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kosduras
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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2018, 11:12:42 AM »

im struggling to understand who bundy is? anyone wanna shed some light hahaha
Welcome to the forum. Bundy is the nickname for Allan Christensen from Brisbane Lions.

cheers ringo!
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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2018, 12:16:40 PM »

Was thinking if Lobb does play first ruck in JLT then Simpson might be a viable R3, sort of can't lose in that scenario.

What do you mean?

Simpson costs too much to just sit on the bench and if Lobb is first ruck what good is it having Simpson as R3?

Thought he was cheaper actually, just checked and he's 290k, pretty expensive for a guy who played 2 games. Suppose Darcy Cameron is the man for R3.

But back on topic, for me I'm not taking any forward over 500k, this is the year to stack the other lines, Here's my analysis of all the candidates.

Menegola - Trap, unproven over the long haul. Gaz back will hurt.
Heeney - No preseason is a worry, it's an age old rule in SC to avoid these players and I'm not going to start now.
Billings - Really tempting, fine end to the year but still only breaking out. Won't go up too much in any case.
Franklin - KP prospect, will come down as Buddy does every year.
JJK - See Franklin
Gray - Scores like a KPP prospect, could spend more time in the middle with Rocky in the team but a wait and see.
Wingard - Has the Houli hot & cold pattern. One year 90+, the next 80, sticking to the trend as he's due for a downer.
Greene - Burnman with his hot head, 100% certain to be suspended.

Plenty of value to be had with some of the midpricers

C.Rioli - Lock for me, he's a proven 90+ scorer and should be hungry after a tumultuous year with personal issues.
Lobb - First ruck duties and he's in the Nankervis category. Played there in the finals so probably first in line.
Boak - Technically not a mid pricer but is the cheapest he's ever been. Can easily hit 90 and potentially 100. Finished the year strong in 2017.
Christensen - probably a lock for most teams given his price.
Deledio - Has had a decent preseason, has struggled at GWS but is cheap as chips.
Bennell - Worth at shot at 250k, 50/50 to play round 1.
Petracca - Really tempting but I will bring him in as a correction trade only. 4 tons in 2017 isn't sufficient evidence.


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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2018, 01:36:09 PM »

Greene and Bundy for me at the moment.

Lobb will come in if he is the solo for round one. Should average 90 and at 390k he is worth the risk.
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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2018, 02:42:26 PM »

Deledio and Cyril at this point of time.
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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2018, 07:04:19 PM »

Deledio and Cyril at this point of time.
Yeah my logic is to load up on the mid-pricers like Dids and Cyril, both proven 90+ scorers who should quickly get back to good form, and wait for the top candidates to emerge. Heeney, for example, could be a great pick up after a couple of rounds.

The best part about this is if you pick your mid pricers right and get guys in that 90 range, you aren't even losing that many points to premiums.
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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2018, 07:42:30 PM »

Deledio and Cyril at this point of time.
Yeah my logic is to load up on the mid-pricers like Dids and Cyril, both proven 90+ scorers who should quickly get back to good form, and wait for the top candidates to emerge. Heeney, for example, could be a great pick up after a couple of rounds.

The best part about this is if you pick your mid pricers right and get guys in that 90 range, you aren't even losing that many points to premiums.

just a gut feel atm, but i feel the expensive rookies in the MIDS are most likely to line up round 1 at this stage. Some people say the DEF rookies are'nt much this year, so I went stronger down back and only need the two rooks on the bench. Pretty much set and forget back six. Think also, there's more value to be had up FWD, so here I'll grab some cheapies and back them in to make cash. Obviously I'm waiting for teams round one, just like everybody else.
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« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2018, 10:11:01 AM »

Deledio and Cyril at this point of time.
Yeah my logic is to load up on the mid-pricers like Dids and Cyril, both proven 90+ scorers who should quickly get back to good form, and wait for the top candidates to emerge. Heeney, for example, could be a great pick up after a couple of rounds.

The best part about this is if you pick your mid pricers right and get guys in that 90 range, you aren't even losing that many points to premiums.

With Mid price selection you need them to have several things to make it work
1 - They make enough cash to cover the loss of cash from 1 less rookie. OR the points are enough to offset the loss of cash Generation.
2 - They Become premium and can be a Final position on field or Bench cover.
3 - They don't miss games. This is huge as for every missed game you have to field a rookie vs opponent premium.

This is why most Mid pricers don't work, people only look at points, not what thye are losing out on or how it will impact longer term.
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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2018, 10:55:50 AM »

Deledio and Cyril at this point of time.
Yeah my logic is to load up on the mid-pricers like Dids and Cyril, both proven 90+ scorers who should quickly get back to good form, and wait for the top candidates to emerge. Heeney, for example, could be a great pick up after a couple of rounds.

The best part about this is if you pick your mid pricers right and get guys in that 90 range, you aren't even losing that many points to premiums.

With Mid price selection you need them to have several things to make it work
1 - They make enough cash to cover the loss of cash from 1 less rookie. OR the points are enough to offset the loss of cash Generation.
2 - They Become premium and can be a Final position on field or Bench cover.
3 - They don't miss games. This is huge as for every missed game you have to field a rookie vs opponent premium.

This is why most Mid pricers don't work, people only look at points, not what thye are losing out on or how it will impact longer term.

Agree with this^, GnR's is what everybody should be striving for, but in reality the quality and quantity of the rooks is what will determine whether you need mid pricers/ stepping stones to make cash. It's no good having rank rooks that don't make cash, you'll go nowhere fast. Most teams are looking at starting 6-7 rooks onfield, so what happens when six or seven are'nt named or are garbage?.
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« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2018, 04:15:42 PM »

I don't even bother with midpricers unless I believe they can become keepers. Learnt that very early on because you always get stuck with them longer than you plan (sometimes all year)

When rookies start to fatten and injuries start to strike your priority isn't going to be to trade the mid pricer that's 'going ok'

Before you know it, it's round 18, you've got 2 trades left and some spud averaging 80 at F6
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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2018, 07:18:11 PM »

I don't even bother with midpricers unless I believe they can become keepers. Learnt that very early on because you always get stuck with them longer than you plan (sometimes all year)

When rookies start to fatten and injuries start to strike your priority isn't going to be to trade the mid pricer that's 'going ok'

Before you know it, it's round 18, you've got 2 trades left and some spud averaging 80 at F6

There have been a few over the years that have done well, Marchbank went ok, Higgins a few years back, WHE last year. Sometimes there aren't decent rookies and this year will be one of those years (in defence).
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« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2018, 07:21:04 PM »

I don't even bother with midpricers unless I believe they can become keepers. Learnt that very early on because you always get stuck with them longer than you plan (sometimes all year)

When rookies start to fatten and injuries start to strike your priority isn't going to be to trade the mid pricer that's 'going ok'

Before you know it, it's round 18, you've got 2 trades left and some spud averaging 80 at F6

There have been a few over the years that have done well, Marchbank went ok, Higgins a few years back, WHE last year. Sometimes there aren't decent rookies and this year will be one of those years (in defence).
Wells 2 (or was it 3?) years ago. Steele, Witts, Nank and Oliver last year to add to that list.
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« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2018, 07:24:48 PM »

I don't even bother with midpricers unless I believe they can become keepers. Learnt that very early on because you always get stuck with them longer than you plan (sometimes all year)

When rookies start to fatten and injuries start to strike your priority isn't going to be to trade the mid pricer that's 'going ok'

Before you know it, it's round 18, you've got 2 trades left and some spud averaging 80 at F6

There have been a few over the years that have done well, Marchbank went ok, Higgins a few years back, WHE last year. Sometimes there aren't decent rookies and this year will be one of those years (in defence).
Wells 2 (or was it 3?) years ago. Steele, Witts, Nank and Oliver last year to add to that list.

Yep, there's some more names, reckon there will be some gems in the forward basket this year.
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« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2018, 08:38:56 PM »

I don't even bother with midpricers unless I believe they can become keepers. Learnt that very early on because you always get stuck with them longer than you plan (sometimes all year)

When rookies start to fatten and injuries start to strike your priority isn't going to be to trade the mid pricer that's 'going ok'

Before you know it, it's round 18, you've got 2 trades left and some spud averaging 80 at F6

There have been a few over the years that have done well, Marchbank went ok, Higgins a few years back, WHE last year. Sometimes there aren't decent rookies and this year will be one of those years (in defence).
Wells 2 (or was it 3?) years ago. Steele, Witts, Nank and Oliver last year to add to that list.

Yep, there's some more names, reckon there will be some gems in the forward basket this year.

Yes like I said, only if I think they can become keepers. I don't bother if I'm only using them as a cash cow.

And I consider mid priced to be anywhere from 250k-450k or there abouts. Anything under (WHE last year) I just consider as an expensive rookie and anything over is a fallen prem or just an average SC scorer
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« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2018, 09:56:52 PM »

last season five rookies in total out 77 drafted made $200k or more for the season. And two (Witherden & Darcy) didn't start playing til rnd 14.

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Berry
Stewart
Witherden
Darcy.... and that is all folks.
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« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2018, 08:18:34 AM »

last season five rookies in total out 77 drafted made $200k or more for the season. And two (Witherden & Darcy) didn't start playing til rnd 14.

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Berry
Stewart
Witherden
Darcy.... and that is all folks.
Newman?
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