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Title: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: PowerBug on December 21, 2014, 02:27:38 PM
Nominate your batsmen here, rules are as follows:
- Must have had the player in your side for at least 2 seasons (That is, to make things easy, bought on or before May 31st 2014)
- Must have the player(s) skills revealed.

To make sure that the polls don't get out of hand, I will be capping AR and Keeper polls to 5, Bowler polls to 10, and Batsman polls to 15. If there are extra nominations I will decide who makes the final cut, unless it seems difficult to split.

Also, you are encouraged to NOT vote for your own player(s)

I will open up threads for nominations now, they will all be run at the same time, nominations will close on Boxing Day, and on the 27th voting will open. Voting will remain open until New Years Day.

Nominees:
Tom Swift (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=690696) - Boundary Hitter (Opium Splendour)
Amir Salim (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=610500) - Boundary Hitter (DazBurg's Greatness)
Gadil Khaleel (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=947445) - Boundary Hitter (DazBurg's Greatness)
Fahim Zia (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=717902) - (The Brat Pack)
Daniel Currie (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=515313) - Spin Specialist (Hello)
Anderson Silva (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=563485) - Boundary Hitter (Hello)
Maxime Gaudet (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=757007) - (Hello)
Paul Aronstam (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=833307) - Seam Specialist (PowerBugCC)
Nathaniel Tiger (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=1348938) - Boundary Hitter, Sturdy (Billy Goats CC)
Hamilton Cheetah (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=1353299) - Seam Specialist (Billy Goats CC)
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: AFEV on December 21, 2014, 02:41:50 PM
My only nomination in here will be Tom Swift (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=690696).
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: DazBurg on December 21, 2014, 03:00:10 PM
my 2

Amir Salem (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=610500).

Gadil Khaleel (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=947445).

again not putting any spec/spec atm as reckon we will get enough better ones

Edit: Btw i realize Khaleel has no power but in saying that he is a BH a notion we have been looking into especially at Nat Level
hence why Salim has been stopped at accom aswell
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: BratPack on December 21, 2014, 03:06:37 PM
Fahim Zia (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=717902)
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: PowerBug on December 21, 2014, 05:28:16 PM
Need to reveal Zia BP :)
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: CrowsFan on December 21, 2014, 06:21:38 PM
Well I'll nominate these two, but I'm sure they'll get cut out...

Nathaniel Tiger (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=1348938)
Hamilton Cheetah (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=1353299)

Maybe in a few seasons haha ;)
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: Hellopplz on December 22, 2014, 11:06:00 AM
If only Khaleel had power Dazzle! And we'll have to beat them in these teams HB before they start dominating in like 3+ seasons :P.

Anderson Silva (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=563485), Maxime Gaudet (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=757007) and Daniel Currie (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=515313) would be my nominations. I'd expect Currie to be cut out though once other Managers come on to post their guys.
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: PowerBug on December 22, 2014, 11:43:56 AM
I think we'll have a team of Boundary Hitters here. Paul Aronstam (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=833307) I doubt will make the top 5, but he's my best batsman so I'll nominate anyway :(
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: Hellopplz on December 22, 2014, 12:03:35 PM
I've got 2 Openers but they're too young and not at high enough level yet :(.
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: DazBurg on December 22, 2014, 06:20:36 PM
If only Khaleel had power Dazzle! And we'll have to beat them in these teams HB before they start dominating in like 3+ seasons :P.

Anderson Silva (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=563485), Maxime Gaudet (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=757007) and Daniel Currie (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=515313) would be my nominations. I'd expect Currie to be cut out though once other Managers come on to post their guys.

not meant too as stated

the theroy is less power means more dot balls more dot balls means more trigger talents
play on Defensive and trigger away

Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: Torpedo10 on December 22, 2014, 06:36:30 PM
If only Khaleel had power Dazzle! And we'll have to beat them in these teams HB before they start dominating in like 3+ seasons :P.

Anderson Silva (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=563485), Maxime Gaudet (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=757007) and Daniel Currie (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=515313) would be my nominations. I'd expect Currie to be cut out though once other Managers come on to post their guys.

not meant too as stated

the theroy is less power means more dot balls more dot balls means more trigger talents
play on Defensive and trigger away
You know that's bullshower right......
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: PowerBug on December 22, 2014, 09:37:15 PM
You know that's bullshower right......
I'm not sure if it's been proven one way or the other. Personally I don't want to rely on the trigger to score me runs. You'll need a big collection of data to see how many dot balls get turned into triggers. Are triggers independent of opposition strength? If so that makes it easier, you can use every game, otherwise you would need to only pick evenly matched games to work it out for certain.
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: JBs-Hawks on December 22, 2014, 09:42:54 PM
Yes less power doesnt mean more dots? Less power means less 4s and 6s more 1s and 2s?
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: Hellopplz on December 22, 2014, 09:49:08 PM
You know that's bullshower right......
I'm not sure if it's been proven one way or the other. Personally I don't want to rely on the trigger to score me runs. You'll need a big collection of data to see how many dot balls get turned into triggers. Are triggers independent of opposition strength? If so that makes it easier, you can use every game, otherwise you would need to only pick evenly matched games to work it out for certain.
Only way is to hold many many friendlies using the same squad, same orders and everything to test it and that would need a heap to get the data required for it. Why I still train some Power into my BHs and most players just to be sure not to rely too much on talents. I don't like trigger talents too much because can be random so unreliable.
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: DazBurg on December 22, 2014, 10:03:41 PM
Yes less power doesnt mean more dots? Less power means less 4s and 6s more 1s and 2s?

sorry yes that is the point
less 2's and 3's making  dots and 1's trigger
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: DazBurg on December 22, 2014, 10:08:13 PM
dunno it is a theory Roblet always had

and a theory that DZ thinks helps too

not so much perhaps in terms of triggering more but in terms of dynamics for a team lineup

every single player these days are trained exactly the same

this is what we have been theorizing more so for Nats
as UAE for example our batting no matter the pitch and trying different orders etc has let us down for seasons upon seasons now

even DZ reckons it is because all players are pretty much identical these days so it all plays out the same

I.e more power does mean they go for more aggressive shots meaning they have a tendency to go out more

where as less power means they a more defensive and take there time and build there innings

same as they always used to say a tech gap isn't such a bad thing if the Tech is the higher one it makes them stay in more
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: DazBurg on December 22, 2014, 10:14:30 PM
If only Khaleel had power Dazzle! And we'll have to beat them in these teams HB before they start dominating in like 3+ seasons :P.

Anderson Silva (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=563485), Maxime Gaudet (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=757007) and Daniel Currie (http://www.fromthepavilion.org/player.htm?playerId=515313) would be my nominations. I'd expect Currie to be cut out though once other Managers come on to post their guys.

not meant too as stated

the theroy is less power means more dot balls more dot balls means more trigger talents
play on Defensive and trigger away
You know that's bullshower right......

didn't say i had proof it worked
but in saying that where is the proof it doesn't contribute?

as stated above it isn't just about triggering talents but more for team dynamics and balance
wheather it actually helps or not i'm not sure but salim and khaleel make a damn fine partnership more often then not
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: Hellopplz on December 22, 2014, 11:31:04 PM
Heard the theory before. Have seen a WC/WC batter with Average power (but Accumulator talent not BH) go alright in the past for Scotland. I may try a similar route for a batter I currently have (an Opener maybe since got two of them). But would be taking him to WC/WC and maybe beyond if I don't train batting. Worth trying it out otherwise turns similar to anybody else.
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: DazBurg on December 23, 2014, 06:00:03 AM
Heard the theory before. Have seen a WC/WC batter with Average power (but Accumulator talent not BH) go alright in the past for Scotland. I may try a similar route for a batter I currently have (an Opener maybe since got two of them). But would be taking him to WC/WC and maybe beyond if I don't train batting. Worth trying it out otherwise turns similar to anybody else.

yup that is the point
trying different ways to get the ME to work for you
rather then every player being trained stock standard
again i have no proof
but i am willing to try
so khaleel is getting some fitness work before gong back to batting
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: PowerBug on December 23, 2014, 08:49:15 AM
As you say, if you train everyone the same, then they all have the same chances of getting out, which causes collapses. Mixing it up might save you on that one occassion that you need it. I have two 21yo's currently, one with Gifted Batting, one with Gifted Tech, I plan to give them each a gap, one each way. Livera who has gifted batting is outs/expert with outs fielding, so he's coming along very nicely :D (I am thinking elite/excep with him, but I don't think he'll get that far hahaha, might just go wclass/excep then hit the power)
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: Torpedo10 on December 23, 2014, 09:07:40 AM
Heard the theory before. Have seen a WC/WC batter with Average power (but Accumulator talent not BH) go alright in the past for Scotland. I may try a similar route for a batter I currently have (an Opener maybe since got two of them). But would be taking him to WC/WC and maybe beyond if I don't train batting. Worth trying it out otherwise turns similar to anybody else.
Which player? If you try that with any Scottish National prospect I'll go nuts. We play against WCWc batsmen WITH Excep Power and co.
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: AFEV on December 23, 2014, 10:20:44 AM
Yeah it's a pretty well documented theory I think DZ calls it 'samey syndrome' from memory. It does have some merit to it, but regardless there are different ways to play the game for everyone.
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: DazBurg on December 23, 2014, 04:03:42 PM
Heard the theory before. Have seen a WC/WC batter with Average power (but Accumulator talent not BH) go alright in the past for Scotland. I may try a similar route for a batter I currently have (an Opener maybe since got two of them). But would be taking him to WC/WC and maybe beyond if I don't train batting. Worth trying it out otherwise turns similar to anybody else.
Which player? If you try that with any Scottish National prospect I'll go nuts. We play against WCWc batsmen WITH Excep Power and co.

because the current way is working a treat for the scots?
we have charlie who is WC/WC with all power etc and the biggest let down of all the batters there

mate especially at UAE with the smallest player pool we need to explore every chance

Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: Torpedo10 on December 23, 2014, 08:10:32 PM
Heard the theory before. Have seen a WC/WC batter with Average power (but Accumulator talent not BH) go alright in the past for Scotland. I may try a similar route for a batter I currently have (an Opener maybe since got two of them). But would be taking him to WC/WC and maybe beyond if I don't train batting. Worth trying it out otherwise turns similar to anybody else.
Which player? If you try that with any Scottish National prospect I'll go nuts. We play against WCWc batsmen WITH Excep Power and co.

because the current way is working a treat for the scots?
we have charlie who is WC/WC with all power etc and the biggest let down of all the batters there

mate especially at UAE with the smallest player pool we need to explore every chance
Dude, our issue right now isn't the skills of 2-3 of our players. The issue is that we don't have enough of them. That and our last of super skilled bowlers. Charlie may not have a direct effect at times but he helps the whole squad,  I know for a fact Charlie has destroyed us many times.

I don't buy that crap Daz, UAE have a relatively large community, one of the biggest on FTP.

Trust me, having Average powered batsmen will destroy any team, ask DZ. He will laugh you off as a madman if you propose mass primary training and no power training.
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: Hellopplz on December 23, 2014, 08:33:50 PM
Heard the theory before. Have seen a WC/WC batter with Average power (but Accumulator talent not BH) go alright in the past for Scotland. I may try a similar route for a batter I currently have (an Opener maybe since got two of them). But would be taking him to WC/WC and maybe beyond if I don't train batting. Worth trying it out otherwise turns similar to anybody else.
Which player? If you try that with any Scottish National prospect I'll go nuts. We play against WCWc batsmen WITH Excep Power and co.
Johnnie Walker back in the day, he was Average Power until about mid 27 and did alright but was thrown all over the batting order due to the low power.

And I'm planning on Douglas Cameron to be trained similar to him, not Norman Angus don't worry ;).
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: DazBurg on December 23, 2014, 08:34:44 PM
Heard the theory before. Have seen a WC/WC batter with Average power (but Accumulator talent not BH) go alright in the past for Scotland. I may try a similar route for a batter I currently have (an Opener maybe since got two of them). But would be taking him to WC/WC and maybe beyond if I don't train batting. Worth trying it out otherwise turns similar to anybody else.
Which player? If you try that with any Scottish National prospect I'll go nuts. We play against WCWc batsmen WITH Excep Power and co.

because the current way is working a treat for the scots?
we have charlie who is WC/WC with all power etc and the biggest let down of all the batters there

mate especially at UAE with the smallest player pool we need to explore every chance
Dude, our issue right now isn't the skills of 2-3 of our players. The issue is that we don't have enough of them. That and our last of super skilled bowlers. Charlie may not have a direct effect at times but he helps the whole squad,  I know for a fact Charlie has destroyed us many times.

I don't buy that crap Daz, UAE have a relatively large community, one of the biggest on FTP.

Trust me, having Average powered batsmen will destroy any team, ask DZ. He will laugh you off as a madman if you propose mass primary training and no power training.

first off
Torps last of your super skilled bowlers now?
so what has happened the last 6 seasons or so?
you have 2 things here
1. that perhaps dynamics rather then every single player being trained exactly the same "MAY" (keyword there) help in certain situations as PB and HP and AX and JB all agreed they have heard "MAY" (again keyword) help with a team dynamic
or
2. you have failed miserably as manager (not trying to be mean either simply stating fact here Scots have had good players so have UAE in both our times as managers so why do the fails seem to continue and for UAE it is always batting not bowling)

Also The fact that every single person on FTP trains exactly the same now and takes that as the way things need to be done could be correct but a few different things to mix up (any variety in the game is meant to be good variety)....lets just Ask PB who every season has been servilely outrated and still been in Div 1 for what 4 seasons now

And UAE has one of the biggest communities does it?
not sure where i get the information for the player pools but just going on what is stated (including by DZ and pretty sure Ash has)

and finally where did i state that mass primary training should be done?
i said i have 2 BH's one stopped at accomplished and one is not getting any form of power at this stage and if he does i may only go to reasonable for a different dynamic


but just for the sake of the argument here is a direct quote from DZ on out offsite
Quote
"and the problem isn't the orders, it's the fact there is no differentiation between the batsmen IMO. They are all mostly exc/exc with exc+ power. Therefore they will all have a similar chance of getting out and you don't have anything that can change it up."

Quote
"I know there aren't many options, but it's time to start thinking outside the square and not just picking 8 exceptional/world class skilled players."

point i am trying to get at here is thinking outside the box rather simply taking as gospel that is how things should be done
it may not work and i may have no data to back it up

but then neither do you
its always good to try different things and evolve rather then doing the ame thing over and over again especially if it isn't working







Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: BratPack on December 23, 2014, 10:04:19 PM
Need to reveal Zia BP :)

I thought I did  :-\
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: PowerBug on December 24, 2014, 02:34:42 PM
Also The fact that every single person on FTP trains exactly the same now and takes that as the way things need to be done could be correct but a few different things to mix up (any variety in the game is meant to be good variety)....lets just Ask PB who every season has been servilely outrated and still been in Div 1 for what 4 seasons now
I just get lucky because everyone worries about the Pav Cup too much :P
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: Torpedo10 on December 24, 2014, 02:35:40 PM
Also The fact that every single person on FTP trains exactly the same now and takes that as the way things need to be done could be correct but a few different things to mix up (any variety in the game is meant to be good variety)....lets just Ask PB who every season has been servilely outrated and still been in Div 1 for what 4 seasons now
I just get lucky because everyone worries about the Pav Cup too much :P
Look at labrooys team and come back to me.
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: PowerBug on December 24, 2014, 02:42:39 PM
Also The fact that every single person on FTP trains exactly the same now and takes that as the way things need to be done could be correct but a few different things to mix up (any variety in the game is meant to be good variety)....lets just Ask PB who every season has been servilely outrated and still been in Div 1 for what 4 seasons now
I just get lucky because everyone worries about the Pav Cup too much :P
Look at labrooys team and come back to me.
Yep, looked at his team, and looked at how he still managed to finish 3rd in SOD last season. With the position on power that he is in, really shouldn't be losing a match
Title: Re: S26: FanFooty Best XI - Batsmen Nominations
Post by: DazBurg on December 24, 2014, 06:32:48 PM
Also The fact that every single person on FTP trains exactly the same now and takes that as the way things need to be done could be correct but a few different things to mix up (any variety in the game is meant to be good variety)....lets just Ask PB who every season has been servilely outrated and still been in Div 1 for what 4 seasons now
I just get lucky because everyone worries about the Pav Cup too much :P
Look at labrooys team and come back to me.

what are we looking at?