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« Reply #435 on: March 17, 2019, 12:28:37 PM »

anyone starting ridley considering the hurley/ridley combo?
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« Reply #436 on: March 17, 2019, 12:40:00 PM »

anyone starting ridley considering the hurley/ridley combo?

Super tempted by Ridley but I'd rather wait the 2 weeks to see if his form translates into the real stuff
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« Reply #437 on: March 17, 2019, 01:04:44 PM »

Call me crazy.. Heath Shaw anyone? Looking for a defender without the R13 bye, and I'm not v keen on Whitfield.

Let's look at the other options:

Z. Williams - Already have, lock.

M. Hurley - If not for Hooker injury he'd be in my team, but will probably play lock down early so not keen on a bunch of 70s. Upgrade target.

L. Ryan - Dreadful end to the year last season, JLT scores seem fine though. Seems an OK pick but less exciting than Shaw imo. Any red flags I'm missing?

Sicily, Laird & Simpson all too pricy. Not keen on mid-pricers.

Any other ideas? Tossing up between Hurley & Shaw at the moment, or finding the $$ for Laird but I feel his avg will drop this year.

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« Reply #438 on: March 17, 2019, 01:06:16 PM »

I've just popped Crisp into defence, looking really good!

His biggest concern is his disposal efficiency, but feel he should easily go 95+..

Join the club mate. After Round 7 his uptick in ball use went through the roof and I'm unsure why but scores read

119, 112, 97, 115, 110, 117, 92, 95, 106, 64, 71, 107, 111, 83, 104

9/15 tons, 5 over 110 plus scores of 83,92,95,97 so only two stinkers in 64 and 71. Scored a 153 in the Prelim Final v Tiges too.
Pretty strong model of consistency.

His first 7 scores read 87, 71, 128, 78, 65, 89, 86 so was averaging 87 until he blossomed which you'd take at worst too.
Think 95+ is a close lock for him

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« Reply #439 on: March 17, 2019, 02:15:32 PM »

Call me crazy.. Heath Shaw anyone? Looking for a defender without the R13 bye, and I'm not v keen on Whitfield.

Let's look at the other options:

Z. Williams - Already have, lock.

M. Hurley - If not for Hooker injury he'd be in my team, but will probably play lock down early so not keen on a bunch of 70s. Upgrade target.

L. Ryan - Dreadful end to the year last season, JLT scores seem fine though. Seems an OK pick but less exciting than Shaw imo. Any red flags I'm missing?

Sicily, Laird & Simpson all too pricy. Not keen on mid-pricers.

Any other ideas? Tossing up between Hurley & Shaw at the moment, or finding the $$ for Laird but I feel his avg will drop this year.

Not crazy. The new kick in rules are perfect for him as well. He was always looking to play on anyway and get those cheap stats. Now he can just run off and start their counter attacks. People are probably seeing more upside in the Witherden types. One I'll look ay as we get closer to round 1 but I see the upside in the pick
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« Reply #440 on: March 17, 2019, 02:51:47 PM »

I'm right into Heater, had a poor year last year compared to his usual, but he's got a good history and he's not cooked like everyone seems to think he is. He'll average at least 90 and be a good POD.
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« Reply #441 on: March 17, 2019, 02:53:53 PM »

would consider if had a round 12 bye same with Simmo

cant have Shaw, Williams and Laird etc
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« Reply #442 on: March 17, 2019, 03:03:01 PM »

would consider if had a round 12 bye same with Simmo

cant have Shaw, Williams and Laird etc
Rather that than R13 bye along with Gawn, Grundy, Danger & Heeney
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« Reply #443 on: March 17, 2019, 03:51:46 PM »

I've just popped Crisp into defence, looking really good!

His biggest concern is his disposal efficiency, but feel he should easily go 95+..

Join the club mate. After Round 7 his uptick in ball use went through the roof and I'm unsure why but scores read

119, 112, 97, 115, 110, 117, 92, 95, 106, 64, 71, 107, 111, 83, 104

9/15 tons, 5 over 110 plus scores of 83,92,95,97 so only two stinkers in 64 and 71. Scored a 153 in the Prelim Final v Tiges too.
Pretty strong model of consistency.

His first 7 scores read 87, 71, 128, 78, 65, 89, 86 so was averaging 87 until he blossomed which you'd take at worst too.
Think 95+ is a close lock for him

Crisps averaged 91 ppg with Sam Murray in the team, and 101 ppg when Murray did not play. That's why his scoring rose and why I'm super confident in Crisp this year.
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« Reply #444 on: March 17, 2019, 04:01:32 PM »

I've just popped Crisp into defence, looking really good!

His biggest concern is his disposal efficiency, but feel he should easily go 95+..

Join the club mate. After Round 7 his uptick in ball use went through the roof and I'm unsure why but scores read

119, 112, 97, 115, 110, 117, 92, 95, 106, 64, 71, 107, 111, 83, 104

9/15 tons, 5 over 110 plus scores of 83,92,95,97 so only two stinkers in 64 and 71. Scored a 153 in the Prelim Final v Tiges too.
Pretty strong model of consistency.

His first 7 scores read 87, 71, 128, 78, 65, 89, 86 so was averaging 87 until he blossomed which you'd take at worst too.
Think 95+ is a close lock for him

Crisps averaged 91 ppg with Sam Murray in the team, and 101 ppg when Murray did not play. That's why his scoring rose and why I'm super confident in Crisp this year.

I was initially very worried about Crisps hip surgery in the preseason, but his ceiling is immense and his JLT form looks tight
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« Reply #445 on: March 17, 2019, 04:04:45 PM »

Call me crazy.. Heath Shaw anyone? Looking for a defender without the R13 bye, and I'm not v keen on Whitfield.

Let's look at the other options:

Z. Williams - Already have, lock.

M. Hurley - If not for Hooker injury he'd be in my team, but will probably play lock down early so not keen on a bunch of 70s. Upgrade target.

L. Ryan - Dreadful end to the year last season, JLT scores seem fine though. Seems an OK pick but less exciting than Shaw imo. Any red flags I'm missing?

Sicily, Laird & Simpson all too pricy. Not keen on mid-pricers.

Any other ideas? Tossing up between Hurley & Shaw at the moment, or finding the $$ for Laird but I feel his avg will drop this year.

Not crazy. The new kick in rules are perfect for him as well. He was always looking to play on anyway and get those cheap stats. Now he can just run off and start their counter attacks. People are probably seeing more upside in the Witherden types. One I'll look ay as we get closer to round 1 but I see the upside in the pick
he already plays on 100% of the time ;)
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« Reply #446 on: March 17, 2019, 04:09:44 PM »

he already plays on 100% of the time ;)

Ha! Not wrong at all. I do think Whitfield moving up the ground you might see Williams taking his share and didn't Finlayson move forward in JLT?

This was a nice little line from the kick in kings article

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The Giants will likely keep the same trio this year but if Whitfield heads back to the wing, and Finlayson can't re-establish himself in the side, Shaw will be the main man along with Zac Williams, who can play on and use his speed or hit up short targets. The new rules could see kick-focused Shaw become the first player to register 50 in a single game and there's little doubt he'll have his eyes on the record. -

I was initially very worried about Crisps hip surgery in the preseason, but his ceiling is immense and his JLT form looks tight

Same. Wasn't sure what his fitness base would be like but he played both JLT games and looked great against us. He is the other one at around 500k tempting me.
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« Reply #447 on: March 17, 2019, 04:22:56 PM »

would consider if had a round 12 bye same with Simmo

cant have Shaw, Williams and Laird etc
Rather that than R13 bye along with Gawn, Grundy, Danger & Heeney

well most ppl have atleast 2 mids from rnd 14 bye also
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« Reply #448 on: March 17, 2019, 04:31:18 PM »

Just going to break this down as well. An effective kick is worth about 4-6 points depending on the situation. Shaw was taking 39.6% of the kicks last year (84 total). Whitfield took 51 total kicks, Finlayson 57 and Corr 12. Williams comes in and takes some, but I see Finlayson, Whitfield and Corr's numbers dropping down for various reasons.

So lets say Shaw takes an extra 33 kicks, that sees him take a total of 55% of the teams kicks. He played on 48 times last year which was a whopping 57%. He takes a total of 117 kicks and plays on 60% of the time that gives him a total of 70.2 kicks that he plays on in the year. That is 22.2 more kicks on the season.

My math might get sketchy here, but at 4 points per kick it's 88.8 points, he will probably go at around 65% DE so that sees him increase his total score by 57.72 points on the season and 2.6 ppg if he plays all 22. It isn't all that much when you look at it in the long run.
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« Reply #449 on: March 17, 2019, 04:31:22 PM »

I've come to the conclusion that Laird, Sicily, Simmo and Whitfield aren't worth starting at their prices

Besides last year, Laird is traditionally a 95-100 defender so I'll just wait and see how Smith/Milera impact him and I'm sure he'll be cheaper eventually.

Sicily is the swing man so could be inconsistent, and Simmo is basically at max value too

I expect Whitfield to go high 90's, but his bye isn't ideal for me and I can't see him cranking out too many monster scores that will frustrate me not having him

Lloyd is the only expensive guy I like because I can't see any reason why his role/output will change, but I just can't afford him because I rate the 600k+ mids/ruck ahead of him

That leaves Hurn and Crisp vying for my D1 spot, as I think they should match their recent history which makes them good value for money, and they have decent ceilings too. Currently gone with Crisp D1
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