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« on: December 18, 2015, 01:17:12 PM »

I don't see what the huge is fuss is about ruck cover tbh. I feel like I am seeing a lot of teams willing to lose points just so they can have Leuy at F4.

Would love your thoughts on it.
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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2015, 01:21:26 PM »

Just depends on if your willing to burn a trade or not. If you start someone like Nic nat he is guaranteed to miss a game or 2 somewhere. Rucks have proven to be prone to injury more so than other players. someone like goldy is okay. He seems to get out a season mostly. If you started Martin and Goldy together, id see no reason to have Luey in r4. But if you had a combo like Nicnat, Sandi. id be wanting tio have that r4...

Im still undecided how ill set up my rucks but
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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2015, 01:24:13 PM »

Just depends on if your willing to burn a trade or not. If you start someone like Nic nat he is guaranteed to miss a game or 2 somewhere. Rucks have proven to be prone to injury more so than other players. someone like goldy is okay. He seems to get out a season mostly. If you started Martin and Goldy together, id see no reason to have Luey in r4. But if you had a combo like Nicnat, Sandi. id be wanting tio have that r4...

Im still undecided how ill set up my rucks but
I'm currently going Nic Nat who was fit all year from memory but missed games because he was mourning his mothers death and Leuy at R2 who will be traded to Goldy ASAP.
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2015, 01:29:37 PM »

Leuey will score well and rise in value regardless of the position you play him in. Having him in the forward line just gives you the extra option of covering an injured ruck if needed. You will also need decent cover on your forward line bench to cover Leuey if he's needed to cover an injured ruckman. If you start Leuey in your forward line you either need to find another value ruckman for your rucks or you go a 2 premo ruck, depends what structure you want to go with.
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2015, 01:30:31 PM »

You dont need to cover Goldy.

So its only one spot you need to worry about
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2015, 01:32:55 PM »

I don't see what the huge is fuss is about ruck cover tbh. I feel like I am seeing a lot of teams willing to lose points just so they can have Leuy at F4.

Would love your thoughts on it.

How is it losing points?

A 300k player who can average 90-100 and provide ruck cover to save a trade/s

Remember, when you are perceived to lose points somewhere, you're generally making them up in another line.
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2015, 01:35:42 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2015, 01:40:58 PM »

I don't see what the huge is fuss is about ruck cover tbh. I feel like I am seeing a lot of teams willing to lose points just so they can have Leuy at F4.

Would love your thoughts on it.

How is it losing points?

A 300k player who can average 90-100 and provide ruck cover to save a trade/s

Remember, when you are perceived to lose points somewhere, you're generally making them up in another line.

Leuy and another mid pricer
Lids and a rookie

I feel like Lids and the rookie would score more! I guess that's just my opinion.

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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2015, 01:53:26 PM »

I don't see what the huge is fuss is about ruck cover tbh. I feel like I am seeing a lot of teams willing to lose points just so they can have Leuy at F4.

Would love your thoughts on it.

How is it losing points?

A 300k player who can average 90-100 and provide ruck cover to save a trade/s

Remember, when you are perceived to lose points somewhere, you're generally making them up in another line.

Leuy and another mid pricer
Lids and a rookie

I feel like Lids and the rookie would score more! I guess that's just my opinion.

You're just focussing on the forward line. We are all generally able to start with about 14ish prems each year, so it doesn't matter what line they are on.

Luey and Crouch or Lids? See :)
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2015, 02:12:22 PM »

I don't see what the huge is fuss is about ruck cover tbh. I feel like I am seeing a lot of teams willing to lose points just so they can have Leuy at F4.

Would love your thoughts on it.

How is it losing points?

A 300k player who can average 90-100 and provide ruck cover to save a trade/s

Remember, when you are perceived to lose points somewhere, you're generally making them up in another line.

Leuy and another mid pricer
Lids and a rookie

I feel like Lids and the rookie would score more! I guess that's just my opinion.

You're just focussing on the forward line. We are all generally able to start with about 14ish prems each year, so it doesn't matter what line they are on.

Luey and Crouch or Lids? See :)
That's true!
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2015, 02:17:08 PM »

It's not so much about picking ruck cover at all costs as it is identifying that there are a couple of really good value DPP rucks at the moment who could be considered for a spot in the forward line based on their output alone. If you consider that rucks are generally the hardest line to replace/upgrade, you should also consider how the F4 ruck will strengthen your ruck line.

I feel like Leuey would give away 5-10 ppg max to any player that's under 500k in the forward line at the moment, which is really all you can consider for F4. If he can do that for 300k, he's in. If he can do that for 300k, and save me 100 points at some stage when one of my rucks goes down for a week, he's a lock.

I didn't start ruck cover last year and it's by far my biggest regret. Had I have had Bellchambers at F4 and not at R2, I would have finished much higher than what I did.
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2015, 04:14:35 PM »

Really depends on your starting rucks. If you're picking Luey as a ruckmen or someone else injury prone then ruck cover is probably good insurance for the games your R1 or R2 may miss. Last year I steered clear of Belly and went with no ruck cover and all went well till Goldy missed a game in our Grandfinal. My ruck combo this year will be 2 out of Goldy Martin or NicNat. I'll play Luey in the fwd line not because I want ruck cover but it's a bonus that he can cover for me, the main reason for having him in the fwd line is he's dpp and he's cheap as chips for what he can produce rucking alone, he'll either be a stepping stone to a gun mid or a gun fwd/mid or stay pretty much the whole year as F7/R3 cover swapping with a rookie on my ruck bench that has dpp.
He'll make good coin if he stays fit long enough so for me it's a gamble worth taking. You're seeing him in alot of teams because he is a cheap fwd option who can score not because people want him as ruck cover necessarily but it's bonus that he can cover should you lose a ruckmen for a week or two through injury. So theres 2 reasons you can pick him.

1) Cheap fwd option that can score well and be used as stepping stone to a prem wherever you may need one.
2) Cheap enough to eventually sit on your bench when your fwd line is full and provide good cover for your fwd's and rucks.

I personally wouldn't pick him as a R1 or R2 without cover because he is injury prone and if he happened to go down early your going to need to do a fair bit of trading to get him to a Gun Ruckmen that will be a top 3-4 ruckmen or trade in a ruckmen you don't really want because he's cheap enough to do it in one trade and you'll probably burn another trade later getting a Gun Ruck in to compete for finals, rank etc.
If you sit him in your fwd line you can bench him till he's right or trade him to a rookie for the cash and upgrade another, alot less risky in my eyes.

I don't see what the huge is fuss is about ruck cover tbh. I feel like I am seeing a lot of teams willing to lose points just so they can have Leuy at F4.

Would love your thoughts on it.

I don't see where were loosing points having him at F4, he can score very well, great for a bloke priced at 300k (bargain) and allows coaches to strengthen another line with the money saved, where are we loosing points mate. it's more like we're making points than loosing them i think. Yes other fwd lines may outscore ours if they can squeeze a gun fwd in at F4 but we will outscore them on another line so it's six of one and half a dozen of another.
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2015, 05:41:51 PM »

Basically my reasoning is as follows:

Even the premium rucks from last year missed games including Goldy, Jacobs and Martin.  Fair enough the bye after Round 22 may stop some though. So if you want to save a trade for these that miss one or 2 then a back up Ruck is essential. At this stage of the season hard to see which rookies may get games as a ruck so hence why I am starting Berger at F4 at the moment. He will score as well as any F4 (unless you have a stacked forward line) and if he stays healthy could be a keeper to sit at F6 to give cover. Also have the option to downgrade to a rookie ruck who starts getting games and make cash.
In my case by starting Martin and Jacobs I can have King at R3 to give me a perfect loophole as well.  So i egt the best of both worlds a back up ruck when required and the perfect loophole player with the number of Sunday Games melbourne play.

Do not see either how lose to many points by having Berger at F4. Need to consider the effect in the total team structure and points.
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2015, 06:49:49 PM »

Basically my reasoning is as follows:

Even the premium rucks from last year missed games including Goldy, Jacobs and Martin.  Fair enough the bye after Round 22 may stop some though. So if you want to save a trade for these that miss one or 2 then a back up Ruck is essential. At this stage of the season hard to see which rookies may get games as a ruck so hence why I am starting Berger at F4 at the moment. He will score as well as any F4 (unless you have a stacked forward line) and if he stays healthy could be a keeper to sit at F6 to give cover. Also have the option to downgrade to a rookie ruck who starts getting games and make cash.
In my case by starting Martin and Jacobs I can have King at R3 to give me a perfect loophole as well.  So i egt the best of both worlds a back up ruck when required and the perfect loophole player with the number of Sunday Games melbourne play.

Do not see either how lose to many points by having Berger at F4. Need to consider the effect in the total team structure and points.

You mean King at R3 don't you mate ?
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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2015, 06:54:12 PM »

Basically my reasoning is as follows:

Even the premium rucks from last year missed games including Goldy, Jacobs and Martin.  Fair enough the bye after Round 22 may stop some though. So if you want to save a trade for these that miss one or 2 then a back up Ruck is essential. At this stage of the season hard to see which rookies may get games as a ruck so hence why I am starting Berger at F4 at the moment. He will score as well as any F4 (unless you have a stacked forward line) and if he stays healthy could be a keeper to sit at F6 to give cover. Also have the option to downgrade to a rookie ruck who starts getting games and make cash.
In my case by starting Martin and Jacobs I can have King at R3 to give me a perfect loophole as well.  So i egt the best of both worlds a back up ruck when required and the perfect loophole player with the number of Sunday Games melbourne play.

Do not see either how lose to many points by having Berger at F4. Need to consider the effect in the total team structure and points.

You mean King at R3 don't you mate ?
Thanks Grazz being a male should not do two things at once  :D
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