Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 23, 2018, 12:59:49 PMSpeaking of defensive rookiesI reckon we could be left with slim pickings come Rd1. I'm really struggling to see what def rookies are actually a chance of playingMight be forced to go deep down back, or look at some risky mid pricers Rozee looks the goods but is pricey, McLennan is a plug & play & perhaps Collins to replace May. Rookies won't be cheap however so there will need to be some compromises. Birchall a must if he plays round 1.
Speaking of defensive rookiesI reckon we could be left with slim pickings come Rd1. I'm really struggling to see what def rookies are actually a chance of playingMight be forced to go deep down back, or look at some risky mid pricers
Quote from: Bully on January 26, 2019, 05:42:29 PMQuote from: RaisyDaisy on December 23, 2018, 12:59:49 PMSpeaking of defensive rookiesI reckon we could be left with slim pickings come Rd1. I'm really struggling to see what def rookies are actually a chance of playingMight be forced to go deep down back, or look at some risky mid pricers Rozee looks the goods but is pricey, McLennan is a plug & play & perhaps Collins to replace May. Rookies won't be cheap however so there will need to be some compromises. Birchall a must if he plays round 1.Agree that Rozee is very likely to start, but his price is the turn off, especially if he puts up sub 70 scores and turns into a very slow burn, but his JS is certainly appealingOther than him, Collins is the only def rookie I'm convinced onWilliamson, Goddard, Logue, Quaynor, Scrimshaw are the pricier options and I don't think any of them will play Round 1, and even if they do I can't see any of them scoring wellMarty Hore and Wigg seem to be very popular place holders at the moment, but Hore would have to be ZERO chance of playing unless May or Lever go down, and Wigg was out all last year or close to it, so again I'm not holding my breathe that he walks up R1One of McLennan/Burgess would also be an outside chance for GC, but 50/50 at bestBirchall is essentially a rookie at that price, so just treat him as a rookie. If he gets named we just have to pick him because he'll have the best JS of any rookie, and if he does in fact get injured well then it's an easy correction trade to a cheaper rookieWe'll find out more over the JLT, but as of now I'm thinking we need to go deep down back, and by all reports Roberton is looking good and will be very important to the Saints def setup and with his proven history I'm looking at Roberton at D4, Birchall D5 (Rozee if he's not fit) and Collins at D6, and then I'll just take the 2 best looking cheap rookies to fill the bench
Rozee is looking the goods at training but he is a very slight build so that could hold him back , Nick Hind for the Saints is impressing with his speed and looks a cheap mid option.
Ellis for GC must be a chance (ex Richmond)
Hadn't considered Roberton but fair shout, could be an excellent option. So possibly Roberton at D3, Z,Williams at D4. Must admit I hate overlooking Simpson but at 570k I just can't do it. As for McLennan, I'm a bit more confident given GC traded up to get him in the draft. He's the type you build a defense around.
Logue is looking likely for round 1. Lever is injured and is not expected back until mid season so Hore is a fair chance too.As for Roberton, Carlisle and Austin are battling back and groin issues respectively, so he's far from a sure thing to play a loose rebounding role. Josh Battle is being trialled in defence so that may help him.
Hore no chance imo, will bide his time in the VFL
Quote from: shaker on January 27, 2019, 05:51:22 AMRozee is looking the goods at training but he is a very slight build so that could hold him back , Nick Hind for the Saints is impressing with his speed and looks a cheap mid option.Nick Hind and Brett Bewley are the two cheap matured aged mid locks at this stage. I think they're both going to play Round 1Quote from: Peter on January 27, 2019, 06:22:48 AMEllis for GC must be a chance (ex Richmond)His SC numbers in the VFL were huge, but each time he stepped up to AFL he couldn't get going. He's an option for sure, but I think he's just a tad too costly considering the other options we haveQuote from: Bully on January 26, 2019, 09:42:33 PMHadn't considered Roberton but fair shout, could be an excellent option. So possibly Roberton at D3, Z,Williams at D4. Must admit I hate overlooking Simpson but at 570k I just can't do it. As for McLennan, I'm a bit more confident given GC traded up to get him in the draft. He's the type you build a defense around. There's a lot of value down back this year, but picking the right one is always the hard part. Brodie Smith at 332k is appealing to a lot of people, but he's only really ever had 1 prem season so he's a pass for me, and Robbo being cheaper at 297k and having a more proven prem history makes him the clear choice imo.
Numbers say otherwise. Roberton has had 2 seasons of 90+ but every other season has been sub 76. Smith has had one season of 90+ (which was better than any Roberton has had) and 2 more above 80 (although one was off 2 games last year). The rest have been sub 76. They're essentially a wash.The major difference with Roberton is that Jimmy Webster has now taken that rebounding/intercept role while he was injured and did it pretty well. They now have to get both of these guys to play cohesively. I also want to check out the kickin numbers for 2017. I am curious to see where Smith ranks for the Crows.
Quote from: Mat0369 on January 27, 2019, 01:27:29 PMNumbers say otherwise. Roberton has had 2 seasons of 90+ but every other season has been sub 76. Smith has had one season of 90+ (which was better than any Roberton has had) and 2 more above 80 (although one was off 2 games last year). The rest have been sub 76. They're essentially a wash.The major difference with Roberton is that Jimmy Webster has now taken that rebounding/intercept role while he was injured and did it pretty well. They now have to get both of these guys to play cohesively. I also want to check out the kickin numbers for 2017. I am curious to see where Smith ranks for the Crows.Roberton's numbers are much more recent though, so they carry more weight, especially since he's had 2 90+ seasons from 3 (ignore last year)Brodie went 90+ in 2014 - that's way too far back now to really valueMight not sound like much, but the price difference also makes Roberton more attractive. At 297k even if he goes 75+ he still makes enough cash, and he takes a lot of the Saints kick outs too, which will only help with the new rules and his scoringAll this talk of Webster doing this, Carlisle and Austin being injured etc - none of that matters to me
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on January 27, 2019, 06:17:46 PMQuote from: Mat0369 on January 27, 2019, 01:27:29 PMNumbers say otherwise. Roberton has had 2 seasons of 90+ but every other season has been sub 76. Smith has had one season of 90+ (which was better than any Roberton has had) and 2 more above 80 (although one was off 2 games last year). The rest have been sub 76. They're essentially a wash.The major difference with Roberton is that Jimmy Webster has now taken that rebounding/intercept role while he was injured and did it pretty well. They now have to get both of these guys to play cohesively. I also want to check out the kickin numbers for 2017. I am curious to see where Smith ranks for the Crows.Roberton's numbers are much more recent though, so they carry more weight, especially since he's had 2 90+ seasons from 3 (ignore last year)Brodie went 90+ in 2014 - that's way too far back now to really valueMight not sound like much, but the price difference also makes Roberton more attractive. At 297k even if he goes 75+ he still makes enough cash, and he takes a lot of the Saints kick outs too, which will only help with the new rules and his scoringAll this talk of Webster doing this, Carlisle and Austin being injured etc - none of that matters to meWell it matters to me. These factors could be the difference between a 85 - 90 avg and a 70 - 75 avg. I'd rather get 65 from a rookie at half the price or less.