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« Reply #465 on: January 22, 2016, 12:40:03 AM »

We will be using a the customised scoring system in UF. Clangers and UP taken out.

This is what is currently proposed.

Stat    Description   
KI    Kicks         3pts
HB    Handballs      1pt
MA    Marks      3pts
HO    Hitouts      1pt
TK    Tackles        3pts
FF    Free Kicks For    1pt
FA    Free Kicks Against    - 3pt       
GL    Goals       6pts
BH    Behinds       1pt
ED    Effective Disposals    2pts
CP    Contested Possessions  4pts
SP    Spoils     2pts
CL    Clearances     2pts

There has been some discussion on F/A.  There is the option of scoring a Free Kick Differential.  Do we want to go this way with a multiplier or just keep as above.  If you want a multiplier need to suggest.  Not really a fan as certain players always seem to be on the favourable end of free kick count Selwood and Christensen come to mind so if using this they would be favoured depending on multiplier.

Thanks Ringo!

Not too worried either is fine with me, can't imagine it would make a huge difference :)
It actually kinda does in comparison to what we currently have. Using a free kick differential with a multiplier is effectively the same as having both FF and FA worth that multiplier. So basically, you're either making FF worth a lot more, or FA worth a lot less.

E.g. 10 frees for, 9 frees against, multiplier of 3, gives a player 3 points.
But with what we currently have, that would make a player lose 17 points. So a total difference of 20 points.

I much prefer to stick with what we currently have.
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« Reply #466 on: January 22, 2016, 12:45:13 AM »

We will be using a the customised scoring system in UF. Clangers and UP taken out.

This is what is currently proposed.

Stat    Description   
KI    Kicks         3pts
HB    Handballs      1pt
MA    Marks      3pts
HO    Hitouts      1pt
TK    Tackles        3pts
FF    Free Kicks For    1pt
FA    Free Kicks Against    - 3pt       
GL    Goals       6pts
BH    Behinds       1pt
ED    Effective Disposals    2pts
CP    Contested Possessions  4pts
SP    Spoils     2pts
CL    Clearances     2pts

There has been some discussion on F/A.  There is the option of scoring a Free Kick Differential.  Do we want to go this way with a multiplier or just keep as above.  If you want a multiplier need to suggest.  Not really a fan as certain players always seem to be on the favourable end of free kick count Selwood and Christensen come to mind so if using this they would be favoured depending on multiplier.

Thanks Ringo!

Not too worried either is fine with me, can't imagine it would make a huge difference :)
It actually kinda does in comparison to what we currently have. Using a free kick differential with a multiplier is effectively the same as having both FF and FA worth that multiplier. So basically, you're either making FF worth a lot more, or FA worth a lot less.

E.g. 10 frees for, 9 frees against, multiplier of 3, gives a player 3 points.
But with what we currently have, that would make a player lose 17 points. So a total difference of 20 points.

I much prefer to stick with what we currently have.

yeah, too complex for me ;) Either ones fine with me hahaha
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« Reply #467 on: January 22, 2016, 01:33:38 PM »

Hey BXV, a bit of shameless advertising going on here, as we need to find a new admin for the AXV competition.

I have to announce that I intend to step down as AXV administrator. It's been great to run the competition for the last couple of seasons, but unfortunately in the coming year I will not have the time to commit to running the competition on a weekly basis, and making it the best it can be. I do intend to remain as coach of the Manila Folders. Ricochet my assistant admin does a great job, but he too lacks the time to run the competition on his own.

So far we haven't had any members of the current AXV community who have the time to and are willing to take over to run the competition, which is entirely understandable as it is quite an extensive role. So we are now extending to ask the wider FF community if there are any coaches out there interested in taking over the primary administrator position of the competition. It is quite an involved position, but it is great fun, and a way to get even further involved in fantasy football. We still have a couple of months to go before the season proper starts, so there is plenty of time for a new member to come into the position and get settled. I will be more than happy to help out the new coach and show them the ropes, and show them how the weekly running of the competition functions.

So if anyone is interested, please send a short application to myself and Ric as to why you believe you should gain the position of competition admin. As we haven't had any current AXV Coaches wishing to take on the role, we are willing to look at someone who is not a current head coach to take on this role. Its great fun to do, so send me a message if you think you might be interested and want some more details.
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« Reply #468 on: January 22, 2016, 02:44:00 PM »

Just a quick one. We will be able to change player's positions to CD positions in UF eg: remove Goddard def to be mid only.

There is an option to do so in the PLUS ($40 annual fee per league) but I am sure I will be able to get this done as a favour.
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« Reply #469 on: January 22, 2016, 02:47:56 PM »

From UF...

What if our league doesn't agree with the positions changes?

You can either Lock Original Positions as mentioned above, or alternatively use the Edit Player Positions tool available to Features PLUS leagues to customise player positions on an individual basis.
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« Reply #470 on: January 22, 2016, 02:55:25 PM »

Thanks Rids but all being well going forward and as we will continue to use UF, as long as they keep going, will stick to their positions. It is only 13 players that are different.  Concern for the future as I get older I loose track of the original and forget to amend each year.
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« Reply #471 on: January 22, 2016, 03:56:32 PM »

From UF...

What if our league doesn't agree with the positions changes?

You can either Lock Original Positions as mentioned above, or alternatively use the Edit Player Positions tool available to Features PLUS leagues to customise player positions on an individual basis.

Lock original positions isn't the same as removing goddards def to mid? Could you explain this further please?
Using lock original positions would be need to manually search and edit players positions or would it just do it in one big heap?
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« Reply #472 on: January 22, 2016, 04:13:26 PM »

From UF...

What if our league doesn't agree with the positions changes?

You can either Lock Original Positions as mentioned above, or alternatively use the Edit Player Positions tool available to Features PLUS leagues to customise player positions on an individual basis.

Lock original positions isn't the same as removing goddards def to mid? Could you explain this further please?
Using lock original positions would be need to manually search and edit players positions or would it just do it in one big heap?



You can customise an individual's position. So you can edit Goddard from a UF def/mid to anything you want. Mid only, fwd only, def/fwd etc
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« Reply #473 on: January 22, 2016, 04:21:48 PM »

From UF...

What if our league doesn't agree with the positions changes?

You can either Lock Original Positions as mentioned above, or alternatively use the Edit Player Positions tool available to Features PLUS leagues to customise player positions on an individual basis.

Lock original positions isn't the same as removing goddards def to mid? Could you explain this further please?
Using lock original positions would be need to manually search and edit players positions or would it just do it in one big heap?



You can customise an individual's position. So you can edit Goddard from a UF def/mid to anything you want. Mid only, fwd only, def/fwd etc

Ah right sorry I mis-read.

I still would like to know Ringo, how many out of the 13 different DPPs are fantasy relevant players?
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« Reply #474 on: January 22, 2016, 04:26:01 PM »

The extra UF positions are as per below:

Ryan Griffen (WS – C) – Add B
Sam Colquhoun (PA – C) – Add B
Adam Oxley (CW – C) – Add B
Tendai Mzungu (FR – C) – Add B
Jarrad Grant (GC – C) – Add F
Brendon Ah Chee (PA – C) – Add F
Tom Bell (BL – F) – Add C
Danny Stanley (GC – F) – Add B
David Mackay (AD – C) – Add B
Matt Jones (ME – F) – Add C
Sam Mayes (BL – B) – Add C
Allen Christensen (BL – F) – Add C
Brendon Goddard (ES – C) – Add B

They can be found here - http://footyprophet.com/exclusive-ultimate-footy-2016-position-update/

I personally think all of the above are justified amendments btw.
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« Reply #475 on: January 22, 2016, 04:27:45 PM »

So if we can change them back to normal easy enough, why wouldn't we just do that??
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« Reply #476 on: January 22, 2016, 04:31:09 PM »

So if we can change them back to normal easy enough, why wouldn't we just do that??

why bother ......... good luck to the coaches that have them
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« Reply #477 on: January 22, 2016, 04:33:16 PM »

Here are the 13 from the article:
Ryan Griffen (WS – C) – Add B

One of the most controversial omissions of the initial release, the Giants’ midfielder retains the back status he gained during 2015 for AFL Fantasy. With a likely increase in numbers through the midfield, Griffen now becomes very appealing on draft day.

Sam Colquhoun (PA – C) – Add B

Playing six games in 2015, the running Power defender rightly retains his back-status. If he can break into the Port side for Round 1, he could be a handy late-round pickup after scoring 80+ in half of his games last season.

Adam Oxley (CW – C) – Add B

Oxley had a great year in 2015, but his scores were inconsistent due to a certain red vest that kept being handed to him. Now confirmed as a defender for this season, Oxley could be a great pickup given the sub rule is no more. Has a non-vested-average of an outstanding 86.3 and could benefit with extra game time.

Tendai Mzungu (FR – C) – Add B

As a pure midfielder, Mzungu didn’t offer much appeal to many fantasy coaches – averaging just 66.1 in 2015 due to injury and form woes. Available once again as a defender in Ultimate Footy, he could become another great pickup late in drafts should he return to his former 75+ average.

Jarrad Grant (GC – C) – Add F

Grant gained a fair bit of opportunity in 2015, however still averaged just 58.7 points per game. With the Suns looking to improve another level, it’s hard to see Jarrad Grant becoming any more relevant in Ultimate Footy – regardless of his added forward-status at a new club.

Brendon Ah Chee (PA – C) – Add F

The mature-aged Ah Chee broke through for 11 games at Port in 2015, showing potential late with a last-four game average of 95 points. As a mid-forward in Ultimate Footy, he could prove handy depth should he start the season in the seniors and shake off the missing vest this year.

Tom Bell (BL – F) – Add C

The bullocking midfielder had a true breakout season for Carlton last year, and moved home to Queensland with an 88.8 average in tow. Set to be a regular in the Lions’ engine room, its only right he retains Dual-Position status.

Danny Stanley (GC – F) – Add B

With spots in the Suns’ side wide open, Stanley struggled with injury and form to play just eight games for a 57.7 average in 2015. Now with F/B status, he offers flexibility but it appears a high-scoring fantasy role in the Gold Coast side just isn’t there for him anymore unlike previous years.

David Mackay (AD – C) – Add B

Aside from a one-off, 130-point score against Melbourne in Round 3 last year, it was yet another demonstration of why Mackay isn’t super relevant as a fantasy player. Back status is nice and convenient, but it doesn’t change much in the grand scheme of things.

Matt Jones (ME – F) – Add C

After two solid years, Jones’ was barely sighted in 2015. Moving forward, it’s unlikely that he features much in the Melbourne seniors – making him a non-event in fantasy circles. However, if he can crack the Dees 22 and get back to his 2014 best, he could be handy if his output increases inside 50.

Sam Mayes (BL – B) – Add C

Already a defender, the addition of mid-status doesn’t overly improve Mayes’ relevance. However with many tipping him to make big gains in 2016, he could add flexibility in deeper leagues.

Allen Christensen (BL – F) – Add C

Relocating to Queensland proved to be a great move by Christensen, having his most consistent season yet in 2015. Retaining his status as a forward-midfielder, we can expect to see more rotations through the middle from the talented Lion – something that will likely see a bump in overall average.

Brendon Goddard (ES – C) – Add B

In news that will bring big smiles to Ultimate Footy coaches around Australia, Brendon Goddard will once again don the β€˜DEF’ tag and Dual-Position status in 2016. With recent events likely to see him take on a bigger role in the midfield, this update is a welcome surprise and catapults Goddard into first or second round calculations. This could also affect keeper leagues with a switch from forward to backline.

So as you can see only a few may effect us overall hence why I would like to go with UF all the way. Goddard, Christensen and Griffen with maybe Oxley and Ah Chee the most relevant.
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« Reply #478 on: January 22, 2016, 04:42:40 PM »

I'd like to know how UF actually does their positioning. Rids/Ringo, would one of you guys be able to find that out?
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« Reply #479 on: January 22, 2016, 04:49:20 PM »

I'd like to know how UF actually does their positioning. Rids/Ringo, would one of you guys be able to find that out?

What criteria is used when deciding on new positions?

There are several factors used to determine whether a player should gain position eligibility. A player must be deemed to meet all of them in order to successfully be awarded a new position.

1. The player must have played "primarily" in the new position over the last 3 rounds.

Primarily means at least 70% of game time and does not apply to players who may split duties between two positions. For example in 2012 Cox and Naitinui were ruck-eligible only despite sharing ruck and forward duties in a 50-50 split. Since neither played the majority of their games forward neither qualified for a change.

2. The player must be expected to continue to "primarily" play in this position on an ongoing basis.

Not only do they need to have been playing in a new position, they need to be expected to continue playing this position for the foreseeable future. Players playing out of position temporarily to cover injuries do not qualify under this condition.

3. There must be clear and obvious evidence of the player playing primarily in a new position.

We try to gather as much visual evidence as possible but also check several statistical measures to support any changes. Statistics such as inside 50's, rebound 50's, centre clearances, "score-rate" (percentage of disposals that result in a score) and hitouts are all looked at to provide further evidence of a players role.

If there are any doubts around the points above we may opt to wait another 3 weeks before making a change in order to gather more evidence.

What factors are NOT considered when determining changes?

There are also several factors we do not consider when making a change, such as:

Players are assessed individually and not relative to any other players. So even if player X is a Centre and plays more time forward than player Y who is a Centre/Forward this is not grounds to make a change.
Positions players are eligible in other fantasy games. Initial positions are set independently from any other competitions and so are any changes that are made.
These factors do not necessarily mean a player is eligible as per the above criteria so are not considered.
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