British XV's - 2015 Discussion Thread

[Spite]

I'll also add that I'm not trying to gang up on you or anything Spite, just want to know if there are any decent reasons not to use UF

Sure GL. We have traded and used movements based on the positions of the players we had and which players were available. For example, trading for Geary because he was the 21st best defender etc and we think he is worth this price. If theres more defenders added, then we have overpaid for him.

Thats just an example.

We could have thrown the house with picks and all at Goddard if we knew he was going to get def status too. It's just a big change to happen after we have done a draft and trade period.

Bear in mind also this may assist teams that have been effected by the WADA suspensions.

How so?

Will those teams get less "rewards" if we go to a top up player draft?

I know it helps whoever has Goddard...

For Heavens sake stop trying to side track this discussion by bringing in other factors and not sticking to the facts.  the Stanton and Heppell will be addressed with the mini draft as decided so no need to bring them into this discussion.

Only trying to work out which DPP we use and the consensus so far is go with UF with players locked at Round 1.

Ringo I find your comment quite unnecessary, I know you're running the league but you started the side discussion then preceded to tell me off for it.

[kilbluff1985]

If its no extra work why not just leave as is though? We have always used CD possies in this comp, why change it? It was used for the original fantasy comp that this XV comp was based on

we have always used CD positions because sportal or whoever we used they used CD positions now we have UF scoring is why we should match there positions

[Ringo]

We are still in Trade period 2 so you can still trade.

Point taken on side issue but the point I was making it will help some teams who have been previously disadvantaged but not all. Did not want to start the Suspended players discussion again that was the purpose of my comment.

[Spite]

That was because Sportal used CD now we are changing to UF we should be governed by them.  None of you have been involved in Admin to know how much has been involved over the years. If you want to use CD then go to the other xvs.  We have an opportunity to get something unique and because you do not benefit you seem to be against every enhancement we try to do to make the competition fairer. So you need to consider the whole competition not the Hedgehogs which I as administrator do.

JB you have not read the whole discussion on this as it was my original suggestion tto try and keep the admin job a little easier.

That's quite rich Ringo, have a look over at EXV and see what's going on there.

I feel like most of your suggestions after your original post have seemingly targeted me too.

If you'd like another example of what I organise for the forum, have a look at the front bar ultimate footy thread. I also run a keepers EPL league by myself for others.

Also your response to JB is quite mean. I think he did read it and he gave his opinion and you shut it down because you didn't agree with it. There was nothing he said that showed he hadn't read through the thread.

[GoLions]

I'll also add that I'm not trying to gang up on you or anything Spite, just want to know if there are any decent reasons not to use UF

Sure GL. We have traded and used movements based on the positions of the players we had and which players were available. For example, trading for Geary because he was the 21st best defender etc and we think he is worth this price. If theres more defenders added, then we have overpaid for him.

Thats just an example.

We could have thrown the house with picks and all at Goddard if we knew he was going to get def status too. It's just a big change to happen after we have done a draft and trade period.

Well to be fair, you made that trade wayyyy before positions were released
Also, I don't feel that Geary dropping 2 spots in the defender list is that big a deal. Also, he would've gone up with Hurley, Hooker, and Hibberd losing it I assume, so all in all he gains 1 position, yes?

And you have like 14 movements to go after any player you want. I have plenty of defenders if you'd like to start talks again of a possible trade. I'm sure others are happy to trade as well, particularly anyone with excess midfielders after you lost Stanton.

[nrich102]

We don't even need discussion on this, it should be Ringos decision with whatever makes it easiest for him.

Also your response to JB is quite mean. I think he did read it and he gave his opinion and you shut it down because you didn't agree with it. There was nothing he said that showed he hadn't read through the thread.

Did you actually read what he wrote? Pretty clear he didn't read it

[kilbluff1985]

feel like people are really over analyzing peoples posts

[Ringo]

Fair enough if you feel that way Spite but I am only trying to answer your objections to going to UF which I am strongly in favour of now that the decision was made to go that way.

[Ricochet]

That was because Sportal used CD now we are changing to UF we should be governed by them.  None of you have been involved in Admin to know how much has been involved over the years. If you want to use CD then go to the other xvs.  We have an opportunity to get something unique and because you do not benefit you seem to be against every enhancement we try to do to make the competition fairer. So you need to consider the whole competition not the Hedgehogs which I as administrator do.

JB you have not read the whole discussion on this as it was my original suggestion tto try and keep the admin job a little easier.

I'm one of the admins for AXV Ringo....


It was just a genuine question. If it isn't any extra work why do we need to make a change? I'm not against enhancing the comp, i'm against changes that affect to core of the comp that most of us have been apart of for ages.

[Spite]

I'll also add that I'm not trying to gang up on you or anything Spite, just want to know if there are any decent reasons not to use UF

Sure GL. We have traded and used movements based on the positions of the players we had and which players were available. For example, trading for Geary because he was the 21st best defender etc and we think he is worth this price. If theres more defenders added, then we have overpaid for him.

Thats just an example.

We could have thrown the house with picks and all at Goddard if we knew he was going to get def status too. It's just a big change to happen after we have done a draft and trade period.

And you have like 14 movements to go after any player you want. I have plenty of defenders if you'd like to start talks again of a possible trade. I'm sure others are happy to trade as well, particularly anyone with excess midfielders after you lost Stanton.

Sure we could have but we would like to add picks into a trade with a player to improve on the said player. It completely hampers our trading opportunities because we have to fork out more for the same player.

[nrich102]

Come on mate, just cause something doesn't benefit your team it doesn't mean it's bad for the comp.

[Nige]

None of you have been involved in Admin to know how much has been involved over the years. If you want to use CD then go to the other xvs.

That's a really poor and unnecessarily aggressive comment.

Having been involved in admin work for two comps and assisting another two in the past, I know it's not easy.

On the actual matter, I'm not overly fussed what happens anymore. I've conceded that my season is well and truly cooked regardless of what happens.

I think Rico said it best re: the discussion at hand though.

I'm not against enhancing the comp, i'm against changes that affect to core of the comp that most of us have been apart of for ages.

[Ringo]

It will be extra work for me to verify the teams being played each week. With UF everything is able to be done within that platform each week (with the exception of HGA) so is very easy.  Do not want the added task of verifying that there have been no players playing out of position which can not happen under UF. You use Sportsbet in AXV which translates across CD. If Sportsbet had their own DPP what would you do would you want to do a heap of stuff offline just to continue CD.

[Spite]

Use CDs position none of this bullshower UF positions. Just trust that Goddard and Griffens owners play them as mids.

Funny how it is the Goddard and a Griffen owners that are most keen for this .

We don't even need discussion on this, it should be Ringos decision with whatever makes it easiest for him.

Also your response to JB is quite mean. I think he did read it and he gave his opinion and you shut it down because you didn't agree with it. There was nothing he said that showed he hadn't read through the thread.

Did you actually read what he wrote? Pretty clear he didn't read it

1) You agree with Ringo, so of course you're going to say that. So I'm going to dismiss this comment straight off the bat.

2) Where does it show that JB didn't read the thread? Did you not read my comments initially? I said the same thing about trusting the owners of Goddard and Griffen to play them as mids only and he was supporting what I was saying.

Fair enough if you feel that way Spite but I am only trying to answer your objections to going to UF which I am strongly in favour of now that the decision was made to go that way.

I feel like you have the responsibility of posing the question to everyone, but not actively push for your agenda. Let other people discuss it and hear what everyone has to say before giving your opinion because basically you've caused it to be more one sided than it probably is in reality. This can clearly be seen as Nrich said "We don't even need discussion on this, it should be Ringos decision with whatever makes it easiest for him. " because this is the easiest way for him to also get what he wants. I'd rather have had him join in on this discussion than jumping to that comment, as the easy way out of the discussion.

[Spite]

It will be extra work for me to verify the teams being played each week. With UF everything is able to be done within that platform each week (with the exception of HGA) so is very easy.  Do not want the added task of verifying that there have been no players playing out of position which can not happen under UF. You use Sportsbet in AXV which translates across CD. If Sportsbet had their own DPP what would you do would you want to do a heap of stuff offline just to continue CD.

Let me ask - from the 13 different positions, how many are fantasy relevant? Because that is the number that really counts. I'm sure people won't cheat and play them out of position and then you won't have any extra work to do at all, you don't need to verify teams.