really has transformed the team. The results only look the same as previous years, because we have played the best teams. I'm not going down the "all hope is lost" path just yet.

Yet the same people who now want Roos sacked, will be the same people that will say Melbourne will win a premiership, when we win our next game.

People  ::)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 18, 2015, 10:32:53 PM
Beveridge definitely had a better list to inherit, courtesy of McCartney, which is why I'm so happy we have him right now. He'll definitely be around the mark for a senior coaching gig at the end of the year though, especially if Carlton and GC don't pick up their game. What I'm more worried about is the game day coaching. Did Roos make a single coaching move against Hawthorn? Just to try something? All I've noticed him do in the last 3 weeks is occasionally put a spare man back, and move Lumumba to Fyfe a couple weeks ago
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 19, 2015, 10:39:40 AM
That's a good point yeah. I guess, maybe, he is just trying to put out a consistent and trustworthy plan/brand every week, and is perhaps worried what a deviation might do to the players confidences?

I dunno. It is a concern. Still, I have total and utter faith in our off-field crew, and Roos is the head of that for me.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 21, 2015, 09:19:39 AM
Had another gander at Demonland (I really should stop).

Gee. It's June 2013 over there atm, it's ridiculous.

I still firmly believe we are on track for 8 wins (so 6 more) this season.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 21, 2015, 04:12:10 PM
Yeh still think we have another 4 games we will go in as favourites in and then just need to pinch 2 more, probably against the pies and the dogs who we play twice this year or even essendon/port etc who we played well against last year
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 21, 2015, 04:14:25 PM
Love the new pic by the way

They keep getting better every time  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 21, 2015, 04:56:35 PM
Love the new pic by the way

They keep getting better every time  :P

Haha lol, its because I keep finding better and better ones :P

I saw it in the herald sun today, and it really is breathtaking... If this one EVER gets replaced, it would mean there would have to be a new shot with ecstasy-levels of awesomeness haha, if that isn't alreay :P

Although, it might get a temporary change if a Demon stands up particularly well in any given week... Brayshaw's rising star nomination for example  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 21, 2015, 04:57:52 PM
I still can't stop staring at your gif whenever I see you post somewhere btw, I find myself AT LEAST watching it 3 times.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 23, 2015, 10:29:47 PM
Jamar went down in the 2nd tonight and Gawn took on the ruck work full time. Not only did he beat Hampson in the ruck, but he also had 20 disposals and managed to kick 3 goals. Very promising signs
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 24, 2015, 07:46:43 AM
Jamar went down in the 2nd tonight and Gawn took on the ruck work full time. Not only did he beat Hampson in the ruck, but he also had 20 disposals and managed to kick 3 goals. Very promising signs

That sounds like the game we have been waiting for gawn to play all year, very good to hear! Shame about Russian though.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 24, 2015, 06:10:29 PM
What a game, what a win

Exciting footy

As a side note, Dawes must not come in this week. I will crack the showers if he does
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: roo boys! on May 24, 2015, 06:13:20 PM
Seriously guys, how good was Pedo?  8)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 24, 2015, 06:17:07 PM
Seriously guys, how good was Pedo?  8)

Might've been first round last year when he first played forward for us, and I was just like "oh my god, why did we recruit this spud". He's come a long way since  8)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 24, 2015, 06:23:00 PM
Seriously guys, how good was Pedo?  8)

Might've been first round last year when he first played forward for us, and I was just like "oh my god, why did we recruit this spud". He's come a long way since  8)

Round 1 last year, it was him that I resented the most.

Now, I'm a big fan  :D

And yes, I too, will crack the showers if Dawes comes in.

Only M.Jones and Bail would be in danger yeah?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on May 24, 2015, 06:23:07 PM
Hogamania
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 24, 2015, 06:26:08 PM
Hogamania

Don't have to tell us :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 24, 2015, 06:36:32 PM
So Port next week

Coming off 3 losses, they will be looking to make a statement. Viney and Jetta coming back will add a real hard edge to our team though - I reckon we're in with a chance
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 24, 2015, 06:45:17 PM
So Port next week

Coming off 3 losses, they will be looking to make a statement. Viney and Jetta coming back will add a real hard edge to our team though - I reckon we're in with a chance

Our opposition always seems to be on the rebound off a loss  ::)

I most certainly think we are a chance; we should have beaten them twice last year. Especially if Viney and Jetta get up.

At Alice Springs... any advantage in that?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 24, 2015, 07:01:22 PM
The Tree to make another appearance!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 24, 2015, 07:17:15 PM
Also, how good was Fitzy! He beat his opponent so convincingly that he was subbed off
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on May 24, 2015, 07:19:58 PM
The Tree to make another appearance!

the treeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 24, 2015, 07:24:05 PM
The Tree to make another appearance!

the treeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Possible downgrade target this week?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 24, 2015, 08:19:51 PM
Lol, I love the Tree!

And yeah Fitzy! I though his career was finished at the start of the year... I know it's only one game, but maybe he has a role in the team now?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: powersuperkents on May 24, 2015, 08:35:22 PM
So Port next week

Coming off 3 losses, they will be looking to make a statement. Viney and Jetta coming back will add a real hard edge to our team though - I reckon we're in with a chance

Our opposition always seems to be on the rebound off a loss  ::)

I most certainly think we are a chance; we should have beaten them twice last year. Especially if Viney and Jetta get up.

At Alice Springs... any advantage in that?
Honestly, (of course supporters don't want to be too complacent) as a Power support I would tip Melbourne to win. The way we have played over the last 3 weeks has been bottom 3 quality. Melbourne has a strong defence and doesn't seem to have trouble scoring. The Power's forward line just hasn't been able to convert (really frustrating).

I think it will be a battle nonetheless, but I think the hunters will want it more than the hunted (it's not a question of need/ it's a question of which team is willing to work for it (& the work ethic of both sides have been polar opposites)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 25, 2015, 09:54:02 AM
So Port next week

Coming off 3 losses, they will be looking to make a statement. Viney and Jetta coming back will add a real hard edge to our team though - I reckon we're in with a chance

Our opposition always seems to be on the rebound off a loss  ::)

I most certainly think we are a chance; we should have beaten them twice last year. Especially if Viney and Jetta get up.

At Alice Springs... any advantage in that?
Honestly, (of course supporters don't want to be too complacent) as a Power support I would tip Melbourne to win. The way we have played over the last 3 weeks has been bottom 3 quality. Melbourne has a strong defence and doesn't seem to have trouble scoring. The Power's forward line just hasn't been able to convert (really frustrating).

I think it will be a battle nonetheless, but I think the hunters will want it more than the hunted (it's not a question of need/ it's a question of which team is willing to work for it (& the work ethic of both sides have been polar opposites)

I'm very confident you guys will find your rhythm again, I just hope it's not next week  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 25, 2015, 09:54:44 AM
Also think maybe I was quick to criticise Bail and M.Jones, they did do important forward tag roles on Johannisen and Bob Murphy.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 25, 2015, 04:39:35 PM
Also think maybe I was quick to criticise Bail and M.Jones, they did do important forward tag roles on Johannisen and Bob Murphy.


M. Jones was good

Bail may have done alright as a defensive forward, but he only had one disposal to half time. Just not good enough when guys like Viney and Jetta are knocking on the door.

Viney and Jetta the ins surely, with Tyson getting another week to get himself right for the QB clash. Not sure who comes out though, Bail and who else?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 25, 2015, 04:42:28 PM
Also think maybe I was quick to criticise Bail and M.Jones, they did do important forward tag roles on Johannisen and Bob Murphy.


M. Jones was good

Bail may have done alright as a defensive forward, but he only had one disposal to half time. Just not good enough when guys like Viney and Jetta are knocking on the door.

Viney and Jetta the ins surely, with Tyson getting another week to get himself right for the QB clash. Not sure who comes out though, Bail and who else?

Maybe M.Jones still? Whether its concussion related or not?

Riley I guess could be unlucky.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 25, 2015, 06:35:33 PM
Also think maybe I was quick to criticise Bail and M.Jones, they did do important forward tag roles on Johannisen and Bob Murphy.


M. Jones was good

Bail may have done alright as a defensive forward, but he only had one disposal to half time. Just not good enough when guys like Viney and Jetta are knocking on the door.

Viney and Jetta the ins surely, with Tyson getting another week to get himself right for the QB clash. Not sure who comes out though, Bail and who else?

Maybe M.Jones still? Whether its concussion related or not?

Riley I guess could be unlucky.

I'd like M. Jones to play a similar role on Pittard this week. Think Nev also has to come in and take Wingard. Hard one to pick
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 27, 2015, 08:19:43 AM
Was reading Demonland, and a poster read this on BigFooty from a port supporter:

Quote
"Melbourne Vs Port Adelaide 43pts - Paul Roos was one of the first coaches to figure out our gameplan and only now has the rest of the competition adapted to his findings. What he may further have in store is frightening. They almost pipped us twice last year even when we had most of our best team in. Loss of trengove we have a poor record aswell as the flair of Hogan. It's not going to be good for port."

I got huge enjoyment reading that. It's rare for an opposition team to rate us, even just for one match.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on May 27, 2015, 08:29:10 AM
Interesting Purps. Will be keen to see if he is correct.
Must admit there's a fair bit of excitement about Melbourne now
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Grazz on May 27, 2015, 04:46:26 PM
Yeh it's good to see the Dee's finding a bit, GWS are up and about now Bulldogs have played some good footy, Saints improving Lions will get themselves sorted soon it's not a bad list but missing a couple of key outs from injury at the minute their better than they've shown i think. GC have gone backwards to go forwards if we believe Rocket and injuries have nullified their year also they to are better than they've shown. Hopefully Carlton can make quick time in their rebuild . The comp is getting stronger which makes for better footy for all of us fans of the game. Been awhile coming but it's getting there.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 27, 2015, 05:25:08 PM
Melbourne injury list: round nine

Chris Dawes (calf) – test
Sam Frost (toe) – 4-6 weeks
Neville Jetta (concussion) – available
Jay Kennedy-Harris (groin) – 2 weeks
Dean Kent (hamstring) – 6 weeks
Christian Petracca (knee) – season
Christian Salem (hamstring) – 2 weeks
Jack Trengove (foot) – season
Dom Tyson (knee) – test
Jack Viney (fibula) – available
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 27, 2015, 06:59:43 PM
Start of the year we were really healthy, but seemed to get an injury a week  :-\

However, our depth seems to be returning somewhat.

I heard an interesting suggestion from Demonland... perhaps we should rest Gus this week, which would make way for Tyson (assuming Viney and Jetta come in for Bail and M.Jones)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: powersuperkents on May 27, 2015, 07:37:25 PM
Honestly, the Demons have shown that they have improved. Last season they fell apart after a big loss.

To go from 3 losses (two of which were thrashing) to more than convincingly beat a strong bulldogs outfit is incredible. The 3 losses where to the top 3 teams and expected. I would say the Demons are competing for the 8 this season and should be a frontrunner as a top 8 contender next year. The game against the Bulldogs was their biggest test to see if they could hold together (i.e. remain consistent) and they passed with flying colours. Congrats Paul Roos, only took one year to fix a team that was deemed unfix-able. Should give the next Carlton coach hope.

Wishing my side had the Demons' resilience atm  :-\
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 28, 2015, 07:25:41 AM
Wow, competing for the 8 this year? You have more optimism than I PSK :P but thanks for the kind words.

And to  think a lot of Melbourne supporters wrote the year off and some even wanted roos to get the flick last week ::)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: powersuperkents on May 28, 2015, 02:06:57 PM
Wow, competing for the 8 this year? You have more optimism than I PSK :P but thanks for the kind words.

And to  think a lot of Melbourne supporters wrote the year off and some even wanted roos to get the flick last week ::)
hahahahahaha what!!!

Sydney, Freo, then Hawthorn. What did they expect!! I think the team has done well, however to beat one of these sides (one of which remains 8-0) you have to be a top 4 contender (or incredibly lucky). Those supporters should be commending Roos, not criticising him hahaha   

Additionally, I think Hawthorn could beat a lot of teams at will by a 100 point margin but choose not to. They only did it against the Demon's because they were playing the Swans the next week, were coming off a loss, being criticised by some, and needed to make a statement (it's like when the Swan's beat Geelong by 100 points last year to assert dominance, nothing but mere mind games and not a reflection of the Demons - they were basically just unlucky)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on May 28, 2015, 02:15:23 PM
Wow, competing for the 8 this year? You have more optimism than I PSK :P but thanks for the kind words.

And to  think a lot of Melbourne supporters wrote the year off and some even wanted roos to get the flick last week ::)
hahahahahaha what!!!

Sydney, Freo, then Hawthorn. What did they expect!! I think the team has done well, however to beat one of these sides (one of which remains 8-0) you have to be a top 4 contender (or incredibly lucky). Those supporters should be commending Roos, not criticising him hahaha   

Additionally, I think Hawthorn could beat a lot of teams at will by a 100 point margin but choose not to. They only did it against the Demon's because they were playing the Swans the next week, were coming off a loss, being criticised by some, and needed to make a statement (it's like when the Swan's beat Geelong by 100 points last year to assert dominance, nothing but mere mind games and not a reflection of the Demons - they were basically just unlucky)

Lol, that's what I was thinking too! Some sane people over at Demonland said just that, then got crucified by the others saying "Excuses, excuses, excuses. We will always be a bad club blah blah blah".

Well, for one, they're not excuses. It's the truth. We weren't gonna beat any of those teams, so lets just stop expecting to beat all three of them and cut our wrists when we don't, and start to look at the reality of the situation.

Still, although what these people were saying was half-pathetic, the other half was pretty darn funny haha.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on May 28, 2015, 04:33:45 PM
Wow, competing for the 8 this year? You have more optimism than I PSK :P but thanks for the kind words.

And to  think a lot of Melbourne supporters wrote the year off and some even wanted roos to get the flick last week ::)
hahahahahaha what!!!

Sydney, Freo, then Hawthorn. What did they expect!! I think the team has done well, however to beat one of these sides (one of which remains 8-0) you have to be a top 4 contender (or incredibly lucky). Those supporters should be commending Roos, not criticising him hahaha   

Additionally, I think Hawthorn could beat a lot of teams at will by a 100 point margin but choose not to. They only did it against the Demon's because they were playing the Swans the next week, were coming off a loss, being criticised by some, and needed to make a statement (it's like when the Swan's beat Geelong by 100 points last year to assert dominance, nothing but mere mind games and not a reflection of the Demons - they were basically just unlucky)

Lol, that's what I was thinking too! Some sane people over at Demonland said just that, then got crucified by the others saying "Excuses, excuses, excuses. We will always be a bad club blah blah blah".

Well, for one, they're not excuses. It's the truth. We weren't gonna beat any of those teams, so lets just stop expecting to beat all three of them and cut our wrists when we don't, and start to look at the reality of the situation.

Still, although what these people were saying was half-pathetic, the other half was pretty darn funny haha.

Some of the things people were saying before the dogs game really had me questioning why they are even still supporters
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: powersuperkents on May 29, 2015, 03:54:23 PM
Wow, competing for the 8 this year? You have more optimism than I PSK :P but thanks for the kind words.

And to  think a lot of Melbourne supporters wrote the year off and some even wanted roos to get the flick last week ::)
hahahahahaha what!!!

Sydney, Freo, then Hawthorn. What did they expect!! I think the team has done well, however to beat one of these sides (one of which remains 8-0) you have to be a top 4 contender (or incredibly lucky). Those supporters should be commending Roos, not criticising him hahaha   

Additionally, I think Hawthorn could beat a lot of teams at will by a 100 point margin but choose not to. They only did it against the Demon's because they were playing the Swans the next week, were coming off a loss, being criticised by some, and needed to make a statement (it's like when the Swan's beat Geelong by 100 points last year to assert dominance, nothing but mere mind games and not a reflection of the Demons - they were basically just unlucky)

Lol, that's what I was thinking too! Some sane people over at Demonland said just that, then got crucified by the others saying "Excuses, excuses, excuses. We will always be a bad club blah blah blah".

Well, for one, they're not excuses. It's the truth. We weren't gonna beat any of those teams, so lets just stop expecting to beat all three of them and cut our wrists when we don't, and start to look at the reality of the situation.

Still, although what these people were saying was half-pathetic, the other half was pretty darn funny haha.

Some of the things people were saying before the dogs game really had me questioning why they are even still supporters
I don't understand why supporters complain when the only empirical changes in the team is improvement. I think this should be a happier time for Demons supporters. Next year will be the test (will have to equal or beat this seasons progress), this season has been nothing but positives for the club imo. Carlton supporters should be the only ones complaining tbh - even GCS would be doing well this season if it weren't for their injury list
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Millsy999 on May 29, 2015, 06:09:37 PM

I'll just leave this here..... ;D

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-youngster-jesse-hogan-delivers-the-sledge-of-the-season/story-fndv7pj3-1227374403584

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 01, 2015, 08:21:06 PM
Continuing on from another thread, Big Mac and my boy Hulk gets the Rising Star nomination  :D

I also think Brayshaw probably deserved it on the day, but I have a feeling consistency was key for Hulk's nomination.



I also genuinely believe he is a great chance to take the award out. Heeney going down certainly helped his cause, who are the other main threats?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 01, 2015, 08:22:19 PM
Oh, consistency and his AMAZING first half of the second quarter against the Power. It was just magnificent.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 01, 2015, 08:47:14 PM
Cripps and McCarthy the main competitors

Hogan is far better than McCarthy, takes way more marks and gets involved much more. McCarthy will probably kick more goals though with Cameron taking the no. 1 defender - Hopefully the selectors take this into account

Cripps is another who has been really consistent. Not getting the midfield minutes he needs though which I think will see him down the pecking order a bit
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: powersuperkents on June 01, 2015, 09:05:36 PM
Cripps and McCarthy the main competitors

Hogan is far better than McCarthy, takes way more marks and gets involved much more. McCarthy will probably kick more goals though with Cameron taking the no. 1 defender - Hopefully the selectors take this into account

Cripps is another who has been really consistent. Not getting the midfield minutes he needs though which I think will see him down the pecking order a bit
I would say
1. Hogan
2. McCarthy
3. Cripps

However I'm surprised Touk Miller hasn't done enough to receive a nomination yet. I would have him placed in equal 3rd with Cripps atm. The longer Heeney is out, the less likely a win for him will be. Brayshaw is another contender, however at this point I only see Hogan or McCarthy winning it (would easily give Jogan the benefit of the doubt)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on June 02, 2015, 08:39:08 AM
Hogan will win it
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 02, 2015, 09:35:00 AM

I'll just leave this here..... ;D

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-youngster-jesse-hogan-delivers-the-sledge-of-the-season/story-fndv7pj3-1227374403584

Haha, that is awesome.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: powersuperkents on June 02, 2015, 04:39:44 PM
Hogan will win it
What about Tom Boyd..  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 04, 2015, 06:51:40 PM
Looks like Gawn to play ruck this week and Spencer to be dropped  :o
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 04, 2015, 07:11:21 PM
Looks like Gawn to play ruck this week and Spencer to be dropped  :o

Yeah... wow.

Good to see Newton in the 18 too.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 06, 2015, 04:52:58 PM
ANB with 35 touches today against Collingwood's VFL side

Tyson with 33 as well
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 06, 2015, 04:54:41 PM
4 point win by the way

Sign of things to come? :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: T Dog on June 06, 2015, 07:04:56 PM
Looks like Gawn to play ruck this week and Spencer to be dropped  :o

No...NoNo..NoNoNo...Nooooooooo
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 06, 2015, 09:42:09 PM
ANB with 35 touches today against Collingwood's VFL side

Tyson with 33 as well

Whoo! ANB!

Am surprised Tyson played VFL tbh. Would have though if he was fit, he would be an automatic selection.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 06, 2015, 09:46:32 PM
ANB with 35 touches today against Collingwood's VFL side

Tyson with 33 as well

Whoo! ANB!

Am surprised Tyson played VFL tbh. Would have though if he was fit, he would be an automatic selection.

Yeh seemed very odd

Surely even a 95% fit Tyson is better than Riley/Newton etc
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 08, 2015, 12:41:36 PM
ANB with 35 touches today against Collingwood's VFL side

Tyson with 33 as well

Yes some good numbers there;

Rohan Bail 2 goals 2 behinds 19 disposals 11 kicks 8 handballs 5 marks 75 dream team points
James Harmes 20 disposals 10 kicks 10 handballs 9 marks 5 tackles 84 dream team points
Mark Jamar 1 goal 1 behind 20 disposals 14 kicks 6 handballs 7 marks 1 tackles 20 hit outs 101 dream team points
Oscar McDonald 18 disposals 6 kicks 12 handballs 4 marks 1 tackle 58 dream team points
Jordie McKenzie 22 disposals 5 kicks 17 handballs 5 marks 4 tackles 77 dream team points
Viv Michie 1 goal 28 disposals 12 kicks 16 handballs 6 marks 3 tackles 103 dream team points
Alex Neal-Bullen 1 behind 34 disposals 21 kicks 13 handballs 4 marks 5 tackles 123 dream team points
Jake Spencer 1 behind 10 disposals 4 kicks 6 handballs 3 marks 4 tackles 26 hit outs dream 76 team points
Billy Stretch 1 behind 21 disposals 9 kicks 12 handballs 5 marks 4 tackles 81 dream team points
Dean Terlich 29 disposals 16 kicks 13 handballs 6 marks 5 tackles 109 dream team points
Dom Tyson 33 disposals 12 kicks 21 handballs 3 marks 4 tackles 1 hit out 101 dream team points
Mitch White 15 disposals 9 kicks 6 handballs 4 marks 1 tackle 52 dream team points
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 08, 2015, 12:53:18 PM
Harmes, ANB and Jamar my highlights in that group, cheers for the stats barra!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: powersuperkents on June 08, 2015, 09:09:01 PM
Thoughts on Gawn today? Will he hold his spot?

I thought he did a good job provided that his first senior call up of the year was to a game of that magnitude. What are the chances Roos keeps him because I think he has the physique and just needs the senior experience until he can become a ruck similar to Sandilands 
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 08, 2015, 10:11:51 PM
Thoughts on Gawn today? Will he hold his spot?

I thought he did a good job provided that his first senior call up of the year was to a game of that magnitude. What are the chances Roos keeps him because I think he has the physique and just needs the senior experience until he can become a ruck similar to Sandilands

tbh I didn't really like Gawn's game that much

I was at the game so I wasn't really doing much analysing, but he seemed to have a fair few of his hitouts sharked and then made some poor decisions around the ground - Needs to learn when to go for a mark and when to spoil especially

He will keep his spot for the next few weeks though


Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 08, 2015, 10:43:34 PM
Apparently there is a good chance Viney has fractured his leg again....
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: powersuperkents on June 08, 2015, 10:48:43 PM
Apparently there is a good chance Viney has fractured his leg again....
That kid is one of the toughest I've seen. If he wasn't a father-son pick I'd have him pegged for a top 5 selection at the draft
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 09, 2015, 08:48:50 AM
Yeah, he was a bargain at pick 26 or whatever it was.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 09, 2015, 10:45:34 AM
Apparently there is a good chance Viney has fractured his leg again....
That kid is one of the toughest I've seen. If he wasn't a father-son pick I'd have him pegged for a top 5 selection at the draft

Was bidded on at 7, definitely grateful he slipped past Pick 3 that year, his attack on the ball is the second most attractive thing about our team... behind every centimetre of Hogan  :P

Would really suck if he did his leg again  :'(
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 09, 2015, 10:47:07 AM
Also, I thought Gawn did some good things... and bad. I noticed a few masterful hitouts actually Mac, and I reckon it was a large reason for Jones' dominance in the second quarter IMO, Vince too.

But, I remember him dropping a few marks that he just can't afford to drop  :-\ it's really hard to split Spencer and Gawn tbh.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 09, 2015, 11:13:51 AM
I actually liked Gawn over Spencer and that's saying something for me. His height advantage was definitely a help and he did have some very nice taps going on.

Changes I'd like to see this week are;
Out: vandenBerg (injured - hamstring), MJones, Viney (if injured)
In: Grimes, Tyson, Neal-Bullen/Stretch (Sub for Viney if injured)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 09, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
I did have a chuckle at this post from Demonland;

Quote
Selection criteria:
Are you fit?
Are you quick?
Can you tackle and chase?
Is your name anything other than Rohan Bail or Matt Jones?

If you answered yes to the above 4 questions then you can get a game on a half forward flank for Melbourne.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 09, 2015, 11:22:41 AM
You guys could be right. It's hard to see the ruckman when they've got their backs to you half the time so it's very possible I am wrong about his tap work
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 09, 2015, 12:25:59 PM
From what I am reading it looks like it is just a corkie for Viney which is good news.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 09, 2015, 12:32:26 PM
I did have a chuckle at this post from Demonland;

Quote
Selection criteria:
Are you fit?
Are you quick?
Can you tackle and chase?
Is your name anything other than Rohan Bail or Matt Jones?

If you answered yes to the above 4 questions then you can get a game on a half forward flank for Melbourne.

Lol

From what I am reading it looks like it is just a corkie for Viney which is good news.

Good news.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Nige on June 09, 2015, 12:35:16 PM
Fitzy seems to be doing well in his new role as a defender... apart from the tunnel-ball incident.

Are you guys happy with how he's doing?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 09, 2015, 12:38:01 PM
Fitzy seems to be doing well in his new role as a defender... apart from the tunnel-ball incident.

Are you guys happy with how he's doing?

He had a bad game against Port, but apart from that and the tunnel ball, yeah I've been pleasantly surprised about him this year. I'd be willing to give him another 1-2 year contract.



Also, Brayshaw rising star nomination! How good was he?!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Toga on June 09, 2015, 01:50:58 PM
I thought Gawn played well against Grundy! Similar to Sandilands, his height will always be a huge advantage for HO's. But similar to Sandi, I think he was easily outplayed around the ground.

Brayshaw very deserving of a RS nomination at last :)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 09, 2015, 04:12:59 PM
Brayshaw is going to be a beast. His kick after 3 huge efforts to Fitzy I think it was into the 50 above Pendles head was a genius decision.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 09, 2015, 05:10:32 PM
Brayshaw is going to be a beast. His kick after 3 huge efforts to Fitzy I think it was into the 50 above Pendles head was a genius decision.

He is amazing. Whenever he gets the ball it's just like the game slows down for him. And when he makes mistakes he sticks the tackle almost immediately and makes sure we break even on it
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 09, 2015, 07:43:33 PM
He is such a good tackler too! I think that's an underrated skill in the AFL. They just seem to stick.

Was almost tempted to switch my Hogan pic to Gus, just for this week, but then I looked in Jesse's eyes...
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: My Chumps on June 09, 2015, 08:59:01 PM
Yep, Brayshaw and Hogan have certainly dodged the Watts/Toumpas bullet.

Speaking of, Toumpas looked alright on Monday
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 09, 2015, 09:07:35 PM
Yep, Brayshaw and Hogan have certainly dodged the Watts/Toumpas bullet.

Speaking of, Toumpas looked alright on Monday

I thought he did alright too. Has been improving steadily over the past few weeks which is good to see. Makes some errors which can be frustrating but he is moving in the right direction. I think he learns a lot more at AFL level so he should stay there for now

I do know purps gets frustrated with him but even so, I'd much rather him in the side than M. Jones/Bail/Mckenzie etc, who would likely be the ones taking his spot
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 09, 2015, 09:13:32 PM
Yep, Brayshaw and Hogan have certainly dodged the Watts/Toumpas bullet.

Speaking of, Toumpas looked alright on Monday

When he is not on your WXVs list, take another look at his game  :P

I'd much rather him in the side than M. Jones/Bail/Mckenzie etc, who would likely be the ones taking his spot

I do too. But I can't help but notice you named our worst 3 players on our list  :-X

Well, aside from Terlich I guess.

This will be an interesting journey of debate along his career I feel between us Mac  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 09, 2015, 09:28:10 PM
Yep, Brayshaw and Hogan have certainly dodged the Watts/Toumpas bullet.

Speaking of, Toumpas looked alright on Monday

When he is not on your WXVs list, take another look at his game  :P

I'd much rather him in the side than M. Jones/Bail/Mckenzie etc, who would likely be the ones taking his spot

I do too. But I can't help but notice you named our worst 3 players on our list  :-X

Well, aside from Terlich I guess.

This will be an interesting journey of debate along his career I feel between us Mac  :P

Haha - Who else is fit and able to come into the side though? I am assuming Tyson is already in for VandenBerg and ANB is ahead of M. Jones

On that note - ANB for his debut this week?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: My Chumps on June 10, 2015, 12:10:15 AM
Surely he's better than Riley too. Was thoroughly unimpressed by him on the weekend.

Yep, Brayshaw and Hogan have certainly dodged the Watts/Toumpas bullet.

Speaking of, Toumpas looked alright on Monday

When he is not on your WXVs list, take another look at his game  :P

I really thought he showed a bit :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 10, 2015, 08:28:05 AM
I'd be keen for an ANB debut this week for sure; gotta keep the rising star nomination streak going haha

I've liked what Harmes is doing in the VFL too. As a pressure-forward, would much prefer him over Bail.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 10, 2015, 08:57:31 AM
God it would be nice to have Frost, Kent and Salem back with us now. What a difference that would make. They probably sound like nobody's to everyone else out there, but to Melbourne supporters they are very team lifting in the way they do things.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 10, 2015, 08:58:36 AM
Surely he's better than Riley too. Was thoroughly unimpressed by him on the weekend.

I have been unimpressed with Riley and Michie to be honest.  :-X
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: elephants on June 10, 2015, 11:40:40 AM
Haha we need a tissue box in here with all the talk about Brayshaw!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 10, 2015, 12:54:46 PM
Haha we need a tissue box in here with all the talk about Brayshaw!

Haha I think you and Rico used them all when you were talking about Tom Mitchell

God it would be nice to have Frost, Kent and Salem back with us now. What a difference that would make. They probably sound like nobody's to everyone else out there, but to Melbourne supporters they are very team lifting in the way they do things.

We lack pace so much it's ridiculous

Frost and Kent alone would make a massive difference
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 10, 2015, 02:54:28 PM
Haha we need a tissue box in here with all the talk about Brayshaw!

Hand some tissues this way thanks.   ;D
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on June 10, 2015, 03:17:40 PM
why waste any - it's great for your skin
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: elephants on June 10, 2015, 03:20:59 PM
why waste any - it's great for your skin

Everyone says this, is it legit? hahaha
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: My Chumps on June 10, 2015, 03:28:25 PM
Also, bit of a stretch here it's pretty interesting to think:

- you guys lost Scully to GWS and got pick 4 as compensation
- picked up Toumpas with pick 4
- the same draft you traded pick 3 for Hogan; would you have traded your only first rounder for a 17 year old if you didn't also have pick 4? Easy to say in retrospect but would've copped some criticism for the next season/two.
- Lachie Plowman was taken with pick 3

so basically you gave up Plowman + Scully for Hogan + Toumpas, and it was all triggered by Scully leaving.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on June 10, 2015, 03:29:06 PM
why waste any - it's great for your skin

Everyone says this, is it legit? hahaha

all my ex girlfriends have immaculate skin, coincidence? I think not

nah I got no idea man :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 10, 2015, 04:12:24 PM
Also, bit of a stretch here it's pretty interesting to think:

- you guys lost Scully to GWS and got pick 4 as compensation
- picked up Toumpas with pick 4
- the same draft you traded pick 3 for Hogan; would you have traded your only first rounder for a 17 year old if you didn't also have pick 4? Easy to say in retrospect but would've copped some criticism for the next season/two.
- Lachie Plowman was taken with pick 3

so basically you gave up Plowman + Scully for Hogan + Toumpas, and it was all triggered by Scully leaving.

Would do 1 million times again
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: JBs-Hawks on June 10, 2015, 04:35:29 PM
Imagine if it was Scully + Plowman for Hogan + Wines :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 10, 2015, 04:42:09 PM
Imagine if it was Scully + Plowman for Hogan + Wines :P

God, DAMN IT flower YOU TOUMPAS!

*deep breath*

Yeah I've always associated Scully with Hogan, hindsight says that's was a great move by us  :)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 10, 2015, 06:55:53 PM
Salem re injured his hamstring out for 4-6

Garland broke his hand in the first qtr on the weekend but still played on, probably back after the bye

Vanders out for 3-4

Injury list getting worse and worse

We really can't afford to keep going like this - Have nowhere near the depth of other sides
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ringo on June 10, 2015, 06:58:41 PM
Salem re injured his hamstring out for 4-6

Garland broke his hand in the first qtr on the weekend but still played on, probably back after the bye

Vanders out for 3-4

Injury list getting worse and worse

We really can't afford to keep going like this - Have nowhere near the depth of other sides
Not as bad as Brisbanes list of injuries though  :( :(
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 10, 2015, 07:04:33 PM
Salem re injured his hamstring out for 4-6

Garland broke his hand in the first qtr on the weekend but still played on, probably back after the bye

Vanders out for 3-4

Injury list getting worse and worse

We really can't afford to keep going like this - Have nowhere near the depth of other sides
Not as bad as Brisbanes list of injuries though  :( :(

Brissy have been very hard done by too :(

Saints however only have the one player injured...
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 10, 2015, 07:32:19 PM
Devastated about Salem  :'(

Still, on the bright side, we might get a look at ANB. Maybe even Harmes?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: GoLions on June 10, 2015, 07:33:36 PM
Devastated about Salem  :'(

Still, on the bright side, we might get a look at ANB. Maybe even Harmes?
Any chance of Stretch coming back soon?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 10, 2015, 07:36:16 PM
Devastated about Salem  :'(

Still, on the bright side, we might get a look at ANB. Maybe even Harmes?
Any chance of Stretch coming back soon?

In my opinion... no. He was never really ready in the first place. But he has been doing a good job at VFL.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: GoLions on June 10, 2015, 07:50:57 PM
Devastated about Salem  :'(

Still, on the bright side, we might get a look at ANB. Maybe even Harmes?
Any chance of Stretch coming back soon?

In my opinion... no. He was never really ready in the first place. But he has been doing a good job at VFL.
So...2016? :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 10, 2015, 08:22:07 PM
Devastated about Salem  :'(

Still, on the bright side, we might get a look at ANB. Maybe even Harmes?
Any chance of Stretch coming back soon?

In my opinion... no. He was never really ready in the first place. But he has been doing a good job at VFL.
So...2016? :P

Yeah, 2016 :)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 11, 2015, 08:59:37 AM
I think he might get a couple of games this year. Probably no more than the sub though.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 11, 2015, 10:18:41 AM
From what I am reading it looks like Roos doesn't want to play ANB just yet so it may give Stretch some more chances?

Garland is also out for a few. Broke his hand in the first quarter on Monday. Played out the rest of the game though which is good signs I think for him staying.

Also Salem re-injured his hammy. Not good news there.

I'd say for this week;

In: Tyson, Grimes
Out: Garland, vandenBerg
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: T Dog on June 11, 2015, 11:01:33 AM
Whats happening in the Ruck Dept? Is Spencer a likely 1st pick in future?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 11, 2015, 11:14:17 AM
Whats happening in the Ruck Dept? Is Spencer a likely 1st pick in future?

I honestly don't know who is Melbourne's preferred ruck at this stage. It seems Gawn is going to get a go for the next few weeks...

I reckon whoever is playing at the last month of the season for us, will be our number one.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: T Dog on June 11, 2015, 11:23:53 AM
Whats happening in the Ruck Dept? Is Spencer a likely 1st pick in future?

I honestly don't know who is Melbourne's preferred ruck at this stage. It seems Gawn is going to get a go for the next few weeks...

I reckon whoever is playing at the last month of the season for us, will be our number one.

Thanks Purple
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 13, 2015, 04:50:21 PM
Scorps with another close win - this time by 8 points  :)

Max King with a massive 5 goal performance in the seniors after playing Dev. League for the past few weeks

Harmes with 29 disposals so should be in line for a call up soon after a strong game last week as well
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 13, 2015, 06:05:35 PM
Scorps with another close win - this time by 8 points  :)

Max King with a massive 5 goal performance in the seniors after playing Dev. League for the past few weeks

Harmes with 29 disposals so should be in line for a call up soon after a strong game last week as well

That's awesome news about both! Pleasantly surprised about King, but he was way overdue for a Casey senior call-up coz he was simply dominating the development league; it was just that two of Jamar, Spencer and Gawn were keeping him out.

But, to get his opportunity and get 5 goals?! Awesome!

And I love my little Harmsey  :)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 14, 2015, 08:59:00 PM
Going into that match, I felt like it was a turning point this year. Having played terribly for the majority of the match... I say we haven't improved this year.

Sure, on the day, we might look a little better than last year.

But in the end, we're 3-8, and looking at another bottom 4 finish.

That is not improvement, or rather that's not good enough.

I can't stress how important this match was to me in terms of my general view of Melbourne. I won't go on coz we've all heard it repeatedly in the past 8 years, but please know that my respect, pride, expectations and outlook on Melbourne has DRASTICALLY changed.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on June 14, 2015, 10:53:56 PM
you guys have improved the games are much closer this year then last year

least your not expecting to lose by 100 points every week

look at it like GWS

they went through phases

getting smashed every week
still losing but not getting smashed every week and some upset wins
now very competitive
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 16, 2015, 12:06:42 PM
VFL Update: Casey v Coburg

Casey Scorpions 6.0.36 8.4.52 10.8.68 14.13.97

Coburg Lions
3.0.18 6.2.38 11.3.69 14.5.89

Rohan Bail 1 goal 1 behind 34 disposals 26 kicks 8 handballs 14 marks 7 tackles 173 dream team points
Chris Dawes 1 goal 10 disposals 5 kicks 5 handballs 3 marks 4 tackles 57 dream team points
James Harmes 1 behind 31 disposals 15 kicks 16 handballs 5 tackles 101 dream team points
Mark Jamar 2 behinds 17 disposals 14 kicks 3 handballs 7 marks 2 tackles 29 hit outs 96 dream team points
Matt Jones 1 behind 36 disposals 20 kicks 16 handballs 13 marks 7 tackles 157 dream team points
Max King 5 goals 9 disposals 7 kicks 2 handballs 4 marks 6 tackles 91 dream team points
Oscar McDonald 1 behind 18 disposals 13 kicks 5 handballs 10 marks 81 dream team points
Jordie McKenzie 1 goal 10 disposals 7 kicks 3 handballs 5 marks 48 dream team points
Ben Newton 1 goal 10 disposals 7 kicks 3 handballs 3 marks 4 tackles 56 dream team points
Jake Spencer 2 goals 1 behind 15 disposals 8 kicks 7 handballs 6 marks 4 tackles 31 hit outs 113 dream team points
Mitch White 15 disposals 12 kicks 3 handballs 8 marks 1 tackle 71 dream team points

Good first hitout for King up from the Development League. Hows those DT points for Bail and Jones though!?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 16, 2015, 04:29:54 PM
Very much appreciate those stats :)

With Pedo bear out, I guess that means Dawes comes in  :( it looks like he had a pretty ordinary match.

Or, Spencer could come back in, and Gawn is played forward? Even though I don't want him to play forward, I more keen for Dawes to be left out
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 16, 2015, 04:30:25 PM
And go Harmes!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on June 16, 2015, 04:42:30 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-16/pedersen-grimes-join-melbournes-growing-injury-list-?utm_medium=RSS

Pedo out for the year, Grimes 6-8 weeks and Newton concussed in the VFL


Reckon ANB could get another game this weekend boys? Would be flowering handy if he did
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 16, 2015, 04:45:17 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-16/pedersen-grimes-join-melbournes-growing-injury-list-?utm_medium=RSS

Pedo out for the year, Grimes 6-8 weeks and Newton concussed in the VFL


Reckon ANB could get another game this weekend boys? Would be flowering handy if he did

Yeah I reckon he probably will probably ric, especially now.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 16, 2015, 04:59:49 PM
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-06-16/pedersen-grimes-join-melbournes-growing-injury-list-?utm_medium=RSS

Pedo out for the year, Grimes 6-8 weeks and Newton concussed in the VFL


Reckon ANB could get another game this weekend boys? Would be flowering handy if he did

Yeah I reckon he probably will probably ric, especially now.

Yeh I figured he would get another game anyway, Michie to go first imo

Injury news is disappointing though, especially for Hunt who will only have 5 or so weeks at the end of the year to prove his worth before being delisted

Howe definitely moves to defence now though, perhaps Harmes to make a debut in that half-forward role?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 16, 2015, 05:03:28 PM
Yeah, injury list filling up  :-[

(http://i.imgur.com/iOK7Wr2.png)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: GoLions on June 16, 2015, 05:11:43 PM
Pls

(http://i.gyazo.com/1f2ff10900173a3bc61ae2d4643ae3d4.png)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 16, 2015, 05:15:21 PM
I said "filling up", not "full".

 :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: GoLions on June 16, 2015, 05:23:45 PM
I said "filling up", not "full".

 :P
haha fair enough :P

Also :'(
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: roo boys! on June 16, 2015, 07:02:14 PM
Pedo's chances of getting a contract renewal at the end of the season boys? It seems such a waste to lose your best key forward due to injury, I'm assuming the Dees will want to keep him around until that Hogan guy finds his feet?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on June 16, 2015, 07:04:12 PM
Pedo's chances of getting a contract renewal at the end of the season boys? It seems such a waste to lose your best key forward due to injury, I'm assuming the Dees will want to keep him around until that Hogan guy finds his feet?

will get drafted by someone if they don't keep him anyway
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 16, 2015, 07:13:06 PM
Pedo's chances of getting a contract renewal at the end of the season boys? It seems such a waste to lose your best key forward due to injury, I'm assuming the Dees will want to keep him around until that Hogan guy finds his feet?

Didn't even realise he was out of contract

He will get a renewal though, has easily been better than Dawes this year - Would be good if Hogan could show something in the meantime though
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 16, 2015, 07:25:49 PM
Pedo's chances of getting a contract renewal at the end of the season boys? It seems such a waste to lose your best key forward due to injury, I'm assuming the Dees will want to keep him around until that Hogan guy finds his feet?

Didn't even realise he was out of contract

He will get a renewal though, has easily been better than Dawes this year - Would be good if Hogan could show something in the meantime though

I reckon a 1 year, maybe 2 year contract is coming his way.

That Hogan though  :-\ needs to work on his... on his...

...

...

hmm.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on June 16, 2015, 07:35:36 PM
Pedo's chances of getting a contract renewal at the end of the season boys? It seems such a waste to lose your best key forward due to injury, I'm assuming the Dees will want to keep him around until that Hogan guy finds his feet?

Didn't even realise he was out of contract

He will get a renewal though, has easily been better than Dawes this year - Would be good if Hogan could show something in the meantime though

WHAT? he just had a 5 goal bag man
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 16, 2015, 07:43:13 PM
Pedo's chances of getting a contract renewal at the end of the season boys? It seems such a waste to lose your best key forward due to injury, I'm assuming the Dees will want to keep him around until that Hogan guy finds his feet?

Didn't even realise he was out of contract

He will get a renewal though, has easily been better than Dawes this year - Would be good if Hogan could show something in the meantime though

WHAT? he just had a 5 goal bag man

kb....
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on June 16, 2015, 07:53:04 PM
Pedo's chances of getting a contract renewal at the end of the season boys? It seems such a waste to lose your best key forward due to injury, I'm assuming the Dees will want to keep him around until that Hogan guy finds his feet?

Didn't even realise he was out of contract

He will get a renewal though, has easily been better than Dawes this year - Would be good if Hogan could show something in the meantime though

WHAT? he just had a 5 goal bag man

kb....

bm.....
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on June 16, 2015, 07:55:07 PM
Pedo's chances of getting a contract renewal at the end of the season boys? It seems such a waste to lose your best key forward due to injury, I'm assuming the Dees will want to keep him around until that Hogan guy finds his feet?

Didn't even realise he was out of contract

He will get a renewal though, has easily been better than Dawes this year - Would be good if Hogan could show something in the meantime though

WHAT? he just had a 5 goal bag man

kb....

bm.....

kb......
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on June 16, 2015, 08:02:17 PM
Pedo's chances of getting a contract renewal at the end of the season boys? It seems such a waste to lose your best key forward due to injury, I'm assuming the Dees will want to keep him around until that Hogan guy finds his feet?

Didn't even realise he was out of contract

He will get a renewal though, has easily been better than Dawes this year - Would be good if Hogan could show something in the meantime though

WHAT? he just had a 5 goal bag man

kb....

bm.....

kb......

bm.................
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 16, 2015, 08:20:22 PM
He was obviously being sarcastic.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on June 16, 2015, 08:25:30 PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-sbFhOeqTzY
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on June 16, 2015, 08:28:18 PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-sbFhOeqTzY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nabNdHO6lYk
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Bill Manspeaker on June 16, 2015, 08:34:15 PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-sbFhOeqTzY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nabNdHO6lYk

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UeS-Xb5u4-U
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 17, 2015, 07:22:47 PM
Read an article maybe a week or two ago about Tom Boyd's progress, where it compared the amount of goals he has kicked to previous forward greats at the same stage of their careers.

Quote
Jarryd Roughead kicked seven goals in his first 19 games. Josh Kennedy kicked nine in his first 19. Nick Riewoldt? 12. Travis Cloke? 13. Matthew Pavlich? 16. Barry Hall? 16.

Tom Boyd has 19 goals from his first 19 games. That’s equal with a certain Lance Franklin, and six behind the man he was compared to in the draft process, Tom Hawkins.

Obviously Hogan's 5 goal haul has provoked me to bring this up, but if the above is anything to go by... and you consider Hogan's 22 goals in his first 10 games...

Then, well, I might just change sexual preferences for him...  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Grazz on June 17, 2015, 07:59:28 PM
Read an article maybe a week or two ago about Tom Boyd's progress, where it compared the amount of goals he has kicked to previous forward greats at the same stage of their careers.

Quote
Jarryd Roughead kicked seven goals in his first 19 games. Josh Kennedy kicked nine in his first 19. Nick Riewoldt? 12. Travis Cloke? 13. Matthew Pavlich? 16. Barry Hall? 16.

Tom Boyd has 19 goals from his first 19 games. That’s equal with a certain Lance Franklin, and six behind the man he was compared to in the draft process, Tom Hawkins.

Obviously Hogan's 5 goal haul has provoked me to bring this up, but if the above is anything to go by... and you consider Hogan's 22 goals in his first 10 games...

Then, well, I might just change sexual preferences for him...  :P

Can we call you Caitlin ?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ziplock on June 17, 2015, 08:05:44 PM
Gender and sexual orientation are two separate things grazz.

Got to remember it's about size and development as well for a key forward- Franklin only weighed 84kg when he was drafted, and made his debut that year... he didn't have the year in the gym + the mini draft pick development behind him. Hogan doesn't have the issue that a lot of key forwards do at their early careers in being still physically immature.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Grazz on June 17, 2015, 08:08:47 PM
Yep.  :-[
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 17, 2015, 08:25:53 PM
Gender and sexual orientation are two separate things grazz.

Got to remember it's about size and development as well for a key forward- Franklin only weighed 84kg when he was drafted, and made his debut that year... he didn't have the year in the gym + the mini draft pick development behind him. Hogan doesn't have the issue that a lot of key forwards do at their early careers in being still physically immature.

Not really sure what you're trying to say, but it's clear Hogan is an exciting talent and he can only get better from here
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 18, 2015, 08:53:55 AM
Yep.  :-[

Haha fail.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Grazz on June 18, 2015, 10:52:30 PM
Yep.  :-[

Haha fail.

(http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n624/Grazz64/smiley-transport030_zpsa72b055a.gif) (http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/Grazz64/media/smiley-transport030_zpsa72b055a.gif.html)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: powersuperkents on June 21, 2015, 05:59:32 PM
Going into that match, I felt like it was a turning point this year. Having played terribly for the majority of the match... I say we haven't improved this year.

Sure, on the day, we might look a little better than last year.

But in the end, we're 3-8, and looking at another bottom 4 finish.

That is not improvement, or rather that's not good enough.

I can't stress how important this match was to me in terms of my general view of Melbourne. I won't go on coz we've all heard it repeatedly in the past 8 years, but please know that my respect, pride, expectations and outlook on Melbourne has DRASTICALLY changed.
...  :P

I think Port Adelaide and Essendon supporters (myself including) should be the ones who are disappointed haha

Fantastic wins by the Demons, Vince was fantastic and Gawn definitely solves the long-term ruck problems for the club - I think he will be the next Sandilands (Witts is uncoordinated negating his 1cm advantage over Gawn)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 21, 2015, 06:13:11 PM
Going into that match, I felt like it was a turning point this year. Having played terribly for the majority of the match... I say we haven't improved this year.

Sure, on the day, we might look a little better than last year.

But in the end, we're 3-8, and looking at another bottom 4 finish.

That is not improvement, or rather that's not good enough.

I can't stress how important this match was to me in terms of my general view of Melbourne. I won't go on coz we've all heard it repeatedly in the past 8 years, but please know that my respect, pride, expectations and outlook on Melbourne has DRASTICALLY changed.
...  :P

I think Port Adelaide and Essendon supporters (myself including) should be the ones who are disappointed haha

Fantastic wins by the Demons, Vince was fantastic and Gawn definitely solves the long-term ruck problems for the club - I think he will be the next Sandilands (Witts is uncoordinated negating his 1cm advantage over Gawn)

Today was unprecedented. Totally against the odds in EVERY facet you can think of. And was arguably our best win in 9 years.

So of course, the best win in 9 years is gonna make up for last week, and regain the things I lost in that game  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Grazz on June 21, 2015, 06:52:34 PM
Well done Dee's, for all you lot the beers are on me.  ;)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 21, 2015, 06:54:49 PM
Well done Dee's, for all you lot the beers are on me.  ;)

Where do I send the bill too? :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: ossie85 on June 21, 2015, 07:09:28 PM
Clearly right decision getting rid of spud Hogan and replacing him with premiership player Dawes
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 21, 2015, 07:16:53 PM
Clearly right decision getting rid of spud Hogan and replacing him with premiership player Dawes

Omfg, get out  :P

I got the same line from Dad too  ::)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Grazz on June 21, 2015, 07:22:33 PM
Well done Dee's, for all you lot the beers are on me.  ;)

Where do I send the bill too? :P

Send me a PM mate haha.  :P
Enjoy the celebrations if i was a Dee supporter id be chucking a sickie tomorrow.  ;D
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 21, 2015, 07:42:51 PM
Well done Dee's, for all you lot the beers are on me.  ;)

Where do I send the bill too? :P

Send me a PM mate haha.  :P
Enjoy the celebrations if i was a Dee supporter id be chucking a sickie tomorrow.  ;D

Ah, the pleasures of being a uni student whom just finished his last exam ;)

Got nothing for the next two weeks! >:D
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Toga on June 21, 2015, 07:59:13 PM
What a win! Enjoy it lads, that was certainly the best win I can remember watching for the Dees. Stoked for you!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 21, 2015, 08:46:09 PM
Still can't believe it
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 23, 2015, 02:56:20 PM
Casey Scorpions 2.5.17 3.6.24 5.10.40 6.12.48

North Ballarat 3.0.18 6.2.38 10.2.62 11.2.68

Jack Fitzpatrick 27 disposals 16 kicks 11 handballs 10 marks 2 tackles 106 dream team points
James Harmes disposals 12 kicks 8 handballs 5 marks 7 tackles 96 dream team points
Mark Jamar 18 disposals 15 kicks 3 handballs 6 marks 4 tackles 54 hit outs 136 dream team points
Jay Kennedy-Harris 2 goals 3 behinds 26 disposals 18 kicks 8 handballs 6 marks 8 tackles 135 dream team points
Max King 1 goal disposals 8 kicks 4 handballs 3 marks 4 tackles 11 hit outs 76 dream team points
Viv Michie 1 behind 19 disposals 7 kicks 12 handballs 2 marks 7 tackles 72 dream team points
Oscar McDonald 15 disposals 9 kicks 6 handballs 4 marks 49 dream team points
Dean Terlich 14 disposals 9 kicks 5 handballs 4 marks 1 tackle 50 dream team points
Mitch White 14 disposals 9 kicks 5 handballs 4 marks 2 tackles 57 dream team points

Jamar and big Fitzy asking for their spots back.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on June 23, 2015, 03:02:33 PM
JKH with 2.3 and 8 tackles says he worked his ass off
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 23, 2015, 03:11:55 PM
Yeah word was he played in the middle all game, so obviously enjoying that. Would be another Garlett style, dangerous up forward with stints in the middle.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on June 23, 2015, 05:07:29 PM
bad timing for a bye for you guys would rather be playing this week with tons of confidence

they will still be confident next week but not as confident
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 23, 2015, 05:11:30 PM
bad timing for a bye for you guys would rather be playing this week with tons of confidence

they will still be confident next week but not as confident

Yeah, and especially playing at the energy-sapping Darwin too. It would have been good to have the bye following that game instead, but ah well.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Grazz on June 23, 2015, 05:15:13 PM
Reckon they will still be busting to get out there in a couple of weeks. They can legitimately celebrate the win with a few beers and have no affect on their next performance. A few beers after a win like that could be just what the doctor ordered.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 23, 2015, 05:43:26 PM
Hell, I did and I didn't even play!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Grazz on June 23, 2015, 05:56:46 PM
Hell, I did and I didn't even play!

lol i reckon a few would of done the same mate, a very good win. More valuable than just the 4 points that win.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 24, 2015, 08:31:07 AM
Just a random thought for my fellow dee-voted, does Daniel Cross get a contract next year?

I reckon he deserves one, I have a lot of respect and admiration for that guy which grows every week.

More interestingly though, does Jamar? He too is out of contract... I'm not sure he will.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 26, 2015, 06:51:17 AM
I think Crossy can go another year. I'd be happy to offer him another year for sure.

On the Jamar side; Apparently, there was a Demonlander that was talking to a player at training that had been playing VFL recently and they weren't very happy they weren't getting a game. This was about the time Gawn was set to play his first game. Apparently Goodwin is choosing the team each week or well into it, I reckon he is kind of planning for his tenure. So I was thinking it was Jamar but could have been Mckenzie also. So with Spencer and Gawn suddenly coming of age out of nowhere, I would say no. Kind of sad really, I like the big guy but understand he won't be around forever and we will need to get games into these 2 for the future.

Maybe Geelong might pick him up for a year or 2? They are in desperate need of a ruckman even though they have like 5 on their list.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 26, 2015, 08:50:58 AM
Melbourne injury list: round 13 (bye weekend)

Sam Frost (toe) 6 weeks
Colin Garland (hand) test
Jack Grimes (thumb) test
Jesse Hogan (hamstring) test
Jayden Hunt (jaw) test
Dean Kent (hamstring) 4 weeks
Ben Newton (concussion) test
Cameron Pedersen (wrist) season
Christian Petracca (knee) season
Christian Salem (hamstring) 3 weeks
Jack Trengove (foot) season
Aaron vandenBerg (hamstring) 2 weeks

Misson's comments of interest:

* Frost to start running next week!

* Kent in full training next week! Ahead of Vanders and Salem, just needs to get fitness back.

* Petracca has started running fluently.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 26, 2015, 11:03:18 AM
Interesting to hear about that VFL player, and that Goodwin is a big influence in team selection.

So, Frost and Kent start running/training next week, then surely a return date would be shorter than what is posted?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 26, 2015, 11:54:12 AM
I would think so, as stated it'd just be about match fitness I reckon.

Trengove also has scans next week on the foot. Hopefully it is good news. He would be a nice addition to the midfield rotation aswell.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 26, 2015, 02:41:11 PM
Cross one more year, Jamar retires

Not surprised if Jamar was upset, I was still convinced he was our number one ruck while Spencer was being trialled in the role

Should be fine for ruck coverage with Spencer and Gawn, as well as Pedo and Frost both capable of rucking and King being developed as well
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 26, 2015, 03:35:30 PM
I'd like to see Crossy go into some kind of role at the club for the younger kids, something similar to McCartney maybe. He would be a great role model and knows the rigors of day in day out AFL life.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 26, 2015, 03:38:15 PM
I'd like to see Crossy go into some kind of role at the club for the younger kids, something similar to McCartney maybe. He would be a great role model and knows the rigors of day in day out AFL life.

100%

Perhaps in a similar role to Shannon Byrnes?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 26, 2015, 03:43:49 PM
Roosy's Mid Season Player Review;

Rohan Bail: Ro’s had a reasonable year. He’s certainly been very good at VFL level – he’s played some terrific footy with Casey – and played some good roles, when he’s been asked to do them. I think the next level for Ro is to have some real belief in his game, which is starting to happen. I thought his game against Geelong was one of his better ones, so I’m looking forward to him continuing to improve and continuing to get better – no matter where he plays.

Angus Brayshaw: Angus has shown what I saw of him last year at the Sandringham Dragons and I watched him every week. He’s a natural ball-winner and he naturally goes back to the ball. Probably early on, his decision-making and kicking wasn’t great, but I think the last two or three weeks, he’s really started to iron that out and got more composed at senior level. He’s had a very good start to his AFL career.

Daniel Cross: I think Crossy was consistent early in the year, but probably a bit of a turning point for him was going to half-back. He reads the ball so well and he’s really helped out defence. He continues to be a pro and he continues to play really consistent AFL football.

Chris Dawes: Dawesy’s had an up-and-down year. He hasn’t really been able to get going because of his calf. The back end of the year is really important for him and for us as a footy club, because when he’s in there and playing a really important role for us – as you saw in the game at Geelong, which was a good example – he played a really important role. When he does that, we’re a better team.

Lynden Dunn: Dunny’s game against Geelong was the best I’ve seen him play. His balance between defence and attack was exceptional and he played on a really good player in Tom Hawkins. He’s been OK in the first half of the year, but hopefully the Geelong game is a real stepping stone for him to finish off the year, as he started last year, because he showed last year that he can be one of the best defenders in the competition.

Jack Fitzpatrick: Fitzy’s game against the Bulldogs was his highlight of the year. But now it’s really about finding consistency for Fitzy. He’s played some good footy in the VFL, but he’s had some footy, where he’s had some flaws in his game. But it’s really about consistency of performance – on and off the field for Fitzy.

Sam Frost: Frosty showed what he could give us in the pre-season and early in the season. He’s a competitor with really great speed. He’s going to be a natural defender, even though we played him forward/ruck early in the year, but I’m really looking forward to him playing in the back end of the year.

Colin Garland: Col’s been super consistent and arguably our most consistent player. He’s done a role every single week, but unfortunately he broke his hand and missed a couple of games before the bye. He’s a high-quality AFL defender.

Jeff Garlett: Jeff hasn’t been a surprise packet, because we’ve seen what he could do at Carlton, but what he’s done has been exceptional. His ability to come back to the football is what I like. His commitment to the defensive side of the game generates a lot of his offense and helps us as a footy team.

Max Gawn: Maxy, by his own admission, probably struggled early in the season and I must admit we were a little bit worried about his form. I spoke to him a lot about it and then he played a really good, consistent block in the VFL and then it was highlighted by his game against Geelong. Hopefully that potential that we’ve known is there turns into becoming a really consistent performer at AFL level.

Jack Grimes:
Grimesy has been really up-and-down this year, but we’ve had some really good discussions with him. The thing with Jack is that he wants to be a good player and he learns and listens. So it was disappointing that he got injured against St Kilda, because I thought he played one of his best games. The challenge for him is to get back and play some consistent footy.

MORE TO FOLLOW WHEN AVAILABLE
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 26, 2015, 04:29:25 PM
Always love Roosy's insights.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 26, 2015, 04:31:25 PM
"But it’s really about consistency of performance – on and off the field for Fitzy."

Anything in that or am I reading too much into it?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 26, 2015, 04:58:20 PM
I was reading into this from Dawes...

The back end of the year is really important for him and for us as a footy club, because when he’s in there and playing a really important role for us
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 28, 2015, 02:56:57 PM
Kinda wish we had a game this weekend but I'll probably just watch last week's again tonight

I was reading into this from Dawes...

The back end of the year is really important for him and for us as a footy club, because when he’s in there and playing a really important role for us

Yeh I noticed that one, imo he could even get dropped for Jesse this week
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 28, 2015, 03:15:59 PM
Kinda wish we had a game this weekend but I'll probably just watch last week's again tonight

I was reading into this from Dawes...

The back end of the year is really important for him and for us as a footy club, because when he’s in there and playing a really important role for us

Yeh I noticed that one, imo he could even get dropped for Jesse this week

That's the dream!  :P

Dare I say it... Toumpas' past month has made him JUST sneak in behind Dawes as my most frustrating Melbourne player.

But don't get me wrong, the guy still showers me.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: My Chumps on June 28, 2015, 07:45:14 PM
Dare I say it... Toumpas' past month has made him JUST sneak in behind Dawes as my most frustrating Melbourne player.
I knew you'd come around Purps :')
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 29, 2015, 08:52:31 AM
James Harmes: Harmesy is a young player who is really learning. What I really like about James is that he’s starting to really listen and learn and his improvement has been good. He’s starting to understand both sides of the ball – offensively and defensively – but he needs to continue to improve in the back half of the season.

Jesse Hogan: The thing I love about Jesse is his competitiveness and he’s got a great work rate. If you’ve got those two, then you can keep working through games. As a young player does, he goes through lulls in games, but he allows himself to get back into contests, because he works so hard and he’s such a good competitor.

Jeremy Howe: Howey has been a little bit up-and-down, but when he’s on and when his commitment to the defensive side of the game is on – as we saw with his game against Geelong – he’s a very good player. I genuinely said to him after that game against Geelong that it was the best game of footy I’ve seen of a player without touching the ball in the first half. That was because he was involved in the game. He was chasing and tackling, and was bringing the ball to ground. When he does that, he’s a very good player.

Jayden Hunt: Hunty has had quite a few injuries to deal with in the first half of the season and really all we’re looking from him at the moment is to get on the park consistently. We really want him to listen to the coaches and use his speed, when he plays. He needs to use that because that’s his greatest asset – and he needs to get back to playing some consistent football.

Mark Jamar: Mark probably wasn’t out of form, when he got dropped. It was really that the other ruckmen were playing so well. The good thing with Mark is that he’s responding well at VFL level. We still think he’s got a role to play with the footy club and he just needs to play really good football and force his way back into the team.

Neville Jetta: Nev unfortunately missed that month with concussion. I think we’ve seen how much we’ve missed him. He’s one of the best small defenders now in the competition. He’s hard and tough, and we’re probably seeing him in the past couple of weeks getting back to some fantastic form.

Matt Jones: With Matty, it’s more that other guys have really stepped up, which has meant he’s played more in the VFL this year. He’s still playing good footy at VFL level and he’s playing pretty good footy when he gets a chance at AFL level. He just needs to continue to work on his game and continue to improve, and not let other guys go past him, because he does show he has some real AFL qualities.

Nathan Jones: Nathan is a great student of the game. He was probably disappointed with some of his games early in the season, but I think his past three games have been as good as I’ve seen him play. His commitment now to two-way running, running hard to pick up his man and running hard offensively is as good as I’ve seen him play.

Jay Kennedy-Harris: Jay started off the year pretty positively. We saw what we could get with him, with his speed and endurance, and when he gets up the ground and then gets back. He then had a groin injury, so now it’s about getting him back, and hopefully playing some good VFL footy and then getting him back in the senior team.

Dean Kent: Dean was another one we felt started the season really well. He showed his speed and kicked some really critical goals. He made some really good tackles to set the scene against Richmond early in the season, and then got injured in that game. He’s been out for a fair while, but we’re looking forward to getting him back later in the season.

Max King: Maxy has been slow to develop, but to his credit his last five or six weeks have been good. I’ve watched him play a number of times in the Development League and you could see the real talent that he had. Then he kicked five goals in his first VFL game for the season. He just needs to keep being consistent – on and off the field.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 29, 2015, 05:15:07 PM
Heritier Lumumba: ‘H’ has been terrific. He’s really settled over the past month. By necessity we’ve had to put him back and play him off a half-back flank, but he’s been terrific in the past month. He gives us some real speed and drive, and we just love his energy around the footy club. He’s really committed to the club and committed to his teammates.

Oscar McDonald: Oscar is developing nicely. He started in the Development League and is now playing VFL. He’s now starting to understand what AFL footy looks like – if you’re in defence, you’ve got to play on a man and not just stand in an area. He’s got some AFL tools. He’s big, got good agility, endurance and speed, so he’s developing well.

Tom McDonald:
Tom was exceptional in the first six or seven weeks, but has been a little bit more inconsistent over the last four or five weeks. But I’m really looking forward to him having a break – because he’s been a warrior for us in the first half of the season – and then coming back and playing the rest of the season in some really good form, like he was earlier in the year.

Jordie McKenzie: Jordie’s been a really consistent VFL player. We know when he gets his chance what he can do. A few of the things we’re working on with him are a bit better ball use and capitalising on those possessions. We want him to do that at VFL level, so if he does get the opportunity at AFL level, we know that he’ll be able to use the ball better.

Viv Michie: Viv has been a little bit inconsistent and he’s still learning our system. He’s taken a little bit longer than what he and I would’ve hoped. As long as he’s working really hard and continuing to improve – he dominates VFL – his challenge is to get up and play really good AFL footy.

Alex Neal-Bullen:
We’ve seen him in the past couple of weeks at AFL level. What the development coaches liked about him was his clean hands and he’s ferocious at the ball. We’ve seen he’s a bit of a goalsneak as well, so you couldn’t ask for much more from a kid, who didn’t have a full pre-season and hurt his knee a couple of times during that period.

Ben Newton: Benny is really our system and learning what we expect. He’s showed he can play some good AFL football and he kicked some real critical goals at times earlier in the season. He’s just got to get confidence in himself and in a new system. We think he can play at AFL level, but it’s about getting that consistency.

Cameron Pedersen:
Pedo’s season has finished, due to injury, which is really disappointing. He played a couple of important games and really good games, but unfortunately we’re not going to see him for the rest of the year.

Christian Petracca: Track’s been terrific around the club and we’ve seen what he could do in the pre-season. It’s always tough when you’re a young kid not playing, but he’s a ball of energy and the players love him. He’s just got to knuckle down on his rehab and make sure he doesn’t waste the year, and really come back a much better and smarter player. He’s doing some forward scouting for us and learning the game as well. 

Aidan Riley: Aidan’s played a couple of handy roles. His deficiencies are that he’s really got to work hard on his endurance and two-way running. He plays well at VFL level, but to develop into a consistent AFL player, he’s got to work hard on both sides of the game – offensively and defensively.

Christian Salem: Christian was terrific early in the season and a real shining light off half-back. His ability to defend was really good and his ability to tackle and come back to the ball was terrific, but unfortunately he got injured and hopefully he’ll be back soon.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 29, 2015, 06:15:25 PM
Trying to decipher any hidden messages in these reviews...

Picking up on any?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 29, 2015, 06:16:30 PM
Trying to decipher any hidden messages in these reviews...

Picking up on any?

How long have Viv, Mckenzie and Riley got on their contracts?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 29, 2015, 06:17:19 PM
Trying to decipher any hidden messages in these reviews...

Picking up on any?

How long have Viv, Mckenzie and Riley got on their contracts?

Hehe.  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 30, 2015, 08:46:04 AM
This is what I took from that;

Nothing to say that Pedo's in trouble. Likely he will get another contract.

It looks like Newton isn't doing everything that the coaches ask.

Mckenzie and Jamar won't get another game, unless forced.

Riley has a lot to learn.

JKH is in the future team.

MJones is just depth.

He's happy with the yound kids in Harmes, King and Oscar.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 30, 2015, 09:25:11 AM
CONTRACTS;

2019
Jones 27,
 
2018
Brayshaw 19, Petracca 19,
 
2017
Dunn 27, Hogan 20, Viney 20, Lumumba 28, Kennedy-Harris20, Salem 19,

2016

Trengove 22, Dawes 26, Grimes 25 (RFA), Watts 24 (RFA), Michie* 23, Vince 29, Tyson* 21, Kent 21, M Jones 27, Spencer 25 (UFA), T McDonald 22, Terlich 25, Jetta 25, Garlett 25, Stretch 18, Frost 21, Newton 22, Neal-Bullen 19, O McDonald 19
 
2015
Jamar 31 (UFA), Garland 26 (RFA), McKenzie 24, Howe 24, Gawn 23, Fitzpatrick 23, Toumpas 21, Pedersen 28, Hunt 19, Cross 32, Bail 26, Riley 23, Harmes  ® 19, King ® 19, Vandenberg ® 23, White ® 18
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 30, 2015, 10:03:54 AM
Jake Spencer: Jake’s almost our most improved player. He’s been terrific in what he’s been able to do. He’s worked extremely hard on his game and we’ve seen him play some really good AFL footy this year. As long as he continues to improve, with him, Max Gawn and Russian (Mark Jamar), you end up with three good ruckmen.

Billy Stretch: Billy’s a really, really nice, compact player. He’s a great listener and understands the game really well. His listens to the coaches really well and we’ve seen him play some good footy at AFL level already.

Dean Terlich:
Dean’s probably been really inconsistent with his performance. One thing he needs to do is become really consistent at VFL level and knock the door down. He needs to have high quality performances at VFL level week in, week out. We know he can play AFL footy, because we’ve seen it, but he really needs to get back to playing the way we want him to play.

Jimmy Toumpas: I think Jimmy has made some real improvement, particularly over the past month. His games against the Bulldogs, Collingwood and St Kilda were really good. He really works hard on his game. Jimmy loves his footy and we’re starting to see some real improvement in his game.

Jack Trengove: I can’t speak highly enough of Jack. His investment in the footy club for someone that’s been injured for nearly a year and a half is exceptional. He’s just a high quality individual that you love having around your club.

Dom Tyson: Dom’s probably started off a little bit slow, but he’s really starting to show some good signs. I thought his game against Geelong was really positive and his commitment now to defence is really good. He’s getting in and making some tackles – and we saw his outstanding kick to Billy Stretch against Geelong – so I’m really looking forward to his second half of the season. I think he’s going to have a very, very good back half to the year.

Aaron vandenBerg: Vanders came as a mature-age recruit and none of us knew much about him, other that he could find the ball at NEAFL level. He’s big and strong, and a real contributor and he had a significant impact on the team in the first half of the season.

Bernie Vince: Bernie’s elevated his game. He’s been exceptional in the last month. His ability to play on really good players and shut them down, and get the ball himself, has been fantastic. I haven’t spoken to him about it, but I suspect it’s as good as he’s played in whole career.

Jack Viney: Unfortunately Jack missed a lot of weeks with his leg injury, but he showed against Geelong how much we’ve missed him. His game on Joel Selwood was fantastic. His ability to win a contest, beat an opponent and play on a good opponent – and still attract and win the ball has been very good. I’m really looking forward to the final 10 games for Jack.

Jack Watts: I think Wattsy has just had his best three matches of AFL football in a row. He’s really starting to get back to the contest and he’s worked hard on his game with Simon Goodwin and Brendan McCartney. But it’s been the best three weeks I’ve seen him play back-to-back-to-back. He’s using his speed now, when he’s got the ball in his hands, so I’m looking forward to seeing him play the final 10 games of the season.

Mitch White: Mitch is a developing young player. The coaches have been really happy with him. He’s starting to really listen and starting to play on his man off half-back, and he’s starting to really impact contests and starting to play the way we want him to play.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 30, 2015, 10:07:38 AM
Great stuff barra, was wondering about our contracts.

From those that are out of contract this year:

Want to keep
Colin Garland
Daniel Cross
Max Gawn
Aaron Vandenberg
Jeremy Howe - just.

Neutral about ya
Mark Jamar
Jack Fitzpatrick
Jimmy "look at me! I've shown something!" Toumpas
Cam Pedersen (age was a factor, otherwise in the category above)
Jayden Hunt (keep hearing he has rare natural speed... I suspect another Sam Blease though)
Max King
James Harmes
Matt White

Want out
Jordie McKenzie
Rohan Bail
Aidan Riley (a bit harsh, but why have both of Michie and Riley?)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 30, 2015, 10:12:25 AM
Wow, bit surprised about Roos on Spencer. Seems like Pencil is in the good books! Roos seems to like our young, first-to-second year players too. Probably coz we acquired them in his tenure. Was also glad to hear his praise on Jack Trengove, which suggests his AFL career perhaps isn't over yet.

But yeah, Terlich is just gone. I still CANNOT believe he got a two year contract last year, amazing.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on June 30, 2015, 10:13:45 AM
1 thing to remember though is that we do need some depth so the ones I'd like to hold onto from your neutral ones would be;

Fitzpatrick
Toumpas
Pedersen

The rookies, well they are rookies. I'm happy for them to stay. Agree with the rest though.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on June 30, 2015, 10:26:42 AM
Seems like they are willing to persist with Hunt, just a gut feel

Apparently McCartney really thinks White could be a player

I really do like Riley and think he would be a great bloke, but a team can only play so many slow inside mids - I can't see us hanging on to him

What do we think about our changes for this week?

Gawn can only play 75-80% ruck time, and the rest of the time he is too tired to even compete around the ground. We will get destroyed if we have to have Dawes in a centre bounce against NicNat. I honestly reckon we have to keep Spencer in the side this week, and if we want to bring in Hogan and Garland, a tall needs to come out. Sorry Dawes
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on June 30, 2015, 04:39:56 PM
Yeah... "sorry" Dawes  :P

I tend to agree! Naitanui is certainly a handful and Sinclair is handy back-up. I reckon Gawn & Spencer should both play. Garland and Hulk are automatic selections, so it really does look like Dawes will make way.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 01, 2015, 02:58:53 PM
Misson injury interview:
- Newton, Garland & Hogan available.  (Hogan was ok just being conservative with back and hamstring tightness)
- Kent 3 weeks, starts training next week
- Vand 2 weeks, did fast running yesterday
- Salem 3 weeks, they are being cautious with him
- Frost 6 weeks, first run tomorrow. Bursting to get back
- Trengove has next scan July 24 which will determine if he can run
- Petracca. been running for a week, no sign of a limp.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on July 04, 2015, 06:04:10 PM
any word on Lumumba's foot how bad it is like only a week or 2 or serious?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 04, 2015, 06:26:49 PM
any word on Lumumba's foot how bad it is like only a week or 2 or serious?

Just precautionary
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 04, 2015, 06:35:00 PM
Casey had a massive win over Geelong today in the VFL, storming home by 48 points.

Hunt with 3 goals, Newton with 2, Jamar and Mckenzie one each 

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 04, 2015, 06:35:57 PM
Go Hunt!

Little disappointed King didn't bag any.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: kilbluff1985 on July 04, 2015, 06:37:29 PM
any word on Lumumba's foot how bad it is like only a week or 2 or serious?

Just precautionary

cheers
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 05, 2015, 02:05:35 PM
Essendon are going to be fired up next week
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 05, 2015, 04:05:46 PM
Essendon are going to be fired up next week

Yeah  :(
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: ossie85 on July 05, 2015, 04:08:29 PM

Dees should be fired up also, why wouldn't they be?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 05, 2015, 07:05:53 PM

Dees should be fired up also, why wouldn't they be?

We never win the games we're supposed to
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 05, 2015, 08:27:14 PM

Dees should be fired up also, why wouldn't they be?

We never win the games we're supposed to

Exactly. We usually play particularly awful in those sort of matches.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 05, 2015, 10:14:06 PM
Brayshaw tweeted that he reckons he'll be fine for next week  :D
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 07, 2015, 09:36:37 AM
On Jack Trengove;

Quote
I was talking to a close family member of Jack's yesterday. She told me that he is fighting fit, has put his heart and soul into rehab and whilst he might be ready to come back before the season's end, he will definitely be ready to go round one 2016.

Quote
She also said Jack desperately wants to be a one team player and bleeds red and blue. He has a lovely girlfriend in Melbourne so hopefully will not be going anywhere except with us. She said he is pedantic about his diet, exercise, rehab and is in the right head space to make a fantastic come back round one 2016.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 07, 2015, 09:39:29 AM
Casey Scorpions 5.3.33 8.3.51 11.6.72 14.9.93

Geelong Cats 0.2.2 4.5.29 5.7.37 6.9.45

Jack Fitzpatrick 17 disposals 9 kicks 8 hand passes 8 marks 6 tackles 1 hit out 89 dream team points
James Harmes 1 behind 29 disposals 13 kicks 16 hand passes 6 marks 11 tackles 135 dream team points
Jayden Hunt 3 goals 1 behind 12 disposals 9 kicks 3 hand passes 6 marks 1 tackle 74 dream team points
Mark Jamar 1 goal 13 disposals 11 kicks 2 hand passes 4 marks 2 tackles 38 hit outs 96 dream team points
Max King 3 behinds 11 disposals 9 kicks 2 hand passes 3 marks 6 tackles 12 hit outs 76 dream team points
Oscar McDonald 9 disposals 7 kicks 2 hand passes 2 marks 31 dream team points
Jordie McKenzie 1 goal 28 disposals 14 kicks 14 hand passes 3 marks 9 tackles 120 dream team points
Viv Michie 26 disposals 20 kicks 6 hand passes 5 marks 4 tackles 104 dream team points
Ben Newton 2 goals 1 behind 18 disposals 10 kicks 8 hand passes 1 mark 8 tackles 95 dream team points
Dean Terlich 19 disposals 11 kicks 8 hand passes 2 marks 4 tackles 69 dream team points
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 07, 2015, 10:33:49 AM
I've kind of wanted it for a while now but I think it's time

Get Harmes out there!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 07, 2015, 10:59:46 AM
GO HARMSEY!

And fantastic to hear about Trenners, he's always had a place in my heart
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 07, 2015, 05:50:55 PM
Melbourne injury list: round 15

Angus Brayshaw (neck) – test
Sam Frost (toe) – 5 weeks
Jack Grimes (thumb) – test
Dean Kent (hamstring) – 2 weeks
Heritier Lumumba (toe) – test
Cameron Pedersen (wrist) – season
Christian Petracca (knee) – season
Christian Salem (hamstring) – 3 weeks
Jack Trengove (foot) – season
Aaron vandenBerg (hamstring) – test
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 07, 2015, 05:55:33 PM
Vandenberg!

Surprisingly an important player for us.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 07, 2015, 08:01:55 PM
Frost out to 5 weeks is disappointing

We might not get to see him again this year  :(
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 08, 2015, 12:16:23 PM
I'm curious as to what your best 22 would look like? We have seen a lot of different players this year. So without any injuries, who would have take to the field this weekend? It is actually harder than you think...

I came up with;

B: Neville Jetta, Tom McDonald, Colin Garland
HB: Daniel Cross, Lynden Dunn, Heritier Lumumba
C: Dom Tyson, Jack Viney, Jack Watts
HF: Jeff Garlett, Cam Pedersen, Dean Kent
F: Jeremy Howe, Jesse Hogan, Jay Kennedy-Harris,
FOLL: Max Gawn, Bernie Vince, Nathan Jones
I/C: Angus Brayshaw, Christian Salem, Jack Trengove, Aaron vandenBerg
EMG: Jack Grimes, Sam Frost, Christian Petracca

I really couldn't split Pedersen and Dawes. I like Grimes and Frost, but are stiff to miss. Petracca could be in there but I haven't seen him yet.

Would love Garlett, Kent and JKH buzzing around the forward line.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 08, 2015, 01:11:55 PM
I think you've nailed it to be honest

Trengove is named twice though - perhaps Petracca should be emergency?

I like Pedersen over Dawes, he can cover Gawn in the ruck which is very important
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 08, 2015, 04:51:41 PM
Fixed. Yeah I did have Frost in there to help out, but I just couldn't fit him in.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 08, 2015, 04:53:45 PM
I actually made my best 22 about 2 weeks ago lol

FB   Dunn, Lynden   McDonald, Tom   Jetta, Neville
HB   Lumumba, Heritier   Garland, Colin   Salem, Christian
C   Tyson, Dom   Vandenberg, Aaron (R)   Vince, Bernie
HF   Watts, Jack   Pedersen, Cameron   Kent, Dean
FF   Garlett, Jeff   Hogan, Jesse   Howe, Jeremy
FOL   Gawn, Max   Jones, Nathan   Viney, Jack
INT   Cross, Daniel   Brayshaw, Angus   Toumpas, Jimmy
SUB   Kennedy-Harris, Jay      
EMG   Grimes, Jack   Dawes, Chris   Spencer, Jake
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 08, 2015, 04:56:42 PM
Only one change between ours. You had Toumpas and I had Trengove, interesting.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 08, 2015, 05:59:57 PM
Only one change between ours. You had Toumpas and I had Trengove, interesting.

Ah, the forgotten man. Still love him, but out of my team due to him simply not playing for a long time.

Saw at Demonland they reckon Trenners could play Cross's role eventually. I tend to agree.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 09, 2015, 10:40:08 AM
Melbourne FC ‏@melbournefc
Paul Roos media conference: James Harmes has been elevated from rookie to senior list
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 09, 2015, 10:50:58 AM
Gus training with the main group so should play this week
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 09, 2015, 11:15:09 AM
With those two up and about, I think it'd be something like;

OUT: Matt Jones, Rohan Bail, Billy Stretch, Jake Spencer
IN: Jack Grimes, James Harmes, Aaron vandenBerg, Heritier Lumumba

JKH could also be an in somewhere this week. Looks like some good ins this week though.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 09, 2015, 12:00:05 PM
Yeah, should be great ins this week.

I'm really looking forward to seeing Vanders back in, and also keen to have a look at Harmsey!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: LF on July 09, 2015, 01:02:12 PM
Nooooooo I need Spencer to play because of Maric being suspended
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 09, 2015, 02:48:15 PM
I think you're out of luck there LF. It is going to be a wet game and it would be going in too tall. Almost certain he will be dropped.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 09, 2015, 04:12:23 PM
Vanders signed up  8)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 09, 2015, 05:03:18 PM
MELBOURNE has signed rookie success story Aaron vandenBerg for two years, tying him to the club until the end of 2017.

The 23-year-old was taken in the NAB AFL Rookie Draft from Canberra-based club Ainslie with the second pick behind St Kilda's Jack Sinclair.

vandenBerg played the first 10 games before suffering a hamstring injury in the Queen's Birthday clash against Collingwood, but is once again available for selection this week.

He told AFL.com.au he has enjoyed every minute so far and was rapt to be able to commit to the Demons.

"It's not every day you get paid to do what you love to do," vandenBerg said.

"The group I am around is a really good group, and I'm pretty excited about where they're heading as well."

He averaged 17.5 disposals and more than five tackles a game, bringing a hard, strong, aggressive presence to the stoppage, his effort particularly significant given he had to overcome a shoulder problem before joining full training.

He admits a full pre-season under his belt will help and says there are plenty of areas in which he can improve as he continues to work on being clean with the footy, making quick early decisions and his skills.

vandenBerg credited former Adelaide player Robert Shirley, who was an assistant at Ainslie after 151 games with the Crows, for simultaneously building in him both a belief that he had the talent to play AFL and that he needed to change his mindset to realise that talent.

After the Demons chose him, recruiting manager Jason Taylor told him to work hard, keep a level head and listen to the coaches before development coach Shannon Byrnes took him around the club.

"I was pretty taken by everything that was involved … from the amount of coaching and support staff, even the amount of footies on the ground," vandenBerg said.

He soon latched on to highly respected midfielder Daniel Cross and is trying to follow his lead.

"In my opinion, he's the most professional bloke at the club," vandenBerg said.

"I'm always trying to snag him to do some extra stuff after training."

Demons' football manager Josh Mahoney said the mature-age recruit had exceeded expectations, particularly as he arrived at the club with a shoulder injury, and through his willingness to listen and attack training had set up a solid foundation for an AFL career.

"Aaron plays the right way," Mahoney told AFL.com.au.

"He is competitive, loves to tackle and with his size and running ability compliments our midfield group. We look forward to Aaron continuing to develop his AFL attributes further."

vandenBerg said his initial approach hadn't changed.

"I needed to listen along the way and try to learn, week in week out, as much as I possibly could to get a go - and luckily I did," he said.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 09, 2015, 05:15:02 PM
ROOKIE James Harmes says he’s over the moon about making his AFL debut against Essendon at the MCG on Saturday.

The midfielder was told by coach Paul Roos late on Thursday afternoon that he would play his first game for Melbourne this round.

“I was just about to jump in the ice baths and Mahns (Josh Mahoney) gave me a call and said ‘can you come up to the office’,” he told Dee TV.

“So I walked up there and I wasn’t really sure what was going to happen.

“I found out the good news and they (the match committee) played a prank on me. They said I can’t play this weekend [in the VFL … because I was playing in the AFL]. They broke the news to me and I was pretty happy.”

Harmes said “it was pretty crazy” to hear the news, given he was a Melbourne supporter growing up.

“As a kid I grew up for Melbourne and now to pull on the jumper this weekend, it’ll be unbelievable,” he said.

“When I found out I was going to be elevated today (Thursday), things turned a little bit for me and I thought I could sneak in this weekend.

“I got the call-up, so I’m pretty excited just to get out there on Saturday.”

Selected at No.2 in the NAB AFL Rookie Draft in November 2013, Harmes said his journey had been “very challenging” so far.

“I’ve had to get over a few little speed humps along the way, but it’s the best life and it’s really enjoyable,” he said.

“I love coming [to the club] every day to be with my mates and playing footy, so it’s been tough, but I’ve loved every minute of it.”

Hailing from Devon Meadows/Dandenong Stingrays, Harmes said he relished the opportunity even more, having joined the club as a rookie.

“It’s a lot harder to get an actual game, so over the last couple of months I’ve been working on a lot of things,” he said.

“I’ve been doing as much extra as I can, by going and seeing the coaches and doing the ice baths and extra touch.

“I’ve been proactive and as the coaches always say ‘I’ve been taking ownership of my career’, so that’s what I’ve really tried to work on. Last year, I wasn’t as professional as I should’ve been and I was still only an 18-year-old kid coming out of the TAC Cup.

“This year, I feel like my professionalism has gone to another level.”

Harmes said Bernie Vince and Nathan Jones had taken him under his wing.

“From day one, Jonesy was getting around me, so probably those two boys [have had the biggest influence on me],” he said.

“All of the boys are great people – and great people to be around.

“Everyone has had a great influence on me.”

The fact that Harmes has had red and blue running through his veins for his entire life is the cherry on top for the 19-year-old.

“Unfortunately, my mum and my sister are over in Europe at the moment … so that’s bad luck, you’re not going to see me debut,” he said.

“I’m sure that they’ll watch it somewhere.

“It’s going to be unbelievable. I always wanted to do it (play for Melbourne), but for it to finally happen, it’s just crazy – words can’t describe what I’m feeling right now. I’m just grateful for the opportunity that everyone’s given me and I just can’t wait to get out there on Saturday.”
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 10, 2015, 09:29:22 AM
Great story from someone on Demonland - 'Chomp' is Harmes' nickname

"'Chomp' comes up to Yarra every summer and this year he spent new years there. Old man is a taxi driver so they got talking about footy and without harms mentioning anything about being an AFL player dad said he barracked for the Dees, when in turn James mentioned he was a rookie list player. Dad being a passionate supporter was pumped and they got talking for a while about footy etc.. When dad had to drop him off he managed to get a selfie with Chomp and he turned around and offered his support to my younger brother who is playing for under 15s Vic Country this year by giving dad his number! Chomp then offered to ring me little brother and say g'day to which he was little star struck given he is only 14 years old.. Harmes offered some handy advise and tips and wished him all the best. Dad said he was by far the best 18 year old he has dealt with being such a mature kid for his age and the way he has gone out of his way to keep in touch with my little brother. There was no arrogance or cockiness just a down to earth kid who was just as pumped to meet another demon supporter.
 
Dad sent an email to the footy club complimenting on what a terrific young kid he was and the way he had gone out his way to do what he has done for my little brother. Dad mentioned that he wanted this email to go straight to Paul Roos and Peter Jackson. Dads already promised him free taxi rides Lol
 
Against Sydney this year Chomp got free tickets for my family and even a chance to get them into the rooms. My family have now become good friends with James and when I rang my dad before, him and my little brother were fist pumping and shouting with excitement. So the Harmes selection is a bit closer to heart then usual.
 
The kid is a ripper and I am absolutely stoked for Harmesy to be living his dream because I know for a fact just how hard he has had to work for it and what he has gone through.
 
Good luck Chomp!!"
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 10, 2015, 09:34:15 AM
I thought his nickname was Horse. Much for the same reason I believe haha.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on July 10, 2015, 09:44:58 AM
haha thats a ripper
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 10, 2015, 10:42:19 AM
Lol at the nicknames,

A good story!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 11, 2015, 05:06:53 PM
So.....Brisbane next week?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 11, 2015, 05:17:08 PM
So.....Brisbane next week?

Getting a little tired of Roos' excuses, so hope to hear something different today.

Even if it's just getting into the players... I'd like to see that actually.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 12, 2015, 04:53:19 PM
Casey Scorpions 1.4.10 4.6.30 8.8.56 10.9.69

Port Melbourne 0.1.1 2.4.16 2.6.18 2.8.20

Disposals Michie 31, Riley 26, Gent 25, Jamar 23,

Tackles Grimes 13 Toumpas 11

 8)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 12, 2015, 06:21:02 PM
Good game by Russian by the looks of it.

A shame that Gawn is on fire.

Perhaps Grimes and Spuddernaut could come in for (the not quite ready, but I like them) Stretch and Harmes?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 15, 2015, 10:48:00 AM
Kent likely to play Development league this week  :)
 
Salem 1 more week and likely to play the weekend after   :)
 
Melbourne injury list: round 15
 
Sam Frost (toe) – 4-6 weeks
Dean Kent (hamstring) – test
Cameron Pedersen (wrist) – season
Christian Petracca (knee) – season
Christian Salem (hamstring) – 1 week
Jack Trengove (foot) – season
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 15, 2015, 11:22:41 AM
Yay Kent!

Highly looking forward to seeing him back in the team, hopefully soon!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 15, 2015, 12:53:34 PM
Yeah, its kind of sad that all of those players could easily be considered best 22 and they sit on the sidelines.

 :-\
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 15, 2015, 12:55:48 PM
Casey Scorpions 1.4.10 4.6.30 8.8.56 10.9.69

Port Melbourne 0.1.1 2.4.16 2.6.18 2.8.20

The heavens opened up in the morning and the rain just kept pounding in buckets. It was so relentless, so heavy and so bitingly cold that they had to turn on the floodlights and even then it was difficult for the hardy spectators who made it to the ground and clearly even more difficult for the players.

In those conditions it was perhaps inevitable that Casey with 15 AFL listed players and by far the bigger-bodied of the two teams was going to triumph over Port Melbourne.

The two teams met earlier in the Round 5 game at North Port Oval that was closely fought for three quarters before the Borough prevailed but this time they were strangled by the strong tackling of the Scorpions. It was a low scoring affair early with Matt Jones the only goal scorer in the opening term but Port fought back late in the second quarter to get to within two points before goals to Viv Michie and Ed Morris just before half time gave the Scorps the break they needed.

The rain was torrential after half time and Port was completely shut down by strong tackling in the mud and the slush. The game was stop-start and shocking as a spectacle but Casey always had someone who could convert and, as a consequence, slid its way to a 49 point win that consolidated its position in the VFL top eighth.

The Casey rucks led by Mark Jamar and Jake Spencer relished the wet conditions and had the lion's share of the hit outs. They gave their on ball division an armchair ride with Viv Michie and Aidan Riley relishing the hard going. Jack Grimes put in a pleasing performance which included some strong tackling which set the scene for his possible return to AFL ranks in the near future.

Otherwise, there was not a great deal to take from the game other than that one could not accuse any of the players from taking a backward step when the going got tough.

In the end the perfect storm provided a perfect outcome for the home team.

Casey's next outing is to Visy Park on Saturday to take on the lowly Northern Blues, a game not to be taken lightly after the team succumbed to the equally poorly performed North Ballarat a few weeks ago.

Rohan Bail 2 behinds 15 disposals 8 kicks 7 hand passes 2 marks 8 tackles 76 dream team points
Jack Fitzpatrick 6 disposals 5 kicks 1 hand passes 3 marks 4 tackles 42 dream team points
Jack Grimes 1 goal 13 disposals 12 kicks 1 hand passes 15 tackles 102 dream team points
Jayden Hunt 2 goals 6 disposals 6 kicks 1 marks 5 tackles 50 dream team points
Mark Jamar 29 disposals 20 kicks 9 hand passes 3 marks 6 tackles 43 hit outs 140 dream team points
Matt Jones 1 goal disposals 9 kicks 2 hand passes 1 marks 9 tackles 70 dream team points
Oscar McDonald 8 disposals 8 kicks 1 marks 2 tackles 36 dream team points
Jordie McKenzie 13 disposals 8 kicks 5 hand passes 14 tackles 93 dream team points
Viv Michie 1 goal disposals 19 kicks 8 hand passes 1 mark 2 tackles dream 93 team points
Ben Newton 15 disposals 12 kicks 3 hand passes 10 tackles 78 dream team points
Aidan Riley 1 goal 1 behind 28 disposals 14 kicks 14 hand passes 9 tackles 111 dream team points
Jake Spencer 1 behind 6 disposals 6 kicks 2 marks 11 tackles 60 hit outs 121 dream team points
Dean Terlich 17 disposals 16 kicks 1 hand passes 1 marks 2 tackles dream 61 team points
Jimmy Toumpas 10 disposals 7 kicks 3 hand passes 1 marks 9 tackles 57 dream team points
Mitch White 13 disposals 10 kicks 3 hand passes 2 marks 3 tackles 54 dream team points
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 15, 2015, 01:46:10 PM
Some massive tackle numbers in there  :o

Would have to be up for some kind of record
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Holz on July 15, 2015, 03:13:24 PM
Some massive tackle numbers in there  :o

Would have to be up for some kind of record

I dont think the person doing the stats understood the rule as thats a stupid amount of tackles.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 15, 2015, 04:46:17 PM
Spuddernaut has very underwhelming numbers.

Still reckon Newton has a place in our best 22.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 15, 2015, 05:19:10 PM
Some massive tackle numbers in there  :o

Would have to be up for some kind of record

I dont think the person doing the stats understood the rule as thats a stupid amount of tackles.

Yep. And that's not even including the Casey players
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 16, 2015, 04:42:56 PM
Bit of talk going around that we are in the race for Prestia from GC

Some supporters treating it as gospel but seems to be based on nothing more than the fact that he supported the dees as a kid

That and the 'my family friend went to school with someone in Dion's year level and he thinks it's a done deal' type of bullshower
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: elephants on July 16, 2015, 05:10:42 PM
Hey lads, fair to say Mitch White is a fair way from AFL footy at the moment? Looking for a cheap defender that won't play in SC in order to emg loophole and you boys have the most Snday games remaining. Thanks lads!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 16, 2015, 05:49:50 PM
Hey lads, fair to say Mitch White is a fair way from AFL footy at the moment? Looking for a cheap defender that won't play in SC in order to emg loophole and you boys have the most Snday games remaining. Thanks lads!

Like a 10% chance of playing this year

Maybe 5%
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 17, 2015, 08:45:03 AM
Hey lads, fair to say Mitch White is a fair way from AFL footy at the moment? Looking for a cheap defender that won't play in SC in order to emg loophole and you boys have the most Snday games remaining. Thanks lads!

Like a 10% chance of playing this year

Maybe 5%
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 17, 2015, 08:46:27 AM
Bit of talk going around that we are in the race for Prestia from GC

Some supporters treating it as gospel but seems to be based on nothing more than the fact that he supported the dees as a kid

That and the 'my family friend went to school with someone in Dion's year level and he thinks it's a done deal' type of bullshower

Yeah I was reading that last week. Pure rumours, but even still, it got me ridiculously giddy.

I remember when Prestia was drafted (even before then), that he and his family were religiously melbourne supporters, so that much I can say is true.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 17, 2015, 09:37:23 AM
Well, if there is ever a time that he wants out it would be now.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 18, 2015, 05:45:15 PM
Hunt just about secured another contract with his 4 goal performance in the VFL today

Casey Scorpions 3.4.22 7.7.49 11.13.69 15.15.105

Northern Blues 1.2.8 4.3.27 5.3.33 9.4.58

Goals

Casey Scorpions Hunt 4 Jamar 3 Spencer 2 Byrnes Grimes M Jones King Michie Rutherford

Northern Blues Johnson Johnston Jaksch 2 Dirago Murray Watson

Best

Casey Scorpions Jamar Grimes McKenzie Hunt Hutchins Panozza

Northern Blues Jones Roberts Ballard Johnston Armitage Whiley
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 18, 2015, 06:43:45 PM
So in Hunt's only 3 VFL senior games, he has kicked 3, 2 and 4 goals respectively.

Impressive!
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 19, 2015, 09:17:10 PM
How good is Gawn?

Goldy and NicNat possibly the only other rucks in better form

Kicks it like a true big man though  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 20, 2015, 09:01:42 AM
How good is Gawn?

Goldy and NicNat possibly the only other rucks in better form

Kicks it like a true big man though  :P

I was particularly impressed with his second half... clunking those marks, and getting those tackles! Would have to agree on current form he is behind only those two.

I also think we don't say this enough, but Daniel Cross is a legend.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 20, 2015, 09:42:29 AM
Dawes was everywhere in the first half marking everything too.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 20, 2015, 11:52:16 AM
STINGING THE BLUES by KC from Casey

The Casey Scorpions strengthened their claims for a finals berth with a dominant second half leading to a comprehensive 47 point victory over the Northern Blues at Ikon Park on Saturday afternoon.

In cool but calm conditions, the Scorpions opened up strongly with three of the first four goals. The Casey big men were on top in the ruck with Mark Jamar and in front of goal with Jake Spencer booting the first and Max King scoring late in the term to give the team a 14 point lead at the first break.

Casey kept up its dominance with an early second quarter goal to Matt Jones which was met by a swift reply before Jamar, resting up forward, booted another at the six minute mark to restore a 20 point lead. The game lapsed into something of a scramble with lots of stoppages and very few bright passages of play and the visitors let their grip on the game slip when they conceded two goals after time on began. As has often been the case this year, Casey rallied late with goals to Jayden Hunt and a second to Spencer, both after the thirty minute mark and suddenly they were 22 points in front at half time.

The confidence that those two late goals brought to the team was priceless and led by their winning ruck which amassed 71 hit outs between them (Jamar 46, Spencer 25) to give the midfield an armchair ride, the Scorpions swept to a 46 point lead at the final break, with Hunt booting two more for the quarter. Elusive and genuinely quick, Hunt does not get a great deal of the football but what he does with it is particularly damaging.

The experience of Jack Grimes, Jordie McKenzie, Matt Jones and Viv Michie gave Casey the midfield edge whilst Dean Terlich, Evan Panozza and Jack Hutchins were steady in defence in a strong team effort that gave the team a comfortable win.

The victory was handy because it gave the Scorpions a two game buffer inside the top eight, with only one of the six remaining games left to be played against a team outside of that group.

2015 Peter Jackson VFL

Casey Scorpions
3.4.22 7.7.49 11.13.69 15.15.105

Northern Blues 1.2.8 4.3.27 5.3.33 9.4.58

(http://i.imgur.com/GSVAiW5.png)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 20, 2015, 12:51:43 PM
I reckon if Grimes doesn't get selected this week he'll get delisted.

^ My bold prediction for Melbourne this year.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Holz on July 20, 2015, 01:01:10 PM
I reckon if Grimes doesn't get selected this week he'll get delisted.

^ My bold prediction for Melbourne this year.

whats happend how does he go from captain and one of the most promising players in the comp to not even getting a gig. Is his injury still hampening him?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 20, 2015, 02:28:01 PM
I reckon if Grimes doesn't get selected this week he'll get delisted.

^ My bold prediction for Melbourne this year.

whats happend how does he go from captain and one of the most promising players in the comp to not even getting a gig. Is his injury still hampening him?

I guess he got a hand injury which was the reason for his omission last time, but overall no. Tbh I think he's been a little hard done by this year. He's still in contract anyway, so it probably won't happen.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 20, 2015, 02:53:25 PM
I reckon if Grimes doesn't get selected this week he'll get delisted.

^ My bold prediction for Melbourne this year.

whats happend how does he go from captain and one of the most promising players in the comp to not even getting a gig. Is his injury still hampening him?

Main thing is probably Lumumba coming in, Salem playing off half back and Jetta + Dunn in terrific form the last two years (compared to where they were). Just no longer a spot for Grimes

Part of it I think too is that he had to drop his playing weight to stop the soft tissue injuries. Seems to have hindered his ability to defend a bit

Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 20, 2015, 02:56:30 PM
I thought he has been hard done by also. Before the hand injury, he had a nice few games in a row there and did well.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 21, 2015, 04:28:59 PM
FORMER co-captain Jack Trengove has received some positive news about his foot injury, with a scan revealing it is healing well and he is set to move into the next phase of his training program.

Elite performance manager Dave Misson said Trengove was delighted to hear the good news after meeting the surgeon early in the week.

“Jack had a CT scan yesterday (Monday) and a review with his surgeon and both of those were really positive,” he told Dee TV.

“The scan showed that his bone is continuing to heal and the surgeon was very positive about him moving into a running phase of his program over the next few weeks, and then progressing it over the next couple of months.

“Jack’s pretty pleased and we’ll sit down this week and have a look at what his program is structured like. But it’s real positive news for him. He’s a reasonably happy boy this morning.”

Classy young Demon Christian Salem is also set to resume this weekend via the VFL, after being sidelined since round seven, due to a hamstring injury.

“Christian’s due to train tomorrow (Wednesday) and Friday, and then play in the VFL on Sunday,” Misson said.

“He’s completed a reasonably significant rehab and has trained well the last couple of weeks, so we’re looking forward to seeing him out there.”

Powerful forward Dean Kent, who played in the AFL Victoria Development League last weekend – his first match since injuring his hamstring in round four against Richmond – suffered some tightness and will now be a test.

“He had a little bit of tightness after half an hour of playing,” Misson said.

“He was going to keep playing, but we were pretty conservative in our approach there.

“Scans don’t really show anything significant, so we’re going to treat it clinically and conservatively, and we’ll just see how he looks over the next couple of days. Whether we get him up to play this week or just give him another week – we’ll let it settle and [might] look for another couple of weeks’ time.”

Big man Sam Frost (toe) remains sidelined for another five weeks.

“His running is progressing and for a bloke who’s been off his legs for a significant period of time, he’s always going to have a few little niggles, as he starts to run again,” Misson said.

“He’s starting to work through that and he’s getting some decent running sessions in.”

Tall utility Cam Pedersen (wrist) and last year’s No.2 pick in the NAB AFL Draft Christian Petracca (knee), who are out for the rest of the season, continue to work diligently on their rehab programs.

“Pedo’s smashing the running. He’s doing a pre-season in July, so he’s going really well and he sees his surgeon next week to potentially get the wires out of that wrist. Then he’ll be able to start working on increasing the range, the wrist and the strength as well,” Misson said.

“Christian Petracca is working through his rehab running program and he’s doing some faster run throughs and he’ll look to move into some agility work in the next few weeks, so he’s going very well.” 
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 21, 2015, 04:54:40 PM
God, I've missed Salem in the side.

Kent too. To have both of them potentially in 2 weeks time will be great.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 22, 2015, 08:43:33 AM
Yeah, I was always iffy with Salem. I pretty much had him in the same bracket as Toumpas at the start of the season. But Salem is silky smooth and clean, I can't wait for him to develop into the midfield.

Then there's Kent, we all know what the little pocket rocket can do.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 22, 2015, 09:05:20 AM
Yeah, I was always iffy with Salem. I pretty much had him in the same bracket as Toumpas at the start of the season. But Salem is silky smooth and clean, I can't wait for him to develop into the midfield.

Then there's Kent, we all know what the little pocket rocket can do.

I think I can vaguely remember the doubts on Salem before the season started. But I never had 'em  ;) unlike Spuddernaut from about his third game in his career.

Is he actually going to be contracted next year, and with us?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 22, 2015, 01:16:42 PM
I was hell bent on Salem before the season started and even considered getting his number on my jumper

Hogan too good though  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 22, 2015, 06:55:26 PM
I think its safe to say that we all placed unrealistic expectations on Hogan before the season started... and deep down, didn't really ever think he'd live up to them straight away.

Which just makes it unbelievable that he has lived up to these expectations, and totally blown me away. I do love him. Like, I love him.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 23, 2015, 09:18:46 AM
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Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 23, 2015, 10:05:26 AM
 :P

I like the trio we've got going at the moment, Hogan, Viney and Tyson  8)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 23, 2015, 10:19:34 AM
Tyson has been lame this year. He was much better last year.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 23, 2015, 11:07:58 AM
Tyson has been lame this year. He was much better last year.

Sneaky change :P

Yeah he has a little, but I'm pinning that on second year (second real year) blues.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Pkbaldy on July 23, 2015, 11:47:09 AM
Another close game this week too boys??
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 23, 2015, 12:02:55 PM
Lets hope not. A thrashing for St Kilda would be nice.

 :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Pkbaldy on July 23, 2015, 12:36:56 PM
Lets hope not. A thrashing for St Kilda would be nice.

 :P

Well we should of received one last weekend. But the Tiges decided to send in the reserves in that last quarter.

Delaney won't be able to hand feed Hogan 5 goals this time. Fish should get the job done on him.

Who do you think Vince or Viney will tag?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 23, 2015, 08:49:55 PM
Salem named on the bench in the VFL  8)

Another close game this week too boys??

Not sure I could handle another close one

If you're going to beat us get it done by 3/4 time so I don't have to watch it anymore  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Pkbaldy on July 23, 2015, 08:55:05 PM
Another last second goal?? :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 26, 2015, 04:34:31 PM
I suppose it's that time again that comes around every now and then when I get all doomsday.

But yeah, flower this is a shower team. Is it ever going to improve?

The last time (coincidentally, against St Kilda), I said this year is a non-improvement.

I guess statistically it is an improvement.

I view this year as a non-progression, the 9th one in a row.

Just an awful, awful club doomed to be forever on the bottom.

You could say St Kilda as re-ignited this conclusion I made 5 weeks ago, but the jury came out again with that magnificent win against Geelong.

But yeah, I'm sure now.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on July 29, 2015, 02:51:07 PM
Casey Scorpions 2.4.16 3.4.22 6.5.41 9.6.60

Collingwood 1.1.7 4.4.28 9.4.58 12.11.83

Rohan Bail 1 behind 30 disposals 10 kicks 20 handballs 5 marks 9 tackles 120 dream team points
Jack Fitzpatrick 7 disposals 3 kicks 4 handballs 3 marks 1 tackle 31 dream team points
Mark Jamar 16 disposals 11 kicks 5 handballs 3 marks 4 tackles 48 hit outs 119 dream team points
Jayden Hunt 2 goals 1 behind 11 disposals 8 kicks 3 handballs 1 mark 1 tackle 49 dream team points
Jay Kennedy-Harris 14 disposals 4 kicks 10 handballs 1 marks 7 tackles 63 dream team points
Max King 2 goals 13 disposals 9 kicks 4 handballs 7 marks 1 tackle 1 hit out 73 dream team points
Alex Neal-Bullen 40 disposals 18 kicks 22 handballs 5 marks 8 tackles 140 dream team points
Oscar McDonald 1 goal disposals kicks handballs marks tackles dream team points
Jordie McKenzie 1 goal 1 behind 30 disposals 17 kicks 13 handballs 6 marks 2 tackles 111 dream team points
Ben Newton 1 goal disposals kicks handballs marks tackles
Aidan Riley 21 disposals 8 kicks 13 handballs 1 marks 6 tackles 68 dream team points
Christian Salem 8 disposals 4 kicks 4 handballs 4 marks 2 tackles 37 dream team points
Jake Spencer 1 behind disposals 2 kicks 7 handballs 1 mark 4 tackles 20 hit outs 60 dream team points
Dean Terlich 25 disposals 11 kicks 14 handballs 3 tackles 70 dream team points
Jimmy Toumpas 12 disposals 6 kicks 6 handballs 1 tackle 31 dream team points
Mitch White 2 goals 17 disposals 9 kicks 8 handballs 5 marks 4 tackles 83 dream team points

Also Pedersen is likely to return before seasons end which is good news. But ANB!? God damn.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Ricochet on July 29, 2015, 02:52:31 PM
Alex Neal-Bullen 40 disposals 18 kicks 22 handballs 5 marks 8 tackles 140 dream team points
Get him back in
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 29, 2015, 04:22:17 PM
Dayum, ANB!

Was surprised Stretch was ahead of him tbh.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on July 29, 2015, 04:34:42 PM
Dayum, ANB!

Was surprised Stretch was ahead of him tbh.

They kind of play different roles though

I'd like to see ANB get a run in the mids. Even if it is only for a qtr

ANB probably comes in for Stretch, although Brayshaw needs a rest and Harmes will probably head back to the VFL soon
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 31, 2015, 08:30:07 PM
Interesting to see that hack Damien Barrett brought up the Prestia rumour...

If anything that discourages me, coz anything he reports is utter garbage.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on July 31, 2015, 08:34:31 PM
A bit of gold from Demonland today...

When I heard about Brisbane potentially asking for a priority pick, I thought well... pretty much exactly the OP at Demonland discussing it.

I lost my shower:

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Brisbane Lions to consider asking AFL for priority draft pick to rebuild their threadbare list

http://www.heraldsun...0-1227451366387

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tumblr_mazjy9e9Dg1rvbizho2_250.gif)

Laughed so hard  ;D
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Grazz on August 01, 2015, 04:21:32 PM
Nice scalp today Dee's and good win.  ;)
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: ossie85 on August 01, 2015, 04:32:42 PM
Well done lads! Deserved win.

But... just because...

Things that happened since the last time the Dees beat the Pies 9 years ago (which was Scott Pendlebury's 2nd match):
 - Barack Obama elected
 - Purple 77 hit puberty
 - Dustin Fletcher was 31
 - Global Financial Crisis
 - Facebook was made public

I wonder what the world will be like in 2024 when you beat us next :P

But in all seriousness, clearly the better team, well done
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: My Chumps on August 01, 2015, 04:59:14 PM
which was Scott Pendlebury's 2nd match
wowee
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on August 03, 2015, 07:07:43 AM
Gawn was absolutely knackered on Saturday

Another big challenge for him this week, although Goldy struggled against the height of Sandilands so hopefully Gawn can do some damage
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on August 03, 2015, 08:00:57 AM
Well done lads! Deserved win.

But... just because...

Things that happened since the last time the Dees beat the Pies 9 years ago (which was Scott Pendlebury's 2nd match):
 - Barack Obama elected
 - Purple 77 hit puberty
 - Dustin Fletcher was 31
 - Global Financial Crisis
 - Facebook was made public

I wonder what the world will be like in 2024 when you beat us next :P

But in all seriousness, clearly the better team, well done

You might finally hit puberty :P

More realistically, I guess ossie13 will  :P
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on August 03, 2015, 09:21:59 AM
Gawn was absolutely knackered on Saturday

Another big challenge for him this week, although Goldy struggled against the height of Sandilands so hopefully Gawn can do some damage

Yeah this week will be a massive test for him. Arguably the best in the comp at the moment and would even be doing pretty well in the Brownlow I reckon.

Things that happened since the last time the Dees beat the Pies 9 years ago (which was Scott Pendlebury's 2nd match):
 - Purple 77 hit puberty

I lolled.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on August 03, 2015, 04:30:33 PM
Casey Scorpions 1.6.12 8.7.55 10.8.68 10.9.69
Werribee Tigers 3.2.20 4.5.29 11.10.76 12.10.82

Best: Fitzpatrick Riley Salem White Newton

Rohan Bail 17 disposals 12 kicks 5 handballs 2 marks 8 tackles 81 dream team points
Jack Fitzpatrick 19 disposals 11 kicks 8 handballs 10 marks 77 dream team points
Mark Jamar 1 behind 14 disposals 11 kicks 3 handballs 47 hit outs 84 dream team points
Matt Jones 29 disposals 25 kicks 4 handballs 5 marks 13 tackles 145 dream team points
Jay Kennedy-Harris 6 disposals 3 kicks 3 handballs 9 tackles 48 dream team points
Max King 2 goals 1 behind 6 disposals 5 kicks 1 handball 2 marks 1 tackle 41 dream team points
Jordie McKenzie 20 disposals 12 kicks 8 handballs 1 marks 11 tackles 97 dream team points
Ben Newton 2 goals 1 behind 21 disposals 14 kicks 7 handballs 1 mark 6 tackles 93 dream team points
Aidan Riley 29 disposals 13kicks 16 handballs 2 marks 13 tackles 121 dream team points
Christian Salem 1 goal 14 disposals 8 kicks 6 handballs 1 mark 5 tackles 65 dream team points
Jake Spencer 12 disposals 6 kicks 6 handballs 5 marks 2 tackles 32 hit outs 84 dream team points
Dean Terlich 1 goal 9 disposals 7 kicks 2 handballs 1 mark 2 tackles 39 dream team points
Jimmy Toumpas 1 goal two behinds 15 disposals 7 kicks 8 handballs 3 marks 7 tackles 79 dream team points
Mitch White 18 disposals 12 kicks 6 handballs 3marks 1 tackles 62 dream team points
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on August 03, 2015, 04:32:08 PM
JKH has been severely disappointing this year.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on August 03, 2015, 04:36:09 PM
Christian Salem: Was good for Christian to blow out a few more cobwebs.  Clearly still a gallop short of the form he was showing over the first 6 rounds, but I thought he worked into the game well.  Wet hard at the contests and kicked a nice goal.  I'd say he was one of our best in the 2nd half when we didn't have many good players.  And given Melbourne won on the weekend and Casey lost, it wouldn't hurt to give him another run at VFL level, just to make sure he's cherry ripe for the final 4 games.
 
Jimmy Toumpas: Start of the year, I thought he was in trouble Jimmy.  Then by half way through the season I though he was turning it around, but now I feel he's in trouble again.  Did a few nice things, especially in the 2nd term, and he tried to run hard to create some spread, but he just looked to be lacking any real spark.  He wasn't terrible by any stretch, but he didn't do anything to stake claims for a recall either.  He may be up for trade at years end...
 
Jordie McKenzie: I feel I write the same things about Jordie every time I watch him at VFL level.  Played pretty well and tried his guts out, but that's all I can really say about Jordie.  He's commited, but just lacks polish as we all know.
 
Ben Newton: Played very well, and kicked two absolute classic goals which showed he was a touch above.  Just a shame he doesn't do it as consistently at AFL level, but he's clearly got tools worth persisting with.  Would be nice if he could get a little higher numbers at VFL level, but he was still one of our best.
 
Jay Kennedy-Harris: Odd game for Jay.  I actually think from the coaches point of view, you couldn't be to disapointed with his game, as he did all the sorts of things you want him to be doing.  He chased, tackled and harassed very well I thought.  The problem was he had next to no impact on the game and didn't have many touches at all.  He was putting in, was pretty clear to see.  He just got a big fat 0 on the results side of things for himself.
 
Aidan Riley: Probably our most consistent player over the 4 Quarters.  Typical Pig Dog game.  Hard as anything and bottom of every pack.  If only he was either an elite kick of had really good pace.  But with neither of those things, he just lets down a lot of his good work.  Had a chance to get us back within 2 points in the final term, only to kick the ball out on the full along with any chances of us getting the win.
 
Mark Jamar: He and Spencil dominated the first half, but they probably had their colours lowered in the 2nd half by Wallace & Daw, especially Russian.  He was very good in the first half, and was getting a bit of the ball, as he has done the last few weeks.  But in the 2nd half Russian went quiet and that's when Werribee got ontop in the midfield.  The rest in history.  Still think someone will pick him up next year.
 
Mitch White: Named in the best and not surprising.  He was the main reason for our dominant 2nd term IMO.  His run and drive from the half back line was first class, and set up many of our forward 50 runs.  A lot more attention was paid to him in the 2nd half, but he was still able to get invovled in the play and get a bit of the ball.  Just not to the same effect as the 2nd term.  His defensive work was pretty strong also.
 
Jake Spencer: See Jamar, however I thought Spencer actually got better as the game went on, and I thought along with Riley, they were our two best in the 2nd half.  His ruck work wasn't the best itself, but he worked really hard around the ground.  Spencil's biggest issue is that he just offers nothing as a forward.  So once King went off, Casey really struggled going forward only having one of Spencer or Jamar to kick to.
 
Rohan Bail: Like Kennedy-Harris, had no impact, however when he did get the ball, he turned it over a bit.  For me personally, I thought this was Bail's worst game at VFL level that I've seen.
 
Matt Jones: See Bail comments.  Now to be fair to all of Jones, Bail & Toumpas, it wasn't a game for the outsiders today, but we just got very little value, especially from an impact point of view, even if Matty did get a bit of the ball.
 
Dean Terlich: Played a very good first half, and when he got hit high in the third term he got up very groggy and came off with concussion never to come back on.  Free kick was missed, instead he was called for holding the ball and Werribee kicked their first of 4 goals from free kicks in the 3rd quarter alone.  So once Terlich came off the game started to change as he was marking and intercepting 50% of the ball that came forward in the first half with Fitz taking the other 50%.
 
Max King: Was playing nicely.  Had kicked a nice goal from a great pack mark, could have had two first half goals.  Took another strong mark early in the 3rd term when things were looking good.  He then did his hammy and was not spotted again.  I saw him on the bench and he didn't have much strapped to it, so hopefully it's only a minor strain and he'll be back in 2-3 weeks for finals.  But his absence was felt in our forward structure.

Jack Fitzpatrick
: Brought his own footy in the first half.  Was marking everything and looking a world beater.  Barely sighted in the 2nd half and his man actually kicked a couple on him also.  Think he's got a future Fitz, just not with us as he'll likely seek greener pastures.  I actually hope we give him a few games before seasons end to boost us his price as someone may score a key position defender on the cheap from us with Fitz.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Purple 77 on August 03, 2015, 04:41:45 PM
I thought that was the MFC review for a minute, so I was pretty surprised that the VFL coach would say Jimmy would be up for trade EOS :P

He missed the guy I care most about, Jayden Hunt  :-\

That's the second raving review I've heard in a row for Mitch White...
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on August 03, 2015, 05:19:03 PM
JKH has been severely disappointing this year.

Shocking that he only managed 6 disposals at VFL level

I remember watching him get in a run in the mids last year and thinking he could really turn into something. Seems to have gone backwards this year
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on August 04, 2015, 01:25:17 PM
Highlights:
 
Sam Frost is now "5 weeks" instead of "4 to 6 weeks".
 
Dean Kent's ailment is nothing more than hamstring "tightness" which will be monitored.
 
Christian Salem is back - probably half a game at Casey this week.
 
Jack Trengove has the all clear to start running on a special programme.
 
Melbourne injury list: round 17
 
Sam Frost (toe) - 5 weeks
Dean Kent (hamstring tightness) - test
Cam Pedersen (wrist) - season
Christian Petracca (knee) - season
Christian Salem (hamstring) - available
Jack Trengove (foot) - season
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Big Mac on August 04, 2015, 02:11:53 PM
What a troll lol

Why would they change Sam Frost to 5 weeks?
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Barra13 on August 04, 2015, 02:41:12 PM
Haha I know right, it's been 4-6 for ages and then 5 weeks is the end of season. Nice one Misson.
Title: Re: Melbourne Discussion
Post by: Pkbaldy on August 04, 2015, 03:13:47 PM
JKH has been severely disappointing this year.

Shocking that he only managed 6 disposals at VFL level

I remember watching him get in a run in the mids last year and thinking he could really turn into something. Seems to have gone backwards this year