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« Reply #2325 on: June 23, 2015, 08:01:40 PM »

This all looks good on paper, but there are way more variables that aren't being mentioned. Like he uses the weakeness of the east as part of the FOR argument but fails to use anything to do with the west because it would weaken his own argument. This is just one example. The Forbes I am writing pretty much off. I can find a number of articles that supports awful and untrue claims as well.( not saying this is out there but this wasn't a top 10 season of all time)

SB Nation is just an opinion piece and uses nothing but his own conclusions.
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« Reply #2326 on: June 23, 2015, 08:10:06 PM »

for instance

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/509984-kobe-bryant-why-hes-already-better-than-michael-jordan/page/2

Why Kobe is better than Jordan.
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« Reply #2327 on: June 23, 2015, 09:01:35 PM »

I just realise I didn't look the Forbes article from the first page, I might fix that

Pretty much what I found relevant from the SB Nation article was this

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Golden State won 67 regular-season games and had one of the eight-best point differentials of all time. They lost just seven times with their full roster healthy in the regular season, an amazing accomplishment in an era where talent is spread so evenly through the league. They had the league's MVP in Stephen Curry and reasonably could also have won Defensive Player of the Year (Draymond Green), Coach of the Year (Steve Kerr), Most Improved (Klay Thompson) and Sixth Man of the Year (Andre Iguodala).

They then blew through the playoffs, going 16-5 with a net point differential matched only by three other champions since 1997. They never faced elimination, something LeBron's Heat, the Big 3 Celtics, last year's amazing Spurs and four of Kobe Bryant's five champion Lakers clubs can't say. When the Warriors twice faced 2-1 deficits, they made bold adjustments that led to three straight comfortable victories.

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« Reply #2328 on: June 23, 2015, 09:18:23 PM »

Again its full of smart use of stats in context like this

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They lost just seven times with their full roster healthy in the regular season

If this, if that. Cavs had no roster come finals. You can't use this as a metric of measuring how great a team is.

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They then blew through the playoffs, going 16-5 with a net point differential matched only by three other champions since 1997

You wonder why he chose 1997? I would like to bet because if he used since 1980, it would've been a number that didn't sound too promising.

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They never faced elimination, something LeBron's Heat, the Big 3 Celtics, last year's amazing Spurs and four of Kobe Bryant's five champion Lakers clubs can't say. When the Warriors twice faced 2-1 deficits, they made bold adjustments that led to three straight comfortable victories.

Again, it's something that doesn't even matter. You think the way they measure teams is in how many times they have faced elimination? Ofcourse not...
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« Reply #2329 on: June 23, 2015, 09:46:13 PM »

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If this, if that. Cavs had no roster come finals. You can't use this as a metric of measuring how great a team is.

If your best team lost a total of 7 games for the year that is damn impressive. It shows they beat the majority of the competition this year which is relevant.

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You wonder why he chose 1997? I would like to bet because if he used since 1980, it would've been a number that didn't sound too promising.

A 20 year span is pretty big time frame. It's still not the stat I was talking about, but again relevant for the sample space

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Again, it's something that doesn't even matter. You think the way they measure teams is in how many times they have faced elimination? Ofcourse not...

It just shows again how dominant they were. The fact that they didn't face elimination once is again pretty damn impressive.

I'll get the articles/stats tomorrow. It might take some time since the guy is in the USA
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« Reply #2330 on: June 24, 2015, 04:05:52 PM »



http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/1/22/7871213/golden-state-warriors-record-point-differential-history

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-best-nba-teams-of-all-time-according-to-elo/

There was a bar graph he is trying to find me

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The other things were more simplistic views (right around too offense and too defense, +10 point differential, total season wins, total road wins, 3rd most wins in a season counting playoffs, etc)

On the table in the SB Nation article one of the Bucks or Lakers had to lose because they played each other.
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« Reply #2331 on: June 24, 2015, 07:20:03 PM »

Lol. Elo system for teams is terrible. This has been proved over and over. It is fantastic for individual sports and games, but terrible for anything related to a team sport/event.

Can go into detail if need be. ( dont mean to d!ck measure or flop it around but statistics are my thing)

SB nation article  is midway through the season btw.
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« Reply #2332 on: June 24, 2015, 09:06:40 PM »

SB nation article  is midway through the season btw.

Yup but they were they kept up the numbers.


TEAM   RECORD   DIFFERENTIAL   RESULT
1971-72 Lakers   69-13   +12.28   Champion
1970-71 Bucks   66-16   +12.26   Champion
1995-96 Bulls   72-10   +12.24   Champion
2014-15 Warriors   34-6   +11.30   ???
1971-72 Bucks   63-19   +11.16   Lost West Finals
1996-97 Bulls   69-13   +10.80   Champion
1991-92 Bulls   67-15   +10.44   Champion
2007-08 Celtics   66-16   +10.26   Champion

They finished with a 10.1 differential and a record of 67-15


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