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« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2016, 02:43:09 PM »

- Squad sizes (Possible cap change)
The cap for next season will be 20 players with an aim to cut it down to 18 for Season 3. Reason being is some teams have exactly 20 or more than 20 players and it would be unfair for those teams to make such vast cuts especially if they planned to acquire free agents during the off season.

- Squad makeup (E.g. is it okay if team A was to own 5 keepers or Team B to own 15 Batsmen)
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« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2016, 04:36:43 PM »

- Player Poaching
Unfortunately my efforts at spreadsheeting the T20 competition wasn't very useful for looking at which players played games but weren't named. And in truth it's probably best to avoid using those numbers as most teams use their T20 contracted players anyway.

For the basis of decided when a "player is named" the numbers I will use below will have guys named as emergencies as not counting. If we proceed with a poaching system emergencies may count as being named players.

So, here are some players worth using as examples.

One Day Cup
Charlie Hemphrey - named 0 times/played 3 games, avg: 39.33 (WA)
Marnus Labuschagne - 0/3, 6.33
Jimmy Peirson - 0/5, 16.60 (VIC)
Matt Dixon - 0/4, 52.50
Will Bosisto - 0/6, 28.50 (QLD)
Seb Gotch - 0/6, 17.83
Simon Milenko - 0/4, 20.50

Nathan Reardon - 3/6, 78.33
Shane Watson - 0/3, 45.00 (NSW)
Alex Ross - 0/6, 34.17 (ACT)
Andrew Fekete - 3/6, 57.83
Andrew Tye - 2/5, 79.40
Xavier Doherty - 0/6, 54.16
Scott Boland - 0/5, 48.80
Dominic Michael - 2/6, 64.17 (NT)
Hilton Cartwright - 0/5, 53.80
Alex Gregory - 0/5, 7.40

Ryan Lees - 0/3, 28.33
Clive Rose - 0/4, 40.25
Ed Cowan - 0/5, 61.2 (SA)
Gary Putland - 0/4, 34.75


All these players were not named in at least 3 matches of the OD Cup. The ones in red were not named in at least 4 matches.

First Class Shield
Dan Worrall - 0/5, 103.40 (TAS)
Kelvin Smith - 0/3, 11.00 (SA)
Sam Rainbird - 2/5, 97.40 (ACT)
Chris Tremain - 0/5, 114.00 (VIC)
Beau Webster - 0/5, 117.60

Hamish Kingston - 0/3, 88.00
Ashton Turner - 0/3, 93.67
Gurinder Sandhu - 3/6, 47.67
Matt Renshaw - 2/6, 110.33 (NSW)
Doug Bollinger - 3/6, 97.00
Mark Cosgrove - 3/7, 61.71 (QLD)
Ben Rohrer - 0/6, 43.83

Will Bosisto - 3/6, 57.00
Sam Heazlett - 1/6, 101.67
Rob Quiney - 4/7, 75.00 (NT)
Simon Mackin - 0/3, 119.67
Fawad Ahmed - 3/7, 84.57
Clint McKay - 0/3, 47.33

And there is everyone that hasn't been named for at least 3 shield matches despite playing in them.
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« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2016, 09:43:17 PM »

- Player Poaching (Part 2)
The biggest issue with this is determining which players are not being used. Let's look at some examples of the players above:

Chris Tremain - VIC
Hasn't been named from 5 matches in the Shield. I don't believe he played in the OD Cup. He was named in 3/6 Rounds for the T20 Trophy (Unsure if the Gades had any bye rounds there but he played every game for them). Imo a player like this would be one of those that can be poached, expecially when you consider his Shield average which includes a 0 from the game that was washed out on Day 1.

Alex Ross - ACT
Jayman did not name Alex Ross for any of the 6 games where he could've named him in the OD Cup. There are many reasons for why this may be the case, but look after the OD Cup. Ross has been named for 6/7 Shield Matches and from was also named in each match he played in the T20 Trophy (Also captained too). Does a player like this deserve to be put up for poaching? I believe they do not.

Will Bosisto - QLD
Played the entire OD Cup (For the CAXI) and wasn't named once (probably rightly so only had 1 good game) and has been named in 3 of his last 4 Shield matches after putting up some good numbers. He's a young player that will improve and the Koalas have taken steps to name him where possible I feel without comprimising their team strength, but he also has only been named 3/12 times when you look at the raw numbers. Where do you draw the line? You can put Heazlett and Renshaw in this group as well.

Clint McKay - NT
Hasn't been named for any of the 3 Shield matches he has played. He didn't get a game during the OD Cup because of the returning Aussie internationals, but he is a T20 specialist (Just noticed he barely got named for that as well so maybe this case he would be in trouble). But say there was a player which was a T20 specialist (Even Andrew Tye who failed the OD requirements) who doesn't get named for their D6s side in the longer forms but plays the shortest form. And I said above to exclude the short form stuff from our calculations. Does a player like that deserve to be poached? He plays a big role for the side


As usual I would really like some input on this stuff the earlier we sort it out the better. Once we have an idea on what will need to happen for a player to be poachable, then we can work out how to actually poach the player.
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« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2016, 11:22:45 PM »

I think players should have to be a certain age (23/24) before they can be poached. I mean, surely it's fair enough not playing a 20yo week in week out is normal.

Also, CAXI shouldn't count as game time  :P
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« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2016, 04:08:32 AM »

I agree with the 23/24 rule, I think it would help too if the teams had one "Right to Match/Block" card like they used to in the IPL, like if someone wanted to poach McKay from me and I wanted to keep him for T20 purposes, I could use the card to stop them, say by adding another 50% to his salary where as if he goes he goes for the price paid
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« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2016, 09:48:25 AM »

I agree with the 23/24 rule, I think it would help too if the teams had one "Right to Match/Block" card like they used to in the IPL, like if someone wanted to poach McKay from me and I wanted to keep him for T20 purposes, I could use the card to stop them, say by adding another 50% to his salary where as if he goes he goes for the price paid
Yeah I was thinking of some kind of payment which lets the team keep hold of the player as well.

Didn't think of age though, that's a good one.
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« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2016, 11:17:53 AM »

So how about this then:

Any player aged 24 or over at the start of a season (1st October just to pick a date) is eligible to be poached at seasons end providing either:
- During the Matador Cup (assuming the current format stays for next season) they are not named in 4 or more of the games they play.
- During the Sheffield Shield they are not named in 4 or more of the games they play.
- During BOTH compeitions they play 3 more games than they are named for.
(Note: A player named as an emergency WILL COUNT as having been named for their D6s side, even if they are not required on field)

If a player meets one of these then the current manager has the option to pay $100,000 to hold onto the player, otherwise he will join the free agents pool for the next season where he will be available to every manager



The effect I expect it will have:
This should be the final piece to the equalisation puzzle I feel. So instead of a full poaching system where teams can take player directly, they go into the open market for everyone. This will increase the interest in the pre-season auction, make teams put some focus on giving some lesser players a run (or at least chuck them at E3)

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« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2016, 04:44:05 PM »

So how about this then:

Any player aged 24 or over at the start of a season (1st October just to pick a date) is eligible to be poached at seasons end providing either:
- During the Matador Cup (assuming the current format stays for next season) they are not named in 4 or more of the games they play.
- During the Sheffield Shield they are not named in 4 or more of the games they play.
- During BOTH compeitions they play 3 more games than they are named for.
(Note: A player named as an emergency WILL COUNT as having been named for their D6s side, even if they are not required on field)

If a player meets one of these then the current manager has the option to pay $100,000 to hold onto the player, otherwise he will join the free agents pool for the next season where he will be available to every manager



The effect I expect it will have:
This should be the final piece to the equalisation puzzle I feel. So instead of a full poaching system where teams can take player directly, they go into the open market for everyone. This will increase the interest in the pre-season auction, make teams put some focus on giving some lesser players a run (or at least chuck them at E3)

Thoughts?
I like this idea a lot, those who aren't used should go open market.
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« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2016, 11:14:48 PM »

It would certainly be easier than finding a system which allows players to be privately poached.

It also allows for stratgic plays where the manager who owns the player can choose to let him go (not pay the $100k fee) but then try to re-purchase him for a cheaper price.
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« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2016, 01:45:28 PM »

I like it, brings a lot of strategy into the game
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« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2016, 06:48:46 PM »

- Performance review for managers
This is going to be really difficult because as stated I think we are short on numbers as it is. I might leave this discussion to last.
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« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2016, 06:59:09 PM »

- Ability to keep the same T20 Contract players without going through the auction
So I was thinking if you were to purchase a player through the T20 Auction, that come the next season you have the option to hold that player for say, 50% of what you paid for him the previous season (And let that continue to drop each successive season). And we can each do this up to two times a season.

Season 1 auction has no bearing on this, so the S2 auction will be all in, then from S3 we can do the buy back process.

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« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2016, 07:22:16 PM »

I think it's good but there should be a limit of just one carry over player per season imo.
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« Reply #43 on: February 26, 2016, 09:55:10 AM »

- Ability to keep the same T20 Contract players without going through the auction
So I was thinking if you were to purchase a player through the T20 Auction, that come the next season you have the option to hold that player for say, 50% of what you paid for him the previous season (And let that continue to drop each successive season). And we can each do this up to two times a season.

Season 1 auction has no bearing on this, so the S2 auction will be all in, then from S3 we can do the buy back process.

Thoughts?

I'm less enthused on that idea to be honest. I like the idea of keeping a a T20 Contract but I don't think he should be discounted. I mean sure you have one less spot to play with but if you discount you're just adding money to what is already a bloated team's bidding budget because they have one less player. Again I think to open up strategy you give players the option to hold their player at what they paid or throw him back and try and get him cheaper.

Or like nrich said limit it to one keeper. Because based on this season if the same teams existed (I know S2 is all in but I'm just making an example) if I knew I had a 50% discount. I'd keep my 3 internationals and with two slots on any new ones I'd just bid 300k+ on them
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« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2016, 02:30:39 PM »

- Player Poaching (Final decision)
Any player aged 24 or over at the start of a season (1st October just to pick a date) is eligible to be poached at seasons end providing either:
- During the Matador Cup (assuming the current format stays for next season) they are not named in 3 of the games they play.
- During the Sheffield Shield they are not named in 4 or more of the games they play.
(Note: A player named as an emergency WILL COUNT as having been named for their D6s side, even if they are not required on field)

If a player meets one of these then the current manager has the option to pay $100,000 to hold onto the player, otherwise he will join the free agents pool for the next season where he will be available to every manager.




Slight change as I forgot that the Matador Cup only had 3 minor rounds, the data above was from the whols comp. In finals teams shouldn't have to worry about making sure their players all get a game.
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