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« Reply #30 on: August 01, 2017, 05:55:00 PM »

Part of being a coach is developing a deep enough list to cover injuries and the like. It makes no sense at all that you can flood and attack (because you don't have enough depth) and not get penalised, but you do get penalised for not having a ruck

There are 10 times the amount of defenders and forwards than there are rucks. It's crazy that not having a ruck from such a small player pool incurs such a costly price, but not having enough defenders or forwards has an easy free work around in flood/attack
Pretty good point, I absolutely agree. Coaches should be trying their best to avoid the situation of OOP or a lack of depth where possible.

Also the idea that you get x amount of flood/attacks/pinch hits for the season is solid too. Adds that somewhat strategical element as well if you can only use 5 of any (for example) for the season, especially if most teams have balanced enough lists.
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« Reply #31 on: August 01, 2017, 05:59:53 PM »

I'd like to suggest another topic for discussion

The Rolling Lockout VC

Currently, we can usually do it on Thursday games, but again this rule only benefits those who are lucky enough to have a good enough player playing in that match

Doesn't seem fair that a couple of teams get a free hit with the VC whilst the rest of the teams don't

Either scrap the rolling lockout all together, or if we want to align ourselves with SC of which this comp is based off, then maybe rolling lockout is all round long. That would mean more work for Purps, which is why I think we should just scrap rolling lockouts all together

@GL, I get the point you're making about choosing to attack simply because your forwards are scoring more than defenders, but the same argument could hypothetically be used for ruck. Say we only had Zac Clarke playing, we would rather field a better player than him too. It's not possible at the moment, but the point is that why can we manipulate the forwards and defenders to our advantage but have no choice but to get heavily penalised when it comes to a ruck, a position that has such a small player pool making the hit even worse

Attack, Flood and Pinch Hit. 5 uses in total per year sounds like a good rule to vote on

As for penalties, I'm open to either or, but I will say if we do introduce them then it has to be for all 3 tactics and not just ruck
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« Reply #32 on: August 01, 2017, 06:01:00 PM »

I'm in full support for the removal of the VC Rolling Lockout.
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« Reply #33 on: August 01, 2017, 06:03:14 PM »

Ah yes, I forgot about the rolling lockout.

Basically I allowed it because I could easily administer it and there was once an art to it. But it seems people have gotten too good at it.

Rolling lockouts are still necessary in some rounds though, but I'm open to banning loopholing.
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« Reply #34 on: August 01, 2017, 06:07:13 PM »

Ah yes, I forgot about the rolling lockout.

Basically I allowed it because I could easily administer it and there was once an art to it. But it seems people have gotten too good at it.

Rolling lockouts are still necessary in some rounds though, but I'm open to banning loopholing.

ban loophole.

You arent allowed to name anyone on field unless they are at worst an emergency.

You cant name a Captain unless they are in the 22.

solved.

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« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2017, 06:11:29 PM »

The rolling lockout is definitely necessary in some instances, but I think a ban of loopholing should definitely happen. The problem is that too many people love it too much, so the vote to ban it definitely won't pass.

Again, RD's point is spot on. There's a pretty clear advantage to be had by some with the rolling lockout given the legality of loopholing and I'm not sure that's great when we've been doing our best to equalise the comp.
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« Reply #36 on: August 01, 2017, 06:11:36 PM »

I think that there should be a rule if you can have your entire XV playing on Sunday they get a 10% resting bonus across the board.
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« Reply #37 on: August 01, 2017, 06:14:42 PM »

I think that there should be a rule if you can have your entire XV playing on Sunday they get a 10% resting bonus across the board.

Haha, you'd be the only person crazy enough to do that!

And yeah, we need loopholing in certain situations. I was specifically referring to VC, and looping to gain an advantage/take a free hit because if all teams can't do it then it shouldn't be allowed

Just trying to make the comp as fair as possible :)

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« Reply #38 on: August 01, 2017, 06:52:14 PM »

Comfortable with loopholing when we have Thursday night games with full lock out on bouynce of Friday night games. ie you can loophole all including c for Thursday players.

If we have Monday Games again next year comfortable with 6 emergencies to cover late outs.
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« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2017, 06:59:50 PM »

I know it was only briefly raised but I am 100% against a full round rolling lockout. Can't expect everyone to be around all weekend and would give a massive advantage to some coaches over others.
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« Reply #40 on: August 01, 2017, 07:10:36 PM »

I know it was only briefly raised but I am 100% against a full round rolling lockout. Can't expect everyone to be around all weekend and would give a massive advantage to some coaches over others.

Yeah that definitely won't happen, aside from the bye round.

I should re-phrase, I wouldn't support that vote.
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« Reply #41 on: August 01, 2017, 07:53:43 PM »

Previous players should automatically return to the list they were on without the bid nonsense. If Fyfe retired tomorrow then came back a year later why should Purps have to pay extra for a player he's already got?
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« Reply #42 on: August 03, 2017, 05:32:45 PM »

Hokay.

I have (ossie made) salary cap values! But please note, the next 4 games will influence these prices. Posting now to illicit discussion. If you don't want a cap, suggest a new one with at least 50 players demonstrating their value, because we will not be getting rid of one entirely.

During the points cap days, the max cap was +5% of the average, and the min cap was -15% of the average. Last year with the salary cap, that was rounded down and up respectively to 9.1 million and 11.4 million. Below is the current cap values with the same percentages applied for the min/max cap.

TeamTotal
Beijing Thunder$11,005,000
Berlin Brewers$11,196,000
Buenos Aires Armadillos$9,346,000
Cairo Sands$9,779,000
Cape Town Cobras$9,962,000
Christchurch Saints$11,096,000
Dublin Destroyers$11,109,000
London Royals$10,115,000
Mexico City Suns$10,920,000
Moscow Spetsnaz$10,378,000
New Delhi Tigers$11,303,000
New York Revolution$11,153,000
Pacific Islanders$11,816,000
PNL Reindeers$9,824,000
Rio de Janeiro Jaguars$11,461,000
Seoul Magpies$10,574,000
Tokyo Samurai$9,857,000
Toronto Wolves$10,389,000
AVERAGE$10,626,833
AVERAGE + 5%$11,158,175
AVERAGE - 15%$9,032,808

Everyone kinda sits nicely within that range.

Top 20 PlayersTeamSalary
P DangerfieldSeoul Magpies$935,000
S PendleburyToronto Wolves$782,000
L NealeBeijing Thunder$740,000
D HanneberyLondon Royals$723,000
T GoldsteinDublin Destroyers$723,000
JP KennedyCape Town Cobras$721,000
D MartinDublin Destroyers$710,000
T MitchellPacific Islanders$700,000
D ZorkoBeijing Thunder$681,000
A TreloarDublin Destroyers$680,000
M PriddisPNL Reindeers$676,000
J SelwoodNew York Revolution$672,000
R GrayNew Delhi Tigers$653,000
S DochertyMoscow Spetsnaz$653,000
C WardBeijing Thunder$648,000
M BontempelliPacific Islanders$636,000
L ParkerTokyo Samurai$635,000
N FyfeBerlin Brewers$624,000
T CotchinMexico City Suns$610,000
R SloaneDublin Destroyers$609,000



Top 20 Price RisesTeamPriceIncrease
C OliverSeoul Magpies$412,000$244,000
S MenegolaMoscow Spetsnaz$359,000$186,000
T MitchellPacific Islanders$700,000$177,000
S DochertyMoscow Spetsnaz$653,000$174,000
N NewmanMexico City Suns$258,000$158,000
M KreuzerToronto Wolves$440,000$157,000
Z MerrettPNL Reindeers$595,000$156,000
M CrouchNew Delhi Tigers$456,000$151,000
T AdamsCairo Sands$573,000$150,000
S RossNew Delhi Tigers$462,000$147,000
P DangerfieldSeoul Magpies$935,000$135,000
R BurtonMoscow Spetsnaz$235,000$135,000
C BlakelyChristchurch Saints$322,000$134,000
T NankervisCape Town Cobras$274,000$134,000
R LairdPacific Islanders$522,000$130,000
H GreenwoodDublin Destroyers$230,000$130,000
Jos KellySeoul Magpies$444,000$119,000
E YeoRio de Janeiro Jaguars$430,000$116,000
B GrundyBeijing Thunder$516,000$114,000
D RobertonCairo Sands$425,000$114,000



Top 20 Price DropsTeamPriceDecrease
J O'MearaMoscow Spetsnaz$100,000-$267,000
T LiberatoreBerlin Brewers$314,000-$168,000
D SwallowSeoul Magpies$279,000-$146,000
M LobbePNL Reindeers$220,000-$140,000
D PrestiaCape Town Cobras$372,000-$134,000
J McVeighChristchurch Saints$434,000-$118,000
T RockliffMexico City Suns$583,000-$116,000
D MyersSeoul Magpies$131,000-$110,000
T MzunguChristchurch Saints$143,000-$109,000
N FyfeBerlin Brewers$624,000-$104,000
S JacobsRio de Janeiro Jaguars$530,000-$102,000
P HanleyToronto Wolves$354,000-$102,000
M BarlowPacific Islanders$456,000-$98,000
J ThomasSeoul Magpies$100,000-$98,000
S JohnsonBerlin Brewers$365,000-$97,000
H HockingCairo Sands$109,000-$97,000
R GriffenChristchurch Saints$392,000-$96,000
L GreenwoodMoscow Spetsnaz$252,000-$96,000
S PendleburyToronto Wolves$782,000-$95,000
M PriddisPNL Reindeers$676,000-$95,000
D BeamsCairo Sands$523,000-$95,000
K JackCape Town Cobras$472,000-$95,000
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« Reply #43 on: August 03, 2017, 05:33:45 PM »

ossie made this for everyone, so see all your individual cap values

https://jumpshare.com/v/iH5g4dyBBi14meUKPjMB
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« Reply #44 on: August 03, 2017, 05:34:51 PM »

Personally... I think this looks pretty good, and I would be happy with no changes.
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