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« on: December 11, 2016, 11:27:07 PM »

Sure to be a hell of a lot of talk about this over the next couple of months

Gawn and Goldy appear to be the set and forget option, but players like Stef, Grundy and even Sauce are getting interest and Sandi will be very popular due to his price

What I'm more interested in is R3

We know that Giles will be WCE main ruck, and is only 280k. What if Vardy (265k) or Witts (217k) get named Round 1? Are they worth spending the extra cash on for R3?

At the moment I have Sandi R2 with Ryder F3, but if Giles or Witts were to line up Rd1 I would seriously consider starting them at R3 and then dumping Ryder from my forward line for someone else

I know there's months to go, but I can't see myself changing from Gawn and Sandi, so for me personally R3 and Ryder in the forwards or not is where my decisions will be I think

What about you?
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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2016, 09:36:47 AM »

In all the years of playing SC I have never nailed the rucks last year I had Goldy and Stef  :'( as for next year Gawn seems a must I think Goldy will lose points to Daw and I don't care how cheap Sandi is I am not getting him he is 34 and a massive unit with a injury plagued past I'm surprised he is still playing , so it's looking like Gawn and Grundy at this stage for me but Grundy is not set in stone
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2016, 10:38:49 AM »

Hoping Sandi finds some form early and makes coin to allow easy upgrade when he gets injured.

There are 3 R/F to cover a week or 2 injuries in Ryder, Tom Boyd and Nankervis at a new club. Will Nankervis be the Number 1 ruck at tigers?
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2016, 10:57:40 AM »

In all the years of playing SC I have never nailed the rucks last year I had Goldy and Stef  :'( as for next year Gawn seems a must I think Goldy will lose points to Daw and I don't care how cheap Sandi is I am not getting him he is 34 and a massive unit with a injury plagued past I'm surprised he is still playing , so it's looking like Gawn and Grundy at this stage for me but Grundy is not set in stone

Daw wont be rucking he is being developed as a fwd.

Goldy dropped last year due to injury not daw.

The risk of goldy is the loss of boomer NDS in getting HTA and also i guess losing more games.

remember though he was averaging 128 from the first 5 rounds then got injured round 6 and went 52,

then he went 103 105 172 and then got injured the game after scoring 112 and leaving the ground.

Then he pretty much struggled the rest of the year.

as for rucks Goldy is locked then im going Grundy Gawn or Sandi.

if Sandi is sole ruck and Ryder is sole ruck ill got Goldy Sandi Ryder.

or even thinking Goldy Ryder then go Rookie Fwd to Gawn at some point.
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2016, 11:37:44 AM »

In all the years of playing SC I have never nailed the rucks last year I had Goldy and Stef  :'( as for next year Gawn seems a must I think Goldy will lose points to Daw and I don't care how cheap Sandi is I am not getting him he is 34 and a massive unit with a injury plagued past I'm surprised he is still playing , so it's looking like Gawn and Grundy at this stage for me but Grundy is not set in stone

Daw wont be rucking he is being developed as a fwd.

Goldy dropped last year due to injury not daw.

The risk of goldy is the loss of boomer NDS in getting HTA and also i guess losing more games.

remember though he was averaging 128 from the first 5 rounds then got injured round 6 and went 52,

then he went 103 105 172 and then got injured the game after scoring 112 and leaving the ground.

Then he pretty much struggled the rest of the year.

as for rucks Goldy is locked then im going Grundy Gawn or Sandi.

if Sandi is sole ruck and Ryder is sole ruck ill got Goldy Sandi Ryder.

or even thinking Goldy Ryder then go Rookie Fwd to Gawn at some point.

Have a look at goldy's scores when Daw played this year half of them were sub 100 I don't believe for a second that Daw will not be used in the ruck as well as forward
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2016, 11:48:16 AM »

In all the years of playing SC I have never nailed the rucks last year I had Goldy and Stef  :'( as for next year Gawn seems a must I think Goldy will lose points to Daw and I don't care how cheap Sandi is I am not getting him he is 34 and a massive unit with a injury plagued past I'm surprised he is still playing , so it's looking like Gawn and Grundy at this stage for me but Grundy is not set in stone

Daw wont be rucking he is being developed as a fwd.

Goldy dropped last year due to injury not daw.

The risk of goldy is the loss of boomer NDS in getting HTA and also i guess losing more games.

remember though he was averaging 128 from the first 5 rounds then got injured round 6 and went 52,

then he went 103 105 172 and then got injured the game after scoring 112 and leaving the ground.

Then he pretty much struggled the rest of the year.

as for rucks Goldy is locked then im going Grundy Gawn or Sandi.

if Sandi is sole ruck and Ryder is sole ruck ill got Goldy Sandi Ryder.

or even thinking Goldy Ryder then go Rookie Fwd to Gawn at some point.

Have a look at goldy's scores when Daw played this year half of them were sub 100 I don't believe for a second that Daw will not be used in the ruck as well as forward

105 100 87 127 92 82 99 124 so a 102 average

so this is his games after round 10 without Daw

83 99 110 93 118 so a 101 average,

basically what that tells you is Daw is a non factor he was just injured and north where playing badly. The second bit is a worry.

however look at Daw's HO in his last 5 games 6,5,3,8,4 that is a fwd who is pinch hitting. As a comparison thats not much more then Jack Watts gets at melbourne.

Daw is being developed as a FWD as we clearly do not want him in the ruck, the guy who is being developed as a ruck is Preuss which makes sense as when goldy retires Daw will be way too old to take over Preuss will just be hitting ruck age. Petrie is gone and Daw will take his spot, Waite is almost gone too.

long term the fwd line is Wood, Daw, Brown with Preuss probably in the ruck.

the only concern for Goldy is the weak team and the fact the midfield wont win that much ball. Goldy is better then Gawn but dees midfield is far better then north (and most teams). So thats whyu gawn will score. Likewise i like Grundy as pendles Treloar are superstars.


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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2016, 12:03:59 PM »

In all the years of playing SC I have never nailed the rucks last year I had Goldy and Stef  :'( as for next year Gawn seems a must I think Goldy will lose points to Daw and I don't care how cheap Sandi is I am not getting him he is 34 and a massive unit with a injury plagued past I'm surprised he is still playing , so it's looking like Gawn and Grundy at this stage for me but Grundy is not set in stone

Daw wont be rucking he is being developed as a fwd.

Goldy dropped last year due to injury not daw.

The risk of goldy is the loss of boomer NDS in getting HTA and also i guess losing more games.

remember though he was averaging 128 from the first 5 rounds then got injured round 6 and went 52,

then he went 103 105 172 and then got injured the game after scoring 112 and leaving the ground.

Then he pretty much struggled the rest of the year.

as for rucks Goldy is locked then im going Grundy Gawn or Sandi.

if Sandi is sole ruck and Ryder is sole ruck ill got Goldy Sandi Ryder.

or even thinking Goldy Ryder then go Rookie Fwd to Gawn at some point.

Have a look at goldy's scores when Daw played this year half of them were sub 100 I don't believe for a second that Daw will not be used in the ruck as well as forward

105 100 87 127 92 82 99 124 so a 102 average

so this is his games after round 10 without Daw

83 99 110 93 118 so a 101 average,

basically what that tells you is Daw is a non factor he was just injured and north where playing badly. The second bit is a worry.

however look at Daw's HO in his last 5 games 6,5,3,8,4 that is a fwd who is pinch hitting. As a comparison thats not much more then Jack Watts gets at melbourne.

Daw is being developed as a FWD as we clearly do not want him in the ruck, the guy who is being developed as a ruck is Preuss which makes sense as when goldy retires Daw will be way too old to take over Preuss will just be hitting ruck age. Petrie is gone and Daw will take his spot, Waite is almost gone too.

long term the fwd line is Wood, Daw, Brown with Preuss probably in the ruck.

the only concern for Goldy is the weak team and the fact the midfield wont win that much ball. Goldy is better then Gawn but dees midfield is far better then north (and most teams). So thats whyu gawn will score. Likewise i like Grundy as pendles Treloar are superstars.



Apart from him being not fully fit this year Goldy looked like his workload was to much I still picking Daw will be used in the rucks more next year but we will have to wait and see who is right  ;)
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2016, 12:23:28 PM »

Mummy and Tom Boyd with Ryder up forward.
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2016, 12:25:25 PM »

Mummy and Tom Boyd with Ryder up forward.

So I guess your not taking Super coach seriously again?

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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2016, 03:21:46 PM »

I posted on a Facebook forum that surely gawn fyfe and beams are the biggest locks of 2017.

I find myself questioning the price of Gawn compared to the value elsewhere.

I legit feel a Ryder sandi and nankervis set up could work this season.

(Can really see myself falling into major mid price trap but there is just so much value this season it is incredible)
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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2016, 03:24:24 PM »

Would love to hear some thoughts about what I mentioned in regards to R3 in the OP
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2016, 03:30:50 PM »

A long way out but will likely look to start Strnadica as the basement price R/F for the R3 position, if there's cash to spare, I wouldn't rule out looking at Tim English for just 30k more, will need time to bulk up like most rucks, but the Doggies always seem to give their top draftees a run at some stage throughout their debut year.
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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2016, 03:32:07 PM »

Would love to hear some thoughts about what I mentioned in regards to R3 in the OP

Time will tell with Giles. But if vardy and Petrie are up and going round 1. I wouldn't even play giles at all. I don't really buy into him being the number 1 ruck talk which has been discussed. With regards his selection for SuperCoach - I wouldn't touch him.

Don't see point in paying up for bench ruck.

Much prefer the idea of the wafl lad at r3 and nank or Ryder forward.
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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2016, 03:32:56 PM »

I personally think Grundy will be the number one ruck come seasons end and Sandi should go up in price early and be able to be traded to a cheaper Gawn/Goldy.

Ryder in the forward line for help as well as I think he can become a keeper.
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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2016, 03:34:58 PM »

I personally think Grundy will be the number one ruck come seasons end and Sandi should go up in price early and be able to be traded to a cheaper Gawn/Goldy.

Ryder in the forward line for help as well as I think he can become a keeper.

wouldnt bank on a cheaper goldy.

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