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« Reply #210 on: March 06, 2019, 01:49:15 PM »

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/axiw6q/kuzma_pushing_lebron_to_play_some_defense_in/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/axn1xl/lebron_commits_a_turnover_with_a_poor_pass_but/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

This is the crap LeBron has been doing this season while also complaining about the young core. I'm sure next year will be different but right now I'm sick of his shower.

The young core was fine until Lebron turned his back on them and tried to trade them.  His player signers were trash.  Someone/anybody needs to call him out and hold him accountable.  Less and less superstars want to play with him.

was it?

the team was going great. 4th seed in the west, Lebron a MVP candidate and then Lebron got injured.

They then struggled before the AD talk.

Can't confirm, but pretty sure the first 25-50% of the season was fairly easy for them schedule wise.  LeBron has been banging on about living and breathing basketball to the younger guys, yet he's in the studio with 2 Chains and preparing to make Space Jam 2, leaders lead by example, Lebron is not this.

He uses cryotherapy, hyperbaric chambers, has a strict routine and diet, hires personal chefs and trainers. He looks after his body.

Lebron has proven himself over decades. He has put the time in and thats why he was on MVP pace before going down with an injury in year 16 when many of his fellow legends had already retired. He is already 15th all time for minutes played and will likely end up top 3.

Space Jam 2 is shooting in the offseason (and you cant spend your whole time training and playing in the offseason you need rest)

I think calling out one of the best atheltes ever in the nba who has put this much time and effort into his body and his game is a bad move.

No ones doubting his routine and ability.  My issue with calling him out is what he does to orchestrate what happens around him.  "Taking my talents to south beach", "I'm coming home"...only to bail again when things got tough.  Lets trade all our young assets.  Let's fire our coach, multiple times.  you can't honestly think that he should be commended for all of this plus more.  I'm a big Lebron fan in terms of his ability and talent, however these things knock him down quite a few pegs.
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« Reply #211 on: March 06, 2019, 03:36:17 PM »

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/axiw6q/kuzma_pushing_lebron_to_play_some_defense_in/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/axn1xl/lebron_commits_a_turnover_with_a_poor_pass_but/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

This is the crap LeBron has been doing this season while also complaining about the young core. I'm sure next year will be different but right now I'm sick of his shower.

The young core was fine until Lebron turned his back on them and tried to trade them.  His player signers were trash.  Someone/anybody needs to call him out and hold him accountable.  Less and less superstars want to play with him.

was it?

the team was going great. 4th seed in the west, Lebron a MVP candidate and then Lebron got injured.

They then struggled before the AD talk.

Can't confirm, but pretty sure the first 25-50% of the season was fairly easy for them schedule wise.  LeBron has been banging on about living and breathing basketball to the younger guys, yet he's in the studio with 2 Chains and preparing to make Space Jam 2, leaders lead by example, Lebron is not this.

He uses cryotherapy, hyperbaric chambers, has a strict routine and diet, hires personal chefs and trainers. He looks after his body.

Lebron has proven himself over decades. He has put the time in and thats why he was on MVP pace before going down with an injury in year 16 when many of his fellow legends had already retired. He is already 15th all time for minutes played and will likely end up top 3.

Space Jam 2 is shooting in the offseason (and you cant spend your whole time training and playing in the offseason you need rest)

I think calling out one of the best atheltes ever in the nba who has put this much time and effort into his body and his game is a bad move.

No ones doubting his routine and ability.  My issue with calling him out is what he does to orchestrate what happens around him.  "Taking my talents to south beach", "I'm coming home"...only to bail again when things got tough.  Lets trade all our young assets.  Let's fire our coach, multiple times.  you can't honestly think that he should be commended for all of this plus more.  I'm a big Lebron fan in terms of his ability and talent, however these things knock him down quite a few pegs.

Took his talent to south beach: 2 championships and 4/4 trips to the finals.
Im coming home to win a title for Cleveland"" Won a championship for Cleveland and 4/4 trips to the finals

Trading the young assets and coach looks the correct move: Answer this what has this young talent and coach achieved? The start of the season pre Lebron injury is the only success Walton and these young lakers have had. 

every year there is drama around this time and every year bar this year it hasnt mattered. I always felt this was the first time a lebron team wasnt contending and the injury to Lebron just wiped out the playoffs.
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« Reply #212 on: March 06, 2019, 03:52:02 PM »

I think you're missing my point, he's controlling what happens to everything around him, the end of the Cavs and not getting AD to LA are both times things have failed due to his "control" not working.  Miami and the beginning of the his return to the Cavs were both still under his control, but they panned out for him (although Miami losing to Dallas in the finals is one of the worst losses I can remember).  Ability, work ethic, success is not in question...the way he goes about getting there is very questionable.
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« Reply #213 on: March 06, 2019, 04:24:25 PM »

I don't think there is anyone I follow now like those days though, just enjoy good basketball.

This is pretty much me now too

One thing I loved about growing up in our era was that most of the greats were all 1 club players, so supporting "your team" just had more of a feeling to it

Now it's just a meat market, and very hard to invest into a side, so I'll stick to just loving watching great basketball and great players :)

You're an Eagles supporter so I would say get on the Wildcats train, the atmosphere is amazing at the games and membership is a fraction of the cost of Eagles.  Closest you will get to American style sports in Australia.

I'm an Eagles supporter, but I'm born, raised and live in Melbourne :)

NBL doesn't really interest me. I mean, I'll watch a little bit if I am surfing and it's on, but I don't follow it at all like I do the NBA

I think I am at the age now where supporting new clubs probably isn't my thing. WCE is the only club I am passionate about, every other sport I just watch the best but don't support an actual team
Must have been a large bandwagon when you got onboard with the Eagles, RD  Sounds like you were a kid when they won there first premiership.   
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« Reply #214 on: March 06, 2019, 04:32:17 PM »

I don't think there is anyone I follow now like those days though, just enjoy good basketball.

This is pretty much me now too

One thing I loved about growing up in our era was that most of the greats were all 1 club players, so supporting "your team" just had more of a feeling to it

Now it's just a meat market, and very hard to invest into a side, so I'll stick to just loving watching great basketball and great players :)

You're an Eagles supporter so I would say get on the Wildcats train, the atmosphere is amazing at the games and membership is a fraction of the cost of Eagles.  Closest you will get to American style sports in Australia.

I'm an Eagles supporter, but I'm born, raised and live in Melbourne :)

NBL doesn't really interest me. I mean, I'll watch a little bit if I am surfing and it's on, but I don't follow it at all like I do the NBA

I think I am at the age now where supporting new clubs probably isn't my thing. WCE is the only club I am passionate about, every other sport I just watch the best but don't support an actual team
Must have been a large bandwagon when you got onboard with the Eagles, RD  Sounds like you were a kid when they won there first premiership.

No bandwagon for me mate

I've followed WCE ever since they joined the league in 1986/87

I was 3-4 years of age, liked the name, colours and logo, and decided to follow them and have been with them since, from the very beginning :)
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« Reply #215 on: March 07, 2019, 06:42:56 AM »

I think you're missing my point, he's controlling what happens to everything around him, the end of the Cavs and not getting AD to LA are both times things have failed due to his "control" not working.  Miami and the beginning of the his return to the Cavs were both still under his control, but they panned out for him (although Miami losing to Dallas in the finals is one of the worst losses I can remember).  Ability, work ethic, success is not in question...the way he goes about getting there is very questionable.

What im saying is the way he has handled the lakers is how he always handles it.

The difference is he got injured, the lakers got injured and NO didnt play ball. So the result was bad.

My point is his actions where correct the lakers were doing nothing. The truth is the lakers are a vehicle to get what he wants. That sucks for lonzo ingram kuzma etc.. but they werent doing anything. Might as well roll the dice wirh Lebron then just be medicore

If lebron went to philly instead of LA i reckon lakers still dont make the playoffs.
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« Reply #216 on: March 07, 2019, 07:01:15 AM »

If lebron went to philly instead of LA i reckon lakers still dont make the playoffs.

Probably not... but we'd be in the same spot in the standings, competing with the Kings and Clippers for a playoff spot. Except, without LeBron, we have a young core that isn't miserable and is still improving, and still have the cap space to get a younger star with less ego that sees a young core that's only a couple of years away from competing.
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« Reply #217 on: March 07, 2019, 07:04:59 AM »

If lebron went to philly instead of LA i reckon lakers still dont make the playoffs.

Probably not... but we'd be in the same spot in the standings, competing with the Kings and Clippers for a playoff spot. Except, without LeBron, we have a young core that isn't miserable and is still improving, and still have the cap space to get a younger star with less ego that sees a young core that's only a couple of years away from competing.

Well i disagree that they are anywhere near competing.

It was always going to take a free agent or 2 superstar coming to be relevant. Couldnt land pg or kawhi in trades.

Lebron is here for 4 years, 1st year was always a retooling year. Lets give it some time before analysing.

Lebron after mavs loss in 2011 looked horrible. Miami went on to win 2 straight chsmpionships. Lets see what happens
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« Reply #218 on: March 07, 2019, 08:25:42 AM »

Lucky it was KD to who went to Golden State if it was LeBron they would be as bad as the Knicks
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« Reply #219 on: March 07, 2019, 09:37:44 AM »

If lebron went to philly instead of LA i reckon lakers still dont make the playoffs.

Probably not... but we'd be in the same spot in the standings, competing with the Kings and Clippers for a playoff spot. Except, without LeBron, we have a young core that isn't miserable and is still improving, and still have the cap space to get a younger star with less ego that sees a young core that's only a couple of years away from competing.

Well i disagree that they are anywhere near competing.

It was always going to take a free agent or 2 superstar coming to be relevant. Couldnt land pg or kawhi in trades.

Lebron is here for 4 years, 1st year was always a retooling year. Lets give it some time before analysing.

Lebron after mavs loss in 2011 looked horrible. Miami went on to win 2 straight chsmpionships. Lets see what happens

You don't know though what another year under the belt for Kuzma, Ingam, Hart and Lonzo could've been without Lebron.  Maybe all of them take there games to a higher level if Lebron didn't arrive, there would be no Rondo, Stephenson, Beasley to take their minutes. Zubac starting C.  There were just as much of a chance to breakout like the Kings did, instead their attitudes have changed, they've had to learn that it's a business because of LeBron and they honestly some times look like basketball isn't enjoyable for them as much any more.

Lakers record with Lebron this season is 21-24.
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« Reply #220 on: March 07, 2019, 09:46:51 AM »

Bogut officially heading over to GSW for the remainder of the NBA season, then back to Sydney for the 2020 season

This is the part about the NBA which I just don't like - being able to bring in guys mid season like this for literally 3 months and then they're gone again

Call me old fashioned, but I like the idea of a championship team having grinded out the entire season together
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« Reply #221 on: March 07, 2019, 10:07:45 AM »

If lebron went to philly instead of LA i reckon lakers still dont make the playoffs.

Probably not... but we'd be in the same spot in the standings, competing with the Kings and Clippers for a playoff spot. Except, without LeBron, we have a young core that isn't miserable and is still improving, and still have the cap space to get a younger star with less ego that sees a young core that's only a couple of years away from competing.

Well i disagree that they are anywhere near competing.

It was always going to take a free agent or 2 superstar coming to be relevant. Couldnt land pg or kawhi in trades.

Lebron is here for 4 years, 1st year was always a retooling year. Lets give it some time before analysing.

Lebron after mavs loss in 2011 looked horrible. Miami went on to win 2 straight chsmpionships. Lets see what happens

You don't know though what another year under the belt for Kuzma, Ingam, Hart and Lonzo could've been without Lebron.  Maybe all of them take there games to a higher level if Lebron didn't arrive, there would be no Rondo, Stephenson, Beasley to take their minutes. Zubac starting C.  There were just as much of a chance to breakout like the Kings did, instead their attitudes have changed, they've had to learn that it's a business because of LeBron and they honestly some times look like basketball isn't enjoyable for them as much any more.

Lakers record with Lebron this season is 21-24.

Thats potentially true.

Or they could have just wallowed in mediocrity like the Timber wolves who id say are considerably more talented then the Lakers young group.

I think honestly the Lakers youth are overrated due to their draft position.

Ball has shown he cant stay on the court soo far, is inconsistent and has an inconsistent shot.
Kuzma i like and a good solid player but as your #1 option you will do nothing
INgram shows flashes but is inconsistent.

Lakers where 35-47 the previous year
Lakers where 20-14 pre Lebron injury (even with a slow start)
Then the Lakers record without Lebron in the Line up is  6-11

Lakers stand at 30-34 now so if you remove the 6-11 that puts them 24-23 so not sure where your getting your 21-24 stat from.

51% with Lebron
35% without Lebron this year
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« Reply #222 on: March 07, 2019, 10:20:47 AM »

If lebron went to philly instead of LA i reckon lakers still dont make the playoffs.

Probably not... but we'd be in the same spot in the standings, competing with the Kings and Clippers for a playoff spot. Except, without LeBron, we have a young core that isn't miserable and is still improving, and still have the cap space to get a younger star with less ego that sees a young core that's only a couple of years away from competing.

Well i disagree that they are anywhere near competing.

It was always going to take a free agent or 2 superstar coming to be relevant. Couldnt land pg or kawhi in trades.

Lebron is here for 4 years, 1st year was always a retooling year. Lets give it some time before analysing.

Lebron after mavs loss in 2011 looked horrible. Miami went on to win 2 straight chsmpionships. Lets see what happens

You don't know though what another year under the belt for Kuzma, Ingam, Hart and Lonzo could've been without Lebron.  Maybe all of them take there games to a higher level if Lebron didn't arrive, there would be no Rondo, Stephenson, Beasley to take their minutes. Zubac starting C.  There were just as much of a chance to breakout like the Kings did, instead their attitudes have changed, they've had to learn that it's a business because of LeBron and they honestly some times look like basketball isn't enjoyable for them as much any more.

Lakers record with Lebron this season is 21-24.

Thats potentially true.

Or they could have just wallowed in mediocrity like the Timber wolves who id say are considerably more talented then the Lakers young group.

I think honestly the Lakers youth are overrated due to their draft position.

Ball has shown he cant stay on the court soo far, is inconsistent and has an inconsistent shot.
Kuzma i like and a good solid player but as your #1 option you will do nothing
INgram shows flashes but is inconsistent.

Lakers where 35-47 the previous year
Lakers where 20-14 pre Lebron injury (even with a slow start)
Then the Lakers record without Lebron in the Line up is  6-11

Lakers stand at 30-34 now so if you remove the 6-11 that puts them 24-23 so not sure where your getting your 21-24 stat from.

51% with Lebron
35% without Lebron this year
43% without Lebron Last year




 

Wolves, Lakers, Pelicans, Mavs, even possibly the Suns ans Griz have a better team on "paper" than the Kings so anything's possible.

21-24 was out of an article I read yesterday, so could very possibly be wrong, couldn't be bothered going through box scores to check...
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« Reply #223 on: March 07, 2019, 10:24:52 AM »

It is possible they could have done a Kings. However its more likely they would be in the boat of the suns mavs wolves. For every Kings there is 5+ young teams struggling. Plus the Kings will do nothing anyway.

Look at the top teams.

GWS - added KD
Toronto - added Kawhi
Boston - added Irving Hayward Horford
Philly - added Harris Butler
Rockets - added CP3 Harden

As i said lets give the lakers some time. If they land a FA or land AD and Lebron can get back to 100% then im confident saying they are light years ahead of where they would be.



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« Reply #224 on: March 07, 2019, 10:52:24 AM »

I don't doubt Lebron will get his FA or two, which ones is anyone's guess, AD might have to wait till his contract is done before he can sign with the Lakers.  Hopefully KD goes to New York and we get some sort of a reset on the landscape of the NBA.

Was thinking this morning, who's going to win their next title first, Boston or Lakers, Celts have lost a fair bit of traction and the East has gotten stronger, not to mention Celts have regressed since Kyrie and Hayward came back.
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