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« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2014, 10:08:30 PM »

Must of had a decent amount of grog or substance to do something so stupid. I mean that could cost him his career
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« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2014, 10:25:17 PM »

really???

Wow... that's low. Doesnt seem like something an AFL player would do. Maybe retaliate if provoked. But this is just odd...
hahahahahaha you're joking right

Heuskes, Cousins, Daw (still under investigation), Milne, Jones, King (only consorting), Didak, Sylvia, Heath Shaw, Beams (wasn't charged), Kerr (wasn't charged, however, inferences can be drawn to his cocaine use by the trial of a known Perth dealer; there were roughly 8 other West Coke Eagles as well (Cox stated but didn't identify), Cappa, Carey, rumour pointing to Christensen, Jurrah et al.

I'm not impugning all AFL players integrity both legally & morally, far from it, but I don't think we should be surprised when the reckless minority do something wrong (just like almost every other high publicity profession). Remember the player is only under investigation, nothing conclusive until the magistrate's decree     

There's a difference between recreational drug use and physically assaulting/stealing though.

You can take out the rumours/ongoing allegations for people like Daw, Milne, Christensen etc.

Shaw and Didak just got caught being idiots and Carey/Capper is taking it back a long way.


In modern era football, this sort of stuff is a lot rarer
Yeah I was only speaking in the general sense, this is incredibly rare. I heard of the incidents with Robinson & Garlett but I'm pretty sure it was a hot blooded affray, considering the amount of attention this story is getting I wouldn't be surprised if it was a cold blooded assault. This stuff is quite normal though in the course of life, Rugby league players are a good step above AFL players in terms of reprehensible conduct (AFL usually is something like the Kim Duthie scandal), at least neither sports have reached the levels of American sports where there are a number of NFL players, each year going to prison, and every now and then a murder charge. However, they are 15 times bigger than Australia and have a lot more problems compared to us. I'd say the nature of the attack was surprising because I thought it was going to be a well-known player, there's really nothing significant about this case but the victim's retribution, Durmont is still a relatively unknown player so if it progresses further I'll just view it as another robbery.

Is a shame though, the AFL has really gone through great lengths to clean up their act  :-\ If it concludes the way we can all assume, nothing more than assume though, I think they should terminate his contract. However, he still is entitled to a presumption of innocence until the State can prove his guilt beyond reasonable doubt so I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens   
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« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2014, 11:54:38 AM »

really???

Wow... that's low. Doesnt seem like something an AFL player would do. Maybe retaliate if provoked. But this is just odd...
hahahahahaha you're joking right

Heuskes, Cousins, Daw (still under investigation), Milne, Jones, King (only consorting), Didak, Sylvia, Heath Shaw, Beams (wasn't charged), Kerr (wasn't charged, however, inferences can be drawn to his cocaine use by the trial of a known Perth dealer; there were roughly 8 other West Coke Eagles as well (Cox stated but didn't identify), Cappa, Carey, rumour pointing to Christensen, Jurrah et al.

I'm not impugning all AFL players integrity both legally & morally, far from it, but I don't think we should be surprised when the reckless minority do something wrong (just like almost every other high publicity profession). Remember the player is only under investigation, nothing conclusive until the magistrate's decree     

There's a difference between recreational drug use and physically assaulting/stealing though.

You can take out the rumours/ongoing allegations for people like Daw, Milne, Christensen etc.

Shaw and Didak just got caught being idiots and Carey/Capper is taking it back a long way.


In modern era football, this sort of stuff is a lot rarer

Spot on... You're completely taking what i said out on context Power...

Drugs and getting up to mischief... yes.. i can see why.

Stealing 100 bucks and assaulting a taxi driver... Not so much the same as getting on another planet with the "special stuff".
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« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2014, 11:22:38 AM »

really???

Wow... that's low. Doesnt seem like something an AFL player would do. Maybe retaliate if provoked. But this is just odd...
hahahahahaha you're joking right

Heuskes, Cousins, Daw (still under investigation), Milne, Jones, King (only consorting), Didak, Sylvia, Heath Shaw, Beams (wasn't charged), Kerr (wasn't charged, however, inferences can be drawn to his cocaine use by the trial of a known Perth dealer; there were roughly 8 other West Coke Eagles as well (Cox stated but didn't identify), Cappa, Carey, rumour pointing to Christensen, Jurrah et al.

I'm not impugning all AFL players integrity both legally & morally, far from it, but I don't think we should be surprised when the reckless minority do something wrong (just like almost every other high publicity profession). Remember the player is only under investigation, nothing conclusive until the magistrate's decree     

There's a difference between recreational drug use and physically assaulting/stealing though.

You can take out the rumours/ongoing allegations for people like Daw, Milne, Christensen etc.

Shaw and Didak just got caught being idiots and Carey/Capper is taking it back a long way.


In modern era football, this sort of stuff is a lot rarer

Spot on... You're completely taking what i said out on context Power...

Drugs and getting up to mischief... yes.. i can see why.

Stealing 100 bucks and assaulting a taxi driver... Not so much the same as getting on another planet with the "special stuff".
Surely you have to admit assault & affray are quite common amongst a lot of athletes, even AFL players. Even the former pig was charged with affray. The only difference in this case is there was a combination of stealing and violence classifying it as a robbery, which as far as I know is a first in the AFL. All I was saying is it isn't surprising, in any highly publicised profession, when something morally or legally reprehensible occurs because of the publicity. But with over 2 cases per year, any rebuke-able conduct can be considered and I'd still say among the AFL cases this is on the more extreme side of the spectrum, however, it is not one of the most extreme cases (surely you can't think robbery outweigh sexual intercourse without consent or intention to cause grievous bodily harm). The act of robbery itself "doesn't seem like something an AFL player would do" because this is unprecedented, however, illegal conduct does (I'm just viewing it in the wider context). Despite this, I don't think it's something we should really be concerned about, the kid never played a game at AFL level so I don't see any significant reason why the Roos need him. They are already a strong team, they don't need any negative attention circulating around their players 
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« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2014, 12:11:42 PM »

really???

Wow... that's low. Doesnt seem like something an AFL player would do. Maybe retaliate if provoked. But this is just odd...
hahahahahaha you're joking right

Heuskes, Cousins, Daw (still under investigation), Milne, Jones, King (only consorting), Didak, Sylvia, Heath Shaw, Beams (wasn't charged), Kerr (wasn't charged, however, inferences can be drawn to his cocaine use by the trial of a known Perth dealer; there were roughly 8 other West Coke Eagles as well (Cox stated but didn't identify), Cappa, Carey, rumour pointing to Christensen, Jurrah et al.

I'm not impugning all AFL players integrity both legally & morally, far from it, but I don't think we should be surprised when the reckless minority do something wrong (just like almost every other high publicity profession). Remember the player is only under investigation, nothing conclusive until the magistrate's decree     

There's a difference between recreational drug use and physically assaulting/stealing though.

You can take out the rumours/ongoing allegations for people like Daw, Milne, Christensen etc.

Shaw and Didak just got caught being idiots and Carey/Capper is taking it back a long way.


In modern era football, this sort of stuff is a lot rarer

Spot on... You're completely taking what i said out on context Power...

Drugs and getting up to mischief... yes.. i can see why.

Stealing 100 bucks and assaulting a taxi driver... Not so much the same as getting on another planet with the "special stuff".
Surely you have to admit assault & affray are quite common amongst a lot of athletes, even AFL players. Even the former pig was charged with affray. The only difference in this case is there was a combination of stealing and violence classifying it as a robbery, which as far as I know is a first in the AFL. All I was saying is it isn't surprising, in any highly publicised profession, when something morally or legally reprehensible occurs because of the publicity. But with over 2 cases per year, any rebuke-able conduct can be considered and I'd still say among the AFL cases this is on the more extreme side of the spectrum, however, it is not one of the most extreme cases (surely you can't think robbery outweigh sexual intercourse without consent or intention to cause grievous bodily harm). The act of robbery itself "doesn't seem like something an AFL player would do" because this is unprecedented, however, illegal conduct does (I'm just viewing it in the wider context). Despite this, I don't think it's something we should really be concerned about, the kid never played a game at AFL level so I don't see any significant reason why the Roos need him. They are already a strong team, they don't need any negative attention circulating around their players

Yeah true that. Young fellas with big bank accounts and getting a of attention = trouble bound to happen.

But this kid is little dero should be delisted i reckon. #rebelwithoutacause
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« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2014, 06:39:25 PM »

really???

Wow... that's low. Doesnt seem like something an AFL player would do. Maybe retaliate if provoked. But this is just odd...
hahahahahaha you're joking right

Heuskes, Cousins, Daw (still under investigation), Milne, Jones, King (only consorting), Didak, Sylvia, Heath Shaw, Beams (wasn't charged), Kerr (wasn't charged, however, inferences can be drawn to his cocaine use by the trial of a known Perth dealer; there were roughly 8 other West Coke Eagles as well (Cox stated but didn't identify), Cappa, Carey, rumour pointing to Christensen, Jurrah et al.

I'm not impugning all AFL players integrity both legally & morally, far from it, but I don't think we should be surprised when the reckless minority do something wrong (just like almost every other high publicity profession). Remember the player is only under investigation, nothing conclusive until the magistrate's decree     

There's a difference between recreational drug use and physically assaulting/stealing though.

You can take out the rumours/ongoing allegations for people like Daw, Milne, Christensen etc.

Shaw and Didak just got caught being idiots and Carey/Capper is taking it back a long way.


In modern era football, this sort of stuff is a lot rarer

Spot on... You're completely taking what i said out on context Power...

Drugs and getting up to mischief... yes.. i can see why.

Stealing 100 bucks and assaulting a taxi driver... Not so much the same as getting on another planet with the "special stuff".
Surely you have to admit assault & affray are quite common amongst a lot of athletes, even AFL players. Even the former pig was charged with affray. The only difference in this case is there was a combination of stealing and violence classifying it as a robbery, which as far as I know is a first in the AFL. All I was saying is it isn't surprising, in any highly publicised profession, when something morally or legally reprehensible occurs because of the publicity. But with over 2 cases per year, any rebuke-able conduct can be considered and I'd still say among the AFL cases this is on the more extreme side of the spectrum, however, it is not one of the most extreme cases (surely you can't think robbery outweigh sexual intercourse without consent or intention to cause grievous bodily harm). The act of robbery itself "doesn't seem like something an AFL player would do" because this is unprecedented, however, illegal conduct does (I'm just viewing it in the wider context). Despite this, I don't think it's something we should really be concerned about, the kid never played a game at AFL level so I don't see any significant reason why the Roos need him. They are already a strong team, they don't need any negative attention circulating around their players

Yeah true that. Young fellas with big bank accounts and getting a of attention = trouble bound to happen.

But this kid is little dero should be delisted i reckon. #rebelwithoutacause
I agree with the delistment, pending a trial, I thought he was a dero, in the picture he does look like a dero, but in an interview I watched on youtube (after the incident, expecting a person with the vocabulary of Heath Shaw) he seemed very nice and well-mannered. Of course this is an interview filmed and uploaded by the North Melbourne Football Club so it would be in their best interests to do whatever they can to make it appear that way. Furthermore, a well-mannered 18yo doesn't rob an innocent taxi driver. But I was quite surprised, my guess would be intoxication, or he now has some mentality that he's entitled to do as he wishes now that he's an AFL player (although he hasn't even played a game at AFL level). Just would really like to hear the whole story because if the interview was an accurate demonstration of how he regularly comports himself, I think it will be very interesting to hear what happened on that night. If his interviews are just a facade I could not care less though hahahahaha

Here was the interview I watched (he seems like an okay kid in this):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfnLszojMc8
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« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2014, 11:08:28 PM »

Why would North delist him?  So he goes and has a ripping year in the SANFL in 2015 and then gets drafted the following year by another club.  What if Geelong had have booted Stevie in early 2007, didn't he win the Norm Smith Medal later that year.  Did Collingwood not give Andrew Krakouer a second chance after doing time inside, he played in a grand final in 2011 and from what I saw, played some very good football.   

Trent Dumont is a big part of the long term future of the club, and in line for a senior berth early in 2015.  He should be told to go and train his backside off, and earn back the respect of the playing group and the coaching staff.  He should be told that there will be no debut game in Round 1, but if he really works hard, then maybe by Round 10 if his form warrants it , the club can re-consider whether he can be in line for senior selection. 

It's one mistake made by a young bloke while on the booze, which will be dealt with by the courts.  It's how Trent Dumont handles it from here on.  He's a potential 10 year player.  To steal a line from Denis Pagan, you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.  I would be very surprized if Brad Scott has not had a very stern chat with him, and if that was the case, hopefully Trent was doing all of the listening.  His mentor is Nick Dal Santo, so hopefully Dal has told him what it takes to be a professional footballer.  The young man can't erase what has happened, but it's about what Trent does from here on that's important.   
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« Reply #37 on: October 31, 2014, 11:47:32 AM »

Why would North delist him?  So he goes and has a ripping year in the SANFL in 2015 and then gets drafted the following year by another club.  What if Geelong had have booted Stevie in early 2007, didn't he win the Norm Smith Medal later that year.  Did Collingwood not give Andrew Krakouer a second chance after doing time inside, he played in a grand final in 2011 and from what I saw, played some very good football.   

Trent Dumont is a big part of the long term future of the club, and in line for a senior berth early in 2015.  He should be told to go and train his backside off, and earn back the respect of the playing group and the coaching staff.  He should be told that there will be no debut game in Round 1, but if he really works hard, then maybe by Round 10 if his form warrants it , the club can re-consider whether he can be in line for senior selection. 

It's one mistake made by a young bloke while on the booze, which will be dealt with by the courts.  It's how Trent Dumont handles it from here on.  He's a potential 10 year player.  To steal a line from Denis Pagan, you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.  I would be very surprized if Brad Scott has not had a very stern chat with him, and if that was the case, hopefully Trent was doing all of the listening.  His mentor is Nick Dal Santo, so hopefully Dal has told him what it takes to be a professional footballer.  The young man can't erase what has happened, but it's about what Trent does from here on that's important.
Robbery is a crime (sentence can exceed two years). The main point is if he is charged and convicted, North won't have to delist him...
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« Reply #38 on: October 31, 2014, 01:05:35 PM »

Yeah there's a distinct difference to being a nuisance, i.e. Franklin crashing a car, Steve Johnson walking around drunk to actually assaulting and stealing from people
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« Reply #39 on: October 31, 2014, 01:07:11 PM »

North won't delist him. Club's go the "we'll help the kid get through it" player welfare path.
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« Reply #40 on: October 31, 2014, 01:17:36 PM »

It annoys me a bit because in pretty much any other job he'd get fired immediately if he got charged/convicted
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« Reply #41 on: October 31, 2014, 01:18:19 PM »

It annoys me a bit because in pretty much any other job he'd get fired immediately if he got charged/convicted
Couldn't agree more.
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« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2014, 02:42:41 PM »

North won't delist him. Club's go the "we'll help the kid get through it" player welfare path.

Pull the same thing we are pulling with Murray Newman currently..

Some of these guys need to realize how lucky they are.
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« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2014, 08:48:43 PM »

Very lucky boy considering 8 of his mates got delisted today
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« Reply #44 on: October 31, 2014, 09:09:05 PM »

Why would North delist him?  So he goes and has a ripping year in the SANFL in 2015 and then gets drafted the following year by another club.  What if Geelong had have booted Stevie in early 2007, didn't he win the Norm Smith Medal later that year.  Did Collingwood not give Andrew Krakouer a second chance after doing time inside, he played in a grand final in 2011 and from what I saw, played some very good football.   

Trent Dumont is a big part of the long term future of the club, and in line for a senior berth early in 2015.  He should be told to go and train his backside off, and earn back the respect of the playing group and the coaching staff.  He should be told that there will be no debut game in Round 1, but if he really works hard, then maybe by Round 10 if his form warrants it , the club can re-consider whether he can be in line for senior selection. 

It's one mistake made by a young bloke while on the booze, which will be dealt with by the courts.  It's how Trent Dumont handles it from here on.  He's a potential 10 year player.  To steal a line from Denis Pagan, you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.  I would be very surprized if Brad Scott has not had a very stern chat with him, and if that was the case, hopefully Trent was doing all of the listening.  His mentor is Nick Dal Santo, so hopefully Dal has told him what it takes to be a professional footballer.  The young man can't erase what has happened, but it's about what Trent does from here on that's important.
Robbery is a crime (sentence can exceed two years). The main point is if he is charged and convicted, North won't have to delist him...
He's been charged and bailed to appear, but I'm not sure if he will do 2 years under our current judicial system.  Perhaps a CBO.

Murray Newman I believe is still on West Coasts list.

Marley Williams looks to be an important part of Collingwoods future.   
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